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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore, the.

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Speaker 2: of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful

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Speaker 2: Milk Bar Ces. The Ya is a series of conversations

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Speaker 2: on finding a life you love. And exploring the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 2: From his earliest days, Mitch Jury could be found on

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Speaker 2: this show, whether engineered on purpose or experienced involuntarily, and

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Speaker 2: Chat Show, Mitch is such an empowering example of this,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is such a pleasure. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: We had a almond milk. They stopped buying almond milk

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I got a job as the barista. I

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Speaker 1: Right, that's right, steaming milk for Jackie. Oh. I mean

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Speaker 1: night show at twenty two, and then that got upgraded

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Speaker 1: when I was twenty five to Time nights, and then

435
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Speaker 1: by twenty seven I had Drive with Britain Laura, and

436
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 1: then I left at twenty nine. So it's I just

437
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: kept saying yes to everything. It was that like boyish

438
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 1: charm that I think worked in high school in that

439
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 1: we've missed speechly in the in the staff room, it

440
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 1: was the same kind of thing. I was one hundred

441
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Speaker 1: percent myself and I was uninhibited by the industry. I

442
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,919
Speaker 1: had never worked even the executives. I don't know who

443
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: these people were, so I could go in and be

444
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: a little cheeky dick like I was cheeky and they

445
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: love that. It also works with the brand Kisses Cheeky,

446
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: So it was the perfect alignment of like, who is

447
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: this kid with all this confidence? In any other workplace

448
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 1: would have been told to shut up, sit down and

449
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,439
Speaker 1: be quiet, but in an environment like this, it was

450
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: it was they egged it on me, you know, they

451
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: threw more gas on the fire because they're like, this

452
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: is it. In fact, when I first started, I said

453
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Speaker 1: I want to get on air. I want to show

454
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Speaker 1: I want to be on air. And in radio you

455
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 1: record what's known as a demo, where you just you

456
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 1: mock up being on air. You go into the studio

457
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Speaker 1: and you mock it up. The first thing they said

458
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Speaker 1: was learn how to panel, which in a radio studios

459
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Speaker 1: era like this giant. I'm sure you've been in like

460
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 1: a meter long, even a meter and a half set

461
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,479
Speaker 1: of buttons and there would be upwards of two hundred

462
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Speaker 1: buttons on this desk and they put the radio station live,

463
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Speaker 1: they can take the radio station off, they play sound effects,

464
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Speaker 1: they play the songs. And I went in and they

465
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Speaker 1: said you need to learn how to panel. And I

466
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: wasn't getting paid for this. I went in and I

467
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Speaker 1: would have spent maybe ten twelve weeks in that studio.

468
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Speaker 1: Every single day I went in on Sundays, I'd stay

469
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Speaker 1: untill ten o'clock at nine. I took a photo of

470
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Speaker 1: it on my iPhone, send it to my mom at

471
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Speaker 1: her office. She printed it on an a three piece

472
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Speaker 1: of paper, laminated it at a commercial office and I

473
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Speaker 1: would sit at home and I would pretend and practice

474
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Speaker 1: paneling so I could learn how to do it.

475
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is so wholesome that you laminated

476
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Speaker 2: it so you could practice at home. Midch I'm in

477
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 2: such dedication, but also a full circle moment. I always

478
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: say that the dots connect looking backwards. It's really easy

479
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: to connect them in hindsight, like the themes of who

480
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 2: you are and how you got to the next stage.

481
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: It all makes sense, but going forward it doesn't, which

482
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Speaker 2: or often doesn't, which brings me back to the star

483
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 2: now where you said, in the words of Gandhi, hire

484
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Speaker 2: this boy, he is fantastic at what he does. And

485
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Speaker 2: then he said, okay, GARDI never said that, but I'm

486
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Speaker 2: sure if he knew me, he would have.

487
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Speaker 3: And that kind of.

488
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Speaker 2: Ballsy belief that you'll just figure it out, either you

489
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Speaker 2: can do it already or if you don't know how

490
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Speaker 2: to do it yet, you'll work it out is such

491
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: a powerful attitude because most of us hold ourselves back

492
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Speaker 2: by saying I'm not ready, so I won't try, I

493
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Speaker 2: won't do the extra work. I won't take that kind

494
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Speaker 2: of initiative to go and print out the panel to

495
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Speaker 2: laminate it so I can learn how to do it

496
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Speaker 2: in my own time.

497
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Speaker 3: And that's obviously set you up in really good stead

498
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Speaker 3: to just succeed.

