1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,914 Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm On with mea podcast. 2 00:00:15,074 --> 00:00:18,154 Speaker 2: Hi, Ubs, it's m vendom here in your ears die 3 00:00:18,194 --> 00:00:20,674 Speaker 2: hard Ubs will remember me as a previous host of 4 00:00:20,714 --> 00:00:23,594 Speaker 2: You Beauty, and you might also be missing our lovely erin. 5 00:00:23,754 --> 00:00:25,553 Speaker 2: You can always hear me over on mum and me 6 00:00:25,634 --> 00:00:26,074 Speaker 2: out loud. 7 00:00:26,114 --> 00:00:26,354 Speaker 3: Though. 8 00:00:26,674 --> 00:00:29,314 Speaker 2: It is a public holiday today, and I'm here to 9 00:00:29,394 --> 00:00:32,194 Speaker 2: let you know that your regular Q and A episode 10 00:00:32,234 --> 00:00:35,434 Speaker 2: will be dropping into your feed tomorrow. We wouldn't leave 11 00:00:35,473 --> 00:00:37,714 Speaker 2: you high and dry, though. One of the most common 12 00:00:37,793 --> 00:00:40,073 Speaker 2: questions we get this time of year is about sun 13 00:00:40,153 --> 00:00:43,714 Speaker 2: damage and pigmentation. Because even if you're wearing your SPF 14 00:00:43,873 --> 00:00:46,793 Speaker 2: every day like you should, warm weather and enjoying your 15 00:00:46,833 --> 00:00:49,874 Speaker 2: summer out and about can impact your skin. That's why 16 00:00:49,873 --> 00:00:53,993 Speaker 2: we're resharing this fabulous interview with dermatologist doctor Ryan d'acruz 17 00:00:53,994 --> 00:00:57,394 Speaker 2: and og You Beauty host Aaron Dockerty. We're diving into 18 00:00:57,394 --> 00:01:00,234 Speaker 2: the best ways to manage your sun damage, dark spots 19 00:01:00,273 --> 00:01:06,154 Speaker 2: and redness, plus the best product recommendations. Enjoy makeup is 20 00:01:06,234 --> 00:01:07,113 Speaker 2: my therapy. 21 00:01:07,234 --> 00:01:13,794 Speaker 1: I'm obsess and I don't even feel guilty about it. Hello, 22 00:01:14,034 --> 00:01:16,914 Speaker 1: and welcome to You Beauty, the daily podcast for your 23 00:01:16,914 --> 00:01:21,314 Speaker 1: Face I'm Aaron Dougherty and welcome to the formula. Welcome back. 24 00:01:21,394 --> 00:01:24,194 Speaker 1: We're back in your ears for twenty twenty five and 25 00:01:24,474 --> 00:01:28,114 Speaker 1: I have got such a great show for you today. Firstly, 26 00:01:28,234 --> 00:01:30,914 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed our summer content where we talked 27 00:01:30,914 --> 00:01:35,634 Speaker 1: about everything from summer skin tips, our makeup and skincare resolutions, 28 00:01:35,634 --> 00:01:38,554 Speaker 1: which we're definitely going to keepe I promise, and what's 29 00:01:38,594 --> 00:01:40,954 Speaker 1: trending in twenty twenty five. And if you're one of 30 00:01:40,994 --> 00:01:43,234 Speaker 1: the really lucky people who were on holiday and you've 31 00:01:43,234 --> 00:01:46,074 Speaker 1: missed everything, we're going to pop a link in the 32 00:01:46,114 --> 00:01:48,554 Speaker 1: show notes, go and take a listen to all our 33 00:01:48,594 --> 00:01:52,154 Speaker 1: great you beauty summer content. Today, we're going to start 34 00:01:52,194 --> 00:01:55,714 Speaker 1: the show off with a bang. I have dermatologist Doctor 35 00:01:55,834 --> 00:02:00,114 Speaker 1: Ryan D'Cruz stopping BIFO chat and I'm so excited because 36 00:02:00,114 --> 00:02:02,474 Speaker 1: I don't want to brag, but Doctor Ryan and I 37 00:02:02,714 --> 00:02:06,074 Speaker 1: go way back. We actually both attended an event with 38 00:02:06,194 --> 00:02:08,674 Speaker 1: Sarah Vi in You York the other year, and I 39 00:02:08,714 --> 00:02:11,913 Speaker 1: can confirm he knows a thing or two about skin working. 40 00:02:11,913 --> 00:02:14,953 Speaker 1: In his clinic in Melbourne, Dr Ryan tackles everything from 41 00:02:14,994 --> 00:02:20,114 Speaker 1: exhama to acne rosatia, psoriasis, laser treatments, and even hair 42 00:02:20,154 --> 00:02:23,514 Speaker 1: loss disorders. Today we're going to be grilling him on 43 00:02:23,594 --> 00:02:28,394 Speaker 1: all things post summer skin recovery, from hyperpigmentation to redness, 44 00:02:28,554 --> 00:02:32,234 Speaker 1: dark spots, and everything in between. We're gonna ask him 45 00:02:32,274 --> 00:02:35,114 Speaker 1: his tips on how to nab yourself clear, glowing and 46 00:02:35,194 --> 00:02:39,074 Speaker 1: healthy looking skin, including the three products everyone you'd have 47 00:02:39,154 --> 00:02:43,274 Speaker 1: in their skincare routine and the wildly overrated treatment. Dr 48 00:02:43,354 --> 00:02:46,154 Speaker 1: Ryan thinks you're wasting your money on you are such 49 00:02:46,434 --> 00:02:52,314 Speaker 1: beautiful skin, but how Doctor Ryan. Thank you so much 50 00:02:52,354 --> 00:02:53,554 Speaker 1: for coming on the show today. 51 00:02:53,594 --> 00:02:54,353 Speaker 3: It's a new year. 52 00:02:54,794 --> 00:02:55,914 Speaker 1: We're so stoked to have you. 53 00:02:56,114 --> 00:02:58,314 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for inviting me. It's super exciting. 54 00:02:58,394 --> 00:03:00,793 Speaker 1: We have all of the questions to ask you all 55 00:03:00,794 --> 00:03:04,234 Speaker 1: about post summer skin, dealing with all the skin issues 56 00:03:04,274 --> 00:03:06,793 Speaker 1: that we may or may not have accrued over the 57 00:03:06,874 --> 00:03:09,354 Speaker 1: christ this period, I want to dive right into it. 58 00:03:09,434 --> 00:03:11,914 Speaker 1: What are some of the most common signs of skin 59 00:03:12,034 --> 00:03:14,514 Speaker 1: damage that you see after summer. 60 00:03:14,914 --> 00:03:18,074 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's fair to say that Australians love summer. 61 00:03:18,234 --> 00:03:21,154 Speaker 4: We are at beach going nation. We love when we 62 00:03:21,194 --> 00:03:23,754 Speaker 4: have Christmas. It's that times to spend with our family 63 00:03:23,794 --> 00:03:26,994 Speaker 4: and friends, it's all outdoors or largely outdoors. And I 64 00:03:27,114 --> 00:03:30,594 Speaker 4: definitely think we see the effects of sun post summer 65 00:03:30,674 --> 00:03:34,434 Speaker 4: in terms of dry skin, sun burnt skin, and pigmentation. 66 00:03:34,834 --> 00:03:37,234 Speaker 4: So they're the most common concerns that I will be 67 00:03:37,314 --> 00:03:40,154 Speaker 4: asked about and I see on a daily basis. And 68 00:03:40,314 --> 00:03:42,834 Speaker 4: even though we're so many years into the slip slop 69 00:03:42,874 --> 00:03:45,954 Speaker 4: slap kind of messaging era, I still see a lot 70 00:03:45,954 --> 00:03:48,754 Speaker 4: of patients coming in with, you know, freshly sunburnt skin 71 00:03:48,794 --> 00:03:49,554 Speaker 4: and it really. 72 00:03:49,354 --> 00:03:51,354 Speaker 1: Kills me, really hurts when you see it. 73 00:03:51,794 --> 00:03:55,794 Speaker 4: Absolutely that lobs to pink skin, sheets of peeling, and 74 00:03:55,874 --> 00:03:58,194 Speaker 4: I think to myself, gosh, surely we're past this. But 75 00:03:58,234 --> 00:04:01,554 Speaker 4: the reality is that still so many Australians don't actually 76 00:04:01,634 --> 00:04:05,394 Speaker 4: apply their sunscreen regularly or effectively. And I think the 77 00:04:05,434 --> 00:04:07,874 Speaker 4: statistics are something like seven hours out of ten Australians 78 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:10,954 Speaker 4: we have got sunburnt in the last week alone, and 79 00:04:11,074 --> 00:04:13,194 Speaker 4: of course it's you know, peak summer. This is something 80 00:04:13,194 --> 00:04:14,274 Speaker 4: that we should all be thinking. 