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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey Taylor here, Before we start today's episode, it's important

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Speaker 2: to let you know that, after filing the story you're

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Speaker 2: about to hear, there's been reports of additional Israeli fire

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Speaker 2: in Gaza overnight, which has killed at least seventeen Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: Israel also says militant gunfire has injured Israeli soldiers, So

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Speaker 2: please take that fresh information into what you're about to hear.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Welcome to the Quickie. I'm Taylor Strano. As

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Speaker 2: the world talks about a new phase of the Gaza

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Speaker 2: Peace Plan, Israel is moving to kick out dozens of

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Speaker 2: aid agencies from the territories where Palestinians are most dependent

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Speaker 2: on them to survive. We'll explain what this man actually does,

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Speaker 2: why groups like Doctors Without Bought It say it's simply unprecedented,

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Speaker 2: and what it actually means for people in Gaza right now. First,

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Speaker 2: Claire Murphy's got in his headlines for Thursday, fevery.

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Speaker 1: Five, thanks Taylor. Trump's so called bordersar Tom Homan has

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Speaker 1: announced that seven hundred of the nearly three thousand ICE

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Speaker 1: agents sent to Minnesota will be withdrawn immediately. He explained

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Speaker 1: that more of the federal agents will also be withdrawn,

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Speaker 1: but only if people stop interfering with them as they

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Speaker 1: carry out arrests. The announcement comes after two US citizens

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Speaker 1: were shot and killed by ICE agents in Minneapolis, Rene

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Speaker 1: Good and Alex Pretty, who'd been protesting the agent's presence

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Speaker 1: in the city. A teenage boy who swam for hours

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Speaker 1: has been hailed a hero. Thirteen year old Austin Appleby

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Speaker 1: Friday morning, just after midday. Austin lost an or When Joanne,

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Speaker 1: other son, twelve year old Bow trying to help, but

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Speaker 1: Joanne's oh was also lost, leaving them drifting. Joanne got

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Speaker 1: conditions changed and Austin found himself an increasingly choppy seas

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Speaker 1: at eight thirty pm that night, Austin's mum saying she

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Speaker 1: couldn't be prouder of her son. The son of Norway's

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Speaker 1: crown Princess has denied that videos on his phone showed

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Speaker 1: acts of rape as he broke down during his first

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine year old Marius borg Hoby could face years

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Speaker 1: some lesser charges, including driving too fast He also said

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Speaker 1: broke down in tears. He described his life as being

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Speaker 1: have an extreme need for affirmation, a lot of sex,

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Speaker 1: lot of parties, alcohol, some drugs. The court also heard

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Speaker 1: and Princess. She said, at first, I didn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't understand that Marius could do something like that

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Speaker 1: with anyone. Still on the Royals, and Andrew Mountbatten Windsor

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Speaker 1: King Charles had reportedly been trying to get his brother

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Speaker 1: pay for his brother's new home himself. Moguls medallists Jakara

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Speaker 1: Anthony and Matt Graham will be Australia's flag bearers at

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Speaker 1: the Milan Cortina Winter Olympics opening ceremony. It's the first

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Speaker 1: time two athletes from the same sport have been chosen

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Speaker 1: The pair were asked by a team Chef de mission,

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Speaker 1: the Games. Anthony, who will defend the moguls gold medal

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Speaker 1: Australia for a fourth time. In an historic first, the

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Speaker 1: Produzzo and sliders in Cortina Dmpezzo.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire, Why are some of the biggest humanitarian organizations

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Speaker 2: Who's Who of Global Charities, Medicine's Sons Frontier or Doctors

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Speaker 2: International Rescue Committee, and World Vision. This ban comes after

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Speaker 2: the above mentioned groups failed to meet new registration rules

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Speaker 2: brought in last year. The rules introduced by Israel's Ministry

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Speaker 2: for basic paperwork. NGOs are required to sign on to

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Speaker 2: Israel says this is about preventing terrorist elements infiltrating aid

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Speaker 2: sharing full staff lists with authorities who have already killed, arrested,

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Speaker 3: It's a really complex situation that we find ourselves in.

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Speaker 3: For MSF, it's a question of crossing an ethical line

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Speaker 3: two years in which fourteen hundred humanitarian workers have lost

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Speaker 3: their lives, including fifteen of our staff as well. So

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Speaker 3: what we sought from Israeli authorities was assurances essentially that

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Speaker 3: specific purposes. Also an assurance that we could continue to

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Speaker 3: conduct our medical activities with neutrality and impartiality independence as well. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: we are yet to receive those assurances, so as a result,

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Speaker 2: That's Ashlely Colleen, the acting executive director of MSF Australia.

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Speaker 2: Israel insists these changes, which came into effect on Year's

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Speaker 2: saying the banned organizations account for only about one percent

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Speaker 3: The need is intense. The situation is just horrific. You

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Speaker 3: And the question that we have is what happens when

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Speaker 3: but all of these people who have been forced to

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Speaker 3: need is overwhelming. It's continuous, and it's not just because

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Speaker 3: also the long term and consistent medical things that people face,

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Speaker 3: over the last two and a half years is really

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Speaker 2: MSF's own numbers give a sense of the scale. In

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand outpatient consultations in Gaza, treated more than

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Speaker 2: doctor Tim and Dinn completed two assignments in Gaza last year.

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Speaker 2: She says, her own family with a motivation to send

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Speaker 4: For me, it was when I could see my family

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Speaker 4: I heard these stories, I couldn't help but think of

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Speaker 4: And it was when I was hearing these stories that

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Speaker 4: I knew that I had to come do something.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the first day when you arrived in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: The first thing to say is that at the border,

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Speaker 4: it's not the Palestinians who you need to get past,

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Speaker 4: it's the Israeli forces. They control everything and everyone who

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Speaker 4: them is quite terrifying. And then when you finally do

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Speaker 4: cross from Israel to Gaza, you go from the I

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Speaker 4: guess affluence normality of the Israeli side, and then you

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Speaker 4: cross over to what can only be described as an

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Speaker 2: You have done two assignments in Gaza. What made you

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Speaker 2: go back a second time? Because I imagine you were on

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Speaker 2: the ground with people and babies and families and people

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Speaker 2: What made you say yes to doing it again?

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Speaker 4: I think seeing all these things for yourself, seeing how

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Speaker 4: real it is, seen, that it's actually worse in person

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Speaker 4: necessary it is for humanitarian organizations to be there to

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Speaker 2: How do you feel hearing about these new regulations of

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Speaker 4: I think it's a pretext to again obstruct humanitarian aid,

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Speaker 2: Dear man, how does it feel to know that when

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Speaker 4: It's it's heartbreaking and it's terrifying because we were one

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Speaker 4: It's important to recognize that the killings haven't stopped. When

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Speaker 2: Israel says agencies have until March one to carry out

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Speaker 3: Look, we're trying to continue dialogue with Israeli authorities. So

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Speaker 3: MSF has been in Gaza since nineteen eighty eight. We're

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Speaker 1: We're committed to ensuring gazas demilitarized, properly governed, and beautifully rebuilt.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a great plan and that's where

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Speaker 2: this episode today, I asked Ashley how people at home

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Speaker 3: Donating is still a really powerful action for a lot

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano,

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Speaker 2: Ilaria Brophy and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.

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