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Check out the link in the 11 00:00:41,126 --> 00:00:49,486 Speaker 1: show notes. Hi, I'm Cassena Lukic and this is Diary 12 00:00:49,645 --> 00:00:53,046 Speaker 1: of a Birth. We love sharing all kinds of birth 13 00:00:53,086 --> 00:00:57,926 Speaker 1: stories here, but something I'm particularly passionate about is sharing 14 00:00:58,006 --> 00:01:03,406 Speaker 1: the positive stories as well as the traumatic. Birth is hard. 15 00:01:03,806 --> 00:01:08,406 Speaker 1: We all know that it's unexped and sometimes scary, but 16 00:01:08,566 --> 00:01:13,926 Speaker 1: there are beautiful moments too. After two unmedicated and complication 17 00:01:14,206 --> 00:01:18,246 Speaker 1: free births, today's mom felt confident going into her third. 18 00:01:19,086 --> 00:01:23,446 Speaker 1: Only this time she birthed so quickly her husband missed it. 19 00:01:24,206 --> 00:01:26,446 Speaker 2: He just said, he looked at his phone and it 20 00:01:26,486 --> 00:01:30,046 Speaker 2: was multiple like twenty miss calls, text messages from me, 21 00:01:30,246 --> 00:01:33,606 Speaker 2: my mom, everyone, and he goes, yeah, it's happened, like 22 00:01:33,646 --> 00:01:34,486 Speaker 2: he almost knew. 23 00:01:35,486 --> 00:01:39,286 Speaker 1: But despite not having her husband there, she was delighted 24 00:01:39,326 --> 00:01:42,566 Speaker 1: to share the moment with her mother, an experience that 25 00:01:42,686 --> 00:01:47,606 Speaker 1: brought them even closer together. So let's meet today's mum. 26 00:01:48,246 --> 00:01:50,526 Speaker 3: Hi. My name's Lee Cinda, and this is the diary 27 00:01:50,606 --> 00:01:55,086 Speaker 3: of my birth with Sarji. So you've got three girls. 28 00:01:55,086 --> 00:01:58,406 Speaker 1: You've got Poppy, Gigi, and Sachi. And what interested me 29 00:01:58,526 --> 00:02:03,326 Speaker 1: most about your story is how you describe your births 30 00:02:03,406 --> 00:02:08,806 Speaker 1: as being relative easy. So can you just briefly tell 31 00:02:08,846 --> 00:02:11,406 Speaker 1: me about your first two berths. 32 00:02:11,566 --> 00:02:13,886 Speaker 2: It's so funny because I say this to people and 33 00:02:13,925 --> 00:02:16,405 Speaker 2: my husband goes, were we in the same room? 34 00:02:17,125 --> 00:02:20,206 Speaker 3: That was not easy for you? It was screaming. 35 00:02:20,846 --> 00:02:25,365 Speaker 2: I guess it's like retrospectively, looking back, it was joyful 36 00:02:25,566 --> 00:02:27,805 Speaker 2: in a way. I suppose I enjoyed it more than 37 00:02:27,846 --> 00:02:31,766 Speaker 2: I thought. It was still really hard, but I really 38 00:02:31,846 --> 00:02:35,366 Speaker 2: enjoy giving birth. And my mom's one of five, so 39 00:02:35,525 --> 00:02:38,645 Speaker 2: maybe there's some genetics at play. I've got three now, 40 00:02:38,685 --> 00:02:40,766 Speaker 2: and I've enjoyed it so far. I could definitely keep 41 00:02:40,766 --> 00:02:43,326 Speaker 2: going and having five if I was lucky enough. 42 00:02:43,766 --> 00:02:46,206 Speaker 3: But yeah, I have enjoyed it. 43 00:02:46,326 --> 00:02:48,846 Speaker 1: So you know, you mentioned that your mum felt like 44 00:02:48,925 --> 00:02:50,685 Speaker 1: she was a good berth, so were You're like, Okay, 45 00:02:50,685 --> 00:02:51,486 Speaker 1: this is genetic. 46 00:02:51,645 --> 00:02:54,086 Speaker 2: I was hoping it would be genetic, but at the 47 00:02:54,125 --> 00:02:56,726 Speaker 2: same time, I was like open to all options, like 48 00:02:56,766 --> 00:02:59,405 Speaker 2: I love the sound of an epidural, Like I'm all 49 00:02:59,405 --> 00:03:02,766 Speaker 2: for advanced medicine, and you know that sounds amazing, Like. 50 00:03:02,766 --> 00:03:04,126 Speaker 3: I really am all for that. 51 00:03:04,525 --> 00:03:07,086 Speaker 2: So I I honestly thought I was going in to 52 00:03:07,085 --> 00:03:09,446 Speaker 2: get an epi dural for my first and I thought 53 00:03:09,525 --> 00:03:12,685 Speaker 2: it would be an opportunity to be more present in 54 00:03:12,726 --> 00:03:14,846 Speaker 2: the birth. I've heard all these stories, so I'm like, 55 00:03:14,925 --> 00:03:17,886 Speaker 2: this is great. But one thing I wasn't aware of. 56 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:19,965 Speaker 2: I thought you sort of turned up to the hospital 57 00:03:20,006 --> 00:03:23,726 Speaker 2: and you get presented with your options, like almost like 58 00:03:23,766 --> 00:03:26,486 Speaker 2: a at a restaurant where the waiter comes around and 59 00:03:26,645 --> 00:03:29,766 Speaker 2: shares the dessert you know, trolley or the champagne trolley. 60 00:03:29,805 --> 00:03:32,646 Speaker 2: You can have this, this that, here's your paodol endme, 61 00:03:33,245 --> 00:03:34,846 Speaker 2: or there is the epidural option. 62 00:03:35,086 --> 00:03:36,406 Speaker 3: But there wasn't any of that. 63 00:03:36,486 --> 00:03:38,486 Speaker 2: It was sort of up to you as the patient 64 00:03:38,566 --> 00:03:40,846 Speaker 2: to say what you wanted, and I was really surprised 65 00:03:40,846 --> 00:03:42,926 Speaker 2: by that. So I was waiting, thinking, man, when's the 66 00:03:42,966 --> 00:03:45,246 Speaker 2: midwife going to come back? I really want this epy dural. 67 00:03:45,286 --> 00:03:46,165 Speaker 2: It was starting to hurt. 68 00:03:46,166 --> 00:03:48,165 Speaker 3: But by the time I finally said, you know, I'm 69 00:03:48,166 --> 00:03:50,326 Speaker 3: just going to ask myself, she goes, no, it's way 70 00:03:50,366 --> 00:03:51,086 Speaker 3: too late for that. 71 00:03:51,126 --> 00:03:54,566 Speaker 2: We're ready to push. So I was like, what I 72 00:03:54,686 --> 00:03:57,246 Speaker 2: need something? I need a padodole. I was just like, no, Like, 73 00:03:57,526 --> 00:03:59,166 Speaker 2: it won't, it won't kick him. 74 00:03:59,166 --> 00:04:00,926 Speaker 3: By the time you read, you've got a push and 75 00:04:00,966 --> 00:04:02,285 Speaker 3: it all just sort of happens. 76 00:04:02,366 --> 00:04:05,966 Speaker 2: Where did you give birth for Poppy in Woollongong private? 77 00:04:06,526 --> 00:04:10,046 Speaker 2: So being in Barrel, which is regional an hour and 78 00:04:10,086 --> 00:04:13,325 Speaker 2: a half from Sydney. There is a Barrel hospital here, 79 00:04:13,406 --> 00:04:18,006 Speaker 2: but I just thought making that trip to Woollongong. Honestly, 80 00:04:18,006 --> 00:04:20,766 Speaker 2: it's because I've paid private health insurance for so bloody long. 81 00:04:20,806 --> 00:04:22,565 Speaker 2: I just wanted to make get my baby at my 82 00:04:22,646 --> 00:04:24,246 Speaker 2: bark and go to a private hospital. 83 00:04:24,606 --> 00:04:30,045 Speaker 1: Especially when you're paying for maternal private. That really upset. 