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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia. Out Loud It's what women are actually talking

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Speaker 2: about on Monday, the twenty ninth of July. I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Meya Friedman recording from home because I have a cough.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens and out Louders. At the end

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Speaker 3: see where you were listening and it was one of

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Speaker 3: the most incredible responses. So we're going to tell you

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Speaker 2: We love all of you out louders though right like,

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Speaker 2: Jesse has favorites, but not all of us do. Oh.

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Speaker 3: Mayor likes to rank people, so I think Maya's probably

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Speaker 1: The top of the leader board. Someone has to be there,

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, what an amazing prime on the show today.

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Speaker 2: Queen Selene, a spicy threesome, a sprinkling of religious outrage,

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Speaker 2: a man who's lost his job and the coolest fourteen

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Speaker 2: year old in the country. It's our Olympic vibes roundup. Also,

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Speaker 2: what happened when Trump's running mate came for Jennifer Aniston

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Speaker 2: and a journalist traveled to Ballerine a farm for an

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Speaker 2: audience with the Queen of the Tradwives and came away

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Speaker 2: talking about her husband instead. But first, Jesse Stevens, oh,

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Speaker 2: good vibes, great fight, what a great time.

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Speaker 3: From a controversial opening ceremony to a commentator fired fre

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Speaker 3: referring to as Olympic vibes. This isn't about the Metal Tally,

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Speaker 3: although today it's a little bit about the Metal Tally,

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Speaker 3: because this is the only moment in which Australia is winning,

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Speaker 3: because the swimming is happening and so we're at the top,

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Speaker 3: and then after that we stop looking at the Metal Tally.

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Speaker 3: But this is about the stories that have captured our

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Speaker 3: attention this weekend. We must begin with the most bizarre,

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Speaker 3: unhinged opening ceremony and living memory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it really was.

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Speaker 3: It was the first opening ceremony ever to take place

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Speaker 3: outside a stadium. Ambitious. It was ambitious. Athletes were paraded

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Speaker 3: in boats down the River Senne. There was an armed

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Speaker 3: To give you a sense of the scale of the operation.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Jolly, the creative director of the ceremony, said he

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Speaker 3: wanted to challenge and play with French cliche, which he

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Speaker 3: absolutely did with a version of the can can that

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Speaker 2: They did do the jump splitz, though, did you notice

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Speaker 3: I have feedback.

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Speaker 1: I do too, I've got some thoughts about the can

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Speaker 3: Well, apparently they were purposely uncoordinated because they were mocking

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Speaker 3: was ironic. There was a Lady Gaga.

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Speaker 1: Why was Lady Gaga just on some random steps in

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Speaker 3: Pre recorded It was pre recorded.

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Speaker 2: I think you could tell that quite a few bits. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: There was a headless antoinette. There was some ghosts, There

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Speaker 2: At one points it was a low light.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so lost. So I know we're going

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Speaker 3: Yes, I thought the same. So it was three or

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Speaker 1: So I missed this bit completely.

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Speaker 3: There was the Celene Dion, who delivered her first performance

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Speaker 3: She was on the Eiffel Tower, which was then lit

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Speaker 2: I absolutely think it was awesome. I was like, it

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Speaker 2: I was like, kids, we're watching the opening ceremony. Then

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Speaker 2: like part one, part two, part three, Okay, Well well

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Speaker 2: Is it clever because if it rains you can close

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Speaker 2: Is it better because you don't have to have one

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Speaker 2: But is it more fun and interesting to just take

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Speaker 3: I love is why I love the French. And I

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Speaker 3: so cynical and annoyed at tourists. It was a bit

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Speaker 3: here's a threesome. They were just fucking.

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Speaker 2: This was the bit that me and my children were

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Speaker 2: it was so beautiful, like having all the musicians in

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Speaker 3: And it's the type of arrogance that you could only

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Speaker 2: Il they did, and even though Notre Dame is still

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Speaker 1: And you just think, wow, like what they've endured to

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Speaker 1: And also a bit of a school rockus Deedford.

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Speaker 1: So one of the biggest challenges with this Olympics from

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Speaker 5: Love the hell Loud.

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Speaker 1: If Jennifer Aniston getting into a fight with a dude

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Speaker 1: running for vice president was not on your bingo card

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Speaker 2: And welcome, whooped.

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Speaker 1: Let's briefly, i'mpack how the hell this happened. An interview

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Speaker 5: We're effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via

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Speaker 5: The entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people

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Speaker 2: Thank God, the JD is bringing the facts to the

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Speaker 1: He is all the people without children, please just leave

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Speaker 1: All I can say is, mister Vance, I pray that

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Speaker 2: It showed just how much this stung, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: And specifically there's a people to jug.

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Speaker 2: Is a man, right, and he was in that list

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Speaker 1: to adult step children. They have been her stepchildren for

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Speaker 1: many years. She's married to a man named Doug Antonov,

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Speaker 1: and those children came out and said, how can anyone

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Speaker 1: be called childless when they've got two little cuties like us?

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Speaker 1: I love my three parents, And even the biological mother

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Speaker 1: of those two kids came out and gave a tribute

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Speaker 1: to Cumalo and said what an amazing parent she is

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Speaker 1: to their children. Just to go back to Jennifer Andiston

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Speaker 1: for a second, jd Vance then clapped back at her

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Speaker 1: clap back and gave an interview to Megan Kelly, who

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Speaker 1: you may remember is an American sort of very conservative commentator.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said to her about Jennifer Aniston's comments.

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Speaker 4: If Hollywood celebrities saying, oh well, Geddie Vance, what if

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Speaker 4: your daughter suffered fertility problems? Well, first of all, that's

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Speaker 4: disgusting because my daughter is two years old. And second

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Speaker 4: of all, if she had fertility problems, as I said

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Speaker 4: in that speech, I would try everything I could to

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Speaker 4: try to help her because I belie leave families and

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Speaker 4: babies are a good thing. That's the whole point is,

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Speaker 4: if you believe families and babies are a good thing,

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Speaker 4: you should be trying to promote the fact that we

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Speaker 4: want to have a good family policy in this country.

