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Speaker 2: Mom and Mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome

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Speaker 2: to canceled the podcast that looks silly celebrity crimes and

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Speaker 2: assigns charges and sentences to them so we can all

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Speaker 2: move on with our lives. I'm Plus Stephens and I'm

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Speaker 2: Jesse Stephens, and today we needed to talk about the

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Speaker 2: drama around it ends with us.

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Speaker 3: We all have an idea of what life can be.

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Speaker 2: I want to see you again. Now you see me.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: That special connection you feel, that first kiss for fifteen seconds,

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Speaker 3: that's whole it teakes.

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Speaker 2: To completely change everything. A disclaimer, we have not yet

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Speaker 2: seen the movie. I think that's the point because the

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Speaker 2: culture hasn't seen it, but the culture has feelings. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and as Blake Lively says, we'll get our florals, grab

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Speaker 2: our girlfriends and go see a movie that's about domestic violence.

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Speaker 2: We'll do that. But it's actually not crucial for us

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Speaker 2: to have seen the movie in order to talk about

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Speaker 2: all the drama around it. I will say, though it's

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Speaker 2: a lot of controversy for what is by all accounts

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Speaker 2: and average film. I heard people compare it to the

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Speaker 2: Lifetime movie. I thought that sounds lovely. No, No, it's

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Speaker 2: like apparently quite bad because it's like, okay, so you've

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Speaker 2: got the source material. The book's terrible, Claire, you can't

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Speaker 2: be saying the book's terrible. I couldn't get through it.

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Speaker 2: I read a few pages. Oh, so you try to

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Speaker 2: read it. I think you're gonna upset a lot of

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Speaker 2: people by saying the books. I don't think anyone thinks

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Speaker 2: it's a literary feat. I don't so you make a

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Speaker 2: movie out of that book. But it's like fifty Shades.

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Speaker 2: I loved fifty Shades. Loved the book, Yeah, loved the films.

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Speaker 2: Would do any other medium you wanted to explore it,

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Speaker 2: an interpretive dance, I would be first in line. True

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Speaker 2: and unlike when other people say it's bad, Oh, I

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Speaker 2: think it's okay to say that it's bad. Okay, we

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Speaker 2: can enjoy things that are bad. That's what most of

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Speaker 2: this podcast is about. But the quality of it doesn't

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Speaker 2: really matter because it's a box office hit, and it

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Speaker 2: made over one hundred million dollars at the global box

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Speaker 2: office during its first week in theaters. Some context. It

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Speaker 2: Ends with Us is a movie based on the best

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Speaker 2: selling book of the same name by Colleen Hoover. It's

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Speaker 2: called It Ends with Us, but then the sea call

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Speaker 2: is it starts with Us. I have It starts with

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Speaker 2: an editor. I think I gave you that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Why would you give me the second? Because I didn't

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Speaker 2: know it was the second? Okay, it tells the story

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Speaker 2: of Lily Bloom. You know what it's like, what it's like.

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Speaker 2: When I turned thirteen or fourteen, Mom wanted to encourage reading.

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Speaker 2: who is Harry A lot of knowledge and then it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the story of Lily Bloom. Let's just pause on that character.

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Speaker 2: She's a florist. But I know that Lily Bloom is

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Speaker 2: by Justin Baldoni from Jane the Vergin, who also directed

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Speaker 2: they say, divide. If you and I were promoting canceled,

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Speaker 2: promote with your co stars. Yes. Then there's Instagram. Blake

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Speaker 2: If I if I was in a courtroom and I've

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Speaker 2: following him. Speaking to us weekly a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: This creative struggle set the tone for the negative experience

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Speaker 2: I know it's hard when you and I have unfollowed

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, it's fake. I don't unfollow anyone.

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Speaker 2: there's an unfollowing. I assume we'll get to yes. Well,

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Speaker 2: the questions are why is everyone fighting? Whose fault is it?

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Speaker 2: My structure for today is as follows. Now, this is

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Speaker 2: an interesting structure because we've got headings and subheadings heading

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Speaker 2: Justin Valdoni, subheadings who are you? Why are people mad

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Speaker 2: What have you said? Heading backlively? Subheadings, uncomfortable interviews, cross promo?

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Speaker 2: Did we need to do cross promo? I have seen

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Speaker 2: version all right, Jesse, you watched three episodes. You didn't

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Speaker 2: think this looks like an absolute We need to know

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Speaker 2: The Sprouse twins played the kid in Big Daddy. Was cute. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Man Enough Podcast, which explores what it means to be

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Speaker 2: think that happens on a lot of projects. What's interesting

421
00:23:04,709 --> 00:23:08,989
Speaker 2: to me is that they could not resolve resolve them

422
00:23:09,269 --> 00:23:12,469
Speaker 2: even to the point of being able to sit next street. Yeah. Yeah.

423
00:23:12,629 --> 00:23:24,789
Speaker 2: Moving on to Blake Lively, it goes without saying that

424
00:23:24,829 --> 00:23:27,629
Speaker 2: Blake Lively is an actor known for Sisterhood of the

425
00:23:27,629 --> 00:23:30,389
Speaker 2: Traveling Pants and Gossip Girl and The Town and the

426
00:23:30,389 --> 00:23:33,269
Speaker 2: Town and the Shark One, which was one of my favorites,

427
00:23:33,509 --> 00:23:36,149
Speaker 2: The Shallows. I have seen it more than once. Yeah. Yeah, No,

428
00:23:36,269 --> 00:23:38,549
Speaker 2: that was a great because she's on a rock and

429
00:23:39,149 --> 00:23:42,269
Speaker 2: that's the The shark is what can only be described

430
00:23:42,309 --> 00:23:46,109
Speaker 2: as stalking her, as we know sharks do, yeah, waiting

431
00:23:46,709 --> 00:23:51,149
Speaker 2: waiting for her to fall in to swim back. She's isolated.

432
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:54,549
Speaker 2: Now the shark does have the taste of blood on

433
00:23:54,629 --> 00:23:58,469
Speaker 2: its tongue, and then I think there's an incident with

434
00:23:58,549 --> 00:24:02,589
Speaker 2: a seagull. It's honestly the real of her best work. Yeah, no,

435
00:24:02,629 --> 00:24:07,389
Speaker 2: it is. It's fantastic. Yeah, the shark is really the villain. Okay,

436
00:24:07,509 --> 00:24:10,549
Speaker 2: the villain. Yeah. She is a fashion icon and it's

437
00:24:10,629 --> 00:24:12,389
Speaker 2: married to Ryan Reynolds, and she's a bit of a

438
00:24:12,429 --> 00:24:16,549
Speaker 2: business mogul. Is she She had Betty's Buzz, which was

439
00:24:16,589 --> 00:24:20,189
Speaker 2: like a kind of soda company, and now that's Betty's

440
00:24:20,189 --> 00:24:24,429
Speaker 2: Booth and we'll get to that. Okay, okay, because that's

441
00:24:24,469 --> 00:24:27,469
Speaker 2: interesting that she's got a soda company because Scarlett Johansson,

442
00:24:27,509 --> 00:24:33,029
Speaker 2: who is Ryan Reynolds's also was into fizzy waters. And

443
00:24:33,109 --> 00:24:35,429
Speaker 2: you know you've been doing this podcast. She was into

444
00:24:35,429 --> 00:24:38,549
Speaker 2: fizzy water because remember she chose it over charity. You

445
00:24:38,589 --> 00:24:42,389
Speaker 2: can hear that now episode about Scarlett Johansson. Okay, that's

446
00:24:42,389 --> 00:24:45,069
Speaker 2: a weird amount of knowledge. Okay. When it comes to

447
00:24:45,109 --> 00:24:49,149
Speaker 2: promo for It Ends with Us, Blake Lively is having

448
00:24:49,229 --> 00:24:56,389
Speaker 2: a bloody choka okay now uncomfortable interviews. In an Instagram

449
00:24:56,469 --> 00:24:59,229
Speaker 2: video promoting It Ends with Us, Lively says, it ends

450
00:24:59,229 --> 00:25:02,869
Speaker 2: with us is in theaters now, so it's not funny.

