Speaker 1: Hello, spill Is. It's Laura brodney keire, host of the Spill.
Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, I do have a
Speaker 1: confession to make and that is Emily Vernon and I
Speaker 1: did something really, really bad and Emily, you're allowed to talk. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're both complicit in this. So the Odyssey and this
Speaker 1: this bit's not in us. The Odyssey is a famously
Speaker 1: long story, one of the longest stories ever told. The
Speaker 1: movie is over three hours. We tried to do this
Speaker 1: Broodly Honors review in one episode. We failed miserably. We
Speaker 1: talked for too long and as punishment for us, but
Speaker 1: as a gift to you, guys, we've been told we
Speaker 1: have to split the episode into two parts.
Speaker 2: So this is a two part of Broodley Honest review.
Speaker 1: And guys, it is so word do we want to
Speaker 1: talk about the whole movie and we can't. Guys, we
Speaker 1: can't condense this. We tried, We've recorded it. It's so
Speaker 1: good and funny and just off the rails weird. We
Speaker 1: can't cut it. So it's coming too in two parts.
Speaker 1: So enjoy enjoying part one today and keep an eye
Speaker 1: on your feed for part two of our Broodly review
Speaker 1: of The Odyssey coming soon from Mama Mia. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the spill your daily pop culture Fixed.
Speaker 2: I'm Laura Broadneck and I'm Burnham.
Speaker 1: And welcome to the long awaited two weeks brutally honest
Speaker 1: review of The Odyssey.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I wanted to talk about this for so.
Speaker 1: We have been desperate to talk about this. We have
Speaker 1: tried in like in the office and things, not to
Speaker 1: talk about this too much, or after we saw it
Speaker 1: together in the IMAX, fighted our lives not to sit
Speaker 1: near the front. And we usually do these reviews a
Speaker 1: week after the movie comes out, but we thought because
Speaker 1: there was such a wait list to get into cinemas,
Speaker 1: we would give you guys, know, people.
Speaker 2: Who are like on the wait list to see it
Speaker 2: in November.
Speaker 1: That's craziness. Well, I hope those people are still listening.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert for Look, I hate people saying like this
Speaker 1: story came out like a thousand years ago, like you
Speaker 1: obviously don't know what Christ.
Speaker 2: It only works for us because we want to talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: We cannot wait any longer. So spoilers for the Odyssey.
Speaker 1: But look, we obviously aren't going to cover everything years
Speaker 1: three hours long. I'll also preface this by saying that
Speaker 1: often with our brilliant reviews, I like to bring on
Speaker 1: a few filmmaking facts, behind the scenes facts, facts about
Speaker 1: the actors. That's going to be light today.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even though, well, I think we touched on it
Speaker 1: more and now we can watch review of like the
Speaker 1: cinematography and the practical effects and the cyclops head soxit
Speaker 1: talking about that. So this is gonna be a bit
Speaker 1: more of a looser Yeah, run through. This is like
Speaker 1: men and monsters, my two favorite things. I've actually watched
Speaker 1: it twice. That's crazy. Who did you see it with
Speaker 1: the second time?
Speaker 2: I saw it with a friend, Okay, okay, okay, Because
Speaker 2: when I.
Speaker 1: Was my dad, God, my dad, I feel like he
Speaker 1: would be interested in this movie.
Speaker 2: I know he doesn't like fantasy, he doesn't like fantasy.
Speaker 2: I think he'd be really into it because it's a
Speaker 2: lot of action.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've heard so many people taking their dads to
Speaker 1: see it. That's why I asked that, Because so many
Speaker 1: dads to see it and they're like, love the war,
Speaker 1: I'm sure of the monsters nure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. I'm sure my dad's review.
Speaker 1: I just know it.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to watch it in another cinema. I
Speaker 2: actually was the one who dragged my friend to watch
Speaker 2: it because I really wanted to watch it for the
Speaker 2: second time because I did feel like not everywhere has
Speaker 2: an IMAX, Like we were lucky enough to go to
Speaker 2: the premiere and watch it in the Sydney Imax. It
Speaker 2: isn't even the imax as they filmed.
Speaker 1: It for, No, it's even one of those like what
Speaker 1: forty in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Melbourne the only one in the Southern Hemisphere to
Speaker 2: have it, and I was like, look, I need to
Speaker 2: see it in their different cinema to see if it's
Speaker 2: still like as good, because I think there was a
Speaker 2: lot of controversy of people saying, if you're going to
Speaker 2: film it an IMAX, there's no point watching it on
Speaker 2: this on the smallest screen because you're missing like good
Speaker 2: chunks of the actual screen. I watched it in palace cinemas,
Speaker 2: so I try to find like the.
Speaker 1: Smallest cinema is a tiny cinema and it's like no
Speaker 1: bigger than a normal like teasing screen. Some of the
Speaker 1: cinemas in palacinema are like the size of my apartment.
Speaker 2: It's so small. It was like very, very tiny. My
Speaker 2: friend was like, is this how big it goes?
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I did I did this.
Speaker 2: I was on the like ground boots on the ground journalism.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see it is as good. I think
Speaker 2: it's just the cinema experience, which we said in our
Speaker 2: Weekend Watch. It's as good like. It's not like a
Speaker 2: subplot's happening in the sky, in the sky that we're
Speaker 2: not seeing. In fact, I will say that even though
Speaker 2: I watch it for the second time in the smaller cinema,
Speaker 2: I was actually jumping a bit more because it's such
Speaker 2: a small room. I think the sand was rebounding and
Speaker 2: much louder the cyclops scream in the like smallert cinema,
Speaker 2: I was like out of my skin. It was so scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for anyone if you're panting about not
Speaker 1: getting IMAX tickets or you can't fly in Melbourne or
Speaker 1: Singapore or one of the places the IMAX is we're
Speaker 1: not asking you to do. Don't listen to those bros
Speaker 1: on TikTok who are like, you won't see the movie.
Speaker 1: It's that you won't see the top of Likeamemnon's helmets,
Speaker 1: gotta frill You're fine, you see it from far the
Speaker 1: minute he's close up, you don't. There's one shot you
Speaker 1: don't see the top of Tom Holland's head. He's a brunette.
Speaker 1: It's filled it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got like a tiny forehead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all ends. Okay, So here we go the
Speaker 1: Odyssey gonna say the Odysseus, yeah, and has an issue
Speaker 1: where she's you're calling Odysseus the Lee character, right, you're
Speaker 1: calling him Damon. No, that's his that's his given name. Yes,
Speaker 1: his government name's government name. Calling him the Odyssey, I.
Speaker 2: Keep calling him, and I keep calling the movie these
Speaker 2: why did they do that?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Why do they get? Why are they so close together?
Speaker 2: Like the Odyssey and Odysseus. I saw a meme saying
Speaker 2: I know why it's called the Odyssey because odd things
Speaker 2: happen at the sea, And he's like why.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the original text by Homer says that,
Speaker 1: or any of the interpretations of like ancient Greek mythology.