81 00:04:14,034 --> 00:04:16,594 Speaker 1: About, definitely, and I think, I mean, we'll get into 82 00:04:16,634 --> 00:04:18,993 Speaker 1: it later, but there's so many great products out at 83 00:04:19,034 --> 00:04:23,794 Speaker 1: the moment for sunscreen, Like it's just impossible to almost 84 00:04:23,794 --> 00:04:26,553 Speaker 1: not wear sunscreen now. There's something for everyone. I just 85 00:04:26,594 --> 00:04:29,313 Speaker 1: want to touch on hyperpigmentation a little bit. You mentioned 86 00:04:29,313 --> 00:04:32,474 Speaker 1: that why does that come out during summer. 87 00:04:32,753 --> 00:04:34,514 Speaker 4: It might sound obvious, but to a lot of people 88 00:04:34,553 --> 00:04:38,073 Speaker 4: don't kind of realize that UV radiation and white light, 89 00:04:38,154 --> 00:04:41,634 Speaker 4: which are both emitted by the sun, are very stimulatory 90 00:04:41,753 --> 00:04:45,193 Speaker 4: not only to our immune system but also to our melanocytes. 91 00:04:45,274 --> 00:04:46,193 Speaker 3: Now, believe it or. 92 00:04:46,193 --> 00:04:49,113 Speaker 4: Not, you and I have the same number of melanocytes. 93 00:04:49,193 --> 00:04:52,073 Speaker 4: It's just that mina really very very active and produce 94 00:04:52,113 --> 00:04:54,713 Speaker 4: a lot of melanosomes, which give me my skin color, 95 00:04:54,993 --> 00:04:56,753 Speaker 4: and yours are a little less active. 96 00:04:56,433 --> 00:04:59,033 Speaker 1: Shopkin color, maybe like a blue purple. 97 00:05:00,794 --> 00:05:03,154 Speaker 4: Now, the thing is that these UV radiation and white 98 00:05:03,234 --> 00:05:06,674 Speaker 4: light stimulates the melano sites to produce more melanosomes, which 99 00:05:06,714 --> 00:05:08,433 Speaker 4: is what contains our melanin. 100 00:05:08,553 --> 00:05:09,313 Speaker 3: So that's the pigment. 101 00:05:09,474 --> 00:05:12,434 Speaker 4: And those milanosomes travel up through the skin to give 102 00:05:12,513 --> 00:05:15,713 Speaker 4: us that immediate tanning. But they can also stay there 103 00:05:15,834 --> 00:05:18,313 Speaker 4: and remain in clumps, and that's what we'll call sun 104 00:05:18,354 --> 00:05:22,034 Speaker 4: freckling or solo antigenies. These sort of solo antigenies, they 105 00:05:22,034 --> 00:05:25,074 Speaker 4: can maybe get slightly larger and slightly darker over time, 106 00:05:25,154 --> 00:05:27,794 Speaker 4: but once they are there they're sort of there to stay. 107 00:05:28,513 --> 00:05:30,873 Speaker 4: The other really common concern is that of malasma, which 108 00:05:30,873 --> 00:05:33,433 Speaker 4: I'm sure you've heard about and many many people suffer from. 109 00:05:33,474 --> 00:05:36,594 Speaker 4: And this is a very complex condition. It's actually truly 110 00:05:36,674 --> 00:05:41,033 Speaker 4: medical condition. That's the combination of hormonal influences, genetic influences, 111 00:05:41,354 --> 00:05:44,113 Speaker 4: and sun exposure and white light exposure. So there are 112 00:05:44,193 --> 00:05:48,313 Speaker 4: various different types of pigmentation, the solar antigenies or sun freckling, 113 00:05:48,513 --> 00:05:51,753 Speaker 4: just the gradual tanning that we achieve, and malasma, and 114 00:05:51,753 --> 00:05:53,714 Speaker 4: sometimes it can be a combination of these. 115 00:05:53,753 --> 00:05:55,954 Speaker 1: I think, because yeah, it is so confusing because you 116 00:05:55,993 --> 00:05:58,473 Speaker 1: look at hyperpigmentation, then you've got malasma, and you're like, oy, 117 00:05:58,513 --> 00:06:01,593 Speaker 1: they're the same things. If someone wants to tackle these 118 00:06:01,674 --> 00:06:04,954 Speaker 1: kind of post summer skin issues, what should their first 119 00:06:04,993 --> 00:06:07,873 Speaker 1: steps be and what are the biggest mistakes that you 120 00:06:07,914 --> 00:06:11,354 Speaker 1: see people making to try and quickly treat their skin. 121 00:06:11,753 --> 00:06:14,113 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think having a good understanding of the 122 00:06:14,234 --> 00:06:17,193 Speaker 4: exact diagnosis or the type of pigmentation that you have 123 00:06:17,393 --> 00:06:20,713 Speaker 4: is very critical because it also depends on where in 124 00:06:20,753 --> 00:06:22,794 Speaker 4: the level of the skin your pigment is sitting, whether 125 00:06:22,834 --> 00:06:25,234 Speaker 4: it's sitting up in the epidermis, which is more superficial 126 00:06:25,354 --> 00:06:28,433 Speaker 4: or deeper in the dermis, the treatment options are completely different. 127 00:06:29,113 --> 00:06:33,073 Speaker 4: Seeing a dermal clinician, a skin aesthetic doctor, a dermatologist, 128 00:06:33,113 --> 00:06:35,914 Speaker 4: someone to give you a good idea of what's going on, 129 00:06:36,433 --> 00:06:39,073 Speaker 4: rather than just simply turning onto our socials and trying 130 00:06:39,073 --> 00:06:42,033 Speaker 4: to self diagnose, I think is the first step, and 131 00:06:42,073 --> 00:06:44,033 Speaker 4: then the second step is to actually sit back and 132 00:06:44,034 --> 00:06:47,273 Speaker 4: go all right, well, what treatment am I being prescribed 133 00:06:47,393 --> 00:06:51,194 Speaker 4: or recommended and why? Because a lot of the treatments 134 00:06:51,193 --> 00:06:55,714 Speaker 4: that purport to have a quick fix capability often either 135 00:06:55,873 --> 00:07:00,714 Speaker 4: incredibly harsh, incredibly expensive, or associated with a significant rebound. 136 00:07:00,794 --> 00:07:03,193 Speaker 4: So people will often drop I don't know, one to 137 00:07:03,274 --> 00:07:06,073 Speaker 4: three thousand dollars on a skin treatment. You know, it's 138 00:07:06,113 --> 00:07:09,554 Speaker 4: not uncommon for to have presented to me having dropped 139 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:12,034 Speaker 4: that sort of money, but their pigmentation has just come 140 00:07:12,234 --> 00:07:14,834 Speaker 4: right back because a lot of these quick fixed treatments 141 00:07:14,874 --> 00:07:16,074 Speaker 4: are very short term. 142 00:07:16,234 --> 00:07:19,234 Speaker 1: What about at home skincare treatments. Do you see a 143 00:07:19,234 --> 00:07:22,154 Speaker 1: lot of people coming into the clinic saying that I've 144 00:07:22,234 --> 00:07:24,074 Speaker 1: used X, y Z, I've tried everything. 145 00:07:24,194 --> 00:07:25,794 Speaker 4: Certainly, so, I think a lot of people already know 146 00:07:25,834 --> 00:07:28,434 Speaker 4: about the benefits of vitamin C. For example, and use 147 00:07:28,474 --> 00:07:31,314 Speaker 4: of that for hyperpigmentation, and we're going to come to sunscreen, 148 00:07:31,354 --> 00:07:34,554 Speaker 4: I know. But I think overexfoliating, or use of very 149 00:07:34,594 --> 00:07:37,754 Speaker 4: harsh ingredients that contain upwards of ten to twenty percent 150 00:07:37,834 --> 00:07:40,634 Speaker 4: alph hydroxy acids beta hydroxy acids, almost trying to scrub 151 00:07:40,674 --> 00:07:44,393 Speaker 4: away that pigmentation, which then really damages our skin barrier, 152 00:07:44,994 --> 00:07:47,354 Speaker 4: is a very common problem. I guess they're trying to, yeah, 153 00:07:47,393 --> 00:07:48,314 Speaker 4: cleanse away. 154 00:07:48,154 --> 00:07:51,794 Speaker 1: The science clendid away. They're like, let me just scrub. 