1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:09,135 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mumma mea podcast. 2 00:00:13,254 --> 00:00:17,255 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylorstrano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily news podcast, 3 00:00:17,335 --> 00:00:20,735 Speaker 2: The Quickie. Australia is in mourning. 4 00:00:21,415 --> 00:00:24,895 Speaker 3: An attack on Jewish Australians is an attack on every 5 00:00:24,895 --> 00:00:30,415 Speaker 3: Australian and every Australian tonight will be like me, devastated 6 00:00:30,935 --> 00:00:34,495 Speaker 3: on this attack on our way of life. There is 7 00:00:34,574 --> 00:00:38,575 Speaker 3: no place for this hate, violence and terrorism in our nation. 8 00:00:39,335 --> 00:00:42,495 Speaker 3: Let me be clear, we will eradicate it. 9 00:00:43,015 --> 00:00:46,295 Speaker 2: A oss shooting at our beloved Bondai Beach that's claimed 10 00:00:46,294 --> 00:00:49,574 Speaker 2: the lives of multiple people while others have been injured 11 00:00:49,735 --> 00:00:52,375 Speaker 2: in what's now being labeled a targeted attack on the 12 00:00:52,455 --> 00:00:56,375 Speaker 2: Jewish community near a Huniker gathering by the water. There's 13 00:00:56,375 --> 00:00:59,495 Speaker 2: been an outpouring of grief from leaders here and around 14 00:00:59,495 --> 00:01:02,734 Speaker 2: the world. Details are still emerging, but what we do 15 00:01:02,855 --> 00:01:07,015 Speaker 2: know is this families have been enjoying a bright and 16 00:01:07,055 --> 00:01:11,295 Speaker 2: beautiful summer's day at an iconic location. Instead, they were 17 00:01:11,335 --> 00:01:14,855 Speaker 2: caught up in a devastating atrocity. Claire Murphy has all 18 00:01:14,855 --> 00:01:18,975 Speaker 2: the latest information for you in this morning's headlines. Also today, 19 00:01:19,095 --> 00:01:22,775 Speaker 2: Australia's world first under sixteenth Social media ban is now 20 00:01:22,895 --> 00:01:26,215 Speaker 2: live and there's new rules on the way. We'll check 21 00:01:26,255 --> 00:01:28,815 Speaker 2: in on how the rollout is going, what it means 22 00:01:28,815 --> 00:01:32,215 Speaker 2: for young Aussies and their families, and what further regulations 23 00:01:32,255 --> 00:01:34,935 Speaker 2: are coming next as the government moves to curb the 24 00:01:34,975 --> 00:01:38,455 Speaker 2: spread of harmful online content. But first, here's Claire with 25 00:01:38,495 --> 00:01:41,375 Speaker 2: that latest news update for Monday, December fifteenth. 26 00:01:41,655 --> 00:01:46,015 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor's stories of miracle, survival, heroism and tragedy have 27 00:01:46,095 --> 00:01:49,535 Speaker 1: emerged from one of Australia's most iconic beach settings. As 28 00:01:49,575 --> 00:01:52,775 Speaker 1: police trying to piece together the motivation and mechanics of 29 00:01:52,815 --> 00:01:56,495 Speaker 1: the tragedy that unfolded at Bondai Beach last night, two 30 00:01:56,615 --> 00:01:59,815 Speaker 1: gunmen opened fire from a footbridge overlooking a park near 31 00:01:59,855 --> 00:02:03,135 Speaker 1: Bondai Beach that was hosting the Harneker by the Sea event, 32 00:02:03,415 --> 00:02:06,295 Speaker 1: a gathering of the local Jewish community to celebrate one 33 00:02:06,295 --> 00:02:09,695 Speaker 1: of the most important dates on the Jewish calendar. Sadly, overnight, 34 00:02:09,734 --> 00:02:12,495 Speaker 1: the death toll has increased to sixteen. One of the 35 00:02:12,535 --> 00:02:16,895 Speaker 1: identified victims is Rabbi Eli Schlanger, who helped organize the event. 36 00:02:17,335 --> 00:02:20,055 Speaker 1: His cousin writing on social media that he leaves behind 37 00:02:20,055 --> 00:02:22,695 Speaker 1: his wife and young children as well as his parents 38 00:02:22,695 --> 00:02:25,335 Speaker 1: and siblings. He signed off saying the rabbi was a 39 00:02:25,375 --> 00:02:29,775 Speaker 1: truly incredible guy. Of the other confirmed identified victims, one 40 00:02:29,855 --> 00:02:33,495 Speaker 1: sadly is a young child, another a French citizen. One 41 00:02:33,615 --> 00:02:37,735 Speaker 1: also confirmed as an Israeli citizen. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya, 42 00:02:37,775 --> 00:02:40,655 Speaker 1: who's speaking out about the attack, saying that Prime Minister 43 00:02:40,735 --> 00:02:45,335 Speaker 1: Anthony Albernizi's policies are promoting and encouraging anti Semitism in Australia. 44 00:02:45,775 --> 00:02:51,815 Speaker 3: This census attack is one which is an active terror 45 00:02:51,815 --> 00:02:56,255 Speaker 3: and is aimed at creating fear. But we will stand 46 00:02:56,535 --> 00:02:59,734 Speaker 3: with the Jewish community and Jewish Australians at this time. 47 00:02:59,935 --> 00:03:02,734 Speaker 1: New South Wales Premier Chris Mins also addressed the media, 48 00:03:02,775 --> 00:03:06,055 Speaker 1: promising that this won't break Australia and divide us further. 49 00:03:06,215 --> 00:03:09,535 Speaker 4: We can't let these evil people divide Australia up. We 50 00:03:10,215 --> 00:03:13,135 Speaker 4: need to be in a situation where as shocking as 51 00:03:13,175 --> 00:03:16,215 Speaker 4: this is, there are still wonderful people in the Bondai 52 00:03:16,295 --> 00:03:19,415 Speaker 4: community right throughout New South Wales. That's what these that's 53 00:03:19,415 --> 00:03:23,215 Speaker 4: what these terrorists want. They want Australians divided and at 54 00:03:23,255 --> 00:03:25,375 Speaker 4: each other's throats, and we can't let that happen. In fact, 55 00:03:25,415 --> 00:03:26,295 Speaker 4: we won't let that happen. 