1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:19,473 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast from Mamma Maya. 2 00:00:19,634 --> 00:00:22,194 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 3 00:00:22,274 --> 00:00:24,593 Speaker 2: I'm Cassena La Kitch and I'm Tina Bag. 4 00:00:24,794 --> 00:00:27,394 Speaker 1: We have Tina with us today because Laura, unfortunately is 5 00:00:27,434 --> 00:00:31,514 Speaker 1: still unwell. But today on the show, Ashley Tisdale has 6 00:00:31,674 --> 00:00:34,273 Speaker 1: called out her toxic Mum's group and we have to 7 00:00:34,274 --> 00:00:37,914 Speaker 1: talk about it because it's so juicy and messy and heated. 8 00:00:38,114 --> 00:00:41,193 Speaker 1: Rivalry is the hottest show over the last couple of 9 00:00:41,273 --> 00:00:43,114 Speaker 1: weeks and we're obsessed with it. So we're going to 10 00:00:43,153 --> 00:00:43,673 Speaker 1: talk about that. 11 00:00:43,714 --> 00:00:47,513 Speaker 3: But first first, we have something very exciting to talk about, 12 00:00:47,593 --> 00:00:49,713 Speaker 3: very exciting to me and our producer Minisha, and we'll 13 00:00:49,714 --> 00:00:51,953 Speaker 3: see how many other spills. I have to talk to 14 00:00:51,954 --> 00:00:54,194 Speaker 3: you guys about something that happened yesterday at the Critics 15 00:00:54,273 --> 00:00:57,514 Speaker 3: Choice Awards, which is that The Bold Type, which is 16 00:00:57,714 --> 00:00:59,714 Speaker 3: such a big TV show in my world. Also in 17 00:00:59,754 --> 00:01:02,313 Speaker 3: Laura Brodneck Nisha d one of the stars. She was 18 00:01:02,354 --> 00:01:04,594 Speaker 3: on the Spill at one point. Laura did and No 19 00:01:04,674 --> 00:01:08,314 Speaker 3: Filter with her last year. She's incredible Ozzie actress. We 20 00:01:08,354 --> 00:01:10,234 Speaker 3: love her so much. The other two stars of The 21 00:01:10,234 --> 00:01:13,754 Speaker 3: Bold Type are Katie Stevens and Meghan Fahie. Meghan you 22 00:01:13,754 --> 00:01:17,754 Speaker 3: would know from Like The White Lotus Siirrons. Recently, she's 23 00:01:17,754 --> 00:01:19,474 Speaker 3: also in Rose Burns new movie, which is why she 24 00:01:19,514 --> 00:01:20,834 Speaker 3: was at the Critics' Choice Awards. 25 00:01:20,994 --> 00:01:21,834 Speaker 2: She's a great time. 26 00:01:22,274 --> 00:01:24,514 Speaker 3: So she was on the red carpet and she was 27 00:01:24,514 --> 00:01:27,434 Speaker 3: doing an interview with Refinery twenty nine, and for some 28 00:01:27,514 --> 00:01:30,474 Speaker 3: random reason, she decided to say that she is really 29 00:01:30,514 --> 00:01:33,194 Speaker 3: lobbying for a bold type movie and that she thinks 30 00:01:33,234 --> 00:01:34,714 Speaker 3: about it every day. 31 00:01:34,914 --> 00:01:38,554 Speaker 1: I'm really lobbying for a bold type movie. Every day 32 00:01:38,634 --> 00:01:40,714 Speaker 1: I think about it. We talk about it a lot. 33 00:01:40,874 --> 00:01:42,674 Speaker 3: I just feel like if Sex and the City did it, 34 00:01:42,714 --> 00:01:43,714 Speaker 3: we should be doing it too. 35 00:01:44,394 --> 00:01:45,354 Speaker 1: Putting that out there. 36 00:01:45,474 --> 00:01:46,994 Speaker 3: I could not have been more excited. It was the 37 00:01:47,034 --> 00:01:48,674 Speaker 3: first thing I saw when I woke up. This is 38 00:01:48,714 --> 00:01:50,074 Speaker 3: the news of my life for me. 39 00:01:50,354 --> 00:01:54,234 Speaker 1: Okay, So I haven't watched The Bold Type. Sorry, it's 40 00:01:54,274 --> 00:01:56,314 Speaker 1: on my radar, but I just haven't gotten to the 41 00:01:56,354 --> 00:01:59,794 Speaker 1: point of watching it. However, I do know that it's 42 00:01:59,874 --> 00:02:03,594 Speaker 1: hugely popular. I have heard wonderful things about it. Now 43 00:02:03,634 --> 00:02:06,914 Speaker 1: I know. Katie Stevens actually told people back in August 44 00:02:07,274 --> 00:02:09,793 Speaker 1: in People magazine. Back in August that she was keen 45 00:02:09,834 --> 00:02:11,634 Speaker 1: for it as well. So this is like I feel 46 00:02:11,674 --> 00:02:13,154 Speaker 1: like they're planting seeds for people. 47 00:02:13,394 --> 00:02:14,554 Speaker 2: They're planting little seeds. 48 00:02:14,594 --> 00:02:16,314 Speaker 3: And what Meghan said was that like, if Sex and 49 00:02:16,354 --> 00:02:18,474 Speaker 3: the City got to do like a movie reboots, so 50 00:02:18,514 --> 00:02:21,314 Speaker 3: should the Bold Type. And now the Bold Type to 51 00:02:21,434 --> 00:02:23,754 Speaker 3: a generation of like millennial and maybe gen Z women 52 00:02:23,954 --> 00:02:25,474 Speaker 3: is kind of their Sex and the City. 53 00:02:25,594 --> 00:02:26,514 Speaker 2: Like it was a. 54 00:02:26,474 --> 00:02:29,394 Speaker 3: Trio of friends in New York. They worked in a magazine. 55 00:02:29,434 --> 00:02:30,913 Speaker 3: It was called Scarlet and it was kind of like 56 00:02:30,994 --> 00:02:34,114 Speaker 3: a Cosmo esque magazine, and it's sort of like their friendships, 57 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:37,274 Speaker 3: their relationships, their work lives, and it was kind of 58 00:02:37,354 --> 00:02:39,194 Speaker 3: like the closest thing we had to a Sex and 59 00:02:39,234 --> 00:02:41,874 Speaker 3: the City, Like twenty seventeen when it came out. 60 00:02:41,714 --> 00:02:43,674 Speaker 1: Would you put it in the same genre as Younger? 61 00:02:43,874 --> 00:02:45,994 Speaker 3: Yeah, And they air around a similar time to Younger 62 00:02:46,034 --> 00:02:47,954 Speaker 3: and that was honestly like the prime time and like 63 00:02:47,994 --> 00:02:50,394 Speaker 3: that genre to me is just like millennial optimism. Like 64 00:02:50,434 --> 00:02:54,274 Speaker 3: it's just like Rah Rah band hippie music, and like 65 00:02:54,474 --> 00:02:58,074 Speaker 3: girls say like girl Boss quotes and like their wardrobes 66 00:02:58,114 --> 00:03:00,353 Speaker 3: being really similar, Like they've got that vibe about it. 67 00:03:00,434 --> 00:03:02,354 Speaker 1: Do you know what's quite funny about that though, because 68 00:03:02,554 --> 00:03:04,354 Speaker 1: does it still hold up? Have you watched it recently? 69 00:03:04,634 --> 00:03:06,914 Speaker 3: I did rewatch it recently because we've been recommending it 70 00:03:06,954 --> 00:03:08,434 Speaker 3: to a lot of the girls in the office who've 71 00:03:08,474 --> 00:03:10,353 Speaker 3: never seen it. And I think, if you work in media, 72 00:03:10,554 --> 00:03:12,754 Speaker 3: like this is the show for you. So I rewatched it, 73 00:03:12,794 --> 00:03:15,034 Speaker 3: and I have to caveat that it's a bit cringe, 74 00:03:15,114 --> 00:03:16,353 Speaker 3: but you just embrace the cringe. 75 00:03:16,394 --> 00:03:18,594 Speaker 1: But I think the reason is because I rewatched Younger 76 00:03:18,634 --> 00:03:20,953 Speaker 1: recently and that was super cringe. And I think it's 77 00:03:20,954 --> 00:03:24,073 Speaker 1: because millennials now aren't the young, hot, up and coming 78 00:03:24,114 --> 00:03:26,474 Speaker 1: generation anymore, Like we're old now. 79 00:03:26,594 --> 00:03:27,914 Speaker 2: It's so earnest as well. 80 00:03:28,114 --> 00:03:31,634 Speaker 1: Yes, it's like, oh millennial, the magazine is this is 81 00:03:31,634 --> 00:03:33,874 Speaker 1: why we're so cool and that we're not anymore. 