84 00:04:29,885 --> 00:04:32,126 Speaker 3: Please, I'm going to make the most of it. 85 00:04:32,206 --> 00:04:34,126 Speaker 2: So we went there, which was still a forty minute 86 00:04:34,206 --> 00:04:37,405 Speaker 2: drive compared to Sydney. So Sachi I did Woollongong with 87 00:04:37,445 --> 00:04:40,286 Speaker 2: the first two, and then my last is Sachi. I thought, 88 00:04:40,325 --> 00:04:43,286 Speaker 2: you know what, I'll go to Sydney. That's where my GP, 89 00:04:44,005 --> 00:04:46,286 Speaker 2: the OB I really liked was there. I just thought, 90 00:04:46,325 --> 00:04:50,366 Speaker 2: my last kid, maybe I'll do the trip to Sydney, 91 00:04:51,005 --> 00:04:53,205 Speaker 2: knowing I'd stay with my parents though, because I don't 92 00:04:53,246 --> 00:04:55,086 Speaker 2: think I could risk doing that hour and a half 93 00:04:55,166 --> 00:04:56,366 Speaker 2: drive in labor. 94 00:04:56,806 --> 00:05:00,085 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so you've had two beautiful births with Poppy 95 00:05:00,126 --> 00:05:03,766 Speaker 1: and GG and then you fall pregnant with Sachi. What 96 00:05:03,806 --> 00:05:05,486 Speaker 1: are your pregnancies themselves? 97 00:05:06,046 --> 00:05:06,166 Speaker 3: Like? 98 00:05:06,806 --> 00:05:10,085 Speaker 2: Trimester one Like, I don't know anyone who's had a 99 00:05:10,086 --> 00:05:14,325 Speaker 2: good trimester one really, Like they're always pretty grim. You 100 00:05:14,406 --> 00:05:17,166 Speaker 2: do feel like you just constantly ex well, I did, 101 00:05:17,325 --> 00:05:22,486 Speaker 2: constantly exhausted, hungover, just off. So yeah, trimester one's always 102 00:05:22,606 --> 00:05:26,286 Speaker 2: like that, and then two and three is pretty good. 103 00:05:26,606 --> 00:05:30,005 Speaker 2: I think I just pushed through, especially with the third. 104 00:05:30,086 --> 00:05:31,606 Speaker 2: You just have to get on with it with the 105 00:05:31,646 --> 00:05:36,366 Speaker 2: older kids, whereas I wish with Poffy and Gigi, I 106 00:05:36,406 --> 00:05:38,126 Speaker 2: took a bit more time to rest. 107 00:05:38,646 --> 00:05:41,645 Speaker 3: There's nothing to prove. You don't get you know, brownie points, 108 00:05:41,765 --> 00:05:45,046 Speaker 3: we don't you know. Just relax, you're allowed to relax. 109 00:05:45,086 --> 00:05:47,565 Speaker 2: But I feel like sometimes as women or all mums, 110 00:05:47,606 --> 00:05:50,326 Speaker 2: you just it's not to prove something. 111 00:05:50,366 --> 00:05:52,606 Speaker 3: But I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. 112 00:05:53,005 --> 00:05:56,565 Speaker 1: It's that pressure to feel like you're doing a good job, 113 00:05:56,726 --> 00:06:00,966 Speaker 1: and then it's the guilt of, oh god, I haven't 114 00:06:01,086 --> 00:06:04,006 Speaker 1: done a proper dinner tonight, so now I feel like 115 00:06:04,046 --> 00:06:06,326 Speaker 1: a bad mum, or I have missed this or did 116 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:09,686 Speaker 1: I forget Tuesday, or like, you know, all of those 117 00:06:09,726 --> 00:06:13,566 Speaker 1: things that we think about as moms and the amount 118 00:06:13,565 --> 00:06:16,286 Speaker 1: of pressure that we put on ourselves. So I completely 119 00:06:16,406 --> 00:06:19,926 Speaker 1: I understand exactly what you're talking about. But you had 120 00:06:20,046 --> 00:06:23,286 Speaker 1: really quick labors. You know, you had thirty nine weeks 121 00:06:23,325 --> 00:06:26,126 Speaker 1: for the first two, So what was your plan and 122 00:06:26,166 --> 00:06:29,445 Speaker 1: your partner's plan for baby number three? 123 00:06:30,166 --> 00:06:32,246 Speaker 2: There was a part of me that thought, you know what, 124 00:06:32,325 --> 00:06:35,005 Speaker 2: I want the future All this time, the first two 125 00:06:35,046 --> 00:06:38,366 Speaker 2: have been completely natural. I'd like to experience a different 126 00:06:38,406 --> 00:06:41,565 Speaker 2: birth because as much as I say it was positive 127 00:06:41,606 --> 00:06:45,246 Speaker 2: and I enjoyed it, it was still at the time horrific. 128 00:06:45,806 --> 00:06:48,885 Speaker 3: It's a very hard thing, so I thought, and I'm 129 00:06:48,885 --> 00:06:51,686 Speaker 3: not necessarily present. I wasn't present. 130 00:06:51,726 --> 00:06:54,646 Speaker 2: You know, you become quite animalistic, can you, you know, 131 00:06:54,765 --> 00:06:57,606 Speaker 2: you're screaming. So I thought, you know, it might be 132 00:06:57,726 --> 00:07:00,005 Speaker 2: quite nice just holding my husband's hand for this one. 133 00:07:00,486 --> 00:07:01,606 Speaker 3: But then the other side of. 134 00:07:01,606 --> 00:07:04,686 Speaker 2: Me thought, you know, I've I've done it before, I 135 00:07:04,726 --> 00:07:07,686 Speaker 2: can do it again. And there is something really empowering 136 00:07:07,726 --> 00:07:09,686 Speaker 2: about birthing in general. 137 00:07:09,886 --> 00:07:11,166 Speaker 3: So I was like, I can do this. 138 00:07:11,486 --> 00:07:14,686 Speaker 2: And I thought I'm going to go in and try 139 00:07:14,726 --> 00:07:16,446 Speaker 2: my best to do it natural. 140 00:07:16,166 --> 00:07:19,286 Speaker 3: Again, but no, you know, the options there and. 141 00:07:19,246 --> 00:07:21,766 Speaker 2: She was in the right position and everything was okay 142 00:07:22,446 --> 00:07:24,686 Speaker 2: and set to have a natural birth, so I thought 143 00:07:24,686 --> 00:07:25,446 Speaker 2: I'd give it a crack. 144 00:07:25,806 --> 00:07:27,726 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when did you head up to Sydney then? 145 00:07:27,966 --> 00:07:29,486 Speaker 3: So it was actually thirty eight weeks. 146 00:07:29,526 --> 00:07:32,686 Speaker 2: Both Poffy and Gegu came bang on thirty eight weeks, 147 00:07:32,726 --> 00:07:36,086 Speaker 2: and I thought I went to Sydney at thirty eight weeks, 148 00:07:36,126 --> 00:07:38,486 Speaker 2: but to stay with my parents, which was nice. 149 00:07:38,566 --> 00:07:39,766 Speaker 3: I said to my husband, you. 150 00:07:39,686 --> 00:07:42,006 Speaker 2: Stay in Barrel treated as a holiday. You can have 151 00:07:42,086 --> 00:07:45,806 Speaker 2: two weeks by yourself without the other two kids. I 152 00:07:45,846 --> 00:07:47,726 Speaker 2: can be in Sydney with my mum and dad to 153 00:07:47,766 --> 00:07:49,926 Speaker 2: help with the kids. It's just a nice break before 154 00:07:50,046 --> 00:07:52,606 Speaker 2: number three comes into the world. And just because the 155 00:07:52,646 --> 00:07:56,006 Speaker 2: other two came at thirty eight weeks didn't necessarily. 156 00:07:55,366 --> 00:07:56,526 Speaker 3: Mean this one would. 157 00:07:56,686 --> 00:07:58,926 Speaker 2: So I said, look, there's no point you coming up 158 00:07:59,086 --> 00:08:02,086 Speaker 2: just yet, because with you know, work and whatnot. You 159 00:08:02,126 --> 00:08:03,766 Speaker 2: just stay until I give you the call and you 160 00:08:03,806 --> 00:08:06,405 Speaker 2: just jump straight in the car. And so it was 161 00:08:06,446 --> 00:08:12,726 Speaker 2: thirty eight weeks. Admittedly I did do acupuncture. What else 162 00:08:12,766 --> 00:08:15,606 Speaker 2: did I do? The RAS relief tea. I was wanting 163 00:08:15,646 --> 00:08:17,566 Speaker 2: it to move along because I quite liked the idea 164 00:08:17,606 --> 00:08:19,766 Speaker 2: of them all being born at thirty eight weeks. But also, 165 00:08:20,246 --> 00:08:22,366 Speaker 2: you're over it, aren't you. You're so over it at 166 00:08:22,366 --> 00:08:24,526 Speaker 2: that you just want them out. 167 00:08:25,206 --> 00:08:28,766 Speaker 1: Yeah, the curb walking, the You're like, is this the 168 00:08:28,766 --> 00:08:30,606 Speaker 1: only way we're going to get this baby out? Can 169 00:08:30,646 --> 00:08:32,806 Speaker 1: somebody please just get this kid out? 170 00:08:33,126 --> 00:08:35,446 Speaker 2: I get it. My Gum's like, you should just enjoy 171 00:08:35,526 --> 00:08:38,246 Speaker 2: these two weeks, don't rush it, just relax. 