Speaker 2: But you read that, Emily Wilson, I did. I've just
Speaker 2: started that. I love it, and especially now that I
Speaker 2: know her viewpoint on the movie, I'm loving it even more.
Speaker 2: She does not like the film.
Speaker 1: No, she does it for anyone who doesn't know. Emily
Speaker 1: Wilson was actually the first woman and to write a
Speaker 1: translation of the which just crazy because when she did hers,
Speaker 1: it was like twenty seventeen and it was not long ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people like, that's their favorite version
Speaker 1: to read. A few people like she watered it down. No,
Speaker 1: she didn't, just because she made it fun. And when
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan was making The Odyssey, he used that as
Speaker 1: one of his primary texts that he referenced. And everyone
Speaker 1: must be like, oh god, she Emily must be thrilled. No,
Speaker 1: she was not.
Speaker 2: She was not. She specifically wanted to point out that
Speaker 2: there was no sex scenes and the food looked horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the lack of sex was such a sexy, sexy story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was actually quite crazy. Okay, so we start off.
Speaker 1: We must start sorry for three hour movies, so this
Speaker 1: will be a three our pod record. No, I wish
Speaker 1: I would actually be love that. So we start off
Speaker 1: with Ogysseus played by Matt Damon, the King of Ithaca.
Speaker 2: Are we thinking Oscar numb for this? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's time for Matt Daimon just to
Speaker 1: get a career Oscar because he's one one for writing,
Speaker 1: for writing Goodwill hunting. He won one straight up the Teenager. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think he's had so many since No, but
Speaker 1: he's I think he's maybe been nominated, but he's definitely
Speaker 1: never won it. He's never won an acting.
Speaker 2: This is the first time he's been a main character
Speaker 2: in a Christopher Nolan film. He's worked with Christopher Nolan
Speaker 2: multiple times.
Speaker 1: He pops up somewhere.
Speaker 2: He's always popped up somewhere. He's always had like smaller roles, yes,
Speaker 2: and this is his first like major, big role.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because Christopher Nolan cast him, not because he
Speaker 1: loves working with him, and Christopher Nolan likes he's very
Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy in that way. He likes to get his
Speaker 1: people and keeps them on every project. But he said,
Speaker 1: Matt Damon is the right person to play Odysseus in
Speaker 1: his opinion, because Odysseus is like this warrior king, but
Speaker 1: he's also in every Man in that you see him
Speaker 1: go through like these terrible situations where he is like
Speaker 1: but a man, and he's like it's like that Damon.
Speaker 1: In my head, I was like, say what now? But
Speaker 1: then he said, Matt Damon is Jason Bourne, but he
Speaker 1: also plays like in every Man, and he's like from
Speaker 1: Boston and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, it is very Matt Damon character.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because he is like one of the roles
Speaker 1: of Matt Damon's career. And Christopher Nolan said when they
Speaker 1: were like doing the fittings for the costumes and things,
Speaker 1: he noticed he had a tattoo in his army. He
Speaker 1: doesn't like when actors have tattoos because it takes so
Speaker 1: long to cover them up. And he was like you too,
Speaker 1: like why would you have that, You're an actor, And
Speaker 1: Matt Damon said, I'm gonna be honest. I thought my
Speaker 1: bicep days were over. He's showing a bicep. He's like,
Speaker 1: now I can put my kids' names on there. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's very not us. Feeling sorry for Matt Damon, that
Speaker 1: rich white.
Speaker 2: Man, A beautiful rich white man.
Speaker 1: So yes, the King of Ithaca who sets off on
Speaker 1: a wee journey to Troy, where he remains for ten
Speaker 1: years fighting the war, leaving behind his wife, Penelope played
Speaker 1: by Anne Hathaway.
Speaker 2: I also think Oscar Win for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially, I think definitely, no, definitely a nomination, whether
Speaker 1: she'll win or not. I mean, can I just say
Speaker 1: something controversial. I love Anne Hathaway to death. I love
Speaker 1: her so much. She would much more deserving to win
Speaker 1: an Oscar for this than lame Is. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's the role. She should have won an Oscar for that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes things work out like that.
Speaker 2: I forgot you won for lame Is. But this role
Speaker 2: was insane. Some of the monol and this were brilliant.
Speaker 2: There's just one part towards the end of the film
Speaker 2: where she just is so passionate and so emotional, and
Speaker 2: everyone in the cinema jumped a little yeah, big bad scream.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think I've heard the studio. We're just
Speaker 1: like very conflict at the moment, whether in the awards race,
Speaker 1: in the Oscars race to run her as lead or supporting,
Speaker 1: because she's got more of a chance of winning supporting,
Speaker 1: but also technically she is the female lead of the movie.
Speaker 1: But then also if she's in supporting, she could not
Speaker 1: she has There's a lot of women this movie who
Speaker 1: could also be supporting, so they'll cancel each other.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's always a case of scares. But
Speaker 2: then sometimes like the supporting actor role can be massive,
Speaker 2: like we're seeing it with the Emmy's right where everyone
Speaker 2: is so deserving. But I feel like she could bat
Speaker 2: lea it out as lead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something, something to look forward.
Speaker 2: To, something to look forward.
Speaker 1: To, come Oscar season. And then we also have Tom
Speaker 1: Holland obviously plays their son. Later on, he's a baby
Speaker 1: when Ojesse sets off on his fleet of ship to
Speaker 1: I did know. I'm not giving that baby a second thought. Okay,
Speaker 1: is your takeaway.
Speaker 2: Breaking moment for that baby?
Speaker 1: That baby had his chance to start them. Oh No,
Speaker 1: I feel about what every other actor's name in the
Speaker 1: whole movie bad.
Speaker 2: Because we've talked in length about how annoying it is
Speaker 2: when TV and movies use like fake like crazy baby,
Speaker 2: and you finally get a real one you don't appreciate.
Speaker 1: Don't appreciate him. Maybe they'll run him in supporting Actors
Speaker 1: he crawls up on stage to get but anyway, fun
Speaker 1: fun aside. Tom Holland plays their adult son, Telemachus.
Speaker 2: Telemachusm Chus, Telemachus Telemachus.
Speaker 1: A good memory trick is give me a kiss, Temelochus.
Speaker 2: Give me a kiss Telemachus.
Speaker 1: No, and You're gonna have to pull it together because
Speaker 1: we have more, we have bigger names are coming.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, our producer has just found the baby actor's name
Speaker 1: for us. What is it, Mickey shallow Mickey shallow Wick.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, remember that name? Well done, Mickey from me?
Speaker 1: Is Mickey his full name? What do we think?
Speaker 2: I think it's for Michelais Michelangelo.
Speaker 1: Well Well done, Mickey, your m's favorite stand out of
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Melchis yes, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Odisseus has to go off and fight the war.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even want to, but because like he's a bro,
Speaker 2: he has to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he knows that mum noon will because even
Speaker 1: though Penelope says like we could run, yeah, we could
Speaker 1: like sail away and just follow the sunset, and he
Speaker 1: was like, absolutely not, because you know what, they're going
Speaker 1: to kill every person in.
Speaker 2: And I know that because he killed his own daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just to get like a good wind.
