1 00:00:11,149 --> 00:00:13,869 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,829 --> 00:00:18,349 Speaker 2: MoMA Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:18,349 --> 00:00:20,069 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,269 --> 00:00:20,589 Speaker 1: Hello. 5 00:00:20,749 --> 00:00:23,269 Speaker 3: I'm Stacy Hicks. I'm the editor of Mama Mia and 6 00:00:23,269 --> 00:00:26,149 Speaker 3: I'm also the host of our new parenting podcast, Parenting 7 00:00:26,149 --> 00:00:29,229 Speaker 3: out Loud. And this summer we're curating your listening with 8 00:00:29,309 --> 00:00:33,069 Speaker 3: a healthy dose of culture savvy conversations that parents actually want. 9 00:00:33,509 --> 00:00:36,709 Speaker 3: This holiday season, we're bringing you unmissable episodes right here 10 00:00:36,709 --> 00:00:40,309 Speaker 3: into your podcast playlist. It's your summer listening sorted. And 11 00:00:40,349 --> 00:00:42,429 Speaker 3: if you're looking for more to listen to, every Muma 12 00:00:42,509 --> 00:00:45,669 Speaker 3: Mia podcast is curating some are listening right across the network, 13 00:00:45,869 --> 00:00:49,709 Speaker 3: from pop culture to beauty to powerful interviews. There's something 14 00:00:49,749 --> 00:00:51,629 Speaker 3: for everyone. There's a link in the show notes. 15 00:00:58,189 --> 00:01:00,869 Speaker 2: Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast for parents who 16 00:01:01,029 --> 00:01:04,509 Speaker 2: don't always listen to parenting podcasts. Here we are again 17 00:01:04,589 --> 00:01:07,549 Speaker 2: with another week of parenting culture. And it's school holidays 18 00:01:07,669 --> 00:01:11,749 Speaker 2: and fuck like save us. 19 00:01:11,909 --> 00:01:14,949 Speaker 3: I'm Amelia Last and I am Stacy Hicks. What are 20 00:01:14,989 --> 00:01:16,429 Speaker 3: you doing with your school holidays? 21 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:16,909 Speaker 4: Mons? 22 00:01:17,189 --> 00:01:20,549 Speaker 2: Okay, don't be jealous, but this morning I went to costco. 23 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:21,189 Speaker 1: Oh. 24 00:01:21,229 --> 00:01:23,229 Speaker 5: I am jealous. I love Costco. 25 00:01:23,389 --> 00:01:26,269 Speaker 4: I've never been. It looks like wonderland for me. I 26 00:01:26,389 --> 00:01:27,189 Speaker 4: want to go. 27 00:01:28,149 --> 00:01:31,229 Speaker 2: Make sure you don't go hungry and just go with 28 00:01:31,269 --> 00:01:34,829 Speaker 2: a full belly and fully caffeinated. It is got such 29 00:01:34,869 --> 00:01:37,349 Speaker 2: a wide on pulling making side. And I've bought like 30 00:01:37,549 --> 00:01:41,669 Speaker 2: ninety six rolls of toilet paper and we're good. We're 31 00:01:41,669 --> 00:01:43,669 Speaker 2: good a ready holidays. 32 00:01:43,709 --> 00:01:44,909 Speaker 5: We're are re storing those. 33 00:01:45,389 --> 00:01:48,429 Speaker 2: We've got a big shed because I don't live in Sydney. 34 00:01:48,669 --> 00:01:50,629 Speaker 2: I live in a place where we have more room, 35 00:01:50,909 --> 00:01:53,149 Speaker 2: so we have the room to store the Costcoat toilet 36 00:01:53,229 --> 00:01:53,669 Speaker 2: rolls here. 37 00:01:53,869 --> 00:01:56,269 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love that your school holiday plants seem 38 00:01:56,309 --> 00:01:57,829 Speaker 1: to involve a lot of toilet paper. 39 00:01:57,949 --> 00:01:59,469 Speaker 5: Yeah, sounds great, sounds. 40 00:01:59,189 --> 00:02:00,749 Speaker 4: Like a rager, all right. 41 00:02:00,789 --> 00:02:03,429 Speaker 2: Coming up on today's show, What are You Keeping for 42 00:02:03,509 --> 00:02:04,069 Speaker 2: your kids? 43 00:02:04,149 --> 00:02:06,029 Speaker 4: Rihanna has some ideas. 44 00:02:06,029 --> 00:02:09,349 Speaker 1: And look, the childcare system is in crisis, but there's 45 00:02:09,389 --> 00:02:11,749 Speaker 1: a woman with an idea that might just work. 46 00:02:11,989 --> 00:02:15,149 Speaker 2: And de kids needs social media prep school because I 47 00:02:15,149 --> 00:02:17,349 Speaker 2: saw this thing on TikTok. It's a woman teaching her 48 00:02:17,429 --> 00:02:20,149 Speaker 2: kid how the brain responds to social media before she 49 00:02:20,349 --> 00:02:23,589 Speaker 2: even gets a phone. Is this the new pen license? 50 00:02:23,949 --> 00:02:26,709 Speaker 3: But first, before we go any further with the show. 51 00:02:26,749 --> 00:02:28,589 Speaker 3: This is a topic I really wish we did not 52 00:02:28,749 --> 00:02:31,069 Speaker 3: have to cover here, but it's pretty impossible to miss 53 00:02:31,069 --> 00:02:33,629 Speaker 3: the headlines around it. This week you would have seen 54 00:02:33,629 --> 00:02:36,429 Speaker 3: that the US President Donald Trump linked the use of 55 00:02:36,469 --> 00:02:39,029 Speaker 3: tail and old, which is what we call paracetamol here 56 00:02:39,069 --> 00:02:41,989 Speaker 3: in Australia, to autism in children. And I just want 57 00:02:41,989 --> 00:02:43,949 Speaker 3: to make it very clear in case you haven't seen 58 00:02:43,989 --> 00:02:46,629 Speaker 3: it everywhere on every new side in the world this week. 59 00:02:46,829 --> 00:02:47,709 Speaker 4: He's full of shit. 60 00:02:48,149 --> 00:02:52,229 Speaker 3: Every global medical professional has disagreed with this claim. 61 00:02:52,469 --> 00:02:53,829 Speaker 4: Obviously. This has caused a lot. 62 00:02:53,749 --> 00:02:56,469 Speaker 3: Of confusion and anxiety for anyone who's been pregnant or 63 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:58,789 Speaker 3: planning to be. And Muma Mia out Loud did a 64 00:02:58,789 --> 00:03:01,029 Speaker 3: full explainer on Wednesday. If you want to go back 65 00:03:01,029 --> 00:03:02,749 Speaker 3: and listen to that, we'll link it in the show notes. 66 00:03:02,949 --> 00:03:03,869 Speaker 5: That's all he gets. 67 00:03:03,709 --> 00:03:07,509 Speaker 2: From us, Yeah, Tarlie, moving on lap from one world 68 00:03:07,589 --> 00:03:10,109 Speaker 2: leader to another. In case you missed it, Format News 69 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:13,549 Speaker 2: zilland Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has written a children's book 70 00:03:13,629 --> 00:03:17,389 Speaker 2: and it was released this week. It's called Mum's Busy 71 00:03:17,469 --> 00:03:20,709 Speaker 2: Work and it's illustrated by Ruby Jones. Remember we cannot 72 00:03:20,709 --> 00:03:23,949 Speaker 2: forget the illustrators. They are very important, and it's through 73 00:03:23,989 --> 00:03:26,829 Speaker 2: the eyes of a little girl who has a working mum, 74 00:03:26,909 --> 00:03:31,469 Speaker 2: who brings home a big briefcase. She sometimes comes home tired, 75 00:03:31,829 --> 00:03:34,469 Speaker 2: she sometimes doesn't want to go to work, but she 76 00:03:34,589 --> 00:03:38,869 Speaker 2: always makes it clear that her child is her greatest work. 77 00:03:39,349 --> 00:03:42,549 Speaker 2: This is so curious to me, and I can't wait 78 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:45,309 Speaker 2: to talk about it with you both. I have duplicate 79 00:03:45,309 --> 00:03:48,789 Speaker 2: feelings about this because I read the book. I loved 80 00:03:48,909 --> 00:03:52,149 Speaker 2: the book. The book is part of our rotation now. 81 00:03:52,309 --> 00:03:55,149 Speaker 2: As a busy working mum myself, I found it very 82 00:03:55,149 --> 00:03:58,229 Speaker 2: helpful and very useful. But it is curious to me 83 00:03:58,949 --> 00:04:01,829 Speaker 2: that a female world leader writes a book on being 84 00:04:01,869 --> 00:04:04,749 Speaker 2: a working mum, Like what is that, Amelia. 85 00:04:04,829 --> 00:04:07,589 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love Boris Johnson's book about being a working 86 00:04:07,669 --> 00:04:11,469 Speaker 1: dad to all his illegitimate children, but forth coming, I 87 00:04:11,509 --> 00:04:13,789 Speaker 1: get why you feel weird about it. It's sort of like, 88 00:04:14,189 --> 00:04:16,669 Speaker 1: remember there was this trend a few years ago for 89 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:20,149 Speaker 1: books about how girls can do anything, and they would 90 00:04:20,189 --> 00:04:23,149 Speaker 1: be like profiles of girls. But then the publishers realized 91 00:04:23,149 --> 00:04:25,509 Speaker 1: that maybe boys felt left out, and so then there 92 00:04:25,509 --> 00:04:27,509 Speaker 1: were all these books published about how boys. 93 00:04:27,229 --> 00:04:31,869 Speaker 6: Can do anything, with like profiles of famous men throughout history, 94 00:04:31,949 --> 00:04:33,269 Speaker 6: and every now and then I pick up one of 95 00:04:33,269 --> 00:04:34,989 Speaker 6: those at the bookshop because I do have a son 96 00:04:35,029 --> 00:04:37,269 Speaker 6: and a daughter, and I think, do I need to 97 00:04:37,269 --> 00:04:38,829 Speaker 6: give my son a book that tells. 98 00:04:38,669 --> 00:04:40,509 Speaker 5: Him that he can be anything in the whole world? 