WEBVTT - We Know What Your House Really Looks Like 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:14.927 You're listening to Amma mea podcast. Mamma Mere acknowledges the 0:00:14.967 --> 0:00:17.727 traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 0:00:17.767 --> 0:00:24.447 recorded on Hello and welcome to Mamma Me. Are out loud? 0:00:24.447 --> 0:00:27.127 What women are actually talking about? On Wednesday, the twenty 0:00:27.167 --> 0:00:29.967 third of October, I am Holly Wainwright. 0:00:29.647 --> 0:00:32.527 I am Jesse Stevens, and I'm and Vernon filling in 0:00:32.527 --> 0:00:35.007 for me today. You might have heard me on our 0:00:35.127 --> 0:00:36.927 daily entertainment podcast The Spill. 0:00:37.247 --> 0:00:40.727 On the show today Britney Spears's latest wedding and the 0:00:40.847 --> 0:00:43.807 rise of sologamy. Don't know what that is? That's fine, 0:00:43.927 --> 0:00:48.567 we'll explain. Also, has the US exported its abortion politics 0:00:48.647 --> 0:00:51.847 all the way to Australia this week? It seems yes? 0:00:52.407 --> 0:00:56.687 And why women clean? The answer apparently is much more 0:00:56.687 --> 0:01:01.367 complicated than well, someone has to. But first, Jesse Stevens. 0:01:01.127 --> 0:01:04.527 In case you missed it, you have to change your passwords. Holly, 0:01:04.567 --> 0:01:06.207 I'm mostly probably talking to you. 0:01:06.207 --> 0:01:07.767 You are very much talking to me. 0:01:07.887 --> 0:01:09.447 You just see you got to change your password. A 0:01:09.487 --> 0:01:14.687 cybersecurity expert who investigates criminal hacking methods named Joe Cockroft 0:01:14.927 --> 0:01:21.087 says he knows your password is probably password or one two, three, four, five, six, 0:01:21.167 --> 0:01:24.847 and you're gonna get hacked. Even worse, you probably have 0:01:24.967 --> 0:01:29.287 the same password across multiple platforms, meaning a hacker could 0:01:29.287 --> 0:01:32.047 access your bank account, your eCloud, and all your social 0:01:32.047 --> 0:01:32.847 media platforms. 0:01:32.927 --> 0:01:36.207 Oh, that's none of my business. 0:01:35.807 --> 0:01:36.647 You do, you hacker. 0:01:37.167 --> 0:01:40.047 Apparently hackers have a list of thousands of words that 0:01:40.087 --> 0:01:43.247 they think are probably your password, and they can glean 0:01:43.287 --> 0:01:46.327 it from social media, like your pet's name, your phone number, 0:01:46.527 --> 0:01:48.327 or the sporting team you support. 0:01:49.127 --> 0:01:50.647 So so scared you're going to say one of my 0:01:50.727 --> 0:01:54.367 actual pastor because this is tricky this segment, because we 0:01:54.407 --> 0:01:57.567 obviously need to react towards Jesse's saying without actually giving 0:01:57.567 --> 0:01:58.487 away our password. 0:01:58.607 --> 0:02:01.087 Shop you have to go what people have password one 0:02:01.087 --> 0:02:01.807 two three. 0:02:02.087 --> 0:02:03.527 People use their pets name. 0:02:03.847 --> 0:02:05.607 Oh my goodness. 0:02:06.087 --> 0:02:09.807 So this was UK based and what they had was 0:02:10.047 --> 0:02:13.327 password quirty, which is just the first line of your 0:02:13.527 --> 0:02:17.647 keyboard ABC one two three. Very popular and football team 0:02:17.727 --> 0:02:20.767 so Liverpool or Arsenal. What was interesting here is they've 0:02:20.767 --> 0:02:22.647 not even tried to do an exclamation mark. It's just 0:02:22.727 --> 0:02:26.487 a Liverpool. But in Australia, some of the most common 0:02:26.527 --> 0:02:29.647 passwords include Michael or Charlie. 0:02:29.847 --> 0:02:30.487 If you want to. 0:02:30.447 --> 0:02:33.167 Know Michaels and Charlie's everywhere few. 0:02:33.207 --> 0:02:34.007 The big dumb dumbs. 0:02:34.047 --> 0:02:36.727 If you know, Michael, just go mate, get it a 0:02:36.767 --> 0:02:37.967 little more more creative. 