Speaker 1: Just to get some calms. But you know what, when
Speaker 1: we see what happens to Odisseus, it actually was a
Speaker 1: good call. Yeah. Maybe Osseus should have Melis slashed Mickey
Speaker 1: and then he wouldn't have had all the issues he's
Speaker 1: had he has upon return, and this could have been
Speaker 1: a novella instead of like fifty pages go to Toy
Speaker 1: comes back strong Wind. No, it was all fun, okay,
Speaker 1: So we'll jump ahead to what's happening in Troy. Also, guys,
Speaker 1: As you guys know, the original poem goes back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth in like different time
Speaker 1: frames and narrators and all these different things, because.
Speaker 2: It's all about like people like retelling their version of
Speaker 2: the story of what happened at the Trojan War.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and the movie also jumps around quite a bit.
Speaker 1: So we're going to try and follow this through as
Speaker 1: much as we can, but just just bear with us.
Speaker 1: So in Troy, they're on the beach for ten years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy but also fun holiday.
Speaker 1: Yeah you said that a few times before. What about
Speaker 1: that's not a beach day, Like you don't get sunscreened
Speaker 1: and a drink. You're like knee deep in that armor
Speaker 1: in the water.
Speaker 2: They're working on a big project together.
Speaker 1: One war was like that most of the half they had.
Speaker 1: The reason they had to take such big armies is
Speaker 1: that half of them would just pass away from dysentery
Speaker 1: and sickness and like vomiting and diary before they even
Speaker 1: got there. That's why I have to take a lot
Speaker 1: of embarrassing what do you mean, Imagine going to war
Speaker 1: and you die and then it's because of diarrhea. You
Speaker 1: don't even get slain. No, Emily, that happens a lot.
Speaker 2: In history that I would hate that to be me.
Speaker 1: There's no good outcome in this.
Speaker 2: Just leave you at the beach.
Speaker 1: No, well, if you die in the way there, they
Speaker 1: just tip your wody over the side. Jeez.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and that's why he keeps getting in trouble
Speaker 2: because he's never burying his men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's obviously like a huge thing in Greek topology.
Speaker 1: So they get there, and you can see that Odysseus
Speaker 1: is like part of this plan of like pretending that
Speaker 1: the classic story, the classic switcheroo, pretending that they've left
Speaker 1: but actually being inside the horse that is then taken
Speaker 1: into Troy. And a kind of sad part of the
Speaker 1: movie is that sign On played by Elliot Page.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, also Oscar nomination. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: He was so misinformation that he was playing Achilles, who
Speaker 1: is in the Iliad not even in Yeah, in history,
Speaker 1: that is right, but wow, I don't want your mind
Speaker 1: is such a mess.
Speaker 2: I know, it's really confusing.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was out now that everyone knew
Speaker 1: that he wasn't playing Achilles, that Achilles is.
Speaker 2: Not in this.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Chill is not in this. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not history, completely different. We know what happens arrow through
Speaker 1: the arrow, through the heel, and then he's done. You
Speaker 1: know when they were filming Troy brad Pitt bruised his
Speaker 1: Achilles tendon. They had to shut the whole movie down.
Speaker 2: Well, that is what happened. He's like he was acting, he.
Speaker 1: Was all the way to He's like, my uncle hurts. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then the sad thing is that Synon was obviously
Speaker 1: tricked by Antinous played by Rob Pants. And who will get.
Speaker 2: To okay, okay, I need you to get to this.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, confession, I have a confession. We had to
Speaker 1: circle around diarrhea and a baby.
Speaker 2: I still, after watching this movie twice, I still didn't
Speaker 2: really understand and I tried to look it up and
Speaker 2: I'm still very complicated. To hit me with it on
Speaker 2: what happened with a tenuous? Yeah, a tenuous and sign
Speaker 2: On because I isn't a tenuous. He has been telling
Speaker 2: everyone that he wanted to go, but he wasn't accepted.
Speaker 2: But he was actually quite he didn't want to go.
Speaker 1: Yes, so aus Antinoous is what we call a war coward. Yes,
Speaker 1: so he was too scared to go to war and
Speaker 1: that's obviously really bad for your family. So he tricked
Speaker 1: sign On, who was the son of a servant, into
Speaker 1: going in his place, and that's what happened. And Onus
Speaker 1: kind of sees it happened, and he kind of allows
Speaker 1: it to happen, and that's also why he's very upset
Speaker 1: later on when he learns out that sign On was
Speaker 1: the one who volunteered to stay with the horse because
Speaker 1: he because in his mind, Odesseus knew that person would
Speaker 1: die and.
Speaker 2: He couldn't tell sign So Sinon doesn't know that all
Speaker 2: the men are in the horse and he's sacrificing his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've watched this movie twice. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Wow, No, because that's actually real shit, I know.
Speaker 1: But otherwise the war was never going to end emly.
Speaker 1: He was just a young look I to die, I know.
Speaker 1: But when odysse has made the plan. He knew whichever
Speaker 1: soldiers stayed on the beach because that soldier, he knew
Speaker 1: that soldier would die and in their last breath, dying
Speaker 1: men just tell the truth was his thinking. This is
Speaker 1: direct dialogue from the movie. This isn't like a hidden,
Speaker 1: hidden secret, and so whoever was out there needed to
Speaker 1: believe it. So they kill sign On and they take
Speaker 1: the horse into Troy, into the big gates of Troy
Speaker 1: that before that they had not been able to penetrate.
Speaker 1: The Trojan horse. Is interesting because it's not how we've
Speaker 1: seen the horse presented previously, where it's sort of been
Speaker 1: like outside the gates, like on wheels or like slats
Speaker 1: that you could pull. It's kind of like buried in
Speaker 1: the sand. They have to pull it in. And that's
Speaker 1: because for a moment there, Christopher Nolan was going to
Speaker 1: direct Troy, the brad Pitt Troy that you Love, Yes,
Speaker 1: And when he was sort of percolating in his head,
Speaker 1: that's how he imagined the horse. Yeah, so he saved
Speaker 1: it for the Odyssey. Interesting, and when they were filming it,
Speaker 1: all the men were actually in that horse on the
Speaker 1: beach because like it.
Speaker 2: Was dying, they like we walked around the method.
Speaker 1: Apparently it was super uncomfortable because there was water in there,
Speaker 1: and Christopher Nolan got in with them and he was
Speaker 1: shooting with his face came and they were in there
Speaker 1: for hours, like all wet and soggy and starving and sick.
Speaker 1: And that's just the actors. That's not even the soldiers
Speaker 1: that you were worried about.
Speaker 2: Wow, my god, imagine getting diarrhea in there. Oh please don't.
Speaker 1: That's unlike, there's so many reasons i'd be about at war,
Speaker 1: but like the germs, ger I could not. I could not.
Speaker 2: It would smell so bad in that Trojan Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're in there for like twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: That's why the people were so mad when it came
Speaker 2: into Troy. They're like, this smells gross. Take it out,
Speaker 2: take it out of our city.
Speaker 1: And so they pulled the holes in there. We've got
Speaker 1: to keep moving on because we're not.