499
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Speaker 1: I think you're right. That is so embarrassed. Like the

500
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Speaker 1: fact that I wrote that I don't know you know

501
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: what you've seen my new website. I recently build a

502
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Speaker 1: new website and there's moments like that. There's a little

503
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: quips in there, like I think that little boyish energy

504
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Speaker 1: is still alive. And well, maybe not to that delusion

505
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: and to that stupidity, but I don't know that essence

506
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: of just throw it all against the wall, say yes

507
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: to everything. I try to still have. It's funny even

508
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: in like with this new show with the mid Chury

509
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Speaker 1: Chat Show that we were about a month into now,

510
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: with getting guests and pitching for these big celebrities because

511
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: it is a late night talk show. In my mind,

512
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Speaker 1: this is my chat show that I've always wanted to

513
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Speaker 1: have growing up. Even in pitching like to get these

514
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Speaker 1: big names, I'm doing the exact same thing that I

515
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Speaker 1: was doing when I was younger. I'm sending these cold

516
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Speaker 1: call emails and pulling out these stats. I'm saying why

517
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: it should be a us over other people, and it's working,

518
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: it's translating, and I don't know, maybe it is that

519
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Speaker 1: you know that boyish confidence, you know, the Gandhi.

520
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Speaker 2: Effect, the fake Gandhi effect that was made up but

521
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Speaker 2: still worked.

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Speaker 1: He would hated me and like Gandhi would not have

523
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Speaker 1: liked this little gay boy. He would have been like,

524
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Speaker 1: get out of here.

525
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Speaker 2: It's funny, you say, deluded, except that you did actually

526
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Speaker 2: go on to achieve all the things that you wanted to,

527
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: and then you did it in such a tighter timeline

528
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: than you probably ever expected that you'd be able to.

529
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Speaker 2: So before we do move on to the big pivot

530
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: and the Midturi chat show. As you mentioned, a lot

531
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: of the premise of this show is based on how

532
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: many of us start out chasing success. The reason we

533
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 2: set our goals is because we want to be successful,

534
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: and society really sets us up to think that we

535
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Speaker 2: needed climb ladders and get titles and chase metrics like that.

536
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: And obviously there's good reasons, there's a lot of stability

537
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: in that, but I think at some point a lot

538
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: of us have a turning point moment where that success

539
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Speaker 2: comes at the expense of happiness or we forget to

540
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: ask if we're really fulfilled. As you were going through

541
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Speaker 2: this medioric rise from barista to headliner, what were you chasing?

542
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: Were you motivated by being a success? I mean, we

543
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: work in an industry that's very numbers based, and it's

544
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Speaker 2: easy to say it's not a popularity contest, but it

545
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: absolutely is. You're getting your numbers every day, You're being

546
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: judged constantly and getting real time feedback. So what was

547
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: your driver? What was your metric for measuring your life?

548
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, good question. I think it was success.

549
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Like I, unfortunately was one of those kids that would

550
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: wanted to be famous, like I just really want. I

551
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: had that innate feeling and it's like, I don't know,

552
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: is it gross to say out loud? Maybe who wants that?

553
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

554
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: Lots of people I know, I know, but even.

555
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Speaker 1: To say it out loud is ridiculous. So it was

556
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Speaker 1: a level of that, to be honest with you, And

557
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: then also success is nice. It's hard to identify what

558
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: it is, but I can tell you what it wasn't like,

559
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: it's not money. That doesn't drive me, Like I do

560
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: love money and I loved a shop, but that was

561
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: not like my first radio job. I don't think I've

562
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: ever said this to anyone, but I was paid forty

563
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars when I had my first late night show.

564
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: I was working on the Kyle and Jackie oshow at

565
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 1: three am, and then I'd finish at eleven am, and

566
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Speaker 1: then I'd go home and sleep and get back to

567
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: work at four pm and work till midnight. And I

568
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: did that for two three years. It was wild, wild,

569
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: But for me, it was never like, oh who is me?

570
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: Like I need the cash. I knew it would come.

571
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,239
Speaker 1: I hoped it would come, and it did, so I'm

572
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: glad I stuck it out. But money's never been a

573
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: driver like gloating has never been a driver. I've never

574
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: done it to say look what I've done, because that

575
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me at all. It's like this innate drive

576
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: in me that wants to be a successful person and

577
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: entertain I have always the only thing, only through line

578
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: in my entertainment career is making people laugh, and it

579
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: has been that that has that's the essence that has

580
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: made me happiest. Is when I can have other people laughing.