0:02:38.487 --> 0:02:40.207 Or Star Wars twenty nine. 0:02:40.327 --> 0:02:43.167 Oh my god, that would be Brent. No, you just 0:02:43.207 --> 0:02:45.487 give me inspiration of how to hack into alve Brett's 0:02:45.527 --> 0:02:46.607 private accounts. 0:02:48.127 --> 0:02:50.487 So we surveyed the out louders about how often they 0:02:50.607 --> 0:02:53.727 change their password, and you're fine, It's interesting the people 0:02:53.767 --> 0:02:55.887 who just are changing their password because they know that 0:02:55.927 --> 0:02:59.927 it's an important security thing. One percent, sixty nine percent 0:03:00.007 --> 0:03:02.327 of people are changing their password, but only because they 0:03:02.367 --> 0:03:04.647 forgot the password that they did before. 0:03:04.687 --> 0:03:05.807 With all the exclamations, you know. 0:03:05.807 --> 0:03:08.047 How that one percent would have been who Luke Levine? 0:03:09.767 --> 0:03:12.807 That is Luca going, oh yes, I said a weekly 0:03:12.847 --> 0:03:15.847 reminder that I should change all my passwords because apparently 0:03:15.927 --> 0:03:17.807 what you're meant to do is either have a password 0:03:17.807 --> 0:03:20.487 manager which saves them all, which I'm like, can't that 0:03:20.567 --> 0:03:20.967 be hacked? 0:03:20.967 --> 0:03:21.967 But I don't know enough. 0:03:22.167 --> 0:03:24.527 The IT guy right now is screaming at me being like, 0:03:24.607 --> 0:03:28.167 Noah can't. And the other thing is do the verification 0:03:28.367 --> 0:03:30.287 where you get your pass code sent to your phone. 0:03:30.807 --> 0:03:33.367 That's the other thing you're meant to do. The longer 0:03:33.407 --> 0:03:36.967 the better, apparently, and symbols and numbers and all that 0:03:37.007 --> 0:03:37.927 kind of stuff, But don't we. 0:03:37.927 --> 0:03:38.407 Just do that? 0:03:38.927 --> 0:03:41.727 And then we go to my GUV the next time 0:03:41.927 --> 0:03:43.367 and my GUV says, what's your password? 0:03:43.367 --> 0:03:46.407 And you're like, no, one, no, fucking I don't understand. 0:03:46.447 --> 0:03:48.327 It's like, sure if you use a password manager, but 0:03:48.367 --> 0:03:50.207 I find that confusing because you have to remember the 0:03:50.207 --> 0:03:51.647 password to your password manager. 0:03:52.007 --> 0:03:54.607 But also how are the people who. 0:03:54.447 --> 0:03:56.607 Are changing their passwords every week remembering? 0:03:56.847 --> 0:03:58.887 Because then I try and change my password, but then 0:03:58.887 --> 0:04:00.487 I write it in my notes, SAP, and I feel 0:04:00.487 --> 0:04:01.607 like that's not good security. 0:04:01.927 --> 0:04:04.327 No no, And then you sometimes try and get really 0:04:04.527 --> 0:04:07.327 smart and try and disguise what it is. Instead of 0:04:07.447 --> 0:04:13.207 bank you might say, like Shank, what. 0:04:13.087 --> 0:04:16.367 I hate is when you forget your password and you 0:04:16.447 --> 0:04:18.967 tell the computer whatever you're trying to log into thing 0:04:18.967 --> 0:04:21.287 forgot my passwords, and I like, reset the past. I'm like, okay, 0:04:21.367 --> 0:04:23.127 reset the password, and they're like, you can't use an 0:04:23.167 --> 0:04:23.807 old password? 0:04:24.047 --> 0:04:26.087 What do you mean you told me I forgot? 0:04:26.127 --> 0:04:28.927 This part is I know this is all very important, 0:04:29.087 --> 0:04:31.247 you know, security, but do you remember when Amelia Lester 0:04:31.407 --> 0:04:33.167 told you the other week that there was just a 0:04:33.247 --> 0:04:35.567 slow was it called the shitification of sperification? 0:04:35.647 --> 0:04:37.487 I keep I from saying it everywhere. 0:04:37.127 --> 0:04:41.127 Like internet security is part of that because like constantly 0:04:41.207 --> 0:04:42.967 having to be I had to do this yesterday there 0:04:42.967 --> 0:04:45.607 was a specific streaming service I wanted to watch a 0:04:45.647 --> 0:04:48.967 show on, couldn't remember my passwords, wasn't letting me in. 0:04:49.287 --> 0:04:51.287 Called Brent. He was at home, He couldn't remember what. 0:04:51.447 --> 0:04:55.607 I just started a whole new account from like and 0:04:55.647 --> 0:04:57.647 then I'm like, at some point I'll sort out the 0:04:57.687 --> 0:05:00.447 pavements for that, but like, I'm just starting again. Scorched it, 0:05:00.687 --> 0:05:03.607 Let's go. It's the stification of everything because I spent 0:05:03.727 --> 0:05:05.807 half my life going forgot password. 