82 00:03:33,954 --> 00:03:36,714 Speaker 3: No, we're not, And like it's so starkly different to 83 00:03:36,834 --> 00:03:39,154 Speaker 3: like obviously like another millennial show Girls, But a lot 84 00:03:39,194 --> 00:03:41,154 Speaker 3: of gen Z shows are leaning towards that kind of 85 00:03:41,154 --> 00:03:43,674 Speaker 3: girls type of content. Now, where is these shows the 86 00:03:43,674 --> 00:03:45,594 Speaker 3: bold type Younger like they were just so earnest and 87 00:03:45,634 --> 00:03:48,074 Speaker 3: wholesome and like uplifting and like my friends and I 88 00:03:48,074 --> 00:03:49,874 Speaker 3: who were worked in magazines at the time when it 89 00:03:49,914 --> 00:03:51,594 Speaker 3: came out. If we wanted to be like a bit 90 00:03:51,634 --> 00:03:54,154 Speaker 3: whimsical for the day or like wear a nice outfit 91 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:56,274 Speaker 3: or go to an event, we'd call it bold typing. Yeah, 92 00:03:56,394 --> 00:03:58,074 Speaker 3: we'd be we're going to bold type today, like we're 93 00:03:58,074 --> 00:04:00,474 Speaker 3: gonna go out and like live alive, Girl bus girl bars, 94 00:04:00,514 --> 00:04:02,794 Speaker 3: And it just had that vibe which was so ridiculous. 95 00:04:02,834 --> 00:04:04,154 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, those three. 96 00:04:03,994 --> 00:04:06,834 Speaker 3: Women have remained really really good friends. And the show 97 00:04:06,954 --> 00:04:09,354 Speaker 3: end did in like the early twenty twenties. They had 98 00:04:09,394 --> 00:04:11,394 Speaker 3: a little production break because of COVID and then they 99 00:04:11,394 --> 00:04:12,954 Speaker 3: came and wrapped it up, but it was a little 100 00:04:12,954 --> 00:04:14,434 Speaker 3: bit short, rapped nicely. 101 00:04:14,674 --> 00:04:15,634 Speaker 2: You could leave it there. 102 00:04:15,954 --> 00:04:18,194 Speaker 3: But all three actresses are really good friends. They're all 103 00:04:18,234 --> 00:04:20,553 Speaker 3: still starring in really great stuff like Asha was in 104 00:04:20,553 --> 00:04:23,594 Speaker 3: Apple Sight of Vinegar on Netflix last year. Megan's career 105 00:04:23,633 --> 00:04:26,193 Speaker 3: has taken off, Katie's in a show called Providence Falls, 106 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:28,113 Speaker 3: so like they're all still doing well. But I think 107 00:04:28,113 --> 00:04:31,073 Speaker 3: because their friendship has lasted, like you rarely see that 108 00:04:31,113 --> 00:04:33,033 Speaker 3: with shows now where they are still best friends in 109 00:04:33,073 --> 00:04:34,714 Speaker 3: real life. So I think a lot of fans would 110 00:04:34,753 --> 00:04:37,034 Speaker 3: just die to see them reunite on screen and bring 111 00:04:37,073 --> 00:04:38,033 Speaker 3: these girls back to life. 112 00:04:38,073 --> 00:04:40,234 Speaker 1: It sounds like there's an appetite there and maybe they 113 00:04:40,274 --> 00:04:42,393 Speaker 1: can kind of lessen some of the cringe and we 114 00:04:42,474 --> 00:04:44,473 Speaker 1: can millennials could be cool again. 115 00:04:44,594 --> 00:04:47,113 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can be like cool adult millennial versions of themselves. 116 00:04:47,113 --> 00:04:48,794 Speaker 2: I'd love to see that, Nana. 117 00:04:49,794 --> 00:04:54,193 Speaker 1: There is a show that has been overtaking my feed 118 00:04:54,274 --> 00:04:58,594 Speaker 1: at the moment and it is called Heated Rivalry. Now, Tina, 119 00:04:58,674 --> 00:05:00,234 Speaker 1: I know that you are a big, big fan of this. 120 00:05:00,354 --> 00:05:03,594 Speaker 1: I'm only about halfway through the season, so I want 121 00:05:03,953 --> 00:05:07,473 Speaker 1: to tell everyone about this show because it's incredible, But 122 00:05:07,513 --> 00:05:08,873 Speaker 1: I think you need to give us like the tail 123 00:05:08,953 --> 00:05:09,834 Speaker 1: dr Yes. 124 00:05:10,073 --> 00:05:13,193 Speaker 3: So I am like a woman completely bewitched by this show. 125 00:05:13,513 --> 00:05:15,513 Speaker 3: Over the Christmas brag. If I wasn't talking about it, 126 00:05:15,553 --> 00:05:17,553 Speaker 3: I was listening to the soundtrack. I was sending people 127 00:05:17,633 --> 00:05:20,193 Speaker 3: memes and tiktoks. I have been taking like a really 128 00:05:20,234 --> 00:05:23,393 Speaker 3: grassroots approach to spreading the law of this show. It 129 00:05:23,393 --> 00:05:25,274 Speaker 3: doesn't need my help. Millions of people around the world 130 00:05:25,274 --> 00:05:27,313 Speaker 3: are watching it. But I have been shorter text like 131 00:05:27,354 --> 00:05:29,594 Speaker 3: every single friend I have individually and be like, are 132 00:05:29,633 --> 00:05:32,074 Speaker 3: you watching this show? Okay, great, here's fifty edits for 133 00:05:32,113 --> 00:05:34,433 Speaker 3: you to enjoy it. I love it so bloody much. 134 00:05:34,873 --> 00:05:38,473 Speaker 3: It's captivated me. But the show, for those who don't know, 135 00:05:38,794 --> 00:05:41,154 Speaker 3: is airing on HBO Max in Australia. It's actually a 136 00:05:41,154 --> 00:05:44,153 Speaker 3: Crave original which is like a Canadian production company, but 137 00:05:44,193 --> 00:05:46,794 Speaker 3: it's airing on HBO Max. It is based on a 138 00:05:46,794 --> 00:05:49,753 Speaker 3: gay hockey romance series by Rachel Reid. So there are 139 00:05:49,794 --> 00:05:52,153 Speaker 3: six books in her series and they each kind of 140 00:05:52,193 --> 00:05:56,394 Speaker 3: center on like a new duo who are falling in love. However, 141 00:05:56,433 --> 00:05:58,594 Speaker 3: all of the characters kind of like carry through and 142 00:05:58,674 --> 00:06:01,634 Speaker 3: they intertwine and all of that. So for the TV show, 143 00:06:01,674 --> 00:06:04,954 Speaker 3: they've decided to focus on Ilia Rosanoff, which is played 144 00:06:04,953 --> 00:06:07,514 Speaker 3: by Connor's Story, who is just the dreamiest dream break 145 00:06:07,513 --> 00:06:10,594 Speaker 3: you've ever seen, and Shane Hollander, who's played by Hudson Williams, 146 00:06:10,633 --> 00:06:13,234 Speaker 3: also the dreamiert dreamboat you have ever seen in your life. 147 00:06:13,433 --> 00:06:14,514 Speaker 2: And the story goes. 148 00:06:14,274 --> 00:06:17,593 Speaker 3: That Ilia and Hudson are like young hockey prodigies. They 149 00:06:17,633 --> 00:06:19,914 Speaker 3: meet sort of in the season before they get drafted 150 00:06:19,914 --> 00:06:21,393 Speaker 3: to the major league. 