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Speaker 4: That is what's so profoundly wrong about where the Democrats

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Speaker 4: have gone.

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Speaker 2: Even he knows that his argument doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: And also to the point about Kamala Harris and her

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Speaker 2: step family, what he basically has done is he's painted

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Speaker 2: any kind of family that is not a heterosexual man

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Speaker 2: woman who are still together and living in a home

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Speaker 2: with their children as basically invalid. And there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of Americans who fall into that bucket. I can't

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Speaker 2: see how this smart. But back to Jennifer Aniston for

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Speaker 2: a minute, you'll write me. She very rarely comments on

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Speaker 2: this stuff, and she could comment on it all day long. Right,

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Speaker 2: she is a Generation x icon with an Instagram account.

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Speaker 2: People are very interested in her status around children, and

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Speaker 2: they have been for thirty years, so she could talk

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Speaker 2: about this all day And the fact that she sort

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Speaker 2: of came out and said this just shows how incensed

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Speaker 2: she was. Now a whole lot of other problem and

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Speaker 2: women who don't have children are coming out to and

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Speaker 2: talking about it, which I think is brilliant. But there's

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Speaker 2: a part of me that wishes that we weren't giving

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Speaker 2: this man any credit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but then I suppose when he's the vice president

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Speaker 3: and potentially in charge of like drafting policy, then we

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Speaker 3: do have to pay attention to what he's saying. The

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Speaker 3: implication of what he's saying is that we want to

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Speaker 3: treat a subset of the population as less human, less worthy,

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Speaker 3: and we want to strip them of certain rights, like

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Speaker 3: to suggest that one vote is worth more than another.

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Speaker 2: Is so, well, he wants more rights for the people

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Speaker 2: he approves of. So is to the point that you

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Speaker 2: made me about what he thinks should happen to kids

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Speaker 2: is he thinks that every child in America should get

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Speaker 2: a vote, but that vote goes to their parents, right,

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Speaker 2: so that if you have more kids, you have more votes.

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Speaker 2: And all this pays back to the idea that he's like,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have children, you don't have a stake

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Speaker 2: in the future of a country. It's just such an

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Speaker 2: tensely strange idea.

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Speaker 1: Old what's even more insidious about that is this idea

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Speaker 1: of the children get votes and their parents get those votes.

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Speaker 1: I know we're going to be talking about Ballerina farm

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Speaker 1: and tradwives shortly, but the very highly religious, conservative Christian

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Speaker 1: branch of the Republican Party. What they have in common

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Speaker 1: is that they have a lot of children. So you're

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Speaker 1: talking about a group of people who have eight, nine, ten,

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Speaker 1: eleven children if you think about the duggers, and fifteen

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Speaker 1: and counting. So you're talking about over emphasizing the political

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Speaker 1: power of people who are innately extremely conservative and religious.

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Speaker 1: That's not just unfair and hurtful, that is actually chilling.

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Speaker 3: I also reckon it's worth unpacking the cat lady stereotype

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Speaker 3: a little bit and what that's code for, because what

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Speaker 3: you're saying when you call someone a cat lady, because

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Speaker 3: it's thrown around a lot, it's not just about owning

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Speaker 3: a cat. You're suggesting that there's something like mentally unstable,

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Speaker 3: that they're isolated, that the only thing that will give

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Speaker 3: them affection is a cat. And even the way that

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Speaker 3: he used the word child less, I mean, we've had

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Speaker 3: this discussion on the podcast that there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of women who identify as child free, like that there's

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Speaker 3: something lacking about them. I just think it betrayed so

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Speaker 3: many awful opinions about women and their purpose and their existence,

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Speaker 3: and if a family has one child or no children,

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Speaker 3: or three or eight, what that does to a woman's

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Speaker 3: life is not the same as what it does to

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Speaker 3: a man's life. And I think that's something that he's

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Speaker 3: not quite acknowledged.

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Speaker 1: So what's been interesting, of course, is the internet AT's

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Speaker 1: finest women have reclaimed the idea of being childless cat ladies.

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Speaker 1: Friend of mine Laura Brown, who is an American journalist,

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Speaker 1: she posted a picture of herself and her he husband

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Speaker 1: and her cat in like a handbag and they were

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Speaker 1: going on a trip, and she's like, childless cat Ladies,

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Speaker 1: we ride at dawn. Gloria Steinham posted a photograph of

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Speaker 1: herself with her cats. If Childless Cat Ladies had a queen,

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Speaker 1: it would undoubtedly be Taylor Swift. She's a known lover

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Speaker 1: of cats and is often poked by the conservative right

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Speaker 1: as being about role model because she doesn't have children.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she said anything yet, but if you're

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Speaker 1: looking at who the women are who have cats and

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Speaker 1: not children, it's a pretty impressive group to be part of.

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Speaker 3: in the show notes to get us in your ears

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Speaker 2: A journalist traveled to Utah to meet Hannah Nielman, the

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Speaker 2: face of Ballerina Farm and the supposed queen of the

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Speaker 2: travel Wives, and the reporter discovered a rather unsurprising truth.

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Speaker 2: It's really really hard to have an uninterrupted conversation with

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Speaker 2: a mother of eight children under twelve. Quick catch up

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Speaker 2: if you're not one of Hannah's nine point three million

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Speaker 2: Instagram followers. She lives on a ranch and a dairy

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Speaker 2: farm in rural Utah with her husband, Daniel, and their

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Speaker 2: many small children. She's a Mormon, and so is he.