0:05:06.687 --> 0:05:08.687 There's already an account link to this email. 0:05:08.767 --> 0:05:12.287 Well, I don't know where that is. Let's start a 0:05:12.327 --> 0:05:16.407 new email for your cat. That'll take me ten minutes. 0:05:23.127 --> 0:05:26.927 Britney Spears has posted a video of herself to Instagram. 0:05:27.167 --> 0:05:30.167 She's wearing a wedding dress with a whole veil in everything, 0:05:30.407 --> 0:05:33.487 and she's doing some cutesy poses for the camera. The 0:05:33.527 --> 0:05:37.127 caption of this post reads the Day I married myself. 0:05:37.327 --> 0:05:40.287 Bringing it back because it might seem embarrassing or stupid, 0:05:40.447 --> 0:05:43.767 but I think it's the most brilliant thing I've ever done. 0:05:43.927 --> 0:05:44.607 Oh Britney. 0:05:44.927 --> 0:05:48.407 So it's unclear whether or not she's actually married herself, 0:05:48.487 --> 0:05:51.087 but it is a thing. Marrying yourself is a thing. 0:05:51.247 --> 0:05:54.207 It's called sologamy, and it's the idea that you marry 0:05:54.247 --> 0:05:57.887 yourself to live a fulfilling life as a sologamist. So 0:05:58.167 --> 0:06:00.807 there are actual people who've done this. A PR consultant 0:06:00.927 --> 0:06:03.767 named Sophie Tanner has done this, and she said that 0:06:03.807 --> 0:06:06.967 it's a way of her showing that she loves herself 0:06:07.007 --> 0:06:09.767 and celebrating herself the same way that married people can 0:06:09.807 --> 0:06:12.967 celebrate themselves. So it's like the ceremony around it. It's 0:06:12.967 --> 0:06:15.607 not technically legal, which means you can have fun with 0:06:15.647 --> 0:06:17.727 it and do whatever you want. But it's a way 0:06:17.847 --> 0:06:21.247 of your family and friends recognizing yourself and the love 0:06:21.287 --> 0:06:25.407 that you have for yourself as a single person. This 0:06:25.687 --> 0:06:29.727 is the worst time of year to find out about slogamy. 0:06:30.607 --> 0:06:32.647 Why do you remember? I think it was a few 0:06:32.647 --> 0:06:34.527 weeks ago. The two of you and me are talked 0:06:34.567 --> 0:06:37.967 about cuffing season, yes, and how everyone's kind of coupling 0:06:38.047 --> 0:06:40.887 up now during their like no one is more aware 0:06:41.047 --> 0:06:44.647 of cuffing season than the single person. I see it everywhere, 0:06:44.687 --> 0:06:48.327 and it's always October. October is the time of year 0:06:48.407 --> 0:06:52.567 where everyone who's single ends up in a situationship because 0:06:53.127 --> 0:06:55.327 everyone's thinking about it's the end of year. I'm gonna 0:06:55.327 --> 0:06:57.727 have to see family, I'm gonna go have to visit people. 0:06:57.847 --> 0:07:00.487 My family's gonna ask me, are you seeing anyone? You 0:07:00.487 --> 0:07:02.287 have to say yes so they get off your back. 0:07:02.367 --> 0:07:04.767 So you end up being in a situationship. Then you 0:07:04.807 --> 0:07:06.487 have those like in between days where you're like, I'm 0:07:06.487 --> 0:07:08.927 not really sure what I'm doing between Christmas and New Years, 0:07:09.287 --> 0:07:11.007 And then you have New Years and you're like, actually, 0:07:11.047 --> 0:07:14.047 I don't want this relationship, so I feel like it's 0:07:14.087 --> 0:07:15.967 a new year, and you me, I need to start fresh. 0:07:16.167 --> 0:07:17.367 You've spent too much time in there. 