151 00:06:21,474 --> 00:06:22,354 Speaker 2: They have a. 152 00:06:22,274 --> 00:06:24,433 Speaker 3: Little romance, they start to feel out that they might 153 00:06:24,474 --> 00:06:27,753 Speaker 3: be interested in each other. Some things happen, some kisses potentially, 154 00:06:28,274 --> 00:06:30,433 Speaker 3: and then they get signed to professional hockey teams. So 155 00:06:30,633 --> 00:06:33,673 Speaker 3: Shane plays for the Montreal Metros fictional team, and Ilia 156 00:06:33,753 --> 00:06:36,514 Speaker 3: Rosanov plays for the Boston Raiders, also a fictional team. 157 00:06:36,553 --> 00:06:38,953 Speaker 3: This is essentially like what if we just did the NHL, 158 00:06:39,113 --> 00:06:41,394 Speaker 3: the National Hockey League in the US and Canada, and 159 00:06:41,433 --> 00:06:44,473 Speaker 3: just like pretended it wasn't that for legal reasons. So 160 00:06:44,594 --> 00:06:47,233 Speaker 3: these two boys basically enter into like a decade long 161 00:06:47,674 --> 00:06:50,433 Speaker 3: situation ship which sounds like a nightmare, but it is 162 00:06:50,433 --> 00:06:54,433 Speaker 3: actually filled with like steamy sex scenes and deeply romantic 163 00:06:54,553 --> 00:06:57,674 Speaker 3: yearning and text exchanges and like staring at each other 164 00:06:57,714 --> 00:07:01,553 Speaker 3: across clubs and romantic declarations. And so the series sort 165 00:07:01,553 --> 00:07:04,354 Speaker 3: of like charts this story while also introducing us to 166 00:07:04,393 --> 00:07:06,993 Speaker 3: a couple of the other key players from the other books, 167 00:07:06,993 --> 00:07:09,994 Speaker 3: but it's mostly focused on Ilia and Shane, our two beauties. 168 00:07:10,074 --> 00:07:13,154 Speaker 1: So this series has really it's kind of come out 169 00:07:13,154 --> 00:07:16,033 Speaker 1: of nowhere. It was very cheaply made, It wasn't a 170 00:07:16,034 --> 00:07:20,834 Speaker 1: big budget production. We have two unknown, relative unknown actors 171 00:07:20,834 --> 00:07:23,154 Speaker 1: in the lead roles, and so it kind of came 172 00:07:23,194 --> 00:07:26,274 Speaker 1: out towards the end of last year in Canada and 173 00:07:26,314 --> 00:07:28,874 Speaker 1: the state. We've got it here now. All the episodes 174 00:07:28,914 --> 00:07:32,154 Speaker 1: are out but this is just it has been such 175 00:07:32,154 --> 00:07:35,314 Speaker 1: a runaway hit, and I feel like we've got a 176 00:07:35,314 --> 00:07:37,954 Speaker 1: couple of like theories as to why that is. Because 177 00:07:37,994 --> 00:07:40,354 Speaker 1: if you think about the premise of it a gay 178 00:07:40,434 --> 00:07:44,514 Speaker 1: hockey love story, hockey could not care less, don't care 179 00:07:44,514 --> 00:07:46,713 Speaker 1: about hockey. Never seen a game in my life, I 180 00:07:46,754 --> 00:07:47,593 Speaker 1: don't know how to skate. 181 00:07:47,714 --> 00:07:49,154 Speaker 3: And I think that put a lot of people off 182 00:07:49,154 --> 00:07:51,994 Speaker 3: at first, because they've really thought the hockey was like 183 00:07:51,994 --> 00:07:53,954 Speaker 3: a much bigger part of this story. It's not if 184 00:07:53,994 --> 00:07:55,794 Speaker 3: you like hockey, great, if you don't, it doesn't matter. 185 00:07:55,953 --> 00:07:59,634 Speaker 1: It's completely not part of the story in an important way. 186 00:08:00,354 --> 00:08:04,274 Speaker 1: But these two are so hot and literally first episode 187 00:08:04,674 --> 00:08:06,914 Speaker 1: I'm not going to spoil it, but first episode it 188 00:08:06,953 --> 00:08:11,833 Speaker 1: is so steamy, probably the most steamy, saucy sex scenes 189 00:08:11,914 --> 00:08:15,593 Speaker 1: I have ever seen in a production. Yeah, and it's 190 00:08:15,714 --> 00:08:17,234 Speaker 1: very like Clutch My Pearls. 191 00:08:17,393 --> 00:08:19,234 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's like one of the first 192 00:08:19,274 --> 00:08:22,234 Speaker 3: adaptations of sort of a smutty romantic book that I've 193 00:08:22,274 --> 00:08:24,674 Speaker 3: seen where they've actually like gone hell for leather on 194 00:08:24,714 --> 00:08:27,474 Speaker 3: the sex scenes. They're also quite romantic throughout the series, 195 00:08:27,594 --> 00:08:29,714 Speaker 3: Like it's not all just like also sexy. There's a 196 00:08:29,714 --> 00:08:32,674 Speaker 3: lot of romance too, but they've actually really committed to 197 00:08:32,794 --> 00:08:36,034 Speaker 3: bringing the page to the screen, and that doesn't always 198 00:08:36,114 --> 00:08:38,234 Speaker 3: happen with romance adaptations. 199 00:08:38,314 --> 00:08:38,914 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I. 200 00:08:38,834 --> 00:08:40,514 Speaker 3: Feel like that's also a big part of why this 201 00:08:40,554 --> 00:08:43,154 Speaker 3: has been so successful is it's part of that sort 202 00:08:43,194 --> 00:08:46,554 Speaker 3: of new wave of romcom formula where they're doing a 203 00:08:46,554 --> 00:08:49,474 Speaker 3: book that's been really big across fandoms and has an 204 00:08:49,514 --> 00:08:52,714 Speaker 3: inbuilt audience, like maybe it's on book talk, maybe it's 205 00:08:52,754 --> 00:08:54,594 Speaker 3: like in book clubs with mums around the country. That's 206 00:08:54,594 --> 00:08:57,394 Speaker 3: where Reese Witherspoon found her niche for her adaptations. But 207 00:08:57,434 --> 00:08:59,514 Speaker 3: it means you've got like an inbuilt audience. And so 208 00:08:59,634 --> 00:09:01,514 Speaker 3: when this was announced, fans were like, oh my god, 209 00:09:01,594 --> 00:09:03,554 Speaker 3: So I knew about this before it aired, only because 210 00:09:03,634 --> 00:09:06,114 Speaker 3: I'm in those spaces where people are like, this book 211 00:09:06,114 --> 00:09:09,074 Speaker 3: I love is getting adapted, So you've got that already. 212 00:09:09,394 --> 00:09:11,114 Speaker 3: Then you lean into the fact that you cast these 213 00:09:11,194 --> 00:09:13,514 Speaker 3: unknown actors. So the two actors had like I think 214 00:09:13,634 --> 00:09:16,074 Speaker 3: Connor had like five thousand or seven thousand followers on 215 00:09:16,114 --> 00:09:18,194 Speaker 3: Instagram when the show started and had been working as 216 00:09:18,194 --> 00:09:20,794 Speaker 3: a model and an actor for years. I think Hudson 217 00:09:20,834 --> 00:09:23,474 Speaker 3: had like also a few thousand. Also an actor. He 218 00:09:23,674 --> 00:09:25,514 Speaker 3: was in a Hallmark movie like This Year where he 219 00:09:25,554 --> 00:09:27,874 Speaker 3: has one line that was his other big credit of 220 00:09:27,914 --> 00:09:28,274 Speaker 3: the years. 221 00:09:28,314 --> 00:09:29,314 Speaker 2: So it's like they. 222 00:09:29,154 --> 00:09:31,554 Speaker 3: Were not known people, and what you can do with 223 00:09:31,634 --> 00:09:34,434 Speaker 3: that is really really see them as these characters. I 224 00:09:34,434 --> 00:09:36,594 Speaker 3: had so many people message me and go, wait, Illi 225 00:09:36,754 --> 00:09:38,834 Speaker 3: is not Russian in real life because you didn't know 226 00:09:38,834 --> 00:09:40,194 Speaker 3: who they were, so you fall in love with them 227 00:09:40,234 --> 00:09:42,554 Speaker 3: as these characters. And then you add on top of that, 228 00:09:42,634 --> 00:09:45,034 Speaker 3: just like a banging soundtrack that lends itself really well 229 00:09:45,074 --> 00:09:49,154 Speaker 3: to edits to Spotify playlist, to like singing along in 230 00:09:49,194 --> 00:09:51,194 Speaker 3: the shower, and you have that sort of like perfect 231 00:09:51,274 --> 00:09:53,034 Speaker 3: recipe for a viral hit. 232 00:09:53,234 --> 00:09:56,114 Speaker 1: And it's been really interesting because people are very confused 233 00:09:56,114 --> 00:09:58,754 Speaker 1: about the fact that this show is very very popular 234 00:09:58,834 --> 00:10:02,434 Speaker 1: with women, very popular with women. People like what and 235 00:10:02,914 --> 00:10:05,074 