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Speaker 2: And Hannah is a former ballerina who left Utah to

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Speaker 2: study in New York City before she married Daniel and

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Speaker 2: made her way back there. She's also beauty queen gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: In fact, she is a beauty queen. She's competed in

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Speaker 2: the Missus World pageant, and you might remember us talking

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Speaker 2: about her when she did just that just twelve days

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Speaker 2: after her eighth home birth. She's a phenomenon, and it's

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Speaker 2: worth noting that she's also the face of a business.

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Speaker 2: Ballerina Farm sells things. On her latest post, for example,

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Speaker 2: she intros us to some of the new products that

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Speaker 2: we can buy from her, including a raw milk bottle,

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Speaker 2: which is handy if you've got some raw milk lying around,

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Speaker 2: chocolate chip cookies, soured oak cookies, you can buy flour,

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Speaker 2: you can buy candles, you can get a weekly delivery

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Speaker 2: box of goodies. You can buy enamel cups and salt

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Speaker 2: and wholesome farmy goodies from Balita Farm and Meat. And

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Speaker 2: that explains why the fact that they're just launching this

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Speaker 2: new dairy arm of their business. She and Daniel hosted

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Speaker 2: an English journalist from The Sunday Times at Ballerina Farm

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Speaker 2: for a profile piece. Recently, Megan Agneu lives in New

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Speaker 2: York City and she traveled to Utah to meet the Neielmans.

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Speaker 2: The resulting piece that she wrote has gone absolutely viral.

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Speaker 2: Here are a few top line takeaways from what she

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Speaker 2: found at Ballerina Farm. She can't seem to get Hannah

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Speaker 2: on her own. Every time she tries, Daniel takes her

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Speaker 2: off to show a new irrigation ditch. He's like, come

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Speaker 2: look at the dairy, and she's like, I really came

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Speaker 2: to interview your wife, and he's like, no, no, no, she's

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Speaker 2: just making lands for the kiddies. Come and look at

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Speaker 2: her new barn. They insist that they are joint CEOs

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Speaker 2: of Ballerina Farm and that they split things in a

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Speaker 2: very fifty to fifty way. Here's a little grab of

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Speaker 2: him saying exactly.

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Speaker 6: That we obviously have a lot of kids, so we

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Speaker 6: have a lot of responsibilities. I take care of more

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Speaker 6: of the ranch side of things. Hannah takes care of

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Speaker 6: more the marketing, a lot of the products that we

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Speaker 6: work on product development, and so we have defined roles

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Speaker 6: and some things, but we also share so many roles,

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Speaker 6: especially with parenting. When we're very fifty to fifty. Hannah

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Speaker 6: does more. I do as much as I can.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially because the kids are homeschooled and both of

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Speaker 1: us are at home every day, and so we're able

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Speaker 1: to share a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: Agnew found that actually it was hard to get Hannah

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Speaker 2: to talk at all because Daniel, as you would notice

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Speaker 2: from that grab, did quite a lot of the talking.

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Speaker 2: She also came away saying that she thought this fifty

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Speaker 2: to fifty co CEOs thing was disingenuous. After spending a

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Speaker 2: day with them, she decided that the reason that they

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Speaker 2: lived the way they do is because Daniel wanted to.

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Speaker 2: She wrote, Daniel wanted to live in the Great Western wild,

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Speaker 2: so they did. He wanted a farm, so they do.

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Speaker 2: He likes eight nights once a week, so they go.

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Speaker 2: They have a babysitter on those evenings. He didn't want

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Speaker 2: nanny's in the house, so there aren't any. The only

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Speaker 2: space earmark to be Neilman's own a small barn she

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Speaker 2: wanted to convert into a ballet studio, ended up becoming

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Speaker 2: this kid's schoolroom. One of the most memorable things that

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Speaker 2: Megan wrote is that when she asked Hannah about her

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Speaker 2: eight home births, Hannah actually says that one of them

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Speaker 2: was in hospital and that Daniel wasn't there and she

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Speaker 2: got to have an apertural and it was great. What

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Speaker 2: did we take from the viral Ballerina farm piece?

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Speaker 3: Jesse Stevens, I do not share in the fascination with

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Speaker 3: the trad wife phenomena, which I acknowledge is everywhere and

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Speaker 3: people are talking about it. I feel that Hannah Nielman

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Speaker 3: should be able to live her life exactly as she

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Speaker 3: wants to, of course, and if she's on a farm

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Speaker 3: with her eight babies, then good on her. She's made

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Speaker 3: a series of decisions that by all accounts, she's happy with.

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Speaker 3: And what I felt reading this, and I was not

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Speaker 3: alone in this response, is that the journalist had a

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Speaker 3: position before she met Nielman. She projected a lot onto

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Speaker 3: Nielman throughout this detect, a little bit of snark, so

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Speaker 3: there was even like the comment about I can't get

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Speaker 3: an answer out of her without being corrected, interrupted, or

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Speaker 3: answered by either her husband or a child. She seemed

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Speaker 3: incredibly irritated by the children the entire time. If you're

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Speaker 3: going to come to someone's house and they have eight children,

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Speaker 3: then probably there is going to be a noise next

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Speaker 3: to you tape recorder.

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Speaker 2: And to me, that.

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Speaker 3: Actually betrayed her own beliefs about what it is to

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Speaker 3: be a woman. She seemed frustrated by this woman who

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Speaker 3: had a lot of kids, by a woman who had

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Speaker 3: given up even the term given up, like the ballet

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Speaker 3: thing she was pursuing, the thing is a potential career,

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Speaker 3: and then she felt pregnant, and then obviously has moved

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Speaker 3: to this farm and had all of these babies. In

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Speaker 3: Nielman's own words, that's not conveyed as a tragedy. That's

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Speaker 3: not something that she's losing sleepover thinking I would have

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Speaker 3: loved to do that, But the way that the profile

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Speaker 3: was angled was sort of like, look at what she

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Speaker 3: could have done, and instead she's just in this farm

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Speaker 3: being held hostage by her husband. Like I felt as

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Speaker 3: though that was the tone. And then as she was

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Speaker 3: writing about other tradwives, she said, one of the most

651
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Speaker 3: influential tradwives is Nara Smith, a twenty two year old

652
00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:44,207
Speaker 3: Mormon model who talks in a voice so soft she

653
00:31:44,327 --> 00:31:46,807
Speaker 3: sounds as though she is being brainwashed by a cult

654
00:31:47,087 --> 00:31:51,247
Speaker 3: and is constantly pregnant and draining something fermented through muslin.