581
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: I can control a room. I can command a room

582
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: that ties back to the school Captain and the holding

583
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Speaker 1: a room and the theater and the improv. When there's

584
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: a room laughing and it's something that I've done, or

585
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: it's with a joke or a quip. God, that is

586
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: when I'm happiest. So I think it's something in there, Sarah.

587
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: I love that so much because now the room that

588
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: you're holding is your own, it's your own show. And

589
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: I love quotes. I often come back to the quote

590
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: that not all storms come to disrupt your life.

591
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: Some come to clear a path.

592
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: And I think in the depths of a really shitty period,

593
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: it's easy to question why, and you know, it can

594
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: feel like the thing you've worked so hard for gets

595
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: taken away from you. But I also think that if

596
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: that hadn't happened to you, would you have ever made

597
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: this jump? Would you have started your own show? Would

598
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: you just have kept going on the chapter that you

599
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: were on and never have known that you could create

600
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: the mixtry chat show?

601
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: And that makes me shiver.

602
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: Oh listen, if you ever interview any of my close

603
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: friends that knew me throughout the last ten years, they

604
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: will tell you. They will all say the same thing

605
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: that you were ready to go. You needed to go. Wow,

606
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: I haven't really ever thought about it, but I probably

607
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: was ready to go at twenty six, twenty seven years old,

608
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: probably a good three years ago. I had gotten everything

609
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: I could out of radio, and I was fine on

610
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: autopilot towards the end. It's radio is one of those

611
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: jobs that requires one hundred percent of you, Like, how

612
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: many shows of this do you do a week? One?

613
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: Sometimes fortnightly.

614
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: What I was doing at the end was hosted The

615
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: Night Show with Mitch Jury, five live evening shows a night. Five.

616
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: Then I was also the co host of The Pickup

617
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: with Britt, Mitch and Laura. That was five live afternoon

618
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: shows a week. Same so that was ten shows a week.

619
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's not even Shirley Temple was doing

620
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: ten shows a week. This is they put there. They

621
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: were given Judy Garland uppers and down as and injecting

622
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: her with morphine and given a peal so she could

623
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: be in the Wizard of Oz. I was at KISSFM

624
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: doing a show in the afternoon live, a three hour

625
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: show in the afternoon live. I was making four hours

626
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: of live radio a day. Then I had my other podcast,

627
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: which was two episodes a week. Two extra. She was

628
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: genuinely insane. I had reached the point of being able

629
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: to do it all with my eyes closed because you

630
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: have to otherwise that workload it really drives you out.

631
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: And also, honestly, it was at a point where arm

632
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: and if you read the headlines and you read the

633
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: news and kiss FM love my team that worked there,

634
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: but they it was so deeply underappreciated. It was so

635
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: unfre fortunately blissfully unaware that the hours that I was

636
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: doing in the shows that I was making were like

637
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: driving me into the ground. I was exhausted. So when

638
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: everything was set and down and it all happened, yes,

639
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: my friends, and I can tell you that if I

640
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: wasn't pushed out, I would never have left.

641
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: Which doesn't mean that it wasn't absolutely sucky and awful

642
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: and undeserved and I'm sure traumatic.

643
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: At the time.

644
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: But it's funny how the universe just gives you these

645
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: little pushes when you have entered that autopilot mode and

646
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that you were incredible at what you

647
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: were doing. I think you were always destined to have

648
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: your own show, but it's what it took for you

649
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: to realize that. So for anyone who doesn't know the story,

650
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Speaker 2: tell us about what that moment was. When you were

651
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: doing ten shows a week, you were in our ears

652
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: every single day for hours, and you're doing it so

653
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: incredibly well. I think a lot of people don't know

654
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: outside of media that decisions get made. It appears very wontaneously.

655
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: You don't get noticed. Our jobs are actually quite unstable

656
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: A lot of the time.

657
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: You can go from the pinnacle to nothing.

658
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: In a day.

659
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: What was that moment of I've wanted this my entire life.

660
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: I have a show with my name on it, and

661
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: suddenly I don't have that anymore.

662
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: A major shock, and like, it just really took me

663
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: by surprise because it made no sense and also transparently,

664
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: it made no sense for the company, you know, to

665
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: take someone off two shows who was making commercial dollars

666
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: for the network. It doesn't make the whole thing sound

667
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: better for me. But the truth of the matter is

668
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: that the company made a decision where they had to

669
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Speaker 1: pay two breakfast hosts two hundred million dollars over ten years,

670
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: and they weren't in a financial position to do so.