99 00:04:40,669 --> 00:04:42,189 Speaker 5: Probably not? Probably not. 100 00:04:42,309 --> 00:04:44,869 Speaker 3: But I love this book. I know you'll be surprised 101 00:04:44,869 --> 00:04:47,149 Speaker 3: by this because she is my twin. I've been told 102 00:04:47,189 --> 00:04:50,069 Speaker 3: I look like to see a few times it's the 103 00:04:50,069 --> 00:04:52,829 Speaker 3: big teeth. But I love it because I think you 104 00:04:52,869 --> 00:04:54,189 Speaker 3: have to write what you know, and what she going 105 00:04:54,269 --> 00:04:55,669 Speaker 3: to write like this is how you get a bill 106 00:04:55,709 --> 00:04:58,109 Speaker 3: passed through parliament like that will not be a page 107 00:04:58,109 --> 00:05:00,389 Speaker 3: turner for the four year old. So I think it's 108 00:05:00,389 --> 00:05:02,669 Speaker 3: great and it almost I did see it and go, 109 00:05:02,789 --> 00:05:05,429 Speaker 3: oh good. That will give me permission. If she's a 110 00:05:05,429 --> 00:05:07,109 Speaker 3: world leader doing it, I can do it. 111 00:05:07,109 --> 00:05:08,309 Speaker 5: It's fine. I liked it. 112 00:05:08,429 --> 00:05:10,069 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a bad book. It's a great 113 00:05:10,669 --> 00:05:12,989 Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, if we just take a step back. 114 00:05:13,789 --> 00:05:16,429 Speaker 2: If Jacinda Arderne was a man, she wouldn't be writing 115 00:05:16,429 --> 00:05:18,429 Speaker 2: a book about how dad has to go to busy 116 00:05:18,469 --> 00:05:20,989 Speaker 2: work and the pool between work and home life, and 117 00:05:20,989 --> 00:05:23,149 Speaker 2: how actually the most important thing in the world is 118 00:05:23,189 --> 00:05:26,909 Speaker 2: being a great dad. That's just curious to me. And also, 119 00:05:27,189 --> 00:05:29,949 Speaker 2: Jacinda Arderne is not the first world leader to write 120 00:05:29,949 --> 00:05:33,469 Speaker 2: a children's book. So King John Ill who was a 121 00:05:33,589 --> 00:05:37,149 Speaker 2: Korean dictator. He's dead now, but he wrote a children's book. 122 00:05:37,189 --> 00:05:38,189 Speaker 2: Do you know what it was about? 123 00:05:38,349 --> 00:05:39,269 Speaker 5: What was it about? 124 00:05:39,549 --> 00:05:44,389 Speaker 2: It was a mercilessly violent book about basically North Korea 125 00:05:44,469 --> 00:05:46,909 Speaker 2: being the greatest in the world. And then Obama wrote 126 00:05:46,909 --> 00:05:49,149 Speaker 2: a children's book too, but his was a letter to 127 00:05:49,189 --> 00:05:51,989 Speaker 2: his daughter's which was very beautiful, but also this tribute 128 00:05:52,069 --> 00:05:55,109 Speaker 2: to groundbreaking Americans. So it's just interesting to me that 129 00:05:55,149 --> 00:05:57,589 Speaker 2: the female world leader has to write this book about 130 00:05:57,869 --> 00:05:59,709 Speaker 2: mum gilt basically wrapped up in a book. 131 00:05:59,989 --> 00:06:00,989 Speaker 4: And it's also like. 132 00:06:01,189 --> 00:06:03,749 Speaker 1: Do we want our children's books to always be teaching 133 00:06:03,789 --> 00:06:07,629 Speaker 1: such an explicit message? Sometimes I long for children's books 134 00:06:07,669 --> 00:06:09,549 Speaker 1: that can take us into a bit more of a 135 00:06:09,589 --> 00:06:14,389 Speaker 1: magical world, away from the grinding realities of being a 136 00:06:14,429 --> 00:06:16,109 Speaker 1: busy woman in the working world. 137 00:06:16,229 --> 00:06:18,829 Speaker 3: Do yeah, Sometimes you can just be a hippopotamus on 138 00:06:18,869 --> 00:06:21,029 Speaker 3: a roof eating cake and that's good enough. 139 00:06:21,869 --> 00:06:22,109 Speaker 4: Guys. 140 00:06:22,109 --> 00:06:25,309 Speaker 2: There's this mom on TikTok that started a social media 141 00:06:25,829 --> 00:06:29,309 Speaker 2: prep school for her kid. And I saw this and 142 00:06:29,349 --> 00:06:32,709 Speaker 2: I thought, holy shit, that is gold. Is this the 143 00:06:32,749 --> 00:06:35,709 Speaker 2: new pen license for kids? Do we all need to 144 00:06:35,749 --> 00:06:39,469 Speaker 2: sit our kids down and tell them what social media 145 00:06:39,549 --> 00:06:42,069 Speaker 2: does to our brains. So this woman's name is Jamie C. 146 00:06:42,269 --> 00:06:43,829 Speaker 2: She has an eleven year old daughter, and in the 147 00:06:43,869 --> 00:06:46,949 Speaker 2: first lesson, she walks her through how the brain works 148 00:06:46,949 --> 00:06:49,149 Speaker 2: and what the brain does when you're on social media. 149 00:06:49,269 --> 00:06:49,949 Speaker 2: Just take a listen. 150 00:06:50,189 --> 00:06:55,269 Speaker 7: Let's say that you post a video online. We'll see 151 00:06:55,309 --> 00:06:57,829 Speaker 7: it's like a dance video. All of a sudden, someone 152 00:06:57,869 --> 00:07:02,549 Speaker 7: says this is so cringey. When they tape that, that 153 00:07:02,669 --> 00:07:09,749 Speaker 7: commenter may have been feeling nervous about dancing in pop up. 154 00:07:10,109 --> 00:07:12,789 Speaker 7: They actually want to dance like that, like so confidently, 155 00:07:12,869 --> 00:07:16,309 Speaker 7: but they feel nervous, so they are typing what they're 156 00:07:16,349 --> 00:07:20,949 Speaker 7: actually like because they feel bad about themselves, like they 157 00:07:20,949 --> 00:07:22,709 Speaker 7: want to be able to do that. Or maybe they 158 00:07:22,709 --> 00:07:25,789 Speaker 7: were teased about their dancing in the past and now 159 00:07:25,829 --> 00:07:28,549 Speaker 7: they're just like, okay, well now dancing is so uncool. 160 00:07:29,429 --> 00:07:31,709 Speaker 7: Maybe they had a bad day and they're just putting 161 00:07:31,749 --> 00:07:36,669 Speaker 7: out their energy onto somebody else. Okay, that comment was 162 00:07:36,749 --> 00:07:38,629 Speaker 7: never about your dancing, right. 163 00:07:38,869 --> 00:07:42,029 Speaker 3: I loved the very emotive music underneath that, making it 164 00:07:42,189 --> 00:07:43,629 Speaker 3: sound like a movie trailer. 165 00:07:45,469 --> 00:07:48,949 Speaker 2: The comments in this were widely applauding this woman, and 166 00:07:49,149 --> 00:07:50,589 Speaker 2: I just want to throw it out there. Should we 167 00:07:50,629 --> 00:07:52,949 Speaker 2: all be doing social media prep school with our kids 168 00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:55,229 Speaker 2: before they're even allowed to have a phone. It's like, 169 00:07:55,309 --> 00:07:57,429 Speaker 2: please do this course in the same way that you 170 00:07:57,469 --> 00:07:59,349 Speaker 2: have to get a pen license at school, in the 171 00:07:59,349 --> 00:08:01,149 Speaker 2: same way you have to get a driver's license to 172 00:08:01,349 --> 00:08:04,629 Speaker 2: drive a car. Is it complete the understanding of social 173 00:08:04,669 --> 00:08:07,069 Speaker 2: media and the brain before you are getting a phone. 174 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:09,789 Speaker 1: I love the idea and I want to borrow what 175 00:08:09,869 --> 00:08:11,789 Speaker 1: she's and I felt very healed by what she said. 176 00:08:11,789 --> 00:08:14,349 Speaker 1: It's not about your dancing. It never is about your dancing. 177 00:08:14,469 --> 00:08:17,189 Speaker 1: It's about what that person's feeling. But I want to 178 00:08:17,189 --> 00:08:19,749 Speaker 1: flip this idea a little bit and say, I think 179 00:08:19,909 --> 00:08:24,149 Speaker 1: we need some teachings from younger people about how to 180 00:08:24,269 --> 00:08:28,589 Speaker 1: understand the Internet today, because I feel like the world's 181 00:08:28,629 --> 00:08:30,989 Speaker 1: kind of slipping away from me in terms of understanding 182 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:34,669 Speaker 1: Internet culture. And this was really highlighted for me with 183 00:08:34,789 --> 00:08:38,549 Speaker 1: the shooting of Charlie Kirk. It was apparent that the 184 00:08:38,589 --> 00:08:43,149 Speaker 1: mainstream media could not understand from what's Internet subcultures. The 185 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:45,429 Speaker 1: guy who's been charged with the shooting of Charlie Kirk 186 00:08:45,709 --> 00:08:48,229 Speaker 1: came from a lot of the explanations I was reading 187 00:08:48,469 --> 00:08:52,149 Speaker 1: were proven to be erroneous or wrong, because we, meaning 188 00:08:52,229 --> 00:08:55,469 Speaker 1: journalists who don't understand the internet subcultures of young people, 189 00:08:55,469 --> 00:08:58,549 Speaker 1: were jumping to conclusions that were wrong about his motivations 190 00:08:58,989 --> 00:09:01,149 Speaker 1: and about the corners of the Internet in which he 191 00:09:01,229 --> 00:09:04,349 Speaker 1: was living. I read this really great interview with the 192 00:09:04,469 --> 00:09:08,429 Speaker 1: journalist Max Read. He has a newsletter, and he spoke 193 00:09:08,589 --> 00:09:12,989 Speaker 1: with an elections analyst gen z member called ettingermentum, because 194 00:09:12,989 --> 00:09:15,669 Speaker 1: I guess often these people just prefer to use the 195 00:09:15,749 --> 00:09:19,029 Speaker 1: Internet aliases rather than their real names. And he made 196 00:09:19,029 --> 00:09:21,309 Speaker 1: the point that it was younger Internet users that were 197 00:09:21,349 --> 00:09:25,989 Speaker 1: able to contextualize the shooter more accurately than the media. 198 00:09:26,149 --> 00:09:28,189 Speaker 1: So I want to throw out there that I need 199 00:09:28,229 --> 00:09:29,949 Speaker 1: this course, but taught by young people. 