WEBVTT - WTF Just Happened? The Election, Prince Harry & Nagi 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.342 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:22.582 that this podcast is recorded on. Just shush, just stop 0:00:22.782 --> 0:00:25.821 throwing rocks at these people. They have no choices in 0:00:25.862 --> 0:00:28.022 their situation either. The King was born into his role, 0:00:28.062 --> 0:00:30.222 William was born into his. They're trying to do the 0:00:30.222 --> 0:00:32.462 best they can while Harry throws rocks at the boom 0:00:32.622 --> 0:00:34.262 every angle, all the time. 0:00:34.462 --> 0:00:38.781 Dad, King of England, you had me, You knew exactly 0:00:38.902 --> 0:00:41.302 what you were doing when you had two sons, and 0:00:40.862 --> 0:00:42.622 you owe me protection. 0:00:42.742 --> 0:00:43.902 My dad should look after me. 0:00:47.582 --> 0:00:50.742 Hello and welcome to Momma Mia. Out loud, what women 0:00:50.782 --> 0:00:53.582 are actually talking about? On Monday, the fifth of May. 0:00:53.902 --> 0:00:56.782 I'm Holly Wainwright and we are back from the road 0:00:57.262 --> 0:00:58.982 where we were last week when we went to Perth 0:00:59.022 --> 0:01:01.742 to our first live show and get ready friends who 0:01:01.742 --> 0:01:04.622 were coming to the tour because it was a little chaotic, 0:01:04.742 --> 0:01:06.342 wasn't it exceptionally fun? 0:01:06.462 --> 0:01:09.942 Exceptionally fun? There was a costume change backstage. It had 0:01:10.021 --> 0:01:12.902 us all nearly weighing ourselves and I think I came 0:01:12.902 --> 0:01:14.622 out with it on back front. I think they'll be 0:01:14.662 --> 0:01:16.942 a complained, but wear more than they'd bug. 0:01:16.862 --> 0:01:20.382 Yes, exactly right, It's true. Yeah, we were, of course 0:01:20.382 --> 0:01:22.622 in Perth. I'm mere Friedman. By the way, I was 0:01:22.662 --> 0:01:25.301 in Perth with my co hosts and the out Loud 0:01:25.342 --> 0:01:28.542 team and it was so awesome to see all the 0:01:28.542 --> 0:01:31.982 out louders. It was chaos, it was We were a 0:01:32.022 --> 0:01:35.142 little rusty, but we ironed out a lot of the 0:01:35.222 --> 0:01:37.782 kinks pretty quickly except for the end. 0:01:38.302 --> 0:01:43.582 There are a few tickets left for the shows in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne. 0:01:43.582 --> 0:01:45.622 Don't at me if they're definitely all gone, but I 0:01:45.622 --> 0:01:47.142 think there are a few left if you want to 0:01:47.142 --> 0:01:48.422 come and see the chaos for yourself. 0:01:48.462 --> 0:01:50.382 And I'm Jesse Stevens and I'll say as well. Another 0:01:50.462 --> 0:01:52.742 highlight from Perth was the life size cutouts that were 0:01:52.742 --> 0:01:55.982 twenty five percent to god, that really tickled. 0:01:56.142 --> 0:01:58.062 I think it was life size for you and Holly. 0:01:58.422 --> 0:01:58.462 No. 0:01:58.582 --> 0:02:01.662 What was weird is that I was abnormally tall compared 0:02:01.662 --> 0:02:04.382 to Holly, who was about half her actual size, and 0:02:04.382 --> 0:02:05.942 you could see out louders getting there and being like, 0:02:05.982 --> 0:02:09.382 they really are shorter than I expected. We are not four. 0:02:09.222 --> 0:02:12.902 Feet Shout out to an out louder city who donated 0:02:12.942 --> 0:02:14.942 her ticket to the show. In Perth to another out 0:02:14.982 --> 0:02:18.262 louder called Megan after she couldn't go. How great are 0:02:18.262 --> 0:02:19.982 out louders. There's a lot going on in the group, 0:02:20.262 --> 0:02:23.182 Tickets being swapped, shared, donated. 0:02:23.462 --> 0:02:26.621 Come come see us on today's show, Down to Business. 