56 00:03:26,415 --> 00:03:29,895 Speaker 1: Iran, Kata, and Lebanon have all issued statements saying they 57 00:03:29,935 --> 00:03:33,615 Speaker 1: condemned the attack. Lebanon's president writing on social media that 58 00:03:33,735 --> 00:03:36,975 Speaker 1: human values, foremost among them the right to life, are 59 00:03:37,095 --> 00:03:41,655 Speaker 1: universal and immutable principles, not subject to discretion whims of 60 00:03:41,695 --> 00:03:45,455 Speaker 1: selective application, saying, just as we condemn and reject attacks 61 00:03:45,495 --> 00:03:48,775 Speaker 1: on any innocent civilian in Gaza, Southern Lebanon, or any 62 00:03:48,775 --> 00:03:51,295 Speaker 1: other region in the world, we condemned by the same 63 00:03:51,335 --> 00:03:55,295 Speaker 1: principle and obligation what happened in Sydney. Palestine's Ministry of 64 00:03:55,335 --> 00:03:59,415 Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs also condemned the attack, saying they categorically reject 65 00:03:59,495 --> 00:04:03,735 Speaker 1: all forms of violence, terrorism and extremism which contradict human 66 00:04:03,815 --> 00:04:06,775 Speaker 1: values and ethical principles, as well as the teachings of 67 00:04:06,855 --> 00:04:10,375 Speaker 1: all divine religions that call for peace, respect for human life, 68 00:04:10,615 --> 00:04:14,055 Speaker 1: and the rejection of hatred and extremism. They extended their 69 00:04:14,055 --> 00:04:16,895 Speaker 1: condolences to the families of the victims and the injured. 70 00:04:17,455 --> 00:04:20,375 Speaker 1: Just after seven pm last night, two gunmen were seen 71 00:04:20,455 --> 00:04:23,615 Speaker 1: walking towards the beach holding rifles. They did not wear 72 00:04:23,695 --> 00:04:27,015 Speaker 1: masks or try to cover up their identity, instead taking 73 00:04:27,095 --> 00:04:30,654 Speaker 1: up position on a footbridge overlooking the park, opening fire 74 00:04:30,695 --> 00:04:33,895 Speaker 1: towards the Huneker by the Sea event. Videos began to 75 00:04:33,895 --> 00:04:36,775 Speaker 1: circulate on social media, showing the terror and panic of 76 00:04:36,775 --> 00:04:38,815 Speaker 1: the more than one thousand people who were at the 77 00:04:38,815 --> 00:04:42,255 Speaker 1: beach late yesterday as they ran from the area, gunshots 78 00:04:42,295 --> 00:04:45,615 Speaker 1: ringing out in regular bursts. Some witnesses say they initially 79 00:04:45,655 --> 00:04:48,695 Speaker 1: thought the bangs were fireworks until they saw people running. 80 00:04:49,055 --> 00:04:51,375 Speaker 1: Police who arrived at the scene were eventually able to 81 00:04:51,415 --> 00:04:55,015 Speaker 1: return fire. One video shows an officer crouching behind a 82 00:04:55,095 --> 00:04:57,335 Speaker 1: park car nearby as at least one of the gunment 83 00:04:57,375 --> 00:05:01,095 Speaker 1: fires directly at them. One officer was shot in the incident. 84 00:05:01,335 --> 00:05:04,455 Speaker 1: Commissioner mal Lanyon, who visited Saint Vincent's Hospital, where a 85 00:05:04,535 --> 00:05:06,815 Speaker 1: number of the victims will be treated, late last night, 86 00:05:07,175 --> 00:05:09,135 Speaker 1: told the media that the officer is now in a 87 00:05:09,175 --> 00:05:13,015 Speaker 1: stable condition. Not long after the attack began, video shows 88 00:05:13,055 --> 00:05:16,654 Speaker 1: police swarming the footbridge the two alleged shooters on the ground, 89 00:05:16,735 --> 00:05:19,975 Speaker 1: one detained by police, the other, it has been confirmed, 90 00:05:20,135 --> 00:05:23,295 Speaker 1: was killed in return fire. In the aftermath, stories of 91 00:05:23,335 --> 00:05:26,495 Speaker 1: heroism and tragedy have emerged, with footage doing the rounds 92 00:05:26,495 --> 00:05:28,775 Speaker 1: of one man sneaking up on one of the gunmen 93 00:05:29,095 --> 00:05:31,735 Speaker 1: after he came down from the footbridge, tackling him from 94 00:05:31,775 --> 00:05:34,734 Speaker 1: behind and managing to wrestle the gun from his hands, 95 00:05:34,975 --> 00:05:37,135 Speaker 1: pointing it directly back at him as he backs up 96 00:05:37,135 --> 00:05:40,214 Speaker 1: and returns to the footbridge. Premier Chris Mins called the 97 00:05:40,255 --> 00:05:43,094 Speaker 1: man a genuine hero, saying he has no doubt that 98 00:05:43,095 --> 00:05:45,734 Speaker 1: there are many people still alive tonight as a result 99 00:05:45,815 --> 00:05:49,375 Speaker 1: of his bravery. Other footage shows women and men placing 100 00:05:49,375 --> 00:05:52,335 Speaker 1: their bodies over the injured and vulnerable, putting their own 101 00:05:52,415 --> 00:05:55,054 Speaker 1: lives on the line to protect them. Twenty nine people 102 00:05:55,095 --> 00:05:58,415 Speaker 1: were injured in the attack. One of those was Arson Ostrowski, 103 00:05:58,495 --> 00:06:01,695 Speaker 1: who posted on social media showing him with a bandage 104 00:06:01,695 --> 00:06:05,135 Speaker 1: around his head, blood covering his face, saying I lived 105 00:06:05,135 --> 00:06:08,575 Speaker 1: through a October seventh. Never imagined i'd see this horror 106 00:06:08,615 --> 00:06:12,094 Speaker 1: in Australia. He explained that a bullet had grazed his head, 107 00:06:12,375 --> 00:06:15,255 Speaker 1: doctors telling him that it's a miracle he survived. He 108 00:06:15,335 --> 00:06:17,735 Speaker 1: told Sky News that it only just moved back to 109 00:06:17,775 --> 00:06:20,655 Speaker 1: Australia from Israel to help combat anti Semitism. 