200 00:09:29,989 --> 00:09:31,829 Speaker 3: To me, Yeah, I feel the same way, Like I 201 00:09:31,869 --> 00:09:35,469 Speaker 3: actually feel like it shouldn't necessarily be parents down. It 202 00:09:35,469 --> 00:09:38,309 Speaker 3: feels like it should be kids up, because it does 203 00:09:38,309 --> 00:09:40,309 Speaker 3: feel like we're chasing our tail a little bit, trying 204 00:09:40,309 --> 00:09:42,469 Speaker 3: to keep up with what they're doing. I read this 205 00:09:42,589 --> 00:09:45,909 Speaker 3: great substack that Mia Friedman actually recommended to our entire 206 00:09:45,949 --> 00:09:48,869 Speaker 3: MoMA mea team called after School by Casey Loss. 207 00:09:48,869 --> 00:09:49,629 Speaker 5: That's such a good news. 208 00:09:49,709 --> 00:09:50,789 Speaker 4: It's so good, isn't it? 209 00:09:50,829 --> 00:09:52,669 Speaker 3: And it just makes me feel like down with the 210 00:09:52,749 --> 00:09:55,189 Speaker 3: kids because it tells me all of the trends that 211 00:09:55,189 --> 00:09:57,589 Speaker 3: are kind of happening for gen Z and jen Alpha. 212 00:09:58,229 --> 00:10:00,389 Speaker 3: So I love it in that respect and that it 213 00:10:00,469 --> 00:10:02,189 Speaker 3: keeps you in the loop. But still I don't know 214 00:10:02,229 --> 00:10:05,189 Speaker 3: if we're like doing enough to actually keep up with them. 215 00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:08,869 Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if I completely agree with that point, respectfully, 216 00:10:09,029 --> 00:10:15,029 Speaker 2: because I think children's brains are not fully developed and adults' 217 00:10:15,069 --> 00:10:18,309 Speaker 2: brains generally are. And the stuff that we are talking 218 00:10:18,349 --> 00:10:21,789 Speaker 2: about is how the brain responds to stimulus, and the 219 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:24,509 Speaker 2: brain responds to various things online, and I think we're 220 00:10:24,509 --> 00:10:28,509 Speaker 2: seeing the research shows enormous rates of anxiety, depression, and 221 00:10:28,669 --> 00:10:31,189 Speaker 2: very poor mental health outcomes for teenagers that are on 222 00:10:31,349 --> 00:10:33,789 Speaker 2: social media, Like there is a direct link between the 223 00:10:33,789 --> 00:10:36,109 Speaker 2: two things. So I hear what you're saying about we 224 00:10:36,189 --> 00:10:39,429 Speaker 2: need to understand the culture, But I do think children 225 00:10:39,469 --> 00:10:42,269 Speaker 2: need to understand from like a brain lens and an 226 00:10:42,269 --> 00:10:46,829 Speaker 2: emotional lens and a scientific reactionary lens. Of what's actually 227 00:10:46,869 --> 00:10:48,749 Speaker 2: going on physiologically for them. 228 00:10:48,789 --> 00:10:50,869 Speaker 3: But do you feel like it needs to almost be younger, 229 00:10:50,989 --> 00:10:54,789 Speaker 3: Like at eleven, they've probably been around phones and access 230 00:10:54,909 --> 00:10:57,549 Speaker 3: to the internet for a long time. Like how early 231 00:10:57,589 --> 00:11:00,109 Speaker 3: do we start this? Is this like tech prep school 232 00:11:00,189 --> 00:11:01,789 Speaker 3: for kids? Like do we do this at four or 233 00:11:01,829 --> 00:11:02,389 Speaker 3: five years old? 234 00:11:02,789 --> 00:11:05,789 Speaker 1: I mean kids today will say the phrase like and 235 00:11:05,909 --> 00:11:10,749 Speaker 1: subscribe or subscribe to my channel pretty regularly. Yeah, And 236 00:11:10,789 --> 00:11:13,509 Speaker 1: I'd say that they probably need this kind of schooling 237 00:11:13,549 --> 00:11:16,109 Speaker 1: from the minute they start using that phrase yeah, because 238 00:11:16,309 --> 00:11:20,989 Speaker 1: what better entree into the hyper capitalist, hyper competitive, ultimately 239 00:11:21,149 --> 00:11:25,349 Speaker 1: very shallow world of internet culture. That's the perfect introduction 240 00:11:25,389 --> 00:11:25,909 Speaker 1: in that phrase. 241 00:11:26,029 --> 00:11:27,509 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're on it from two. 242 00:11:27,549 --> 00:11:29,309 Speaker 3: I mean you see babies in cafes all the time 243 00:11:29,349 --> 00:11:31,469 Speaker 3: sitting there on YouTube like they are seeing it, So 244 00:11:31,549 --> 00:11:33,989 Speaker 3: maybe we need to be doing like sign language for 245 00:11:34,069 --> 00:11:36,189 Speaker 3: babies around how they should be consuming it. 246 00:11:36,469 --> 00:11:38,869 Speaker 2: Quite seriously, though Australia are a little bit behind in 247 00:11:38,909 --> 00:11:41,869 Speaker 2: terms of media literacy, there's lots of European countries that 248 00:11:41,909 --> 00:11:45,869 Speaker 2: are a lot further ahead. They're teaching media literacy in 249 00:11:46,189 --> 00:11:49,589 Speaker 2: France and in the UK. It's part of the curriculum 250 00:11:49,589 --> 00:11:53,269 Speaker 2: to understand fact checking and research and what to trust 251 00:11:53,309 --> 00:11:56,229 Speaker 2: and what not to trust. And I know Brass Corbett. 252 00:11:56,269 --> 00:11:59,789 Speaker 2: He runs Newshounds, which is a squiz kids podcast that 253 00:11:59,869 --> 00:12:02,749 Speaker 2: teaches media literacy. It's a program and he did a 254 00:12:02,829 --> 00:12:07,109 Speaker 2: Churchill Fellowship on trying to get the government and the 255 00:12:07,269 --> 00:12:10,909 Speaker 2: Education Department to take this really seriously because we are 256 00:12:10,989 --> 00:12:15,229 Speaker 2: quite behind on teaching kids media literacy and social media literacy. 257 00:12:15,389 --> 00:12:17,989 Speaker 1: I didn't know that that's really interesting. I will say 258 00:12:17,989 --> 00:12:20,669 Speaker 1: that the New South Wales government has launched a program 259 00:12:20,709 --> 00:12:23,549 Speaker 1: called Dodgy or Not, which is being rolled out in 260 00:12:23,629 --> 00:12:26,749 Speaker 1: primary schools right now, and it basically teaches kids to 261 00:12:26,789 --> 00:12:30,269 Speaker 1: identify furdulent content online through gains. 262 00:12:30,429 --> 00:12:31,269 Speaker 5: That's cool and. 263 00:12:31,269 --> 00:12:33,189 Speaker 1: I think that's exactly the sort of step in the 264 00:12:33,269 --> 00:12:37,349 Speaker 1: right direction. There's a topic that is on the minds 265 00:12:37,389 --> 00:12:41,389 Speaker 1: of so many Australian parents right now, and that topic 266 00:12:41,629 --> 00:12:44,309 Speaker 1: is that the Australian childcare sector is in crisis. 267 00:12:44,589 --> 00:12:50,789 Speaker 2: It's massively complex, like the headlines around safety problems, childcare deserts. 268 00:12:51,069 --> 00:12:54,549 Speaker 2: Australian parents pay more for childcare than pretty much anywhere 269 00:12:54,589 --> 00:12:56,549 Speaker 2: else in the world. There's a lot of kids with 270 00:12:56,589 --> 00:12:59,109 Speaker 2: additional needs that can't find the care they need. And 271 00:12:59,109 --> 00:13:01,909 Speaker 2: then there's all the safety concerns Amelia. 272 00:13:01,669 --> 00:13:03,789 Speaker 1: Mond's I think that's really important and I just want 273 00:13:03,789 --> 00:13:07,109 Speaker 1: to add also the abuse scandals of foremost in the 274 00:13:07,149 --> 00:13:09,829 Speaker 1: minds of parents across Australia right now too, which have 275 00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:12,989 Speaker 1: cantributed to this perception that this is a sector that 276 00:13:13,189 --> 00:13:16,789 Speaker 1: is in trouble. There's a woman who might have a solution, 277 00:13:17,109 --> 00:13:19,949 Speaker 1: but she's very controversial. So let me explain her she 278 00:13:20,109 --> 00:13:21,749 Speaker 1: is and then we can get into what she believes. 279 00:13:22,109 --> 00:13:24,869 Speaker 1: Her name is Virginia tap Scott. She is an Australian 280 00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:28,949 Speaker 1: mum of four. She is a freelance journalist, although I 281 00:13:28,989 --> 00:13:31,349 Speaker 1: think that her sort of identity in the media is 282 00:13:31,389 --> 00:13:34,069 Speaker 1: as a stay at home mum. She lives in regional 283 00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:37,189 Speaker 1: New South Wales. So she gave an interview this week 284 00:13:37,189 --> 00:13:38,789 Speaker 1: because she's got a new book out in the City 285 00:13:38,869 --> 00:13:42,189 Speaker 1: Morning Herald and Age newspapers and it's got the title 286 00:13:42,269 --> 00:13:45,349 Speaker 1: people don't want to have this debate Virginia tap Scot's 287 00:13:45,469 --> 00:13:46,989 Speaker 1: uncomfortable crusade. 288 00:13:47,189 --> 00:13:48,469 Speaker 2: Why is she controversial? 289 00:13:48,789 --> 00:13:49,469 Speaker 5: This is the thing. 290 00:13:49,589 --> 00:13:52,789 Speaker 1: So Virginia tap Scott says, and gird your lawin's here 291 00:13:52,829 --> 00:13:55,229 Speaker 1: because this is going to be confronting to some people. 292 00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:58,509 Speaker 1: Listening to this, it was certainly confronting to me. Virginia 293 00:13:58,549 --> 00:14:00,749 Speaker 1: tap Scott's key idea is that we need to start 294 00:14:00,829 --> 00:14:03,829 Speaker 1: valuing cares, and we need to start valuing them in 295 00:14:03,869 --> 00:14:06,829 Speaker 1: financial terms. Just like we expect other people who do 296 00:14:06,869 --> 00:14:09,269 Speaker 1: a job to be paid, we should be also treating 297 00:14:09,389 --> 00:14:12,589 Speaker 1: people who care for children the same way. Her catch 298 00:14:12,709 --> 00:14:16,229 Speaker 1: is that she wants children under the age of two 299 00:14:16,669 --> 00:14:19,709 Speaker 1: to be cared for at home, ideally by a single person, 300 00:14:19,949 --> 00:14:22,909 Speaker 1: ideally by a parent. She does not think that children 301 00:14:23,029 --> 00:14:26,229 Speaker 1: under two should be in institutional childcare settings. 