155 00:07:51,434 --> 00:07:54,033 Speaker 4: It right off, yeah, which clearly just doesn't happen and 156 00:07:54,154 --> 00:07:58,114 Speaker 4: often causes worsening of pigmentation, inflammation, and the skin barrier. 157 00:07:58,194 --> 00:08:00,273 Speaker 1: That would be similar to acne as well. I guess 158 00:08:00,393 --> 00:08:02,554 Speaker 1: a lot of acne prime patients would do the same thing. 159 00:08:02,714 --> 00:08:03,274 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 160 00:08:03,393 --> 00:08:06,514 Speaker 4: Overexfoliation in the acne cohored is rife, and I think 161 00:08:06,514 --> 00:08:08,994 Speaker 4: their skin barre is often very very delicate, and they're 162 00:08:09,034 --> 00:08:11,394 Speaker 4: so sensitive because of all of the skin care products 163 00:08:11,393 --> 00:08:12,194 Speaker 4: that they've used at home. 164 00:08:12,314 --> 00:08:14,274 Speaker 1: I think, as you say, when you look at social media, 165 00:08:14,314 --> 00:08:17,234 Speaker 1: there's so much out there, and it's over serving products 166 00:08:17,234 --> 00:08:21,033 Speaker 1: so many actives, and overuse is just such a common 167 00:08:21,074 --> 00:08:21,674 Speaker 1: thing right now. 168 00:08:21,754 --> 00:08:25,674 Speaker 4: It's over usage, it's very confusing, overwhelming for anyone. And 169 00:08:25,714 --> 00:08:28,434 Speaker 4: you see all of these obviously very heavily edited and 170 00:08:28,474 --> 00:08:31,314 Speaker 4: filtered photos and all you want is that skin. And 171 00:08:31,354 --> 00:08:33,594 Speaker 4: then of course it's associated with a product that someone's 172 00:08:33,594 --> 00:08:35,474 Speaker 4: trying to promote. It's very difficult, I think, to be 173 00:08:35,554 --> 00:08:37,473 Speaker 4: a consumer in twenty twenty five. 174 00:08:37,674 --> 00:08:40,114 Speaker 1: But that's why we've got you on the shade. Tell me, 175 00:08:40,274 --> 00:08:44,554 Speaker 1: can all types of sun damage, whether it's pigmentation, malasma, 176 00:08:44,874 --> 00:08:48,394 Speaker 1: can these be reversed? Like what kind of limitations do 177 00:08:48,434 --> 00:08:50,514 Speaker 1: you have when it comes to skincare? 178 00:08:50,754 --> 00:08:51,714 Speaker 3: Yes, really good question. 179 00:08:51,834 --> 00:08:55,554 Speaker 4: I think when you have mild pigmentation, so mild freckling, 180 00:08:55,794 --> 00:08:59,394 Speaker 4: mild malasma, and a tanning or blotchy skin that you're 181 00:08:59,394 --> 00:09:01,594 Speaker 4: not super happy with, that's where skin care can play 182 00:09:01,594 --> 00:09:04,154 Speaker 4: a role. I think skincare is far better as a 183 00:09:04,194 --> 00:09:07,394 Speaker 4: preventative rather than a cure or a treatment. And I 184 00:09:07,394 --> 00:09:09,474 Speaker 4: think a lot of people will reach for skincare hoping 185 00:09:09,514 --> 00:09:12,074 Speaker 4: that it'll be the holy grail and completely you know, 186 00:09:12,434 --> 00:09:14,314 Speaker 4: depigment their skin, and the reality is. 187 00:09:14,314 --> 00:09:14,834 Speaker 3: It just can't. 188 00:09:14,874 --> 00:09:15,514 Speaker 4: It just doesn't. 189 00:09:15,674 --> 00:09:16,594 Speaker 3: It's not strong enough. 190 00:09:16,634 --> 00:09:18,634 Speaker 4: Many of our products that we've had available to date 191 00:09:19,234 --> 00:09:23,354 Speaker 4: just really can't compete with prescription therapies or laser based therapies, 192 00:09:23,394 --> 00:09:25,714 Speaker 4: and that's just a fact. But I think the idea 193 00:09:25,794 --> 00:09:28,154 Speaker 4: is that having a good skincare routine as a basis 194 00:09:28,234 --> 00:09:30,994 Speaker 4: heading into summer is a really good idea, and then 195 00:09:31,114 --> 00:09:33,914 Speaker 4: any pigmentation that's sort of residual after that may need 196 00:09:33,994 --> 00:09:37,474 Speaker 4: more specific targeted therapies that you'd need on prescription or 197 00:09:37,514 --> 00:09:37,994 Speaker 4: in clinic. 198 00:09:38,234 --> 00:09:40,874 Speaker 1: We've obviously touched on post summer skin, but I'm just 199 00:09:40,994 --> 00:09:44,074 Speaker 1: curious what other kind of skin concerns do you see 200 00:09:44,554 --> 00:09:47,074 Speaker 1: walking through your clinic doors on the regular. Has there 201 00:09:47,074 --> 00:09:48,514 Speaker 1: been like an uptick in anything. 202 00:09:48,834 --> 00:09:51,754 Speaker 4: Something that's probably not spoken about that frequently is that 203 00:09:51,754 --> 00:09:54,274 Speaker 4: there's a number of skin conditions that can be triggered 204 00:09:54,314 --> 00:09:57,794 Speaker 4: by sun or actually aggravated by sun exposure, and patients 205 00:09:57,874 --> 00:10:00,674 Speaker 4: really suffer. So patients who might have a type of 206 00:10:00,674 --> 00:10:04,114 Speaker 4: exzima called photo exacerbated XMA, so they literally get worse 207 00:10:04,394 --> 00:10:06,834 Speaker 4: over summer. Now, we often think of the summer time 208 00:10:07,234 --> 00:10:10,353 Speaker 4: on the salt water is being very helpful for skin conditions, 209 00:10:10,434 --> 00:10:12,674 Speaker 4: and it certainly can be for some, but there are 210 00:10:12,674 --> 00:10:15,234 Speaker 4: a number of patients who have conditions like PMLA or 211 00:10:15,234 --> 00:10:18,394 Speaker 4: polymorphic light eruption who actually summers the worst time of 212 00:10:18,434 --> 00:10:20,674 Speaker 4: year for them because they've got this genetic or innate 213 00:10:20,754 --> 00:10:24,034 Speaker 4: sensitivity to sunlight. So I do see a number of 214 00:10:24,074 --> 00:10:26,034 Speaker 4: patients go, oh, you know, I can only spend five 215 00:10:26,114 --> 00:10:28,674 Speaker 4: or ten minutes in the sun before I'm either blistering 216 00:10:28,754 --> 00:10:31,514 Speaker 4: or I'm super sore or super itchy. So that we 217 00:10:31,554 --> 00:10:34,194 Speaker 4: see a lot of those more sun induced conditions coming 218 00:10:34,194 --> 00:10:35,114 Speaker 4: out this time of year. 219 00:10:35,234 --> 00:10:37,714 Speaker 1: That's so interesting because you look at winter and you're like, oh, 220 00:10:37,754 --> 00:10:40,114 Speaker 1: that's when all this bad skin conditions come out, and 221 00:10:40,114 --> 00:10:42,314 Speaker 1: then just kidding it year round. 222 00:10:50,114 --> 00:10:52,154 Speaker 3: I mean, what is your self care to you give 223 00:10:52,234 --> 00:10:54,674 Speaker 3: us the dirty? 224 00:10:55,874 --> 00:10:58,954 Speaker 1: Talk me through what you like using during summer. What's 225 00:10:59,034 --> 00:11:02,514 Speaker 1: actually in a dermatologist's skin care covered. 