671
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: But I get it, between a rock and a hard place,

672
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: they have to keep this show right. If they lose

673
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: the Kyle and JACKIEO show, the network crumbles. But if

674
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: they keep them, they got to pay the price, and

675
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: they've got to make two hundred and fifty staff redundant,

676
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: which they did. They had to make two hundred and

677
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: fifty plus staff redundant. I was one of them. So

678
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I was told, Sarah, I've never spoken about this either,

679
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: but I was identified by employee number. They hired, you know,

680
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: like an executioner, some man that comes in and he

681
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: wants all the salaries of all the staff, and he

682
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: wants their employee numbers, and he picks out by salary

683
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: and picks out by employee number. And I was identified,

684
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: not even by name, by number, and it was sent

685
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: through in an email and they said these guys must go,

686
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: and they're all right, And then once they start to

687
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: put the number the name, you know, my poor boss

688
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: gutted that it had to happen and pushed back for it.

689
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: It was either these redundities had to happen on a

690
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: company would dissolve. I'm not defending the company, but you've

691
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: got to just try and justify how it happens. So

692
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: no one internally wanted it to happen. The way radio

693
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: works is like listen, I could be back in five years,

694
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: I could be back in two years. I might never

695
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: go back to that network. But you don't closed doors,

696
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: you don't burn bridges like it is what it is.

697
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: It's business for God's sake. Like it was a shock

698
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: and it gutted me, and it was really deeply, deeply

699
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: upsetting because no one, no one had worked harder for

700
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: the station to succeed than I had. Genuinely, and I

701
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: say that completely objectively, like it was. I put so

702
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: much time into that network because I love the brand,

703
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: and it was so me It was so cheeky, it

704
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: was a reverend, it was fun. I gave them my

705
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: whole youth from nineteen to twenty nine. So for that

706
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: to happen was really a pivotal moment for me. But

707
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: I think I've worked through it. Otherwise I'll let you up,

708
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, so you can't kind of be upset by it.

709
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: You can't let it rule your life, because we all

710
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: know people in entertainment who allow a moment like that

711
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: to define who they are. And I classic radio was

712
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: I was always told You're only as good as your

713
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: last break, and a break in radio is a segment

714
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: when you're on it, and I kind of, you know,

715
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: apply that to my whole life, like you're only as

716
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: good as you are tomorrow. People only remember that the

717
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: next thing that you do. You know. So I've got

718
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: all this time, I've got all these assets, and I've

719
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: got these connections, and I've got this mind that wants

720
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: to work. So I'm only going to be held to

721
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: the standard of what I do next, not what I've done.

722
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: So I've kind of pushed forward with that matra top

723
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: of mind.

724
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's amazing. You've obviously done so much work

725
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: to be able to speak with such maturity about the

726
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: business case for what happened, because I think it's a

727
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: great reminder as much as it's personal to you. Of

728
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: course it's personal, it's your entire livelihood. I haven't have

729
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: to remind myself in our industry that when I lose

730
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: an opportunity or don't get a particular job, even if

731
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: you're the most deserving, even if you're the hardest working,

732
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: sometimes at this level decisions are made and it's not personal.

733
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: You are often a number in a spreadsheet, and as

734
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: unfair as that is, if you take it too personally.

735
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: You could cut off what that lesson could turn into,

736
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: or you could burn bridges that you shouldn't because you

737
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: never know what happens in this industry. But having said that,

738
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: I think even people outside of media can extrapolate when

739
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: something life changing unexpectedly hits you and then you face

740
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: these choices about whether to wallow or rebuild what was

741
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: for you. The turnaround time from being like, holy fuck,

742
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: my life, life has been pulled away from underneath me,

743
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: to actually, I'm going to channel this. I have the material,

744
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: I have the connections and skills. I'm going to start

745
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: my own show.

746
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: Like two weeks, like within three weeks. The concept of

747
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: the Michtury Chat Show had a full pitch deck, it

748
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: had design and had artworks. The concept was in my

749
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: head from you know, sixteen seventeen of hosting a talk show,

750
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: and it was a fully realized pitch deck maybe a

751
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: month later. And then about five weeks later it was

752
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: nominated for an Actor award for the Reg Grundy Award

753
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: the Best New Concept at the twenty twenty four actors

754
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars funding, And it was a whole thing.