302 00:14:26,269 --> 00:14:28,909 Speaker 2: And is this her just saying this because she's a journalist, right, 303 00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:30,189 Speaker 2: She's done the research on. 304 00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:32,429 Speaker 5: This, so she brings plenty of studies to the table. 305 00:14:32,509 --> 00:14:34,389 Speaker 1: I will say that, you know, in these kinds of 306 00:14:34,429 --> 00:14:38,109 Speaker 1: incredibly complex topics, there does seem to be an ability 307 00:14:38,149 --> 00:14:40,829 Speaker 1: to cherry pick studies that confirm your point of view. Now, 308 00:14:40,829 --> 00:14:43,949 Speaker 1: she certainly brings studies that she says confirms her point 309 00:14:43,949 --> 00:14:45,509 Speaker 1: of view that it is better for the child to 310 00:14:45,549 --> 00:14:48,149 Speaker 1: be under the care of a single person under the 311 00:14:48,229 --> 00:14:48,749 Speaker 1: age of two. 312 00:14:48,869 --> 00:14:52,869 Speaker 3: But stating the obvious here, but that's not always possible, right, Like, 313 00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:54,749 Speaker 3: I know you're in the same boat as me, that 314 00:14:54,789 --> 00:14:57,069 Speaker 3: would have not been an option for me in my 315 00:14:57,149 --> 00:14:59,269 Speaker 3: family arrangement. So it's all well and good to say, 316 00:14:59,349 --> 00:15:01,909 Speaker 3: but how do we actually make that work well? 317 00:15:01,949 --> 00:15:03,909 Speaker 1: And also, frankly, it makes me feel like shit. 318 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:05,389 Speaker 5: Yeah, like this is why. 319 00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:08,989 Speaker 1: I feel really uncomfortable bringing her up. But the reason 320 00:15:09,029 --> 00:15:12,149 Speaker 1: I am is because she says this could help solve 321 00:15:12,229 --> 00:15:14,709 Speaker 1: the childcare problem, and we can't go on like this. 322 00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:18,589 Speaker 1: Here's what Virginia would say, when you take children out 323 00:15:18,709 --> 00:15:20,549 Speaker 1: of the home and out of the care of a 324 00:15:20,629 --> 00:15:24,549 Speaker 1: single person into an institutionalized setting before they turn two, 325 00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:28,229 Speaker 1: you are not giving them the best opportunities. Now again, 326 00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:30,189 Speaker 1: I want to tell you how confronting that is for 327 00:15:30,229 --> 00:15:32,549 Speaker 1: me to say that, And I don't think Virginia intends 328 00:15:32,589 --> 00:15:35,029 Speaker 1: to make mothers who work outside the home feel bad. 329 00:15:35,109 --> 00:15:37,869 Speaker 1: In fact, her bigger point is that we need to 330 00:15:37,909 --> 00:15:43,949 Speaker 1: start valuing care work, and yes, that means incentivizing financially 331 00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:47,109 Speaker 1: the care of both the very young and the very old. 332 00:15:47,229 --> 00:15:50,189 Speaker 1: We need to stop pushing that care aside and saying 333 00:15:50,189 --> 00:15:52,029 Speaker 1: that it doesn't bring value to society. 334 00:15:52,229 --> 00:15:53,109 Speaker 5: Yeah, because it does. 335 00:15:53,309 --> 00:15:54,869 Speaker 3: That was the thing that stuck out to me the 336 00:15:54,869 --> 00:15:57,589 Speaker 3: most from her argument that I actually thought was very 337 00:15:57,629 --> 00:16:00,029 Speaker 3: true and something we're all guilty of. She said, I'm 338 00:16:00,029 --> 00:16:02,109 Speaker 3: a product of a culture where my self worth is 339 00:16:02,149 --> 00:16:05,309 Speaker 3: derived from our paid contributions. And I think like if 340 00:16:05,309 --> 00:16:07,029 Speaker 3: someone asked me, if I was at a dinner party 341 00:16:07,029 --> 00:16:08,869 Speaker 3: and someone said to me, what do you do, I 342 00:16:08,869 --> 00:16:11,149 Speaker 3: would say my job title. I would say that I 343 00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:13,389 Speaker 3: am a parent the other half of the week, because 344 00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:15,549 Speaker 3: I feel like, in the back of my mind, whether 345 00:16:15,549 --> 00:16:18,709 Speaker 3: that's right or wrong, I feel like that brings value 346 00:16:18,789 --> 00:16:19,789 Speaker 3: and that I offer something. 347 00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:21,749 Speaker 4: But that's absolutely not true. 348 00:16:21,789 --> 00:16:23,869 Speaker 3: Like the work that women are doing, all the work 349 00:16:23,909 --> 00:16:26,789 Speaker 3: that people are doing inside the home raising those children 350 00:16:26,789 --> 00:16:28,909 Speaker 3: full time is sometimes a lot harder than what I'm 351 00:16:28,909 --> 00:16:29,669 Speaker 3: doing in a job. 352 00:16:30,149 --> 00:16:32,589 Speaker 5: So here's what it might look like in concrete terms. 353 00:16:32,589 --> 00:16:35,349 Speaker 1: To sort of support what she's saying, Maybe we need 354 00:16:35,389 --> 00:16:40,109 Speaker 1: to think about making parental leave much longer for both 355 00:16:40,309 --> 00:16:41,309 Speaker 1: men and women. 356 00:16:41,469 --> 00:16:43,029 Speaker 5: Yeah, much much longer. 357 00:16:43,349 --> 00:16:47,549 Speaker 1: And instead of sending government subsidies to childcare centers, what 358 00:16:47,669 --> 00:16:50,389 Speaker 1: virgin you would advocate for is using that money to 359 00:16:50,509 --> 00:16:54,309 Speaker 1: pay parents of all genders to stay home. 360 00:16:54,749 --> 00:16:59,149 Speaker 2: Okay, So I read the parliamentary submission of Virginia's collective. 361 00:16:59,189 --> 00:17:02,229 Speaker 2: It's called the Parent's Work Collective. Because I wanted to 362 00:17:02,229 --> 00:17:06,029 Speaker 2: try and understand more wholly the argument, and I got 363 00:17:06,029 --> 00:17:09,829 Speaker 2: to say, I don't hate it, Like arguing that caregiving 364 00:17:09,869 --> 00:17:13,509 Speaker 2: needs it's more infrastructure is a good thing to argue, 365 00:17:13,709 --> 00:17:15,349 Speaker 2: Like I don't know how you felt when you came 366 00:17:15,349 --> 00:17:17,989 Speaker 2: back to work, but that wrench of when you first 367 00:17:17,989 --> 00:17:19,869 Speaker 2: return to work after having a baby, and it's going 368 00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:22,029 Speaker 2: to be different for everyone. I'll say that some women 369 00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:24,629 Speaker 2: can't wait to get back to work, but for the 370 00:17:24,629 --> 00:17:28,629 Speaker 2: majority of me and my friends, that period is so difficult. 371 00:17:28,709 --> 00:17:31,589 Speaker 2: And I think what they're arguing is, what if we 372 00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:34,869 Speaker 2: had twelve months of paid parental leave instead of three. 373 00:17:35,149 --> 00:17:38,549 Speaker 2: What if there was more paternal parenting leave. What if 374 00:17:38,869 --> 00:17:41,669 Speaker 2: once you return to work part time, which a lot 375 00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:44,109 Speaker 2: of women do, which is kind of this motherhood penalty. 376 00:17:44,429 --> 00:17:47,109 Speaker 2: What if we gave a parental allowance if you're working 377 00:17:47,149 --> 00:17:50,389 Speaker 2: part time. The thing that I thought was interesting in 378 00:17:50,429 --> 00:17:53,749 Speaker 2: this parliamentary submission was this is what it says. There's 379 00:17:53,749 --> 00:17:56,189 Speaker 2: a great quote that always sticks with me by philosopher 380 00:17:56,349 --> 00:18:02,309 Speaker 2: Arthur Schoppenhauer. All truth passes through three stages. First it's ridiculed, 381 00:18:02,469 --> 00:18:05,869 Speaker 2: Second it's violently opposed, and third it's accepted. As being 382 00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:09,749 Speaker 2: self evident. I think we're somewhere between stages one and two. 383 00:18:09,869 --> 00:18:13,109 Speaker 2: The idea that care work could be valued and well supported, 384 00:18:13,549 --> 00:18:15,869 Speaker 2: and that the season of life in which we have 385 00:18:16,069 --> 00:18:20,269 Speaker 2: babies be melded much more seamlessly into paid work is 386 00:18:20,349 --> 00:18:24,229 Speaker 2: probably somewhere between stages one two. But together we can 387 00:18:24,269 --> 00:18:28,429 Speaker 2: move this to stage three, where supporting mothers and supporting 388 00:18:28,469 --> 00:18:31,429 Speaker 2: care work is incredibly beneficial to the well being of mums, 389 00:18:31,509 --> 00:18:34,589 Speaker 2: babies and families and society at large. So, to put 390 00:18:34,589 --> 00:18:37,789 Speaker 2: it crudely, what Virginia, Tapscot and the Parents Work collective 391 00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:40,309 Speaker 2: us saying is what if we treated stay at home 392 00:18:40,389 --> 00:18:43,349 Speaker 2: mums the same way that we would treat roads or 393 00:18:43,349 --> 00:18:46,309 Speaker 2: hospitals like a basic piece of national infrastructure. 