Speaker 2: Let It was like a gift to Athena, yes, because
Speaker 2: as kind of like a peace treaty kind of symbolism, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was for the people of Troy.
Speaker 2: But oh, okay, okay, I thought it was like a
Speaker 2: symbol of peace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was meant to be like, it's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: like a gift. We're sorry that we've been trying to
Speaker 1: break into your city and killing people for ten years.
Speaker 1: That's how bad. We're going to get a nice ships
Speaker 1: and sail away, and we're going to leave this horse
Speaker 1: that you guys can take as like a symbol. And
Speaker 1: I think that. Yeah, they are putting it into like
Speaker 1: Athena's temple, and some.
Speaker 2: Of the horse looked good. Yeah, the horse.
Speaker 1: I can took it because.
Speaker 2: Sometimes see the dark oak.
Speaker 1: You see this like gross trojan horse, You're like, why are.
Speaker 2: Ye Troy Troy Trojan horse?
Speaker 1: Yuck? Yeah, don't bring that into myself. How would you
Speaker 1: bring that weird pokey horse here? Yeah, it's all of
Speaker 1: those things. You're like, well, someone's gonna have to take
Speaker 1: that out to the rubbish, like exactly, so don't bring
Speaker 1: it upstairs kind of thing. But this is no noble
Speaker 1: stea Like yeah, yeah, I can understand riding up on
Speaker 1: its own. I can understand why they pulled that, and
Speaker 1: I'm sore. Several men died just getting that inside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so many people died dealing with this horse. So they
Speaker 1: get the horse inside. A few men are killed in
Speaker 1: the horse when they're stabbing the sword story because they're
Speaker 1: checking that no one's in there.
Speaker 2: Even though they did stab a man and drew blood,
Speaker 2: he was probably just like, oh, there's some red painting here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's fun. And then at night time,
Speaker 1: under cover of darkness, Odysseus and his men exit the
Speaker 1: horse and slaughter everyone.
Speaker 2: Site best scene in the movie. Really, yeah, I love
Speaker 2: that scene. What the scene went, soldiers is killing each other.
Speaker 2: That's the best scene in the Odyssey. The like quiet
Speaker 2: creeping scene of like them creeping around.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you can see that in any No,
Speaker 1: that was movie. Now, That's why I love The Expendables
Speaker 1: so much. You know me, Oh my god, do not
Speaker 1: like heart pumping. I'm like, these boys are winning.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know if I should be on their
Speaker 2: side historically speaking, but I was in the movie.
Speaker 1: It's so important to point out that Troy is that
Speaker 1: wasn't a real battle that happened. There was no real
Speaker 1: Trojan Horse.
Speaker 2: No, So Troy is real, but everything else is kind
Speaker 2: of fake. Right yeah, okay, okay, do you think the
Speaker 2: tourism for Troy is just going to skyrocket? Now?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably we should.
Speaker 2: Go, we should care, we should go a spill trip.
Speaker 1: Transylvania, Troy.
Speaker 2: We need all the made up places.
Speaker 1: God don't get that stune. Okay, So then the battle
Speaker 1: is done and obviously we're jumping run of it here,
Speaker 1: and then Odysseus and his men they've got to sail home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this should be the easy part of the trip, right.
Speaker 2: You would think they didn't know because they didn't sacrifice
Speaker 2: a child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they see Agamemnon just take off with the
Speaker 1: blood of his child, just like pushing him along in
Speaker 1: the wind, and Odysseus, adventure that he is, says, let's
Speaker 1: not go that way. And the men on his ship
Speaker 1: this is the first time they should have got an
Speaker 1: inkling that this man was going to lead them astray.
Speaker 1: They say, hey, man, we should have just sail into
Speaker 1: the ocean without knowing. Because the other route was like
Speaker 1: the plan route where they knew which islands to stop
Speaker 1: at to get food. This one was just like, this
Speaker 1: is like going on a road trip and just not
Speaker 1: checking if there's like someone you can stop to get
Speaker 1: petrol exactly along the way, which I have done before. Scary,
Speaker 1: and let me tell you RACQRE and RMA do not
Speaker 1: bring like petrol or ten hour drive.
Speaker 2: You you were Odysseus.
Speaker 1: I have been diseus, let me tell you that much.
Speaker 1: But they take off that way and things start to
Speaker 1: go right. Okay, We'll get into the rest of our
Speaker 1: characters as we go through, as we meet them along
Speaker 1: the way, because our first stop is they stop at
Speaker 1: an island and they see sheep. They see one little shit. Now,
Speaker 1: they could have just shot that one sheep and eaten him.
Speaker 1: Although it is like five thousand men, so.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of men. This whole movie is like
Speaker 2: these men on a bode going land and then getting
Speaker 2: online and then going back to the boat, and it
Speaker 2: happens like eight times, and every time they see land,
Speaker 2: they forget what happened in the last island and they're
Speaker 2: just excited all over again.
Speaker 1: I do because when I sat down to like plot
Speaker 1: out my notes of how we would do this episode,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, how am I gonna
Speaker 1: put like how am I going to structure this into
Speaker 1: like plot points that we can follow? But my notes
Speaker 1: are like, find this island, this creature attacks, find this island,
Speaker 1: these creature attacks, find this island and the middle it
Speaker 1: just crew dead dead dead dead.
Speaker 2: Like people are dying left right. And yet every time
Speaker 2: they see an island.
Speaker 1: They're like another one. Yeah, like maybe this time things
Speaker 1: will be different. So they get to an island, they
Speaker 1: see the sheep, and then Odysseus because he's smart, he's
Speaker 1: smart and wiley. In the original text, he's a lot
Speaker 1: more of like a smart, wiley trickster in this. They
Speaker 1: tried to make Matt Damon just sometimes a bit too
Speaker 1: much of like an every man. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They wanted him to be very likable in this, like
Speaker 2: his character, whereas when I was reading like bits about
Speaker 2: the poem Odysseus and that, it's not that likable.
Speaker 1: Guy's mean half the time, people like he's mean. He's
Speaker 1: arrogant every man.
Speaker 2: He loves, he loves tricking people.
Speaker 1: He lies, he sleeps around. In this he is like
Speaker 1: he's not sleeping with anyone. Last time he was like,
Speaker 1: monster sleep with a woman. Monsters sleep with a woman. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this is whole The Odyssey is really just a cautionary
Speaker 1: tale against men and fake horses and the sea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: things to avoid.
Speaker 2: And Christopher Nolan's version is like these men are great
Speaker 2: look at them go.
Speaker 1: So they follow one of the sheep into the cave
Speaker 1: and they find it heard of sheep, so exciting. But
Speaker 1: then and they found cheese as well. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: cheese was not belonging to the sheep. It was belonging
Speaker 1: to their master, the Cyclops, polyphemous, polypemous. He has the
Speaker 1: name Emily. God made me look up the name of
Speaker 1: the baby actor. And you're not even going to give
Speaker 1: the give the Cyclops.
Speaker 2: I thought cyclopsis his name.