451
00:25:02,909 --> 00:25:05,389
Speaker 2: So grab your friends. Were your urals and head out

452
00:25:05,389 --> 00:25:07,069
Speaker 2: to see it in theaters now?

453
00:25:07,149 --> 00:25:09,549
Speaker 6: So grab your friends, where are your florals?

454
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:10,789
Speaker 3: And to see it.

455
00:25:10,949 --> 00:25:13,709
Speaker 2: I don't see a problem with that. People thought that

456
00:25:13,829 --> 00:25:18,029
Speaker 2: was the only man. I'm only laughing because of the

457
00:25:18,109 --> 00:25:22,509
Speaker 2: tiktoks that have come since. I'm actually laughing because pajamas

458
00:25:22,509 --> 00:25:26,189
Speaker 2: and they're like, put on your pajamas, come and see

459
00:25:26,229 --> 00:25:26,829
Speaker 2: this movie.

460
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:27,229
Speaker 1: Yeah.

461
00:25:27,309 --> 00:25:30,109
Speaker 2: They did one fishing Lier's list and I was like, okay, right,

462
00:25:30,189 --> 00:25:33,389
Speaker 2: all right, I get it. Yeah there, which I think

463
00:25:33,389 --> 00:25:36,949
Speaker 2: it's worth noting that, like we really don't analyze that much.

464
00:25:37,189 --> 00:25:40,549
Speaker 2: It's like, look at Oppenheimer. They were like Barbieheimer and

465
00:25:40,589 --> 00:25:43,029
Speaker 2: I was like, they nearly blew up the world. That's

466
00:25:43,069 --> 00:25:46,469
Speaker 2: what that film is about. Y impending I killed a

467
00:25:46,469 --> 00:25:49,669
Speaker 2: lot of people. Yeah, which they I loved that film.

468
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:53,189
Speaker 2: But wow did they skirt over Hiroshima? Yeah? Yeah, you

469
00:25:53,189 --> 00:25:56,829
Speaker 2: didn't look at Killian Murphy and think, oh, why is

470
00:25:56,869 --> 00:26:00,309
Speaker 2: he telling jokes when he's playing a guy who did Hiroshima.

471
00:26:00,349 --> 00:26:03,349
Speaker 2: It wasn't the whole promo how hot he was. Yeah,

472
00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:07,189
Speaker 2: and they were like Barbieheimer. Yeah, I was like no, literally,

473
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:11,509
Speaker 2: like still in the universe, they're Michols. This was not

474
00:26:11,549 --> 00:26:14,069
Speaker 2: a good thing. So it's just a sympathetic take on

475
00:26:14,109 --> 00:26:16,189
Speaker 2: the man who invented the nuclear bomb if you really

476
00:26:16,269 --> 00:26:18,629
Speaker 2: think about it. Yeah, And I just think standards very

477
00:26:18,629 --> 00:26:22,029
Speaker 2: different for stories told by women versus stories told by men.

478
00:26:22,109 --> 00:26:25,229
Speaker 2: But anyway, people thought the whole Floral thing was a

479
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:30,709
Speaker 2: bit insensitive considering its movie about domestic violence. Now I

480
00:26:30,829 --> 00:26:34,829
Speaker 2: understand she's in a tricky spot because she clearly she's like,

481
00:26:35,509 --> 00:26:38,869
Speaker 2: I get the subject matter of what we've made, but

482
00:26:39,189 --> 00:26:41,029
Speaker 2: I want people to go to the movies and see it.

483
00:26:41,109 --> 00:26:43,509
Speaker 2: So it needs to be a fun summer flick. Yeah,

484
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:46,469
Speaker 2: and the genre of it ends with us. The book

485
00:26:47,349 --> 00:26:51,469
Speaker 2: was almost marketed as like not a rom com because

486
00:26:51,469 --> 00:26:55,869
Speaker 2: it's not comedy but commercial women's fiction or yeah whatever,

487
00:26:55,909 --> 00:27:00,229
Speaker 2: It wasn't dark romance. That's not how very intentional in

488
00:27:00,309 --> 00:27:02,509
Speaker 2: terms of market if you look at the cover. Yeah,

489
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:04,109
Speaker 2: and I think you did that on purpose, because I

490
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:07,549
Speaker 2: think there's a clever analysis of the fact that getting

491
00:27:07,589 --> 00:27:10,349
Speaker 2: people in thinking it's a love story and then it

492
00:27:10,469 --> 00:27:14,269
Speaker 2: turning out to be something very different but domestic violence situations.

493
00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:17,189
Speaker 2: To think that people you meet a monster and they're

494
00:27:17,189 --> 00:27:21,029
Speaker 2: a monster immediately is not giving women enough credit. Like

495
00:27:21,189 --> 00:27:24,869
Speaker 2: often it does start as what feels like a romantic

496
00:27:25,229 --> 00:27:29,229
Speaker 2: love story and then it descends into something really sinister,

497
00:27:29,429 --> 00:27:32,189
Speaker 2: and that's the point of the film. I think it

498
00:27:32,629 --> 00:27:37,189
Speaker 2: was originally meant to come out on Valentine's Day, yeah,

499
00:27:37,229 --> 00:27:41,269
Speaker 2: and then right yeah. So I think that maybe that's

500
00:27:41,309 --> 00:27:43,029
Speaker 2: a little bit of a sign of some of the

501
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:46,589
Speaker 2: bubbling tension about how they were going to market and

502
00:27:46,629 --> 00:27:49,789
Speaker 2: sell this film, whether it was a fun, girly movie

503
00:27:50,069 --> 00:27:52,469
Speaker 2: or if it needed to be treated very differently because

504
00:27:52,509 --> 00:27:55,989
Speaker 2: of the subject matter. Now, Blake Lively has been criticized

505
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:59,189
Speaker 2: a lot for this particular interview.

506
00:27:59,429 --> 00:28:01,389
Speaker 4: Most of us, if we're lucky enough to run into

507
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:03,909
Speaker 4: a celebrity in public, we only have a few moments

508
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:05,709
Speaker 4: to maybe speak with you guys. But for people who

509
00:28:05,709 --> 00:28:07,869
Speaker 4: see this movie, who relate to the topics of this

510
00:28:07,949 --> 00:28:11,029
Speaker 4: movie on a deeply personal level, they're really going to

511
00:28:11,069 --> 00:28:12,429
Speaker 4: want to talk to you. This movie is going to

512
00:28:12,469 --> 00:28:14,269
Speaker 4: affect people, and they're going to want to tell you

513
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:18,069
Speaker 4: about their life. So if someone understands the themes of

514
00:28:18,109 --> 00:28:20,829
Speaker 4: this movie comes across you in public and they want

515
00:28:20,829 --> 00:28:22,709
Speaker 4: to really talk to you, what's the best way for

516
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:24,429
Speaker 4: them to be able to talk to you about this?

517
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:25,709
Speaker 4: How would you recommend they go about it?

518
00:28:25,749 --> 00:28:29,269
Speaker 6: Like asking for my address or my phone number, or.

519
00:28:29,189 --> 00:28:32,269
Speaker 4: Like my location share. I could just location share you

520
00:28:32,429 --> 00:28:37,029
Speaker 4: and then we could I'm just curs social security number.

521
00:28:37,629 --> 00:28:38,429
Speaker 4: I'm a virgos.

522
00:28:38,469 --> 00:28:40,069
Speaker 3: I'm like, are we telling logistics?

523
00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:41,309
Speaker 6: Are we talking emotionally?

524
00:28:41,389 --> 00:28:44,269
Speaker 2: All right? In black Liveley's defense, it's a weird question.

525
00:28:44,349 --> 00:28:46,749
Speaker 2: I could try and answer that question. Well, the question

526
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:48,589
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. And this is the thing. Has she

527
00:28:48,669 --> 00:28:52,029
Speaker 2: been snipping interviews? Yes, where the question is bad? Also, yes,

528
00:28:52,589 --> 00:28:55,709
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're trying to ask her? Too

529
00:28:55,829 --> 00:29:00,669
Speaker 2: many words? Write them down. I think that the correct answer,

530
00:29:00,749 --> 00:29:02,909
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's fair to watch an interview

531
00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:04,429
Speaker 2: and then say what the correct answer was. But the

532
00:29:04,469 --> 00:29:09,549
Speaker 2: correct answer was. Here are some great domestic violence help lines.