172 00:08:38,326 --> 00:08:40,446 Speaker 3: You've got me here to help you. But I don't know, 173 00:08:40,446 --> 00:08:42,166 Speaker 3: there's something about just wanting to get her out. 174 00:08:42,486 --> 00:08:46,926 Speaker 1: I know you're uncomfortable, you full, Their heads have dropped 175 00:08:47,006 --> 00:08:49,806 Speaker 1: your Yeah, elvis feels full. You get a pee fifty 176 00:08:49,886 --> 00:08:52,326 Speaker 1: times a night, It's like it's a lot. So I 177 00:08:52,405 --> 00:08:57,006 Speaker 1: get that. But the craziest part of your whole story 178 00:08:57,206 --> 00:09:01,446 Speaker 1: is your husband's in bowrel and then you start to 179 00:09:01,526 --> 00:09:03,446 Speaker 1: feel a little niggle. 180 00:09:03,806 --> 00:09:07,325 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I thought it was getting to the end 181 00:09:07,366 --> 00:09:09,926 Speaker 2: of the evening. It was like eight pm on the 182 00:09:10,006 --> 00:09:11,846 Speaker 2: thirty eight week mark, and I thought, look, she's not 183 00:09:11,886 --> 00:09:15,006 Speaker 2: coming today. There goes my thirty eight weeks for all 184 00:09:15,006 --> 00:09:17,486 Speaker 2: of them. And I was watching Succession with my mum 185 00:09:18,126 --> 00:09:20,886 Speaker 2: and I could just sort of start feeling some sort 186 00:09:20,886 --> 00:09:23,086 Speaker 2: of twangs and I'm like, oh, what's going on? And 187 00:09:23,126 --> 00:09:25,366 Speaker 2: I was rolling around. My mom's like are you okay. 188 00:09:25,405 --> 00:09:27,726 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm sure, I'm okay. It's just maybe 189 00:09:27,766 --> 00:09:30,686 Speaker 2: some movement. And then we're watching another episode and it 190 00:09:30,726 --> 00:09:32,486 Speaker 2: was about nine o'clock and I thought, you know what, 191 00:09:32,726 --> 00:09:34,726 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go just have a sheller wash my hair 192 00:09:34,766 --> 00:09:35,566 Speaker 2: and put. 193 00:09:35,446 --> 00:09:38,246 Speaker 3: A faked hat on. My mom's like, what. 194 00:09:38,086 --> 00:09:40,326 Speaker 2: Is your problem? But anyways, I thought, look, I'm just 195 00:09:40,366 --> 00:09:42,126 Speaker 2: gonna get prepared in case. 196 00:09:42,846 --> 00:09:45,566 Speaker 3: And as the night went on, I could just feel 197 00:09:46,405 --> 00:09:47,285 Speaker 3: maybe this is it. 198 00:09:47,606 --> 00:09:51,566 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it, and yeah, I just got sort 199 00:09:51,566 --> 00:09:52,366 Speaker 2: of ready. 200 00:09:52,966 --> 00:09:56,566 Speaker 3: And then at about midnight I called the hospital. 201 00:09:56,606 --> 00:09:58,246 Speaker 2: You know, you've just got to let them know because hey, 202 00:09:58,326 --> 00:10:00,686 Speaker 2: you're expecting me in two weeks, but just letting you know, 203 00:10:00,726 --> 00:10:01,686 Speaker 2: it could happen tonight. 204 00:10:02,285 --> 00:10:03,766 Speaker 3: This is a bit of a random thing. 205 00:10:03,806 --> 00:10:06,686 Speaker 2: But my mom, she takes said blood pressure for her 206 00:10:07,326 --> 00:10:09,805 Speaker 2: own sort of medication. She's like, let me just take 207 00:10:09,846 --> 00:10:11,606 Speaker 2: your blood pressure just to see where it's at. And 208 00:10:11,646 --> 00:10:13,686 Speaker 2: I told the hospital that and they're like, wow, that's 209 00:10:13,806 --> 00:10:14,406 Speaker 2: really high. 210 00:10:14,486 --> 00:10:15,446 Speaker 3: I can't remember what it was. 211 00:10:15,526 --> 00:10:18,206 Speaker 2: They're like, you've actually you better come in now. And 212 00:10:18,246 --> 00:10:20,726 Speaker 2: I came in and a couple of hours later she 213 00:10:20,926 --> 00:10:21,366 Speaker 2: was worn. 214 00:10:21,726 --> 00:10:26,126 Speaker 1: Once you had felt those niggles, did you call your husband? 215 00:10:26,806 --> 00:10:27,806 Speaker 3: No? Because I didn't. 216 00:10:27,886 --> 00:10:31,526 Speaker 2: It wasn't enough, Like it was very low. I was 217 00:10:31,606 --> 00:10:34,846 Speaker 2: moving about, I was putting my town on it felt. Yeah, 218 00:10:34,926 --> 00:10:37,045 Speaker 2: it wasn't. I honestly didn't think it was going to 219 00:10:37,086 --> 00:10:39,486 Speaker 2: come back. She wasn't going to come that night. I thought, 220 00:10:39,966 --> 00:10:44,045 Speaker 2: here tomorrow thing and I'd labor potentially through the night. 221 00:10:44,126 --> 00:10:47,326 Speaker 2: It wasn't enough just yet. I thought maybe my like 222 00:10:47,446 --> 00:10:50,006 Speaker 2: waters would break. But yeah, in hindsight, I probably should have. 223 00:10:50,326 --> 00:10:52,486 Speaker 1: So when did Simon get a phone call? 224 00:10:53,126 --> 00:10:55,886 Speaker 2: So around the midnight when I knew I was gonna 225 00:10:55,926 --> 00:10:58,246 Speaker 2: have to go in, but he wasn't answering, so I 226 00:10:58,246 --> 00:11:00,246 Speaker 2: was like, okay, well he thought, you know, you can 227 00:11:00,285 --> 00:11:01,646 Speaker 2: put your phone on sleep. 228 00:11:01,366 --> 00:11:02,726 Speaker 1: Mode, I do not disturb. 229 00:11:03,006 --> 00:11:05,886 Speaker 3: You can have exceptions, he thought. He changed around. 230 00:11:05,886 --> 00:11:08,526 Speaker 2: So the phone calls started coming through around midnight when 231 00:11:08,526 --> 00:11:11,726 Speaker 2: I realized okay, couok, this is it. And then yeah, 232 00:11:11,806 --> 00:11:15,086 Speaker 2: basically every hour and then he woke up. 233 00:11:15,045 --> 00:11:16,766 Speaker 3: At six point thirty and just jumped in the car 234 00:11:16,846 --> 00:11:18,286 Speaker 3: and came to Sydney. 235 00:11:18,366 --> 00:11:22,966 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was just that's just how quickly it comes, 236 00:11:23,126 --> 00:11:26,045 Speaker 2: like it can go from just little ooh, that's interesting. 237 00:11:26,126 --> 00:11:30,766 Speaker 2: She might be getting ready to come to woom, we're on. Yeah, 238 00:11:30,886 --> 00:11:32,366 Speaker 2: And they were all like that. 239 00:11:32,366 --> 00:11:33,366 Speaker 3: Even with Gigi. 240 00:11:33,646 --> 00:11:36,246 Speaker 2: I was lying in the hospital waiting and we were 241 00:11:36,366 --> 00:11:39,006 Speaker 2: I was on my phone, we were ordering some Uber Eats. 242 00:11:39,285 --> 00:11:41,325 Speaker 2: It was sushi, and then by the time he put 243 00:11:41,405 --> 00:11:43,766 Speaker 2: the order in, she came and then the Uber came 244 00:11:43,886 --> 00:11:44,606 Speaker 2: like it just come. 245 00:11:44,766 --> 00:11:48,686 Speaker 3: It was in. So that active labor was about twenty 246 00:11:48,686 --> 00:11:49,326 Speaker 3: five minutes. 