110 00:06:21,215 --> 00:06:23,695 Speaker 5: I survived October seventh. I lived in Israel the last 111 00:06:23,775 --> 00:06:26,215 Speaker 5: thirteen years We came here only two weeks ago to 112 00:06:27,895 --> 00:06:30,215 Speaker 5: work with the Jewish community, the fight anti SEMPTZM, to 113 00:06:30,255 --> 00:06:33,895 Speaker 5: fight this bloodthirsty, ravaging hatred. That's why you're here, That's 114 00:06:34,095 --> 00:06:37,375 Speaker 5: why I'm here. You know, we've lived through us. We're 115 00:06:37,375 --> 00:06:38,895 Speaker 5: going to get through this and we're going to get 116 00:06:38,935 --> 00:06:39,615 Speaker 5: the bas fits that. 117 00:06:39,695 --> 00:06:41,295 Speaker 6: Did this to me. 118 00:06:41,695 --> 00:06:42,495 Speaker 5: Did you see the gun? 119 00:06:43,135 --> 00:06:44,015 Speaker 7: I did? I saw. 120 00:06:44,175 --> 00:06:47,015 Speaker 5: I saw at least one gunman firing. Looked like a 121 00:06:47,095 --> 00:06:51,775 Speaker 5: shotgun firing and randomly in all directions. I saw children 122 00:06:51,855 --> 00:06:55,214 Speaker 5: fall into the floor, so elderly. I saw invalids, I 123 00:06:55,215 --> 00:07:00,175 Speaker 5: saw people just it was an absolute bl blood gushing everyone, 124 00:07:00,695 --> 00:07:03,615 Speaker 5: you know. October seventh, That's the last time I saw this. 125 00:07:04,015 --> 00:07:06,455 Speaker 1: He wrote that the forces of darkness and hate will 126 00:07:06,495 --> 00:07:09,455 Speaker 1: never triumph. A security guard who was working at the 127 00:07:09,455 --> 00:07:13,335 Speaker 1: event also survived the attack. After the gunment were detained, 128 00:07:13,335 --> 00:07:17,015 Speaker 1: police confirmed they were concerned about a possible explosive device 129 00:07:17,095 --> 00:07:20,375 Speaker 1: found under the footbridge. They also located a vehicle they 130 00:07:20,415 --> 00:07:23,255 Speaker 1: believe belongs to one of the shooters that had several 131 00:07:23,295 --> 00:07:27,495 Speaker 1: improvised explosive devices inside, calling in the bomb disposal unit 132 00:07:27,535 --> 00:07:29,975 Speaker 1: to work on removing them from the scene. As of 133 00:07:30,015 --> 00:07:32,735 Speaker 1: this morning, it has been confirmed they have been transported 134 00:07:32,735 --> 00:07:35,335 Speaker 1: from the area in an armored car and this scene 135 00:07:35,375 --> 00:07:38,615 Speaker 1: is no longer considered an exclusion zone. There were some 136 00:07:38,775 --> 00:07:41,455 Speaker 1: reports that there was a third person involved in the attack. 137 00:07:41,735 --> 00:07:44,895 Speaker 1: Police commissioned a lanyon, saying they had received information from 138 00:07:44,935 --> 00:07:48,375 Speaker 1: several sources, but they were unwilling to say anything definitive, 139 00:07:48,695 --> 00:07:52,055 Speaker 1: but said they would leave no stone unturned in their investigation. 140 00:07:52,575 --> 00:07:54,975 Speaker 1: The Riot Squad were called in also to keep the 141 00:07:54,975 --> 00:07:58,575 Speaker 1: streets safe in the aftermath of the chaos. Azo Chief 142 00:07:58,615 --> 00:08:01,415 Speaker 1: Mike Burgess was asked last night whether either of the 143 00:08:01,455 --> 00:08:03,935 Speaker 1: men allegedly involved in this attack were known to them, 144 00:08:04,175 --> 00:08:06,935 Speaker 1: which he confirmed at least one of them was, but 145 00:08:07,015 --> 00:08:10,015 Speaker 1: he was not considered an immediate threat, saying they'll need 146 00:08:10,055 --> 00:08:11,815 Speaker 1: to look into what happened for them to have not 147 00:08:11,895 --> 00:08:14,735 Speaker 1: considered him in that light. Burgess also said they do 148 00:08:14,815 --> 00:08:17,655 Speaker 1: not believe there are any planned follow up attacks. He 149 00:08:17,775 --> 00:08:21,175 Speaker 1: said the national terrorism threat remains at probable, which means 150 00:08:21,215 --> 00:08:24,295 Speaker 1: there's a fifty percent chance of an active terror. Channel 151 00:08:24,335 --> 00:08:28,255 Speaker 1: seven's David Woywood is reporting on the Bondai attack for 152 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:31,255 Speaker 1: the Sunrise program this morning. In His Life from Bondai Beach, 153 00:08:31,375 --> 00:08:33,175 Speaker 1: David can you give us an idea of what the 154 00:08:33,215 --> 00:08:36,415 Speaker 1: scene looks like from being on the ground there this morning? 155 00:08:36,694 --> 00:08:40,814 Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning. It is a massive police exclusion zone 156 00:08:40,895 --> 00:08:46,775 Speaker 7: around that Bondi Pavilion area where that horror unfolded yesterday afternoon. 