0:02:26.662 --> 0:02:30.302 Did something big happen on the weekend? Did it well? 0:02:30.382 --> 0:02:30.622 Yes? 0:02:30.702 --> 0:02:33.782 But do you mean an historic election result that no 0:02:33.822 --> 0:02:37.462 one saw coming? Or do you mean Prince Harry's remarkable 0:02:37.582 --> 0:02:41.022 emotional interview, or do you mean the settling of the 0:02:41.062 --> 0:02:43.702 fallout of the feud between two of the biggest names 0:02:43.702 --> 0:02:46.622 in your kitchen? Whichever one of those, We've got you 0:02:46.782 --> 0:02:50.182 on today's show. But first, a piece of quiet, earth 0:02:50.262 --> 0:02:52.662 shattering scorelous gossip from mere free. 0:02:52.862 --> 0:02:56.942 Brooklyn Beckham the eldest son of David and Victoria Beckham. 0:02:57.662 --> 0:03:01.702 He's twenty six and he was absent from David Beckham's 0:03:01.702 --> 0:03:05.901 fiftieth birthday celebrations, which happened over the weekend. They sort 0:03:05.942 --> 0:03:10.702 of sprawled across different countries. There was various lunches and gatherings, 0:03:10.742 --> 0:03:14.262 but the main party was in London after some earlier 0:03:14.502 --> 0:03:18.822 more intimate family events. Why did Brooklyn miss this? Now 0:03:18.862 --> 0:03:21.062 we know family is very important to the Beckhams, and 0:03:21.142 --> 0:03:24.382 the main reason seems to be the ongoing family tension 0:03:25.022 --> 0:03:29.862 between Brooklyn and his brother Romeo. Romeo's the middle brother. 0:03:30.662 --> 0:03:34.302 Romeo's dating a girl called Kim Turnbull who previously dated 0:03:34.342 --> 0:03:37.662 Brooklyn when he was a teenager, and Brooklyn and his wife, 0:03:37.782 --> 0:03:41.302 Nicola Pelts, prefer to avoid events when Kim is present, 0:03:41.382 --> 0:03:43.142 so it's been rumored for a while that there is 0:03:43.262 --> 0:03:47.102 trouble between the siblings. In the past, it's been rumored 0:03:47.142 --> 0:03:49.982 that there was trouble between Nicola Pelts and Victoria Beckham, 0:03:49.982 --> 0:03:54.102 but they had a few very public shows of strength 0:03:54.142 --> 0:03:55.102 and solidarity. 0:03:55.502 --> 0:03:58.742 I thought that the issue what I was reading was 0:03:58.782 --> 0:04:02.062 that it was Rocco, who's Madonna's child. 0:04:01.942 --> 0:04:04.622 Rocco Richie. He's a side character. I think he might 0:04:04.622 --> 0:04:09.142 have also dated Kim Turnbull, who was Apparently it's been 0:04:09.182 --> 0:04:13.462 reported that Brooklyn and Nicola flew to London to try 0:04:13.502 --> 0:04:15.742 and arrange a private celebration with David. They said, we're 0:04:15.742 --> 0:04:17.421 not going to the main party. We don't want to 0:04:17.421 --> 0:04:21.302 be around Romeo's girlfriend, but we want to see you privately. 0:04:21.861 --> 0:04:24.541 Apparently the family insisted that they attend the main event 0:04:25.022 --> 0:04:27.621 or not see them at all, leading to the couple 0:04:27.662 --> 0:04:30.301 missing the festivities completely. Now, of course you can look 0:04:30.342 --> 0:04:32.782 at Instagram for the real story, and it does seem 0:04:32.821 --> 0:04:35.101 to be there, because Brooklyn and Nicola did not post 0:04:35.181 --> 0:04:38.741 publicly anything about reaching his dad happy Birthday, and the 0:04:38.782 --> 0:04:41.662 Beckhams when they posted some of the gorgeous family photos 0:04:41.702 --> 0:04:44.342 from the night and the festivities, they usually if he's 0:04:44.342 --> 0:04:47.181 not around, will tag Brooklyn and say missing you, Brooklyn. 0:04:47.342 --> 0:04:48.342 No mention of Brooklyn. 0:04:48.421 --> 0:04:51.661 It's really sad because we're talking in a while about 0:04:51.662 --> 0:04:54.741 the royal rift between two famous brothers. But who is 0:04:54.741 --> 0:04:55.261 the real. 0:04:55.142 --> 0:04:56.701 Royalty here for gen X? 0:04:56.741 --> 0:04:59.941 One would argue maybe Posh and becks R indeed, and 0:04:59.981 --> 0:05:03.541 they are such wife guys, those guys like Brooklyn Beckham's 0:05:03.541 --> 0:05:06.222 personality is eighty five percent I love my wife and 0:05:06.381 --> 0:05:08.421 the other fifteen percent is hot sauce. 0:05:08.662 --> 0:05:10.221 So between us two things. 