533
00:29:09,749 --> 00:29:12,269
Speaker 2: He's not what he asked, he didn't say. Where would

534
00:29:12,309 --> 00:29:14,829
Speaker 2: you tell them to go, he asked. He said, if

535
00:29:14,869 --> 00:29:18,509
Speaker 2: they approach you in public, yea, what would you say? Yeah,

536
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:22,069
Speaker 2: which I think is a gotcha because what are you

537
00:29:22,189 --> 00:29:24,389
Speaker 2: meant to say? I think you meant to say.

538
00:29:25,309 --> 00:29:25,429
Speaker 1: Oh.

539
00:29:25,469 --> 00:29:26,989
Speaker 2: I understand that a lot of people are going to

540
00:29:27,349 --> 00:29:30,549
Speaker 2: resonate with this film and just say like, I'm always

541
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:32,269
Speaker 2: happy to talk to people, blah blah blah, but there

542
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:35,269
Speaker 2: are some amazing services. Like a lot of these questions,

543
00:29:35,629 --> 00:29:37,549
Speaker 2: they're designed as a bit of a gotcha. Yes, But

544
00:29:37,629 --> 00:29:40,669
Speaker 2: I do think given the subject matter, I think maybe

545
00:29:40,749 --> 00:29:44,109
Speaker 2: having a default response. Have you seen the rest of

546
00:29:44,109 --> 00:29:48,269
Speaker 2: that interview? Because that clip that you just played has

547
00:29:48,309 --> 00:29:50,789
Speaker 2: been going viral. Yeah, and if you extend it, she

548
00:29:50,869 --> 00:29:53,469
Speaker 2: gives out exact answer okay, but no one shows you

549
00:29:53,549 --> 00:29:56,549
Speaker 2: that because that makes it look like she's like making

550
00:29:56,629 --> 00:30:01,389
Speaker 2: fun of the question. Domestic violence victims yeap, a response

551
00:30:01,469 --> 00:30:03,309
Speaker 2: she's given a few times is a bit of a

552
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:06,789
Speaker 2: diversion of the subject matter of the movie. At the

553
00:30:06,829 --> 00:30:10,429
Speaker 2: London premiere, she said, this movie covers domestic vie balance,

554
00:30:10,469 --> 00:30:12,469
Speaker 2: but what's important about this movie is that she's not

555
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:14,869
Speaker 2: just a survivor, and she's not just a victim. While

556
00:30:14,909 --> 00:30:18,349
Speaker 2: those are huge things, they're not her identity. She defines herself,

557
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:20,989
Speaker 2: and I think it's deeply empowering to remind people that

558
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:24,069
Speaker 2: no one can define you, no experience can define you.

559
00:30:24,069 --> 00:30:27,149
Speaker 2: You define yourself again. That is the kind of thing

560
00:30:27,509 --> 00:30:30,349
Speaker 2: that can be interpreted whichever way you want to interpret it,

561
00:30:30,509 --> 00:30:35,789
Speaker 2: depending on that. There are domestic violence survivors who have

562
00:30:35,789 --> 00:30:38,589
Speaker 2: said that they're upset by that. Really, yeah, that are like,

563
00:30:38,669 --> 00:30:41,789
Speaker 2: I didn't choose to be defined by this. Like basically,

564
00:30:42,029 --> 00:30:45,549
Speaker 2: depending on whether you're frustrated by her, whether you're not,

565
00:30:45,749 --> 00:30:49,989
Speaker 2: you can read it. It's a Rosa's test. Rasch ak yeah,

566
00:30:50,109 --> 00:30:52,069
Speaker 2: rauschak test. I can never say it, but they are

567
00:30:52,069 --> 00:30:55,949
Speaker 2: the tests where yea, they see a donkey, a penist, yeah,

568
00:30:55,989 --> 00:30:59,789
Speaker 2: depending on you, and a lot of people blake saying

569
00:30:59,829 --> 00:31:03,749
Speaker 2: a penis yeah, but I think you're a donkey. She's

570
00:31:04,109 --> 00:31:06,509
Speaker 2: worn a lot of florals, and at the New York

571
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:10,549
Speaker 2: premiere she wore a Vina name Is Blos wearing flows.

572
00:31:11,069 --> 00:31:15,189
Speaker 2: She a vintage Vasatchi gown that Britney Spears originally wore

573
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:17,789
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two. She told people at the

574
00:31:17,829 --> 00:31:21,389
Speaker 2: event it is Britney's actual dress and that it was

575
00:31:21,389 --> 00:31:24,349
Speaker 2: a direct nod to Britney Spears because her song every

576
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:27,349
Speaker 2: Time is in the movie. People have been a bit

577
00:31:27,389 --> 00:31:30,029
Speaker 2: snippy about that, like, oh, we're making it about Britney

578
00:31:30,069 --> 00:31:32,589
Speaker 2: Spears and how we love Britney Spears and her dresses

579
00:31:32,629 --> 00:31:34,349
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. One had to wear a dress,

580
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:36,069
Speaker 2: she had to wear a dress, she had to wear something.

581
00:31:36,109 --> 00:31:38,029
Speaker 2: She had to wear a dress with Floral. Her Name'szi Bloom.

582
00:31:38,069 --> 00:31:41,389
Speaker 2: She ye, yeah, it's only so many dresses with Floral's.

583
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:44,749
Speaker 2: One promotional clip has her giggling with her co stars

584
00:31:44,749 --> 00:31:48,669
Speaker 2: about zodiac signs. Another has her talking about wearing her

585
00:31:48,669 --> 00:31:53,389
Speaker 2: own clothes in the movie so she must exclusively yes,

586
00:31:54,029 --> 00:31:57,069
Speaker 2: and another has her talking about the music. Basically, her

587
00:31:57,109 --> 00:32:02,909
Speaker 2: interviews have been very very light in terms of the music.

588
00:32:03,109 --> 00:32:05,829
Speaker 2: She was asked about a Lana del Rey song that

589
00:32:05,869 --> 00:32:08,069
Speaker 2: plays in the film, and she says, they begged me

590
00:32:08,109 --> 00:32:09,909
Speaker 2: to take that song out of the movie. I like

591
00:32:09,949 --> 00:32:13,109
Speaker 2: the of the word they I'm not supposed to be

592
00:32:13,149 --> 00:32:15,669
Speaker 2: talking about this, but they felt like it was too

593
00:32:15,789 --> 00:32:17,989
Speaker 2: charged and heavy and things were still good with Ryle

594
00:32:17,989 --> 00:32:20,789
Speaker 2: at that point, And she goes on to explain why

595
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:23,389
Speaker 2: she thought it was a good choice, just interesting because

596
00:32:23,429 --> 00:32:26,829
Speaker 2: you can see the creative tensions. Yeah, because they is Justin.

597
00:32:27,309 --> 00:32:31,589
Speaker 2: It is and I blocked they on Instagram. Yeah, Blake,

598
00:32:31,629 --> 00:32:35,869
Speaker 2: we know. Yeah. Well, when she's asked directly about Baldoni,

599
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:39,309
Speaker 2: which she has been a few times, she deflects. For example,

600
00:32:39,629 --> 00:32:40,229
Speaker 2: Blake talk to.

601
00:32:40,269 --> 00:32:42,909
Speaker 4: Me about building trust with Justin, which I imagine would

602
00:32:42,909 --> 00:32:46,509
Speaker 4: be crucial when filming some of those more difficult personal scenes.

603
00:32:46,949 --> 00:32:47,189
Speaker 2: Yeah.

604
00:32:47,229 --> 00:32:50,469
Speaker 3: I mean, this movie was was such a challenge because

605
00:32:50,509 --> 00:32:52,669
Speaker 3: you know, you have the scenes that are you know,

606
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:56,949
Speaker 3: deeply painful and traumatic and physical, but you also have

607
00:32:57,069 --> 00:33:01,749
Speaker 3: scenes that are full of levity and light and romance.