755
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: And I went to the actors and I lost, and

756
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: it was Originally the idea was for those at home,

757
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: is I am a chat show junkie. I love Conan O'Brien,

758
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: I love David Leimann Rove Live. I grew up on

759
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: all these shows and it was the format that I

760
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: fell in love with. When I lived in New York.

761
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: I went and watched Late Night with Seth Meyers. When

762
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: I was in LA I saw Jimmy Kimmel twice. I

763
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: saw James Corden three times. I saw Harry Stiles host

764
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: his own episode of the Late Late Show. It was incredible,

765
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: and I love that. That is my dream job. So

766
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: I thought, let's just make it. But I initially said, well,

767
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: I've got all these contacts. I've interviewed you name a celebrity,

768
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: I've spoken to them. I've got, like you said, two

769
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty something million views. In my mind, I've

770
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: got this great case study for why this will work.

771
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: So I put together the pitch deck and I collated

772
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: the numbers, and I got the interviews that i'd had,

773
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: and I came up with this concept. And it's, you know,

774
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: very radio. To just make it, make it like when

775
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: you're making a daily live radio show, let alone too.

776
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: It's almost like you're driving a train. You're in charge

777
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: of driving the train, but you're also putting the tracks

778
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: down as you go. But unless you keep putting the

779
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: tracks down, you're derailed, you're done, you're gone for That's

780
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: how it felt. So I just continue laying down the

781
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: tracks and it's taking me down a very interesting round.

782
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: Because the TV network said, we love it, we like Umage.

783
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: Untested late night TV in Australia just doesn't work. We

784
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: tried it with Row, we tried to bring him back.

785
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: It didn't work, Like, why is this different? What's the

786
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: point of difference? And they all said, make a pilot

787
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: for us, which in the TV industry, i'm sure as

788
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: you all know, is you make one episode that is

789
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: perfect and looks like it's ready to air, and that's

790
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: what you shop it around. I got to draw a

791
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: budget it was like eighty six thousand dollars. With this money,

792
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: I've got a redundancy. I've also got some savings. You know,

793
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: I luckily was in a commercial radio job. In the end,

794
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm just going to filter all this cash into this project,

795
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: and rather than make one episode, I'm going to build

796
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: a set. I'm going to own it, and I'm going

797
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: to use all these contacts that I've gone because I

798
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: can get the guests. I can, at least I hoped

799
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: and thought I could get the guests. That was that

800
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: blind belief. I will make this. I'll do two episodes

801
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: a week, and in a year, not only will I

802
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: have a pilot, but I will have fifty four pilots

803
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: or one hundred and eight pilots episodes. I'll have proven numbers,

804
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: I'll have an audience ready to go, and I'll have

805
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: commercial success by the end of the year. And I

806
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: can then take that to a network and go, hey,

807
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: this isn't an idea anymore. It exists. Let's extrapolate on

808
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: what I've already got. But that's kind of the Mitch

809
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: Cheery chat too in a nutshell. Was meant to be

810
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: a TV show. Now it's this YouTube. I mean, it

811
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: is a chat show. It looks and sounds and feels

812
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: like a TV talk show, but it's built for the Internet.

813
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it is amazing.

814
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: And guys, if you haven't seen it, your first guest

815
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: was Tyra Banks. For God's sake, I mean.

816
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: I'm just doing this small little thing. No you're not.

817
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 3: It's already a huge.

818
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: Shot exactly, so camp and ridiculous, and I'm so lucky

819
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: and so grateful and yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like,

820
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: Tyra said no to me twice, Sarah first via her people,

821
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: second directly, and I went, shit, what am I like?

822
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: How am I going to do this? Because in my

823
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: head I left Keys, I had all this media attention,

824
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: I'd done a stellar photo shoot to announce the podcast,

825
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: and I stupidly hadn't booked any guests, and the show

826
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: was launching in two weeks, and I knew I wanted

827
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: Tyra a new I did because I knew I needed

828
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: to start with a bang, and I knew she lived

829
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: in Australia, and I wanted this to be at the

830
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: caliber of late night talk shows that we know and love.

831
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: So Tyra said no twice. She doesn't do podcasts. Tyra

832
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: has not done one podcast in the last five years

833
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: lived in Australia. She's done The Morning Show, she's done Sunrise,

834
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: she's done the Kyle and Jackie Oh Show, and something

835
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: for Mamma Mia. You can count on one hand how

836
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: many interviews and outlets that she's done and then she

837
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: had an ice cream launch opening, right, so I pictures

838
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: the podcast. They said, no picture. A second time went

839
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: really personal. You know, I'm hosting a chat show. I'm

840
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: Mitch Schury. No, so I whent and reworked and the

841
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: picture is different. The third time, and it was me calling.