0:07:17.567 --> 0:07:19.127 And then you haven't seen them in a month because 0:07:19.127 --> 0:07:21.287 you're with family, and then it's nearly like the end 0:07:21.367 --> 0:07:23.487 of jam. But you can't move into February because it's 0:07:23.527 --> 0:07:26.167 Valentine's Day. You can't break up with someone before Valentine's Day, 0:07:26.247 --> 0:07:28.407 complex so you break up on the thirty first of 0:07:28.487 --> 0:07:30.927 January after getting together in October. 0:07:31.247 --> 0:07:34.527 You do so I mean, this feels quite nihilistic, which 0:07:34.567 --> 0:07:38.487 makes me wonder, are you thinking of just going full slogamists. 0:07:37.927 --> 0:07:42.527 And turning up to family events? I come, I married myself? 0:07:42.887 --> 0:07:44.607 Oh yeah, because like, how else will I get a 0:07:44.607 --> 0:07:47.247 wedding gift? Like, how are you getting wedding gifts? 0:07:47.247 --> 0:07:47.527 Holly? 0:07:47.727 --> 0:07:49.967 Look, I'm not And this is one of the things 0:07:49.967 --> 0:07:52.127 I want to write an angry letter to somebody there. 0:07:52.927 --> 0:07:55.327 So I went deep on the slogamists and the marrying 0:07:55.367 --> 0:07:58.287 yourself thing because I think it's easy to kind of 0:07:59.527 --> 0:08:01.447 mock it a little bit and laugh at it, because 0:08:01.447 --> 0:08:03.847 there are actually loads of people who've done this. There 0:08:03.847 --> 0:08:06.087 are loads of people who've done it. The first person 0:08:06.087 --> 0:08:07.807 who did it that we know about is a woman 0:08:07.847 --> 0:08:10.927 called Linda Baker in America. It in nineteen ninety three, right, 0:08:11.287 --> 0:08:13.167 and since then it's become a bit of a thing 0:08:13.247 --> 0:08:16.447 and women, it's always women apparently are doing it as 0:08:16.487 --> 0:08:19.407 an act of self love. But also and I love 0:08:19.447 --> 0:08:22.087 the refreshing honesty in this. There was a woman who 0:08:22.167 --> 0:08:26.007 was India's first sologamist bride, saying she always wanted to 0:08:26.087 --> 0:08:28.927 be a bride, but not a wife or Holly English 0:08:28.967 --> 0:08:31.287 the Australian woman who did it a few years ago, 0:08:31.567 --> 0:08:33.807 who said she'd always wanted a wedding. She said, I've 0:08:33.807 --> 0:08:36.127 now accepted I might never find a partner, and I'm happy, 0:08:36.127 --> 0:08:38.367 but I always wanted a wedding, right, And why should 0:08:38.407 --> 0:08:41.447 weddings and the party, in the gifts and the dress 0:08:41.447 --> 0:08:44.487 and that all everyone comes together only be for the 0:08:44.527 --> 0:08:46.927 coupled up. So there's that reason to do it right. 0:08:47.007 --> 0:08:49.887 That can feel a little bit passag like that famous 0:08:50.167 --> 0:08:52.807 Sex and the City episode where she's like, where are 0:08:52.847 --> 0:08:55.367 my baby shower gifts? Where are my engagement presents? Somebody 0:08:55.367 --> 0:08:57.167 should buy me a pair of shoes. So that feels 0:08:57.207 --> 0:09:00.847 a bit passag But I also think on a more 0:09:00.927 --> 0:09:04.727 sort of positive note, it speaks to the fact that 0:09:04.807 --> 0:09:06.647 as women have got more choice than ever about how 0:09:06.647 --> 0:09:10.047 they live, we still have very few ways to celebrate 0:09:10.207 --> 0:09:12.607 women who aren't following the normal script, which is like 0:09:12.687 --> 0:09:15.127 get engaged, get married, then have a baby, then da 0:09:15.167 --> 0:09:17.687 da da da, and have all these like milestones that 0:09:17.727 --> 0:09:21.407 we accept are things to celebrate. We haven't yet figured 0:09:21.447 --> 0:09:25.127 out how we celebrate women who aren't following that path, 0:09:25.247 --> 0:09:27.887 And so I reckon that this is a great thing. 0:09:28.167 --> 0:09:32.647 I totally respect that reading, and I can see how 0:09:32.687 --> 0:09:36.167 even for Britney Spears, it could be healing. She's clearly 0:09:36.247 --> 0:09:39.887 had some experiences in the past with marriages that haven't worked, 0:09:40.367 --> 0:09:42.927 and it could be seen as sort of a radical 0:09:42.967 --> 0:09:45.127 feminist act. And I see that with a few of 0:09:45.127 --> 0:09:49.447 the examples. But another part of me worries that this 0:09:49.567 --> 0:09:53.247 is belonging to a bit of a shift where we're 0:09:53.367 --> 0:09:55.967 kidding ourselves into thinking we don't need anyone like and 0:09:56.007 --> 0:09:58.407 I don't mean romantically, I just mean broadly. 