247 00:11:49,526 --> 00:11:53,846 Speaker 1: So wow, okay, so you're calling your husband. Are you panicked? 248 00:11:53,846 --> 00:11:55,486 Speaker 1: At this point? Here You're You're like, you know what, 249 00:11:55,566 --> 00:11:58,285 Speaker 1: He's asleep. He's clearly not going to get this. I'm 250 00:11:58,326 --> 00:11:59,726 Speaker 1: just going to go to the hospital with mum. 251 00:12:00,126 --> 00:12:02,646 Speaker 2: If it was my first I'd be panicked. I'd be 252 00:12:02,766 --> 00:12:05,766 Speaker 2: really on edge because it was the third. I guess 253 00:12:05,806 --> 00:12:07,086 Speaker 2: there was a part of me I was like, my 254 00:12:07,206 --> 00:12:10,726 Speaker 2: mom's here. That's really special, Like I always knew she'd 255 00:12:10,726 --> 00:12:13,446 Speaker 2: be there in the hospital with me if he wasn't there. 256 00:12:13,526 --> 00:12:17,846 Speaker 2: So I wasn't panicked, and I just knew what had happened. 257 00:12:17,886 --> 00:12:19,846 Speaker 2: I was sort of laughing about it because it was 258 00:12:19,926 --> 00:12:22,286 Speaker 2: just you know, he's going to miss the birth and 259 00:12:22,366 --> 00:12:25,285 Speaker 2: he hates blood. He was forced to cut the umbilical 260 00:12:25,326 --> 00:12:28,086 Speaker 2: cord by our ob with the first Like I was like, 261 00:12:28,126 --> 00:12:29,886 Speaker 2: it's just funny how it's worked out for him. 262 00:12:29,926 --> 00:12:32,006 Speaker 3: And yeah, I wasn't too panicked at all. 263 00:12:32,366 --> 00:12:37,205 Speaker 1: Yeah, you seem like a very chilled person. I want 264 00:12:37,206 --> 00:12:39,246 Speaker 1: to hear more about the going to the hospital. Your 265 00:12:39,285 --> 00:12:43,406 Speaker 1: mom's driving you to the hospital. You're still feeling these contractions. 266 00:12:43,726 --> 00:12:45,326 Speaker 1: Are they starting to intensify? 267 00:12:45,926 --> 00:12:49,685 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is, yeah, and I have the contraction 268 00:12:49,966 --> 00:12:54,165 Speaker 2: app so I was sort of seeing if they were contractions, 269 00:12:54,206 --> 00:12:57,086 Speaker 2: if there was an inconsistency rhythm to them. So like 270 00:12:57,246 --> 00:13:02,206 Speaker 2: nine ish about midnight, I called the hospital and then 271 00:13:02,246 --> 00:13:05,246 Speaker 2: we went in at about two. So in all this time, 272 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:08,006 Speaker 2: I yes, you could call that laboring. My waters hadn't 273 00:13:08,006 --> 00:13:11,686 Speaker 2: broken though, but I could feel things were happening. And 274 00:13:11,726 --> 00:13:14,686 Speaker 2: then when I went in two o'clock, basically when I arrived, 275 00:13:14,726 --> 00:13:16,926 Speaker 2: my waters broke, which was a really good just bit 276 00:13:17,045 --> 00:13:20,446 Speaker 2: worked out well with timing, and then we hung around. 277 00:13:20,486 --> 00:13:24,086 Speaker 3: It was my mum and I and that's when it. 278 00:13:24,006 --> 00:13:26,486 Speaker 2: Really I was still okay, like it's not sort of 279 00:13:26,566 --> 00:13:29,846 Speaker 2: I'm not bent over and howling just yet, like I'm 280 00:13:29,926 --> 00:13:33,126 Speaker 2: still okay and managing it. It wasn't until just that 281 00:13:33,326 --> 00:13:35,646 Speaker 2: end in active waybor it really ramps up for me 282 00:13:35,726 --> 00:13:38,406 Speaker 2: and I'm I'm on all fours, I'm running to the 283 00:13:38,405 --> 00:13:41,326 Speaker 2: bathroom being sick. And that's sort of when it just 284 00:13:41,405 --> 00:13:43,646 Speaker 2: picks up in that last little bit for me, where 285 00:13:43,686 --> 00:13:47,405 Speaker 2: it's just it's lucky. It's pretty chill up until that 286 00:13:47,566 --> 00:13:49,246 Speaker 2: last bit, it's just it's on. 287 00:13:49,646 --> 00:13:51,606 Speaker 1: Did you sort of get a check when you got 288 00:13:51,606 --> 00:13:53,405 Speaker 1: into the hospital after your order. 289 00:13:53,206 --> 00:13:56,246 Speaker 2: Broke, Yeah, so she checked to make sure, yep, confirm 290 00:13:56,285 --> 00:13:58,846 Speaker 2: my waters have broken. And then I had the option 291 00:13:59,126 --> 00:14:01,526 Speaker 2: if I wanted to stay in the hospital or go 292 00:14:01,606 --> 00:14:03,766 Speaker 2: home and labor more at home. But just based on 293 00:14:03,806 --> 00:14:06,405 Speaker 2: my experience with the other two coming so quickly, they said, 294 00:14:06,566 --> 00:14:08,565 Speaker 2: just stay in the hospital. You've got your mum here, 295 00:14:08,566 --> 00:14:10,406 Speaker 2: we're here as well. It was really early hours of 296 00:14:10,446 --> 00:14:13,166 Speaker 2: the morning. They said, we'll give eu ob a call 297 00:14:13,206 --> 00:14:16,966 Speaker 2: it like five five thirty. He also missed the birth 298 00:14:17,165 --> 00:14:19,806 Speaker 2: as well. It just sort of happened. 299 00:14:20,286 --> 00:14:22,566 Speaker 1: Can we get a refund for that? 300 00:14:22,966 --> 00:14:26,926 Speaker 3: I would say, what what are we paying for? Yeah? 301 00:14:27,046 --> 00:14:29,206 Speaker 1: What were you dilated at when you got into the hospital. 302 00:14:29,286 --> 00:14:29,766 Speaker 1: Do you remember? 303 00:14:30,006 --> 00:14:30,966 Speaker 3: Four or five? 304 00:14:31,246 --> 00:14:34,326 Speaker 2: Okay, it was enough, but not enough for them to 305 00:14:34,446 --> 00:14:37,486 Speaker 2: be alarmed or sort of be all eyes on me 306 00:14:37,566 --> 00:14:39,966 Speaker 2: at this point. They just said, you know, shout out 307 00:14:40,006 --> 00:14:43,206 Speaker 2: if you really need me. But it's even at that 308 00:14:43,326 --> 00:14:45,686 Speaker 2: four or five. You know, it's different for everyone. It's 309 00:14:45,766 --> 00:14:49,606 Speaker 2: just I'm not necessarily I'm contracting, and those contractions hurt, 310 00:14:49,726 --> 00:14:53,205 Speaker 2: but in between I'm still pretty okay. I think I 311 00:14:53,246 --> 00:14:56,806 Speaker 2: was like on my phone in between, even at four 312 00:14:56,886 --> 00:14:59,366 Speaker 2: or five, and then yeah, on all fours again. 313 00:14:59,086 --> 00:15:01,846 Speaker 3: For the contraction, and then back again on my phone. 314 00:15:01,886 --> 00:15:05,206 Speaker 2: So I just it's not too bad until it hits 315 00:15:05,246 --> 00:15:08,526 Speaker 2: that eight centimeters dilated for me, where it just yeah, well, 316 00:15:08,606 --> 00:15:09,446 Speaker 2: hell breaks loose. 317 00:15:09,966 --> 00:15:12,726 Speaker 1: Just the way that you describe it sounds like your 318 00:15:12,766 --> 00:15:17,366 Speaker 1: body is made to birth, and that's incredible. Coming up. 319 00:15:18,206 --> 00:15:23,166 Speaker 2: It feels almost euphoric, like you feel like a warrior princess. 320 00:15:23,246 --> 00:15:29,366 Speaker 3: It's just sort of done this huge thing. So you 321 00:15:29,366 --> 00:15:29,806 Speaker 3: get to your. 322 00:15:29,806 --> 00:15:34,486 Speaker 1: Eight centimeters and nine ten. You're in this transition phase. 