Speaker 1: No, a Cyclops is what he is. That's like someone
Speaker 1: pointing you going, I thought her name was human, could
Speaker 1: be not saying like her name is Emily. Okay, so
Speaker 1: disrespect son of Poseidon, yes, son of Poseidon, which we
Speaker 1: don't find out till later.
Speaker 2: So very loudly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was angry, Dad, he was so sad. He's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite. When I saw poly femous, And
Speaker 1: if anyone who has studied Greek literature out there, it
Speaker 1: is like, that's not exactly how you pronounce it. Guys,
Speaker 1: I am doing my best, and all I can say
Speaker 1: is I'm doing better than Emily. So let's just go
Speaker 1: with it. You know who I'm talking about. Let's just
Speaker 1: keep going. My favorite moment, one of my three favorite
Speaker 1: moments of the movie is when Polypemous appears on screen
Speaker 1: for the first time. I love that huge puppet so
Speaker 1: much and the site that he is not cgi and
Speaker 1: he was actually in a cave. Yeah, they should put
Speaker 1: that in a museum.
Speaker 2: That's a real big puppet ahead, they really should. When
Speaker 2: I first watched it, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: the cyclops is so scary. And when I watched it
Speaker 2: for the second time, I'm like, you know what. He
Speaker 2: was just minding his own business, tending to his flock
Speaker 2: of sheep, making cheese in his own little home, and
Speaker 2: then these men like men do, barged in, made it
Speaker 2: their home, started stealing his cheese and then started.
Speaker 1: Attacking him, and then got angry when he shut the door.
Speaker 1: And I was like, also, they're like ants to him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know they're humans with like places to be exactly.
Speaker 1: He's just eating the little ant things crawling around his house.
Speaker 2: They're eating his food.
Speaker 1: Just going to eat it, and so they're stuck in
Speaker 1: there for a couple of days, and that he keeps
Speaker 1: just like picking them off one by one, eating them.
Speaker 2: He eats like two at a time and then goes
Speaker 2: to sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's he's got like a dice at a schedule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like only two I'll say the rest of later.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's like he's got that life. He's he's
Speaker 1: stretching out his human snacks. So Odsseuse of his men
Speaker 1: make a plot that they'll sneak out dressed as sheep
Speaker 1: in the original text that you have to like hang
Speaker 1: underneath the sheep. Well, in the text they you're probably
Speaker 1: not at this part of the book yet where they
Speaker 1: kind of talk to him, Yeah, I have a dialog.
Speaker 1: They become almost friendly with him, and Odysseus tells him
Speaker 1: my name is nobody, which is a big plot point
Speaker 1: that isn't carried over in the movie. So it's very
Speaker 1: high stakes in the movie though, when the door opens
Speaker 1: and they're under the sheep and there this is like
Speaker 1: their one moment of escape, and before that they have
Speaker 1: like shoved that poker into his life. Why does it
Speaker 1: feel like it would hurt more having a poker in
Speaker 1: one eye if you've only got one eye, that it
Speaker 1: would hurt having a poker in one eye if you
Speaker 1: have two eyes.
Speaker 2: Well, because I feel like if if it went into
Speaker 2: I'm thinking for us, it'll be like having a two
Speaker 2: pick stabbed into our eyes. Yeah, well, at least we
Speaker 2: have another eye to look out. And that's so true
Speaker 2: because he doesn't even get to stabbed once, and then
Speaker 2: they get to stabbed twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, justice for poly Femus. I hope he gets a
Speaker 1: spin off.
Speaker 2: And like they escaped and he realizes they escaped and
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, well, I guess they're gone.
Speaker 1: And then he's like yeah, and this is I guess
Speaker 1: where and you.
Speaker 2: Know what, And then after everything that happened, Matt Damon
Speaker 2: deserved that.
Speaker 1: Okay, OUs, Yes, you're right. Matt Damon shoots an arrow
Speaker 1: through his eye because he's so angry that he's killed
Speaker 1: some of his men and that they didn't get to
Speaker 1: bury their bodies. And that's important because they needed a
Speaker 1: reason for him to like look arrogant, so that he's
Speaker 1: The punishment that happens afterwards fits because in the original text,
Speaker 1: sorry spoilers for all the books you're gonna read about this.
Speaker 1: In the original text, he always says, my name is nobody.
Speaker 1: So when he stabs him, the cyclops Polyfemous calls out,
Speaker 1: nobody is hurting me. Nobody is hurting me. And other
Speaker 1: people hear it, they're like, well, no one's hurting him,
Speaker 1: like pray just's like gotcha. But then as they're fleeing
Speaker 1: in the in the original text, Odysseus yells back to him,
Speaker 1: my name is Odysseus, classic man. And then that means
Speaker 1: poly Femous has a name to tell his dad so
Speaker 1: that his dad can curse him.
Speaker 2: Well, just just wanted to put his name on his work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in the movie, the other side of that
Speaker 1: is that that's when poly Femous chases them down to
Speaker 1: the beach. That scene kills two more men slices.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty much a disease. If he didn't do that,
Speaker 2: then you'd have two more.
Speaker 1: And his men are yelling at him, why did you
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 2: And he's like, because they should.
Speaker 1: Have known then he was a bad leader. And that
Speaker 1: yelling that you hear, that's almost on descript is him
Speaker 1: yelling to his father Poseidon to curse them, and he does.
Speaker 2: He does, And Himesh Patel is just like, what the
Speaker 2: hell's going on?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, obsessed with him so good.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect we've talked about this in a week
Speaker 2: and watch. But he is in the movie so much
Speaker 2: more than what I expected because I haven't seen him
Speaker 2: in many of the press tours or the red carpets.
Speaker 1: He's a big star. He's like another lead, way more
Speaker 1: screen time than like and this is all fits in
Speaker 1: the movie. But he has way more screen time than
Speaker 1: like Zendeya exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he should definitely get a supporting even if
Speaker 1: he doesn't, because so much of his performance is just
Speaker 1: his face acting. Yeah, and that's so hard because he's
Speaker 1: just reacting to everything that Odysseus slash Matt Damon is doing,
Speaker 1: and his face is getting more less trusting and more
Speaker 1: traumatized with each island they approach.
Speaker 2: And he is like his second in command, and he's
Speaker 2: grown up with him and everything, so he's known him
Speaker 2: for a very very long time. And you can slowly
Speaker 2: see like the power shift from the men looking towards
Speaker 2: him instead of Matt Damon.
Speaker 1: Yep, his aus by the way, Eurylicus instead of Odysseus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh thank god, right, good job. Okay, So then they
Speaker 1: get to another island, they're like, oh my god, that
Speaker 1: cyclop right, everything's gonna be fine. And then they're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that cyclops thing was crazy, but here we
Speaker 1: will get food. And this time they do go in
Speaker 1: a little bit more respectful. They are like they are larning.
Speaker 1: They see a child in the woods and.
Speaker 2: Second Island, Yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: The Second Island. And then we they say the child like,
Speaker 1: it's fine, don't scream. The child screams, and the next
Speaker 1: week and then tells like, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Matt Damon's like, I think it's a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the child. Then who are his parents?
