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Speaker 2: Welcome to the seas the Yay Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Busy and happy are not the same thing. We too

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Speaker 3: there's more than one way. So this is a platform

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Speaker 2: Of those who found lives. They adore the good, bad

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Speaker 2: the facets of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or

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Speaker 2: And I love that. We literally diminished it to a

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Speaker 2: This is so fascinating to me, Like my favorite thing

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Speaker 1: do that, you know at some age and then you

439
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 1: like it's workmanship and work and work and work and

440
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 1: devoting of your life to that and the sacrifices that

441
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: you do it. You know, Like you know, I said

442
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 1: to your start, what you were like, what things don't

443
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 1: you want to talk about? Relationships? Like my relationships have

444
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: suffered so much, you know, I've had divorce and separations

445
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 1: and all sorts of things in my life because for

446
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 1: all sorts of reasons. But ultimately, like my career is

447
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: something that is I think is really hard to be

448
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 1: with at times. Yeah, you know, traveling around the world

449
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: and very transient, you know, it's eight shows a week

450
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 1: when you're in a music cool playing a lead role

451
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: like the phantom, and you can't, like you don't just

452
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: rock up and play the phantom. You as soon as

453
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 1: I go home, I'm steaming my voice. I don't speak

454
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 1: until probably like midday the next day, really normally, you know,

455
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 1: like it's a slow warm up throughout the day. I

456
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: don't really socialize. I don't go out at night. I

457
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 1: don't speak on the phone very much.

458
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: It's it's all of these I need this phone cover.

459
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 4: Don't call me.

460
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sort of that guy. Yeah, there's like

461
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: I have to watch what I eat, I have to

462
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 1: hydrate in certain ways, I have to move my body

463
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: in certain ways. Like this is so much, you know,

464
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: preparation for each night and recovery from each night. Yeah,

465
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 1: you've got to do it eight times a week. So

466
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: like that's a lot. That's a lot to undertake, and

467
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: for it to be a partner of that, it's really hard.

468
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

469
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: So that's the stuff you don't think about. You just

470
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: think I think you're right. They think we can so

471
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: easily understand sport as something you could have a natural

472
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: talent in, but completely understand that elite sportsmen or sports

473
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: people are training all the time and if they're not training,

474
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: they're losing that skill and they're not honing it.

475
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: But it's the same. It's the same with this is

476
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: like the sport of the arts.

477
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we think of it that way though.

478
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: I think we think you're good at it. You live

479
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: and breathe it, you get up, you do it, you

480
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I don't think people understand your Also,

481
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 2: it's the equivalent. You're training, you're preparing. You don't just

482
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 2: get up and do it because it appears that you do.

483
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,239
Speaker 2: But it's the same as sports people. I guess they

484
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: turn up at the Australian Open and you.

485
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 5: Think, oh they are, yeah, Jokovich's going to win another one,

486
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 5: or like you know, yeah yeah, So there's that and

487
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 5: so you know, like sportsmen or conversations you have between

488
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 5: your years plays a huge part in it, you know,

489
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 5: like there's something.

490
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: Not all performers, but I think a lot of performers,

491
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: and certainly I'm in that category, have gone through periods

492
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: of going I'm in this because I want to be loved.

493
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm in this because I needalidation or I need attention.

494
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: I need to be the center of attention or whatever

495
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: that is. So there's an insecurity that is there, in

496
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: a vulnerability that is there, and you're an industry where

497
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: you get reject a lot. You know, I've got I've

498
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: had lots of great lead roles, but I've auditioned for

499
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: far more than i haven't got. So like being vulnerable,

500
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: being insecure, needing validation, all those things play a huge

501
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: part of what we do. That's a real recipe for

502
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: a mind fuck. Like yeah, right, so industry, Yeah, to

503
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: work out how to get past that and to know that,

504
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not perfect, but I am enough. You know,

505
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: I love myself unconditionally. I'm going to go out there

506
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: and make mistakes. I'm going to go out there and

507
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: do things that weren't the best version that I'm capable of,

508
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: and I'm still enough. That's our long process to get through. Yeah, yeah,

509
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: Like that takes a lot of years, Yeah, and a

510
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: lot of work.

511
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 4: So that's it.