608
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:04,349
Speaker 3: And normally when I see this type of character like

609
00:33:04,469 --> 00:33:07,909
Speaker 3: Ryle on screen, you know what's going to happen, and

610
00:33:07,949 --> 00:33:10,069
Speaker 3: you're like, ah, that guy's full of red flags.

611
00:33:10,309 --> 00:33:16,069
Speaker 2: But like, you know, so she doesn't acknowledge him at all.

612
00:33:16,189 --> 00:33:18,909
Speaker 2: Something that I have seen said about Blake Lively, which

613
00:33:18,949 --> 00:33:20,709
Speaker 2: is true. It is not a value judgment, but it

614
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:24,349
Speaker 2: is she likes to list things, so she likes to

615
00:33:24,349 --> 00:33:29,349
Speaker 2: be like her character is and then list seventeen shrakes.

616
00:33:29,189 --> 00:33:32,269
Speaker 6: Beauty and youth and hard work and determination and strength.

617
00:33:32,309 --> 00:33:34,509
Speaker 6: And she was in touch with her sexuality and her

618
00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:38,389
Speaker 6: a story that's emotional and it's fun and it's funny,

619
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:41,349
Speaker 6: and it's painful, and it's scary and it's tragic and

620
00:33:41,389 --> 00:33:42,189
Speaker 6: it's inspiring.

621
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Speaker 2: A lot of people do. Yeah. It's a way of

622
00:33:44,869 --> 00:33:51,789
Speaker 2: filling time without saying much, because there would be a

623
00:33:51,869 --> 00:33:53,949
Speaker 2: lot that she can't talk about or she doesn't want to,

624
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:56,549
Speaker 2: and she's just got to fill the five minutes with

625
00:33:56,669 --> 00:34:00,149
Speaker 2: that particular person. I get it. Answering the same questions, Jesse,

626
00:34:00,549 --> 00:34:04,109
Speaker 2: there are some amazing parodies of Blake Lively on this

627
00:34:04,189 --> 00:34:04,749
Speaker 2: press tour.

628
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:08,109
Speaker 4: What was it like working with Justin Baldoni bald? No,

629
00:34:08,709 --> 00:34:12,149
Speaker 4: my husband, Ryan Reynolds is not bald but he did.

630
00:34:12,189 --> 00:34:14,149
Speaker 4: We write the script during the writer stray, why is

631
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Speaker 4: it important for people to see this movie in a theater?

632
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:20,709
Speaker 4: Because community is so important. I want the movie theater

633
00:34:20,789 --> 00:34:24,069
Speaker 4: to feel like one big dance party with your girls.

634
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:26,309
Speaker 4: I mean, what's a more fun song to dance to

635
00:34:26,429 --> 00:34:27,149
Speaker 4: than My Tears?

636
00:34:27,269 --> 00:34:27,829
Speaker 2: Ricochet?

637
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:30,189
Speaker 4: What would you like audiences to take away from such

638
00:34:30,189 --> 00:34:32,869
Speaker 4: a serious and sensitive film?

639
00:34:32,909 --> 00:34:37,429
Speaker 2: Flowers Say what you like about her, but the marketing

640
00:34:37,709 --> 00:34:44,149
Speaker 2: has objectively on any spreadsheet, according to anyone worked, So

641
00:34:44,229 --> 00:34:47,109
Speaker 2: what of that worked for her? Or worked for the film.

642
00:34:47,549 --> 00:34:49,469
Speaker 2: Isn't there only one way it can work? Well, I

643
00:34:49,509 --> 00:34:52,149
Speaker 2: don't I think for people to go to the cinemas

644
00:34:52,189 --> 00:34:54,469
Speaker 2: to see the film. Yes, and people have gone to

645
00:34:54,469 --> 00:34:58,349
Speaker 2: the cinemas to see the film she made about domestic violence.

646
00:34:58,669 --> 00:35:01,709
Speaker 2: I have not known as many people to decide to

647
00:35:01,789 --> 00:35:04,029
Speaker 2: go to the theater for a long time as I

648
00:35:04,109 --> 00:35:08,029
Speaker 2: have in the last two weeks. So whatever Blake's doing,

649
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:13,389
Speaker 2: even if she's wearing dresses and answering questions, however, she's

650
00:35:13,469 --> 00:35:16,189
Speaker 2: made people go to the movies, which is her job.

651
00:35:16,389 --> 00:35:20,709
Speaker 2: She also has tried to sell her mother things. Ah,

652
00:35:20,829 --> 00:35:24,069
Speaker 2: let's talk about cross promo. People think it's insensitive that

653
00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:26,309
Speaker 2: Lively appears to be using it Ends with Us to

654
00:35:26,349 --> 00:35:30,189
Speaker 2: promote her other business ventures. She launched Blake Brown her

655
00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:33,309
Speaker 2: hair care line on Instagram. While on the It Ends

656
00:35:33,309 --> 00:35:36,789
Speaker 2: with Us press tour, she also did a crossover event

657
00:35:36,869 --> 00:35:40,749
Speaker 2: with her drinks company, Betty Buzz, which she tied into

658
00:35:40,789 --> 00:35:44,429
Speaker 2: the movie with a Betty Blooms theme, and she posted

659
00:35:44,469 --> 00:35:47,789
Speaker 2: about it. You know what, I actually find the Betty

660
00:35:47,989 --> 00:35:52,509
Speaker 2: Buzz Blooms slightly more uncomfortable than anything to do with hair,

661
00:35:53,389 --> 00:35:59,029
Speaker 2: because if we're talking about domestic violence and alcohol. Well, yes,

662
00:35:59,789 --> 00:36:02,589
Speaker 2: I think the most uncomfortable part is that during an

663
00:36:02,629 --> 00:36:05,149
Speaker 2: after party for the it MS with Us premiere, she

664
00:36:05,269 --> 00:36:07,829
Speaker 2: decided to promote her drinks company by setting up an

665
00:36:07,949 --> 00:36:11,709
Speaker 2: entire themed event centered around our alcohol and cocktail names

666
00:36:11,789 --> 00:36:16,469
Speaker 2: relating to the film Jesse, Yeah, cocktails. Okay, so that

667
00:36:16,669 --> 00:36:19,789
Speaker 2: is like the caption of the Instagram post, these are

668
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:23,989
Speaker 2: the cocktails. We have a blooming Betty Rile. You wait,

669
00:36:24,869 --> 00:36:28,709
Speaker 2: it ends with buzz Tom Colleen's I don't get it.

670
00:36:29,309 --> 00:36:32,309
Speaker 2: I guess like Colleen Hoover. Oh yeah yeah. Or if

671
00:36:32,349 --> 00:36:34,749
Speaker 2: you need something a little easier, that's just as tasty,

672
00:36:34,909 --> 00:36:38,349
Speaker 2: pick up a buzzy mocktail. Yeah see, I was listening

673
00:36:38,389 --> 00:36:41,749
Speaker 2: to something recently. A researcher on domestic violence and the

674
00:36:41,869 --> 00:36:46,629
Speaker 2: relationship between alcohol and domestic violence can't be denied. I

675
00:36:46,709 --> 00:36:51,269
Speaker 2: wouldn't be naming a cocktail after Ryal. Yes. There were

676
00:36:51,309 --> 00:36:53,909
Speaker 2: a lot of comments that said things like, what a

677
00:36:53,949 --> 00:36:57,149
Speaker 2: gross way to exploit a movie about domestic violence. People

678
00:36:57,189 --> 00:36:59,629
Speaker 2: with alcohol issues are six times more likely to abuse

679
00:36:59,669 --> 00:37:02,469
Speaker 2: their partners. Promoting a film with such a powerful DV

680
00:37:02,629 --> 00:37:06,869
Speaker 2: theme with an alcohol brand is disappointing and disrespectful. The

681
00:37:06,949 --> 00:37:10,309
Speaker 2: other cross promo element is that she's really we in

682
00:37:10,549 --> 00:37:13,669
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds and Deadpool. So yeah, she's just trying to

683
00:37:13,669 --> 00:37:17,229
Speaker 2: do Barberheimer. Yes, people have accused her of exactly that.