0:09:58.847 --> 0:10:00.287 So with the. 0:10:00.287 --> 0:10:07.047 Rise of introversion and toxicity and boundaries and therapy speek 0:10:07.127 --> 0:10:11.327 and a lot of people are living alone, I worry 0:10:11.367 --> 0:10:14.567 that we're deluding ourselves into thinking we can live as 0:10:14.607 --> 0:10:17.167 islands when that isn't good for us. 0:10:17.247 --> 0:10:19.087 But this is just a wedding, and a wedding is 0:10:19.127 --> 0:10:22.087 actually an act of connection, right, Like you invite people, 0:10:22.407 --> 0:10:24.247 then they're all there. That's one of things everyone loves 0:10:24.247 --> 0:10:26.527 about weddings, right is they're like, all my people are here, 0:10:26.607 --> 0:10:30.287 all my friends, my family, and I'm connecting and celebrating. Right, Yes, 0:10:30.407 --> 0:10:33.527 So that argument that you're putting forward is about singled 0:10:33.567 --> 0:10:34.607 and broadly. 0:10:34.607 --> 0:10:37.207 Right, it's not even about singleedom because I think that 0:10:37.247 --> 0:10:39.527 you can be highly connected and single, yeah, and I 0:10:39.567 --> 0:10:42.527 think you can be very lonely and coupled yeap. But 0:10:42.767 --> 0:10:47.647 there's this kind of go girl feminism thing or it's 0:10:47.847 --> 0:10:50.327 disguised as feminism that I see online, which is sort 0:10:50.327 --> 0:10:54.887 of like, you don't need anyone self love, isn't it. 0:10:54.807 --> 0:10:57.807 More, you don't need a partner, you don't need a 0:10:57.887 --> 0:11:00.927 romantic partner because to be honest with that one in 0:11:01.007 --> 0:11:03.327 sound like Debbie Downer and this like marriage hasn't always 0:11:03.367 --> 0:11:05.567 been great for lots of women, nor hasn't. So the 0:11:05.687 --> 0:11:08.607 freedom to be able to opt out of that and say, 0:11:08.727 --> 0:11:10.767 maybe I'm not going to marry, maybe I'm never gonna 0:11:10.807 --> 0:11:12.647 be partnered, maybe I'm going to live my life on 0:11:12.687 --> 0:11:15.647 my terms. It doesn't mean that that person is going 0:11:15.727 --> 0:11:18.887 to be lonely disconnected. That's not what it means. 0:11:19.007 --> 0:11:22.967 Something about and look, the whole marriage industry, wedding industry 0:11:23.087 --> 0:11:25.527 is something that you know, we've criticized a lot on 0:11:25.567 --> 0:11:27.687 this show, and I completely agree with all of it. 0:11:28.127 --> 0:11:31.047 But there's something about the connection of two people and 0:11:31.087 --> 0:11:35.327 the connection of two families that I feel like weddings 0:11:35.407 --> 0:11:39.807 or marriages are about and I think I bristle whenever 0:11:40.327 --> 0:11:43.327 the self love thing comes up. There's something because I 0:11:43.367 --> 0:11:47.727 feel like there's something narcissistic about it. I feel as 0:11:47.767 --> 0:11:52.527 though you can love oneself too much. But don't you think, Jesse, 0:11:52.687 --> 0:11:54.327 that we worship oneself too much? 0:11:54.367 --> 0:11:57.527 But don't you think, Jesse, that we're always telling people 0:11:57.647 --> 0:12:00.487 that self love is the most important thing for their 0:12:00.767 --> 0:12:03.887 mental health and their stability. And yet at the same time, 0:12:04.047 --> 0:12:06.647 we tell people, women in particular, that they are incomplete 0:12:06.727 --> 0:12:09.167 unless they have a partner. Right, That's the cultural narrative 0:12:09.247 --> 0:12:12.927 that we're all swimming in, is like, Yeah, you've got 0:12:12.967 --> 0:12:15.087 to love yourself otherwise no one else will love you. 0:12:15.127 --> 0:12:17.807 That's basically the point. It's like, love yourself with the 0:12:17.847 --> 0:12:19.327 aim of someone else loving you. 0:12:19.847 --> 0:12:21.887 But that roma's always been the wrong word. 0:12:22.047 --> 0:12:25.887 But that intense focus on romantic love being the only 0:12:26.607 --> 0:12:31.607 true way to happiness is just disproven all the time. Yeah, 0:12:32.087 --> 0:12:35.247 what about you? Are you going to do it? How 0:12:35.247 --> 0:12:37.167 do you feel about it when you see these women? 