655
00:31:52,167 --> 00:31:56,567
Speaker 3: The snark is unnecessary. This divide between women who decide

656
00:31:56,567 --> 00:31:58,287
Speaker 3: to stay at home with their kids and women who

657
00:31:58,327 --> 00:32:01,567
Speaker 3: decide to go to work is holding all women back.

658
00:32:01,727 --> 00:32:04,447
Speaker 2: But it's not that simple. Hannah's it work. Hannah's work

659
00:32:04,447 --> 00:32:05,367
Speaker 2: in her assof.

660
00:32:05,167 --> 00:32:08,567
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely absolutely, And I thought that was a really

661
00:32:08,607 --> 00:32:12,807
Speaker 3: important distinction that actually, I don't think Hannah is a

662
00:32:12,847 --> 00:32:16,487
Speaker 3: trod wife, and she's been put in this group. It

663
00:32:16,727 --> 00:32:19,487
Speaker 3: kind of represents this thing we do where every woman's

664
00:32:19,847 --> 00:32:22,647
Speaker 3: choice is somehow a criticism of us in our own lives,

665
00:32:22,727 --> 00:32:24,567
Speaker 3: and I just I find it irritating.

666
00:32:24,967 --> 00:32:27,167
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying a couple of things about

667
00:32:27,167 --> 00:32:29,607
Speaker 1: the journalist, because I thought the profile was really interesting

668
00:32:29,607 --> 00:32:32,447
Speaker 1: and it made me nostalgic for these profile pieces, which

669
00:32:32,487 --> 00:32:35,487
Speaker 1: you don't usually get anymore. You know, famous people don't

670
00:32:35,487 --> 00:32:38,167
Speaker 1: have to talk to reporters. They can just put stuff

671
00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:41,327
Speaker 1: out on their Instagram. What you get in a good

672
00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:45,727
Speaker 1: profile piece like this is observation. You get the subtext, right,

673
00:32:46,127 --> 00:32:49,687
Speaker 1: And so the subtext that came through this was that

674
00:32:49,967 --> 00:32:55,767
Speaker 1: Hannah Nielman was not a woman entirely in charge of

675
00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:59,887
Speaker 1: her own life, and that there was a tension between

676
00:33:00,007 --> 00:33:03,287
Speaker 1: how their life was being portrayed, certainly on Instagram and

677
00:33:03,447 --> 00:33:08,207
Speaker 1: also to the reporter, and how her life actually was.

678
00:33:08,607 --> 00:33:11,207
Speaker 1: And I think this is a criticism that's really common

679
00:33:11,247 --> 00:33:14,847
Speaker 1: when people are looking at tradwife content and tradwives themselves,

680
00:33:14,887 --> 00:33:20,847
Speaker 1: because there's this very picture perfect, idealistic portrayal of life

681
00:33:21,247 --> 00:33:24,087
Speaker 1: at home, being a trad wife, being a homemaker, having

682
00:33:24,087 --> 00:33:27,487
Speaker 1: all these children, making everything from scratch, not having devices,

683
00:33:27,567 --> 00:33:32,007
Speaker 1: not having takeaway, not having any support or childcare or

684
00:33:32,127 --> 00:33:35,567
Speaker 1: childbirth drugs or any of those things, and that that's

685
00:33:35,607 --> 00:33:38,887
Speaker 1: really ideal and everyone's very happy, and then there's the

686
00:33:38,927 --> 00:33:40,967
Speaker 1: reality of what that's like. And I might be being

687
00:33:40,967 --> 00:33:42,887
Speaker 1: a little bit colored because I just for no filter.

688
00:33:43,007 --> 00:33:44,567
Speaker 1: In a couple of weeks, you'll be hearing an interview

689
00:33:44,567 --> 00:33:46,847
Speaker 1: I did with a woman called Tia Levings who was

690
00:33:46,847 --> 00:33:50,407
Speaker 1: a trad wife and escaped again part of a Mormon culture.

691
00:33:51,247 --> 00:33:54,447
Speaker 1: And I think that it's not unfair Jesse, about what

692
00:33:54,487 --> 00:33:57,127
Speaker 1: you say that the reporter was projecting a lot. I

693
00:33:57,127 --> 00:33:59,767
Speaker 1: think there's some truth to that, and I got frustrated

694
00:33:59,807 --> 00:34:03,847
Speaker 1: with the reporter. For example, when Daniel, the husband kept

695
00:34:03,847 --> 00:34:06,407
Speaker 1: taking her to show her ditches and time was kicking

696
00:34:06,407 --> 00:34:08,407
Speaker 1: down because she and he had four hours. If I'd

697
00:34:08,407 --> 00:34:10,607
Speaker 1: have been that reporter, I would have said, I've only

698
00:34:10,687 --> 00:34:13,207
Speaker 1: got another hour. I actually need to go and talk

699
00:34:13,247 --> 00:34:16,287
Speaker 1: to Hannah. And I would have also specified to Hannah, hey,

700
00:34:16,487 --> 00:34:18,887
Speaker 1: you've got so many children. Will we have a time?

701
00:34:19,087 --> 00:34:20,927
Speaker 1: And maybe she did this and it was ignored or

702
00:34:21,167 --> 00:34:23,687
Speaker 1: she didn't recount it in the piece, but will there

703
00:34:23,727 --> 00:34:27,207
Speaker 1: be half an hour for us to just duck away ourselves?

704
00:34:27,247 --> 00:34:30,447
Speaker 1: Because you say she was irritated by the kids being around.

