WEBVTT - A Brutally Honest Review Of The Odyssey (Part 1) 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.360 Hello, spill Is. It's Laura brodney keire, host of the Spill. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:05.840 Before we get into the episode, I do have a 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.800 confession to make and that is Emily Vernon and I 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:14.080 did something really, really bad and Emily, you're allowed to talk. Hey, 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.160 we're both complicit in this. So the Odyssey and this 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.360 this bit's not in us. The Odyssey is a famously 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.640 long story, one of the longest stories ever told. The 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.880 movie is over three hours. We tried to do this 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:31.240 Broodly Honors review in one episode. We failed miserably. We 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.000 talked for too long and as punishment for us, but 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.640 as a gift to you, guys, we've been told we 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.880 have to split the episode into two parts. 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.560 So this is a two part of Broodley Honest review. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.280 And guys, it is so word do we want to 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.479 talk about the whole movie and we can't. Guys, we 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.320 can't condense this. We tried, We've recorded it. It's so 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.640 good and funny and just off the rails weird. We 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:53.520 can't cut it. So it's coming too in two parts. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.760 So enjoy enjoying part one today and keep an eye 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.520 on your feed for part two of our Broodly review 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:05.160 of The Odyssey coming soon from Mama Mia. Welcome to 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.479 the spill your daily pop culture Fixed. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.039 I'm Laura Broadneck and I'm Burnham. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:14.640 And welcome to the long awaited two weeks brutally honest 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.280 review of The Odyssey. 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.440 Oh my god, I wanted to talk about this for so. 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.080 We have been desperate to talk about this. We have 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.080 tried in like in the office and things, not to 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.000 talk about this too much, or after we saw it 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.000 together in the IMAX, fighted our lives not to sit 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.120 near the front. And we usually do these reviews a 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.360 week after the movie comes out, but we thought because 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.200 there was such a wait list to get into cinemas, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.800 we would give you guys, know, people. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.120 Who are like on the wait list to see it 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:40.760 in November. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.440 That's craziness. Well, I hope those people are still listening. 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.480 Spoiler alert for Look, I hate people saying like this 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.640 story came out like a thousand years ago, like you 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:50.680 obviously don't know what Christ. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:52.640 It only works for us because we want to talk 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:53.280 about it. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.920 We cannot wait any longer. So spoilers for the Odyssey. 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.400 But look, we obviously aren't going to cover everything years 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.120 three hours long. I'll also preface this by saying that 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.240 often with our brilliant reviews, I like to bring on 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.200 a few filmmaking facts, behind the scenes facts, facts about 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.080 the actors. That's going to be light today. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:11.639 Yeah. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.800 Yeah, even though, well, I think we touched on it 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.200 more and now we can watch review of like the 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.200 cinematography and the practical effects and the cyclops head soxit 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.200 talking about that. So this is gonna be a bit 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.800 more of a looser Yeah, run through. This is like 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.880 men and monsters, my two favorite things. I've actually watched 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.959 it twice. That's crazy. Who did you see it with 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:32.560 the second time? 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.040 I saw it with a friend, Okay, okay, okay, Because 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:36.359 when I. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.520 Was my dad, God, my dad, I feel like he 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:40.680 would be interested in this movie. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:42.880 I know he doesn't like fantasy, he doesn't like fantasy. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.799 I think he'd be really into it because it's a 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:45.480 lot of action. 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.480 Yeah. I've heard so many people taking their dads to 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.800 see it. That's why I asked that, Because so many 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.239 dads to see it and they're like, love the war, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:53.960 I'm sure of the monsters nure. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.160 Yeah, that's good. I'm sure my dad's review. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:56.920 I just know it. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.120 But I wanted to watch it in another cinema. I 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:01.760 actually was the one who dragged my friend to watch 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.080 it because I really wanted to watch it for the 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:08.400 second time because I did feel like not everywhere has 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.640 an IMAX, Like we were lucky enough to go to 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.360 the premiere and watch it in the Sydney Imax. It 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.400 isn't even the imax as they filmed. 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:16.720 It for, No, it's even one of those like what 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:17.600 forty in the world. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.200 Yeah, Melbourne the only one in the Southern Hemisphere to 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.040 have it, and I was like, look, I need to 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:23.839 see it in their different cinema to see if it's 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.080 still like as good, because I think there was a 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.600 lot of controversy of people saying, if you're going to 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.000 film it an IMAX, there's no point watching it on 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.280 this on the smallest screen because you're missing like good 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.880 chunks of the actual screen. I watched it in palace cinemas, 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:37.960 so I try to find like the. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.520 Smallest cinema is a tiny cinema and it's like no 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.120 bigger than a normal like teasing screen. Some of the 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.760 cinemas in palacinema are like the size of my apartment. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.720 It's so small. It was like very, very tiny. My 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.480 friend was like, is this how big it goes? 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.240 I'm so sorry I did I did this. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.680 I was on the like ground boots on the ground journalism. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.600 I wanted to see it is as good. I think 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.160 it's just the cinema experience, which we said in our 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.120 Weekend Watch. It's as good like. It's not like a 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.760 subplot's happening in the sky, in the sky that we're 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.360 not seeing. In fact, I will say that even though 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.960 I watch it for the second time in the smaller cinema, 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.640 I was actually jumping a bit more because it's such 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.320 a small room. I think the sand was rebounding and 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:24.240 much louder the cyclops scream in the like smallert cinema, 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.919 I was like out of my skin. It was so scary. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:28.880 Yeah, I think for anyone if you're panting about not 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.960 getting IMAX tickets or you can't fly in Melbourne or 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.120 Singapore or one of the places the IMAX is we're 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.480 not asking you to do. Don't listen to those bros 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.479 on TikTok who are like, you won't see the movie. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:42.280 It's that you won't see the top of Likeamemnon's helmets, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.680 gotta frill You're fine, you see it from far the 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.880 minute he's close up, you don't. There's one shot you 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.440 don't see the top of Tom Holland's head. He's a brunette. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:50.760 It's filled it. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.720 Yeah, it's got like a tiny forehead. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:57.480 Yeah, it's all ends. Okay, So here we go the 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.720 Odyssey gonna say the Odysseus, yeah, and has an issue 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.000 where she's you're calling Odysseus the Lee character, right, you're 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.520 calling him Damon. No, that's his that's his given name. Yes, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.440 his government name's government name. Calling him the Odyssey, I. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.440 Keep calling him, and I keep calling the movie these 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:18.719 why did they do that? 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:20.080 What do you mean? 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.080 Why do they get? Why are they so close together? 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.960 Like the Odyssey and Odysseus. I saw a meme saying 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.320 I know why it's called the Odyssey because odd things 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.640 happen at the sea, And he's like why. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.760 I don't know if the original text by Homer says that, 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:43.680 or any of the interpretations of like ancient Greek mythology. 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.240 But you read that, Emily Wilson, I did. I've just 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.360 started that. I love it, and especially now that I 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.719 know her viewpoint on the movie, I'm loving it even more. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.520 She does not like the film. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.679 No, she does it for anyone who doesn't know. Emily 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:00.720 Wilson was actually the first woman and to write a 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.279 translation of the which just crazy because when she did hers, 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.920 it was like twenty seventeen and it was not long ago. Yeah, 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.640 and a lot of people like, that's their favorite version 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.800 to read. A few people like she watered it down. No, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.720 she didn't, just because she made it fun. And when 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.640 Christopher Nolan was making The Odyssey, he used that as 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.960 one of his primary texts that he referenced. And everyone 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.640 must be like, oh god, she Emily must be thrilled. No, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:24.120 she was not. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.120 She was not. She specifically wanted to point out that 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.440 there was no sex scenes and the food looked horrible. 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.400 Yeah, the lack of sex was such a sexy, sexy story. Yeah, 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.680 it was actually quite crazy. Okay, so we start off. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.920 We must start sorry for three hour movies, so this 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:39.640 will be a three our pod record. No, I wish 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.039 I would actually be love that. So we start off 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.440 with Ogysseus played by Matt Damon, the King of Ithaca. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.440 Are we thinking Oscar numb for this? Absolutely? 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.960 Yeah, I think it's time for Matt Daimon just to 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.480 get a career Oscar because he's one one for writing, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:01.080 for writing Goodwill hunting. He won one straight up the Teenager. Yeah, 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.760 but I think he's had so many since No, but 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.000 he's I think he's maybe been nominated, but he's definitely 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:08.640 never won it. He's never won an acting. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.200 This is the first time he's been a main character 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.040 in a Christopher Nolan film. He's worked with Christopher Nolan 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:13.720 multiple times. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:14.840 He pops up somewhere. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.800 He's always popped up somewhere. He's always had like smaller roles, yes, 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.520 and this is his first like major, big role. 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.960 It's interesting because Christopher Nolan cast him, not because he 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.240 loves working with him, and Christopher Nolan likes he's very 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.200 Ryan Murphy in that way. He likes to get his 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.000 people and keeps them on every project. But he said, 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.080 Matt Damon is the right person to play Odysseus in 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.960 his opinion, because Odysseus is like this warrior king, but 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.080 he's also in every Man in that you see him 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:42.960 go through like these terrible situations where he is like 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.240 but a man, and he's like it's like that Damon. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:46.880 In my head, I was like, say what now? But 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.480 then he said, Matt Damon is Jason Bourne, but he 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.920 also plays like in every Man, and he's like from 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:52.640 Boston and stuff. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.880 And I was like, yeah, it is very Matt Damon character. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.640 It's interesting because he is like one of the roles 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.720 of Matt Damon's career. And Christopher Nolan said when they 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.080 were like doing the fittings for the costumes and things, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.000 he noticed he had a tattoo in his army. He 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.000 doesn't like when actors have tattoos because it takes so 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.560 long to cover them up. And he was like you too, 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.920 like why would you have that, You're an actor, And 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.080 Matt Damon said, I'm gonna be honest. I thought my 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.840 bicep days were over. He's showing a bicep. He's like, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.400 now I can put my kids' names on there. Oh, 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.800 that's very not us. Feeling sorry for Matt Damon, that 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:22.560 rich white. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.400 Man, A beautiful rich white man. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.480 So yes, the King of Ithaca who sets off on 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.040 a wee journey to Troy, where he remains for ten 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.240 years fighting the war, leaving behind his wife, Penelope played 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:37.080 by Anne Hathaway. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:38.640 I also think Oscar Win for this. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.520 Yeah, potentially, I think definitely, no, definitely a nomination, whether 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.120 she'll win or not. I mean, can I just say 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.480 something controversial. I love Anne Hathaway to death. I love 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.200 her so much. She would much more deserving to win 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.720 an Oscar for this than lame Is. I don't think 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.280 that's the role. She should have won an Oscar for that. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:55.560 Sometimes things work out like that. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:57.840 I forgot you won for lame Is. But this role 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.840 was insane. Some of the monol and this were brilliant. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:06.280 There's just one part towards the end of the film 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:10.080 where she just is so passionate and so emotional, and 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.880 everyone in the cinema jumped a little yeah, big bad scream. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.000 Yeah yeah, I think I've heard the studio. We're just 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.560 like very conflict at the moment, whether in the awards race, 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.480 in the Oscars race to run her as lead or supporting, 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.400 because she's got more of a chance of winning supporting, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.880 but also technically she is the female lead of the movie. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.280 But then also if she's in supporting, she could not 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:32.880 she has There's a lot of women this movie who 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.920 could also be supporting, so they'll cancel each other. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.280 I feel like that's always a case of scares. But 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.040 then sometimes like the supporting actor role can be massive, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.280 like we're seeing it with the Emmy's right where everyone 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.880 is so deserving. But I feel like she could bat 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:46.800 lea it out as lead. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.040 Yeah, something, something to look forward. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.840 To, something to look forward. 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.880 To, come Oscar season. And then we also have Tom 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.720 Holland obviously plays their son. Later on, he's a baby 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.880 when Ojesse sets off on his fleet of ship to 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.280 I did know. I'm not giving that baby a second thought. Okay, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:08.760 is your takeaway. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.280 Breaking moment for that baby? 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.079 That baby had his chance to start them. Oh No, 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.000 I feel about what every other actor's name in the 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.560 whole movie bad. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.080 Because we've talked in length about how annoying it is 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:25.079 when TV and movies use like fake like crazy baby, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.400 and you finally get a real one you don't appreciate. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.680 Don't appreciate him. Maybe they'll run him in supporting Actors 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.040 he crawls up on stage to get but anyway, fun 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.760 fun aside. Tom Holland plays their adult son, Telemachus. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:43.240 Telemachusm Chus, Telemachus Telemachus. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.960 A good memory trick is give me a kiss, Temelochus. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:47.920 Give me a kiss Telemachus. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.640 No, and You're gonna have to pull it together because 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.400 we have more, we have bigger names are coming. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:53.760 Okay. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.360 Also, our producer has just found the baby actor's name 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:02.840 for us. What is it, Mickey shallow Mickey shallow Wick. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:07.640 Oh my god, remember that name? Well done, Mickey from me? 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.960 Is Mickey his full name? What do we think? 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:14.560 I think it's for Michelais Michelangelo. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.000 Well Well done, Mickey, your m's favorite stand out of 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:19.520 the movie. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.200 Okay, So Melchis yes, Okay, here we go. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.240 Okay, So Odisseus has to go off and fight the war. 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.920 He doesn't even want to, but because like he's a bro, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:30.680 he has to. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.080 Yeah, well he knows that mum noon will because even 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.280 though Penelope says like we could run, yeah, we could 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.520 like sail away and just follow the sunset, and he 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.280 was like, absolutely not, because you know what, they're going 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:42.319 to kill every person in. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.680 And I know that because he killed his own daughter. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.760 Yeah yeah, just to get like a good wind. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.960 Just to get some calms. But you know what, when 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.240 we see what happens to Odisseus, it actually was a 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:57.360 good call. Yeah. Maybe Osseus should have Melis slashed Mickey 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.360 and then he wouldn't have had all the issues he's 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.320 had he has upon return, and this could have been 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:07.600 a novella instead of like fifty pages go to Toy 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.520 comes back strong Wind. No, it was all fun, okay, 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.240 So we'll jump ahead to what's happening in Troy. Also, guys, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.240 As you guys know, the original poem goes back and forth, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.040 back and forth, back and forth in like different time 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.000 frames and narrators and all these different things, because. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.599 It's all about like people like retelling their version of 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.960 the story of what happened at the Trojan War. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.680 Yes, exactly, and the movie also jumps around quite a bit. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.080 So we're going to try and follow this through as 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.000 much as we can, but just just bear with us. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.680 So in Troy, they're on the beach for ten years. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.319 Yeah, crazy but also fun holiday. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.000 Yeah you said that a few times before. What about 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.840 that's not a beach day, Like you don't get sunscreened 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.640 and a drink. You're like knee deep in that armor 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:48.160 in the water. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.040 They're working on a big project together. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.240 One war was like that most of the half they had. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:53.839 The reason they had to take such big armies is 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.600 that half of them would just pass away from dysentery 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.920 and sickness and like vomiting and diary before they even 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.400 got there. That's why I have to take a lot 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.320 of embarrassing what do you mean, Imagine going to war 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.280 and you die and then it's because of diarrhea. You 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.720 don't even get slain. No, Emily, that happens a lot. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.680 In history that I would hate that to be me. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.120 There's no good outcome in this. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:21.480 Just leave you at the beach. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:23.480 No, well, if you die in the way there, they 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.520 just tip your wody over the side. Jeez. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.360 But yeah, and that's why he keeps getting in trouble 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:28.880 because he's never burying his men. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.120 Yeah, and that's obviously like a huge thing in Greek topology. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.479 So they get there, and you can see that Odysseus 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.760 is like part of this plan of like pretending that 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.439 the classic story, the classic switcheroo, pretending that they've left 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.720 but actually being inside the horse that is then taken 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.600 into Troy. And a kind of sad part of the 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.160 movie is that sign On played by Elliot Page. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.640 Oh my god, also Oscar nomination. Yeah, oh my god. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:58.439 He was so misinformation that he was playing Achilles, who 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:03.080 is in the Iliad not even in Yeah, in history, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.440 that is right, but wow, I don't want your mind 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:08.000 is such a mess. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:09.920 I know, it's really confusing. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.080 And I thought it was out now that everyone knew 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.360 that he wasn't playing Achilles, that Achilles is. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:14.640 Not in this. 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:16.559 No, no, no, Chill is not in this. It's not it's 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.480 not history, completely different. We know what happens arrow through 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.640 the arrow, through the heel, and then he's done. You 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.280 know when they were filming Troy brad Pitt bruised his 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.400 Achilles tendon. They had to shut the whole movie down. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.840 Well, that is what happened. He's like he was acting, he. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:37.760 Was all the way to He's like, my uncle hurts. Okay. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.760 So then the sad thing is that Synon was obviously 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.520 tricked by Antinous played by Rob Pants. And who will get. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.680 To okay, okay, I need you to get to this. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.800 Okay, Well, confession, I have a confession. We had to 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.400 circle around diarrhea and a baby. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.000 I still, after watching this movie twice, I still didn't 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.200 really understand and I tried to look it up and 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.120 I'm still very complicated. To hit me with it on 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:03.320 what happened with a tenuous? Yeah, a tenuous and sign 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.720 On because I isn't a tenuous. He has been telling 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.160 everyone that he wanted to go, but he wasn't accepted. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.040 But he was actually quite he didn't want to go. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.920 Yes, so aus Antinoous is what we call a war coward. Yes, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:19.760 so he was too scared to go to war and 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.480 that's obviously really bad for your family. So he tricked 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.000 sign On, who was the son of a servant, into 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.760 going in his place, and that's what happened. And Onus 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.640 kind of sees it happened, and he kind of allows 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.920 it to happen, and that's also why he's very upset 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.000 later on when he learns out that sign On was 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.800 the one who volunteered to stay with the horse because 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.040 he because in his mind, Odesseus knew that person would 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:45.040 die and. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.720 He couldn't tell sign So Sinon doesn't know that all 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.200 the men are in the horse and he's sacrificing his life. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.080 Yeah, you've watched this movie twice. That's fine. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.040 Wow, No, because that's actually real shit, I know. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.960 But otherwise the war was never going to end emly. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.800 He was just a young look I to die, I know. 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.680 But when odysse has made the plan. He knew whichever 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.080 soldiers stayed on the beach because that soldier, he knew 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.520 that soldier would die and in their last breath, dying 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.800 men just tell the truth was his thinking. This is 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.080 direct dialogue from the movie. This isn't like a hidden, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.480 hidden secret, and so whoever was out there needed to 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.280 believe it. So they kill sign On and they take 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:25.040 the horse into Troy, into the big gates of Troy 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:26.720 that before that they had not been able to penetrate. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.480 The Trojan horse. Is interesting because it's not how we've 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.880 seen the horse presented previously, where it's sort of been 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.120 like outside the gates, like on wheels or like slats 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.800 that you could pull. It's kind of like buried in 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.280 the sand. They have to pull it in. And that's 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.160 because for a moment there, Christopher Nolan was going to 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.120 direct Troy, the brad Pitt Troy that you Love, Yes, 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.560 And when he was sort of percolating in his head, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.240 that's how he imagined the horse. Yeah, so he saved 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.840 it for the Odyssey. Interesting, and when they were filming it, 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.000 all the men were actually in that horse on the 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:57.880 beach because like it. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.440 Was dying, they like we walked around the method. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.240 Apparently it was super uncomfortable because there was water in there, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.119 and Christopher Nolan got in with them and he was 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.520 shooting with his face came and they were in there 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.359 for hours, like all wet and soggy and starving and sick. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.200 And that's just the actors. That's not even the soldiers 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:15.920 that you were worried about. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.480 Wow, my god, imagine getting diarrhea in there. Oh please don't. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.600 That's unlike, there's so many reasons i'd be about at war, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.040 but like the germs, ger I could not. I could not. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.359 It would smell so bad in that Trojan Oh my god. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.040 Yeah, because they're in there for like twenty four hours. 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:32.840 That's why the people were so mad when it came 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.320 into Troy. They're like, this smells gross. Take it out, 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.000 take it out of our city. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.600 And so they pulled the holes in there. We've got 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:39.800 to keep moving on because we're not. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:44.600 Let It was like a gift to Athena, yes, because 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.320 as kind of like a peace treaty kind of symbolism, and. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.080 Yeah, no, it was for the people of Troy. 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.439 But oh, okay, okay, I thought it was like a 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:55.280 symbol of peace. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.920 Yeah, it was meant to be like, it's like, hey, guys, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.240 like a gift. We're sorry that we've been trying to 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.440 break into your city and killing people for ten years. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.359