Speaker 1: Hudson Williams has said he did an interview and he 236 00:10:05,074 --> 00:10:08,074 Speaker 1: said women, but really everyone is really tough of emotionally 237 00:10:08,114 --> 00:10:10,754 Speaker 1: unavailable men. And to see people open up in that 238 00:10:10,794 --> 00:10:12,994 Speaker 1: way and characters show up in that way on TV 239 00:10:13,194 --> 00:10:15,434 Speaker 1: is a rarity. And I think we're ready for it, 240 00:10:15,474 --> 00:10:17,874 Speaker 1: and I love that. I think that that's such a 241 00:10:17,914 --> 00:10:21,034 Speaker 1: big part of it. It's not necessarily about they're a 242 00:10:21,074 --> 00:10:25,634 Speaker 1: same sex couple. It's the romance, it's the openness of 243 00:10:25,714 --> 00:10:28,754 Speaker 1: these characters. And something that I think is really really 244 00:10:28,834 --> 00:10:31,514 Speaker 1: key here is that the power dynamic between the two 245 00:10:31,714 --> 00:10:34,834 Speaker 1: is on equal footing. Think about fifty Shades of Gray 246 00:10:34,874 --> 00:10:38,874 Speaker 1: for example, that power dynamic. There is such a huge 247 00:10:38,914 --> 00:10:42,674 Speaker 1: disparity between the two this the two of them. While 248 00:10:42,674 --> 00:10:46,474 Speaker 1: Ilia still is a little bit more powerful in terms 249 00:10:46,514 --> 00:10:50,674 Speaker 1: of his forwardness in his sexuality, but as a general rule, 250 00:10:50,674 --> 00:10:53,474 Speaker 1: the two of them are on equal footing. They're both successful, 251 00:10:53,514 --> 00:10:56,514 Speaker 1: they're both talented, they're both hiding this part of their 252 00:10:56,514 --> 00:11:00,554 Speaker 1: sexuality from the rest of their teammates, and it is 253 00:11:00,674 --> 00:11:01,833 Speaker 1: so titillating. 254 00:11:02,114 --> 00:11:04,394 Speaker 3: Yeah, it got a little bit of backlash the sort 255 00:11:04,434 --> 00:11:06,714 Speaker 3: of how he said it, but I completely saw what 256 00:11:06,794 --> 00:11:08,994 Speaker 3: he was going for. But the creator, Jacob Tiney sort 257 00:11:08,994 --> 00:11:11,074 Speaker 3: of touched on that and said that, like, the reason 258 00:11:11,074 --> 00:11:13,794 Speaker 3: that a lot of straight women might like this series 259 00:11:13,874 --> 00:11:15,954 Speaker 3: is what you're saying of seeing these two people who 260 00:11:15,954 --> 00:11:19,274 Speaker 3: are both in the same sort of circumstance in society, 261 00:11:19,514 --> 00:11:23,194 Speaker 3: like men and women have different dynamics in straight relationships, 262 00:11:23,234 --> 00:11:25,234 Speaker 3: Like it's just not vis fact of the world that 263 00:11:25,274 --> 00:11:27,834 Speaker 3: we live in so women are concerned about things like 264 00:11:28,194 --> 00:11:31,354 Speaker 3: danger in relationships or like being seen as less than 265 00:11:31,394 --> 00:11:33,194 Speaker 3: the men that they're with. Whereas you take two men 266 00:11:33,194 --> 00:11:35,354 Speaker 3: and you put them in a relationship, they face a 267 00:11:35,354 --> 00:11:37,794 Speaker 3: lot of similar obstacles. Obviously, this is very different as well, 268 00:11:37,794 --> 00:11:40,674 Speaker 3: because you're talking about two closeted gay players in a 269 00:11:40,754 --> 00:11:43,114 Speaker 3: league that is probably not going to be okay with that. 270 00:11:43,114 --> 00:11:45,354 Speaker 2: That's a part of their story. But it's really. 271 00:11:45,154 --> 00:11:48,034 Speaker 3: Interesting that so many straight women have loved this series, 272 00:11:48,314 --> 00:11:50,114 Speaker 3: and I do think it partly comes down to the 273 00:11:50,114 --> 00:11:52,594 Speaker 3: fact that so much romance content is made for straight women, 274 00:11:52,914 --> 00:11:55,634 Speaker 3: so many romance novels, so many rom coms, Like the 275 00:11:55,674 --> 00:11:58,714 Speaker 3: main audience of a lot of that content is straight 276 00:11:58,714 --> 00:12:01,074 Speaker 3: women because it's made for straight women. But then outside 277 00:12:01,114 --> 00:12:03,394 Speaker 3: of that, Hudson Williams has also spoken, I think in 278 00:12:03,434 --> 00:12:05,314 Speaker 3: the same interview as Connor, he was saying, you know, 279 00:12:05,554 --> 00:12:08,394 Speaker 3: this isn't just straight who are watching it. It's also 280 00:12:08,634 --> 00:12:10,754 Speaker 3: queer women, it's also trans women. A lot of women 281 00:12:10,754 --> 00:12:12,874 Speaker 3: are loving this because it's also just seeing that portrayal 282 00:12:12,954 --> 00:12:15,834 Speaker 3: of like a soft love, a yearning love, that sort 283 00:12:15,834 --> 00:12:18,354 Speaker 3: of romance that we don't see in the real world. 284 00:12:19,154 --> 00:12:22,234 Speaker 3: It's like Bridgitton where Bridgeston' is not realistic to the 285 00:12:22,274 --> 00:12:24,594 Speaker 3: time period, but it's so nice to see Oh my god, 286 00:12:24,594 --> 00:12:27,154 Speaker 3: that man he just loves that girl so damn much. 287 00:12:27,194 --> 00:12:29,954 Speaker 3: It's nice to see someone loving someone this intensely and 288 00:12:29,994 --> 00:12:31,194 Speaker 3: having this kind of romance. 289 00:12:31,394 --> 00:12:34,874 Speaker 1: There's been this trend on TikTok about men going, oh, 290 00:12:34,914 --> 00:12:38,994 Speaker 1: what is the female equivalent to Megan Fox in Transformers 291 00:12:39,034 --> 00:12:41,034 Speaker 1: opening the hood of the car? Like do do you 292 00:12:41,034 --> 00:12:43,074 Speaker 1: know that scene? You know what I'm talking about? So 293 00:12:43,394 --> 00:12:45,674 Speaker 1: that is like that was like the pinnacle of hot 294 00:12:45,754 --> 00:12:48,914 Speaker 1: for men, you know, and men are like, oh, okay, 295 00:12:48,954 --> 00:12:52,034 Speaker 1: so the female equivalent must be like a really buff man, 296 00:12:52,114 --> 00:12:54,994 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, no, the female equivalent the female 297 00:12:55,034 --> 00:12:59,274 Speaker 1: gaze is stolen looks. It's passion. It's a little hand touch, 298 00:12:59,514 --> 00:13:04,194 Speaker 1: genuine connection. It's those little looks and those like the 299 00:13:04,234 --> 00:13:06,354 Speaker 1: foot the foot under the table thing in like the 300 00:13:06,354 --> 00:13:10,794 Speaker 1: first episode. Yeah, oh my god, yeah so sexy. 301 00:13:11,034 --> 00:13:13,994 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think again to expose myself. I'm in 302 00:13:14,034 --> 00:13:16,194 Speaker 3: the TikTok forums and the Reddit forums. I'm all the 303 00:13:16,194 --> 00:13:18,194 Speaker 3: way in there. But those are the things making the edits. 