0:12:37.527 --> 0:12:41.447 Do you feel go girly? Like? What's your vibe about it? 0:12:41.487 --> 0:12:44.687 For me, it reminds me of whenever I want to 0:12:44.807 --> 0:12:49.007 plan a birthday party for myself, because I always feel 0:12:49.047 --> 0:12:52.687 like such a dick. It's about getting people together who 0:12:52.687 --> 0:12:54.807 are like, these people love me, surely they want to 0:12:54.807 --> 0:12:58.287 celebrate me. Come to my dinner, but also pay for 0:12:58.327 --> 0:13:01.167 your dinner and get me a present, and like, just 0:13:01.207 --> 0:13:03.167 celebrate the love that you have for me. 0:13:03.527 --> 0:13:04.847 And it's like asking people to. 0:13:04.847 --> 0:13:08.047 Do something that seems so weird, whereas like if it's 0:13:08.047 --> 0:13:10.487 a wedding and it's celebrating partnership, or if you have 0:13:10.527 --> 0:13:14.007 a partner and they host the birthday party for you, 0:13:14.247 --> 0:13:14.847 it's different. 0:13:15.367 --> 0:13:16.887 Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. 0:13:17.047 --> 0:13:19.527 I hosted a birthday party for someone else at my 0:13:19.527 --> 0:13:21.447 house this weekend, and I really enjoyed it. And then 0:13:21.487 --> 0:13:23.967 I kind of went, oh, my birthday's coming up, like 0:13:23.967 --> 0:13:26.647 I should do something, And I thought I felt really 0:13:26.687 --> 0:13:28.647 icked out by the idea of having people over to 0:13:28.647 --> 0:13:30.927 my house for my own birthday. But then a part 0:13:30.927 --> 0:13:33.487 of me is like, if you want to celebrate yourself 0:13:33.607 --> 0:13:35.487 or you want to get together with a bunch of people, 0:13:35.767 --> 0:13:37.807 then there are lots of ways to do that. There's 0:13:37.847 --> 0:13:41.207 something about the marriage to myself that makes me feel. 0:13:41.207 --> 0:13:43.487 When you first said in your introduction, m about it 0:13:43.527 --> 0:13:45.527 being like a pr consultant, I was like, yeah, of course, 0:13:45.607 --> 0:13:48.807 pr Consultant's just a stunt, Like it's a stunt that's 0:13:48.847 --> 0:13:53.007 meant to make us all go were like, and there 0:13:53.047 --> 0:13:54.847 is this moral panic about single women. 0:13:54.887 --> 0:13:57.807 Enoughness, Like imagine that that woman feels like she's enough 0:13:57.807 --> 0:13:59.927 on her own, Like how terrifying would that be? 0:14:00.447 --> 0:14:01.647 Yeah, true, true. 0:14:01.687 --> 0:14:04.527 I just find the the worship of the self, and 0:14:04.567 --> 0:14:06.767 I worry about that. I imagine one person at the 0:14:06.807 --> 0:14:08.727 altar and they're like, I love you because blah blah 0:14:08.727 --> 0:14:10.367 blah blah blah, and then they run around the other 0:14:10.407 --> 0:14:12.007 side and they're like, I love you because blah blah 0:14:12.007 --> 0:14:13.767 blah blah blah, and then they kiss themselves. 0:14:13.407 --> 0:14:14.887 And then I just feel like that's apocalyptic. 0:14:15.087 --> 0:14:17.367 Would be interesting to know what the wedding vows are, 0:14:17.447 --> 0:14:18.447 Like I'll let you guys know. 0:14:23.767 --> 0:14:24.967 Mothery hell out. 0:14:29.647 --> 0:14:33.447 Politicians being pushed to answer whether they are secretly planning 0:14:33.567 --> 0:14:38.007 to make terminating a pregnancy illegal, a heated staush about 0:14:38.047 --> 0:14:40.647 exactly how many weeks is the acceptable number of weeks 0:14:40.687 --> 0:14:43.967 to have an abortion, a university walk out over a 0:14:44.007 --> 0:14:47.407 pro life graduation speech, and one of the most prominent 0:14:47.447 --> 0:14:52.607 politicians in the country calling termination after the first trimester infanticide. 