226 00:11:02,354 --> 00:11:04,514 Speaker 4: Well, I think the first thing, I mean, particularly you 227 00:11:04,554 --> 00:11:06,634 Speaker 4: are and we'll note that the products that I've brought 228 00:11:06,674 --> 00:11:10,594 Speaker 4: in not particularly expensive. I really don't subscribe to putting 229 00:11:10,634 --> 00:11:13,034 Speaker 4: in a lot of money into skincare. I think you're 230 00:11:13,074 --> 00:11:16,074 Speaker 4: allowed to splurge on one or two hero ingredients, certainly 231 00:11:16,074 --> 00:11:18,714 Speaker 4: those that have good evidence behind them. But I think 232 00:11:18,714 --> 00:11:21,474 Speaker 4: when it comes to skincare, in many cases, less is more, 233 00:11:21,914 --> 00:11:24,874 Speaker 4: and I think it's about using tried and tested ingredients 234 00:11:24,914 --> 00:11:27,154 Speaker 4: that don't irritate and certainly don't cost a bomb. So 235 00:11:27,274 --> 00:11:29,034 Speaker 4: the sort of products that you're seeing here on the 236 00:11:29,074 --> 00:11:31,114 Speaker 4: table are the products that I have in my own home. 237 00:11:31,114 --> 00:11:32,754 Speaker 4: It's the ones that I recommend to my wife and 238 00:11:32,794 --> 00:11:35,114 Speaker 4: my kids, and this is what I really like. So 239 00:11:35,154 --> 00:11:37,034 Speaker 4: I think you would be remissive us not to talk 240 00:11:37,074 --> 00:11:41,314 Speaker 4: about sunscreen over summer, and sunscreen is a very controversial topic. 241 00:11:41,474 --> 00:11:45,194 Speaker 4: There's a lot of very active voices on social media 242 00:11:45,274 --> 00:11:49,154 Speaker 4: that critique chemical sunscreens and really, you know, suggest that 243 00:11:49,154 --> 00:11:51,354 Speaker 4: they're the devil. There are others that really believe, very 244 00:11:51,394 --> 00:11:54,794 Speaker 4: strongly that physical blockers are very much superior. I'd really 245 00:11:54,874 --> 00:11:56,354 Speaker 4: like to set the record straight here. 246 00:11:56,434 --> 00:11:58,474 Speaker 1: I would love you too, because it's scary out there. 247 00:11:58,434 --> 00:11:59,674 Speaker 3: Right now, really scary. 248 00:11:59,754 --> 00:12:03,154 Speaker 4: So the idea behind a physical blocker like titanium or 249 00:12:03,274 --> 00:12:05,914 Speaker 4: zinc is that they're very very effective sunscreens. That's why 250 00:12:05,954 --> 00:12:09,154 Speaker 4: they've been around for so long. They reflect UV radiation 251 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:12,234 Speaker 4: and that's what protects our underlying skin cells and our DNA. 252 00:12:13,194 --> 00:12:16,834 Speaker 4: Of course, the problem with metal based sunscreens is the texture. 253 00:12:16,914 --> 00:12:19,474 Speaker 4: They're thick, they're greasy, and there are very very few 254 00:12:19,554 --> 00:12:22,794 Speaker 4: formulations out there on the market that are cosmetically elegant, 255 00:12:23,234 --> 00:12:25,834 Speaker 4: but they have good sticking factor. So when you've applied zinc, 256 00:12:25,994 --> 00:12:28,234 Speaker 4: it's likely that even a few hours later, that sink 257 00:12:28,274 --> 00:12:30,154 Speaker 4: will still be there. I mean, we should still be 258 00:12:30,194 --> 00:12:33,314 Speaker 4: reapplying it. But the idea behind it a physical blocker 259 00:12:33,434 --> 00:12:36,514 Speaker 4: is that it sticks really well and it reflects the radiation. 260 00:12:37,354 --> 00:12:40,034 Speaker 4: Chemical filters or chemical sunscreens have got a really bad 261 00:12:40,114 --> 00:12:42,594 Speaker 4: rap over the last i'd say five years, and I 262 00:12:42,594 --> 00:12:46,514 Speaker 4: think undeservedly. So there's a lot of very good filters 263 00:12:46,594 --> 00:12:51,914 Speaker 4: that have been chemically engineered by very expert chemists such 264 00:12:51,954 --> 00:12:54,914 Speaker 4: that they not only provide very good SPF fifty plus protection, 265 00:12:55,074 --> 00:12:58,994 Speaker 4: but they're also hypoalergenic. Now, many of the old iterations 266 00:12:59,034 --> 00:13:02,194 Speaker 4: of the chemical filters often triggered skin allergy, and that's 267 00:13:02,274 --> 00:13:04,833 Speaker 4: where I think they've been demonized. So a lot of 268 00:13:04,834 --> 00:13:07,434 Speaker 4: people say, look, I use this chemical sunscreen and my 269 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:10,594 Speaker 4: skin flares are and so I believe them that there 270 00:13:10,594 --> 00:13:13,594 Speaker 4: are certain sunscreens certainly that can cause allergy, but they 271 00:13:13,594 --> 00:13:16,594 Speaker 4: don't all and it's about finding the right products. The 272 00:13:16,634 --> 00:13:19,953 Speaker 4: other important factor mention is that some chemical sunscreens will 273 00:13:19,954 --> 00:13:22,674 Speaker 4: have fragrances in it or preservatives in it, and it's 274 00:13:22,754 --> 00:13:26,594 Speaker 4: those ingredients that are actually triggering the skin allergy rather 275 00:13:26,634 --> 00:13:29,354 Speaker 4: than the sunscreen. So there's no good science that really 276 00:13:29,394 --> 00:13:33,594 Speaker 4: proves that a physical blocker is superior than a chemical 277 00:13:33,634 --> 00:13:37,914 Speaker 4: blocker at preventing UV radiation if they're applied generously, improperly, 278 00:13:38,154 --> 00:13:41,154 Speaker 4: and reapplied. And that's a big problem. No one is 279 00:13:41,234 --> 00:13:43,994 Speaker 4: reapplying the sunscreen on a regular basis, and we know that. 280 00:13:44,234 --> 00:13:45,274 Speaker 4: We all sort of tell us. 281 00:13:45,354 --> 00:13:48,114 Speaker 1: Like, I see your skin, I've looked at the concerns that, babe, 282 00:13:48,154 --> 00:13:48,954 Speaker 1: you're not reapplying. 283 00:13:49,114 --> 00:13:49,554 Speaker 3: That's right. 284 00:13:49,594 --> 00:13:54,434 Speaker 4: So I personally love a good chemical sunscreen that is inert, 285 00:13:54,594 --> 00:13:57,154 Speaker 4: that is fragrance free, so you really can't go past 286 00:13:57,194 --> 00:13:59,114 Speaker 4: the ones that I've got here. So of course, Sarah, 287 00:13:59,114 --> 00:14:01,514 Speaker 4: we have a beautiful facial moisturizing lotion and that is 288 00:14:01,674 --> 00:14:05,074 Speaker 4: SPF fifty. So this is an ideal product for daily usage. 289 00:14:05,074 --> 00:14:09,154 Speaker 4: It's the ultimate two in one, most riser with sunscreen. 290 00:14:08,914 --> 00:14:10,794 Speaker 1: And I love that because I think some people can 291 00:14:10,834 --> 00:14:12,594 Speaker 1: be lazy like that in a way, because like I 292 00:14:12,674 --> 00:14:15,914 Speaker 1: owning moist Rose, exactly, you use a sunscreen, then you're like, 293 00:14:15,914 --> 00:14:17,274 Speaker 1: but I feel dry, and you. 294 00:14:17,194 --> 00:14:18,994 Speaker 4: Don't necessarily want to spend all this time in the 295 00:14:19,034 --> 00:14:21,274 Speaker 4: bathroom and just want to have one product that does it. Also, 296 00:14:21,394 --> 00:14:23,394 Speaker 4: you really can't go past that in terms of what 297 00:14:23,474 --> 00:14:26,114 Speaker 4: sits beautifully under makeup. Of course, you've got the fluid 298 00:14:26,154 --> 00:14:30,794 Speaker 4: so Anthelios, Excel Invisible Fluid and skin Suticles Ultra facial Defense. 299 00:14:30,994 --> 00:14:34,434 Speaker 4: You can't go past these sunscreens. There's super lightweight SPF 300 00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:37,474 Speaker 4: fifty plus board spectrum and the VAUVB. 