705
00:34:30,807 --> 00:34:33,887
Speaker 1: Can you imagine trying to conduct an interview with your

706
00:34:33,927 --> 00:34:38,127
Speaker 1: subject being interrupted constantly by eight children like that? To me,

707
00:34:38,207 --> 00:34:39,247
Speaker 1: that's just not professional.

708
00:34:39,367 --> 00:34:43,007
Speaker 3: I don't think that's fair, right, because a profile is

709
00:34:43,087 --> 00:34:46,247
Speaker 3: sort of about following someone around, yeah, but their own life.

710
00:34:46,367 --> 00:34:48,607
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the thing is is there's usually two parts

711
00:34:48,647 --> 00:34:51,767
Speaker 2: to it. So this kind of immersive profile is exactly

712
00:34:51,767 --> 00:34:53,527
Speaker 2: that you'll follow them around for a day and you'll

713
00:34:53,527 --> 00:34:55,247
Speaker 2: watch them milk the cows. But then you need some

714
00:34:55,327 --> 00:34:57,767
Speaker 2: interview time and that would generally be carved out for you,

715
00:34:57,807 --> 00:34:59,327
Speaker 2: and maybe it'll be on a different day, or maybe

716
00:34:59,327 --> 00:35:01,367
Speaker 2: it'll be part of that day when you will get

717
00:35:01,407 --> 00:35:02,847
Speaker 2: like you're going to get an hour sit down.

718
00:35:02,887 --> 00:35:05,927
Speaker 3: This sounds like a misunderstanding in terms of like the

719
00:35:06,047 --> 00:35:07,767
Speaker 3: terms of what was being done.

720
00:35:07,927 --> 00:35:10,167
Speaker 1: No, see, that's what the report was saying. It wasn't

721
00:35:10,167 --> 00:35:13,727
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding. She saw it as deliberately running interference and

722
00:35:13,767 --> 00:35:17,247
Speaker 1: being very distracting, so that whether either it was Hannah's

723
00:35:17,247 --> 00:35:20,767
Speaker 1: idea or Daniel's idea, which was the implication that Hannah

724
00:35:20,807 --> 00:35:24,647
Speaker 1: didn't get any time alone with the reporter. Now that's

725
00:35:24,767 --> 00:35:27,527
Speaker 1: interesting to me because it's also not entirely made up

726
00:35:27,567 --> 00:35:30,447
Speaker 1: this idea that she's perhaps not entirely one hundred percent happy,

727
00:35:30,487 --> 00:35:33,967
Speaker 1: because they do talk about what her aspirations were. Because

728
00:35:34,007 --> 00:35:35,887
Speaker 1: Hannah also grew up in a Mormon household. She was

729
00:35:35,887 --> 00:35:38,127
Speaker 1: one of nine children, and she loved ballet, and she

730
00:35:38,167 --> 00:35:40,007
Speaker 1: got so good at it that she got into Juilliard,

731
00:35:40,007 --> 00:35:42,807
Speaker 1: which is like the best ballet school in America. She

732
00:35:42,847 --> 00:35:44,487
Speaker 1: asked her, was it your dream to be on a farm?

733
00:35:44,527 --> 00:35:46,047
Speaker 1: She goes, no way, My dream was New York City.

734
00:35:46,087 --> 00:35:49,087
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get off that kind of life

735
00:35:49,127 --> 00:35:51,607
Speaker 1: and have a different life and basically be Carrie Bradshaw

736
00:35:51,647 --> 00:35:54,087
Speaker 1: but with ballet and live in the city. And what

737
00:35:54,207 --> 00:35:57,527
Speaker 1: happened is that then Daniel's telling of their courtship, which

738
00:35:57,607 --> 00:35:59,847
Speaker 1: could be seen as romantic or could be seen as

739
00:35:59,847 --> 00:36:02,767
Speaker 1: a bit nefarious, because he said, I saw her and

740
00:36:02,807 --> 00:36:04,967
Speaker 1: I was like, let's go, let's get married. She's the

741
00:36:04,967 --> 00:36:07,967
Speaker 1: one for me. But she wasn't so keen. She wanted

742
00:36:08,007 --> 00:36:10,287
Speaker 1: to go to New York and keep going to Juilliard.

743
00:36:10,647 --> 00:36:12,887
Speaker 1: His father owned the airline that she was traveling on,

744
00:36:12,927 --> 00:36:14,727
Speaker 1: and he arranged to be sitting next to her on

745
00:36:14,847 --> 00:36:16,567
Speaker 1: flight because she didn't want to go on a date

746
00:36:16,607 --> 00:36:19,087
Speaker 1: with him because she wanted to pursue her ballet. She

747
00:36:19,087 --> 00:36:21,927
Speaker 1: didn't want to get married, and then he won her

748
00:36:21,967 --> 00:36:23,967
Speaker 1: over and they started dating, and she still didn't want

749
00:36:23,967 --> 00:36:25,367
Speaker 1: to get married, and he said, no, this isn't going

750
00:36:25,407 --> 00:36:27,247
Speaker 1: to work. We have to get married, and then she

751
00:36:27,327 --> 00:36:29,407
Speaker 1: was pregnant with two children in quick succession.