157 00:08:46,855 --> 00:08:49,694 Speaker 7: Like this is a huge police cordoned off area right now, 158 00:08:49,815 --> 00:08:52,735 Speaker 7: goes deep into Bondai almost down to the water's edge 159 00:08:52,735 --> 00:08:55,855 Speaker 7: as well. So it has been absolutely crawling with police 160 00:08:55,855 --> 00:08:58,255 Speaker 7: for the past sixteen eighteen hours or so since this 161 00:08:58,415 --> 00:09:01,615 Speaker 7: attack rang out down here and punctured the serenity and 162 00:09:01,655 --> 00:09:03,895 Speaker 7: the tranquility of this area last night. And we've all 163 00:09:03,935 --> 00:09:07,175 Speaker 7: seen those images now, but we've been watching those detectives 164 00:09:07,175 --> 00:09:10,095 Speaker 7: and they've been coming and going bringing those paper bags 165 00:09:10,095 --> 00:09:13,454 Speaker 7: of evidence now as they try and piece together exactly 166 00:09:13,535 --> 00:09:16,015 Speaker 7: who these people were behind this attack. Right now, we 167 00:09:16,095 --> 00:09:19,415 Speaker 7: know that right now out in Sydney's West the number 168 00:09:19,455 --> 00:09:22,895 Speaker 7: of our raids are ongoing as police tried to further 169 00:09:22,975 --> 00:09:25,655 Speaker 7: that investigation. But right now down here. 170 00:09:25,455 --> 00:09:25,855 Speaker 8: What is it. 171 00:09:25,855 --> 00:09:28,694 Speaker 7: It's just gone almost six point thirty and for anyone 172 00:09:28,695 --> 00:09:31,895 Speaker 7: that knows the Bondi area, it is normally jumping and 173 00:09:31,935 --> 00:09:35,415 Speaker 7: absolutely pumping shoulder to shoulders down here with dog walkers, swimmers, 174 00:09:35,415 --> 00:09:37,895 Speaker 7: surfers and the rest. It is a bit of a 175 00:09:37,935 --> 00:09:40,855 Speaker 7: ghost town right now. It's actually really sad to look 176 00:09:40,855 --> 00:09:43,975 Speaker 7: at it like this because I'm just looking out across 177 00:09:44,015 --> 00:09:47,175 Speaker 7: the sand and you can see dozens and dozens of 178 00:09:47,255 --> 00:09:50,855 Speaker 7: towels and hats and beach chairs and bikes, and then 179 00:09:50,935 --> 00:09:54,775 Speaker 7: up here on the boardwalk there are brams and other 180 00:09:54,855 --> 00:09:57,215 Speaker 7: bits of human life that have just been a band 181 00:09:57,255 --> 00:09:59,935 Speaker 7: And as people ran yesterday, and we all saw it 182 00:09:59,935 --> 00:10:03,055 Speaker 7: in those images, the panic, the chaos and the carney 183 00:10:03,135 --> 00:10:06,135 Speaker 7: so sort of ensued as people just tried to get 184 00:10:06,135 --> 00:10:07,935 Speaker 7: out of here as those gunshots rang out. 185 00:10:08,054 --> 00:10:08,334 Speaker 8: Heavin. 186 00:10:08,415 --> 00:10:10,935 Speaker 1: I guess what most of Australia today is trying to 187 00:10:10,935 --> 00:10:13,455 Speaker 1: do is to figure out exactly why this happened and 188 00:10:13,495 --> 00:10:16,055 Speaker 1: who would do this kind of thing. Is mentioned that 189 00:10:16,175 --> 00:10:18,455 Speaker 1: raids have been happening on properties, and we've heard that 190 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:21,415 Speaker 1: explosive devices were removed from the scene from a vehicle 191 00:10:21,495 --> 00:10:24,015 Speaker 1: that reportedly belonged to one of the alleged shooters. Do 192 00:10:24,054 --> 00:10:26,735 Speaker 1: we know anything about these men? Do we know what 193 00:10:26,815 --> 00:10:28,535 Speaker 1: their motivations were at all? 194 00:10:28,735 --> 00:10:32,015 Speaker 7: No, that's going to form a key plank of this investigation. Look, 195 00:10:32,054 --> 00:10:35,015 Speaker 7: we know quite clearly that this was a targeted attack, 196 00:10:35,054 --> 00:10:36,935 Speaker 7: and the Prime Minister and the Premier and the AFP, 197 00:10:37,015 --> 00:10:41,255 Speaker 7: and as I've said it as much on Bondai's Jewish community. 198 00:10:41,295 --> 00:10:43,455 Speaker 7: Of course, it was the first night of Hanika. Our 199 00:10:43,455 --> 00:10:46,215 Speaker 7: families have been down here for those Hearneker by the 200 00:10:46,255 --> 00:10:51,255 Speaker 7: Sea celebration, so they were targeted. We know that much. 201 00:10:51,575 --> 00:10:54,815 Speaker 7: As for these men, their political affiliations or what goes 202 00:10:54,815 --> 00:10:56,655 Speaker 7: beyond that is going to form a central part of 203 00:10:56,695 --> 00:10:59,655 Speaker 7: this investigation, and no doubt we will learn more and 204 00:10:59,695 --> 00:11:02,335 Speaker 7: more about that as the time goes on. As for 205 00:11:02,415 --> 00:11:07,655 Speaker 7: that vehicle that carried those iedsos provised explosive devices that 206 00:11:07,855 --> 00:11:10,695 Speaker 7: was taken away from the scene late last night, and 207 00:11:10,775 --> 00:11:13,975 Speaker 7: again that will be now combed over for clues as 208 00:11:14,015 --> 00:11:16,815 Speaker 7: well as police try and piece this together. But of 209 00:11:16,855 --> 00:11:20,215 Speaker 7: course that had really ratcheted up the fear, the fear 210 00:11:20,255 --> 00:11:23,855 Speaker 7: that those devices could go off last night, and thankfully 211 00:11:23,935 --> 00:11:24,415 Speaker 7: they didn't. 212 00:11:24,775 --> 00:11:27,694 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, this has been declared a terror attack, 213 00:11:27,895 --> 00:11:30,934 Speaker 1: and Mike Burgess from ASIO did speak out yesterday that 214 00:11:31,095 --> 00:11:34,334 Speaker 1: one of the men reportedly was on Asio's list. 215 00:11:34,495 --> 00:11:37,135 Speaker 8: Do we know