512
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: Like, that's the sort of a whole other part that's

513
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: secondary to the work of just the skill, the work

514
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: of the mind. And then when you get through that work,

515
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: I think, and you dissolve a lot of that, you

516
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: get to get into the heart and the soul. And

517
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: really what makes us feel when we go to the

518
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: theater or a concert, whatever, is when a performer is transcendent,

519
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: when they're beyond the technicalities and the thoughts of their

520
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: mind and they're just coming from someplace within them and

521
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: it's what's in them that we're feeling, and that takes

522
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: us to somewhere else. And that's real storytelling. And whether

523
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: that's through song or dance or words, that's the beauty

524
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: of the arts. So that's such a process to get

525
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: through to that, you know, to get inside yourself, to

526
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: be able to be open enough to share that and

527
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: get beyond what's going on in the mind.

528
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: I love that so much. I always found with ballet

529
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: for so like, for the years that I did, and

530
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: I didn't even know continue the career for that long,

531
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: but I always found the performers I loved the most

532
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: weren't always the most technically correct exactly dances. It was

533
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: the ones who danced with so much heart that you

534
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: didn't even much what else they were doing. You were

535
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: just so captivated in their performance, and especially without the

536
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: capacity to sing or to say words, like everything was

537
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: with their body. It was never the ones who were

538
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: like had the best point or the best art or

539
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: the best turnout. I mean, obviously they had that too,

540
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: but it was, yeah, the ones who were like so

541
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: lost in the storytelling. And it's interesting that you say

542
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: it does take a look to get there.

543
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it is the balance in those very technical

544
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: crafts of things that are very classical, which require more

545
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: technique in a way, you know, ballet or opera or

546
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: more classical musical theater or classical dance. It's this The

547
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: dance is sometimes between the heart and the soul and

548
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: the story and the technicality. And you can't totally lose

549
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: the technique and you know, start just doing whatever you

550
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: want out there as a singer a dancer, you have

551
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: to have that. But for those things to coexist, that

552
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: the heart and that technique, that's something that takes a

553
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: lot of years in refinement.

554
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: And I think one thing I really want to touch

555
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: on with you is even talking about relationships and the

556
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 2: fact that like your one joy, Like I think something

557
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: that we talk about a lot on the show is

558
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: finding your ultimate joy and going after that and letting

559
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: go of conventional ideas of success and financial metrics and

560
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, But we don't often touch

561
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: on the fact that sometimes multiple joys conflict personal joy

562
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: and career joy. Sometimes they're not going in the same.

563
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: Direction, and has often been the case for me.

564
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: And then when your identity is your work, which is

565
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 2: a privilege. I think it's a privilege to enjoy your

566
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: work so much.

567
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: I've had to work very long. The identity is not

568
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: the work.

569
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: So that is definitely what I want to talk to

570
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: you about. But before we do that, I just want

571
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: to finish the timeline of going from someone who had

572
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 2: written and I think this is so exciting. I'd read

573
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: an interview that you did ages ago where someone asked

574
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: what your dream role was and you said the phantom

575
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: in the Phantom of the Opera. And to see you

576
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: doing that now, like you've physically answered that in an interview,

577
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: and then to be there now, to have done it

578
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: at the Sydney Opera House, like there is no higher

579
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: pinnacle than having achieved the goal that you wrote down

580
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: and to do it in like the most prestigious arena

581
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: that there is in this country. Yeah, but in between there,

582
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: you've had so many different things. You've recorded an album,

583
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: you toured with an international group, like you've been part

584
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: of the Ten Tenors. You've done so many different music calls.

585
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: You've had a pet business in between. Yea, it is

586
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: not a straight line.

587
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: No no, no, no no.

588
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: How did you get there? And what does it feel

589
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: like you have gotten there now?

590
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

591
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: So how did I get there? Like a quick sort

592
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: of summary, I guess. After graduating from Ballarat with a

593
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: major in musical theater patchelor pants musical theater, I auditioned

594
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: for Tokyo.

595
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 4: Disney Did you I did? Do you a character or

596
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 4: do you know?

597
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: They had like a sort of Broadway jazz style show

598
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: called Big Band Beat, which had a full big band

599
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: and some singers and dancers, and then Mickey and Minnie

600
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: and Daisy I think did some stuff and Mickey played

601
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: the drums and tap dance. It was really cool. So

602
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: I did that like almost five times a day, five

603
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: days a week, two to five times a day, so

604
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: twenty something the shows a week for the best part

605
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: of nine months and then so that was really good

606
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: training for repeat effort, like you need the most shows

607
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: we ever did? I think it was like ten So

608
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: like in nine months doing twenty shows a week, like

609
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: someone do the math.