752
00:36:29,607 --> 00:36:34,247
Speaker 3: We're very intent on painting her as a victim. And

753
00:36:34,327 --> 00:36:36,167
Speaker 3: I think that there are a lot of women who

754
00:36:36,167 --> 00:36:37,927
Speaker 3: would look at their lives and go, of course, this

755
00:36:37,967 --> 00:36:39,767
Speaker 3: isn't how I imagined it. I'm not living where I

756
00:36:39,767 --> 00:36:41,967
Speaker 3: thought I would. I'm not doing the job I thought

757
00:36:41,967 --> 00:36:45,927
Speaker 3: I would do. And my thing about observation in profiles

758
00:36:46,567 --> 00:36:49,647
Speaker 3: is that those observations are not objective. They are subjective,

759
00:36:49,687 --> 00:36:51,847
Speaker 3: and they are laced with the politics of whoever is

760
00:36:51,887 --> 00:36:55,007
Speaker 3: doing the looking. And the issue with the media class

761
00:36:55,487 --> 00:36:58,687
Speaker 3: and triadwives is the snark, because if you are part

762
00:36:58,687 --> 00:37:02,327
Speaker 3: of the media class, if you are us sitting here commentating,

763
00:37:03,087 --> 00:37:05,567
Speaker 3: we are all at work right now and our children

764
00:37:05,607 --> 00:37:08,127
Speaker 3: are not with us. So we have a certain set

765
00:37:08,327 --> 00:37:09,247
Speaker 3: of politics.

766
00:37:09,927 --> 00:37:12,847
Speaker 2: That is politics. It's a reality.

767
00:37:13,207 --> 00:37:16,407
Speaker 3: I think it is politics, though, because when these sorts

768
00:37:16,407 --> 00:37:19,887
Speaker 3: of things are written, or when we speak about these women,

769
00:37:20,247 --> 00:37:23,007
Speaker 3: there is a put down that is making these women

770
00:37:23,047 --> 00:37:26,567
Speaker 3: feel defensive. And then they present their lives on social media.

771
00:37:26,607 --> 00:37:29,007
Speaker 3: And even you said, Maya that you know they presented

772
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:32,847
Speaker 3: as idyllic and perfect. Well, you could say that career

773
00:37:32,887 --> 00:37:35,407
Speaker 3: women who say in an office every day do the

774
00:37:35,447 --> 00:37:37,607
Speaker 3: same thing to a different extent. The Girl Boss era,

775
00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:40,487
Speaker 3: the pendulum swung so that having a career was the

776
00:37:40,487 --> 00:37:41,127
Speaker 3: idyllic thing.

777
00:37:41,327 --> 00:37:43,327
Speaker 2: So I agree with you on a lot of what

778
00:37:43,327 --> 00:37:45,927
Speaker 2: you're saying, right, I think one hundred percent. There's a

779
00:37:46,007 --> 00:37:48,967
Speaker 2: level of sort of snark when we look at these tradwives,

780
00:37:49,367 --> 00:37:52,287
Speaker 2: but that isn't why I'm fascinated by them, right, I

781
00:37:52,327 --> 00:37:56,047
Speaker 2: don't think they're victims. They're selling us something. That's what

782
00:37:56,087 --> 00:37:58,127
Speaker 2: you've got to remember here, right, is the reason they

783
00:37:58,247 --> 00:38:00,607
Speaker 2: let Megan Agnu go on to their farm and spend

784
00:38:00,647 --> 00:38:04,127
Speaker 2: a day with them is because they're selling something. She's

785
00:38:04,167 --> 00:38:07,327
Speaker 2: got nearly ten million Instagram followers and more on TikTok.

786
00:38:07,687 --> 00:38:13,447
Speaker 2: She knows exactly what she's doing. And they're selling harried, ordinary,

787
00:38:14,327 --> 00:38:17,527
Speaker 2: mostly urban and suburban women a dream. Right, that's what

788
00:38:17,567 --> 00:38:18,087
Speaker 2: they're doing.

789
00:38:18,127 --> 00:38:19,927
Speaker 3: I thought they were selling meat and meal.

790
00:38:20,047 --> 00:38:22,807
Speaker 2: No, they're selling us a dream, which is like any product, right,

791
00:38:22,927 --> 00:38:25,567
Speaker 2: is that you do it through your dream and an aspiration.

792
00:38:26,007 --> 00:38:30,247
Speaker 2: And I know that I love watching tradwife content. I

793
00:38:30,287 --> 00:38:35,007
Speaker 2: could watch Ballerina Farm. My friend Hannah and Nara ferment

794
00:38:35,087 --> 00:38:38,687
Speaker 2: butter all day long, strain their buttermilk. They make everything

795
00:38:38,687 --> 00:38:41,367
Speaker 2: from scratch. I would never do it. I love it. It's

796
00:38:41,407 --> 00:38:44,887
Speaker 2: like sort of porn. It's like house por like my fantasy.

797
00:38:44,927 --> 00:38:47,127
Speaker 2: It's not what I would necessarily like my life to

798
00:38:47,167 --> 00:38:50,247
Speaker 2: be like. But I totally find it soothing, appealing and

799
00:38:50,247 --> 00:38:51,847
Speaker 2: all those things. And I wrote a piece a while

800
00:38:51,847 --> 00:38:54,327
Speaker 2: ago about how it's kind of self harmful millennial mums,

801
00:38:54,367 --> 00:38:57,967
Speaker 2: because very many mums wish they could spend more time

802
00:38:58,007 --> 00:39:00,367
Speaker 2: with their children than they are able to because of

803
00:39:00,407 --> 00:39:04,167
Speaker 2: the demands on them financially and otherwise. And so it

804
00:39:04,247 --> 00:39:07,047
Speaker 2: seems like a dream, and they're selling us a dream, right.

805
00:39:07,647 --> 00:39:10,167
Speaker 2: But the other thing that you can't now is that

806
00:39:10,327 --> 00:39:14,007
Speaker 2: also they are political. They are being deeply political. It

807
00:39:14,087 --> 00:39:17,887
Speaker 2: is impossible. I think you're absolutely right about Megan Agnau

808
00:39:17,967 --> 00:39:20,887
Speaker 2: and other reporters, and probably myself when I write about tradwives,

809
00:39:21,127 --> 00:39:23,207
Speaker 2: bringing my own baggage and a bit of snark to it.