0:05:10.541 --> 0:05:13.981 But it is notable that considering how tight those families 0:05:13.981 --> 0:05:17.382 are like, they are a very tight family. He has 0:05:17.462 --> 0:05:19.741 not posted about his family since Christmas. 0:05:20.061 --> 0:05:23.101 I can't choose who you have children marry, can you, Jesse, No, 0:05:23.222 --> 0:05:23.701 you can't. 0:05:24.181 --> 0:05:27.101 But I did read that in the last eleven family 0:05:27.142 --> 0:05:30.782 gatherings that they've had Brooklyn and Nicola have not attended. 0:05:30.861 --> 0:05:33.541 And my question is why are there's so many family 0:05:33.582 --> 0:05:35.461 gathering eleven love. 0:05:35.702 --> 0:05:39.062 They love a party, they love getting together. This fiftieth 0:05:39.301 --> 0:05:42.301 has had a massive party in London that Tom Cruise 0:05:42.342 --> 0:05:43.902 was there, all these guys and they're in Paris and 0:05:43.902 --> 0:05:45.181 they're doing a big thing in Paris. 0:05:45.181 --> 0:05:46.382 And this was at number four. 0:05:47.222 --> 0:05:49.382 They love a party. When Victoria turned fifty they did 0:05:49.421 --> 0:05:51.461 a similar thing. They love a party, they love a 0:05:51.501 --> 0:05:52.301 family shindig. 0:05:52.741 --> 0:05:56.421 It's David is very much a birthday girly. He's a 0:05:56.462 --> 0:05:59.221 birthday month, massive birthday. He loves a birthday. 0:05:59.262 --> 0:06:00.462 Happy birthday, David. 0:06:00.541 --> 0:06:03.101 And then I also read that Brooklyn did not wish 0:06:03.262 --> 0:06:05.782 Victoria a fifty first happy birthday, and I was like, 0:06:06.061 --> 0:06:08.662 come on, fifty one, I'm sure you turn fifty one 0:06:08.702 --> 0:06:10.262 at one point, I know when it was. 0:06:10.342 --> 0:06:12.222 If it doesn't happen on the graund didn't happen. 0:06:12.902 --> 0:06:18.021 Over the weekend, Australia's election made history. Anthony Albanesi became 0:06:18.061 --> 0:06:20.741 the first Prime minister in two decades to secure a 0:06:20.741 --> 0:06:24.981 second term. The Labor Party saw record lows in polling 0:06:25.022 --> 0:06:27.821 at the start of the year, with Australians struggling with 0:06:27.902 --> 0:06:29.902 things like the cost of living crisis, as well as 0:06:29.981 --> 0:06:34.582 challenges to healthcare and housing. And while many were expecting 0:06:34.621 --> 0:06:39.422 a labor victory, no one predicted a landslide of this magnitude. 0:06:39.662 --> 0:06:43.981 Here is what Alberanesi said during his victory speech today. 0:06:43.702 --> 0:06:52.741 The Australian people have voted for Australian values, for fairness, 0:06:52.902 --> 0:06:58.022 aspiration and opportunity for all. But now that the Australian 0:06:58.061 --> 0:07:01.942 people have made their clear choice, let us all reflect 0:07:02.381 --> 0:07:05.861 on what we have in common. Because no matter who 0:07:06.101 --> 0:07:09.421 you voted for, no matter where you live, no matter 0:07:09.421 --> 0:07:13.182 how how you worship or who you love, whether you 0:07:13.262 --> 0:07:15.941 belong to a culture that has known and cared for 0:07:16.022 --> 0:07:21.342 this great continent for sixty five thousand years, or you 0:07:21.462 --> 0:07:26.141 have chosen our nation as your home and enriched our 0:07:26.262 --> 0:07:31.862 society with your contribution, we are all Australians. 0:07:32.702 --> 0:07:35.062 Look this brings us to the Coalition And while all 0:07:35.062 --> 0:07:37.502 the votes have still not been counted, it looks like 0:07:37.582 --> 0:07:41.302 the Coalition will receive the lowest votes since the Liberal 0:07:41.342 --> 0:07:43.261 Party was formed in nineteen forty four. 0:07:43.542 --> 0:07:45.101 What a great night, not a great navent. 