684
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:22,109
Speaker 2: Reynolds appeared in a skit where he jokingly interviewed Blake

685
00:37:22,149 --> 00:37:26,149
Speaker 2: Lively's love interest in the movie Atlas. Yeah, the guy

686
00:37:26,189 --> 00:37:29,509
Speaker 2: who plays Atlas, and it's just very I don't know.

687
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:31,469
Speaker 2: I guess my question is do we need any more

688
00:37:31,509 --> 00:37:34,869
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds content for a project? He is not directly

689
00:37:34,989 --> 00:37:36,949
Speaker 2: say what you like about the man, but they are

690
00:37:37,029 --> 00:37:40,989
Speaker 2: number one. Okay, everyone's talking about Deadpool, Wolf Wolverine. Is

691
00:37:41,029 --> 00:37:44,469
Speaker 2: that one? Yeah? Two? Yes, which is Ryan Reynolds and

692
00:37:44,549 --> 00:37:47,069
Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman, and that's number one. And then it ends

693
00:37:47,069 --> 00:37:48,909
Speaker 2: with us as number two. No, no, no, no, it ends

694
00:37:48,909 --> 00:37:53,669
Speaker 2: with us has overtaken the opening weekend Deadpool one. Okay.

695
00:37:54,029 --> 00:37:56,189
Speaker 2: I heard Blake say something about it. So anyway, they've

696
00:37:56,229 --> 00:37:57,709
Speaker 2: been the top two, right, and they're trying to have

697
00:37:57,789 --> 00:38:02,029
Speaker 2: another Barbiekheimer moment and everyone's like, yeah, but this movie

698
00:38:02,149 --> 00:38:09,349
Speaker 2: is too serious again Oppenheimer drop a nuclear bomb? Yes, yes,

699
00:38:09,549 --> 00:38:12,349
Speaker 2: great that he went for four hours and it was

700
00:38:12,629 --> 00:38:14,829
Speaker 2: set somewhere where it was all these scientists being like,

701
00:38:14,829 --> 00:38:16,349
Speaker 2: I don't think we should create this, and then then

702
00:38:16,589 --> 00:38:19,509
Speaker 2: it'll be in the world. See it after Barbie or before,

703
00:38:21,869 --> 00:38:25,989
Speaker 2: get yourself a cocktail, have some popcorn, Barbie Heimer, where

704
00:38:25,989 --> 00:38:32,269
Speaker 2: you pink that man killed hundreds of thousands of people.

705
00:38:32,629 --> 00:38:36,189
Speaker 2: They needed to make laws where they said, don't we

706
00:38:36,309 --> 00:38:38,909
Speaker 2: know we made it, But just because you can doesn't

707
00:38:38,989 --> 00:38:42,549
Speaker 2: mean you should. Jesse an awkward moment from twenty sixteen.

708
00:38:43,149 --> 00:38:45,389
Speaker 2: In the midst of all of this, an interview from

709
00:38:45,469 --> 00:38:49,189
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen has gone viral, which is the most Internet

710
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:52,069
Speaker 2: thing about all of this? Is it? Then we start

711
00:38:52,149 --> 00:38:55,829
Speaker 2: dredging up? Hey, what about other times when Blake Lively

712
00:38:55,869 --> 00:39:02,149
Speaker 2: has been less than ideal. Norwegian journalist Kirsty Flaher shared

713
00:39:02,189 --> 00:39:05,069
Speaker 2: an interview she did with Lively during promo for the

714
00:39:05,069 --> 00:39:08,669
Speaker 2: film Cafe Society, which is a Woody Allen film. Yeah,

715
00:39:08,669 --> 00:39:12,789
Speaker 2: I've watched this interview for Yeah. Well, let's just drop

716
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:15,269
Speaker 2: the fact it's a Woody Allen film. We'll leave that,

717
00:39:16,149 --> 00:39:24,429
Speaker 2: but we have stated it FA like Scardro you need

718
00:39:24,549 --> 00:39:27,869
Speaker 2: to spend some time with our Scar Joe Cancel episode

719
00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:31,069
Speaker 2: in private. I will I will. Fla said the interview

720
00:39:31,429 --> 00:39:34,269
Speaker 2: made me want to quit my job. The interview opens

721
00:39:34,309 --> 00:39:37,349
Speaker 2: with her congratulating Lively on her little bump, referring to

722
00:39:37,389 --> 00:39:40,309
Speaker 2: her pregnancy, which Blake had announced Yep, she was like

723
00:39:40,389 --> 00:39:44,749
Speaker 2: quite pregnant, to which Lively congratulated Fla, who was not pregnant,

724
00:39:44,949 --> 00:39:49,069
Speaker 2: on her little bump. Then Flaw asks about the costumes

725
00:39:49,189 --> 00:39:52,429
Speaker 2: worn in the film, and Lively seems offended and questions

726
00:39:52,469 --> 00:39:54,909
Speaker 2: whether the interviewer would ask the same thing of the

727
00:39:54,949 --> 00:39:59,229
Speaker 2: men in the film. The interviewer has now done press

728
00:39:59,269 --> 00:40:02,709
Speaker 2: of her own talking about that interview and said, basically,

729
00:40:02,909 --> 00:40:04,869
Speaker 2: I still don't get why she was offended that I

730
00:40:04,909 --> 00:40:07,589
Speaker 2: mentioned her pregnancy. So a lot of the commentary is

731
00:40:07,629 --> 00:40:09,909
Speaker 2: saying that posey Parker, who's a woman next to her,

732
00:40:09,989 --> 00:40:12,149
Speaker 2: was also rude. I didn't think she was rude. I

733
00:40:12,189 --> 00:40:14,269
Speaker 2: thought that she was trying to salvage the interview. No,

734
00:40:14,389 --> 00:40:15,589
Speaker 2: I thought both of them were rude.

735
00:40:15,749 --> 00:40:15,989
Speaker 4: Really.

736
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:19,509
Speaker 2: Yeah, they spoke to each other instead of to the interviewer. Yeah,

737
00:40:19,509 --> 00:40:21,349
Speaker 2: but I thought that that was posy Parker kind of

738
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:23,229
Speaker 2: trying to make up for I thought that she was

739
00:40:23,269 --> 00:40:25,269
Speaker 2: doing damage control. I think if you watch it again,

740
00:40:25,309 --> 00:40:27,229
Speaker 2: you can see it through the prism of she knows

741
00:40:27,269 --> 00:40:29,429
Speaker 2: the situation is uncomfortable, and she's trying to kind of

742
00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:33,029
Speaker 2: plicate both of them. I don't know, but the interviewer

743
00:40:33,029 --> 00:40:36,389
Speaker 2: has also said she still doesn't understand why Blake Lively

744
00:40:36,549 --> 00:40:40,869
Speaker 2: was upset about the costume question. It's very normal to

745
00:40:40,989 --> 00:40:44,629
Speaker 2: ask yeah about costumes. Yeah, look, I don't think Blake

746
00:40:44,709 --> 00:40:46,709
Speaker 2: was her best self in that interview. I think she

747
00:40:46,909 --> 00:40:51,989
Speaker 2: would agree, And I thought, oh, this is Baldoni's pr team, Yeah,

748
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:55,509
Speaker 2: doing a little dig. But then I went back and

749
00:40:55,549 --> 00:40:59,749
Speaker 2: realized that that interviewer just decided to share that footage

750
00:40:59,789 --> 00:41:01,909
Speaker 2: for the first time. Yeah, I don't even think she

751
00:41:01,989 --> 00:41:06,069
Speaker 2: was fully aware of how much this moment already was

752
00:41:06,749 --> 00:41:09,909
Speaker 2: hating on Blake, and then she released that to be like,

753
00:41:09,949 --> 00:41:12,549
Speaker 2: I've had a terrible experience with a celebrity interview, and

754
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:18,029
Speaker 2: then she ruined blake'slast yes whoops. Well, onto theories. The

755
00:41:18,149 --> 00:41:22,829
Speaker 2: vibe is Paul maligned Baldoni. He just wanted to make

756
00:41:22,829 --> 00:41:25,709
Speaker 2: a movie about domestic violence, and now all these horrible,

757
00:41:25,749 --> 00:41:29,629
Speaker 2: annoying women have made it about frivolous things. Don't you

758
00:41:29,669 --> 00:41:33,829
Speaker 2: hate women? That seems to be the situation. Yeah, and

759
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:36,749
Speaker 2: go and see the film with your golfriends. In your florals,

760
00:41:37,269 --> 00:41:39,629
Speaker 2: get the message, shed a tear and then walk out

761
00:41:39,629 --> 00:41:41,429
Speaker 2: and go. But that Blake Lively is a bitch, and

762
00:41:41,509 --> 00:41:44,549
Speaker 2: I think that that is a message of the film.