842
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: It wasn't my team, it was me. This is the

843
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: Mitch Chury chat Show. It is a chat show. It's

844
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: a talk show. It's the first of its kinds in Australia.

845
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: It's a whole new wave of entertainment. Yes, you could

846
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: go and sit on a radio show and be heard

847
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: for four and a half minutes, maybe five if you're funny.

848
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: At seven fifty five that's peak listening time. Eight o'clock.

849
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: Kids are in the car on their way to school.

850
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: You'll be heard. Yes, they'll pop it up on their podcast.

851
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: That by the way, no one listens to radio catch

852
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: up podcasts. It's not a thing. It will go away

853
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: and it will disappear. Or you can come on this

854
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: chat show, which is a talk show. I promise you

855
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: it's a talk show. It's built for the Internet, it's

856
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: built for YouTube, but there's also podcasting as a side.

857
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: It's an extra and I know you you're a talk

858
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: show host. I want to be a talk show host.

859
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I will give you your moment and your viral moment,

860
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: and you will have not one funny moment on the radio,

861
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: but you'll have five, six, seven clips that will be

862
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: seen by the world. And she agreed to it on

863
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: that premise after that pitch, and then to date we're

864
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: almost where you know, I just under two million impressions

865
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: and all the TIRA content.

866
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: I mean, talk about a redemption arc.

867
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: This is so powerful and as someone who was there

868
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: on the sidelines watching everything happen and feeling like God,

869
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: this guy who is the king of media has been

870
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: ripped out about years to now see what has turned into.

871
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: I am such a woo woo believer that the universe

872
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: will push you into the things that you would not

873
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: otherwise maybe get to yourself and sometimes sure it's a

874
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: shit storm, but I see it now like this is

875
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: what you're meant to be doing.

876
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: I know, but like I've had to convince myself of that.

877
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: There hasn't been a moment of me going yes, that's you,

878
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: like that's right. I have to actively tell myself that

879
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. Otherwise I can slip back into those

880
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: feelings of woe is me and this was so unfair.

881
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: And I think it ties back to what I said

882
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: at the very start of this moment, this chat, is

883
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: that I was so conditioned to be given my successes

884
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: and bestowed upon me a show. And you've got Mitch

885
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: till Midnight. Congratulations twenty two year old Midge. You've got

886
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: the pick up with Britta, Mitch and Laura, And now

887
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: I've made this. But still somehow I'm having to rewire

888
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: why it doesn't feel as sweet or it doesn't feel

889
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: a success. And also it's not traditional media, it's new media.

890
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: But then I look at the Amelia to Moldenberg's of

891
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: the world from Chicken Shop Date in the UK, or

892
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: you look at the team behind Hot Ones, or you

893
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: look at Conan O'Brien who's completely redefined his career and

894
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: created a podcast that's the biggest in the country, and

895
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: you go, well, that can be success too. I just

896
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: have to relearn that that's what that is. And I've

897
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: done it for myself. So it sounds good, see and

898
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's success, but I really don't feel

899
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: that way yet. It's active you know, to be happy

900
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: with it all.

901
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's actually probably the most powerful takeaway

902
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: from this is that it is easy on the outside

903
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: to say, oh, look at the rejemption, Marc. It all

904
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: makes sense. Yay, I'm the thing that you always meant

905
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: to be doing. But it's a reminder to everyone that

906
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: you are constantly having.

907
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 3: To put in the work to get your head there.

908
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 2: It's nice to say these things, but sometimes your brain

909
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: needs to catch up to where life has kind of

910
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: thrown you, and it takes an active effort to seeza.

911
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it looks like a thing that just happens,

912
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: but it's called c's THEA because it's an active practice.

913
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: You're constantly rewiring your brain to see the world and

914
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: see where you are in a way that is the

915
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: most helpful for you. And it takes a lot of work.

916
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: I know. But how are you you someone that is

917
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: most happy when you've got career highs? Because I, unfortunately

918
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: am and I'm trying to unlearn it. Like I've got

919
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: this beautiful boyfriend, I've got two amazing parents, I've got

920
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: two amazing sisters, I'm now an uncle, I've got a

921
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: niece and a nephew, and that's amazing, and I love it,

922
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: Like I genuinely am so happy with all of that.