610
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: And at Disney level excitement.

611
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot.

612
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: It's like six hundred shows something. It's like it's sort

613
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: of crazy, so like it's nuts. And so did that

614
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: and then not long after that joined the ten Tenners.

615
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: Had a couple of years there but really missed acting.

616
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: So I felt like a Disney and at ten Tenner's

617
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: it was a lot of sort of I didn't play

618
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: a character. I didn't get to transcend into a role

619
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: and become that human and find the heart of that

620
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: human and the soul of that human. So I had

621
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: an experience during the ten tennas where auditioned for Phantom

622
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: over video and then was subsequently flown to Copenhagen where

623
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: the director was at that time. It was successful addition

624
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: for the two thousand and seven to nine production with

625
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Anthony Worlow, so I got the role to understudy the

626
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Phantom and understudy Raoul, who's the other character, and couldn't

627
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: get out of the contract. So it's sort of like

628
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: that was my first journey really with Phantom being successful.

629
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: It's actually also the first shor I auditioned for out

630
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: of UNI but didn't get it.

631
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so you've had this long history.

632
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it is like eluded me and all

633
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff, which makes it all the more

634
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: sweet and special. And then yeah, quit the group so

635
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I could audition for West Side Story. Really I knew

636
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: that if I wanted to do musicals, I couldn't be

637
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: in the group. I couldn't like sort of have this

638
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: like contract running and going down and then just go

639
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: on audition something and then just say bye bye. So

640
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: I quit the group, auditioned for a West Side Story

641
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: on a risk, so like a financial risk there, like yeah,

642
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: and got the role of Tony. That's just the main

643
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: role in that. Did that twenty ten eleven, did another

644
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 1: show here for a little Bit that bombed whenever the

645
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: UK did Pray. Then that's where my dad got diagnosed

646
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: with cancer came back and in that time I was

647
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: married and it was really affecting my relationship, my transience

648
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: and whatever. And I was like, I'm a bit burnt out.

649
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: I sort of haven't stopped since I moonwalked, you know,

650
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: like it's just been this constant two to twenty thirteen,

651
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: a constant just steam train like or bullet train, just

652
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: going towards you know, climbing the ladder of the mountain

653
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: of success or whatever that meant to me. I didn't

654
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: really know. It just was more and more validation I

655
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: think for me, and I just had I just burned

656
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: how I just had to stop. So I was like,

657
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: I've got to be in Melbourne. I want this relationship

658
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: to work. I'm going to try something else. So I

659
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: started my PT course. I knew a lot of people

660
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: in the theater industry by then and thought I could

661
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: specialize in training people in that world. And it quickly developed.

662
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: Once again, I sort of bullet trained.

663
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: It like nothing. Halfway it's just yeah, bang.

664
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: And I've learned that I have to do things in

665
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: different ways now, but because that doesn't always work, so

666
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: I just developed this huge clientele list that was too

667
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: big for one person. Took on someone else else to

668
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: help me out, and we're just working out a facility

669
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: in some Kilda and then it's like, you know what,

670
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: screw it it, I'm going to open up a studio.

671
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: I did, and it was called pit Fit, and you know,

672
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: it was like a it was sort of really one

673
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: of the first sort of functional training studios. I think

674
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: like that we didn't have machines and this sort of

675
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen.

676
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: See, I think I knew you then. Oh I remember

677
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: pit Fit? Did you know Nick for Ages? Did you

678
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: go to Baroke? Is that you Nick?

679
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe Nick came and trained.

680
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I feel like I definitely.

681
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: Never stopped on if you did.

682
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean, does he ever cott analogy?

683
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: I got it.

684
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: I definitely remember Pitfit. Yeah, so I feel like I

685
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: knew since then. Okay, I don't know how, but somehow.