323 00:15:34,566 --> 00:15:38,566 Speaker 1: It's really hurting. Your mom's there with you. The husband's 324 00:15:38,566 --> 00:15:43,206 Speaker 1: asleep having a lovely rest. The O bes asleep summer, 325 00:15:43,766 --> 00:15:48,646 Speaker 1: the OB's asleep, and the midwife says, okay, we're ready 326 00:15:48,646 --> 00:15:48,926 Speaker 1: to push. 327 00:15:49,046 --> 00:15:49,846 Speaker 3: I actually am. 328 00:15:50,486 --> 00:15:52,806 Speaker 2: I don't know if you got this, but I've vomited 329 00:15:52,846 --> 00:15:55,566 Speaker 2: with all three of mine as well. That's a sign 330 00:15:55,686 --> 00:15:57,686 Speaker 2: for me that I'm going to go into labor. 331 00:15:58,166 --> 00:16:00,326 Speaker 3: So I was there, I was contracting and I. 332 00:16:00,246 --> 00:16:02,166 Speaker 2: Was sort of on all fours and I was asking 333 00:16:02,246 --> 00:16:04,526 Speaker 2: for the gas and they gave me it, but it 334 00:16:04,566 --> 00:16:07,006 Speaker 2: was like it turned so low, Like mom, can you 335 00:16:07,206 --> 00:16:08,046 Speaker 2: crank that up? 336 00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:09,006 Speaker 3: I need more. 337 00:16:10,246 --> 00:16:13,006 Speaker 2: But there was a big contraction where I said I 338 00:16:13,046 --> 00:16:14,286 Speaker 2: just need to go to the bathroom. 339 00:16:14,286 --> 00:16:15,166 Speaker 3: I'm going to be sick. 340 00:16:15,806 --> 00:16:18,286 Speaker 2: And I went to the bathroom and then I just 341 00:16:18,326 --> 00:16:20,766 Speaker 2: sort of collapsed and I was like, yeah, I need 342 00:16:20,806 --> 00:16:21,326 Speaker 2: a push. 343 00:16:21,406 --> 00:16:21,926 Speaker 3: This is it. 344 00:16:21,966 --> 00:16:24,246 Speaker 2: So I was over in the bathroom at this point 345 00:16:24,726 --> 00:16:26,286 Speaker 2: and they're like, do you want to give birth? 346 00:16:26,366 --> 00:16:26,846 Speaker 3: Down there? 347 00:16:26,966 --> 00:16:28,566 Speaker 2: I was like I was trying to get a mat 348 00:16:28,646 --> 00:16:30,606 Speaker 2: out for me to give birth by the toilet. 349 00:16:31,006 --> 00:16:32,726 Speaker 3: I was like, no, I can make it back up 350 00:16:32,726 --> 00:16:33,366 Speaker 3: onto the bed. 351 00:16:35,766 --> 00:16:38,486 Speaker 2: So I crawled up onto the bed and lay down. 352 00:16:38,726 --> 00:16:41,246 Speaker 2: All my burths have been just in that position where 353 00:16:41,246 --> 00:16:43,726 Speaker 2: I am on my back. My mum was holding my 354 00:16:43,806 --> 00:16:47,166 Speaker 2: hand and they just said, this is it. You need 355 00:16:47,206 --> 00:16:50,526 Speaker 2: to push, and they raced in and it was there. 356 00:16:50,566 --> 00:16:52,846 Speaker 2: And I don't know, if it's just your body, you 357 00:16:52,926 --> 00:16:55,326 Speaker 2: do actually get used to it. But I do find 358 00:16:55,406 --> 00:16:59,206 Speaker 2: the first poppy was the hardest by far in terms 359 00:16:59,206 --> 00:17:02,086 Speaker 2: of that ring of fire and that feeling of pushing. 360 00:17:02,766 --> 00:17:05,126 Speaker 2: But with Gigi and then SARChI and the ball being 361 00:17:05,166 --> 00:17:07,846 Speaker 2: the same size, it does get easier. So I guess 362 00:17:07,926 --> 00:17:10,606 Speaker 2: if it's your body used to just stretching out to 363 00:17:10,646 --> 00:17:11,446 Speaker 2: that size. 364 00:17:11,806 --> 00:17:13,966 Speaker 3: But yeah, she came out. My mum cut the and 365 00:17:14,046 --> 00:17:14,766 Speaker 3: bilical cord. 366 00:17:14,966 --> 00:17:16,286 Speaker 1: How many how many pushes? 367 00:17:16,526 --> 00:17:16,926 Speaker 3: Three? 368 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:20,886 Speaker 1: Three pushes and she was out. Yeah, she comes out. 369 00:17:21,046 --> 00:17:22,926 Speaker 1: She's on straight onto your chest. 370 00:17:23,486 --> 00:17:24,686 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got. 371 00:17:24,486 --> 00:17:26,566 Speaker 1: Your mum with you, and your mom must have been 372 00:17:26,606 --> 00:17:27,686 Speaker 1: so thrilled to be. 373 00:17:27,686 --> 00:17:29,926 Speaker 3: With you and me too. It was really special. She 374 00:17:30,006 --> 00:17:33,286 Speaker 3: was bowling her eyes out and yeah, it was really sweet. 375 00:17:33,846 --> 00:17:38,046 Speaker 2: I did, actually, I should say with the pushes with Poppy, 376 00:17:38,246 --> 00:17:40,205 Speaker 2: and it was all just by first, and it was 377 00:17:40,366 --> 00:17:43,166 Speaker 2: so crazy, and I just wanted to push, and I 378 00:17:43,286 --> 00:17:47,366 Speaker 2: was really like grunting pushing, and I actually tore, I 379 00:17:47,406 --> 00:17:52,206 Speaker 2: think with it one or two degree tear. And then 380 00:17:52,446 --> 00:17:55,686 Speaker 2: I learned that by Gigi and then Sachi it's just 381 00:17:55,726 --> 00:17:58,926 Speaker 2: those little pilate pushes and pumps that you should do 382 00:17:59,046 --> 00:18:00,606 Speaker 2: instead of those big grunts. 383 00:18:00,686 --> 00:18:02,766 Speaker 3: Like I just thought the bigger, the better to get 384 00:18:02,766 --> 00:18:04,286 Speaker 3: this child out of me. 385 00:18:04,806 --> 00:18:07,326 Speaker 2: So I was really pushing, but by such she I'd 386 00:18:07,406 --> 00:18:13,086 Speaker 2: learn it was just like to get them out without tearing, 387 00:18:13,446 --> 00:18:14,566 Speaker 2: and that happened. 388 00:18:14,966 --> 00:18:15,886 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know. 389 00:18:15,926 --> 00:18:18,606 Speaker 1: I think that's such a big things. Like I've spoken 390 00:18:18,606 --> 00:18:22,886 Speaker 1: about this before, the learning how to push, and something 391 00:18:23,166 --> 00:18:27,046 Speaker 1: challenging with an epidural is depending on how strong it is, 392 00:18:27,086 --> 00:18:31,926 Speaker 1: sometimes you cannot feel how you're pushing. So it is 393 00:18:32,086 --> 00:18:35,486 Speaker 1: really important to learn that because your body knows when 394 00:18:35,646 --> 00:18:39,526 Speaker 1: to kind of ease the baby out, I guess. But yeah, 395 00:18:39,566 --> 00:18:43,326 Speaker 1: that it's amazing that through subsequent pregnancies you kind of learned, 396 00:18:44,086 --> 00:18:46,166 Speaker 1: all right, this is going to be a better way 397 00:18:46,206 --> 00:18:46,606 Speaker 1: to push. 398 00:18:46,886 --> 00:18:50,486 Speaker 2: It's almost opposite to what the midwife is saying like, 399 00:18:50,646 --> 00:18:53,126 Speaker 2: big push, now, big push, and that sort of to 400 00:18:53,206 --> 00:18:55,966 Speaker 2: me means just all your force into it. But yeah, 401 00:18:56,006 --> 00:18:59,286 Speaker 2: it's just yeah that learning to do the push, but 402 00:18:59,366 --> 00:19:01,486 Speaker 2: more from internally pushing. 403 00:19:01,806 --> 00:19:04,446 Speaker 3: So yeah, that was yeah, three or four pushes and 404 00:19:04,486 --> 00:19:05,806 Speaker 3: then she was out. 405 00:19:06,366 --> 00:19:09,326 Speaker 1: She was out. She was on your chest and you 406 00:19:09,406 --> 00:19:12,046 Speaker 1: and your mom plt some time together and your mom 407 00:19:12,366 --> 00:19:13,046 Speaker 1: cut the cord. 408 00:19:13,406 --> 00:19:13,806 Speaker 3: Yeah. 409 00:19:14,006 --> 00:19:16,966 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we facetimed in. My husband he was 410 00:19:17,046 --> 00:19:18,806 Speaker 2: zooming up the highway to Sydney. 