394 00:18:46,589 --> 00:18:47,869 Speaker 4: But would you want to? 395 00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:51,629 Speaker 3: That's the thing that's not part of the argument is that, yes, 396 00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:53,429 Speaker 3: it would be great to have the option. Do you 397 00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:55,789 Speaker 3: want to? And some people don't want to, and it's 398 00:18:56,309 --> 00:18:59,389 Speaker 3: compulsory stay sy It's not compulsory. This is about actually 399 00:18:59,429 --> 00:19:00,909 Speaker 3: just giving people the choice to do it. 400 00:19:00,989 --> 00:19:02,269 Speaker 2: Yeah, not everyone has to do it. 401 00:19:02,469 --> 00:19:05,189 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works having brought 402 00:19:05,229 --> 00:19:08,629 Speaker 1: this subject to the table, which is that in Scandinavian 403 00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:12,509 Speaker 1: countries where they have increased parental leave for fathers, they 404 00:19:12,709 --> 00:19:15,989 Speaker 1: found that fathers still don't take even the full very 405 00:19:16,069 --> 00:19:19,469 Speaker 1: generous parental leaves that they are given. The dads are 406 00:19:19,469 --> 00:19:22,189 Speaker 1: not taking the full leave, and now some countries have 407 00:19:22,229 --> 00:19:25,469 Speaker 1: had to introduce all these convoluted rules to force them 408 00:19:25,469 --> 00:19:28,909 Speaker 1: to basically saying, if the dad takes his full allowance, 409 00:19:29,109 --> 00:19:31,549 Speaker 1: then the mom gets sort of some bonus months, like 410 00:19:31,629 --> 00:19:34,149 Speaker 1: all these incentives on top of the generous parental leave. 411 00:19:34,709 --> 00:19:37,829 Speaker 1: So the problem with I think what Virginia's saying is, yes, 412 00:19:37,949 --> 00:19:40,509 Speaker 1: she says this could be any parents staying at home, 413 00:19:40,909 --> 00:19:43,789 Speaker 1: but we all know that in the majority of cases, 414 00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:46,909 Speaker 1: for all sorts of complicated cultural reasons to do with 415 00:19:46,989 --> 00:19:50,069 Speaker 1: how we stereotype people, it's going to be the mom 416 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:50,949 Speaker 1: staying at home. 417 00:19:51,509 --> 00:19:52,869 Speaker 5: I think those are some great ideas. 418 00:19:52,869 --> 00:19:55,749 Speaker 1: Once love the idea of that bridging payment between paid 419 00:19:55,749 --> 00:19:58,989 Speaker 1: work and unpaid work, But her career is the one 420 00:19:58,989 --> 00:20:01,909 Speaker 1: that's going to be damaged. Her financial independence is going 421 00:20:01,989 --> 00:20:04,109 Speaker 1: to be jeopardized by staying at home, and we're going 422 00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:06,509 Speaker 1: to have fewer women who are heads of companies, sitting 423 00:20:06,509 --> 00:20:09,149 Speaker 1: on company boards and even like to center our journal 424 00:20:09,189 --> 00:20:09,989 Speaker 1: leading the country. 425 00:20:10,229 --> 00:20:13,549 Speaker 2: But that's already happening. To your point about the Nordic 426 00:20:13,589 --> 00:20:16,309 Speaker 2: countries that are doing this. I listened to this great 427 00:20:16,349 --> 00:20:18,549 Speaker 2: podcast that was made by Future Women. They did a 428 00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:22,189 Speaker 2: whole three part series on the childcare crisis, and they 429 00:20:22,309 --> 00:20:23,909 Speaker 2: talked to a lot of experts and one of them 430 00:20:24,029 --> 00:20:27,989 Speaker 2: said that those countries where they do have support a 431 00:20:28,029 --> 00:20:31,789 Speaker 2: transition from mothers back into work and more paid parentally, 432 00:20:31,949 --> 00:20:34,389 Speaker 2: do see higher rates of women in leadership roles, of 433 00:20:34,429 --> 00:20:37,389 Speaker 2: women in executive roles, of women working full time, and 434 00:20:37,469 --> 00:20:40,269 Speaker 2: full time women working means more tax players. Like it's 435 00:20:40,949 --> 00:20:43,389 Speaker 2: they talk to this. There's this Nobel Prize winning economist 436 00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:46,949 Speaker 2: James Heckman, and he said every dollar spent in quality 437 00:20:47,069 --> 00:20:51,949 Speaker 2: early childhood education yields between seven and twelve dollars back 438 00:20:51,989 --> 00:20:52,709 Speaker 2: to society. 439 00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:55,709 Speaker 1: I think, but he's not talking about stay at home 440 00:20:55,789 --> 00:20:59,789 Speaker 1: parents there. He's talking about investing in high quality early 441 00:20:59,869 --> 00:21:00,829 Speaker 1: childhood education. 442 00:21:01,389 --> 00:21:03,549 Speaker 3: That's a great idea, and I think it also would 443 00:21:03,549 --> 00:21:06,069 Speaker 3: go a long way in terms of showing value to 444 00:21:06,109 --> 00:21:08,149 Speaker 3: those women that are choosing to stay at home or 445 00:21:08,189 --> 00:21:10,229 Speaker 3: have made arrangements to be able to do that, to 446 00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:13,149 Speaker 3: stay at home, like they have been forgotten in a 447 00:21:13,149 --> 00:21:15,389 Speaker 3: lot of the conversations. So it would be great if 448 00:21:15,469 --> 00:21:18,349 Speaker 3: they were compensated for it. I think that would go 449 00:21:18,389 --> 00:21:20,189 Speaker 3: a long way in terms of the perception of what 450 00:21:20,189 --> 00:21:22,589 Speaker 3: they're doing as actual work. And that's a good thing. 451 00:21:22,989 --> 00:21:24,349 Speaker 5: What Virginia is saying. 452 00:21:24,629 --> 00:21:27,709 Speaker 1: She is not saying invest in early childhood education, even 453 00:21:27,709 --> 00:21:29,869 Speaker 1: though that is a thing that governments around the world 454 00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:32,909 Speaker 1: are thankfully realizing that they need to do. Virginia tap 455 00:21:32,949 --> 00:21:35,669 Speaker 1: Scott believes that it doesn't matter how quality that early 456 00:21:35,749 --> 00:21:38,549 Speaker 1: childhood education is and how much money the government throws 457 00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:42,789 Speaker 1: at it and how many postgraduate degrees the childcare educators have. 458 00:21:43,269 --> 00:21:47,029 Speaker 1: It is not a substitute for at home care. To her, 459 00:21:47,189 --> 00:21:49,549 Speaker 1: it's a very clear binary. And what I worry about 460 00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:52,029 Speaker 1: with that is it's so great to be finally saying 461 00:21:52,109 --> 00:21:54,749 Speaker 1: that just because you're not paid for something doesn't mean 462 00:21:54,749 --> 00:21:58,749 Speaker 1: that you're not contributing something incredibly valuable to society, arguably 463 00:21:58,789 --> 00:22:02,189 Speaker 1: the most valuable. But what does that mean for women's 464 00:22:02,269 --> 00:22:06,189 Speaker 1: roles more generally, when they are being implicitly and explicitly 465 00:22:06,349 --> 00:22:08,949 Speaker 1: encouraged to stay at home for the good of the child. 466 00:22:09,389 --> 00:22:11,429 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a privileged position to be in 467 00:22:11,709 --> 00:22:14,149 Speaker 2: isn't it. Do you think it's linked to the tradwife 468 00:22:14,469 --> 00:22:16,069 Speaker 2: movement Stacy. 469 00:22:15,829 --> 00:22:18,469 Speaker 3: Well, she's kind of saying that it's not. She's almost 470 00:22:18,589 --> 00:22:19,509 Speaker 3: going against that. 471 00:22:19,749 --> 00:22:22,069 Speaker 1: She says she's not a chid wife because what she's 472 00:22:22,109 --> 00:22:24,589 Speaker 1: saying is it doesn't matter whether you're a dad or 473 00:22:24,589 --> 00:22:27,749 Speaker 1: a mum. The point is you need someone at home 474 00:22:27,789 --> 00:22:30,069 Speaker 1: with the kids who's engaged in that care and who 475 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:31,269 Speaker 1: was valued for that care. 476 00:22:31,389 --> 00:22:33,269 Speaker 5: Trad Wives lean into the kind. 477 00:22:33,109 --> 00:22:37,949 Speaker 1: Of fetishizing of that whole thing as almost not something 478 00:22:37,989 --> 00:22:39,909 Speaker 1: that you should be paid for, but rather something that 479 00:22:39,949 --> 00:22:40,629 Speaker 1: looks really. 480 00:22:40,429 --> 00:22:41,949 Speaker 5: Pretty and it's great for Instagram. 481 00:22:41,989 --> 00:22:44,309 Speaker 3: And she actually has written for Mamma Mia a bit 482 00:22:44,349 --> 00:22:46,669 Speaker 3: before two mons, what you said about it being like 483 00:22:46,749 --> 00:22:49,069 Speaker 3: a privilege game, because I definitely thought the same thing. 484 00:22:49,109 --> 00:22:51,189 Speaker 3: I thought, oh, it'd be great to have that choice, 485 00:22:51,189 --> 00:22:53,589 Speaker 3: but not everybody's got that choice. But she did a 486 00:22:53,589 --> 00:22:56,669 Speaker 3: brilliant piece for Mumma Mia called people think stay at 487 00:22:56,709 --> 00:22:59,189 Speaker 3: home parents must be wealthy, but this is the true cost. 488 00:22:59,469 --> 00:23:02,989 Speaker 3: And she interviewed so many parents, mostly mothers, about what 489 00:23:03,429 --> 00:23:06,029 Speaker 3: sacrifices they were kind of making and what arrangements they 490 00:23:06,029 --> 00:23:07,949 Speaker 3: were using to be able to do this and to 491 00:23:07,989 --> 00:23:10,749 Speaker 3: have someone at home with their child at all time. 492 00:23:10,829 --> 00:23:12,989 Speaker 3: So a lot of them it involved moving to more 493 00:23:13,069 --> 00:23:15,509 Speaker 3: rural areas so that their rent was lower, or for 494 00:23:15,589 --> 00:23:18,069 Speaker 3: others it meant, you know, never taking holidays, never having 495 00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:20,789 Speaker 3: meals out. Others they were doing shift work where they 496 00:23:20,909 --> 00:23:21,829 Speaker 3: tag team to be. 497 00:23:21,829 --> 00:23:22,389 Speaker 5: With the kids. 498 00:23:22,429 --> 00:23:25,629 Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily just something for people who have 499 00:23:25,749 --> 00:23:28,589 Speaker 3: got like a really high income earner in their family. 