anything more about that, No, we know 216 00:11:37,295 --> 00:11:39,934 Speaker 8: that one of these people had been known to police 217 00:11:40,935 --> 00:11:44,015 Speaker 8: and look ASO and New South Wales police and the 218 00:11:44,015 --> 00:11:49,775 Speaker 8: AFP were directed questions surrounding this, they said very clearly 219 00:11:49,815 --> 00:11:51,615 Speaker 8: at the time that if they had any evidence to 220 00:11:51,655 --> 00:11:54,175 Speaker 8: act on, they would have done that, and there simply 221 00:11:54,295 --> 00:11:57,694 Speaker 8: wasn't the body of evidence to act on at the time. 222 00:11:57,895 --> 00:12:01,735 Speaker 7: So what police knew, how severe it was their knowledge 223 00:12:01,775 --> 00:12:03,855 Speaker 7: of this person, we will have to wait and see. 224 00:12:03,935 --> 00:12:06,415 Speaker 7: No doubt that will come out in due course of 225 00:12:06,495 --> 00:12:10,255 Speaker 7: this investigation now plays out, but we are just starting 226 00:12:10,335 --> 00:12:13,135 Speaker 7: at the very begishing of this investigation right now, so 227 00:12:13,175 --> 00:12:16,055 Speaker 7: there are still plenty more to go through until we 228 00:12:16,215 --> 00:12:17,054 Speaker 7: get to that point. 229 00:12:17,295 --> 00:12:20,135 Speaker 1: I guess as we've focused a fair amount of this 230 00:12:20,455 --> 00:12:23,535 Speaker 1: conversation on the motivation for this attack and the men 231 00:12:23,535 --> 00:12:26,215 Speaker 1: who perpetrated it, but we really do need to focus 232 00:12:26,255 --> 00:12:30,054 Speaker 1: now in on those whose lives have been changed irreparably 233 00:12:30,095 --> 00:12:33,135 Speaker 1: after this attack, the Jewish community who were targeted as 234 00:12:33,175 --> 00:12:35,815 Speaker 1: a broader sense as well. And we understand that the 235 00:12:36,015 --> 00:12:39,815 Speaker 1: deatholl sadly has risen over night to sixteen, and that 236 00:12:39,855 --> 00:12:43,015 Speaker 1: we've seen some identification of some of the victims. What's 237 00:12:43,054 --> 00:12:46,215 Speaker 1: the sense like from the Jewish community around Bondi today, 238 00:12:46,255 --> 00:12:47,255 Speaker 1: David the. 239 00:12:47,255 --> 00:12:50,975 Speaker 7: Jewish community is shaken to its core. It is utterly 240 00:12:51,135 --> 00:12:55,655 Speaker 7: and devastatingly shattered right now. They have felt this acutely, 241 00:12:56,135 --> 00:12:58,735 Speaker 7: and not just the Jewish community here in Bondnite, right 242 00:12:58,775 --> 00:13:01,735 Speaker 7: around Australia, and we saw a number of events in 243 00:13:01,815 --> 00:13:05,975 Speaker 7: other states in Victoria around the Melbourne area canceled yet today, 244 00:13:06,975 --> 00:13:10,535 Speaker 7: not that there was evidence of any more attacks playing 245 00:13:10,535 --> 00:13:13,255 Speaker 7: out in those areas, but there is just a sense 246 00:13:13,335 --> 00:13:17,015 Speaker 7: of deep fear amongst this community right now. And as 247 00:13:17,054 --> 00:13:18,975 Speaker 7: you say, those identities are just coming out. In fact, 248 00:13:19,054 --> 00:13:21,255 Speaker 7: we've just learned in the past half hour or so 249 00:13:21,335 --> 00:13:23,815 Speaker 7: that one of those identities was a local rabbi as well, 250 00:13:23,855 --> 00:13:27,255 Speaker 7: so we're learning more about him. So this is absolutely 251 00:13:27,335 --> 00:13:30,935 Speaker 7: heartbreaking for this community here. They have been screaming from 252 00:13:30,975 --> 00:13:35,775 Speaker 7: the rooftops about anti Semitic attacks now for some time, 253 00:13:36,255 --> 00:13:38,054 Speaker 7: and we have seen it play out in the past 254 00:13:38,054 --> 00:13:41,295 Speaker 7: eighteen months or so here in Sydney. We have seen 255 00:13:41,335 --> 00:13:44,055 Speaker 7: fire bombing and graffiti and other things like that, and 256 00:13:44,095 --> 00:13:47,015 Speaker 7: now it has just gone up an unthinkable notch and 257 00:13:47,655 --> 00:13:49,814 Speaker 7: this community here is absolutely devastated. 258 00:13:50,095 --> 00:13:53,054 Speaker 1: Just finally, David, a lot of footage has been getting 259 00:13:53,054 --> 00:13:55,655 Speaker 1: around about showing a man who tackled one of the 260 00:13:55,695 --> 00:13:57,975 Speaker 1: gunmen and managed to get the rifle out of his hands. 261 00:13:57,975 --> 00:13:59,615 Speaker 1: Do we have any idea who that man is? 262 00:13:59,775 --> 00:14:02,975 Speaker 7: We do. This is just one of the most extreme 263 00:14:03,175 --> 00:14:06,735 Speaker 7: examples of bravery and courage that I think anyone will 264 00:14:06,735 --> 00:14:08,775 Speaker 7: have ever seen it. And I'm sure everyone is now 265 00:14:08,815 --> 00:14:12,055 Speaker 7: seeing this footage as you say. This man he is 266 00:14:12,135 --> 00:14:14,975 Speaker 7: Ahmed al Ahmed, that is his name. He is a 267 00:14:15,015 --> 00:14:17,455 Speaker 7: forty two year old father of two. He owns a 268 00:14:17,495 --> 00:14:20,135 Speaker 7: fruit shop in Sutherland. He'd been down here in Bondai 269 00:14:20,735 --> 00:14:23,535 Speaker 7: yesterday afternoon, just soaking up that sunshine like so many 270 00:14:23,615 --> 00:14:27,055 Speaker 7: other people when those gunshots rang out. In the words 271 00:14:27,055 --> 00:14:29,775 Speaker 7: of his cousin who spoke to seven years, he