304 00:13:18,234 --> 00:13:20,914 Speaker 3: It's like the little feet touches, the little glances of 305 00:13:20,954 --> 00:13:23,314 Speaker 3: the eyes, like they've really done an amazing job of 306 00:13:23,394 --> 00:13:26,354 Speaker 3: portraying that sort of yearning and also just like a 307 00:13:26,434 --> 00:13:29,074 Speaker 3: different kind of gay love story, Like it's just nice 308 00:13:29,114 --> 00:13:31,874 Speaker 3: to see. I guess in this current moment in Hollywood, 309 00:13:31,914 --> 00:13:33,953 Speaker 3: more and more gay love stories still making their way 310 00:13:33,954 --> 00:13:35,834 Speaker 3: to the screen. And at the end of the day, 311 00:13:35,914 --> 00:13:37,794 Speaker 3: like while there's been a lot of discussion about like 312 00:13:37,914 --> 00:13:41,314 Speaker 3: this particular show and the relationship that it's portraying, there 313 00:13:41,314 --> 00:13:45,074 Speaker 3: are so many gay creatives, journalists like podcast hosts who 314 00:13:45,114 --> 00:13:47,394 Speaker 3: have had the boys on, who have interviewed them, who 315 00:13:47,474 --> 00:13:49,754 Speaker 3: have just been on TikTok on Instagram speaking about how 316 00:13:49,834 --> 00:13:51,714 Speaker 3: much they love the show. It's just a really nice, 317 00:13:51,754 --> 00:13:55,794 Speaker 3: also beautiful representation as well of a beautiful queer love story, 318 00:13:55,794 --> 00:13:58,034 Speaker 3: Like it's nice. It's nice that the storyline is two 319 00:13:58,034 --> 00:14:00,834 Speaker 3: people falling in love and that is the central thing 320 00:14:00,874 --> 00:14:01,634 Speaker 3: holding it together. 321 00:14:01,874 --> 00:14:04,874 Speaker 1: It's been so interesting since Barbie because I feel like 322 00:14:05,154 --> 00:14:08,114 Speaker 1: it's like Hollywood is finally realizing that women will actually 323 00:14:08,114 --> 00:14:10,874 Speaker 1: pay money and they will bring in dollars at the 324 00:14:10,914 --> 00:14:13,874 Speaker 1: box office. Because if you think about Hollywood execs, it's 325 00:14:13,874 --> 00:14:17,874 Speaker 1: going to be primarily men and straight men at the top. 326 00:14:17,914 --> 00:14:21,074 Speaker 1: Of these organizations who are making these decisions. So as 327 00:14:21,074 --> 00:14:24,994 Speaker 1: a result, they're kind of taking control of what we watch. Yeah, 328 00:14:25,154 --> 00:14:28,114 Speaker 1: so it's like it's not for you, but realize that 329 00:14:28,154 --> 00:14:30,434 Speaker 1: there is a market for that. And this is such 330 00:14:30,434 --> 00:14:32,354 Speaker 1: a great example of this. Again. 331 00:14:32,794 --> 00:14:35,274 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of content decisions in Hollywood are obviously 332 00:14:35,274 --> 00:14:37,914 Speaker 3: made by straight men off and straight white men. And 333 00:14:37,994 --> 00:14:39,954 Speaker 3: so the more that we can sort of champion these 334 00:14:39,994 --> 00:14:42,834 Speaker 3: stories and build them up when they're told from other perspectives, 335 00:14:42,874 --> 00:14:45,474 Speaker 3: whether that's by straight women, by gay men, by all 336 00:14:45,474 --> 00:14:48,194 Speaker 3: different types of people, it gives us more variety. And 337 00:14:48,234 --> 00:14:50,194 Speaker 3: also it's what we want to see. The crowds are there, 338 00:14:50,194 --> 00:14:52,874 Speaker 3: The millions of people watching are there. And obviously, as 339 00:14:52,874 --> 00:14:55,154 Speaker 3: I said before, like this show is airing on HBO 340 00:14:55,194 --> 00:14:57,394 Speaker 3: Max kind of globally, but it wasn't made by them, 341 00:14:57,474 --> 00:14:59,874 Speaker 3: And HBO exec Casey Boyce said, like, we're going to 342 00:14:59,954 --> 00:15:02,314 Speaker 3: stay out of it because that's the concern that people have. 343 00:15:02,394 --> 00:15:04,794 Speaker 3: This has been renewed for a second season. This show 344 00:15:04,914 --> 00:15:07,274 Speaker 3: was made with like five dollars thirty six days and 345 00:15:07,314 --> 00:15:09,314 Speaker 3: like a dream and a twinkle in someone's eye, like 346 00:15:09,354 --> 00:15:10,954 Speaker 3: they had nothing. If you get into the show and 347 00:15:10,994 --> 00:15:12,634 Speaker 3: you want to go watch behind the scenes footage, like 348 00:15:13,194 --> 00:15:15,154 Speaker 3: it's a miracle this show looks as good as it does. 349 00:15:15,194 --> 00:15:17,914 Speaker 3: They really did amazing work with what they had. But 350 00:15:18,034 --> 00:15:19,594 Speaker 3: Casey was like, we're staying out of it. We're gonna 351 00:15:19,594 --> 00:15:21,354 Speaker 3: get away from it. Love and we need that more. 352 00:15:21,434 --> 00:15:23,554 Speaker 3: Like Reese Witherspoon was saying it over the summer, she 353 00:15:23,634 --> 00:15:26,154 Speaker 3: was like, let us see romance on screens, Like people 354 00:15:26,194 --> 00:15:28,234 Speaker 3: are yearning for it. They want to spend the money 355 00:15:28,234 --> 00:15:29,914 Speaker 3: and go to the cinema, they want to get a 356 00:15:30,074 --> 00:15:31,834 Speaker 3: HBO Mac subscription to watch the show. 357 00:15:32,074 --> 00:15:34,274 Speaker 2: Just give us more. Yeah, and it's really. 358 00:15:34,034 --> 00:15:36,074 Speaker 3: Interesting like as well with how much it's taken off, 359 00:15:36,154 --> 00:15:39,634 Speaker 3: like they committed to it, the cast, the actors, everyone involved. 360 00:15:39,714 --> 00:15:40,954 Speaker 2: I work in social media. 361 00:15:40,994 --> 00:15:43,994 Speaker 3: Whoever was their social editor on that set was like 362 00:15:44,074 --> 00:15:46,994 Speaker 3: running it like the Navy. There has been a new edit, 363 00:15:47,074 --> 00:15:49,674 Speaker 3: a new photo shoot, a new something dropping every single day. 364 00:15:49,714 --> 00:15:52,074 Speaker 3: They're doing interviews, that are doing podcasts. They're really pushing 365 00:15:52,114 --> 00:15:53,674 Speaker 3: it out there to the point that yeah, now they 366 00:15:53,674 --> 00:15:55,914 Speaker 3: both have a million followers and a global smash hit. 367 00:15:56,194 --> 00:15:58,754 Speaker 3: But they really backed themselves on it too, because they 368 00:15:58,794 --> 00:16:01,114 Speaker 3: know they have been in every interview saying we knew 369 00:16:01,114 --> 00:16:02,874 Speaker 3: this would have an audience. We know people want this 370 00:16:02,954 --> 00:16:03,834 Speaker 3: content and. 371 00:16:03,834 --> 00:16:08,554 Speaker 1: It's so good. Yeah, it's so so if you haven't 372 00:16:08,594 --> 00:16:11,474 Speaker 1: seen Heated Rivalry yet, I hope that this kind of 373 00:16:11,834 --> 00:16:14,794 Speaker 1: encouraged you to. It's available on HBO Max now. All 374 00:16:14,794 --> 00:16:17,314 Speaker 1: six episodes are out. They're about an hour each, so 375 00:16:17,354 --> 00:16:19,634 Speaker 1: they're like nice and juicy. This is a really good 376 00:16:19,634 --> 00:16:20,874 Speaker 1: one to get your teeth into. 377 00:16:21,154 --> 00:16:23,954 Speaker 2: Yes, it's amazing. I hope you will watch it and 378 00:16:23,954 --> 00:16:24,354 Speaker 2: then we can. 379 00:16:24,234 --> 00:16:27,794 Speaker 3: Talk about it more on the Spella Nana. So something 380 00:16:27,834 --> 00:16:29,994 Speaker 3: else that we have to talk about today is an 381 00:16:30,114 --> 00:16:33,634 Speaker 3: essay that dropped on the cut that had almost like 382 00:16:33,674 --> 00:16:35,394 Speaker 3: I guess every single person that mum and we are 383 00:16:35,394 --> 00:16:37,514 Speaker 3: talking this morning. It had the group chats going. I'm 384 00:16:37,554 --> 00:16:39,914 Speaker 3: sure there were many a mum group chat that were 385 00:16:40,314 --> 00:16:43,594 Speaker 3: heating up over this this morning. It is the article 386 00:16:43,674 --> 00:16:47,514 Speaker 3: by Ashley Tisdale about the breakup of her mum friendship group. 