923
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: But then I'm I sometimes and this is so gross,

924
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: but I sometimes I am so happy and I'm my happiest

925
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: when I'm having career wins, and I'm it's like, am

926
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: I my broken? Why is that what drives me every day?

927
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: Not at all?

928
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. How do you do it?

929
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: It's actually a great question.

930
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm so fascinated by this being the question that you asked,

931
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: because I've had a lot of friends follow their dreams

932
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: and absolutely walk away from something that was not bad

933
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: to begin with. It was something they loved in one context,

934
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: but they moved into bringing something to life that's their own.

935
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: And I genuinely believe that the biggest headfuck of going

936
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: out on your own, Like, sure, it's the dream, you

937
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: own everything, You're not at the mercy of anyone. All

938
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: your successes are yours. There's so many incredible parts of it, but.

939
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: The hardest part is the fact that there.

940
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: Are no performance reviews, there's no charts, there's no boss,

941
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: there's no marker of progress, there's not even really promotions,

942
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: So you know, since I left law, I went from

943
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: the most external concept of success, people handing me things,

944
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: pats on the back.

945
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: It was so.

946
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: Clearly like you're a first year, then you're a second year,

947
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 2: you get a pay rise at these markers, you become

948
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: a partner. It was a really clear trajectory. But now

949
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: for ten years I've been doing what I do now

950
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: where no one's telling me where I should be, or

951
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: what level I'm at, or how many years into your

952
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: media career you should be. Where there's no measure of

953
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: where you are versus everyone else. And that's a really

954
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: big rewiring of how you define your life. And a

955
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: big part of this show has been my process of

956
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: learning that and hearing other people who have already got

957
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: there and how they worked it out. Because it's so new.

958
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: For you, you're the one who has to set the

959
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: successes and the winds. You have to celebrate them, and like,

960
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: my boyfriend is so good at doing that for me

961
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: and reminding me to celebrate those little moments because if

962
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: you don't, they'll speed by, they'll fly by, right Like

963
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: even when I built this set, because I wanted the

964
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: show to look like a talk show, a chat shirt,

965
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: so I built. It's a little Dan. It's like inspired

966
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: by Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen. It's this

967
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: little entertainment Dan. And I was sitting there one day

968
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, I've been in here for a

969
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: month and I haven't even sat in the room for

970
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: a moment, and gone, wait, this was a digital render

971
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: on an email five weeks ago, six weeks ago, and

972
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: now I'm sitting in it. It's crazy, Like, but I

973
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: will not be happy until it wins a fucking LOGI

974
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: like whate wrong with me? You know, or when it's

975
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: on traditional TV it's wild, or when it hits ten

976
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: million views, Like it's crazy that that's how we act

977
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: and how we work. And the fact like it's not

978
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: lost on me that I get to do this for

979
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: a living and it's so much fun and I get

980
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: to interview these stars and even today we yesterday I

981
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: interviewed Rosie O'Donnell and that interview dropped today.

982
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: I saw that this morning. That is insane.

983
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: It's insane, and it's so cool and so fun. I'm

984
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: so lucky. But you know, until it's successful, I won't rest.

985
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: I can't rest.

986
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: Sadly, isn't that funny. I don't think it's until it's successful.

987
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: I think it is successful already. It's until you feel

988
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: it's successful, which is a really big difference. And that's

989
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: kind of the point I'm trying to make with this show.

990
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: You've transplanted yourself from one environment with one set of

991
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: success metrics, and now you're living in a completely different one.

992
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 2: But your brain hasn't really caught up yet, and that's

993
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: sort of what you're doing at the moment.

994
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. It'll take time, but I'm kind

995
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: of enjoying the process.

996
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: But I'm so grateful for how open and honest you've been,

997
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: because I think it would be a lot easier to

998
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: just say I'm living my dream. This is my revenge body,

999
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: but my revenge chat show, and I love it every day.

1000
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: But the fact that you have.

1001
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: Shared that it's a bit of a journey to get

1002
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: your head there, even after Tyra Banks and a Rosio O'Donnell,

1003
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 2: it's really powerful.

1004
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean, even when I was a kiss, I felt

1005
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: the same, you know, like I don't know, like I

1006
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: don't I don't know when I will feel fully satisfied

1007
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: and successful.

1008
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: You never felt that beforehand.

1009
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: No, I still haven't.

1010
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: Stop it.

1011
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: No, now it really is. I'm not lying. It's the sick,

1012
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: twisted upbringing at a radio station that treats you like that.

1013
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: And this isn't this isn't a thing about where I worked.