Speaker 1: And then we see the parents coming through. Because this
Speaker 1: is the Island of the Giants.
Speaker 2: And this isn't This is what makes me go I
Speaker 2: love practical effects. I'm CG. I could never do that.
Speaker 1: It's so so they're in like suits of armor, which
Speaker 1: again is an interpretation I've never seen them in before,
Speaker 1: but it kind of works for the movie. They are
Speaker 1: men eating flesh eating giants, and they see Odysseas in
Speaker 1: his crew and they just viciously charge at them and
Speaker 1: start ripping them apart. And there's that really iconic shot
Speaker 1: that was used for a lot of the posters where
Speaker 1: you see Odysseus like grab his sword and put his
Speaker 1: arm up and one of the giants chases towards him,
Speaker 1: and you're right, that's not cgi. That's Matt Damon's stunt
Speaker 1: double in that shot with the big muscly arm, who's
Speaker 1: like a five foot two woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like all of the soldier in that scene,
Speaker 2: we're all stunt doubles who are mainly women. I've seen
Speaker 2: a big group photo of like all the women because
Speaker 2: they all have like beards and stuff, and all the
Speaker 2: giants are played by like seven foot tall men.
Speaker 1: Are all seven foot tall men. So that shot is
Speaker 1: a five foot two woman playing Matt Damon and then
Speaker 1: the yeah, the giant is a seven foot tall man
Speaker 1: just in his normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And watching it the second time after I knew
Speaker 2: this fact was just so brilliant, Like the camera work
Speaker 2: for that scene is brilliant because Matt Damon and the
Speaker 2: men they're like are only in the close ups, and
Speaker 2: then in the fire away shot you can, like, I
Speaker 2: guess if you're really looking for it, obviously, when we're
Speaker 2: able to tell right off the bat, but you can
Speaker 2: see when the stunt doubles come in and they're like,
Speaker 2: I think the artistry they do in the choreography of
Speaker 2: the like killings and the fire is just brilliant in
Speaker 2: that scene. And then the forest moves and the trees
Speaker 2: trap them. Yeah, it's like crazy and it just shows
Speaker 2: like there's no hope in that scene, Yeah, for any
Speaker 2: of them to win.
Speaker 1: And you see Odysseus and his men get back onto
Speaker 1: their boat and only just barely make it away, and
Speaker 1: then you see the giants complete, and then there's a
Speaker 1: scene where you just see Odysseus's faces. He watches pretty
Speaker 1: much his entire fleet of men, his army be just
Speaker 1: like ripped apart.
Speaker 2: All the other boats are shredded. Yeah, his boat is
Speaker 2: the only one that comes out. So then now they
Speaker 2: from like going into a giant fleet back to Ithaca.
Speaker 2: It's now just him a few of his men on
Speaker 2: one boat.
Speaker 1: One boat, and they are now two islands down, zero food,
Speaker 1: zero food things. Things are not looking good for our
Speaker 1: heroes at this stage of the game. So that then,
Speaker 1: of course, when they get to the next island, I
Speaker 1: think they're looking a bit islandland this time, they're a
Speaker 1: bit like at the time, they're a bit like m
Speaker 1: this is but they're starving, which is why Euryliculus tells Odysseus.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, you gotta stand on the boat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you're my boss.
Speaker 2: We don't trust you.
Speaker 1: He's like, I know you're my boss, and we've grown
Speaker 1: up together and you're the King Vika, but you have
Speaker 1: terrible plans. Mind the boat, you mind the boat. You
Speaker 1: your job is to guard the boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They've got a lot of inspiration from prior to
Speaker 2: the Caribbean.
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, in some ways the Odyssey is.
Speaker 2: Betel Is like Jack Sparrow. Yeah, and my damon is
Speaker 2: Willy Land of Bloom.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see it. So yeah, that Leva just hears
Speaker 1: to guard the boat because he can't be trusted, literally
Speaker 1: stays to do anything, and they're already just trusting him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, we have so much more movie to go.
Speaker 1: Things are only going to get worse for you guys,
Speaker 1: And they do. They do get worse. We're coming to
Speaker 1: my second favorite scene of the movie. No, my second
Speaker 1: favorite scene of all. Like, I have three favorite scenes,
Speaker 1: and this is one of the three. The other one
Speaker 1: was ply famous. My guy. They get to this island
Speaker 1: and there's it's shot so differently from the other two.
Speaker 1: There's an eeriness to it. It's it's hazy, like you
Speaker 1: can't really get a lock on it. The camera's moving.
Speaker 2: It very like just it's just stay safe.
Speaker 1: Very safe. But also I know I felt claustrophobic in
Speaker 1: that scene, like even though it's a big open island,
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is something, something's wrong here.
Speaker 1: That's when you know Witchcraft.
Speaker 2: Exactly, because they're walking up to they see so the
Speaker 2: reason they stop at the island is because they see
Speaker 2: is like smoke coming out, so like, oh, there's civilization.
Speaker 1: Someone's cooking.
Speaker 2: And then they stop at the island, they see it's
Speaker 2: just one house. It has smoke coming out. Someone's living there,
Speaker 2: someone's cooking there. So the men walk up there. Ossy
Speaker 2: is like, whatever, I'm going to find food for you guys,
Speaker 2: because I know you guys won't find it, and he
Speaker 2: goes hunting with his well, i'll show you. As they're
Speaker 2: walking towards a house, they see some exotic wildlife.
Speaker 1: And the wildlife is not acting like wildlife. There's humanity
Speaker 1: behind their eyes, but very much like there's a warning
Speaker 1: in their eyes, a mominous warning. They're watching the men
Speaker 1: go past is like a full lion and a tiger
Speaker 1: and things, and they just like, not like attacking the men,
Speaker 1: they're just watching them go. And the men approach this
Speaker 1: little hut on top of the mountain and they come
Speaker 1: across a woman who was initially quite terrified of them
Speaker 1: and begs them not to hurt her. Yeah, and also fair.
Speaker 2: Fair. If I was a woman and there, I'd be like, yep,
Speaker 2: this is my time. Yeah, I'm done, I'm done. I
Speaker 2: guess I'll die.
Speaker 1: A group of men approaching you, a group of men
Speaker 1: in armor, yeah, but just a group of a group
Speaker 1: of brewers together approaching you in ancient Greek times dangerous
Speaker 1: and in prison times also dangerous public, private, It's a
Speaker 1: bad sign, no matter.
Speaker 2: What world you're living in. So she's obviously terrified.
Speaker 1: And then you're really close to our guy, who's now
Speaker 1: the leader, is like, we're not going to hurt you,
Speaker 1: but we are quite hungry.
Speaker 2: We just want to eat, and she's like, I have food,
Speaker 2: and boy does she?
Speaker 1: And does she? Because oh my god, I love this
Speaker 1: scene so much, like it made my skin crawl.
Speaker 2: So she serves them. There's like soup that didn't look great,
Speaker 2: but I guess if you're starving, then they look very good.
Speaker 1: We're like, do you have something else?