387 00:16:47,714 --> 00:16:52,034 Speaker 1: This article is so piping hot. I've been down a 388 00:16:52,034 --> 00:16:55,034 Speaker 1: massive rabbit hole going through all of this. So basically 389 00:16:55,074 --> 00:16:58,474 Speaker 1: this article, she is comparing a mum's group that she 390 00:16:58,554 --> 00:17:00,434 Speaker 1: was a part of when her first child was little, 391 00:17:00,674 --> 00:17:03,234 Speaker 1: that she had back in the pandemic. She's comparing this 392 00:17:03,274 --> 00:17:04,954 Speaker 1: particular mum's group to. 393 00:17:05,154 --> 00:17:08,033 Speaker 3: High school, which is apt because famous for being in 394 00:17:08,074 --> 00:17:10,553 Speaker 3: high school musical. So like, if anyone's qualified to talk 395 00:17:10,594 --> 00:17:12,954 Speaker 3: about a high school experience, it's actually dissol sharp. 396 00:17:12,994 --> 00:17:16,834 Speaker 1: Hay is back, yes, and she's got the cut. She's 397 00:17:16,874 --> 00:17:19,234 Speaker 1: got it okay. So this is the one paragraph that 398 00:17:19,314 --> 00:17:22,474 Speaker 1: really really struck me. Lately, I've been thinking about how 399 00:17:22,514 --> 00:17:25,114 Speaker 1: being a new mum has emotional echoes of high school. 400 00:17:25,274 --> 00:17:27,394 Speaker 1: It's an exciting time for discovery and growth, but it's 401 00:17:27,434 --> 00:17:30,474 Speaker 1: also a time of feeling vulnerable and unsure. You're thrust 402 00:17:30,514 --> 00:17:33,554 Speaker 1: into new situations with new people, wondering if they could 403 00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:35,394 Speaker 1: be the friend who can walk beside you in this 404 00:17:35,514 --> 00:17:37,394 Speaker 1: new time in your life, and there's no way to 405 00:17:37,394 --> 00:17:39,434 Speaker 1: know for sure unless you really put yourself out there. 406 00:17:39,834 --> 00:17:42,513 Speaker 1: And in both cases your hormones are all over the place. 407 00:17:43,434 --> 00:17:44,234 Speaker 1: I actually think that. 408 00:17:44,114 --> 00:17:45,754 Speaker 2: That's very apt and fair. 409 00:17:45,834 --> 00:17:49,234 Speaker 1: That is super fair. So basically, she's talking about she 410 00:17:49,594 --> 00:17:52,154 Speaker 1: was feeling excluded in this ms mum group. She was 411 00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:54,354 Speaker 1: seeing that they were going and doing trips without her, 412 00:17:54,754 --> 00:17:57,353 Speaker 1: she felt like they were making plans without her, And 413 00:17:57,434 --> 00:17:59,834 Speaker 1: eventually she basically goes into the mums group and says, 414 00:18:00,314 --> 00:18:02,274 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I like this anymore. This isn't 415 00:18:02,274 --> 00:18:05,074 Speaker 1: healthy for me. I'm leaving. That is basically what the 416 00:18:05,194 --> 00:18:08,994 Speaker 1: article is about. Yep, and people are so into this 417 00:18:09,354 --> 00:18:14,194 Speaker 1: is because while she didn't mention any names, specifically internet 418 00:18:14,274 --> 00:18:18,274 Speaker 1: sleuths and basically anybody with an Instagram account has been 419 00:18:18,274 --> 00:18:20,194 Speaker 1: able to go back and see that she was a 420 00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:24,954 Speaker 1: part of a celebrity mum group that also included Hillary Duff, 421 00:18:25,434 --> 00:18:29,034 Speaker 1: Mandy Moore and Megan Trainer and Liam michel I. 422 00:18:28,954 --> 00:18:30,073 Speaker 2: Think that's so juicy. 423 00:18:30,234 --> 00:18:32,314 Speaker 3: It's like a Hollywood Who's who of a guess b 424 00:18:32,434 --> 00:18:33,714 Speaker 3: list them all. 425 00:18:33,754 --> 00:18:36,554 Speaker 1: It's so good. So we've got these photos and they're 426 00:18:36,554 --> 00:18:39,754 Speaker 1: all in matching truck suits and these white matching truck suits. 427 00:18:39,914 --> 00:18:41,594 Speaker 1: They're all smiling, makeup free. 428 00:18:41,634 --> 00:18:41,833 Speaker 2: You know. 429 00:18:41,874 --> 00:18:43,874 Speaker 1: I love these girls. These are my goals, Like I 430 00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:46,594 Speaker 1: love them. Thank you so much for the support. But 431 00:18:46,794 --> 00:18:50,674 Speaker 1: now none of them are following each other. So Hillary 432 00:18:50,754 --> 00:18:54,354 Speaker 1: Duff doesn't follow Actually Tearsdale anymore, Many More doesn't follow 433 00:18:54,394 --> 00:18:58,593 Speaker 1: her anymore, and Acshally Tisdale doesn't follow them either, so 434 00:18:58,674 --> 00:19:01,234 Speaker 1: people have now deduced that there has been some sort 435 00:19:01,234 --> 00:19:04,834 Speaker 1: of rift between the two of them. Between Ashley Tisdale 436 00:19:04,834 --> 00:19:07,474 Speaker 1: and the rest of the group. Right, Actually Tiss is 437 00:19:07,514 --> 00:19:10,514 Speaker 1: inferring in this article. That is because they were bullying 438 00:19:10,514 --> 00:19:11,874 Speaker 1: her and being a mean girl. 439 00:19:12,394 --> 00:19:15,474 Speaker 3: Yes, there's two things that are so celebrity here that 440 00:19:15,634 --> 00:19:17,514 Speaker 3: like no one else is getting away with. One thing 441 00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:20,074 Speaker 3: is like, regular people can unfollow people and like it's fine, 442 00:19:20,114 --> 00:19:21,754 Speaker 3: But if you're a celebrity and you make the choice 443 00:19:21,754 --> 00:19:25,114 Speaker 3: to unfollow someone, it's a statement. Absolutely you're putting out 444 00:19:25,154 --> 00:19:28,434 Speaker 3: there about the status of your relationship because people will notice, 445 00:19:28,474 --> 00:19:30,154 Speaker 3: Like people like you and me, we're gonna go look 446 00:19:30,154 --> 00:19:31,474 Speaker 3: at that, and we're gonna see that they're not following 447 00:19:31,474 --> 00:19:33,513 Speaker 3: each other and we're going to go that's strange. The 448 00:19:33,554 --> 00:19:35,714 Speaker 3: second thing is imagine being like, you know what, I 449 00:19:35,714 --> 00:19:37,834 Speaker 3: feel a little bit petty about this thing that happened 450 00:19:37,874 --> 00:19:39,714 Speaker 3: to me, and I think the answer is going to 451 00:19:39,754 --> 00:19:42,394 Speaker 3: the cut and writing a first person essay. A unique 452 00:19:42,434 --> 00:19:45,114 Speaker 3: experience that only a handful of celebrities can do. But 453 00:19:45,154 --> 00:19:47,114 Speaker 3: it's a very fun one, I guess to play with. 454 00:19:47,274 --> 00:19:50,354 Speaker 1: It's also so funny because the Mum group drama is 455 00:19:50,394 --> 00:19:53,954 Speaker 1: actually super relatable. I have been a part of Mum's groups. 