heard 272 00:14:29,775 --> 00:14:33,295 Speaker 7: those gunshots rang out, and he is just an approach 273 00:14:33,375 --> 00:14:35,815 Speaker 7: He wanted to step in and do something. So he 274 00:14:35,855 --> 00:14:38,175 Speaker 7: has approached that terrorist and we can now call him that. 275 00:14:39,015 --> 00:14:41,215 Speaker 7: You would have seen these pictures. He appears in a 276 00:14:41,255 --> 00:14:43,375 Speaker 7: car park, He goes up, he puts the bloke in 277 00:14:43,415 --> 00:14:46,575 Speaker 7: the headlock, he disarms him. He then turns that weapon 278 00:14:46,615 --> 00:14:50,455 Speaker 7: on the terrorists, who then retreats. This man armed then 279 00:14:50,535 --> 00:14:53,975 Speaker 7: lays that gun against the tree. Now very sadly and 280 00:14:54,015 --> 00:14:56,775 Speaker 7: all that chaos and the confusion there. He was shot 281 00:14:56,815 --> 00:14:59,455 Speaker 7: a number of times because we know that the other terrorists, 282 00:14:59,455 --> 00:15:02,095 Speaker 7: the other gunment in this situation here was providing cover 283 00:15:02,175 --> 00:15:06,135 Speaker 7: from that bridge shooting towards Hmed and others. Armored was 284 00:15:06,215 --> 00:15:10,015 Speaker 7: hit at least two times and overnight he was taken 285 00:15:10,015 --> 00:15:13,695 Speaker 7: to hospital and he has undergone a number of surgeries. 286 00:15:13,935 --> 00:15:17,095 Speaker 7: We've been provided a photo of him today this morning 287 00:15:17,175 --> 00:15:20,695 Speaker 7: from his family in his hospital bed. He appears to 288 00:15:20,975 --> 00:15:23,095 Speaker 7: be okay, but of course not out of the woods 289 00:15:23,135 --> 00:15:26,255 Speaker 7: just yet. He's still going through one heck of a 290 00:15:26,295 --> 00:15:28,895 Speaker 7: recovery process right now, but no doubt we will learn 291 00:15:28,935 --> 00:15:32,415 Speaker 7: more about him in full time. But just an absolute 292 00:15:32,455 --> 00:15:35,495 Speaker 7: example of extreme bravery and in the words of the 293 00:15:35,535 --> 00:15:37,655 Speaker 7: new South Wales Premier Chris Mins, you know, if it 294 00:15:37,735 --> 00:15:40,815 Speaker 7: wasn't for the actions of this man, more lives would 295 00:15:40,815 --> 00:15:41,295 Speaker 7: have been lost. 296 00:15:41,735 --> 00:15:43,975 Speaker 1: David Life from Bondo this morning, Thank you so much 297 00:15:44,015 --> 00:15:45,215 Speaker 1: for joining us. Appreciate it. 298 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:45,695 Speaker 7: Thank you. 299 00:15:45,935 --> 00:15:49,095 Speaker 1: Parents are today being urged to keep young children offline 300 00:15:49,175 --> 00:15:52,095 Speaker 1: in the coming days, also to avoid them seeing any 301 00:15:52,175 --> 00:15:54,935 Speaker 1: of the footage that's doing the rounds on various platforms, 302 00:15:55,215 --> 00:15:57,815 Speaker 1: with a warning from experts that not all the footage 303 00:15:57,855 --> 00:16:00,855 Speaker 1: has been verified and to ensure you don't share anything 304 00:16:00,895 --> 00:16:04,215 Speaker 1: that could be AI generated or doctored. There's a photo 305 00:16:04,335 --> 00:16:06,975 Speaker 1: of a license reporter belonging to one of the alleged 306 00:16:06,975 --> 00:16:11,055 Speaker 1: shooters identifying him, which has been posted online. Police have 307 00:16:11,135 --> 00:16:13,895 Speaker 1: responded calling for calm, saying this is not a time 308 00:16:13,895 --> 00:16:17,215 Speaker 1: for retribution. Private schools in the vicinity of the shooting 309 00:16:17,255 --> 00:16:20,895 Speaker 1: will be closed today. It's unconfirmed whether state schools will 310 00:16:20,935 --> 00:16:23,855 Speaker 1: follow suit. The public are also being asked to avoid 311 00:16:23,855 --> 00:16:27,455 Speaker 1: the area around Campbell Parade today if possible, including those 312 00:16:27,495 --> 00:16:29,935 Speaker 1: who would normally drive through to get to work this morning. 313 00:16:30,255 --> 00:16:32,735 Speaker 1: Police are calling for anyone who has footage from the 314 00:16:32,775 --> 00:16:35,095 Speaker 1: event to get in touch. You can reach out via 315 00:16:35,215 --> 00:16:38,575 Speaker 1: crime Stoppers on one eight hundred, triple three, triple zero. 316 00:16:39,095 --> 00:16:42,735 Speaker 2: Thanks Clan. Next from Radditt's high court fight to a 317 00:16:42,775 --> 00:16:46,655 Speaker 2: new wave of rules aimed at what you actually see online, 318 00:16:46,775 --> 00:16:56,975 Speaker 2: Australia's social media showdown is just getting started. Cast your 319 00:16:57,015 --> 00:17:00,455 Speaker 2: mind back to Wednesday last week, the day social media 320 00:17:00,695 --> 00:17:05,415 Speaker 2: changed forever in Australia. All age restricted social media PLA 321 00:17:05,494 --> 00:17:09,494 Speaker 2: platforms operating in Australia became legally required to keep under 322 00:17:09,534 --> 00:17:14,095 Speaker 2: sixteens from having accounts on their services. That includes heavyweights 323 00:17:14,135 --> 00:17:19,054 Speaker 2: like TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat, YouTube x, Facebook, and a handful 324 00:17:19,094 --> 00:17:23,654 Speaker 2: of others. At the same time, community driven discussion platform Reddit, 325 00:17:23,854 --> 00:17:26,534 Speaker 2: one of the age restrected sites, says it'll seek a 326 