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Speaker 2: today's episode. This story deals with abortion and pregnancy loss.

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Speaker 2: So if this one isn't for you, no problem will

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Speaker 2: be back in your ears for tomorrow's episode of The Quickie. Hi,

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Speaker 2: I'm Grace Rubray. This is Mumma MEA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. Abortion rights in Australia are back in the

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Speaker 2: spotlight with the introduction of a private bill in South

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Speaker 2: pregnancies beyond twenty eight weeks. The bill has sparked first debate.

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Speaker 2: Some say it's a cruel restriction on women who are

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Speaker 2: already facing unimaginable circumstances, while others believe it represents a

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Speaker 2: more humane approach, balancing the choice of the mother with

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Speaker 2: the rights of the child. So what does this bill

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Speaker 2: really mean for women and what are its potential consequences?

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, here's the latest from the Quicki newsroom.

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Speaker 2: Thursday October three. Hesbelah has reported ground clashes with Israeli

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Speaker 2: forces inside Lebanon for the first time since Israel's military

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Speaker 2: pushed into the northern neighbour The Israeli military said regular

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Speaker 2: infantry and armored units were joining its ground operations in Lebanon,

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Speaker 2: a day after Israel was attacked by Iran in a

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Speaker 2: strike that has heightened fears of a wider Middle East conflict.

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Speaker 2: Israel's military has said its push into Lebanon is largely

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Speaker 2: aimed at destroying tunnels and other infrastructure on the border,

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Speaker 2: and there were no plans for a wider operation targeting

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Speaker 2: Bay Route or major cities in southern Lebanon. Still, it

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Speaker 2: has issued new evacuation orders for around two dozen towns

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Speaker 2: the Iwali River, which flows east to west some sixty

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Speaker 2: kilometers north of the Israeli border. Despite calls for a ceasefire,

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Speaker 2: fighting between Israel and Hesbelah continues, with Israel targeting Hesbela's

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Speaker 2: strongholds in southern Bay Route. Nearly one nine hundred people

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Speaker 2: with more than a million displaced. After almost a year

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Speaker 2: of cross border conflict. An unexploded US bomb from World

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Speaker 2: Japan has exploded, causing a large crater in a taxiway

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Speaker 2: danger and no injuries were reported. They were still determining

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Speaker 2: what caused its sudden detonation. Video broadcast on Japanese television

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Speaker 2: fire in the area. Supermarket giants have been put on

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Speaker 2: That's your latest news headlines. Next will unpack the new

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Speaker 2: Liberal MP Ben Hood has sparked a wave of concern.

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Speaker 3: After twenty eight weeks, which is to start the third trimester,

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Speaker 2: A late term abortion is brought by a procedure called fetacide,

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Speaker 2: a decision that Natasha Williams faced. Natasha recently wrote an

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Speaker 2: These rights were only decriminalized in South Australia a few

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Speaker 2: care legislation. Bridget Kumb is the co convena of the

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Speaker 2: South Australian Abortion Action Coalition. She has expressed her deep

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Speaker 2: disappointment with ben Hood's proposed bill, emphasizing that that would

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Speaker 2: a mother's right to choose as well as a baby's rights.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the gaps in this argument are?

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Speaker 4: The most important gaps to understand is that ben Hood

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Speaker 4: South Australia. We went through an extensive process to reform

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Speaker 4: largely because abortions after twenty weeks are very rare. They

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Speaker 4: bill's problem is it disregards how healthcare operates. It just

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Speaker 4: regards the importance of informed consent and autonomy, and it

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Speaker 2: Can you explain a little bit about how it removes

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Speaker 2: the basis of informed consent.

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Speaker 4: What the bill seeks to do is ban abortion by

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Speaker 4: saying that if someone delivers a baby and then that

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Speaker 4: is equivalent to a terminating because the person is no

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Speaker 4: care of the minister. So that is not an abortion,

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Speaker 4: that is a forced berth. And if you remove consent,

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Speaker 2: We've seen how divided a country like the United States

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Speaker 2: Roby Wade. Are you concerned about this private bill and

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Speaker 2: could that signal the start of something like this in Australia.

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Speaker 4: Probably following on from you know, some activism that comes

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Speaker 4: what has happened with the abortion bands is what happens everywhere.

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Speaker 4: People with resources who can travel, get safe legal abortions,

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Speaker 4: the consequences of that style, all of politicizing women's bodies.

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Speaker 4: To think that from a legislative position so far removed

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Speaker 4: it's ignorant and arrogant.

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Speaker 2: Both ben Hood and anti abortion campaigner Joanna Howe argue

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Speaker 2: the proposed changes do not infringe on women's rights. The

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Speaker 2: bill allows termination of pregnancy throughout all nine months. They

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Speaker 2: simplify it by saying all it is is that after

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Speaker 2: twenty eight weeks the baby is delivered alive rather than stillborn.

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Speaker 2: At that point, if the baby is not going to survive,

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Speaker 2: because they have a terminal condition, then palliative care would

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Speaker 2: the baby was healthy, they'd be taken straight to the

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Speaker 2: neonatal intensive care unit. Now, according to the Mayo Clinic,

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Speaker 2: common symptom of preterm birth include being smaller, often with

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Speaker 2: the birth, and challenges with feeding. These changes are bought

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Speaker 2: by a private bill by Liberal MP Ben Hood. But

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Speaker 2: what do the rest of the Liberal Party have to

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Speaker 2: say on the matter, specifically the women in the party

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Speaker 2: and the ones whose job it is to be a

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Speaker 2: voice for women's rights. Michelle Lencinc is the South Australian

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Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for Women. Michelle, could you start by explaining

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Speaker 2: what a private bill is and if it represents the

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Speaker 2: views of the Liberal.

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Speaker 1: Party, So anybody is able to bring forward a private

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Speaker 1: member's bill within our party rules, they need to give notice,

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Speaker 1: but they don't need the consent of the Liberal Party

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Speaker 2: who is the Shadow Minister for Infrastructure and Transport, which

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Speaker 4: Well, he's not doing it as a shadow minister.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important to note that he's doing

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Speaker 1: I think for someone to be doing, particularly at this

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Speaker 1: it's poorly drafted piece of legislation. I've described it as

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Speaker 2: Potentially, this is one of the things that hasn't been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would fall to the state. I think that's

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Speaker 2: Bridget I want to ask one more question. MP ben

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Speaker 2: What do you say to those women who are making

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Speaker 4: So of course we the Southstrain Abortion Action Coalition, absolutely

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Speaker 4: The forty five is a very misleading number. I think

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Speaker 4: it's important to always remember, you know, this brandishing of

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Speaker 4: So he's blurring numbers reality and causing a big storm,

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Speaker 2: If there are any updates to this story, we will

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Speaker 2: keep you informed here on the Quickie. Thanks for taking

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