456 00:19:54,234 --> 00:19:57,434 Speaker 1: They can be pretty toxic and particularly mum like Facebook 457 00:19:57,474 --> 00:20:00,114 Speaker 1: groups and all of that thing, because mum life can 458 00:20:00,154 --> 00:20:02,474 Speaker 1: be so all consuming, and it can also be very 459 00:20:02,554 --> 00:20:05,754 Speaker 1: very judgmental, like are your breastfeeding is it formula? How 460 00:20:05,834 --> 00:20:08,754 Speaker 1: you are you sleep training and your baby? Like everybody 461 00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:12,674 Speaker 1: has an opinion and it can become really really icky 462 00:20:12,794 --> 00:20:15,794 Speaker 1: and toxic. So a lot of people have responded to 463 00:20:15,834 --> 00:20:18,194 Speaker 1: this particular article being like, oh my god, I relate 464 00:20:18,234 --> 00:20:20,594 Speaker 1: to this so hard. This is super relatable. I had 465 00:20:20,594 --> 00:20:23,554 Speaker 1: this happen to me. So it's almost quite funny. It's 466 00:20:23,554 --> 00:20:27,273 Speaker 1: like those old people magazine articles of celebs. They're just like, 467 00:20:28,914 --> 00:20:29,674 Speaker 1: they're just like us. 468 00:20:29,714 --> 00:20:31,194 Speaker 2: They also fight, they. 469 00:20:31,034 --> 00:20:32,674 Speaker 1: Also have mum drama. 470 00:20:32,754 --> 00:20:33,274 Speaker 2: Yeah. 471 00:20:33,314 --> 00:20:36,874 Speaker 1: But where this gets even more juicy and interesting, it's 472 00:20:36,874 --> 00:20:39,513 Speaker 1: not the fact that Ashley Tisdell has been quote unquote 473 00:20:39,554 --> 00:20:42,394 Speaker 1: bullied by this particular mum's group, or or in fact 474 00:20:42,434 --> 00:20:45,234 Speaker 1: that this relationship of grown adult women has collapsed. Because look, 475 00:20:45,314 --> 00:20:49,034 Speaker 1: female friendships sometimes can be a bit more short lived, 476 00:20:49,114 --> 00:20:51,954 Speaker 1: and they can be some really challenging moments in a 477 00:20:51,954 --> 00:20:52,593 Speaker 1: female friendship. 478 00:20:52,674 --> 00:20:54,234 Speaker 2: Yeah, people can be in your life for a reason 479 00:20:54,314 --> 00:20:54,834 Speaker 2: or a season. 480 00:20:54,954 --> 00:20:55,833 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. 481 00:20:55,874 --> 00:20:56,394 Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. 482 00:20:56,394 --> 00:20:56,914 Speaker 1: That's so cute. 483 00:20:56,954 --> 00:20:58,194 Speaker 2: I didn't come up with it, but I'll pretend. 484 00:20:58,274 --> 00:21:01,593 Speaker 1: Okay, no, you should, just sure I liked it. So 485 00:21:01,634 --> 00:21:04,594 Speaker 1: there's been some speculation that is potentially because of the 486 00:21:04,714 --> 00:21:09,634 Speaker 1: politics of Ashley Tale. I was in a very deep 487 00:21:10,154 --> 00:21:14,074 Speaker 1: rabbit hole and one reddita set I noticed a shift. 488 00:21:14,074 --> 00:21:16,314 Speaker 1: Around the time of the fires in California last year. 489 00:21:16,554 --> 00:21:19,234 Speaker 1: Mandy's family was affected by the fires. Her, her husband, 490 00:21:19,314 --> 00:21:21,714 Speaker 1: and their children all lived with Hillary for a couple 491 00:21:21,794 --> 00:21:24,074 Speaker 1: of months due to the fire damage in their home. 492 00:21:24,554 --> 00:21:27,714 Speaker 1: Other members of Mandy's family completely lost their homes. I 493 00:21:27,754 --> 00:21:31,074 Speaker 1: remember actually being super tone deaf around this, posting about 494 00:21:31,074 --> 00:21:33,474 Speaker 1: how grateful she was that she wasn't affected by the fires, 495 00:21:33,474 --> 00:21:36,034 Speaker 1: and continued talking about plans to build her vacation home. 496 00:21:36,554 --> 00:21:38,994 Speaker 1: She wasn't pictured with the mum group again after this. 497 00:21:39,354 --> 00:21:41,834 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that that affected her relationship within 498 00:21:41,874 --> 00:21:42,513 Speaker 1: the mum group. 499 00:21:42,754 --> 00:21:43,514 Speaker 2: Interesting. 500 00:21:43,794 --> 00:21:46,154 Speaker 3: So in the article, she says that what started happening 501 00:21:46,154 --> 00:21:48,234 Speaker 3: to her was she would find herself not invited to dinners, 502 00:21:48,314 --> 00:21:51,033 Speaker 3: or she would find herself not invited to get away, 503 00:21:51,154 --> 00:21:52,874 Speaker 3: and that the thing would always be from the rest 504 00:21:52,874 --> 00:21:54,634 Speaker 3: of the women in this mum group, like but you're 505 00:21:54,634 --> 00:21:56,954 Speaker 3: always invited or you're always welcome you can always come 506 00:21:57,034 --> 00:21:58,474 Speaker 3: and that is something that a lot of people have 507 00:21:58,594 --> 00:22:00,194 Speaker 3: like real world experience. 508 00:21:59,794 --> 00:22:01,674 Speaker 1: Of Yeah, and it might be a way of just 509 00:22:01,674 --> 00:22:05,674 Speaker 1: trying to like not be super confrontational, but also wanting 510 00:22:05,754 --> 00:22:10,234 Speaker 1: to separate themselves from this person. So the other layer 511 00:22:10,314 --> 00:22:12,833 Speaker 1: to all of this. And Laura and I had did 512 00:22:12,874 --> 00:22:14,954 Speaker 1: a deep dive on this last year about the relationship 513 00:22:14,954 --> 00:22:18,793 Speaker 1: between Haley and Hillary Doff, So it has sort of 514 00:22:18,794 --> 00:22:20,553 Speaker 1: been documented that Hailey and Hillary Duff have had a 515 00:22:20,554 --> 00:22:26,154 Speaker 1: massive falling out because of Hailey's politics potentially. Now what's interesting, 516 00:22:26,474 --> 00:22:31,114 Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale still follows Hailey Duff and Hailey follows Ashley, 517 00:22:31,874 --> 00:22:35,354 Speaker 1: so people are kind of making it could be tenuous 518 00:22:35,874 --> 00:22:39,794 Speaker 1: but a connection between those two and suggesting that perhaps 519 00:22:40,154 --> 00:22:43,714 Speaker 1: her more conservative politics are part of the reason that 520 00:22:44,074 --> 00:22:46,394 Speaker 1: this friendship breakdown has been happening. 521 00:22:46,594 --> 00:22:49,314 Speaker 3: That's really interesting that they're still following each other, and 522 00:22:49,874 --> 00:22:51,754 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of comments coming up on 523 00:22:51,834 --> 00:22:54,354 Speaker 3: this article now suggesting that it could be because of 524 00:22:54,354 --> 00:22:56,954 Speaker 3: her conservative beliefs, So it would check out. Likewise, if 525 00:22:56,954 --> 00:23:00,033 Speaker 3: Hailey's also in maybe potentially a similar situation of not 526 00:23:00,074 --> 00:23:02,274 Speaker 3: being on speaking terms with Hillary, that that would also 527 00:23:02,314 --> 00:23:05,594 Speaker 3: affect Ashley if they were also aligned politically. 528 00:23:05,394 --> 00:23:09,154 Speaker 1: It's just it's so juicye. I think the reason people 529 00:23:09,194 --> 00:23:13,434 Speaker 1: are finding it so interesting as well is because it's 530 00:23:13,474 --> 00:23:18,674 Speaker 1: this peak behind celebrity life that isn't so glossy. It 531 00:23:18,754 --> 00:23:22,194 Speaker 1: is like her, Yeah, it's something that everybody experiences, whether 532 00:23:22,234 --> 00:23:24,594 Speaker 1: it's in a work relationship, whether it's in your own 533 00:23:24,634 --> 00:23:29,634 Speaker 1: mum group, whether it's with your family. It feels so titillating. 