0:07:45.622 --> 0:07:49.302 Peter Dutton lost his seat in Dixon, Queensland after holding 0:07:49.302 --> 0:07:51.622 it for twenty four years. This is what he had 0:07:51.622 --> 0:07:51.982 to say. 0:07:52.381 --> 0:07:54.901 Now, we didn't do well enough during this campaign. That 0:07:55.022 --> 0:07:58.381 much is obvious tonight and I accept full responsibility for that. 0:07:59.302 --> 0:08:02.941 Earlier on I called the Prime Minister to congratulate him 0:08:03.022 --> 0:08:06.862 on his success tonight. It's an historic occasion for the 0:08:06.941 --> 0:08:10.941 Labor Party and we recognize that. Congratulated the Prime Minister 0:08:10.982 --> 0:08:13.381 in which Tea, you and Jody and Nathan all the 0:08:13.462 --> 0:08:15.462 very best. And I said to the Prime Minister that 0:08:15.502 --> 0:08:18.582 his mum would be incredibly proud of his achievement tonight, 0:08:18.622 --> 0:08:20.462 and he should be very proud of what he's achieved. 0:08:20.662 --> 0:08:23.942 That's beautiful, consessions, incredibly gracious. 0:08:24.022 --> 0:08:27.422 Holly. Do you want to just quickly explain what that 0:08:27.502 --> 0:08:29.302 means for people who might have missed it in terms 0:08:29.302 --> 0:08:31.782 of Dutton losing not only the election but losing his seat. 0:08:31.821 --> 0:08:32.102 Yeah. 0:08:32.142 --> 0:08:35.342 So, very often the leader of a big political party 0:08:35.342 --> 0:08:38.102 will have a pretty safe seat. But actually Dutton's seat 0:08:38.142 --> 0:08:40.502 of Dixon in Queensland has never been particularly safe. It's 0:08:40.502 --> 0:08:43.782 always had quite a type margin. However, I don't think 0:08:43.782 --> 0:08:45.822 anybody thought he was going to lose it, apart from 0:08:45.862 --> 0:08:49.662 apparently Albo. They were saying on insiders on the ABC yesterday, 0:08:49.742 --> 0:08:52.062 Samantha Maiden was saying that when Albow was on it 0:08:52.662 --> 0:08:55.302 months ago, as the campaign has been announced, he kind 0:08:55.342 --> 0:08:57.382 of said a little bit off handedly, like keep an 0:08:57.382 --> 0:09:00.502 eye on Dixon, like they obviously thought that it might go, 0:09:00.622 --> 0:09:03.502 but it wasn't being treated seriously in any way by 0:09:03.542 --> 0:09:05.622 the media. And of course, the thing is about a 0:09:05.702 --> 0:09:08.462 leader losing his seat. This means he can't possibly carry 0:09:08.462 --> 0:09:11.982 on as leader because oh he's out of it. He's yeah, 0:09:12.022 --> 0:09:14.902 he's basically no longer the member. And a woman called 0:09:14.942 --> 0:09:17.262 Ali Frantz is now. She has tried to get that 0:09:17.342 --> 0:09:21.342 seat three times. And her speech was also excellent where 0:09:21.382 --> 0:09:23.422 she said that people said it was ungettable, there was 0:09:23.462 --> 0:09:27.102 no way, and she said, yeah nah, those were her words, 0:09:27.462 --> 0:09:28.582 Yeah nah, I'm gonna try. 0:09:28.702 --> 0:09:31.102 She has an extraordinary story. She lost a leg after 0:09:31.142 --> 0:09:34.022 a car accident I think in twenty eleven, and she's 0:09:34.182 --> 0:09:37.542 been a disability advocate since then, and she lost her 0:09:37.582 --> 0:09:42.382 eldest son, Henry last year, and you've got to think 0:09:42.422 --> 0:09:44.822 about what it must have taken for her. She said 0:09:45.342 --> 0:09:48.182 she's thought about him every day in his campaign. It 0:09:48.342 --> 0:09:50.342 was a historic night. The last time that we can 0:09:50.382 --> 0:09:54.942 think about a leader losing his seat was when John 0:09:54.982 --> 0:09:56.862 Howard lost his seat when he was Prime Minister. 0:09:57.142 --> 0:09:59.302 Yeah, you know what was good about that. We were 0:09:59.342 --> 0:10:03.262 just all agreeing how gracious that speech was, because you 0:10:03.302 --> 0:10:07.462 can't overestimate how devastating this result is for Dotton personally, 0:10:07.942 --> 0:10:10.982 because he you know, everybody is saying that his campaign 0:10:11.062 --> 0:10:14.782 that he led was disastrous and that Australian people generally 0:10:14.782 --> 0:10:17.582 thought that he was unelectable. He's lost his own seat. 0:10:17.982 --> 0:10:23.102 But he also mentioned Ali Frantz's son in his concession speech. 