411 00:19:18,886 --> 00:19:20,686 Speaker 1: Okay, wait, wait, I've got to I gotta get this 412 00:19:20,726 --> 00:19:23,046 Speaker 1: bee right. So he finally wakes up. He wakes up 413 00:19:23,046 --> 00:19:23,646 Speaker 1: at six. 414 00:19:24,006 --> 00:19:26,766 Speaker 3: When was SARChI born five fifteen? 415 00:19:27,126 --> 00:19:30,926 Speaker 1: Okay, so he wakes up to what he just said. 416 00:19:30,966 --> 00:19:33,686 Speaker 2: He looked at his phone and it was multiple like 417 00:19:33,766 --> 00:19:37,366 Speaker 2: twenty miss calls, text messages from me, my mom, everyone, 418 00:19:37,966 --> 00:19:40,606 Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, it's happened, like he almost knew, 419 00:19:40,966 --> 00:19:43,086 Speaker 2: and then just called me straight away, and then I 420 00:19:43,126 --> 00:19:46,686 Speaker 2: put it on FaceTime and introduced her and he chose 421 00:19:46,766 --> 00:19:49,846 Speaker 2: her name SARChI, So he was like, hi, Sachi, like 422 00:19:49,886 --> 00:19:52,406 Speaker 2: knew straight away. It wasn't who's this or what's the 423 00:19:52,486 --> 00:19:54,846 Speaker 2: sex and he just jumped straight in the car and 424 00:19:55,446 --> 00:19:56,206 Speaker 2: came to Sydney. 425 00:19:56,566 --> 00:19:59,806 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining him waking up and looking at his 426 00:19:59,886 --> 00:20:03,326 Speaker 1: phone and going, oh, okay, so I've just missed. Yeah, 427 00:20:03,366 --> 00:20:07,166 Speaker 1: how does he feel about missing Sachi's birth? Is almost like, well, 428 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:09,406 Speaker 1: I've had two, so I know what it's like. 429 00:20:09,846 --> 00:20:12,246 Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's the type where if he sees the 430 00:20:12,286 --> 00:20:16,006 Speaker 2: slightest bit of blood, he fades like he really can't 431 00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:18,766 Speaker 2: stand blood. And the first he didn't want to go 432 00:20:18,886 --> 00:20:22,046 Speaker 2: anywhere near that end with my first pregnancy or second. 433 00:20:22,406 --> 00:20:24,246 Speaker 2: But the ob was like, you need to come on, 434 00:20:24,326 --> 00:20:24,886 Speaker 2: cut the cord. 435 00:20:24,966 --> 00:20:25,526 Speaker 3: Cut the cord. 436 00:20:25,846 --> 00:20:28,086 Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, he needed to pull the head out. 437 00:20:28,126 --> 00:20:30,486 Speaker 2: He pulled Poppy out. He goes, no, no, no, I 438 00:20:30,526 --> 00:20:32,846 Speaker 2: can't do that. Thising, come on, put your gloves on. 439 00:20:32,886 --> 00:20:35,846 Speaker 2: In his fiddling about and I was like, just hurry up, 440 00:20:36,006 --> 00:20:39,046 Speaker 2: someone get this kid out of me. So he was 441 00:20:39,086 --> 00:20:40,286 Speaker 2: almost traumatized by that. 442 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:42,566 Speaker 3: So he looked. I think maybe. 443 00:20:42,246 --> 00:20:44,366 Speaker 2: There's a part of him that regrets not being there, 444 00:20:44,406 --> 00:20:48,086 Speaker 2: but I think he was pretty happy in bed and 445 00:20:48,206 --> 00:20:50,966 Speaker 2: happy to meet above when all the mess was cleaned up. 446 00:20:51,926 --> 00:20:54,006 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's like the nineteen fifties are all 447 00:20:54,046 --> 00:20:56,846 Speaker 1: waiting in the room smoking their cigars drinking. There is 448 00:20:56,846 --> 00:20:59,046 Speaker 1: my baby here, yeah, like and that. 449 00:20:59,166 --> 00:21:00,926 Speaker 2: Wasn't bit where I was like, you know, it's actually 450 00:21:01,206 --> 00:21:03,246 Speaker 2: kind of had wanted my mum to be there to 451 00:21:03,286 --> 00:21:05,046 Speaker 2: cut the cord. So even if he was there, I'd 452 00:21:05,086 --> 00:21:08,166 Speaker 2: be like, Mom, you do it. 453 00:21:07,366 --> 00:21:09,126 Speaker 1: Was your mom there for all three of your berths. 454 00:21:09,726 --> 00:21:11,886 Speaker 3: No, no, no, it was always just Simon. 455 00:21:12,206 --> 00:21:14,646 Speaker 1: That's a beautiful special moment for you and your mom 456 00:21:14,686 --> 00:21:15,166 Speaker 1: to share. 457 00:21:15,646 --> 00:21:17,926 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was really special. 458 00:21:18,166 --> 00:21:21,566 Speaker 1: And tell me about Simon meeting Sachi for the first 459 00:21:21,566 --> 00:21:23,206 Speaker 1: time when he finally gets to Sydney. 460 00:21:23,646 --> 00:21:27,806 Speaker 2: Yeah, he sort of just waltzed on in with some coffees. 461 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:32,606 Speaker 3: For all of us and sat down and yeah, O 462 00:21:32,646 --> 00:21:35,286 Speaker 3: gave Ri cuddle, did their Chester chest skin on skin. 463 00:21:36,086 --> 00:21:38,246 Speaker 2: He hates all the blood and stuff, so he cleaned 464 00:21:38,246 --> 00:21:40,246 Speaker 2: her up straight away and all the white stuff you 465 00:21:40,246 --> 00:21:42,246 Speaker 2: meant to keep on her a bit because let's get. 466 00:21:42,206 --> 00:21:42,526 Speaker 3: Rid of this. 467 00:21:43,646 --> 00:21:46,446 Speaker 2: But no, he was You could just you know when 468 00:21:46,446 --> 00:21:49,486 Speaker 2: they're just almost shop like his pupils were so big, 469 00:21:49,566 --> 00:21:51,006 Speaker 2: like it was all sort of you can tell her 470 00:21:51,086 --> 00:21:53,646 Speaker 2: he was running on adrenaline just as much as I was. 471 00:21:54,126 --> 00:21:56,166 Speaker 2: And yeah, it was nice. So he had some good 472 00:21:56,206 --> 00:21:58,886 Speaker 2: bonding time. And just made sure it was, yeah, an 473 00:21:58,926 --> 00:22:02,686 Speaker 2: extra long bonding session of the Chester chest, so he 474 00:22:02,766 --> 00:22:04,766 Speaker 2: had some time alone. I think we left him in 475 00:22:04,806 --> 00:22:06,205 Speaker 2: the room for a bit so he could have that 476 00:22:06,246 --> 00:22:07,166 Speaker 2: moment with Sashi. 477 00:22:07,726 --> 00:22:12,206 Speaker 1: You did mention a little bit about the oxytocin high, 478 00:22:12,326 --> 00:22:15,846 Speaker 1: the high that you feel after giving birth, and I've 479 00:22:15,886 --> 00:22:18,406 Speaker 1: heard this from a few other women who've given birth 480 00:22:18,486 --> 00:22:23,526 Speaker 1: vaginally without medication. Can you tell me about that high 481 00:22:23,606 --> 00:22:24,286 Speaker 1: that you feel. 482 00:22:24,726 --> 00:22:27,126 Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels almost euphoric. 