Speaker 2: I'm an Emily Wilson. I agree with the food look terrrible.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's meant to look like overly appetizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, live on the island by herself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a fresh stew that she pulls into
Speaker 1: the bowls. They sit on the table and they start eating,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they become like in this
Speaker 1: trance where they're like shoveling their fead.
Speaker 2: They're like aggressively eating. They're choking on their food, but
Speaker 2: they can't stop eating. And then she kind of starts
Speaker 2: touching their faces, deforming them, making them turn into mythical
Speaker 2: beings which end up being pigs.
Speaker 1: It's such an incredible, unsettling scene of body horror, which
Speaker 1: is so different to all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the camera did not pull away from.
Speaker 1: Them, No, and so different to a lot of just
Speaker 1: like the more kind of straightforward like violence deaths, stabbing,
Speaker 1: being ripped apart that we've seen all the other scenes.
Speaker 1: But this is such a kind of slow, grotesque, unsettling
Speaker 1: moment that it feels more brutal than the battle scenes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're watching it, because you see her like pull
Speaker 1: at their faces and push their jaws in and they're
Speaker 1: feeling it, like they don't in a trance or anything.
Speaker 1: They can they can't move, but they can feel the
Speaker 1: pain of this. So this is Circey.
Speaker 2: We find out.
Speaker 1: A I mean, there's a lot of different interpretations of her,
Speaker 1: but she's both a goddess and like a witch.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they call her a witch because I am
Speaker 2: scared of her, and they should be. But she is
Speaker 2: a goddess, like she understands what's happening, Like she knows
Speaker 2: who they are, she knows what's happened at the walls.
Speaker 2: She knows like what their futures entail.
Speaker 1: And so she turns them into pigs, which is a
Speaker 1: childhood fear of mine.
Speaker 2: Being turned into a pig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you not seen the movie Willow? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 1: It's kind of into your family movie, but I watched
Speaker 1: as a kid. There's it's pretty traumatent, but I love
Speaker 1: it so much. It's a it's a fantasy movie. Like
Speaker 1: I've got a list of movies and I'm watching again
Speaker 1: now after the I mean I've seen a million times,
Speaker 1: but I watched the eighties Clash of the Titans the
Speaker 1: other day, and that holds up so well. And I
Speaker 1: watched Jason and the Argonauts. That holds up so well.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you would love it the like again,
Speaker 1: all practical effects so incredible. And I've got to rewatch
Speaker 1: Willow And there's a scene in that where an evil
Speaker 1: witch turns an entire army into pigs and it's really
Speaker 1: including val Kilma, who's like the hero. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: really grotesque. And as a kid, I would always run
Speaker 1: away and hide for that scene and like one of
Speaker 1: my sisters or brother would call me back when it
Speaker 1: was it still happen. So in the movie, when I
Speaker 1: was seeing Next to You and Teena, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: what's happening again? Like I knew this was going to
Speaker 1: happen again to me at some stage in my life.
Speaker 1: So she turns into pigs and then puts it out
Speaker 1: the pig yard and that's where they'll stay, yeah, forever,
Speaker 1: until Odysseus realizes that something is afoot and he tracks
Speaker 1: up to the little cottage.
Speaker 2: He comes to the cottage, and he's automatically suspicious because
Speaker 2: he's kind of seeing all the and for some reasons.
Speaker 1: Suspicious is like an eerie island. All these exotic animals
Speaker 1: are walking past him, being like go away.
Speaker 2: Oh, but he kind of knows because he killed a deer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and when he went to get the deer turned into
Speaker 2: a man.
Speaker 1: To a man who would also wrongs.
Speaker 2: And then he was just like, oh, no, no, I
Speaker 2: know what those boys are.
Speaker 1: Like, those crazy kids. What have they done? Now?
Speaker 2: So he as he's walking up and then they're like
Speaker 2: exotic animals for some reason when they see him, they're
Speaker 2: more vocal than we'll like, stay back.
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to tell him, like she's already
Speaker 1: turned your men into pigs, like running.
Speaker 2: Run, bro, But he does it. He goes in, and
Speaker 2: he also sees like all the armor laid out in
Speaker 2: the back. He goes in, he sits down, She offers
Speaker 2: him a meal. He looks suspiciously at the ball and
Speaker 2: just starts talking to her, and by like she's got
Speaker 2: the crow that's next to her that starts crowing crowing
Speaker 2: at him. And then the pigs are like banging on
Speaker 2: the doors. Are they're trying to say, cute brother, it
Speaker 2: is brotherhood. And then he just immediately knows he knows
Speaker 2: that they are pigs, and he grabs the crow.
Speaker 1: And he's like, is this your sister? I mean sure,
Speaker 1: she's yes, we get we get on better this way
Speaker 1: everyone who's got a sister.
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty sure. I sent that to my
Speaker 2: sister and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, you you should be a crow. Oh and then
Speaker 1: she's obvious and so the first time ever, she's like
Speaker 1: quite distressed. Yeah, and he also starts to reason with her.
Speaker 1: Here's my I have only a very few beefts with
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan this movie, because I do think it's incredible movie.
Speaker 1: What has Christopher Nolan got against a little sexy time?
Speaker 1: That's the whole reason we come to a book with her?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah really? In the original story, he seduces Circe
Speaker 1: and they have wild sex as a prank, no what no,
Speaker 1: so that she'll release his bitch, but also because she's
Speaker 1: beautiful and he wants to have sex with her, so
Speaker 1: he seduces her, they have sex, she turns his men back.
Speaker 1: He stays with her for a year Emily, and they
Speaker 1: have a child together. Where was that in the book?
Speaker 1: I mean, we can skip the child. We've already had
Speaker 1: a little biki the start. We're fine where's the wild sex.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see that.
Speaker 2: Not in a weird way.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I've had to watch so many men
Speaker 1: grunt and moan in this movie. What about a little
Speaker 1: wild sex.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 1: There's no sex in this movie and the story. And like,
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those widows who was like put
Speaker 1: sex in for no reason. But the original Texas women
Speaker 1: in it, that's your processing, that, aren't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like they didn't even like elude journey sexy
Speaker 2: time between.
Speaker 1: No, well, they were completely I don't know, it's Nolan's interpretation.
Speaker 1: They have completely changed the story, Like that's not the
Speaker 1: story here was so mad. So I don't know why
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan seems to be like quite anti sex with
Speaker 1: this particular movie. It's all in the original test. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to like make things up.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's got four kids, so he knows, he knows
Speaker 2: how it happens. I think he was just very much
Speaker 2: like this is action. This is about this man's story,
Speaker 2: and these women are really like conflicting the story for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he was old.
Speaker 2: That's probably why Emily Wilson was subset with it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because she was like, hey, I put the
Speaker 1: sex in my book. Maybe also he was so obsessed
Speaker 1: with Odysseus being like liked by the audience, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I would have like maybe liked him more if he'd
Speaker 1: had a sexy year on the island with Sircy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then it also would have felt like, does
Speaker 2: he really want to get back because it's having a
Speaker 2: really good time.