500 00:23:28,989 --> 00:23:31,789 Speaker 3: People are choosing this for their own reasons, whether that's 501 00:23:31,829 --> 00:23:33,829 Speaker 3: to stay away from childcare or whether to just be 502 00:23:33,869 --> 00:23:37,589 Speaker 3: more present and making sacrifices to make that happen. And 503 00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:39,189 Speaker 3: I just want to make it very clear when we're 504 00:23:39,229 --> 00:23:43,109 Speaker 3: talking about this that there are some brilliant childcare educators 505 00:23:43,149 --> 00:23:45,109 Speaker 3: out there that are doing an incredible job. I know 506 00:23:45,229 --> 00:23:49,229 Speaker 3: I trusted my daughter's early childhood educators with my life 507 00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:51,749 Speaker 3: with my child. We don't want to undermine the amazing 508 00:23:51,789 --> 00:23:53,629 Speaker 3: work that they're doing, but more talking about the system 509 00:23:53,629 --> 00:23:54,549 Speaker 3: as a whole the way. 510 00:23:54,589 --> 00:23:57,509 Speaker 1: I hope that us talking about this hasn't made anyone 511 00:23:57,669 --> 00:24:01,069 Speaker 1: feel bad about their choices. Our intent by bringing it 512 00:24:01,109 --> 00:24:03,749 Speaker 1: here was a to sort of touch on this huge 513 00:24:03,829 --> 00:24:06,749 Speaker 1: topic that parents all over Australia are thinking about right 514 00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:09,949 Speaker 1: now and b to get us thinking about radical solution, 515 00:24:10,349 --> 00:24:12,189 Speaker 1: because things can't go on like this. 516 00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:16,109 Speaker 3: If you're someone who has a closet stuff full of 517 00:24:16,109 --> 00:24:18,149 Speaker 3: clothes you haven't worn in years, but you can't bear 518 00:24:18,189 --> 00:24:21,069 Speaker 3: to part with, I have good news. You're not a hoarder. 519 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:25,349 Speaker 3: It's not clutter. It's now being rebranded as a collection, 520 00:24:25,989 --> 00:24:26,789 Speaker 3: a love collection. 521 00:24:26,869 --> 00:24:27,709 Speaker 4: I'm going to call it. 522 00:24:28,229 --> 00:24:31,949 Speaker 3: That's according to a very unlikely hero, asap Rocky, also 523 00:24:31,989 --> 00:24:32,829 Speaker 3: known as. 524 00:24:32,589 --> 00:24:34,789 Speaker 5: I thought it was as ap. 525 00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:38,589 Speaker 3: Rock you and mea friedman, both because I have also 526 00:24:38,669 --> 00:24:41,749 Speaker 3: heard her refer to this rapper as asap Rocky. 527 00:24:41,829 --> 00:24:45,109 Speaker 4: No, it's asap Rocky. Asap Rocky. 528 00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:49,029 Speaker 3: That social media class, you really do. He is also 529 00:24:49,149 --> 00:24:52,709 Speaker 3: known as Rihanna's other half. The rapper spoke this week 530 00:24:52,749 --> 00:24:55,069 Speaker 3: about how he and Rihanna plan to keep all their 531 00:24:55,229 --> 00:24:57,869 Speaker 3: iconic fashion looks to hand down to their three children. 532 00:24:57,949 --> 00:25:01,109 Speaker 3: So they've got sons Rizza and Riot, and a daughter 533 00:25:01,429 --> 00:25:04,269 Speaker 3: who they just announced the birth of this week, called Rocky. 534 00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:06,549 Speaker 3: So they're kind of doing the Kardashian thing where all 535 00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:09,509 Speaker 3: the kids have got the same letter name. And he said, 536 00:25:09,549 --> 00:25:12,189 Speaker 3: at this point, it's not even being a hoarder, it's 537 00:25:12,229 --> 00:25:14,589 Speaker 3: being a collector. So I want to know, have you 538 00:25:14,669 --> 00:25:16,989 Speaker 3: two got a room full of coture gowns you're planning 539 00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:17,949 Speaker 3: to hand down. 540 00:25:17,829 --> 00:25:21,349 Speaker 1: To sounds like the iconic Australian band of the Hoarders 541 00:25:21,349 --> 00:25:22,269 Speaker 1: and collectors. 542 00:25:24,109 --> 00:25:25,429 Speaker 4: Yeah, what have you got? What are you going to 543 00:25:25,509 --> 00:25:26,629 Speaker 4: give for nothing? 544 00:25:26,669 --> 00:25:29,989 Speaker 2: Because there's this phenomenon that I've read about called boomer junk. 545 00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:33,469 Speaker 2: Have you heard of boomer junk? No, it's it's all 546 00:25:33,509 --> 00:25:35,909 Speaker 2: of a TikTok where every millennial that goes home to 547 00:25:35,949 --> 00:25:38,189 Speaker 2: see their parents gets just handed a box of stuff 548 00:25:38,189 --> 00:25:39,989 Speaker 2: that their parents are like, oh, we're just keeping this 549 00:25:40,029 --> 00:25:42,429 Speaker 2: for you for when you're older. So there's this theory 550 00:25:42,469 --> 00:25:45,069 Speaker 2: that boomers were raised by parents who were shaped by 551 00:25:45,109 --> 00:25:47,949 Speaker 2: the Great Depression, so they rarely get rid of anything 552 00:25:48,069 --> 00:25:51,069 Speaker 2: for fear of needing it later. And many boomers are 553 00:25:51,109 --> 00:25:55,149 Speaker 2: also collectors and they're highly sentimental. They also own their 554 00:25:55,149 --> 00:25:57,909 Speaker 2: own homes, so they stay in them for longer, meaning 555 00:25:57,909 --> 00:26:01,149 Speaker 2: that they can just accumulate more stuff and then the 556 00:26:01,309 --> 00:26:06,349 Speaker 2: stuff becomes our problem. So asap Rocky is just doing, 557 00:26:06,909 --> 00:26:09,429 Speaker 2: we've moved from boomer junk to millennial junk. It's the 558 00:26:09,509 --> 00:26:10,109 Speaker 2: natural revolution. 559 00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:13,749 Speaker 1: When I heard this, I immediately my mind immediately went 560 00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:16,189 Speaker 1: to the fact that Sarah Jessica Parker gave an interview 561 00:26:16,229 --> 00:26:19,029 Speaker 1: early this year with w magazine and spoke about the 562 00:26:19,069 --> 00:26:22,469 Speaker 1: same idea regarding her daughters, who just turned sixteen this year. 563 00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:25,189 Speaker 3: Oh, because she has an amazing shoe collection, I'm sure, 564 00:26:25,229 --> 00:26:27,189 Speaker 3: and keeps everything from the show, right, She's. 565 00:26:27,069 --> 00:26:29,749 Speaker 2: Kept everything from every show, every outfit from every show. 566 00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:31,989 Speaker 4: Do you let your daughters borrow your shoes? 567 00:26:32,589 --> 00:26:35,829 Speaker 8: Here's the sad truth is that they really don't fit 568 00:26:35,869 --> 00:26:39,629 Speaker 8: them anymore. Their feet are the wrong size and that's 569 00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:42,149 Speaker 8: not going to go backwards. It's really kind of awful, 570 00:26:42,189 --> 00:26:45,749 Speaker 8: though one of them seems to lately fit some of them, 571 00:26:45,869 --> 00:26:48,109 Speaker 8: but they don't really ask for them that much thus far. 572 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:50,869 Speaker 8: They're not really like raiding my closet or anything. They 573 00:26:50,989 --> 00:26:52,429 Speaker 8: very much they have their own style. 574 00:26:52,949 --> 00:26:56,589 Speaker 1: This is the thing, like there's no guarantee like Asap Rocky, 575 00:26:56,629 --> 00:26:59,629 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I cannot get off all the Asap and Rihanna, 576 00:26:59,949 --> 00:27:03,309 Speaker 1: Like obviously they have iconic style, each of them as individuals. 577 00:27:03,349 --> 00:27:06,829 Speaker 1: But it's going to be like remember the nineties sitcom 578 00:27:06,869 --> 00:27:09,869 Speaker 1: Absolutely Fabulous, Yes, And in that show you had this 579 00:27:09,949 --> 00:27:12,989 Speaker 1: kind of fashion easter mother a Dina Monsoon and then 580 00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:19,429 Speaker 1: her daughter Safie, who actually hated fashion asap and Ree's children. 581 00:27:19,309 --> 00:27:20,949 Speaker 5: Are going to hate fashion. 582 00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:23,949 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to be like bokish and like refuse 583 00:27:24,029 --> 00:27:25,869 Speaker 1: to wear any of the gorgeous counts. 584 00:27:25,829 --> 00:27:27,989 Speaker 2: They might not. And also, okay, now I'm going to 585 00:27:28,069 --> 00:27:31,349 Speaker 2: defend a sap rocky in Rihanna because this isn't like 586 00:27:31,709 --> 00:27:35,149 Speaker 2: stained bonds onesies that they're keeping. This is proper couture 587 00:27:35,549 --> 00:27:40,109 Speaker 2: and proper beautiful fashion that's been crafted and that's artistic. 