0:10:23.182 --> 0:10:24.982 I messaged you while we were watching that and I 0:10:25.062 --> 0:10:28.022 was saying, it makes me feel lucky to live in 0:10:28.022 --> 0:10:31.942 Australia because however you feel politically, the fact that speech 0:10:32.022 --> 0:10:34.622 was so gracious in that moment, and also that Albert 0:10:34.622 --> 0:10:37.662 did the same because when he made his acceptance speech 0:10:37.702 --> 0:10:40.382 and you know, he's just been handed a win that 0:10:40.462 --> 0:10:43.862 he didn't see coming, and the crowd started to boo 0:10:43.942 --> 0:10:46.862 Peter Dutton when Albo said Dutton's name, and he stopped 0:10:46.862 --> 0:10:49.542 them and he quite sternly chided them. 0:10:49.582 --> 0:10:53.022 No, what we do in Australia is we treat people 0:10:53.022 --> 0:10:53.742 with respect. 0:10:55.982 --> 0:10:58.702 I felt warm and fuzzy about that because I think 0:10:59.302 --> 0:11:01.542 you know, we talk a lot about the lowering of 0:11:01.582 --> 0:11:03.782 the tone of public debate, we talk a lot about 0:11:03.822 --> 0:11:07.542 the division, and I feel like this election result, but 0:11:07.782 --> 0:11:11.182 modeled by those two speeches in particular, was a rejection 0:11:11.262 --> 0:11:11.502 of that. 0:11:11.822 --> 0:11:12.062 Yeah. 0:11:12.102 --> 0:11:14.542 I felt very grateful that we live in a country 0:11:14.742 --> 0:11:20.062 where both leaders in this case gave humble and considered 0:11:20.102 --> 0:11:22.622 and graceful speeches. Like some people have said that the 0:11:22.662 --> 0:11:25.542 Trump factor clarified a lot of Australians on what they 0:11:25.582 --> 0:11:27.222 want and what they don't want, and that they've kind 0:11:27.222 --> 0:11:30.502 of got conflict fatigue. That's something that Alberanize has been 0:11:30.542 --> 0:11:33.782 working against a lot. But to have Dutton be so 0:11:34.742 --> 0:11:38.382 humble in that loss to accept it, which sounds so basic, 0:11:38.502 --> 0:11:41.622 but I think that that was that was really moving. 0:11:41.862 --> 0:11:44.502 We're at a point now where the Liberal Party need 0:11:44.542 --> 0:11:46.942 a new leader, they need an internal review and a 0:11:46.942 --> 0:11:49.902 total party reset. And look, we of course know that 0:11:49.942 --> 0:11:52.422 out louders voted all sorts of ways for all sorts 0:11:52.462 --> 0:11:55.942 of different reasons, and we're not here to shame anyone 0:11:56.142 --> 0:11:58.822 or comment on anyone's vote. But the facts are the facts. 0:11:59.222 --> 0:12:01.222 Mea what happened, because at the. 0:12:01.182 --> 0:12:04.342 Start of the year, the odds were that Dutton was 0:12:04.342 --> 0:12:05.942 going to be the next prime minister. I mean that's 0:12:05.942 --> 0:12:08.942 what the polling was saying. Alboat had some slips. There 0:12:08.942 --> 0:12:12.302 was a sense of despair within the ALP that they 0:12:12.342 --> 0:12:15.982 were just not ready. But then the campaign started because 0:12:15.982 --> 0:12:18.862 no one expected. When Dutton was first elected as leader 0:12:18.902 --> 0:12:22.662 of the opposition after the last election and Scott Morrison left, 0:12:23.462 --> 0:12:26.182 no one really thought that he had a chance. But 0:12:26.222 --> 0:12:29.742 then he surprised people by being quite a good opposition 0:12:29.862 --> 0:12:33.622 leader in terms of having cut through getting a lot 0:12:33.662 --> 0:12:37.302 of support. And what's been interesting is that there's three 0:12:37.502 --> 0:12:40.422 different roles that you have to play as a politician. 