0:14:53.247 --> 0:14:55.487 If you think I'm talking about the United States right 0:14:55.487 --> 0:14:59.167 now and American politics in particular, you'd be wrong. These 0:14:59.207 --> 0:15:02.767 are all things that happened in Australia this week and 0:15:02.807 --> 0:15:04.727 this is all adding up to a political push to 0:15:04.767 --> 0:15:07.247 get a woman's right to choose into our voting booths. 0:15:07.567 --> 0:15:10.927 But why and how Here's a very top line overview, 0:15:10.927 --> 0:15:13.847 because this is quite complicated. So for context, there's a 0:15:13.847 --> 0:15:17.527 big state election happening in Queensland this weekend. High Queenslanders, 0:15:17.527 --> 0:15:20.887 I'm sure you're very very aware of it. It's largely 0:15:20.967 --> 0:15:23.487 expected that the Labor government is going to be overturned 0:15:23.527 --> 0:15:25.727 by the Coalition in a bit of a landslide after 0:15:25.807 --> 0:15:29.047 nine years in power. The reason that abortion has popped 0:15:29.127 --> 0:15:31.767 up as an issue in that election is that Robbie Catter, 0:15:32.007 --> 0:15:34.767 who is the leader of the Cara Australia Party and 0:15:34.807 --> 0:15:37.847 Bob Katter's Sun and that party does have some sway 0:15:37.847 --> 0:15:40.447 in Queensland it has three seats i think, which represent 0:15:40.487 --> 0:15:42.967 a geographically big part of the state, says that he 0:15:43.007 --> 0:15:46.967 would immediately introduce a private member's bill to wind back 0:15:47.007 --> 0:15:50.487 abortion access in the state, something that if a conscience 0:15:50.567 --> 0:15:53.367 vote was allowed on the matter could actually happen. The 0:15:53.447 --> 0:15:55.887 Liberal leader, though, the guy who's going to be the 0:15:55.927 --> 0:15:58.527 premiere if everything goes the way that people think it's 0:15:58.527 --> 0:16:00.967 going to go, is a guy called David Chris A. Fooley, 0:16:01.007 --> 0:16:03.167 and he has had to spend the whole week being 0:16:03.247 --> 0:16:06.207 asked about this and denying it and saying it's not 0:16:06.247 --> 0:16:09.007 going to be the case. But it hasn't stopped the speculation, 0:16:09.767 --> 0:16:12.247 not helped by the fact that one of his candidates, 0:16:12.367 --> 0:16:16.127 Freya Ostapovich, has been recorded telling voters I am on 0:16:16.167 --> 0:16:18.447 the record, I am pro life. I can't say anything 0:16:18.487 --> 0:16:22.567 yet because we've got to get elected before we do anything. Meanwhile, 0:16:22.607 --> 0:16:26.087 in South Australia, a bill was narrowly voted down that 0:16:26.127 --> 0:16:29.087 would have banned a procedure involved in a very late 0:16:29.207 --> 0:16:33.007 term abortion. Now it's a very complicated and emotional discussion, 0:16:33.047 --> 0:16:36.487 this one, because it involves a tiny number of pregnancies 0:16:36.847 --> 0:16:40.167 that end in a very specific medical way under really 0:16:40.367 --> 0:16:44.927 egregious circumstances. Those kind of circumstances were spelled out this 0:16:45.007 --> 0:16:47.647 week on Mamma Mia by a woman called Natasha Williams. 0:16:48.047 --> 0:16:51.847 She explained how her baby Toby was diagnosed with very 0:16:51.887 --> 0:16:55.527 severe life limiting conditions at the beginning of her third trimester, 0:16:56.127 --> 0:16:58.967 and making the decision to undergo the procedure that this 0:16:59.047 --> 0:17:03.167 band would have outlawed was, Natasha says, the single most 0:17:03.167 --> 0:17:06.007 difficult thing I have ever done, as it would be 0:17:06.087 --> 0:17:08.847 for all mothers who are faced with this heartbreaking decision. 