686
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Somehow, so that sort of did its thing, and then

687
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: we realized we could expand beyond just the music theater

688
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: world and have a general public pop thing. And it

689
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: was a yeah, it was a sort of more fun

690
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: take on fitness. We used a lot of games and

691
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: stuff for warm arts, getting pull noodles out and doing

692
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: all sorts of like really fun things that took your

693
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: mind out of the idea that you were training and

694
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: into idea of play and fun, and which is what

695
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: the theater world is. So we use theater games and

696
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. It was really really fun. But

697
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: then we got into the nitty gritty of it, and

698
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: the kettlebells are out and all the other things were

699
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: out that sort of are now standard practice and are

700
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: now butch.

701
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: Then the like we made a camp basically exercise but

702
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: make it musical theater.

703
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: There were colorful black boards around the studio. It was

704
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: really fun and I had a great time doing it.

705
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: But after a while I just was hungry to perform again.

706
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: I can't imagine a performer off the stage for so long.

707
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah it was.

708
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: It was maybe eighteen months, and I was just like,

709
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. So I auditioned for a

710
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: production of Blood Brothers Here, which is like a beautiful

711
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: British show. Did that at a theater in St. Kilda

712
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: and I actually had a great time. And then my

713
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: agent at the time said, hey, would you audition for Cats?

714
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: And I was like yeah, And my wife at the

715
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: time was like things weren't going well and the idea

716
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: of going back into musicals I don't think it was

717
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: great for us. And so anyway I did audition for

718
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: it and it was sort of like probably the last

719
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: nail and a coffin for us. So that was really

720
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: really hard, and you know, over time, you know that

721
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: we would be able to like form a FRENCHI which

722
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: is really nice but yeah, which is great.

723
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: So I'm sure at the time, Yeah, really did so.

724
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: Did Cats for the best part of a year or so,

725
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: and then did a couple of other productions. That's when

726
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: I started to bring it. Brought out an album. I've

727
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: always wanted to do an album in grabbing pop songs,

728
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: re orchestrating them, ripping them apart, translating some of them

729
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: to other more classical speaking languages of Spanish, Italian, whatever else.

730
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: Worked with good mate John Foreman, who people would know

731
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: from Cows by Candle Light and various things. He's a

732
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: great Aussie producer and musical director and conductor. Went over

733
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: to Prague with that and used their Philharmonic orchestra, which

734
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: is incredible, just created a real European and then the

735
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: rock band who were on it to make those pop

736
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: songs still sound popy and rocky.

737
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: We were from here and so like I covered like Googoo.

738
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: Dolls and Farnham and Radiohead and things that you would

739
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: never rear an operatic. Yeah, it was like a real combination. Yeah,

740
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: it was really fun and that sort of led to

741
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: other opportunities in that space. I did another musical call Beautiful,

742
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: about the life of cale King and then really off

743
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: the back of that album, I got this great opportunity

744
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: from John Formant to sing nest on Doordoma, which is

745
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: like everyone's sort of the most well known.

746
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: Area every time, yeah, every time.

747
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: Bum bum bum bum bu.

748
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: Everyone sort of notice it at the Australia Day Live

749
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: concert out the front of the Sydney Opera House with

750
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: all the fireworks and the tens of thousand people there

751
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: at the start of twenty nineteen. And I remember when

752
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: John asked me to do it. In my head, I

753
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: was saying, no, too big, too big, too scary, like

754
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: I can't possibly do that. It's on National TV.

755
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: It before.

756
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sung it with the ten tens. I sung

757
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: up many times, but I was just like fear, yeah,

758
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, Josh, don't choose fear, just don't

759
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: choose fear, like and I just went yeah. And then

760
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: so for the next six weeks all I sung was

761
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: ness and Dormer like just got it right into muscle

762
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: memory and so that no matter what, it couldn't fail

763
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: out there. And it's still you know, I look back

764
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: on it and it's like imperfections in the performance, of course,

765
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: but it is like one of the most heart filled

766
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: performance is a ness and dormer like it is like

767
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: like it is so for me, it's almost like an emancipation,

768
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: like yeah, I could like my whole world changed in

769
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: those three minutes. And then the producer Phantom in London

770
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: saw that performance. Yep, Camera Macintosh and Angela it didn't

771
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: see it, lie they saw video of it.

772
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we watched it last night.