00:17:26,655 --> 00:17:30,375 Speaker 2: challenge to the new laws. In a post last Friday, 327 00:17:30,415 --> 00:17:34,174 Speaker 2: Reddit says it agrees with protecting people under sixteen, but 328 00:17:34,375 --> 00:17:37,734 Speaker 2: the age verification aspects are concerning this. 329 00:17:37,854 --> 00:17:41,654 Speaker 6: Law has the unfortunate effect of forcing intrusive and potentially 330 00:17:41,655 --> 00:17:45,935 Speaker 6: insecure verification processes on adults as well as miners, isolating 331 00:17:45,935 --> 00:17:49,655 Speaker 6: teams from the ability to engage in age appropriate community experiences, 332 00:17:50,014 --> 00:17:53,734 Speaker 6: including political discussions, and creating an illogical patchwork of which 333 00:17:53,734 --> 00:17:55,655 Speaker 6: platforms are included and which aren't. 334 00:17:55,935 --> 00:17:58,734 Speaker 2: As a reminder, the onus is on the platforms to 335 00:17:58,854 --> 00:18:02,934 Speaker 2: enforce the law, using age checking systems and government ID 336 00:18:03,054 --> 00:18:07,654 Speaker 2: free verification to block younger users. So almost a week in, 337 00:18:08,094 --> 00:18:11,414 Speaker 2: how are the teens handling it? Fifteen year old Chili 338 00:18:11,534 --> 00:18:14,254 Speaker 2: says most of her friends and her own accounts were 339 00:18:14,375 --> 00:18:18,375 Speaker 2: unblemished by the band, that it's pretty much been business 340 00:18:18,415 --> 00:18:18,975 Speaker 2: as usual. 341 00:18:20,094 --> 00:18:22,574 Speaker 9: I mean, I didn't really care too much. I'm not 342 00:18:22,614 --> 00:18:26,935 Speaker 9: that devastated about the whole entire thing. I just think 343 00:18:26,935 --> 00:18:29,254 Speaker 9: it's a bit like such a non issue. 344 00:18:29,455 --> 00:18:29,934 Speaker 6: I didn't. 345 00:18:30,014 --> 00:18:31,815 Speaker 9: I was just like, oh, and then I just went 346 00:18:31,854 --> 00:18:32,774 Speaker 9: on about my day. 347 00:18:33,135 --> 00:18:35,334 Speaker 2: Even before the switch off day, there was a rush 348 00:18:35,334 --> 00:18:38,854 Speaker 2: towards more obscure apps like you Open Lemonade, which shot 349 00:18:38,935 --> 00:18:42,174 Speaker 2: up Australia's app charts after TikTok videos touted them as 350 00:18:42,175 --> 00:18:45,654 Speaker 2: safe havens from the band. Experts say this was the 351 00:18:45,814 --> 00:18:49,895 Speaker 2: single most predictable response. Kids following their friends, and if 352 00:18:49,895 --> 00:18:53,054 Speaker 2: you close one door, they'll look for another, sometimes on 353 00:18:53,135 --> 00:18:55,574 Speaker 2: much riskier, less moderated platforms. 354 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:56,615 Speaker 8: All of that. 355 00:18:56,614 --> 00:19:00,135 Speaker 2: Seats on top of a live High Court challenge. Last week, 356 00:19:00,175 --> 00:19:03,014 Speaker 2: we spoke with fifteen year old Noah Jones and sixteen 357 00:19:03,094 --> 00:19:06,135 Speaker 2: year old Macy Neeland. Backed by the Digital Free and Project, 358 00:19:06,215 --> 00:19:08,215 Speaker 2: the pair have convinced the High Court to hear a 359 00:19:08,294 --> 00:19:12,254 Speaker 2: special case next year, arguing the band breaches Australia's implied 360 00:19:12,294 --> 00:19:13,935 Speaker 2: freedom of political communication. 361 00:19:15,094 --> 00:19:18,894 Speaker 10: There's no way that we can share our views or 362 00:19:19,014 --> 00:19:22,814 Speaker 10: get out there without social media. We can obviously be 363 00:19:22,895 --> 00:19:26,135 Speaker 10: there in person, but it's the modern town square. This 364 00:19:26,215 --> 00:19:30,335 Speaker 10: is how like ideas and everything shared around, and we'll 365 00:19:30,415 --> 00:19:31,894 Speaker 10: just be isolated and cut off from that. 366 00:19:32,655 --> 00:19:36,855 Speaker 2: The criticism you keep hearing from lawyers, researchers, teens and 367 00:19:36,895 --> 00:19:39,854 Speaker 2: even some parents is that the band takes aim at 368 00:19:39,854 --> 00:19:40,494 Speaker 2: the wrong thing. 369 00:19:41,254 --> 00:19:46,655 Speaker 11: This law doesn't put all kid safety measures into aspects online. 370 00:19:46,854 --> 00:19:49,494 Speaker 11: There are so many more digital apps that are so 371 00:19:49,935 --> 00:19:54,134 Speaker 11: far more detrimental to our health, like all social media. 372 00:19:54,375 --> 00:19:57,415 Speaker 11: What we need is a safe space for under eighteen 373 00:19:57,455 --> 00:20:00,335 Speaker 11: year olds, which would be done through AI, because AI 374 00:20:00,415 --> 00:20:02,974 Speaker 11: is obviously advancing and it's not going to stop. It's 375 00:20:03,254 --> 00:20:06,174 Speaker 11: a modern time. That's what we rely on. Is so 376 00:20:06,175 --> 00:20:08,814 Speaker 11: I don't know why we can't use AI to monitor 377 00:20:09,215 --> 00:20:12,134 Speaker 11: these social media platforms rather than banning it. 378 00:20:12,135 --> 00:20:15,654 Speaker 2: It blocks younger teams from mainstream apps, sure, but it 379 00:20:15,695 --> 00:20:19,494 Speaker 2: doesn't directly tackle the features that drive harm like recommend 380 00:20:19,494 --> 00:20:24,014 Speaker 2: to algorithms, endless scroll feeds, self harm and disordered eating content, 381 00:20:24,294 --> 00:20:29,774 Speaker 2: unmoderated dms or targeted advertising at kids, all things Communications 382 00:20:29,814 --> 00:20:32,654 Speaker 2: Minister Anika Wells concedes will be a priority for the 383 00:20:32,695 --> 00:20:35,494 Speaker 2: government in the new year, while appearing at a National 384 00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:37,455 Speaker 2: Press Club address earlier in the month. 