301 00:14:37,034 --> 00:14:38,834 Speaker 1: The great size as well, Like you can track that 302 00:14:38,874 --> 00:14:41,194 Speaker 1: in your bag and it will make you reapply it 303 00:14:41,234 --> 00:14:43,074 Speaker 1: when you can actually take it around with you and 304 00:14:43,114 --> 00:14:44,794 Speaker 1: it's not going to exact clop open in your. 305 00:14:44,674 --> 00:14:47,754 Speaker 4: Bag, so super convenient. No white casting goes on, super 306 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:50,274 Speaker 4: silky smooth and they disappear. When I apply this to 307 00:14:50,314 --> 00:14:52,234 Speaker 4: the backs of my patient's hands in clinic as a 308 00:14:52,234 --> 00:14:54,994 Speaker 4: bit of a tester, they're sort of really taken aback, like, wow, 309 00:14:55,114 --> 00:14:57,154 Speaker 4: that's really fifty plus. They sort of don't believe me. 310 00:14:57,194 --> 00:14:59,274 Speaker 4: And that's why, you know, I like to show them 311 00:14:59,274 --> 00:15:01,554 Speaker 4: and test it and feel it. The one that I 312 00:15:01,554 --> 00:15:03,594 Speaker 4: have over here now, this is a little Australian brand. 313 00:15:03,634 --> 00:15:05,874 Speaker 4: I don't know if you've heard of it. Propyra Propyra. 314 00:15:06,034 --> 00:15:08,034 Speaker 4: I feel very proud of this brand. It's a Melbourne 315 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:11,274 Speaker 4: based brand, so born and bred. They produce a range 316 00:15:11,314 --> 00:15:14,394 Speaker 4: of skin care products and they're really marketed through dermatologists 317 00:15:14,434 --> 00:15:18,794 Speaker 4: or skin clinics and online. They have this wonderful tinted 318 00:15:19,074 --> 00:15:22,394 Speaker 4: SPA fifty plus that contains niacinamide, which who knows, anti 319 00:15:22,474 --> 00:15:24,754 Speaker 4: inflammatory and I'll talk a bit about later, but also 320 00:15:24,834 --> 00:15:27,874 Speaker 4: vitamin E, so a natural antioxidant. But the reason I 321 00:15:27,954 --> 00:15:30,874 Speaker 4: pick out a tinted sunscreen is for those patients who 322 00:15:30,874 --> 00:15:34,634 Speaker 4: are particularly prone and suffer from malasma or have a 323 00:15:34,674 --> 00:15:37,834 Speaker 4: family history of malasma. Because, as I've sort of alluded to, 324 00:15:38,154 --> 00:15:41,874 Speaker 4: when you're trying to protect against sun exposure, protecting against 325 00:15:41,874 --> 00:15:44,554 Speaker 4: the ultraviolet spectrum is very important, but so too is 326 00:15:44,634 --> 00:15:47,914 Speaker 4: white light. Now, white light's not necessarily blocked out by 327 00:15:47,954 --> 00:15:51,154 Speaker 4: all the chemical or physical sunscreens. The ones that you 328 00:15:51,314 --> 00:15:53,634 Speaker 4: really want to choose the tinted ones that contain iron 329 00:15:53,634 --> 00:15:56,154 Speaker 4: oxide pigments, and this has been proven in many studies 330 00:15:56,434 --> 00:15:59,074 Speaker 4: to be a superior sunscreen for malasma sufferers. 331 00:15:59,114 --> 00:16:00,234 Speaker 3: So that's why I love it. 332 00:16:00,234 --> 00:16:02,394 Speaker 4: It goes on, it sort of sits probably like a 333 00:16:02,474 --> 00:16:05,834 Speaker 4: light foundation for many patients. It goes very smoothly. Again, 334 00:16:05,914 --> 00:16:08,554 Speaker 4: no casting. It's a really hero sunscreen. 335 00:16:08,834 --> 00:16:13,034 Speaker 3: I try that. It's called Propyra. Propyra absolutely, I'll leave 336 00:16:13,034 --> 00:16:13,634 Speaker 3: this one here for you. 337 00:16:13,674 --> 00:16:16,114 Speaker 1: I think I'll take that. 338 00:16:17,354 --> 00:16:19,674 Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, sunscreen it comes down to prevention 339 00:16:19,754 --> 00:16:21,434 Speaker 4: is of course better than a cure. We can prevent 340 00:16:21,434 --> 00:16:23,674 Speaker 4: a lot of skin problems. Once they've set in, it 341 00:16:23,714 --> 00:16:25,314 Speaker 4: can be a little bit of hard work trying to 342 00:16:25,674 --> 00:16:28,434 Speaker 4: correct them. This product here, which is the same brand 343 00:16:28,474 --> 00:16:31,954 Speaker 4: that I mentioned earlier, Propria DNA Resilience Liposomal Cream. It's 344 00:16:31,954 --> 00:16:34,554 Speaker 4: an interesting one because we talk about sun damage and 345 00:16:34,554 --> 00:16:37,434 Speaker 4: what happens in the acute effects of radiation toxicity. So 346 00:16:37,474 --> 00:16:40,634 Speaker 4: that acute sunburn, which is the redness, the pain, the swelling, 347 00:16:40,714 --> 00:16:43,274 Speaker 4: and then the peeling. Now, once you've had a sunburn, 348 00:16:43,354 --> 00:16:45,314 Speaker 4: most people you know will reach for the alo verra 349 00:16:45,514 --> 00:16:48,474 Speaker 4: or moisturizer something to cool their skin, and they're fine 350 00:16:48,514 --> 00:16:50,754 Speaker 4: in terms of just something to soothe, but they're not 351 00:16:50,794 --> 00:16:53,514 Speaker 4: doing much to actually undo or repair the DNA damage 352 00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:56,834 Speaker 4: that you've just done. So this particular product, the DNA 353 00:16:56,874 --> 00:17:00,354 Speaker 4: Resilience Lyposomal Cream, contains a couple of active ingredients that 354 00:17:00,354 --> 00:17:02,754 Speaker 4: have been shown in studies to actually help penetrate the 355 00:17:02,794 --> 00:17:05,874 Speaker 4: skin and repair the DNA damage that you've just induced. 356 00:17:06,194 --> 00:17:08,793 Speaker 4: So it's got an ingreding called for Sklen and photo 357 00:17:08,834 --> 00:17:11,554 Speaker 4: liaise as well as some nice cinemaide and this sort 358 00:17:11,554 --> 00:17:14,074 Speaker 4: of a product I would recommend for someone who's accidentally 359 00:17:14,074 --> 00:17:16,674 Speaker 4: got sunburnt and is in a little bit of pain 360 00:17:16,794 --> 00:17:18,354 Speaker 4: and then they're like, oh god, I'm now going to 361 00:17:18,514 --> 00:17:21,674 Speaker 4: just worsen my malasma or worsen my pre existing sun damage. 362 00:17:21,754 --> 00:17:22,754 Speaker 3: That's the sort of product. 363 00:17:22,914 --> 00:17:24,314 Speaker 1: So that's like a moisturizer. 364 00:17:24,434 --> 00:17:26,874 Speaker 4: Yeah, it can be used as a moisturizer and really 365 00:17:26,914 --> 00:17:29,994 Speaker 4: within thirty minutes to an hour of sun exposure, particularly 366 00:17:29,954 --> 00:17:31,274 Speaker 4: you think you've overdone it. 367 00:17:31,274 --> 00:17:33,074 Speaker 1: As you said, that's usually when you get out like 368 00:17:33,114 --> 00:17:35,994 Speaker 1: the sticky elevator or like gel and you know you're like, 369 00:17:36,034 --> 00:17:37,634 Speaker 1: it's going to sue it, but you know you've. 370 00:17:37,514 --> 00:17:39,154 Speaker 3: Already you've done the data. 371 00:17:39,554 --> 00:17:42,234 Speaker 1: But if anything could possibly help preventer that's right. 372 00:17:42,274 --> 00:17:44,394 Speaker 4: So this has been shown or the ingredients in this 373 00:17:44,434 --> 00:17:47,354 Speaker 4: have been shown to actually undo or help repare true 374 00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:49,114 Speaker 4: DNA damage. So I think that that's a bit of 375 00:17:49,154 --> 00:17:49,513 Speaker 4: a winner. 