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Speaker 1: So much.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast.

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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 1: Brodning and today I'm joined once again.

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Speaker 2: By Kelly McCarron.

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Speaker 3: And I'm surprised that you let me come back after

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Speaker 3: yesterday's little gap.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if you haven't listened to yesterday's episode, we had

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Speaker 1: quite a moment of reckoning where I thought you were

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Speaker 1: joking about not knowing what the Joker movie was about,

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Speaker 1: and you were very serious of thinking.

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Speaker 3: Genuinely so shocked that it wasn't to that film with

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Speaker 1: Well that's okay, because today we're talking about something that

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Speaker 1: is much more. I think you're an expert in this field,

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Speaker 1: I would say, because we are talking to a lot

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Speaker 1: of opinions. No, but in this you do have a

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Speaker 1: lot of also background knowledge you're going to bring to

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Speaker 1: the table. And on today's episode, we are talking about

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Speaker 1: Ariana Grande. She's got a new interview a lie Detected

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Speaker 1: test that is going very viral, where she is refuting

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Speaker 1: some plastic surgery claims. We're going to get into that.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those topics that can be a bit

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Speaker 1: difficult sometimes dive into. Yes, but that's what we do, hear,

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Speaker 1: I'm not skilled. No.

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Speaker 3: But first, Tommy Fury is releasing an autobiography, Lightning Can

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Speaker 3: Strike Twice My Life as a Fury later on in

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Speaker 3: the week. Now quick reminder, if you forgot absolutely no

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Speaker 3: one would blame you. But Fury is a professional boxer

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Speaker 3: and reality TV star whose relationship with ex Molly may

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Speaker 3: Haig started on Love Island UK. They broke up a

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Speaker 3: few months ago, only seven months after welcoming their first baby,

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Speaker 3: amid cheating allegations. Firstly, we must highlight that this bloke

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Speaker 1: That means he must have so many more books in

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Speaker 3: And an autobiography A life's Tale of twenty five very premature,

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Speaker 3: some might say, but given the success of the show

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Speaker 3: a bestseller. I'm sure, like I never watch it, but

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Speaker 3: To promote the book, he talked to The Daily Mail

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Speaker 3: about it yet another interesting choice, saying he's such a

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Speaker 2: He's like, it is proper love. Do I still love

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Speaker 2: Molly one hundred percent?

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Speaker 2: Love her till my final breath. The minute I saw her,

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Speaker 3: He added, don't always turned into like Draco Mouth for

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Speaker 2: As long as my family think I'm a good man,

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Speaker 3: A good man, I don't care what anyone else has

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Speaker 3: to say, Okay, sir, and that is why you have

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Speaker 3: released a book. He has also admitted to only reading

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Speaker 3: two books in his entire life, the Bible.

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Speaker 2: Odd choice, but that's why he's bringing Jesus Christ into

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to be involved in the story.

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming no, I really don't think I reckon. The

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Speaker 1: Please exclud me from the narratives.

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Speaker 3: And The Tiger who Came to Tea? Is that a

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is a very famous kids book. So he's

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Speaker 3: The Bible and The Tiger that Came to Tea, But

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Speaker 3: he has defended his decision to write his own book,

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Speaker 3: and you know, we love the confidence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting that he's sort of saying that the story

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Speaker 1: that's what he's inferring, right, that it didn't actually happen

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's probably said too much because like

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's going to make his book sales exactly,

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Speaker 3: I actually think they probably got a ghostwriter in and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting publicity those influencers stories because you're saying,

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Speaker 3: And I just, I honestly don't think like he's going

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Speaker 3: understand how an autobiography that you've written at twenty five

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Speaker 3: Now today, Laura, I want to talk about something a

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Speaker 3: I genuinely think that that's bullshit when it comes to celebrities.