0:12:40.742 --> 0:12:44.502 One is being opposition leader, one is campaigning to be 0:12:44.622 --> 0:12:47.182 the prime minister during an active campaign, and the third 0:12:47.262 --> 0:12:51.142 is actually being prime minister. And some people are better 0:12:51.222 --> 0:12:53.542 in opposition than they are as prime minister, like Tony 0:12:53.542 --> 0:12:57.422 Abbott was quite good in opposition, but not what people 0:12:57.502 --> 0:13:00.582 wanted in a leader. And as soon as the campaign started, 0:13:00.622 --> 0:13:03.542 what's come out in the last forty eight hours is 0:13:03.622 --> 0:13:07.582 how prepared the Labor Party was and how ill prepared 0:13:07.662 --> 0:13:11.902 the Liberal Party was, and they had a lot of time. 0:13:11.942 --> 0:13:14.381 It wasn't a surprise that the election was happening. In fact, 0:13:14.422 --> 0:13:16.182 the election was delayed a little bit because of the 0:13:16.182 --> 0:13:19.662 floods and the cyclone in Queensland. But they had no 0:13:19.782 --> 0:13:25.062 economic policy. They made mistakes in the policies that they announced, 0:13:25.462 --> 0:13:27.462 like the you know, all public servants were going to 0:13:27.502 --> 0:13:29.182 have to work from home. That was an own goal 0:13:29.622 --> 0:13:33.182 that they really couldn't recover from because that was positioned 0:13:33.382 --> 0:13:36.782 smartly by the AOP as being anti women, about being 0:13:36.782 --> 0:13:39.102 a threat to the private sector as well. They had 0:13:39.102 --> 0:13:42.142 to then recount that position and they took a long time. 0:13:42.182 --> 0:13:44.022 You know, the idea that the Liberal government or the 0:13:44.062 --> 0:13:48.262 Liberal Party are the more fiscally responsible ones. They didn't 0:13:48.302 --> 0:13:51.502 really have any vision. They didn't really have any policies, 0:13:51.982 --> 0:13:53.742 and I think a lot of people said that both 0:13:53.742 --> 0:13:57.222 campaigns were pretty uninspiring. But even just the optics, I 0:13:57.222 --> 0:14:01.182 don't think a lot of people could name many Liberal politicians, 0:14:01.582 --> 0:14:04.262 you know, certainly not many women. There are a couple 0:14:04.422 --> 0:14:08.022 Susan Lay, Jane Hume, but they weren't very high profile. 0:14:08.102 --> 0:14:11.502 And friend of the pod At Mortlock, who started a 0:14:11.542 --> 0:14:15.302 network called Hillmer's Network about trying to get more women 0:14:15.342 --> 0:14:18.902 elected to the Liberal Party. You know, she's been sounding 0:14:18.902 --> 0:14:20.462 the alarm for a really long time. 0:14:20.622 --> 0:14:23.062 It felt like that was a very clear message that 0:14:23.102 --> 0:14:25.902 happened when Morrison was you know, kick the Teals came 0:14:26.022 --> 0:14:27.862 and the Teals came in, and it felt as though 0:14:27.862 --> 0:14:29.822 there are a lot of lessons learnt three years ago 0:14:29.902 --> 0:14:31.462 and all of them were forgotten. 0:14:31.662 --> 0:14:34.102 Well, they just weren't picked up. Yeah, because you know, 0:14:34.222 --> 0:14:36.302 you say that the alarm's been sounding in the Liberal 0:14:36.342 --> 0:14:39.582 Party for a while that they need to modernize and 0:14:39.622 --> 0:14:42.582 they need to diversify in terms of who they are. 0:14:43.302 --> 0:14:45.782 And you know a lot of the Teal candidates would 0:14:45.822 --> 0:14:49.142 have been natural Liberals in a slightly different setting and 0:14:49.182 --> 0:14:53.182 they are smart, professional women. They obviously didn't feel they 0:14:53.182 --> 0:14:55.742 had a place there. What the Labor Party would say, though, 0:14:55.822 --> 0:14:58.182 is they would say that they put quotas in place 0:14:58.222 --> 0:15:00.542 a very long time ago, that the Liberal Party have 0:15:00.582 --> 0:15:02.822 always poo pooed and said quotas are not for us. 0:15:03.382 --> 0:15:05.822 And it takes time to pay that off because you 0:15:05.862 --> 0:15:08.342 have to grow a talent bench and they have to mature 0:15:08.382 --> 0:15:11.062 and come to fruition. And now you know, in Queensland 0:15:11.142 --> 0:15:14.422 they've now got six new female Labor MPs. It's amazing, 0:15:14.542 --> 0:15:17.662 you know, there's parity in that party. So I think 0:15:17.742 --> 0:15:20.382 one of the things that happened is that, because you're 0:15:20.422 --> 0:15:22.222 right here that it was a pretty dull campaign in 0:15:22.262 --> 0:15:24.862 many ways. But I think Albo read the mood, and 0:15:25.502 --> 0:15:28.702 the mood is we don't want more division, we don't 0:15:28.742 --> 0:15:32.582 want more rgbardi, we don't want this kind of you know, 0:15:32.662 --> 0:15:34.862 in the final weeks of the campaign, when we talked 0:15:34.862 --> 0:15:37.622 about it last week, suddenly we're talking about welcome to country. 