810
00:39:23,647 --> 00:39:26,407
Speaker 2: But they are also selling us something, and part of

811
00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:28,607
Speaker 2: it is what they're actually selling us, the meat, the

812
00:39:28,647 --> 00:39:32,567
Speaker 2: candles despond con and part of it is traditional family

813
00:39:32,727 --> 00:39:35,567
Speaker 2: values that very much align with a particular political and

814
00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:39,047
Speaker 2: religious agenda. So I think it's a little naive to

815
00:39:39,127 --> 00:39:41,207
Speaker 2: be like, these women just want to be on the

816
00:39:41,247 --> 00:39:43,807
Speaker 2: farm with their babies, and us bitter career women are

817
00:39:43,927 --> 00:39:47,607
Speaker 2: like crazy cat ladies. Jd Vance's crazy cat ladies, or

818
00:39:48,087 --> 00:39:50,967
Speaker 2: us like sort of heartless. My kids are in childcase

819
00:39:50,967 --> 00:39:53,727
Speaker 2: since they were six months old. People like me, we're

820
00:39:53,807 --> 00:39:55,567
Speaker 2: just bitter and angry about it. I think it's actually

821
00:39:55,647 --> 00:39:59,447
Speaker 2: much more complicated. I can watch it and see the

822
00:39:59,567 --> 00:40:02,407
Speaker 2: multi layered appeal of it, but I'm also very aware

823
00:40:02,487 --> 00:40:04,007
Speaker 2: that this is a dog whistle in here.

824
00:40:04,367 --> 00:40:06,607
Speaker 3: I think that it's pinning women against each other and

825
00:40:06,607 --> 00:40:08,687
Speaker 3: it's all just a big distraction, and we don't do

826
00:40:08,767 --> 00:40:09,207
Speaker 3: it to men.

827
00:40:10,287 --> 00:40:13,327
Speaker 2: I'm not against them, Like my fascination with tadwives has

828
00:40:13,367 --> 00:40:15,287
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the women themselves, and like I

829
00:40:15,327 --> 00:40:18,767
Speaker 2: think their enemies of anything. I just think it's a

830
00:40:18,807 --> 00:40:22,327
Speaker 2: fascinating phenomena that it's rising and that women are leaning

831
00:40:22,327 --> 00:40:24,207
Speaker 2: into it so much, and I think it says a

832
00:40:24,207 --> 00:40:27,447
Speaker 2: lot about what we sort of fantasize about. But then

833
00:40:27,487 --> 00:40:29,767
Speaker 2: I also think, like a lot of fantasies. If you

834
00:40:29,887 --> 00:40:32,407
Speaker 2: got it and you really did have to do everything

835
00:40:32,447 --> 00:40:34,247
Speaker 2: that your husband was telling you to do, and you

836
00:40:34,287 --> 00:40:36,207
Speaker 2: did have to homeschool your kids and be with them

837
00:40:36,407 --> 00:40:38,047
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven, and you couldn't have a piece

838
00:40:38,047 --> 00:40:40,007
Speaker 2: of toast unless you bake the bread and made the butter,

839
00:40:40,367 --> 00:40:45,167
Speaker 2: you'd probably be like, take me back to the city tomorrow. Jesse,

840
00:40:45,327 --> 00:40:46,647
Speaker 2: you say use.

841
00:40:46,527 --> 00:40:50,727
Speaker 1: The term put down and also snark. I see it

842
00:40:50,847 --> 00:40:54,967
Speaker 1: more as viewing this content and these women with suspicion

843
00:40:55,567 --> 00:41:00,487
Speaker 1: and with a radar for hypocrisy, because when something doesn't

844
00:41:00,567 --> 00:41:05,127
Speaker 1: seem right, Like, isn't a reporter's job to interrogate something,

845
00:41:05,567 --> 00:41:07,927
Speaker 1: to sort of scratch below the surface and what's being

846
00:41:07,967 --> 00:41:11,487
Speaker 1: presented and the spin and the gloss and the peoplelt

847
00:41:11,567 --> 00:41:15,127
Speaker 1: the and the we're so happy, Yeah, when we're being

848
00:41:15,127 --> 00:41:18,847
Speaker 1: sold something and actually interrogate, Well, hang on a second,

849
00:41:20,087 --> 00:41:22,047
Speaker 1: is it as good for her as she thinks?

850
00:41:22,767 --> 00:41:24,727
Speaker 3: How does that's even so patronized?

851
00:41:24,727 --> 00:41:27,647
Speaker 1: I mean good for her, But it was interesting when

852
00:41:27,647 --> 00:41:29,647
Speaker 1: he said, oh, it's fifty to fifty. She does more,

853
00:41:29,687 --> 00:41:31,807
Speaker 1: I do less, And I'm like, that's not fifty to fifty.

854
00:41:32,047 --> 00:41:36,167
Speaker 1: But also I just think it's interesting to explore it.

855
00:41:36,207 --> 00:41:39,447
Speaker 1: I think that it's really simplistic to say it's women

856
00:41:40,287 --> 00:41:44,287
Speaker 1: against women and everyone's trying to justify their own position.

857
00:41:45,167 --> 00:41:47,887
Speaker 1: I think that in the same way that we interrogate

858
00:41:48,447 --> 00:41:51,727
Speaker 1: the photos that the Kardashians put on Instagram to say,

859
00:41:51,767 --> 00:41:55,247
Speaker 1: hang on, is this reel to me? This journalist was

860
00:41:55,287 --> 00:41:57,687
Speaker 1: doing the same thing saying is this real? Are these

861
00:41:57,727 --> 00:42:00,887
Speaker 1: trad wives real? When Nara Smith is making butter from

862
00:42:00,927 --> 00:42:04,847
Speaker 1: scratch while she has three children or four children under

863
00:42:04,887 --> 00:42:07,207
Speaker 1: three or whatever it is, who actually is looking after

864
00:42:07,247 --> 00:42:08,887
Speaker 1: those children while she does that?