588 00:27:40,269 --> 00:27:43,549 Speaker 2: So all the experts say is that if you're going 589 00:27:43,589 --> 00:27:45,789 Speaker 2: to keep stuff, try and limit what you keep to 590 00:27:45,869 --> 00:27:48,949 Speaker 2: only what's really special, and then also include a note 591 00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:52,189 Speaker 2: for context or a little story about the item. So 592 00:27:52,229 --> 00:27:57,669 Speaker 2: it's like, dear little Rizza whatever their name is, this 593 00:27:57,709 --> 00:28:00,109 Speaker 2: is what I wore to the mat Gulla and I 594 00:28:00,189 --> 00:28:02,229 Speaker 2: sat next to and a win tourl like that's a 595 00:28:02,269 --> 00:28:03,069 Speaker 2: cool story. 596 00:28:03,509 --> 00:28:05,629 Speaker 3: Yeah, but what are we doing like handing down a 597 00:28:05,749 --> 00:28:08,709 Speaker 3: musty Spice Girls T shirt and being like I bought 598 00:28:08,749 --> 00:28:10,989 Speaker 3: this in nineteen ninety, Like. 599 00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:12,149 Speaker 5: They don't care. 600 00:28:12,269 --> 00:28:13,389 Speaker 6: What are they going to do with that? 601 00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:13,789 Speaker 5: Now? 602 00:28:14,429 --> 00:28:18,229 Speaker 2: My mum kept a pair of flares and oh, epic, epic. 603 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:20,669 Speaker 2: She only kept a few select things, and they're pretty 604 00:28:20,669 --> 00:28:21,829 Speaker 2: great to get out and try on. 605 00:28:22,189 --> 00:28:24,829 Speaker 3: Well, I actually have one thing I brought Show and 606 00:28:24,869 --> 00:28:27,549 Speaker 3: Tell today. I know this is an audio media, but 607 00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:29,789 Speaker 3: I bought Show and Tell something I will be handing 608 00:28:29,829 --> 00:28:32,149 Speaker 3: down to my daughter. In fact, I already have it. 609 00:28:32,229 --> 00:28:34,389 Speaker 3: Is an artifact and an ancient artifact. I have it 610 00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:35,789 Speaker 3: in my top pocket to show you. 611 00:28:36,029 --> 00:28:38,229 Speaker 2: Wait, I want to guess before you see it a 612 00:28:38,589 --> 00:28:39,189 Speaker 2: slap band. 613 00:28:41,989 --> 00:28:43,829 Speaker 3: I didn't keep any of that, and I should have. 614 00:28:43,989 --> 00:28:49,069 Speaker 3: It is a millennial icon. It is the owl necklace always, 615 00:28:49,989 --> 00:28:53,709 Speaker 3: so we all owned this, so obviously we're a podcast. 616 00:28:53,989 --> 00:28:56,469 Speaker 3: I am holding a long pendent necklace that I'm pretty 617 00:28:56,469 --> 00:28:58,589 Speaker 3: sure I got from Diva in about two thousand and 618 00:28:58,669 --> 00:29:00,549 Speaker 3: five two thousand and six, and I would wear it 619 00:29:00,629 --> 00:29:02,509 Speaker 3: clubbing and it has an owl on it. 620 00:29:02,629 --> 00:29:04,149 Speaker 5: Why did we think that was good? 621 00:29:04,269 --> 00:29:07,389 Speaker 3: Don't know, but we all had one and I've somehow 622 00:29:07,469 --> 00:29:09,949 Speaker 3: held on to it and I've now passed it down. 623 00:29:10,229 --> 00:29:12,989 Speaker 3: So I suggest you hold on to the same things. 624 00:29:13,349 --> 00:29:15,789 Speaker 3: And actually I have a whole series of these necklaces, 625 00:29:15,829 --> 00:29:19,429 Speaker 3: like I have about twenty deranged millennial necklaces, so I'll 626 00:29:19,469 --> 00:29:22,029 Speaker 3: put them up on the Mumma mea family Instagram. If 627 00:29:22,069 --> 00:29:24,109 Speaker 3: you want to have a look at them or you're listening. 628 00:29:23,989 --> 00:29:25,589 Speaker 2: Don't hold onto the Deva necklace. 629 00:29:25,629 --> 00:29:26,469 Speaker 5: It's fine. 630 00:29:26,629 --> 00:29:31,349 Speaker 2: Hold on to the patek Philip watch everything else can go. 631 00:29:32,109 --> 00:29:32,589 Speaker 5: All right. 632 00:29:32,709 --> 00:29:34,789 Speaker 2: To wrap up things today, we're going to share the 633 00:29:34,829 --> 00:29:37,189 Speaker 2: things that we're loving, sick, things that we might text 634 00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:41,029 Speaker 2: to our friends or put in the mum's group chat. Amelia. 635 00:29:41,109 --> 00:29:42,069 Speaker 5: I have a podcast. 636 00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:45,389 Speaker 1: It is called Greeking Out, and it has the most 637 00:29:45,509 --> 00:29:49,389 Speaker 1: catchy song you've ever heard with the word mythology in it. 638 00:29:49,429 --> 00:29:52,709 Speaker 1: Because it's a national geographic podcast about ancient Greek myths. 639 00:29:53,389 --> 00:29:56,949 Speaker 1: It has been so successful that they've made eleven seasons 640 00:29:56,989 --> 00:29:58,949 Speaker 1: of it, which should give you some idea of just 641 00:29:58,989 --> 00:30:01,869 Speaker 1: how big it's cult following is. It's been really interesting 642 00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:03,989 Speaker 1: for me because I don't know anything about Greek myths, 643 00:30:04,029 --> 00:30:05,949 Speaker 1: but I like the idea of my children knowing a 644 00:30:05,949 --> 00:30:07,869 Speaker 1: lot about Greek myths, if you know what I mean, 645 00:30:08,069 --> 00:30:08,869 Speaker 1: Like I want to be there. 646 00:30:09,149 --> 00:30:10,949 Speaker 2: Is this a kid's show or an adult show? 647 00:30:10,989 --> 00:30:11,869 Speaker 5: It's a kids show. 648 00:30:12,349 --> 00:30:14,189 Speaker 1: I want to be that person who's, like, my son's 649 00:30:14,189 --> 00:30:17,509 Speaker 1: obsessed with ancient Greek myths and guess what he is 650 00:30:17,869 --> 00:30:20,749 Speaker 1: thanks to this podcast. And it's showing me how much 651 00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:23,309 Speaker 1: of what we talk about comes from ancient Greek myths. 652 00:30:23,309 --> 00:30:25,549 Speaker 1: Like when we say flying too close to the sun, 653 00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:29,269 Speaker 1: we're really talking about the god Icarus, who is explored 654 00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:32,269 Speaker 1: in one of these episodes of this podcast. It's a 655 00:30:32,309 --> 00:30:35,349 Speaker 1: really listenable show. It sounds dry and poring, it's not 656 00:30:35,429 --> 00:30:38,029 Speaker 1: at all. It has two co hosts, one of which 657 00:30:38,069 --> 00:30:40,269 Speaker 1: is called the Oracle of Wi Fi, which is my 658 00:30:40,349 --> 00:30:43,549 Speaker 1: favorite title of all time. It's really funny. I'd say 659 00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:46,949 Speaker 1: it's great for kids five and up, probably five to ten, 660 00:30:47,349 --> 00:30:51,429 Speaker 1: pretty good range age range. It's free, it's on your 661 00:30:51,469 --> 00:30:55,309 Speaker 1: favorite podcast app, and my kids love it, and now 662 00:30:55,349 --> 00:30:57,349 Speaker 1: I can say that they're into ancient Greek myths. 663 00:30:57,389 --> 00:30:58,989 Speaker 3: I think I need to listen because I didn't know 664 00:30:59,069 --> 00:31:01,229 Speaker 3: that about the flying close to the sun, so I'm 665 00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:05,469 Speaker 3: going to educate myself. My recommendation this week is a 666 00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:09,629 Speaker 3: Spotify playlist. I'm recording my own Spotify playlist, which we 667 00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:11,509 Speaker 3: can drop in the show notes if anyone. 668 00:31:12,309 --> 00:31:15,069 Speaker 5: Okay, tell me in what circumstances do I play this? Okay? 669 00:31:15,349 --> 00:31:18,549 Speaker 3: This playlist is called Girly Pop Songs that make Me 670 00:31:18,629 --> 00:31:19,709 Speaker 3: want to break a door down. 671 00:31:19,869 --> 00:31:22,149 Speaker 4: It's so good and basically. 672 00:31:21,589 --> 00:31:23,549 Speaker 3: What I'm trying to emulate is you know, when you 673 00:31:23,629 --> 00:31:25,989 Speaker 3: hear the start of Shania Twain's Men, I feel like 674 00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:27,069 Speaker 3: a woman where it goes. 675 00:31:29,589 --> 00:31:33,229 Speaker 4: Let's Go girls, and it just pulses through your body. 676 00:31:33,389 --> 00:31:33,469 Speaker 1: Like. 677 00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:36,069 Speaker 4: So I've made this playlist. 678 00:31:36,109 --> 00:31:39,029 Speaker 3: It's ridiculous, like it makes no sense really everything that's 679 00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:41,549 Speaker 3: on it. But it's got Spice girls, it's got Nelly 680 00:31:41,629 --> 00:31:46,029 Speaker 3: Fotato like man Eater, it's got Jack Jack Jackie like 681 00:31:46,109 --> 00:31:46,549 Speaker 3: all these. 682 00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:50,909 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you were really dredging up core memory. 683 00:31:50,989 --> 00:31:52,669 Speaker 5: Yeah, Jack Jack Jackie. 