376 00:17:49,754 --> 00:17:51,994 Speaker 1: So tell me, Ryan, I feel like there's a lot 377 00:17:52,034 --> 00:17:55,754 Speaker 1: of misconception around this, is getting a ten just as 378 00:17:55,754 --> 00:17:56,954 Speaker 1: bad as getting sunburn? 379 00:17:57,274 --> 00:17:58,314 Speaker 3: That's a really good question. 380 00:17:58,394 --> 00:18:00,874 Speaker 4: So we know that an acute sunburn is what we 381 00:18:00,914 --> 00:18:03,914 Speaker 4: would call acute radiation toxicity. So you know one hundred 382 00:18:03,954 --> 00:18:07,394 Speaker 4: percent of sunburn is doing you DNA damage. Thing is 383 00:18:07,434 --> 00:18:09,834 Speaker 4: with tanning is it depends on whether or not you've 384 00:18:09,834 --> 00:18:13,073 Speaker 4: actually tanned through sunscreen, which you can, or whether you've 385 00:18:13,074 --> 00:18:15,394 Speaker 4: actually gone out for that first ten to twenty minutes 386 00:18:15,434 --> 00:18:17,714 Speaker 4: with no sunscreen. What we want to do is block 387 00:18:17,754 --> 00:18:22,394 Speaker 4: out the harmful UV radiation. There are non harmful UV 388 00:18:22,554 --> 00:18:24,354 Speaker 4: rays and white light that we still get that can 389 00:18:24,394 --> 00:18:28,394 Speaker 4: still stimulate amlatasites. So the answer is it depends. When 390 00:18:28,434 --> 00:18:29,954 Speaker 4: my patients say, oh, but I just want a bit 391 00:18:29,994 --> 00:18:33,354 Speaker 4: of a tan, yeah, I really explained to them that 392 00:18:33,394 --> 00:18:36,634 Speaker 4: you can still achieve that whilst protecting your skin, and 393 00:18:36,874 --> 00:18:39,954 Speaker 4: I therefore hesitate to recommend people going out and getting 394 00:18:39,994 --> 00:18:42,194 Speaker 4: a tan because I know that the UV radiation is 395 00:18:42,234 --> 00:18:44,714 Speaker 4: still penetrating their skin if they're not adequately protecting. 396 00:18:44,874 --> 00:18:45,754 Speaker 1: What else have you got? 397 00:18:46,234 --> 00:18:48,594 Speaker 3: So this is malab three serum by Loroche. 398 00:18:49,074 --> 00:18:50,354 Speaker 1: I have heard of it before. 399 00:18:50,634 --> 00:18:53,274 Speaker 4: This is a really interesting product. I've actually grown quite 400 00:18:53,274 --> 00:18:56,273 Speaker 4: fond of it. It's a new iteration of their Nice Cinema, 401 00:18:56,354 --> 00:18:58,553 Speaker 4: So they had a ten percent nice Cinemite serum, but 402 00:18:58,594 --> 00:19:01,474 Speaker 4: it's souped up with a particular ingredient called Mela sill. 403 00:19:01,674 --> 00:19:03,994 Speaker 4: So this is a patterned ingredient by the Loroche pros 404 00:19:03,994 --> 00:19:05,954 Speaker 4: A group. I was a bit skeptical about it at 405 00:19:05,994 --> 00:19:08,354 Speaker 4: the start. I thought, you know, whenever a company comes 406 00:19:08,394 --> 00:19:10,634 Speaker 4: out with a patented ingredient, you always have to mask 407 00:19:11,594 --> 00:19:13,914 Speaker 4: what is it, What does it really mean? What's the research? 408 00:19:14,434 --> 00:19:16,874 Speaker 4: Any numbers around it exactly? Why if you had to 409 00:19:16,914 --> 00:19:19,754 Speaker 4: trademarket That sounds a bit dodgy, But the reason is 410 00:19:19,794 --> 00:19:22,514 Speaker 4: that this particular ingredient in this product was seventeen years 411 00:19:22,514 --> 00:19:24,554 Speaker 4: in the making. The R and D group at the 412 00:19:24,634 --> 00:19:27,954 Speaker 4: Laroche Peese factory in France spent many years trying to 413 00:19:27,994 --> 00:19:32,274 Speaker 4: investigate ingredients that can actually target the melon and synthesis pathway, 414 00:19:32,794 --> 00:19:35,594 Speaker 4: so we know that malasma. To date, we really relied 415 00:19:35,714 --> 00:19:38,634 Speaker 4: very heavily on an ingredient called hydroquinone, which is in 416 00:19:38,674 --> 00:19:41,394 Speaker 4: Australia mostly on prescription. You can get a couple of 417 00:19:41,434 --> 00:19:44,394 Speaker 4: products over the counter with it, but essentially to get 418 00:19:44,434 --> 00:19:46,994 Speaker 4: any great effect from it you usually need five percent. 419 00:19:46,674 --> 00:19:47,874 Speaker 3: Plus, which you need a script for. 420 00:19:47,994 --> 00:19:50,834 Speaker 4: Whereas this ingredient here is actually over the counter and 421 00:19:50,874 --> 00:19:53,513 Speaker 4: has been shown in studies to be fairly comparable to 422 00:19:53,554 --> 00:19:55,794 Speaker 4: some of the lowest ends hydro quinones, and it's very 423 00:19:55,834 --> 00:19:59,554 Speaker 4: safe to use, unlike the hydroquinone where we generally recommend 424 00:19:59,554 --> 00:20:01,674 Speaker 4: it for periods of four or five months and then 425 00:20:01,714 --> 00:20:03,794 Speaker 4: we take a break from it because we worry about 426 00:20:03,794 --> 00:20:05,354 Speaker 4: actually long term side effects. 427 00:20:05,074 --> 00:20:05,634 Speaker 3: From using it. 428 00:20:05,994 --> 00:20:08,194 Speaker 4: So it's a safer product to use long term and 429 00:20:08,234 --> 00:20:10,434 Speaker 4: can be incorporated daily into someone's skin. 430 00:20:10,594 --> 00:20:12,394 Speaker 1: That was going to be my next question, how often 431 00:20:12,434 --> 00:20:14,513 Speaker 1: you would use it. So that's a serum that with 432 00:20:14,554 --> 00:20:15,194 Speaker 1: a little dropper. 433 00:20:15,314 --> 00:20:17,434 Speaker 4: That's right, it's a little serum. It goes on very nicely. 434 00:20:17,474 --> 00:20:19,114 Speaker 4: It's got the nice ininemide in it, which we know 435 00:20:19,154 --> 00:20:22,234 Speaker 4: is naturally anti inflammatory, but also that ingredient mal seal. 436 00:20:22,354 --> 00:20:25,354 Speaker 4: So once to twice daily use is what's recommended, of course, 437 00:20:25,434 --> 00:20:28,154 Speaker 4: in conjunction with you good sunscreen. But this is for 438 00:20:28,234 --> 00:20:30,634 Speaker 4: patients who know that their pigment prone, maybe have some 439 00:20:30,714 --> 00:20:33,354 Speaker 4: early or mild malasma to begin with, and really don't 440 00:20:33,354 --> 00:20:34,874 Speaker 4: want it to get worse over summer, which we. 441 00:20:34,914 --> 00:20:36,834 Speaker 1: Know it will, so that sounds like a great one. 442 00:20:36,914 --> 00:20:38,154 Speaker 3: Yeah, suits a lot of people skin. 443 00:20:38,474 --> 00:20:40,354 Speaker 4: The final products that I've bought in were some lip 444 00:20:40,434 --> 00:20:42,313 Speaker 4: balms and I'm sorry here because I don't have the 445 00:20:42,434 --> 00:20:46,354 Speaker 4: fifty plus version of this, but I'm sure you're with 446 00:20:46,514 --> 00:20:50,314 Speaker 4: Damile Therapy lip Barm. This is the OG lip balm. 447 00:20:50,474 --> 00:20:52,954 Speaker 4: They do a beautiful SB of fifty plus lip barm, 448 00:20:53,274 --> 00:20:56,234 Speaker 4: which I highly highly highly recommend, especially if you're outdoors 449 00:20:56,234 --> 00:20:57,314 Speaker 4: for prolonged periods of time. 450 00:20:57,394 --> 00:20:59,954 Speaker 1: And they've actually recently come out with a new range 451 00:21:00,074 --> 00:21:03,074 Speaker 1: as well, and lots of different tinted formulas too. 452 00:21:03,314 --> 00:21:03,634 Speaker 3: Exactly. 