763
00:41:44,629 --> 00:41:47,949
Speaker 2: Blake Lively's a bitch and Colleen who is siding with

764
00:41:47,989 --> 00:41:51,429
Speaker 2: the wrong person about her own work. But that Justin

765
00:41:51,429 --> 00:41:55,749
Speaker 2: Baldoni what a bloke. Slow clap for the only man

766
00:41:55,789 --> 00:42:00,709
Speaker 2: in the jesse. This is like the TikTok that's just

767
00:42:00,749 --> 00:42:05,189
Speaker 2: been going viral, and it's a compilation of Justin Baldoni

768
00:42:05,269 --> 00:42:08,669
Speaker 2: doing press versus Blake Lively doing press. Oh great a compilation.

769
00:42:08,749 --> 00:42:11,269
Speaker 2: There's never any bias in her that. No, it's not

770
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:15,109
Speaker 2: like you intentionally choose particular moments and then put music

771
00:42:15,149 --> 00:42:16,949
Speaker 2: over it. This is your night, mister.

772
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:18,829
Speaker 5: No, this isn't my night.

773
00:42:19,029 --> 00:42:20,989
Speaker 1: This is a night for all the women who we

774
00:42:21,029 --> 00:42:22,749
Speaker 1: made this movie for. This is a night for Blake.

775
00:42:22,869 --> 00:42:23,829
Speaker 1: This is so much.

776
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Speaker 5: And when you're touched and moved by something like as

777
00:42:26,989 --> 00:42:29,269
Speaker 5: deeply as I was by this book, it just kind

778
00:42:29,309 --> 00:42:31,909
Speaker 5: of comes naturally. Yes, this is a movie about love

779
00:42:32,269 --> 00:42:35,629
Speaker 5: and hope, but that we don't shy away from the issue.

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Speaker 6: It is for Saucy Dress two thousand and two. The

781
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782
00:42:42,229 --> 00:42:43,949
Speaker 2: It meant so much to me because of.

783
00:42:43,909 --> 00:42:45,589
Speaker 4: What she meant she was So.

784
00:42:47,189 --> 00:42:51,629
Speaker 2: You have to admit the note about Blake Lively listening things.

785
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Speaker 2: She does like to list an adjective, which is fine.

786
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Speaker 2: the amount of times I nearly yelled loudly, mind you,

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Speaker 2: I was not proud of who I was. I was

830
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831
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Speaker 2: Everyone kept telling me my life was about to get shit,

832
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Speaker 2: and I was like, everyone, fuck right off. Blake got

833
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Speaker 2: snippy in front of the camera, which is a shame

834
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Speaker 2: because the camera was recording. And in her defense, she

835
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Speaker 2: was pregnant. She was pregnant, she was shitty. She's like, oh,

836
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Speaker 2: congratulations on my bump. I hate you and everyone. Yeah, yeah,

837
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Speaker 2: why am I working? I'm tired. Her bump was fairly little.

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Speaker 2: She probably still in the I need to vomit stage,

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840
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:28,509
Speaker 2: still shitty stage. Yeah. True, and no one's talking about that.

841
00:46:28,589 --> 00:46:32,469
Speaker 2: My sentence, you can't get sniffy with strangers, only with

842
00:46:32,589 --> 00:46:36,069
Speaker 2: people who love the unconditionally. Okay, so get sniffy with Ryan,

843
00:46:36,429 --> 00:46:39,989
Speaker 2: get snippy with you can use some sess. I think

844
00:46:40,029 --> 00:46:44,509
Speaker 2: he could too, because Wolverine is going well, he needs

845
00:46:44,509 --> 00:46:47,389
Speaker 2: to be knocked down a peg. Yes, and that's why

846
00:46:47,429 --> 00:46:50,589
Speaker 2: I treat you like shit. Yeah, you might have noticed.

847
00:46:51,069 --> 00:46:54,549
Speaker 2: We just yelled at each other during our pregnancies to

848
00:46:54,629 --> 00:46:57,709
Speaker 2: save everyone else from bearing the brunt of unhinged emotion.

849
00:46:59,589 --> 00:47:05,189
Speaker 2: You should be able to hire someone to be snippy. Yes,

850
00:47:05,189 --> 00:47:08,469
Speaker 2: actually during pregnancy that should be a gift. Oh I'm

851
00:47:08,509 --> 00:47:11,549
Speaker 2: pregnant and then you go HI and hire someone what

852
00:47:11,709 --> 00:47:15,309
Speaker 2: for You'll see You'll see, oh what just so much

853
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:18,309
Speaker 2: to talk to? Yeah, but you can say anything anything.

854
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:22,549
Speaker 2: I hate your face. Yeah, and we don't do it

855
00:47:22,589 --> 00:47:25,789
Speaker 2: to Norwegian journalists, not when there's a camera rolling. No,

856
00:47:26,269 --> 00:47:31,429
Speaker 2: absolutely not, Jesse. So your sentences, hire someone, hire someone

857
00:47:31,469 --> 00:47:33,189
Speaker 2: to be a bit to it without a camera rolling,

858
00:47:33,309 --> 00:47:35,629
Speaker 2: because I don't know. She's been pregnant like four times. Yeah,

859
00:47:35,629 --> 00:47:37,069
Speaker 2: it's just a lot of times to be pregnant. I

860
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:40,629
Speaker 2: don't know if that was two, three, four. She's tired,

861
00:47:41,189 --> 00:47:44,389
Speaker 2: she's shitty. Mm. She didn't want you to see that interview.

862
00:47:44,389 --> 00:47:47,429
Speaker 2: I don't think. No, I don't think so either, Jesse.

863
00:47:48,149 --> 00:47:51,869
Speaker 2: My vibe is this. I think this whole story is

864
00:47:51,949 --> 00:47:56,349
Speaker 2: such good evidence of how much we love to hate

865
00:47:56,349 --> 00:48:00,069
Speaker 2: a woman. That's so we love it, and this all

866
00:48:00,109 --> 00:48:03,269
Speaker 2: going viral. It's just people being like, oh, yes, I've

867
00:48:03,269 --> 00:48:06,469
Speaker 2: been waiting to hate Blake Lively ever since gossip Girl,

868
00:48:06,749 --> 00:48:09,109
Speaker 2: not ever since Gossip Girl, ever since Sisterhood of the

869
00:48:09,149 --> 00:48:13,189
Speaker 2: Trailing Pass Rag Unfinished. Just before Yeah, I had my

870
00:48:13,269 --> 00:48:16,429
Speaker 2: ray Gun moment. Yeah, that was dying off. I felt it.

871
00:48:16,509 --> 00:48:19,509
Speaker 2: I felt the momentum. Yeah, because the Olympics are over,

872
00:48:19,669 --> 00:48:22,189
Speaker 2: so just so hating on ray Gun felt a little

873
00:48:22,229 --> 00:48:24,629
Speaker 2: over the top. Yeah. Then just as that was dipping.