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Speaker 3: that is absolutely her prerogative. No one should be commenting,

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Speaker 3: No one should be asking her. Leave her alone, talk

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Speaker 3: then people can comment on that. I think that it's

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Speaker 3: but you're profiting off it. The reason why I think

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Speaker 3: people need to in the least acknowledge that they've made tweaks.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying like, I don't need celebrities or

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Speaker 3: And how dare they say, oh, I just did this

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Speaker 3: with plastic surgery. I need to say that on the record.

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Speaker 3: I'm perfectly a bit of a fan. Do whatever you want,

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Speaker 3: on my forehead. It's just so wrong, and it's gas

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Speaker 3: lighting women into thinking that they're going mad because they

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Speaker 1: What's interesting about this video with Ariana Grande. Obviously they

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Speaker 1: they really want to get into is that Cynthia is

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Speaker 1: and you can see Ariana like sit up, really like

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Speaker 1: because even she says in the video that she's had

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Speaker 3: Way that because she's supposed to be a publicist, led

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Speaker 1: Interesting. I've got to say I don't know the mechanics.

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Speaker 1: I will say that they always save these lie detective tests,

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Speaker 1: that they're proper, that they're done by a third party.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we never know exactly what happens, but that is

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Speaker 1: that that is the line I should just put out.

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Speaker 3: It's also I reckon even I could fake a lie

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Speaker 1: It's a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you put a spike in your shoe and then

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Speaker 2: you just put the pressure on the spike. Why do

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Speaker 2: I know that?

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it's meant to go. If your

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Speaker 1: like heart rate and stuff. But I would get so

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Speaker 1: nervous that I was every single line, everything would just be.

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Speaker 1: Her heart rates are like two hundred. Her name is Laura.

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Speaker 1: But apparently the experts make it work. It's interesting because

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Speaker 1: as I'm watching the audio, the more questions that Cynthia

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Speaker 1: the more intense her answers get.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever get any work done to make yourself

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Speaker 2: feel more popular? To my face?

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Speaker 3: To physical epeia, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going to ask all the questions.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank goodness, did you get your nose done? No?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we cannot afford to have facials every day, a

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Speaker 3: Like there are so many different things that aren't technically surgery,

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Speaker 1: this that done, Or you come into the office and people

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Speaker 1: like I got this done. There's this expectation. So I

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Speaker 1: feel like having this information, I guess has been helpful

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Speaker 1: because it's helped us kind of not have these unattainable

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Speaker 1: beauty standards in a way where we just think that, oh,

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Speaker 1: some women are lucky. But at the same time, part

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Speaker 1: of me thinks, like, is it making just regular women

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Speaker 1: feel like they have to have this as well?

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Speaker 2: That is such a good point.

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Speaker 1: I almost wish I didn't know, Like I wish could

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Speaker 1: put the genie back in the ball and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do. Because when there was nothing

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Speaker 1: I could do, it was out of my hands. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think about it. But now I'm like, should I

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Speaker 1: ask people what doctors they're going to? Should I look

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Speaker 1: at what I can have done? Should I get like

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Speaker 1: my face you know what I mean? Like all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden. It's kind of a good point.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like back in the day, remember when

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Speaker 3: Victoria's secret was so problematic, but we just used to

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Speaker 3: see literal angels with their wings walking down. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: then they started revealing their diet and exercise secrets, like no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no no, let's just imagine that they are mythical creatures.

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Speaker 1: Walking exactly, and they started releasing what they do and

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Speaker 1: what they eat, and then people are trying to copy

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Speaker 1: them exactly.

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Speaker 2: Such a good point, Laura.

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Speaker 1: It's just I mean, I don't know what the answer

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Speaker 1: to all this is because we It's something we talk

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Speaker 1: about a lot in the pod in terms of like

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Speaker 1: bodies and faces, and like we want the information, but

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Speaker 1: like I feel like we're in a cycle now where

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Speaker 1: too much we're may of just going back and forth again.