773
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: I really Camera Macintosh, Angeloid whoever saw it and they're like,

774
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: let's get him over from an audition for Phantom. And

775
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: then six months later I was playing the Phantom in

776
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: the West End, crazy and then you know, fast forward,

777
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred performances, COVID hit and then you know,

778
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: it's all sort of came crashing down and I felt

779
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: like I'd climbed another everest and fell off, you know

780
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: the edge of that. And since my divorce, I'd been

781
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: meditating and sort of entered into that world of spirituality

782
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: and really asking myself who I am, am, I beyond

783
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: what I do and yeah, really go into the deep

784
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: dive of self. But that was like, so I had

785
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: enough self awareness to go, I'm falling here, I'm descending.

786
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: I could do that consciously and like make this a

787
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: real time of like intense self discovery. So COVID for

788
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: me was I did my meditation teach training. Did you

789
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: yep with one giant mind?

790
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: Oh?

791
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 4: I love Johnny Johnny of course legend.

792
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: I mean who else? Yeah? And incredible and.

793
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: So like use that.

794
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: I just wanted to learn more about meditation, not just

795
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: as an active participant, but the deeper philosophies of it.

796
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: So I did that all through twenty twenty and also

797
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: did a course with a guy called Asha Pacman who

798
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: runs a lot of men's circles and does some really

799
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: very very deep work called The Warrior's Way, which goes

800
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: into like Jungian psychology, takes on Joseph Campbell's Hero's journey,

801
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: which some people may not know, but look at it

802
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: if you don't. But really it's we go through the

803
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: hero's journey individually all the time. But Star Wars and

804
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalk's journey is that Harry Potter's journey is that

805
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: you know it. Ultimately, it's about finding a Guru in

806
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: your life. And we're crossing over a threshold of can

807
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: I do this or not? Can I leave my safe

808
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: space and go into the uncomfortable, go into the uncomfortable,

809
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: have to find a guru, find that guru, learn some things.

810
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: Face one's death in a way, or the death of something,

811
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: like something has to die, and in order to come

812
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: out of that a new like almost repent in a

813
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: way or apologize in a way for what has has been,

814
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: to come back to where you were home completely new.

815
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: And so we used a lot of myth and poetry.

816
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: And but it's in a group of twenty something guys

817
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: all on zoom opening up and wow. So you know,

818
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: mine was definitely the death of as an artist, the

819
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: validation and the attention and all of that, like really

820
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: acknowledging that and knowing that my best start is when

821
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: I live beyond that. And so like my obsession became

822
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: in a course, there was a lot about storytelling. So

823
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: about what am I. I'm a storyteller and that's what

824
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: I love the most is finding character, feeling character and

825
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: body and character and telling that character story. So that

826
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: meant that COVID became this wonderful learning experience for me.

827
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: Almost didn't want it to end. That did end with

828
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, starting back a phantom. But what's been wonderful

829
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: is I go, I've God. After two hundred shows in

830
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: London the ubsequent a couple hundred shows I get to

831
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: do here, I feel so much more embodied and so

832
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: much so interesting, so so much deeper into the man

833
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: because of what for many people was a devastating time.

834
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: And it was, and people died, and it's been awful

835
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: and they still are it's shocking. But for me it

836
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: was actually a time of great learning and self discovery.

837
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I think that's so incredibly representative of

838
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people's conflict between knowing it was like

839
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: one of the worst times humanity has ever been through,

840
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: but a lot of people finding this clarity, clarity in

841
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: the breakdown to break through. Kind of like such a cliche.

842
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: But what I think CZA was for me before the

843
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: pandemic was about trying to create a COVID lack shedding

844
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: of everything, like just helping people realize that they're often

845
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: chasing things they don't even know what they're chasing. They

846
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: don't even know what success is or what happiness is,

847
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: or whether they're following attention external stimulus, whether they're doing

848
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 2: it because they want to, because they love to, because

849
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: they're good at it, like people don't even know what

850
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: their motivation is, the just doing it because of momentum.

851
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: And I was sort of trying to say, like, you don't,

852
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: you shouldn't need a breakdown to re evaluate those things.

853
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: How can we maybe engineer these revelations a little bit

854
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: earlier for you so that because most people it only

855
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: happens when your life breaks down in some way that

856
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: you have this we need a crisis. Yeah, you have

857
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: this rock bottom moment and then you get this clarity.

858
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: And I was sort of like, how can we learn

859
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: from that happening to other people to maybe make you

860
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: reevaluate your metrics for measuring your life without that? And

861
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 2: then COVID happened, and it was like, well, you all

862
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: get a clean slate. Here's a clean slate, here's a clean.