Speaker 1: Well, I think so. They had to make him a
Speaker 1: real wife guy in the movie. Like in the movie,
Speaker 1: he's a real wife guy, but he's just been waiting
Speaker 1: there by herself with a tapestry exactly. It's like they
Speaker 1: think we're not adult enough to understand that he would
Speaker 1: have a bit of sex along the way. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that is the original story. They hook up and he's
Speaker 1: like so smitten with her. He's like, you turn my
Speaker 1: man into pigs, but you know what, you're great in bed.
Speaker 1: And then they have sex for like a year and
Speaker 1: hangout and they have a baby together, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: I do have to go home?
Speaker 2: Wait and the men are still pigs this whole time.
Speaker 1: No, I do from memory, they do change it back. No,
Speaker 1: that would be the ultimate dec I.
Speaker 2: Love it when she changes them back because she's just like,
Speaker 2: back in your disguises. Yeah, like that is such a
Speaker 2: good word. They already are pigs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something to think about.
Speaker 2: But she changes them back and then she tells them
Speaker 2: about like the future of his trip, and she tells
Speaker 2: him none of your men are going to live. It's
Speaker 2: just going to be you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Poseidon's after you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because and she's like, you know what you did?
Speaker 1: You get going and basically says he has to go
Speaker 1: to Hades to find the way home. So then the
Speaker 1: men hop back in the ship. Back in the ship,
Speaker 1: they take off to Hades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where the ice water meets Bier. Yeah. I love
Speaker 2: that Hades.
Speaker 1: No, you don't. There's lots of different like stories of
Speaker 1: like Greek mythology where people do go down into the underworld.
Speaker 1: There's like ways to get down there without dying, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna be careful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they don't really go down there. They just
Speaker 2: go to the side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they go. This is different, a different interpretation where
Speaker 1: they meet Agamemnon, who they thought was at home in
Speaker 1: his castle, chilling because he went the correct way where
Speaker 1: he was actually killed by his wife Clytemestra. Yeah, played
Speaker 1: by Leipita Nyongo, who is so brilliant this movie, plays
Speaker 1: two different characters.
Speaker 2: I wish she had more airtime.
Speaker 1: I wish she did too.
Speaker 2: She plays Helen La Troy so brilliantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she plays sisters in this and they're both so
Speaker 1: powerful and she's get a lot of screen time, but
Speaker 1: she gets her point across cly Semesta is pretty upset
Speaker 1: with Agamemnon because he sacrificed their child to the gods
Speaker 1: to get some good wind.
Speaker 2: Can you blame her?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And she welcomes him home and that night in
Speaker 1: bed she kills him dead. Girl bust moves yeah, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. And her sister's like.
Speaker 2: This is like hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he meets the well, he meets a few
Speaker 1: people dead in hades, and honestly, there should be more
Speaker 1: because this man's got so many people killed.
Speaker 2: So many people, like all like all the soldiers are
Speaker 2: just there waiting for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and literally every soldier he's gotten killed, which is
Speaker 1: so many people. Haities just got all of a sudden
Speaker 1: go just an influx.
Speaker 2: And it's also like all the soldiers that he never buried, yeah,
Speaker 2: never put their body to rest.
Speaker 1: That's bad.
Speaker 2: So they're all just like kind of like, come on, man,
Speaker 2: we're waiting. We've been here for a really long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, solds are like in weird purgatory. Yeah. So he
Speaker 1: meets Agamemnon, who tells him to be careful when he returns.
Speaker 2: And also Agamemnon's wearing his whole like soldier getther. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you didn't even die in it? You die?
Speaker 1: Maake it? Did you put that on the way to hates?
Speaker 2: And I was like, we know you like it? You
Speaker 2: say in it. He's like, if I'm gonna go, I'm
Speaker 2: going with my helmet. The people who are on an
Speaker 2: imax can't see.
Speaker 1: When you go to the underwater. He's like, let me
Speaker 1: change my outfit.
Speaker 2: Yea, I need a mug, these fools.
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that? Like that's the whole
Speaker 1: thing if you die and you become a ghost, Like
Speaker 1: what you're in is what you wear forever. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you ever think about that? There's two things I think
Speaker 1: about getting dressed. Is it okay to be my ghost outfit?
Speaker 1: Something to think about? Am I okay? This is my
Speaker 1: marine comfy outfit today because getting on a plane tonight,
Speaker 1: my ghost outfit's got to be comfy. That's crazy. So
Speaker 1: one you've got to think about is this my ghost
Speaker 1: outfit too? If I get pulled into another dimension and
Speaker 1: all world and I have to go on a quest,
Speaker 1: will this be comfortable? Because you know, like in things
Speaker 1: like like the Nannia books and stuff, you just get
Speaker 1: ripped out of your world into another world and you've
Speaker 1: got to go on a quest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: You don't get time to change.
Speaker 2: That's so true. I would say no to the quest.
Speaker 1: Can you ever say no to a No?
Speaker 2: I would just sit down.
Speaker 1: That's how you die. But I'm already dead. No, no
Speaker 1: a quest and dying of two different things.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll die.
Speaker 1: You need to read more fantasy.
Speaker 2: I say, I say yes to death. Note of that.
Speaker 1: But you're in a good if you got pulled into
Speaker 1: another world right now? Yet to go on a question?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sneak is. I'm not a quest girl. I don't
Speaker 2: like walking.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, quests famously have a water so much.
Speaker 2: Walking, so much terran It's like not even like a
Speaker 2: nice concrete road. It's always like rocky hills.
Speaker 1: It's always upper hill through that.
Speaker 2: I could never be those soldiers, even walking up to
Speaker 2: Circey's house will be like, no, you guys go, I
Speaker 2: can't do it. You guys take it. And that's how
Speaker 2: I stay alive.
Speaker 1: How funny for at the end they're like only Odysseus
Speaker 1: lily like and me, I'm still on the boat. I
Speaker 1: never leave that boat.
Speaker 2: You'll never find catch me leaving that boat and.
Speaker 1: Rare, like if I don't like to walk. So I
Speaker 1: didn't see one island and I lived here. I lived.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's be off with you. Yeah, I'd rock that
Speaker 2: world at Troy, I'm like, I'll stay in the horse.
Speaker 1: The boat, stay the horse, stay in the castle, nervally,
Speaker 1: no question. Well, you would be the most boring hero.
Speaker 1: Your story would be forgotten because the whole time it's
Speaker 1: like it's okay if I die a terrible death, because
Speaker 1: my name will be remembered. And like if we take
Speaker 1: these stories as facts, which they're not, but like the
Speaker 1: names of these men get remembered, no one's remembering your story.
Speaker 1: Emily got on the boat, she never got the boat.
Speaker 2: I'd be like one of those beggars who come to
Speaker 2: Ithaca and just like stays on the steps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where the dog is outside. That would be just
Speaker 1: stay there.
Speaker 2: Well, guys, that's where we.
Speaker 1: Have to end it.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know you want to hear more,
Speaker 2: but don't worry. We have our Part two coming. Don't forget.
Speaker 2: It's so good, it's so funny. We just wanted to
Speaker 2: do the whole movie, wanted to include everything, so we
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