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Speaker 1: And also the skew now is to start having things

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Speaker 1: almost a lot younger. So a health and beauty editor

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Speaker 1: at Mamma Mia, Aaron Docherty maybe you've heard of her

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Speaker 1: from the New Beauty podcast And It Doesn't Ring a Bell,

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Speaker 1: wrote an incredible article where she talked about the fact

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Speaker 1: that we're in the undetectable era of cosmetic surgery and

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Speaker 1: talking to experts about that and them talking about people

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Speaker 1: having like smaller tweaks don or the access to money

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Speaker 1: that people have, or the idea of having these procedures

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Speaker 1: done also when you're a lot younger, because it'll have

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Speaker 1: more in effect than getting it done when you're older.

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Speaker 1: So there's all these kind of different layers to it.

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Speaker 1: But it's almost, I think, become used to be like

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Speaker 1: you have that Kardashian face, that Instagram face, you have

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Speaker 1: it it looks very u yet very over whereas now

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Speaker 1: it's become like the new sign of like power and

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Speaker 1: money to have like so subtle even to have Like

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that when people would getting like different

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Speaker 1: teeth and veneers and stuff like that, that there's so

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Speaker 1: many different life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't just get the big horse teeth anymore.

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Speaker 3: You get like more subtle, like amabe not perfectly white.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get almost like a tooth artist to come

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Speaker 1: in and like recreate a real smile from Like that's

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Speaker 1: what people think Taylor Swift has had done, is that

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Speaker 1: she's had like a tooth artist. That's not the correct term,

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Speaker 1: but come in and like reshape, reform and like individually

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Speaker 1: craft each tooth and how they put together, which is

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Speaker 1: so different to like if we went and got like

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Speaker 1: a veneer or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I've got a really good example quickly. So eight years ago,

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Speaker 3: when people started getting filler, you'd go in and they'd

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Speaker 3: just like put one millifiller in your lips. And that's

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Speaker 3: where that duck lip thing came about, and people were

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Speaker 3: starting to look a little bit silly or not if

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Speaker 3: that's what the look that they liked.

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Speaker 2: Now depending on where you go. But if you go

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Speaker 2: somewhere good.

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Speaker 3: So if I went in they like, would not let

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Speaker 3: me get a meal in my lips? Really, so you

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Speaker 3: used to just buy your package you get a million

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Speaker 3: you lips. They would be like, no, you would look

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Speaker 3: so so if we put a million your lips. And

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Speaker 3: then they'd put like a little bit of anti wrinkle

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Speaker 3: in my upper if I let them, I don't like

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Speaker 3: it because it makes me not be able to use

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Speaker 3: a straw, but that's a story for another day. And

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Speaker 3: then they might be like, okay, we're putting a bit

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Speaker 3: of filler in your chin to plump it out a

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Speaker 3: little bit. So it's just like tiny tweaks everywhere using

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Speaker 3: that one meal instead of just chucking one meal in

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Speaker 3: my lips to make me look over inflated.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so that's so interesting how things

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Speaker 1: have changed and how like, yeah, all those young women

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Speaker 1: who would just that, Yeah, exactly that kind of undetectable error,

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Speaker 1: which I think is now where because we're always like

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Speaker 1: a little step behind celebrities or a lot in my case,

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Speaker 1: whereas that's what we'll be going to run rays and

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Speaker 1: then well it's mostly that I just don't I'm just

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Speaker 1: like paralyzed with or not knowing what to do. That's

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Speaker 1: a good place. I have a big stance against it.

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Speaker 1: But it's almost like they will now be onto the

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Speaker 1: next thing, and I think that it's more living in

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Speaker 1: this undetectable era, which again could be just as dangerous. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.

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Speaker 1: I don't like Kelly's voice.

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Speaker 2: Not necessary.

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Speaker 1: I get a lot of those.

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Speaker 3: You know what necessary, But it's like if you can't

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Speaker 3: change something in five seconds, don't comment.

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Speaker 1: Exactly and I can't get away from my own voice.

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Speaker 1: And thank you so much to Kelly for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: And if you'd like actual beauty, proper beauty information, you

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Speaker 1: can always listen to Kelly on our e beauty podcast.

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Speaker 1: you back here in our podcast feed at three pm tomorrow.

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