684 00:31:53,549 --> 00:31:56,029 Speaker 3: Well, I play this playlist every morning when I'm walking 685 00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:56,589 Speaker 3: to work. 686 00:31:56,709 --> 00:31:58,629 Speaker 5: Are you wearing your ol necklus while you do it? 687 00:31:58,669 --> 00:32:02,909 Speaker 3: I should be what a combo? But it's just we'll 688 00:32:02,909 --> 00:32:04,829 Speaker 3: put you in the best mood. It's impossible to feel 689 00:32:04,829 --> 00:32:07,349 Speaker 3: in a bad mood if you play this playlist, So 690 00:32:07,429 --> 00:32:08,949 Speaker 3: we'll drop it. But or you can just make your 691 00:32:08,989 --> 00:32:11,749 Speaker 3: own if you hate my taste music, which is understandable. 692 00:32:12,109 --> 00:32:13,269 Speaker 4: What have you got ones? 693 00:32:13,829 --> 00:32:16,789 Speaker 2: This is for anyone who has like goblin children in 694 00:32:16,829 --> 00:32:19,509 Speaker 2: the morning where they're hungry and they're just fuck eyed 695 00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:22,429 Speaker 2: until they have something to eat. So my sister Bridget 696 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:29,109 Speaker 2: told me about this and it's called the offering. The 697 00:32:29,189 --> 00:32:32,149 Speaker 2: idea is that you leave something out overnight on your 698 00:32:32,189 --> 00:32:35,429 Speaker 2: kid's bedside table so that when they wake up there's 699 00:32:35,429 --> 00:32:37,909 Speaker 2: a little something waiting for them to snack on. Now, 700 00:32:38,109 --> 00:32:40,469 Speaker 2: do not come at me, dentists, do not come at me. 701 00:32:40,749 --> 00:32:42,949 Speaker 2: People who think we give our kids too many snacks. 702 00:32:43,189 --> 00:32:46,029 Speaker 2: I'm not interested. The whole idea is just like lift 703 00:32:46,069 --> 00:32:48,989 Speaker 2: that blood sugar level and banish the demons. So here's 704 00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:51,589 Speaker 2: some ideas with stuff that you'll already have in the house. 705 00:32:52,109 --> 00:32:56,949 Speaker 2: Dry cereal in a cup, nutri grain, cheerios, pretzels or popcorn, 706 00:32:56,949 --> 00:32:59,389 Speaker 2: things that don't get soggy, or like a little bowl 707 00:32:59,389 --> 00:33:03,109 Speaker 2: of blueberries, or some sliced up apples to put out overnight. Now, 708 00:33:03,189 --> 00:33:06,029 Speaker 2: hot tip. If you slice apples and then you soak 709 00:33:06,069 --> 00:33:07,709 Speaker 2: them in cold water with a little bit of salt, 710 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:10,829 Speaker 2: they do not go brown. That's my life. Lunch box 711 00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:11,709 Speaker 2: Hacke as well. 712 00:33:11,749 --> 00:33:13,789 Speaker 4: I'll never be doing that, but that's great to know 713 00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:14,629 Speaker 4: that you can do. 714 00:33:14,829 --> 00:33:17,429 Speaker 1: Are you actually doing this month? 715 00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:20,029 Speaker 2: Every morning I soak apples for the lunchboxes. 716 00:33:20,629 --> 00:33:22,429 Speaker 5: Oh my god, no, I meant the offerings. Are you 717 00:33:22,469 --> 00:33:23,389 Speaker 5: doing offerings? Oh? 718 00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:25,709 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh yes, my god, yes, the offering has been 719 00:33:25,709 --> 00:33:28,069 Speaker 2: a game changer because both of my children wake up 720 00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:31,829 Speaker 2: like rah. They never wake up beautiful and angelic, and 721 00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:34,749 Speaker 2: the offering they don't come to me straight away. I 722 00:33:34,829 --> 00:33:37,429 Speaker 2: just hear them crunch, crunch, crunch. I'm like, yes, it 723 00:33:37,469 --> 00:33:38,869 Speaker 2: gives me five more minutes of sleep. 724 00:33:38,909 --> 00:33:41,909 Speaker 1: Okay, But here's my question. I think I know the answer. 725 00:33:42,069 --> 00:33:44,189 Speaker 1: The thing I love about kids this is more a statement. 726 00:33:44,469 --> 00:33:48,109 Speaker 1: They're never gonna ask like who put this food here? Why? 727 00:33:48,349 --> 00:33:51,669 Speaker 5: They're just living in this world where they just expect. 728 00:33:51,429 --> 00:33:54,309 Speaker 1: Like delightful little treats to be by their bed when 729 00:33:54,309 --> 00:33:55,029 Speaker 1: they wake up. 730 00:33:55,429 --> 00:33:57,349 Speaker 4: I know, have you ever forgot? 731 00:33:57,429 --> 00:33:59,829 Speaker 3: Well? Can you imagine what would happen if you forgot 732 00:33:59,949 --> 00:34:02,749 Speaker 3: one day? It will be like, oh yeah, an. 733 00:34:02,629 --> 00:34:05,109 Speaker 2: Apocaly Can they get up and get it for themselves? 734 00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:07,029 Speaker 2: We can dream, right, we can dream. 735 00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:11,149 Speaker 3: I am definitely adopting this because every day between the 736 00:34:11,229 --> 00:34:13,509 Speaker 3: time of five am and six am, I get woken 737 00:34:13,549 --> 00:34:17,109 Speaker 3: by the words mommy, come to my room. And I 738 00:34:17,189 --> 00:34:19,549 Speaker 3: don't think that all happen if there's breakfast cereal next 739 00:34:19,549 --> 00:34:19,949 Speaker 3: to her bed. 740 00:34:20,029 --> 00:34:22,509 Speaker 2: So I'm going to do that sisly. Next time I 741 00:34:22,509 --> 00:34:24,709 Speaker 2: see you, I might bring you an offering to the office, 742 00:34:24,749 --> 00:34:26,869 Speaker 2: because I think the offering could also be extended to 743 00:34:26,949 --> 00:34:29,549 Speaker 2: mums in the workplace. At round three pm, I was 744 00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:32,149 Speaker 2: just like, ah, I need some really good culture. 745 00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:34,669 Speaker 4: I would love a little snap placed on my desk 746 00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:35,309 Speaker 4: without asking. 747 00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:38,269 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mon, That's all we have time 748 00:34:38,269 --> 00:34:40,549 Speaker 2: for on Parenting out Loud this week. Hey, thanks to 749 00:34:40,549 --> 00:34:44,069 Speaker 2: the people that left very enthusiastic reviews in Apple podcasts. 750 00:34:44,109 --> 00:34:46,149 Speaker 2: We're so chuffed by those. It's sort of our personal 751 00:34:46,229 --> 00:34:46,789 Speaker 2: sticker chart. 752 00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:47,629 Speaker 5: Now. 753 00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:51,029 Speaker 2: After last week's show, we asked people to leave reviews, 754 00:34:51,269 --> 00:34:55,469 Speaker 2: but gentle parenting style, so we said, don't over praise us. 755 00:34:55,509 --> 00:34:58,189 Speaker 2: Praise is out. You can't praise outcome anymore. You can 756 00:34:58,229 --> 00:35:05,509 Speaker 2: only praise effort, our pollers, our pout louders. Understand. Dana writes, 757 00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:10,069 Speaker 2: thank you Parenting out Loud. I'm really glad you're here. 758 00:35:10,469 --> 00:35:14,269 Speaker 2: You're doing such important work, and I see how much 759 00:35:14,309 --> 00:35:19,909 Speaker 2: heart you put into every word. Thank you, Dana. And 760 00:35:19,949 --> 00:35:24,589 Speaker 2: this one from Jackie G is titled holding Space Months 761 00:35:24,869 --> 00:35:28,549 Speaker 2: Stacey and Amelia, I noticed how you kept trying even 762 00:35:28,629 --> 00:35:31,669 Speaker 2: when it was tricky. You must feel proud of yourselves, 763 00:35:33,189 --> 00:35:38,109 Speaker 2: so thank you, thank you. You are all elite level powders powers, 764 00:35:38,309 --> 00:35:39,469 Speaker 2: pout Loudess pout. 765 00:35:39,309 --> 00:35:43,549 Speaker 3: Louders powers is good too. Yeah, whichever one they want, 766 00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:44,189 Speaker 3: they can decide. 767 00:35:44,269 --> 00:35:44,669 Speaker 7: Let us know. 768 00:35:46,229 --> 00:35:49,109 Speaker 1: Comment here, which we haven't read yet from Laura, Laura wrote, 769 00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:51,429 Speaker 1: kids are now grow and love this though have to 770 00:35:51,429 --> 00:35:54,669 Speaker 1: say Amelia is the bomb. Sometimes you can just say 771 00:35:54,709 --> 00:35:56,389 Speaker 1: the nice thing without praising effort. 772 00:35:56,709 --> 00:35:59,109 Speaker 5: Thanks. Thanks for that, Laura, Thank. 773 00:35:58,869 --> 00:36:01,909 Speaker 2: You so much. The challenge remains to write a review 774 00:36:01,949 --> 00:36:04,949 Speaker 2: in gentle parenting speak because it makes us laugh so much. 775 00:36:05,229 --> 00:36:08,109 Speaker 2: So we want you to channel your most overthinking millennial 776 00:36:08,189 --> 00:36:10,109 Speaker 2: parent brain and tell us we're doing a good job 777 00:36:10,349 --> 00:36:13,989 Speaker 2: without telling us that. So praise the effort. Guys, make 778 00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:16,189 Speaker 2: us laugh. A big thanks to our team this week. 779 00:36:16,269 --> 00:36:20,549 Speaker 2: Junior Content produces Coco Levine and Tessakovic produces Leoporgus and 780 00:36:20,589 --> 00:36:23,749 Speaker 2: Sashatanic and the group ep Is Ruth Devine. Have a 781 00:36:23,789 --> 00:36:26,749 Speaker 2: great week. Good luck out there in school holidays. We'll 782 00:36:26,789 --> 00:36:29,229 Speaker 2: be back in this feed next Saturday morning. 783 00:36:29,549 --> 00:36:31,589 Speaker 5: Bye bye,