863
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: Well it's a collective crisis, you know. So it was

864
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: great for that and we all re established well or

865
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: just established deeper connections to things beyond the identities that

866
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: we were living with. So you know, oh my god,

867
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: if I go walk barefoot in nature, if I watch

868
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: a sunset, I feel fantastic?

869
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 4: What is that?

870
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: And so we go, oh, well, that's just being Yeah,

871
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: what's being Oh? I'm a human being. That must be

872
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: good because what I've been doing is human doing for

873
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: so long. Yeah, and being, And that's something I spent

874
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: a great day with Ben Crow once. If you know

875
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: Ben Crow Mojo cro he's a very mindful man, but

876
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: he's the mindset coach for lots of people in sport

877
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: and in corporate world now, And so I spent a

878
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: day with him, and that's something he talks about a

879
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: lot that we suffer from human doing, and so when

880
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: things come from a place of being, you feel fantastic.

881
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: And so COVID did help that in a way, Like

882
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: we got back to that with those basics, right, I

883
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: think we're losing it now, we've all gone straight back

884
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: to momentum. But how do we find that balance and

885
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: how do we go When I feel a lack of clarity,

886
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: When I feel hazy, I feel overwhelmed, or I feel anxious,

887
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: I feel all these things. What was it that brought

888
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: me out of that? In COVID? It was stopping, It

889
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: was being, It was connecting to nature. It was connecting

890
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: in another way to people we love on a deep level.

891
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: It was sharing how you really feel. It was all

892
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: those things that, yeah, non suppressive things really help us

893
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: to open up and just be who we are.

894
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

895
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I still find it incredibly difficult to keep that

896
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: awareness and balance because I love my work, so the

897
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: doing is also joyful and is also being because I

898
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: enjoy it so much, which then means that I sometimes

899
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: forget even though I talk about this, whole point of

900
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: the show is this concept, and I still forget that

901
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: play outside of my vocation needs to also have a role.

902
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: And so because you know your day to day, you're

903
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: doing shows every day, and I feel like something else

904
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: about the show is that one person's joys another person's nightmare.

905
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: But you just need to stick to what lights you

906
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: are because who cares what anyone else thinks. Some people

907
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: would think doing the same show, the same songs, the

908
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: same performance every night would be like the worst thing

909
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: in the entire world. But I imagine as a performer,

910
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: it's like the stage is the stage. Like I never

911
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: got bored.

912
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: No, not at all.

913
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: It might be the same songs, it's not the same performance.

914
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I never got bored of doing the same poreography.

915
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Ever, No, there's always a nuance, there's always something to feel,

916
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: and it's always a new day. You know, sometimes I

917
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: have a different Christine, who's the other the female lead

918
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: to play off. There's always newness and there's always something

919
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: fresh to find, and I'm always I'll go out there

920
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: and play. It is a play, it has music in it, like,

921
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: so go out there and play. And I think as adults,

922
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: I think with likelity, but actually what made us discover

923
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: and and learn and grow and expand as children was play.

924
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: So I'm always up for the play and I bring

925
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: try and bring play into lots of other things in

926
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: my life. And I think that's why. You know, one

927
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: of the classes the Pitfit was called play.

928
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: That's nice.

929
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 4: Play is a huge.

930
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: Part of my life and it keeps me, I think,

931
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: more authentically me because when I think about, you know,

932
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: who I am, there's something I definitely chat about with

933
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: with Ben at the time, like who I am beyond

934
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: the doing, Like I joy I'm joyful, I'm cheeky, I'm affectionate.

935
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: There're three things that I think you offer up in

936
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: the moment you start performance, in performed, but in play,

937
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: Like when I play, I'm always joyful, I'm always cheeky,

938
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: affectionate may not but like it comes from a place

939
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: to love, so like bringing that being into what I do.

940
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: That's where I think what you're saying is really prevalent

941
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: or really connected, because I am connecting those the being

942
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: and they're doing you're probably doing the same.

943
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: And you look so like every time I've ever seen

944
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: you saying, you look so thrilled to be there, Like,

945
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: you just look so stoke. I'm just so sto because.

946
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: I also realize, especially after COVID, the impermanence of it all.

947
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's just not going to You have

948
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: to enjoy it while it's there.