865
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Speaker 2: I don't like that eye that that's just like saying,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing when she's working? What all these

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Speaker 2: women are doing? Are working? No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no no. I don't mean that she should

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Speaker 1: be doing both. But I'm saying for most women who

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Speaker 1: are at home with children as primary cares. And that's

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Speaker 1: what tread life is about. It's about reinforcing gender roles

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Speaker 1: and about women being homemakers and men being breadwinners and

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Speaker 1: men being the head of the household. So when she's

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Speaker 1: doing that, when she's spending, you know, and of course

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Speaker 1: the four hours it takes to make butter from scratch

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Speaker 1: and bread from scratch and cheese from scratch to make

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Speaker 1: the toasty is condensed into a really cute little ninety

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Speaker 1: second Instagram video. Today we're making some Turkish eggs, So

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Speaker 1: we started off by straining some of Daniel's homemade yogurt

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Speaker 1: in a cheesecloth and hung that so it could get

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Speaker 1: a bit thicker.

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Speaker 2: Then I wash my butter.

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Speaker 1: Who is looking after the children for four hours. If

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Speaker 1: it's a partner, that's another thing. But these children that

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Speaker 1: she has as part of this tried wife gen they

886
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Speaker 1: sort of just seem to disappear. So I think that

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Speaker 1: being suspicious and interrogating potential hypocrisy there is just saying

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Speaker 1: are we setting women up to fail? Are these women

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Speaker 1: being deceptive in setting other women to fail by selling

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Speaker 1: something that's actually not entirely true.

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Speaker 3: I think that there is a branch of feminism, and

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Speaker 3: it is not a big branch, but it is a

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Speaker 3: branch where if we're truly honest with ourselves, then it

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Speaker 3: is women who think you cannot possibly be happy at

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Speaker 3: home looking after children, and walking into that situation, it

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Speaker 3: was like, she can't be happy surely she can't be happy.

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Speaker 3: I think that is degrading to women. I think it's offensive,

898
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Speaker 3: and I think that we're radicalizing each other on either ends.

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Speaker 2: But Jesse, what about the fact that for a lot

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Speaker 2: of women who are at home full time looking after

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Speaker 2: their children, their lives look nothing like this? Of course,

902
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Speaker 2: and so these women like you're putting it in a

903
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Speaker 2: very simplistic view that we're talking about career women versus

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Speaker 2: women who aren't working outside the home. I I think

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Speaker 2: that's what traadwives are about at all, because they're selling

906
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Speaker 2: a model of being at home and being a full

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Speaker 2: time care that is disingenuous because they are working. They

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Speaker 2: are working, I agree. And also for a lot of moms,

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Speaker 2: including myself, of parents, getting any kind of meal on

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Speaker 2: the table is hard enough, right, Getting your kid to

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Speaker 2: eat it is hard enough. And then I've now got

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Speaker 2: this standard over here of like, well did you make

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Speaker 2: that butter? Like I didn't even know you could make

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Speaker 2: butter until I started following ur neither Like. I know

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Speaker 2: what you're saying, and I agree and sympathize with a

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Speaker 2: lot of it. I think we have to absolutely do

917
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Speaker 2: away with any kind of lean in ere a snark

918
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Speaker 2: about women who don't want to be climbing any ladders.

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Speaker 2: But these women are working and they are selling us

920
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Speaker 2: a different kind of bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Out Louders, We're going to be talking about this more

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Speaker 1: on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Tell us what you think in the Mummeya out Louders

924
00:44:58,087 --> 00:45:00,167
Speaker 3: Facebook group, or you can send us a voice note

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Speaker 3: to out loud at momameya dot com dot au. We

926
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Speaker 3: would love you to be part of the conversation and

927
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Speaker 3: join us on Friday where we will pick it up.

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Speaker 2: Out Louders, what embarrassing or cringey moments do you think

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Speaker 2: about when you wake up at two am? On last

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Speaker 2: week's Subscribe episode, we shed our embarrassing moments and if

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Speaker 2: you want to have a listen, there's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: link in mishap notes.

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Speaker 3: And before we go, we are going to announce the

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Speaker 3: winner of the price, because we always need a winner.

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Speaker 3: The prize we made up on the spot, which was

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Speaker 3: signed copies of our books. It is going to an

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Speaker 3: out louder named Sophie Counsel who listens to Mummy Are

938
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Speaker 3: out Loud from Morson Research station in Antartica, and we're

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Speaker 3: just so glad she's found Wi Fi. We don't understand

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Speaker 3: how the Wi Fi works down there.

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Speaker 1: She has penguins. The penguins really sealed the deal for.

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Speaker 3: Me, exactly right. We will be signing copies of those

943
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Speaker 3: books and sending them to we don't know will they

944
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Speaker 3: get that.

945
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I was going to just get our producer M to

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Speaker 3: do it. She's gonna. That's gonna, honestly, the things that

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Speaker 3: are on your list as an out Loud producer, M

949
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Speaker 3: find out how to send three books to the penguins

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Speaker 3: and our park pickup. Thank you so much, and thank

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Speaker 3: you for everyone who shared. We are obsessed. You honestly

952
00:46:13,167 --> 00:46:15,447
Speaker 3: haven't made us so happy. Looking at all the different

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Speaker 3: places you're listening to our bad.

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Speaker 2: We loved it so many different places.

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Speaker 3: Please don't stop tagging us. We love it.

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Speaker 2: We've got more books.

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Speaker 3: We've got more books. Please, if you think you can

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Speaker 3: beat Antarctica, lady, or wherever you are, we just really

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Speaker 3: want to see, so share a photo wherever you're listening,

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Speaker 3: tag mameir out Loud. It honestly brings us so much joy.

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Speaker 2: We had a lot of tractors, a lot of tractors.

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Speaker 2: We love that. Thank you so much to you out

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Speaker 2: louders for doing that and for listening to today's show,

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Speaker 2: and of course to our fabulous team for putting it together.

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Speaker 2: We will be back in your ears tomorrow. Bye. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you love

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