0:15:37.702 --> 0:15:40.742 And in my electra there were posters around and I'm 0:15:40.742 --> 0:15:42.582 sure my electric wasn't the only one. I live in 0:15:42.582 --> 0:15:44.622 a marginal seat in the regions of New South Wales 0:15:45.222 --> 0:15:47.742 Liberal Party posters that were like going woke is sending 0:15:47.822 --> 0:15:50.982 us broke. They were clearly trying to wedge a culture 0:15:51.022 --> 0:15:54.502 war argument that has been working in America and worked 0:15:54.502 --> 0:15:57.662 in various places. But it feels like Australians were like, 0:15:57.862 --> 0:15:59.942 we're not interested in that. Because one of the things 0:15:59.982 --> 0:16:04.502 I find amazing about really decisive election results, it's just 0:16:04.542 --> 0:16:06.742 that idea that all these different people woke up in 0:16:06.782 --> 0:16:09.062 all these different parts of the country in their living room, 0:16:09.062 --> 0:16:10.462 put their song because I want to go to the 0:16:10.502 --> 0:16:14.662 pold and thought the same thing, and they didn't necessarily think, oh, 0:16:14.702 --> 0:16:17.982 We love these guys. They're doing an amazing job. Like 0:16:18.182 --> 0:16:20.862 you know, there's been a lot of obviously disquiet about 0:16:20.862 --> 0:16:23.422 the cost of living and about all kinds of things, 0:16:23.462 --> 0:16:25.582 and from both sides of politics. You know, there are 0:16:25.622 --> 0:16:28.222 plenty of people who don't think labor have differentiated themselves 0:16:28.302 --> 0:16:30.502 enough on environment, on all kinds of issues like that, 0:16:30.782 --> 0:16:33.982 but enough people just went not not what that guy's selling. 0:16:34.622 --> 0:16:37.582 All over the country in all different Democrats didn't make 0:16:37.622 --> 0:16:38.022 it good enough. 0:16:38.862 --> 0:16:42.462 Neither did Trumpet of Patriots. Clive Palmer's party crashed out again, 0:16:42.862 --> 0:16:45.262 like with all that money and all, so did one nation, 0:16:45.702 --> 0:16:47.582 so did one nation, and so did the Greens. No 0:16:47.662 --> 0:16:50.062 seats for the Greens. Adam Bant, the leader could lose 0:16:50.622 --> 0:16:54.382 his seat. The Teals held looks like they'll lose possibly 0:16:54.422 --> 0:16:57.262 lose one in Zoey Daniel and gain one in another seat. 0:16:57.822 --> 0:16:59.542 So there were some upsets. The good news is that 0:16:59.582 --> 0:17:00.502 it was over by eight. 0:17:01.302 --> 0:17:04.342 Sure it was good for those how quickly it was over, 0:17:04.382 --> 0:17:06.782 And I think I agree with you that Dutton. You know, 0:17:06.821 --> 0:17:08.942 there were a few comments about things like hate media, 0:17:08.982 --> 0:17:12.821 which just echoed some trump isms that I think we 0:17:12.862 --> 0:17:13.782 are so sensitive to. 0:17:13.982 --> 0:17:16.061 So it's very centrist, wasn't it in terms of the 0:17:16.742 --> 0:17:19.861 extreme parties on the left and the right. People rejected 0:17:19.901 --> 0:17:23.181 it for being in the center, which is how Australia is. 0:17:23.222 --> 0:17:27.181 And I wonder how much tariffs and some of Trump's 0:17:27.222 --> 0:17:31.381 policies coming into fruition scared people. But I also think 0:17:31.581 --> 0:17:34.982 that there was some foreshadowing about what would happen because 0:17:34.982 --> 0:17:37.101 of what happened in Canada. It's a