949
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like some people think it's really black. I

950
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: think about death all the time, really all the time,

951
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: because I think about it retrospectively because now because I

952
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: don't want to think about it retrospectively when I'm eighty

953
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: or ninety, or.

954
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: You don't want to have regrets because you never thought

955
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: about you.

956
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: I want to think about the preciousness of life. I

957
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: want to think about really enjoying and owning the moment.

958
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I want to think about what sort of legacy I'm

959
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: going to lead, what sort of relationships I have, what

960
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: sort of memories I want to create. So I'm doing

961
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: that now so that when I hit nine.

962
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: And go, oh God, I wish, I wish, I wish.

963
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't want any wishes. I want to live the

964
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: wish now as much as possible. So all that does

965
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: is create buckloads a gratitude for them I'm doing right now.

966
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean the carols the other week. It's

967
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: the first time I've done carols by candlelight. That's always

968
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: been like on the first time, Yeah, but I was like,

969
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: right now, this is also I'm like, you know, I'm

970
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: just singing. I'm singing Song of Joy with a bit

971
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: of phantom vibes behind us. I'm loving that combo and

972
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: like Sea of ten thousand People or whatever, and you

973
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: know it's in a million homes around Australia.

974
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: I'm just like, this is so cool.

975
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: And I'm Jewish. I love Christmas. Heap for Christmas.

976
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: You can do Christmas. A lot of people do that.

977
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 4: I just do for Christmas.

978
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: I didn't even have theker you know, there's no there's

979
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: no drade alls, there's no hanok out, It's just Christmas.

980
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. The throw on the being throw on all.

981
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: The l booble is like one of the people you

982
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: would love to sing with. Have you ever sung with them.

983
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 4: I mean you'd know about it something. So what's happened

984
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: in your life?

985
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: I sung with booblo just weir.

986
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: Get screw into the tattoo puts booble across.

987
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: We can turn that into a boob face.

988
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 4: Michael, if you're listening, I have.

989
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: So many more questions. Oh my god, but I think

990
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: I said that would be half an hour, and it's

991
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: already been an hour because there's just so much to

992
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: talk about. Two questions to finish with. One on what

993
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: we were talking about was because you have so much

994
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: joy in what you do. Do you have any play

995
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: or any joys outside of like do you sing pop

996
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: in your spare time? Do you do things that are

997
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: not musical theater related?

998
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: Yes, so all the time? Do I sing another? Like

999
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: I impersonate all the time?

1000
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so singing or just talking.

1001
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: Singing and talking, but mainly singing. So like we have

1002
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: to do a mic check before every act the show,

1003
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: so before act one and before act two, and so

1004
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: we have to go to the sound booth, and there's

1005
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: always a word of the day. So like let's say

1006
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: the word was better, I would immediately.

1007
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: Be like curn f Like I have to like always.

1008
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't just say better. You can't just yeah.

1009
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: If the word was hitching, I'd be like the Jenna right.

1010
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: Like I have to do it, like I always impersonate yep,

1011
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's actually always have always impersonated. It's

1012
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: probably why I've got concinc classically, because I was just

1013
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: probably just impersonating.

1014
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: Like people your whole are great.

1015
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: Classical singers, or why Kroon I can croon quite well

1016
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: like Sinatra and all that because I'm just like impersonated

1017
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: a bit of Booblo and a bit of Sonati and

1018
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: a bit of Elvis in there and whymn millions of voices.

1019
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm always doing voices.

1020
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: Do you do anything that's not musical? Like do you

1021
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: just have absolutely binge Netflix? Do you like puzzles or

1022
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: anything not puzzles?

1023
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: Binge Netflix? The shoot out of it? Like I listen

1024
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: to a lot of different music. I do love a

1025
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: lot of music.

1026
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: Do you listen to classical music or do you.

1027
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: Like literally everything?

1028
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Like you know, I'll listen to Tracy Chapman and

1029
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: then I'll listen to like, you know, n w A

1030
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and it's like so fast. Sport is a huge one

1031
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: for me massive, like you know, like just throw on

1032
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: the BBL, throw on, Like I'll watch every ball of

1033
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: a test match, love cricket, love tennis, love Ossie rules

1034
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: so so much, Like like can just sit there over

1035
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: a weekend and watch all nine games of around Like yeah,

1036
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: every moment. So I'm sort of nuts on on sport.

1037
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: That's probably my thing. And then it's just social and

1038
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: having great conversations with people. Obviously, the mindfulness world is big.