483 00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:32,846 Speaker 2: Especially, it's just this overwhelming, like you feel like a 484 00:22:33,046 --> 00:22:37,726 Speaker 2: warrior princess. It's just sort of done this huge thing 485 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:41,926 Speaker 2: and the rush, and I guess and it lasts almost 486 00:22:41,966 --> 00:22:47,446 Speaker 2: like forty eight hours, just this high of like I guess, 487 00:22:47,486 --> 00:22:51,006 Speaker 2: maybe pride and happiness that you've got this beautiful child, 488 00:22:51,006 --> 00:22:54,166 Speaker 2: but it's more about your You just feel so proud. 489 00:22:54,366 --> 00:22:56,286 Speaker 3: Is a good word for it. Maybe it's just yeah, 490 00:22:56,326 --> 00:22:57,126 Speaker 3: it's incredible. 491 00:22:57,326 --> 00:23:00,606 Speaker 2: But then I guess with any upcomes the down and 492 00:23:00,646 --> 00:23:04,086 Speaker 2: they talk about the is it the three day baby blues? 493 00:23:04,206 --> 00:23:07,166 Speaker 1: Oh god? Those That's the one thing I worn first 494 00:23:07,166 --> 00:23:09,366 Speaker 1: time mums about. I said, day five you were going 495 00:23:09,446 --> 00:23:11,686 Speaker 1: to feel a dip, Yes, you were going to be 496 00:23:11,926 --> 00:23:12,806 Speaker 1: really sad. 497 00:23:13,286 --> 00:23:15,806 Speaker 2: Yes, and I felt those big time as well. So 498 00:23:15,846 --> 00:23:19,726 Speaker 2: I might have felt the high initially a lot the intensity, 499 00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:21,566 Speaker 2: but then I also felt the lows. And I just 500 00:23:21,646 --> 00:23:24,686 Speaker 2: remember being in like a breastfeeding class and I was 501 00:23:24,726 --> 00:23:28,206 Speaker 2: just doing anything to try and distract myself from crying. 502 00:23:28,286 --> 00:23:29,526 Speaker 3: And I know what am I doing? 503 00:23:29,566 --> 00:23:31,406 Speaker 2: And I was just trying to like online shop or 504 00:23:31,446 --> 00:23:35,246 Speaker 2: just something to distract myself, and anything was making me cry. 505 00:23:35,486 --> 00:23:38,646 Speaker 2: And that is I warned mums about the baby blues 506 00:23:38,726 --> 00:23:42,406 Speaker 2: and also the engagement of the boobs, Like I don't 507 00:23:42,406 --> 00:23:45,446 Speaker 2: think anyone warns you about how he engaged your boobs. Cat, 508 00:23:45,926 --> 00:23:49,646 Speaker 2: And yeah, you're so uncomfortable. You've got the blues and 509 00:23:49,686 --> 00:23:51,966 Speaker 2: you feel low and sad, and you're like, what have 510 00:23:52,126 --> 00:23:53,846 Speaker 2: I done with my life? 511 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:59,446 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it all settles down and yeah, it all 512 00:23:59,486 --> 00:24:03,006 Speaker 3: sort of evens itself out. But yeah, euphoric high. It's 513 00:24:03,166 --> 00:24:05,726 Speaker 3: it's incredible, and I think it's just it's it. 514 00:24:05,726 --> 00:24:08,926 Speaker 2: It's the hardest thing I've ever ever done, and I 515 00:24:08,926 --> 00:24:10,526 Speaker 2: think a lot of women it's the hardest thing they 516 00:24:10,526 --> 00:24:13,926 Speaker 2: ever go through. So maybe that's where that pride comes from, 517 00:24:13,966 --> 00:24:15,886 Speaker 2: Like you can actually do something like that. 518 00:24:16,446 --> 00:24:19,766 Speaker 1: I mean, I obviously have had very different experiences to you, 519 00:24:19,886 --> 00:24:23,566 Speaker 1: but I definitely do still feel and I think every 520 00:24:23,606 --> 00:24:26,326 Speaker 1: woman should, no matter the way that they give birth, 521 00:24:27,246 --> 00:24:33,366 Speaker 1: is that immense feeling of pride and amazement at what 522 00:24:33,646 --> 00:24:36,846 Speaker 1: our bodies can do. The first thing I said when 523 00:24:36,886 --> 00:24:40,286 Speaker 1: my first baby came out was I've been waiting for 524 00:24:40,326 --> 00:24:46,166 Speaker 1: you for so long. And it's that like love, you know, And. 525 00:24:46,166 --> 00:24:48,886 Speaker 2: The amount of times I was saying I can't do this, 526 00:24:49,086 --> 00:24:50,926 Speaker 2: I can't do this, I can't do this. 527 00:24:51,166 --> 00:24:53,806 Speaker 3: You can, you can, the midwives you can. You almost 528 00:24:53,806 --> 00:24:56,726 Speaker 3: say I can't do this. So I think it's the finally, like. 529 00:24:56,646 --> 00:24:59,806 Speaker 2: You, you do do it, and we do do it, 530 00:25:00,086 --> 00:25:02,566 Speaker 2: and here's the baby that you have been waiting for 531 00:25:02,646 --> 00:25:06,006 Speaker 2: in all your life, you know, even that nine months 532 00:25:06,006 --> 00:25:08,326 Speaker 2: you've been growing this thing and feeling the kicks and 533 00:25:09,206 --> 00:25:14,206 Speaker 2: just seeing their face and you've been visualizing, visualizing and 534 00:25:14,206 --> 00:25:16,246 Speaker 2: imagining for the past nine months or you know, your 535 00:25:16,286 --> 00:25:18,966 Speaker 2: life what they would look like, and then you see 536 00:25:19,006 --> 00:25:21,366 Speaker 2: their little swished up face, even though that's nothing what 537 00:25:21,406 --> 00:25:26,286 Speaker 2: they'll eventually look like, but yeah, it's pretty spectacular. 538 00:25:26,446 --> 00:25:28,566 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I do anything for that feeling. 539 00:25:28,566 --> 00:25:31,886 Speaker 2: Although this after Gigi, the first thing I said is 540 00:25:31,966 --> 00:25:33,446 Speaker 2: I'm never doing this again. 541 00:25:34,486 --> 00:25:37,965 Speaker 1: Okay, So now that Sachi's nine months, has that feeling 542 00:25:38,046 --> 00:25:39,886 Speaker 1: of I'm never doing this again gone away. 543 00:25:40,406 --> 00:25:44,606 Speaker 3: I would love another one. I'm so ready to go now, 544 00:25:44,766 --> 00:25:45,846 Speaker 3: like I would love. 545 00:25:45,846 --> 00:25:48,406 Speaker 2: And you know, you sort of get that feeling where 546 00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:51,406 Speaker 2: you're looking at baby names, you're thinking little things. 547 00:25:51,766 --> 00:25:53,326 Speaker 3: I'm there, ready to go. 548 00:25:53,966 --> 00:25:58,886 Speaker 2: My husband was said on two and we compromised at three. 549 00:25:59,246 --> 00:26:01,526 Speaker 2: So I'm sort of about that challenging spot where I 550 00:26:01,526 --> 00:26:05,126 Speaker 2: would really love another one, but he was so set 551 00:26:05,166 --> 00:26:09,806 Speaker 2: on who I just don't want to have, Like we've 552 00:26:09,806 --> 00:26:13,726 Speaker 2: got such a beautiful, healthy relationship and with our three 553 00:26:13,846 --> 00:26:17,606 Speaker 2: healthy kids, adding another child into the mix, where he 554 00:26:17,686 --> 00:26:19,526 Speaker 2: was so adamant not too. I don't want that to 555 00:26:19,606 --> 00:26:23,046 Speaker 2: disrupt our unit and union at the moment. So we 556 00:26:23,246 --> 00:26:24,446 Speaker 2: just we've got to figure that out. 557 00:26:24,646 --> 00:26:27,086 Speaker 1: You know what you've got, You've got some time and 558 00:26:27,126 --> 00:26:29,806 Speaker 1: you can always like go back and thinking about it 559 00:26:29,886 --> 00:26:32,846 Speaker 1: and talk about it and stuff like that. But thank 560 00:26:32,886 --> 00:26:36,406 Speaker 1: you for sharing such a positive and beautiful story with us. 561 00:26:36,926 --> 00:26:39,326 Speaker 1: Absolute pleasure to talk to you and thank you for 562 00:26:39,366 --> 00:26:40,166 Speaker 1: sharing your story. 