874
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:27,629
Speaker 2: Oh it's a new person to hate. Yeah, yeah, so

875
00:48:27,669 --> 00:48:31,909
Speaker 2: we hate Blake. I think this is the kind of

876
00:48:31,989 --> 00:48:34,509
Speaker 2: thing where, six months down the track, we're gonna look

877
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:37,229
Speaker 2: at it and think, hold on, hold on, why were

878
00:48:37,229 --> 00:48:42,429
Speaker 2: we so mad? Were we mad because Blake Lively wasn't

879
00:48:42,469 --> 00:48:46,509
Speaker 2: fully serious enough, didn't answer questions in the right way

880
00:48:47,629 --> 00:48:51,669
Speaker 2: given she was in a movie about domestic violence. I

881
00:48:51,669 --> 00:48:55,069
Speaker 2: think the sting of this is going to pass very quickly. Yes,

882
00:48:55,389 --> 00:48:57,669
Speaker 2: and we'll think that was a wild time, a little

883
00:48:57,669 --> 00:48:59,509
Speaker 2: bit over the top, But the thing about cancel culture

884
00:48:59,549 --> 00:49:01,829
Speaker 2: is we'll kind of realize that, but everyone will still

885
00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:04,149
Speaker 2: feel a bit funny about Blake for reasons they can't

886
00:49:04,189 --> 00:49:06,229
Speaker 2: quite articulate. Yeah, and they'll keep bringing up the old

887
00:49:06,229 --> 00:49:09,949
Speaker 2: stuff because they keep going she stole Ryan from Sky

888
00:49:10,229 --> 00:49:14,509
Speaker 2: Joe Plantation wedding. By the way, if those things, they're

889
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:17,549
Speaker 2: ringing a bell and you need your context. Blake Lively,

890
00:49:17,709 --> 00:49:20,229
Speaker 2: our canceled episode on Blake Lively one of the most

891
00:49:20,269 --> 00:49:23,989
Speaker 2: listened to ever, which I will say is telling go

892
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:26,429
Speaker 2: listen to that. Yeah, and then we've also got a

893
00:49:26,509 --> 00:49:29,189
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds episode, so listen to that in the back catalog.

894
00:49:29,269 --> 00:49:30,829
Speaker 2: We'll have links in our show notes if you need

895
00:49:30,869 --> 00:49:33,069
Speaker 2: to know all of the context. We don't have Justin

896
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:36,509
Speaker 2: because he's just not that. He's just not that. Let's

897
00:49:36,509 --> 00:49:38,709
Speaker 2: just say, if it was just Justin doing the primo,

898
00:49:38,869 --> 00:49:43,509
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be watching that movie this weekend. Yeah. True. Anyway,

899
00:49:43,909 --> 00:49:48,909
Speaker 2: So my charge is basically, guys, you just want to

900
00:49:48,949 --> 00:49:53,669
Speaker 2: takee a woman and my sentences guys, chill, Actually everybody chill,

901
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:57,389
Speaker 2: really yeah, chill. But then what are we meant to

902
00:49:57,429 --> 00:50:00,549
Speaker 2: do on TikTok? That's the thing, isn't it is that

903
00:50:00,989 --> 00:50:03,829
Speaker 2: it's still fun. We need to do things on TikTok. Yeah,

904
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:06,509
Speaker 2: often people run out. I wonder if this has broken

905
00:50:06,509 --> 00:50:08,549
Speaker 2: a record for the amount of content about the same thing.

906
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:15,189
Speaker 2: Probably anyway, in the rule book it's been added. Guys, enough,

907
00:50:15,229 --> 00:50:19,109
Speaker 2: now chill before we go. We have a lazy girl

908
00:50:19,189 --> 00:50:24,589
Speaker 2: story from Reagan. Ah, she said, Jessy, is it that Reagan. No,

909
00:50:24,989 --> 00:50:27,749
Speaker 2: that's a different one. It's not going to the Olympics.

910
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:29,589
Speaker 2: Is not a very laser girl. No, there is no

911
00:50:29,709 --> 00:50:32,469
Speaker 2: lazy girl in our community who has made it to

912
00:50:32,509 --> 00:50:37,469
Speaker 2: the Olympic. True. Ah, maybe Reagun Sorry continue, No, Hi, girls.

913
00:50:37,749 --> 00:50:39,909
Speaker 2: I drive a car from twenty eleven, and at some

914
00:50:40,109 --> 00:50:43,189
Speaker 2: point there was a recall because apparently it's quite easy

915
00:50:43,229 --> 00:50:46,629
Speaker 2: to break into. I've received dozens of letters from the

916
00:50:46,669 --> 00:50:49,709
Speaker 2: car manufacturer letting me know that I can stop buy

917
00:50:49,709 --> 00:50:51,989
Speaker 2: a local dealership to get a free part to prevent

918
00:50:52,029 --> 00:50:55,069
Speaker 2: my car from being broken into. Have I gone to

919
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:55,829
Speaker 2: pick up the part?

920
00:50:56,349 --> 00:50:56,429
Speaker 4: No?

921
00:50:57,149 --> 00:51:00,149
Speaker 2: Is the dealership literally an eight minute drive from my

922
00:51:00,229 --> 00:51:03,669
Speaker 2: house and right by the grocery shop I go to weekly. Yes,

923
00:51:03,869 --> 00:51:07,069
Speaker 2: eight minutes. We'll just keep hoping no one wants to

924
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:12,189
Speaker 2: steal my thirteen year old car. Instead love Reagan. She's

925
00:51:12,189 --> 00:51:16,349
Speaker 2: a lazy girl. Okay. So I had a similar experience

926
00:51:16,389 --> 00:51:19,229
Speaker 2: to this, not my car. Didn't own a car Rory's car,

927
00:51:19,709 --> 00:51:21,989
Speaker 2: and it was actually more of a safety issue in

928
00:51:22,029 --> 00:51:26,829
Speaker 2: the air bag was faulty, and so you could take

929
00:51:26,869 --> 00:51:29,389
Speaker 2: it and get it fixed. So what you've given me

930
00:51:29,749 --> 00:51:33,709
Speaker 2: car company, you've given me a job. It's a job.

931
00:51:33,989 --> 00:51:36,949
Speaker 2: I get a little joy from it. Just because it's free,

932
00:51:36,989 --> 00:51:39,509
Speaker 2: doesn't mean I want to do it. No, your it

933
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:41,949
Speaker 2: sounds like a U problem. That sounds like a U problem.

934
00:51:41,949 --> 00:51:43,789
Speaker 2: On what I need is for you to pick up

935
00:51:43,789 --> 00:51:46,509
Speaker 2: the car, take it, get it fixed, bring it back

936
00:51:46,509 --> 00:51:50,189
Speaker 2: to me without any inconvenience on a day I don't

937
00:51:50,229 --> 00:51:52,349
Speaker 2: need my car. I just think Reagan's a bit like

938
00:51:52,469 --> 00:51:54,629
Speaker 2: well my thoughts. Sometimes I walk away from my car

939
00:51:54,669 --> 00:51:56,229
Speaker 2: and I go, did I lock it? And I go?

940
00:51:56,349 --> 00:52:01,509
Speaker 2: Even if I didn't? One seems hard to steal a car. Yeah,

941
00:52:01,709 --> 00:52:04,069
Speaker 2: nothing valuable in it. So I think Reagan is just

942
00:52:04,109 --> 00:52:08,149
Speaker 2: doing a cost benefit analysis and she's like, the benefits

943
00:52:08,189 --> 00:52:11,749
Speaker 2: of making sure my car locks aren't that great. Aren't

944
00:52:11,749 --> 00:52:13,389
Speaker 2: that great when you don't have any valuables? I mean,

945
00:52:13,429 --> 00:52:15,749
Speaker 2: the car is valuable, but you know it needs a

946
00:52:15,789 --> 00:52:19,069
Speaker 2: new part. That's what insurance is for. I feel like

947
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:20,749
Speaker 2: she should just put a note in the car being

948
00:52:20,789 --> 00:52:23,909
Speaker 2: like steal it, but no, it comes with the job,

949
00:52:24,429 --> 00:52:27,149
Speaker 2: and that is that you have just broken into it

950
00:52:27,709 --> 00:52:29,989
Speaker 2: because I haven't got the part that makes it lot.