385 00:20:37,975 --> 00:20:40,855 Speaker 12: The next step of this, which is a holistic response 386 00:20:40,935 --> 00:20:43,494 Speaker 12: that we're making to online safety as part of our 387 00:20:43,494 --> 00:20:46,014 Speaker 12: response to the Online Safety after Review, is the digital 388 00:20:46,094 --> 00:20:48,814 Speaker 12: duty of care captures all the water bouts of this law. 389 00:20:48,895 --> 00:20:52,734 Speaker 12: I think that is open question to Australians what do 390 00:20:52,774 --> 00:20:56,534 Speaker 12: we expect of our social media platforms? What responsibility, what 391 00:20:56,774 --> 00:21:00,775 Speaker 12: legal duty of care do they owe us as Australians. 392 00:21:01,574 --> 00:21:03,774 Speaker 2: Now a new wave of rules is set to come 393 00:21:03,854 --> 00:21:06,854 Speaker 2: in over the Christmas break. Alongside the age ban, the 394 00:21:06,895 --> 00:21:11,375 Speaker 2: Federal government and regulators have been developing stronger obligations around content, 395 00:21:11,655 --> 00:21:15,894 Speaker 2: especially for children. That includes tighter duties on platforms to 396 00:21:15,975 --> 00:21:21,095 Speaker 2: proactively detect and reduce harmful material like suicide promotion, extreme 397 00:21:21,175 --> 00:21:26,174 Speaker 2: diets and violent content. More transparency around how recommendation algorithms 398 00:21:26,215 --> 00:21:29,414 Speaker 2: work for younger users, and new enforcement powers for e 399 00:21:29,574 --> 00:21:32,935 Speaker 2: safety to find companies or force changes when they fail 400 00:21:33,014 --> 00:21:36,334 Speaker 2: to protect kids. It's part of a global shift towards 401 00:21:36,334 --> 00:21:40,294 Speaker 2: tighter oversight of what we post, share and see, especially 402 00:21:40,334 --> 00:21:44,174 Speaker 2: when it comes to children. So what does what's coming 403 00:21:44,254 --> 00:21:49,174 Speaker 2: next actually look like for Australian families? According to researchers 404 00:21:49,175 --> 00:21:53,414 Speaker 2: from Edith Cowan University, we can expect three big themes. First, 405 00:21:53,534 --> 00:21:56,894 Speaker 2: a crackdown on harmful content and features, with pressure on 406 00:21:56,935 --> 00:22:00,055 Speaker 2: platforms to change how they design apps for younger users, 407 00:22:00,455 --> 00:22:03,534 Speaker 2: not just how old you have to be to sign up. Second, 408 00:22:03,614 --> 00:22:06,534 Speaker 2: a legal challenge on whether the aiach band goes too 409 00:22:06,614 --> 00:22:09,175 Speaker 2: far and if it needs to be redrawn to better 410 00:22:09,215 --> 00:22:13,094 Speaker 2: target the real risks. And Third, a lot more friction 411 00:22:13,254 --> 00:22:16,294 Speaker 2: at sign up. That's more pop ups, more checks, and 412 00:22:16,455 --> 00:22:19,054 Speaker 2: more need to double shake any message asking for your 413 00:22:19,135 --> 00:22:22,334 Speaker 2: kid's data so you're not falling for a scam wrapped 414 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:26,494 Speaker 2: in official language. Let's give the final say today to 415 00:22:26,655 --> 00:22:29,574 Speaker 2: fifteen year old Chili, echoing what so many of her 416 00:22:29,655 --> 00:22:32,854 Speaker 2: peers and other critics of these world first laws have 417 00:22:32,975 --> 00:22:35,215 Speaker 2: said on the band's execution. 418 00:22:35,415 --> 00:22:37,175 Speaker 9: I feel like the same thing that could happen to 419 00:22:37,294 --> 00:22:39,935 Speaker 9: younger people could still happen to the people above sixteen. 420 00:22:40,375 --> 00:22:43,295 Speaker 9: Originally I thought they were getting rid of TikTok because 421 00:22:43,534 --> 00:22:45,894 Speaker 9: like the doom scrolling and like we don't have like 422 00:22:46,054 --> 00:22:48,575 Speaker 9: the losing our childhood. But then they just don't want 423 00:22:48,574 --> 00:22:51,215 Speaker 9: our accounts there, but we can still scroll. So there's 424 00:22:51,215 --> 00:22:54,695 Speaker 9: a lot of pointless things about this enforcement. I think 425 00:22:54,695 --> 00:22:57,574 Speaker 9: that they should instead of taking off the kids, I 426 00:22:57,614 --> 00:22:59,654 Speaker 9: think they should take off the people that are harming 427 00:22:59,655 --> 00:23:02,774 Speaker 9: the kids. They should be more stern about that rather 428 00:23:02,814 --> 00:23:06,295 Speaker 9: than the victims of the situation. It's just a bit 429 00:23:06,334 --> 00:23:09,254 Speaker 9: of a pointless project in my opinion. 430 00:23:11,415 --> 00:23:13,614 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 431 00:23:13,695 --> 00:23:16,615 Speaker 2: us today. The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano, 432 00:23:16,814 --> 00:23:20,935 Speaker 2: Laria Brophy and Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill. 433 00:23:24,294 --> 00:23:27,375 Speaker 1: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 434 00:23:27,415 --> 00:23:29,054 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on.