563 00:26:40,326 --> 00:26:41,126 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 564 00:26:44,726 --> 00:26:48,966 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask our resident obstrician and gynecologist doctor 565 00:26:49,006 --> 00:26:52,606 Speaker 1: Browmin Devine, if there is a genetic component to being 566 00:26:52,646 --> 00:26:53,646 Speaker 1: a good berth. 567 00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:56,406 Speaker 4: In terms of being a good bertha, you know people 568 00:26:56,446 --> 00:26:58,766 Speaker 4: you say, oh, she's got childbearing hips. That used to 569 00:26:58,806 --> 00:27:00,566 Speaker 4: be something that people said when I was growing up, 570 00:27:00,566 --> 00:27:02,286 Speaker 4: she's got good child bearing hips, And it was often 571 00:27:02,326 --> 00:27:06,646 Speaker 4: the way someone was possibly quite covacious on the outside, 572 00:27:06,686 --> 00:27:10,126 Speaker 4: so they had a cavaceous pair of hips or something 573 00:27:10,206 --> 00:27:12,806 Speaker 4: like that, which doesn't really have any impact on whether 574 00:27:12,846 --> 00:27:15,966 Speaker 4: someone's going to be able to have an easy birth 575 00:27:16,046 --> 00:27:19,446 Speaker 4: or not. Definitely, when you talk about genetics, there are 576 00:27:19,486 --> 00:27:22,166 Speaker 4: a lot of factors that come into play whether someone's 577 00:27:22,206 --> 00:27:25,406 Speaker 4: going to have a straightforward labor or a complicated labor. 578 00:27:25,926 --> 00:27:29,446 Speaker 4: But there is a reasonable input from someone's bone structure 579 00:27:29,446 --> 00:27:31,766 Speaker 4: on the size and the shape of the inlet of 580 00:27:31,806 --> 00:27:34,406 Speaker 4: their pulvis and the outlet of their pulvis. And we've 581 00:27:34,406 --> 00:27:37,406 Speaker 4: always sort of said in obstetrics that women who are 582 00:27:37,606 --> 00:27:40,566 Speaker 4: smaller or shorter don't have so much height and have 583 00:27:40,726 --> 00:27:43,926 Speaker 4: little feet, so foot size four or four and a 584 00:27:43,966 --> 00:27:47,046 Speaker 4: half five. We often look at people's feet and think, 585 00:27:47,086 --> 00:27:49,486 Speaker 4: all goodness, I wonder how you're going to go in labor, 586 00:27:49,886 --> 00:27:54,126 Speaker 4: because people with little small feet often have smaller pelvies 587 00:27:54,166 --> 00:27:56,926 Speaker 4: as well, and certainly that can be something that runs 588 00:27:57,006 --> 00:27:59,725 Speaker 4: in families. Again, when I started my training, we used 589 00:27:59,726 --> 00:28:02,366 Speaker 4: to do this silly business where we'd get cat scans 590 00:28:02,406 --> 00:28:05,886 Speaker 4: of people's pelvis and measure the inside diameters of their 591 00:28:05,926 --> 00:28:08,966 Speaker 4: pelvis and then try and make assumptions about whether that 592 00:28:09,246 --> 00:28:10,926 Speaker 4: would mean they're going to be able to have a 593 00:28:11,006 --> 00:28:14,486 Speaker 4: vaginal birth or not. And all that just showed us 594 00:28:14,486 --> 00:28:18,206 Speaker 4: that it wasn't a very particularly accurate way of determining 595 00:28:18,406 --> 00:28:20,766 Speaker 4: people's birth outcomes at all. So it's all gone by 596 00:28:20,806 --> 00:28:24,205 Speaker 4: the wayside. But it's absolutely true that some people have 597 00:28:24,646 --> 00:28:30,246 Speaker 4: quick and relatively straightforward labors and others have really long, slow, difficult, 598 00:28:30,726 --> 00:28:35,166 Speaker 4: frankly mean and nasty labors, and it's got very little 599 00:28:35,166 --> 00:28:36,886 Speaker 4: to do at the end of the day. And how 600 00:28:36,966 --> 00:28:39,806 Speaker 4: motivated you are or how much you want to birth vaginally, 601 00:28:39,846 --> 00:28:42,486 Speaker 4: there's a whole bunch of factors, the size and shape 602 00:28:42,486 --> 00:28:45,686 Speaker 4: of your pelvis being one, but also the size and 603 00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:48,766 Speaker 4: shape of your bub's head and how the head's positioned 604 00:28:48,766 --> 00:28:52,566 Speaker 4: in relation to your pelvis, and whether the placenta's going 605 00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:55,246 Speaker 4: to cope with the whole of labor and get the 606 00:28:55,286 --> 00:28:58,166 Speaker 4: bub through without having a bit of a hissy fit 607 00:28:58,206 --> 00:29:00,086 Speaker 4: halfway through the labor and decide it doesn't want to 608 00:29:00,086 --> 00:29:03,246 Speaker 4: work anymore. So there's lots and lots of reasons why 609 00:29:03,286 --> 00:29:06,366 Speaker 4: a birth would go in one direction or another. But 610 00:29:06,646 --> 00:29:09,326 Speaker 4: certainly if a person comes in and said, look, you know, 611 00:29:09,686 --> 00:29:12,406 Speaker 4: I've got a family history, all of women in my 612 00:29:12,566 --> 00:29:16,766 Speaker 4: family birth really easily, there is something about that you 613 00:29:16,846 --> 00:29:18,206 Speaker 4: think good. 614 00:29:18,966 --> 00:29:22,726 Speaker 1: And can doctor Devine explain what the high is that 615 00:29:22,766 --> 00:29:24,806 Speaker 1: some women experience after birth. 616 00:29:25,326 --> 00:29:28,206 Speaker 4: It's very complex. Obviously it's not just one thing. But 617 00:29:28,646 --> 00:29:31,286 Speaker 4: I think most people are aware that oxytocin, which is 618 00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:35,046 Speaker 4: the hormone that is released in labor to allow your 619 00:29:35,166 --> 00:29:38,366 Speaker 4: uterus to contract, is also known as the cuddle hormone, 620 00:29:38,406 --> 00:29:41,406 Speaker 4: so it's also released in the post orgasmic state to 621 00:29:41,526 --> 00:29:44,606 Speaker 4: make people sort of feel very smoochy and happy and 622 00:29:44,806 --> 00:29:50,166 Speaker 4: close and cuddly. So that's an interesting sort of correlation there. Also, 623 00:29:50,446 --> 00:29:53,726 Speaker 4: I mean, there must be a range of neurotransmitters that 624 00:29:53,766 --> 00:29:56,966 Speaker 4: are buzzing around in your brain after going through something 625 00:29:57,006 --> 00:30:01,206 Speaker 4: like a labor, which is really, you know, a phenomenally 626 00:30:01,886 --> 00:30:06,446 Speaker 4: intense and really hard work time for your body and 627 00:30:06,526 --> 00:30:11,086 Speaker 4: your psyche and your hormonal system. And everything, so that 628 00:30:11,206 --> 00:30:14,766 Speaker 4: must release a number of neurotransmitters that can bring that 629 00:30:14,806 --> 00:30:17,646 Speaker 4: sort of dopamine and things that bring that real sort 630 00:30:17,686 --> 00:30:25,766 Speaker 4: of high. 631 00:30:22,406 --> 00:30:25,206 Speaker 1: Diary of a Birth was hosted by me Cassamue Lukitch 632 00:30:25,246 --> 00:30:29,166 Speaker 1: with expert input from Dr browin Devine. 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