951
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:33,149
Speaker 2: And so if you truly believe that you can go

952
00:52:33,189 --> 00:52:34,749
Speaker 2: and do that job, steal it and no one will

953
00:52:34,749 --> 00:52:37,869
Speaker 2: steal it. Claire, do you remember there was a recall

954
00:52:37,949 --> 00:52:41,669
Speaker 2: on a car that mum used to drive, and it said,

955
00:52:41,669 --> 00:52:43,829
Speaker 2: and this is the thing. I think cars with recalls

956
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:46,909
Speaker 2: are a lazy girl's kryptonite because they didn't do any

957
00:52:46,949 --> 00:52:49,909
Speaker 2: research of it, and so they just go, all right, fine,

958
00:52:49,949 --> 00:52:52,189
Speaker 2: I'll get that car anyway. Mum gets this shit a

959
00:52:52,229 --> 00:52:54,509
Speaker 2: box of a car and I'm in the car with

960
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:58,269
Speaker 2: her and it's thirty five degrees and we're like, yeah, yeah, recall,

961
00:52:58,349 --> 00:53:00,509
Speaker 2: like what, we didn't even read the fine bring no.

962
00:53:01,269 --> 00:53:03,869
Speaker 2: And I was finishing my makeup and she went inside

963
00:53:04,509 --> 00:53:06,829
Speaker 2: to do something and I was still sitting there and

964
00:53:06,869 --> 00:53:08,149
Speaker 2: it was getting pretty hot in the car, and I

965
00:53:08,229 --> 00:53:09,589
Speaker 2: was like, I'm just going to open the door. It's

966
00:53:09,749 --> 00:53:12,269
Speaker 2: getting pretty hot. And then I was like, oh shit,

967
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:14,269
Speaker 2: I'm locked in now. People are going to say you

968
00:53:14,269 --> 00:53:15,429
Speaker 2: can unlock it from the inside.

969
00:53:15,509 --> 00:53:15,629
Speaker 1: No.

970
00:53:15,629 --> 00:53:17,629
Speaker 2: No, this was why there was a recall, because you

971
00:53:17,669 --> 00:53:21,269
Speaker 2: can't unlock it from the inside. Yeah, what did I do?

972
00:53:22,829 --> 00:53:29,029
Speaker 2: He smashed the winter I'm quick to panic. You decided

973
00:53:29,989 --> 00:53:32,109
Speaker 2: you were a baby in a hot car. I did,

974
00:53:32,229 --> 00:53:35,229
Speaker 2: and you needed to. I've actually never panicked so much

975
00:53:35,309 --> 00:53:38,669
Speaker 2: my whole life. I couldn't see the solution. I got

976
00:53:38,749 --> 00:53:42,229
Speaker 2: really hot in like twenty seconds. I was like, we're talking,

977
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:47,149
Speaker 2: I'm melting. I'm so hot, I'm actually sweating. And then

978
00:53:47,189 --> 00:53:50,349
Speaker 2: I was like, there's no one around, and there wasn't.

979
00:53:50,429 --> 00:53:52,789
Speaker 2: We were in the blistering heat in the middle of

980
00:53:52,869 --> 00:53:55,189
Speaker 2: summer and there was no one around, and they'd all

981
00:53:55,189 --> 00:53:58,389
Speaker 2: gone into this thing, a social thing that was going

982
00:53:58,429 --> 00:53:59,829
Speaker 2: to happen for an hour. And I was like, there,

983
00:53:59,829 --> 00:54:03,469
Speaker 2: come back, and I'm just not here anymore. So I

984
00:54:03,629 --> 00:54:07,189
Speaker 2: tried to punch the glass and I couldn't. I tried

985
00:54:07,189 --> 00:54:10,069
Speaker 2: to kick it, couldn't. At this point, I was like,

986
00:54:10,629 --> 00:54:13,789
Speaker 2: I'm aloud of my tears and I'm really tired and

987
00:54:13,989 --> 00:54:18,749
Speaker 2: hot and dehydrated. At this point three if it had

988
00:54:18,749 --> 00:54:20,789
Speaker 2: been three, it'd been like forty five seconds, And I

989
00:54:20,829 --> 00:54:23,749
Speaker 2: was like, what one of them came out to just

990
00:54:23,789 --> 00:54:30,029
Speaker 2: see you standing outside the car and you smashed wind.

991
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:32,469
Speaker 2: Do you know how I smashed the window? You grab

992
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:34,909
Speaker 2: something heavy. So I was looking everywhere because I was like,

993
00:54:34,949 --> 00:54:37,309
Speaker 2: there's nothing here. And then under the seat I found

994
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:41,029
Speaker 2: a steel water bottle and then I banged it and

995
00:54:41,029 --> 00:54:45,629
Speaker 2: banged it. Do you offer to pay? No? No, no,

996
00:54:45,629 --> 00:54:49,509
Speaker 2: no no, because I was like, this car is faulty,

997
00:54:50,269 --> 00:54:51,909
Speaker 2: and so I went bang bang bang. And there was

998
00:54:51,949 --> 00:54:53,669
Speaker 2: an issue too. I think I tried to beat the horn,

999
00:54:53,669 --> 00:54:55,109
Speaker 2: but you couldn't beat the horn, and I think that

1000
00:54:55,189 --> 00:54:57,709
Speaker 2: was another product. Couldn't beat the horn with the car off,

1001
00:54:59,069 --> 00:55:02,189
Speaker 2: I'm gang it. But the most embarrassing beard was as

1002
00:55:02,189 --> 00:55:03,909
Speaker 2: I was crawling through the broken window and there was

1003
00:55:03,949 --> 00:55:09,109
Speaker 2: glasses everywhere. Is this the couple walked past, I was

1004
00:55:09,229 --> 00:55:11,829
Speaker 2: like the ring. I was with the ring crawling out

1005
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:14,789
Speaker 2: because I was wet, you know, when you know you

1006
00:55:14,829 --> 00:55:17,909
Speaker 2: look panicked. So I walked out and I was just

1007
00:55:17,949 --> 00:55:19,789
Speaker 2: like standing on the thing, and they were like, oh

1008
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:23,509
Speaker 2: my goodness, what happened? And I was like nothing. And

1009
00:55:23,549 --> 00:55:26,229
Speaker 2: then everyone in this event where they were like, I

1010
00:55:26,229 --> 00:55:28,709
Speaker 2: think your car got broken into and I was like, yeah, mom,

1011
00:55:29,069 --> 00:55:32,029
Speaker 2: the car's been broken into Jesse, why do you have

1012
00:55:32,429 --> 00:55:36,389
Speaker 2: blood on your shins from climbing out a car windows?

1013
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:41,389
Speaker 2: I don't know. Ah, Anyway, I'm alive ready, top Tail.

1014
00:55:42,589 --> 00:55:45,709
Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for on today's episode of Canceled.

1015
00:55:45,869 --> 00:55:49,309
Speaker 2: And before you go, please leave us a review. We

1016
00:55:49,389 --> 00:55:52,709
Speaker 2: got inundated with reviews alleging that I gave up my

1017
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:55,269
Speaker 2: dog and I can't tell you how untrue that is

1018
00:55:55,509 --> 00:55:59,069
Speaker 2: and how random and how random I still have my

1019
00:55:59,109 --> 00:56:03,149
Speaker 2: rescue dog. Honestly, those reviews ruined my days. Want to

1020
00:56:03,189 --> 00:56:06,629
Speaker 2: lead some positive reviews about true things, such as I

1021
00:56:06,669 --> 00:56:09,349
Speaker 2: love my dog and I feed her twice a day.

1022
00:56:09,789 --> 00:56:12,069
Speaker 2: Please do so, And we have links to all of

1023
00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:15,389
Speaker 2: those other episodes in our show notes. The executive producer

1024
00:56:15,389 --> 00:56:18,829
Speaker 2: of Canceled is Toelyissa Bizaz, with audio editing by Tomline.

1025
00:56:18,949 --> 00:56:22,869
Speaker 2: And we'll be back next week. Bye bye,