1014
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: This is the industry as a whole, right, Like they

1015
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: treated you as you were so lucky to be here.

1016
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean there were moments, the things that I could say.

1017
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: I will put it all in a book one day,

1018
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: but the things that I was told and my self

1019
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: worth should have been lower than it was. Actually, like

1020
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: I really was quite good for whatever reason. It just

1021
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: blocking it out. But oh my god, the personal science,

1022
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: the nicknames. I mean, there was one point where another

1023
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Mitch worked at the station and to differentiate us, he

1024
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: was skinny Mitch and I was fat Mitch, you know,

1025
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: and you you just pushed through stop it. Oh yeah.

1026
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: And I was on air even I'm not even this

1027
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: isn't an exclusive. It was on air. This how they

1028
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: would describe me. Perhaps interview me again at my sixtieth

1029
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: and thirty more years and we'll see how if I

1030
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: feel successful, because yeah, it's not there, it's not there. Wow.

1031
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean externally, you are one of the most successful

1032
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: people I know, and I'm not the only person who

1033
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: thinks that. And I am one hundred percent sure that

1034
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: the listeners listening are just thinking, oh my god, that

1035
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: is absolutely bananas, because you are truly one of the

1036
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 2: most successful people in media in this country by far.

1037
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: That's very sweet. I agreed to disagree because I.

1038
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: Needed to bring us an expression, right, Yeah, is that

1039
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: your favorite quote?

1040
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: My favorite one is you win some, you lose some.

1041
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: That kind of is a it just it scrubs everything

1042
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: your coffee in the morning. You win some, you lose some.

1043
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: You know you have a bingal in traffic, you go shit,

1044
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 1: You win some, you lose some. I like a lot.

1045
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: I like that too, And I also like the idea

1046
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: that I truly believe the greatest happiness I have found

1047
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: is when I stopped thinking I'll be happy when I'll

1048
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: feel successful when and I feel like you're in the

1049
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: middle of that process now and we're gonna We're going

1050
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: to do a follow up when you do hit that

1051
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: moment where you're like, no, I've got my own fucking

1052
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 2: talk show. I've wanted this since I was a kid.

1053
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: I'd love to I genuinely would have loved to do it.

1054
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: Rosie o'donald said to me yesterday. She goes, I hope

1055
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: this is a success for you. I hope it takes off.

1056
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: I hope you get your own late night talk show,

1057
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: and when you do, I will fly back to be

1058
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: your first ever guest. So listen, I'm going to hold

1059
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: her to that. Fingers crossed, we can get there. Well.

1060
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: I believe you are already a success, and you do

1061
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: already have your own talk show, and it has been

1062
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: an absolute joy to hear more about it from you.

1063
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm so excited for what's to come.

1064
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: I truly believe you're already there, but I can't wait

1065
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: to see how much further you go.

1066
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: And thank you so much for sharing.

1067
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, this was so much fun. I am

1068
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: so grateful that you had me on. I've had the

1069
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: best time and I've really enjoyed it. You're a brilliant interviewer.

1070
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: You really are good. It's not an easy job to

1071
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: interview and to keep something satting like a conversation and

1072
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: feeling relaxed, but you're very naturally good at it.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's very kind, very kind, especially coming from you, because,

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Speaker 2: like I said, one of.

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Speaker 3: The most successful names in Media. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you didn't already know Mitch, you can see

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Speaker 2: now why he's been such a successful entertainer and why

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Speaker 2: the Michtury Chat Show has such a bright future ahead.

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Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for tying things up in a nice

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Speaker 2: little bow full of yeay, but I also deeply appreciate

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Speaker 2: catching Mitch before he's really quite settled into this huge

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Speaker 2: new chapter of his and perhaps that's an even more

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Speaker 2: powerful illustration of what it really takes to make big,

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Speaker 2: scary but amazing changes in your life. If you haven't already,

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Speaker 2: please do have a listen or watch off the Mitch

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Speaker 2: Chery Chat Show and also share this episode, tagging Mitch

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Speaker 2: to help shower him with the love and appreciation you

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Speaker 2: all know he does. Meanwhile, at the time this episode

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Speaker 2: comes out, we'll be about to head into our first

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Speaker 2: I cannot wait for some neighborhood energy in real life,

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Speaker 2: and feel so privileged to have already raised nearly five

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Speaker 2: in combating domestic violence. We have raised that through ticket sales,

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Speaker 2: but we'll also be holding a silent auction which has

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Speaker 2: in the meantime, I hope you are seizing your ya