453 00:21:03,674 --> 00:21:06,434 Speaker 4: They've really moved with the times again. Australian company make 454 00:21:06,474 --> 00:21:10,593 Speaker 4: a really good lip It's again very affordable price point wise, 455 00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:12,834 Speaker 4: and many of my patients absolutely love it, so I 456 00:21:12,874 --> 00:21:15,394 Speaker 4: can't go past it, but I do fully recommend the 457 00:21:15,434 --> 00:21:16,793 Speaker 4: spf fifty version of it. 458 00:21:16,914 --> 00:21:18,874 Speaker 1: We'd love a good chemist product. And you've brought so 459 00:21:18,914 --> 00:21:22,234 Speaker 1: many great accessible products. Just to sum it up. If 460 00:21:22,594 --> 00:21:25,313 Speaker 1: you know you're someone who's just confused about you know, 461 00:21:25,354 --> 00:21:27,954 Speaker 1: like the top products that you actually need, what would 462 00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:31,154 Speaker 1: be like three top products that you would recommend having 463 00:21:31,434 --> 00:21:33,154 Speaker 1: in your arsenal for someone. 464 00:21:33,114 --> 00:21:36,194 Speaker 3: So YESPF fifty plus has to be there. Number one. 465 00:21:36,274 --> 00:21:38,313 Speaker 4: Now I haven't brought it here today, which is a 466 00:21:38,314 --> 00:21:40,114 Speaker 4: bit remiss of me. I think may have in my 467 00:21:40,154 --> 00:21:45,114 Speaker 4: suitcase anyway, I like a traveling salesman. It's a vitamin C, 468 00:21:45,314 --> 00:21:47,033 Speaker 4: of course, so we know that a good vitamin C 469 00:21:47,354 --> 00:21:50,114 Speaker 4: serves many roles. Of course, it comes at various different 470 00:21:50,154 --> 00:21:51,954 Speaker 4: price points, so you don't have to be right at 471 00:21:51,954 --> 00:21:53,914 Speaker 4: the top end if you can afford it and you'd 472 00:21:53,954 --> 00:21:56,234 Speaker 4: like to splurge one hundred percent worth it, But if 473 00:21:56,274 --> 00:21:57,994 Speaker 4: you can't, then there are other products in the middle 474 00:21:58,034 --> 00:22:00,513 Speaker 4: that you can also use. But vitamin C is a 475 00:22:00,554 --> 00:22:02,793 Speaker 4: great antioxidant. We know that it's going to help protect 476 00:22:02,874 --> 00:22:06,914 Speaker 4: against UV damage being an antioxidant and not only serve 477 00:22:07,154 --> 00:22:10,434 Speaker 4: to aging purposes but also anti pigmentation. So vitamin C 478 00:22:10,514 --> 00:22:12,714 Speaker 4: is probably my number two. And then I love to 479 00:22:12,754 --> 00:22:15,314 Speaker 4: seal it all together with just a good old fashioned moisturizer, 480 00:22:15,474 --> 00:22:19,994 Speaker 4: something really hydrating, fragrance free. Ideally, again, doesn't need to 481 00:22:19,994 --> 00:22:20,554 Speaker 4: break the path. 482 00:22:20,594 --> 00:22:22,234 Speaker 1: There's so many affordable ones on the MARC. 483 00:22:22,594 --> 00:22:24,554 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's about choosing one that you like. I'm 484 00:22:24,554 --> 00:22:27,074 Speaker 4: personally a cream or a balm fan, but I know 485 00:22:27,114 --> 00:22:29,394 Speaker 4: that many of my patients really like a lightweight lotion 486 00:22:29,794 --> 00:22:32,553 Speaker 4: for many reasons. They like it particularly underneath makeup, or 487 00:22:32,714 --> 00:22:35,074 Speaker 4: it just suits their skin better. So I just say 488 00:22:35,074 --> 00:22:37,353 Speaker 4: to you, choose one that you like, that you know 489 00:22:37,634 --> 00:22:41,114 Speaker 4: doesn't have to cost the world and is largely low 490 00:22:41,154 --> 00:22:43,554 Speaker 4: in ingredients. So if you see the ingredients list and 491 00:22:43,634 --> 00:22:45,954 Speaker 4: it contains one hundred thousand different things, you really have 492 00:22:45,994 --> 00:22:49,434 Speaker 4: to ask why because most moisturizers, actually the base ingredients 493 00:22:49,434 --> 00:22:52,074 Speaker 4: are very similar, so it's just slight tweaks that really 494 00:22:52,114 --> 00:22:54,594 Speaker 4: differentiate them. And you don't need to really have a 495 00:22:54,634 --> 00:23:01,273 Speaker 4: really fancy one. 496 00:23:01,994 --> 00:23:04,674 Speaker 1: Here you've made one of the greatest discoveries of. 497 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:06,594 Speaker 3: All time or a miss. 498 00:23:07,274 --> 00:23:12,634 Speaker 1: Again. Never I want to ask you what kind of product, treatment, 499 00:23:13,474 --> 00:23:17,594 Speaker 1: skin technique, or trend that you love and one that 500 00:23:17,674 --> 00:23:18,154 Speaker 1: you hate. 501 00:23:18,274 --> 00:23:19,553 Speaker 3: I'm going to start with the one I hate. Is 502 00:23:19,554 --> 00:23:19,914 Speaker 3: that all right? 503 00:23:20,154 --> 00:23:22,474 Speaker 1: We love it? As controversial as you. 504 00:23:22,434 --> 00:23:24,754 Speaker 4: Wish I will be, because again, and I'm talking as 505 00:23:24,754 --> 00:23:26,794 Speaker 4: a clinician, as someone who hundreds of patients a week 506 00:23:26,834 --> 00:23:29,194 Speaker 4: come to me having spent a lot of money on 507 00:23:29,554 --> 00:23:34,234 Speaker 4: radio frequency needling or skin needling. I know, I thought 508 00:23:34,434 --> 00:23:36,513 Speaker 4: I might get this reaction, and I'd want to really 509 00:23:36,554 --> 00:23:39,314 Speaker 4: clarify and explain myself. 510 00:23:39,994 --> 00:23:41,034 Speaker 3: So explain. 511 00:23:42,714 --> 00:23:45,154 Speaker 4: So skin needling is not only you know, an age 512 00:23:45,154 --> 00:23:47,154 Speaker 4: old technique, it's also can be very cheap. 513 00:23:47,274 --> 00:23:48,154 Speaker 3: So if you go and. 514 00:23:48,114 --> 00:23:49,994 Speaker 4: Get you know, a needling pen or you know a 515 00:23:50,074 --> 00:23:52,474 Speaker 4: rolling device, or you go into a clinic that's just 516 00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:53,954 Speaker 4: you know, there to give you a bit of visuals. 517 00:23:53,954 --> 00:23:56,234 Speaker 4: You just want to maybe infuse a few ingredients. Fine, 518 00:23:56,274 --> 00:23:58,313 Speaker 4: I have no real problems with it. Where I have 519 00:23:58,434 --> 00:24:02,274 Speaker 4: problems is where clinics actually attach a huge price point 520 00:24:02,314 --> 00:24:04,354 Speaker 4: let's call it seven hundred and fifty to one thousand 521 00:24:04,354 --> 00:24:06,954 Speaker 4: dollars a treatment, maybe more, and they sell it as 522 00:24:06,994 --> 00:24:10,833 Speaker 4: a package to patients who are suffering from acne or rosatia, 523 00:24:11,314 --> 00:24:15,194 Speaker 4: hyperpigmentation or whatever. And they apply this very blunt tool 524 00:24:15,594 --> 00:24:19,194 Speaker 4: to all these different skin conditions and promise the world 525 00:24:19,354 --> 00:24:22,074 Speaker 4: acne scarring. Okay, they say, oh, we're going to cure 526 00:24:22,074 --> 00:24:24,514 Speaker 4: your acne scarring with this package of you know, five 527 00:24:24,514 --> 00:24:28,434 Speaker 4: skin needling sessions. I've had countless patients, I can tell you, 528 00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:29,994 Speaker 4: and I promise I'm not making this up aaron that 529 00:24:30,034 --> 00:24:32,594 Speaker 4: they come to me having bought these packages. They might 530 00:24:32,634 --> 00:24:34,634 Speaker 4: be halfway through it, or you know, two thirds of 531 00:24:34,634 --> 00:24:36,954 