534 00:23:30,034 --> 00:23:31,714 Speaker 3: Yeah, And at the moment, this is all a bit 535 00:23:31,754 --> 00:23:34,194 Speaker 3: of like he said, she said, she said, she said, 536 00:23:34,394 --> 00:23:37,033 Speaker 3: because it's just sort of fans pulling strings together. But 537 00:23:37,074 --> 00:23:39,354 Speaker 3: I would never discount fans doing that because more often 538 00:23:39,354 --> 00:23:41,434 Speaker 3: than not, like they kind of uncover a little something 539 00:23:41,474 --> 00:23:43,714 Speaker 3: that snowballs in the news cycle. But what is really 540 00:23:43,714 --> 00:23:45,793 Speaker 3: interesting here is like, you didn't have to do this, 541 00:23:45,834 --> 00:23:47,834 Speaker 3: You didn't have to write an essay about the breakdown 542 00:23:47,834 --> 00:23:49,874 Speaker 3: of your friendship group and sort of bring this all up. 543 00:23:50,154 --> 00:23:53,274 Speaker 3: But it has already quite predictably started to cycle back 544 00:23:53,274 --> 00:23:56,513 Speaker 3: around people going well, what did you do, Ashley Tisdale. 545 00:23:56,874 --> 00:23:59,114 Speaker 3: So it's like it's started as going, oh, juice drama. 546 00:23:59,154 --> 00:24:02,194 Speaker 3: Everyone's interested, what's going on? What did those mean women 547 00:24:02,234 --> 00:24:04,954 Speaker 3: do to her? And it's already circled back to did 548 00:24:04,954 --> 00:24:07,033 Speaker 3: you do something to cause this problem? And people are 549 00:24:07,234 --> 00:24:09,674 Speaker 3: digging up little receipts and things like that. So it's 550 00:24:09,754 --> 00:24:11,714 Speaker 3: very interesting and it will be very interesting to see 551 00:24:12,074 --> 00:24:14,474 Speaker 3: should anyone comment on this. Do they all just like 552 00:24:14,634 --> 00:24:17,154 Speaker 3: ignore it? What's going to happen next? It's very interesting, 553 00:24:17,194 --> 00:24:19,594 Speaker 3: is like the first life cycles of like a new drama. 554 00:24:19,954 --> 00:24:22,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny because when I first read it, 555 00:24:22,074 --> 00:24:23,674 Speaker 1: I really related to a lot of the things that 556 00:24:23,714 --> 00:24:26,834 Speaker 1: she said in the article. I really did, because I 557 00:24:26,874 --> 00:24:29,194 Speaker 1: do think a lot of that is very, very relatable 558 00:24:29,394 --> 00:24:31,834 Speaker 1: for a new mother, because it is a very difficult 559 00:24:31,834 --> 00:24:35,474 Speaker 1: time of your life where you are so all consumed 560 00:24:35,514 --> 00:24:38,114 Speaker 1: with this child, with this baby and keeping this thing alive, 561 00:24:38,594 --> 00:24:40,833 Speaker 1: and you're awake at all hours of the night, and 562 00:24:40,874 --> 00:24:43,394 Speaker 1: it is such an isolating experience. But the great thing 563 00:24:43,434 --> 00:24:45,353 Speaker 1: about a mum's group is that at three am, when 564 00:24:45,394 --> 00:24:47,674 Speaker 1: you're breastfeeding, you can almost guarantee that somebody in that 565 00:24:47,714 --> 00:24:50,954 Speaker 1: group is awake. And there were so many times during 566 00:24:51,074 --> 00:24:54,194 Speaker 1: the newborn phase with my children where I was texting 567 00:24:54,234 --> 00:24:56,954 Speaker 1: with this group at two o'clock in the morning and 568 00:24:57,474 --> 00:25:00,073 Speaker 1: there was someone there to listen to you. Yeah, and 569 00:25:00,114 --> 00:25:02,514 Speaker 1: it kind of does help a lot make that sort 570 00:25:02,554 --> 00:25:06,714 Speaker 1: of new motherhood experience less isolating. However, there is also 571 00:25:06,754 --> 00:25:10,033 Speaker 1: a topicity to it sometimes because of these differing views, 572 00:25:10,314 --> 00:25:12,834 Speaker 1: and it can become very mean girl, it can become 573 00:25:12,954 --> 00:25:13,714 Speaker 1: very high school. 574 00:25:13,914 --> 00:25:16,034 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, look, I have zero experience or 575 00:25:16,074 --> 00:25:19,234 Speaker 3: understanding of what any of that is like, but I 576 00:25:19,274 --> 00:25:20,754 Speaker 3: do imagine that that would be one of the most 577 00:25:20,754 --> 00:25:22,154 Speaker 3: intense kinds of friendships to have. 578 00:25:22,114 --> 00:25:24,474 Speaker 2: Whether it's the supportive kind or the toxic kind. 579 00:25:24,594 --> 00:25:26,513 Speaker 3: Like if you're all in this together in one of 580 00:25:26,714 --> 00:25:29,474 Speaker 3: what is from the outside looking in, got to be 581 00:25:29,474 --> 00:25:31,234 Speaker 3: one of the hardest times of any woman's life who's 582 00:25:31,274 --> 00:25:33,554 Speaker 3: just had a child. Being in a mum's group would 583 00:25:33,754 --> 00:25:36,434 Speaker 3: theoretically be very supportive. But if those women were not 584 00:25:36,434 --> 00:25:38,394 Speaker 3: supportive of you, or if there was tension, I could 585 00:25:38,514 --> 00:25:40,834 Speaker 3: imagine that that is a toxic environment to be in 586 00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:43,234 Speaker 3: at times. And that seems to be what has resonated 587 00:25:43,274 --> 00:25:44,594 Speaker 3: here from this article for people. 588 00:25:44,714 --> 00:25:49,194 Speaker 1: From my experience, the issues often occur with differences in 589 00:25:49,314 --> 00:25:50,474 Speaker 1: parenting styles. 590 00:25:50,674 --> 00:25:50,954 Speaker 2: Yeah. 591 00:25:50,954 --> 00:25:53,674 Speaker 1: Interesting, when people have an opinion about their parenting, they 592 00:25:53,674 --> 00:25:56,834 Speaker 1: are one hundred percent right. It is got you you 593 00:25:56,834 --> 00:25:59,194 Speaker 1: you know you can't do that. Are your sleep training? 594 00:25:59,394 --> 00:26:03,434 Speaker 1: That's so cruel? You can't do that? Yeah, oh, formula, 595 00:26:03,554 --> 00:26:06,273 Speaker 1: don't you know that breast is best? You shouldn't use 596 00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:09,154 Speaker 1: that because it's toxic. Are you still using a dummy? 597 00:26:09,474 --> 00:26:11,793 Speaker 1: Oh my god? Screen time is so bad and it 598 00:26:11,874 --> 00:26:13,074 Speaker 1: descends into chaos. 599 00:26:13,354 --> 00:26:16,513 Speaker 3: And look, allegedly you add into that mix potentially different 600 00:26:16,514 --> 00:26:20,194 Speaker 3: political views, which can also lead into how people choose 601 00:26:20,234 --> 00:26:23,474 Speaker 3: to parent. That could be a toxic environment and maybe 602 00:26:23,474 --> 00:26:25,754 Speaker 3: they just didn't want to at the Groove vacation anymore. 603 00:26:25,914 --> 00:26:28,434 Speaker 1: Look, we can continue to speculate, and I'm gonna keep 604 00:26:28,434 --> 00:26:30,514 Speaker 1: going down a rabbit hole. So if we find anything 605 00:26:30,554 --> 00:26:33,274 Speaker 1: else on it, we might have to also ask Laura 606 00:26:33,354 --> 00:26:35,833 Speaker 1: more about the Hailey Hillary stuff because she's so up 607 00:26:35,834 --> 00:26:36,674 Speaker 1: to date on that law. 608 00:26:36,954 --> 00:26:37,194 Speaker 2: Yeah. 609 00:26:37,314 --> 00:26:38,914 Speaker 3: Look, if you guys want to have a listen, go 610 00:26:38,954 --> 00:26:40,914 Speaker 3: back and check it out, because you guys dove deep 611 00:26:40,954 --> 00:26:44,313 Speaker 3: into the like you guys spoke about the original creator 612 00:26:44,314 --> 00:26:46,073 Speaker 3: who sort of did all the pointing out and like 613 00:26:46,274 --> 00:26:48,474 Speaker 3: crazy mind mapping to figure all of this out. Yeah, 614 00:26:48,474 --> 00:26:50,434 Speaker 3: there's a lot of juicy drama there between them. 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