real reminder of 0:17:37.101 --> 0:17:40.382 how similar we are to Canada, because not only did 0:17:40.422 --> 0:17:42.581 their Left party won the election, I think only a 0:17:42.581 --> 0:17:45.702 week ago, their opposition leader also lost his. 0:17:45.742 --> 0:17:50.341 Seat unexpectedly he was predicted to win, and then Trump 0:17:50.422 --> 0:17:52.262 and all the chaos and everyone went, oh no. 0:17:52.621 --> 0:17:55.941 It feels like the message from Canada and Australia is 0:17:56.141 --> 0:17:59.782 we are not the United States. And I think Australians 0:17:59.821 --> 0:18:00.782 are relieved. 0:18:01.141 --> 0:18:04.382 After the break the story that Australians were really more 0:18:04.422 --> 0:18:07.981 interested in than the election. We're talking, of course about 0:18:08.381 --> 0:18:14.542 Nagi versus books at times. At the end of last week, 0:18:14.581 --> 0:18:17.061 it felt like the big conversation in the country in 0:18:17.182 --> 0:18:20.982 election time was not Dutton or Albow, but was more 0:18:21.061 --> 0:18:24.141 Nagy or Brookie. If you don't know what I'm talking about, 0:18:24.182 --> 0:18:27.742 and I sincerely doubt it. Here's a very top line 0:18:27.742 --> 0:18:30.821 refresher and what happened between two of the biggest names 0:18:30.861 --> 0:18:36.061 in Australian publishing and food last week. Now, I want 0:18:36.061 --> 0:18:37.821 to acknowledge before we get into this that where this 0:18:38.222 --> 0:18:40.861 has gone since the news broke on about Tuesday went 0:18:40.942 --> 0:18:42.421 the last week is it has turned into a bit 0:18:42.462 --> 0:18:44.901 of a toxic internet pylon. We definitely don't want to 0:18:44.942 --> 0:18:47.542 add to that, but it does touch on several big 0:18:47.581 --> 0:18:50.941 themes that are really worth unpacking. I think Nagi Mahashi 0:18:51.101 --> 0:18:53.901 is probably the reason that I and many writers like 0:18:53.982 --> 0:18:56.462 me have a book deal actually, as in that her 0:18:56.502 --> 0:19:01.742 cookbooks as Recipe to Eats are so successful many people 0:19:01.782 --> 0:19:05.462 say that they keep the Australian publishing industry afloat. She's 0:19:05.502 --> 0:19:07.302 not the only one, of course, Brookies books are also 0:19:07.381 --> 0:19:11.861 very successful, and so are several others. Butts is a phenomena. 0:19:11.502 --> 0:19:16.182 And her last book, which was called Tonight, broke industry records. 0:19:16.222 --> 0:19:18.782 It was the talk of the industry because I don't 0:19:18.782 --> 0:19:21.542 think there had ever been a nonfiction book in Australia 0:19:21.581 --> 0:19:22.302 that did what that. 0:19:22.341 --> 0:19:25.341 Yet and the first one Dinner won the Book of 0:19:25.381 --> 0:19:28.141 the Year Award outside Jamie Oliver, like, it's hard to 0:19:28.222 --> 0:19:32.222 overstate how successful Nagi is and how much people love 0:19:32.262 --> 0:19:33.661 her those who don't cook. 0:19:33.901 --> 0:19:34.662 What is special? 0:19:36.942 --> 0:19:39.901 Puts cinnamon on my vegetables and it's really changed my life. 0:19:40.101 --> 0:19:41.422 I think that is her that told me. 0:19:41.381 --> 0:19:43.942 Today be the thing that's great about Nagi. And I've 0:19:43.982 --> 0:19:47.302 recommended her recipes on this show before. It just works. 0:19:47.542 --> 0:19:51.222 So Nagi is known in the food world for being 0:19:51.262 --> 0:19:56.061 a rigorous, rigorous tester. She absolutely walks her talk. She 0:19:56.101 --> 0:19:58.502 doesn't phone anything in. She also has quite a big 0:19:58.542 --> 0:20:00.901 sort of charitable arm to what she does. She provides 0:20:00.942 --> 0:20:05.302 meals to vulnerable and homeless. But her recipes are just solid. 0:20:05.502 --> 0:20:08.782 Her cookbooks are very sensible. They have rules in them 0:20:08.861 --> 0:20:10.862 and they just work. We make lots of Naggi things 0:20:10.942 --> 0:20:11.422 and they go. 0:20:11.462 --> 0:20:13.941