Speaker 4: the way through their package, and they're like, I don't 532 00:24:36,954 --> 00:24:40,234 Speaker 4: see any difference. My acne is still bad, my scarring 533 00:24:40,274 --> 00:24:44,034 Speaker 4: maybe marginally better. I really don't know what it's doing 534 00:24:44,074 --> 00:24:46,914 Speaker 4: for me, and my heart breaks because they've already dropped 535 00:24:46,914 --> 00:24:49,554 Speaker 4: a huge amount of money, huge amount of money, right, 536 00:24:49,674 --> 00:24:51,994 Speaker 4: and they're seeking solutions. And I know that a lot 537 00:24:52,034 --> 00:24:54,914 Speaker 4: of the evidence based lasers that I have invested in, 538 00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:56,754 Speaker 4: or the skin care that I'm going to recommend isn't 539 00:24:56,794 --> 00:24:59,994 Speaker 4: cheap either. I need to be honest about that. So 540 00:25:00,274 --> 00:25:03,074 Speaker 4: I guess my point is that radio frequency needling can 541 00:25:03,274 --> 00:25:06,394 Speaker 4: achieve certain benefits, you know, fine line s wrinkles. Maybe 542 00:25:06,474 --> 00:25:08,554 Speaker 4: it can, you know, do a little bit of skin tightening, 543 00:25:08,874 --> 00:25:10,274 Speaker 4: but I don't believe it does much else. 544 00:25:10,754 --> 00:25:14,834 Speaker 1: My gosh, Okay, well you saved me because in whenever 545 00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:19,634 Speaker 1: our recent episodes, I said that my resolution for this 546 00:25:19,714 --> 00:25:22,874 Speaker 1: year was to actually stick with a proper treatment like 547 00:25:23,114 --> 00:25:25,914 Speaker 1: RF micro needling, because I'd heard so many great things 548 00:25:25,914 --> 00:25:28,874 Speaker 1: about it. But it's so true, as you say, you 549 00:25:28,954 --> 00:25:32,234 Speaker 1: can't just have one thing for all different skin issues, 550 00:25:32,394 --> 00:25:34,674 Speaker 1: for all different skin types and expect that it's going 551 00:25:34,754 --> 00:25:36,394 Speaker 1: to do everything that's right. 552 00:25:36,554 --> 00:25:38,874 Speaker 4: Certainly, you know you're going to have many listeners who've 553 00:25:38,874 --> 00:25:40,794 Speaker 4: had a course and will swear by it. So I 554 00:25:40,954 --> 00:25:43,194 Speaker 4: love it and that's fine. So I'm really happy with that. 555 00:25:43,354 --> 00:25:45,874 Speaker 4: And if it's achieved their skin goals of maybe you know, 556 00:25:45,994 --> 00:25:48,273 Speaker 4: glowing skin, or they've found that their skin is a 557 00:25:48,274 --> 00:25:50,354 Speaker 4: bit thicker, or you know, pores are a little bit 558 00:25:50,394 --> 00:25:53,074 Speaker 4: small or fantastic, but it's definitely not a one size 559 00:25:53,074 --> 00:25:54,513 Speaker 4: fits all and I think that's my point. 560 00:25:54,914 --> 00:25:57,594 Speaker 1: So interesting, Oh my gosh, Okay, that blew my mind. 561 00:25:57,634 --> 00:25:58,714 Speaker 1: I can't wait for your hit. 562 00:25:59,114 --> 00:26:02,674 Speaker 4: So again, my hit is maybe more of a philosophical 563 00:26:02,714 --> 00:26:05,994 Speaker 4: statement rather than a specific product. And that's when it 564 00:26:06,034 --> 00:26:11,074 Speaker 4: comes to skin care. Less is more have realistic expectations 565 00:26:11,074 --> 00:26:14,114 Speaker 4: of what skin care can help you achieve. You can 566 00:26:14,194 --> 00:26:16,074 Speaker 4: drop thousands of dollars in skin care. 567 00:26:16,154 --> 00:26:16,834 Speaker 3: We both know this. 568 00:26:16,994 --> 00:26:19,273 Speaker 4: And when you have a product line that has, you know, 569 00:26:19,474 --> 00:26:22,434 Speaker 4: a cleanser, a tone or a sunscreen, a moisturizer, three 570 00:26:22,474 --> 00:26:24,874 Speaker 4: different serums, you know you've got eight different products that 571 00:26:24,914 --> 00:26:28,674 Speaker 4: you've now purchased over a six month period that then 572 00:26:28,834 --> 00:26:32,194 Speaker 4: you need to go and replenish, really understand what they're 573 00:26:32,194 --> 00:26:35,154 Speaker 4: doing for you and choose products that you believe are 574 00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:37,194 Speaker 4: genuinely making a difference, and if they're at a price 575 00:26:37,234 --> 00:26:38,994 Speaker 4: point that's too high, you're not. 576 00:26:38,954 --> 00:26:39,754 Speaker 3: Seeing a difference. 577 00:26:39,994 --> 00:26:42,994 Speaker 4: Go for something pretty simple because you're likely going to 578 00:26:42,994 --> 00:26:45,794 Speaker 4: see the same results. So less is more, even from 579 00:26:45,834 --> 00:26:48,474 Speaker 4: a price point of view, and even from a collection 580 00:26:48,554 --> 00:26:50,434 Speaker 4: point of view, is how many different products do you 581 00:26:50,514 --> 00:26:51,194 Speaker 4: actually need? 582 00:26:51,234 --> 00:26:53,714 Speaker 1: And sometimes you even noticed a bigger difference when you 583 00:26:53,754 --> 00:26:56,074 Speaker 1: pair your routine back and just use like a couple 584 00:26:56,074 --> 00:26:58,434 Speaker 1: of basic products. I have so many friends that have 585 00:26:58,474 --> 00:27:00,794 Speaker 1: done that, and they've said, my skins never look better. Correct. 586 00:27:00,834 --> 00:27:03,194 Speaker 4: So when I'm reckon meeting in time and money, time 587 00:27:03,234 --> 00:27:05,313 Speaker 4: and money, it's a simple skin care. So it's the 588 00:27:05,354 --> 00:27:07,914 Speaker 4: Ceravis of the world is the row. We know that 589 00:27:07,954 --> 00:27:11,154 Speaker 4: these brands have got really minimalist formulas. They had a 590 00:27:11,354 --> 00:27:13,674 Speaker 4: very reasonable price point, and when I recommend it as 591 00:27:13,714 --> 00:27:15,914 Speaker 4: a moisturizer that you could use on your face and body, 592 00:27:16,234 --> 00:27:17,674 Speaker 4: and people are look at the price point and then 593 00:27:17,674 --> 00:27:19,434 Speaker 4: look at what they're spending on their little one hundred 594 00:27:19,474 --> 00:27:20,554 Speaker 4: or hundred fifty meal tab. 595 00:27:20,754 --> 00:27:23,874 Speaker 3: They're like, oh my god, I actually love this moisturizer 596 00:27:23,914 --> 00:27:25,914 Speaker 3: and it's so much cheaper than what I've been using. 597 00:27:26,154 --> 00:27:29,314 Speaker 1: So lessons more, Oh, doctor Ryan, Thank you, You've blown 598 00:27:29,354 --> 00:27:31,674 Speaker 1: my mind. Actually, I'm so glad we had you on 599 00:27:31,714 --> 00:27:32,434 Speaker 1: for the little hit. 600 00:27:32,594 --> 00:27:34,274 Speaker 3: I'm a really really pleased to be here and thank 601 00:27:34,314 --> 00:27:35,994 Speaker 3: you so much for inviting me. It's been fun you. 602 00:27:37,034 --> 00:27:39,394 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to the show today. 603 00:27:39,514 --> 00:27:42,114 Speaker 1: And if you've got a topic that you want me 604 00:27:42,354 --> 00:27:45,114 Speaker 1: to talk about to ask an expert about, send it 605 00:27:45,154 --> 00:27:48,874 Speaker 1: to us on you Beauty podcast Instagram. The producer of 606 00:27:48,914 --> 00:27:51,514 Speaker 1: You Beauty is a lovely Cassie Merrit, with audio production 607 00:27:51,674 --> 00:27:58,033 Speaker 1: by Lou Hill. And I'll see you next week. Bye.