0:17:09.247 --> 0:17:11.367 But I did it because I loved him with every 0:17:11.447 --> 0:17:14.967 inch of my broken heart. Now, with these very emotive 0:17:15.007 --> 0:17:17.927 issues bubbling away, we're now at the point where yesterday 0:17:17.967 --> 0:17:22.647 in Sydney at a Conservative conference, Coalition Senator Jacinto Naberjerra 0:17:22.727 --> 0:17:26.127 Price said she wanted abortion back on the national agenda 0:17:26.247 --> 0:17:29.887 and that pregnancies ended after the first trimester are immoral. 0:17:30.207 --> 0:17:34.527 She used the word infanticide, Jesse, A lot of us 0:17:34.567 --> 0:17:37.527 are confused about how this is suddenly in all of 0:17:37.527 --> 0:17:39.567 our headlines here, and it feels like there are some 0:17:39.607 --> 0:17:42.487 who are keen to make this issue political in Australia 0:17:42.567 --> 0:17:45.887 in the way that traditionally it just isn't right. Do 0:17:45.927 --> 0:17:47.407 you think that they'll succeed. 0:17:47.887 --> 0:17:53.007 It feels like a political debate that will never be 0:17:53.047 --> 0:17:56.927 fully settled or fully decided, and I wonder if that's 0:17:56.967 --> 0:18:02.607 because of how highly emotional it is for all people involved. 0:18:02.767 --> 0:18:08.607 So it speaks to the definition of human life, who 0:18:08.687 --> 0:18:11.687 we see a base is belonging to. It's also about faith, 0:18:11.767 --> 0:18:17.647 people's religious beliefs, and it's about women who have made, 0:18:18.087 --> 0:18:21.927 in consultation with their doctor the most heartbreaking decision they've 0:18:21.967 --> 0:18:23.687 ever had to make in their life, and then being 0:18:23.807 --> 0:18:26.847 told by a politician that it's infanticide. I cannot imagine 0:18:26.887 --> 0:18:30.167 what that would do to someone. It feels as though 0:18:30.247 --> 0:18:33.767 it's definitely being used as a political football film. 0:18:33.807 --> 0:18:34.807 We've seen this in the past. 0:18:34.887 --> 0:18:37.127 It comes up and I think everyone looks at each 0:18:37.127 --> 0:18:41.607 other and goes, aren't we talking about one person here? Like, really, 0:18:41.647 --> 0:18:44.727 in terms of all the issues that affect Australians, this 0:18:44.887 --> 0:18:47.007 is such a tiny minority. I was looking at the 0:18:47.087 --> 0:18:49.447 South Australia example, and I think they were saying that 0:18:49.447 --> 0:18:51.807 in the last eighteen months it almost didn't impact anyone, 0:18:51.967 --> 0:18:55.647 Like there was no one where this was actually an issue, 0:18:55.647 --> 0:18:59.127 and the women who I think Natasha's story was so 0:18:59.167 --> 0:19:02.807 important because when we're talking about terminating a pregnancy at 0:19:02.807 --> 0:19:05.127 thirty five weeks, To be completely honest, I think that 0:19:05.127 --> 0:19:06.607 a lot of people do look at each other and go, 0:19:06.727 --> 0:19:10.847 wait what, one hundred percent that's very emotional, like the 0:19:10.927 --> 0:19:13.967 image that that conjures up in your head. If you 0:19:14.167 --> 0:19:16.807 have ever been pregnant and you know what it is 0:19:16.847 --> 0:19:19.367 to look at that ultrasound, you're just kind of going, oh, 0:19:19.447 --> 0:19:22.367 people can snap their fingers, and that's just not what's happening. 0:19:22.367 --> 0:19:26.847 It's a deliberate misrepresentation. But I've just found the whole 0:19:26.887 --> 0:19:30.287 thing quite distressing to see it play out, especially because 0:19:30.287 --> 0:19:33.167 we know that when Roverse Wade has been round back 0:19:33.167 --> 0:19:35.727 in the US, it's not an exaggeration to say that 0:19:35.807 --> 0:19:38.447 women have died. There are examples of women who have 0:19:38.527 --> 0:19:42.487 died because you're privileging that baby's life, and you're going, 0:19:42.887 --> 0:19:47.127 are you know there are times in which late stage 0:19:47.167 --> 0:19:50.087 there might be a fetal abnormalady or whatever, but you 0:19:50.127 --> 0:19:52.007 get to the point where the woman is almost dead, 0:19:52.047 --> 0:19:57.127