1039
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: Like after I leave you, I'm off to have a

1040
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: nice bath.

1041
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: So I love, I love, I whim half on.

1042
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: The show what I know, pulling let it go.

1043
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 2: One more serious question because and I should have asked

1044
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: this earlier. I just forgot to ask it. I think

1045
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: one thing with the arts, and also I think in

1046
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: our generation generally, I think we have come from a

1047
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: place where masculinity looks very much a certain way in Australia.

1048
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 4: Oh god, it's horrible.

1049
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's pretty archaic to now. I think

1050
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: the conversation has been changing a lot, men's mental health,

1051
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: men's circles, like men having any kind of vulnerability whatsoever. Yeah,

1052
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: but I think it's slowly becoming more encouraged more accepted

1053
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: and the men look be come in lots of different ways,

1054
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: lots of different ways, and that it's not a weakness

1055
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: to show emotion, that it's not that they have, you know,

1056
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: the same mental health needs and challenges as women that

1057
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: if not more, because they don't ventilate them because it's

1058
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: still stigmatized, like all that kind of stuff. Have you

1059
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: ever found in musical theater that your concept of your

1060
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: masculinity you'ring makeup every day and since a time when

1061
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 2: it wasn't as open a conversation about what masculinity means?

1062
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: Was that ever a challenge for you?

1063
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: It was a challenge right at the start when I

1064
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: decided that I didn't want to like spend as much

1065
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: time on the footy field and I want to go

1066
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: and doing musicals and all of that.

1067
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: It's quind of drastic chain.

1068
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like so that was what I call PG,

1069
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: Like in how we have before Christ? Oh yeah we

1070
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: have pre Glee?

1071
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, And so yeah, Glee was a great way

1072
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 6: of normalizing straight boys or men in singing and dancing

1073
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 6: and doing with that.

1074
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 4: But I was I was.

1075
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: PG, and so it was a harder time than Yeah,

1076
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah.

1077
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: You're fucking puffed, you're fucking gay, like and just oh

1078
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: you're fair going to that like just constant. It was

1079
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: like to a point where I'm going to be really

1080
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: open about this. I came out as bisexual to a

1081
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: whole group of mates just to stop getting ship.

1082
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: Because it was easier.

1083
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: Because it was easier. I've never been into guys. I've

1084
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: kissed a guy once in an audition and once in

1085
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: the scene study at UNI. Never otherwise has been attracted

1086
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: or you know, like.

1087
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: But it was just literally like just my back.

1088
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, because I thought that would like, Okay, well,

1089
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: well if that's what that's what it is, then.

1090
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 4: Give him ship. Right.

1091
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: So it was just so so ridiculous. That was two

1092
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: thousand and two season and three. But since then, no,

1093
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: like high school mates would still like, you know, give

1094
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: me shirt or throw stuff at me, like like throw shade, yeah,

1095
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: and so like like literal chairs. I think it's so

1096
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: much better now. I still think our representation in media,

1097
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: in sports media, I hate to say it as much

1098
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: as I love sport, needs to be to have more

1099
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: diverse men in those positions so that we we see

1100
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: the full like spectrum of a man. Yeah, yep, and

1101
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: the full palette of colors that is it is to

1102
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: be human in a really binary world at the moment.

1103
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: You know, are you pro Trump, you're anti Trump, or

1104
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: you like you know, there's no middle grounds on a

1105
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of things, but on what it is to be human.

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00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: The complexity of humanity can't be black and white. We

1107
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: need to see all the colors. So we need to

1108
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: see our men being all different colors in the spotlight.

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00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that my friends who are in that

1110
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: space are that. Like, you know, Rob Mills was a

1111
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: great made of mind.

1112
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: I love ro he was like the last episode last year.

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00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeahs love such a fantastic representation of that. And I

1114
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: love the Mills. He gets much more airtime now and

1115
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: host things or is a guest on the project or whatever.

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00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: And we see that. We see a guy who loves

1117
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: his footy and he's happy to you know, have a

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00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: masculin ergy. He's happy to step into his feminine ergy

1119
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: and all the things in between. He can be camp

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00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: at times, he can you know, just you know, pull

1121
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: a few beers at times, like it can be all

1122
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: the things. Yeah, and his book is fantastic for that.

1123
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: If people haven't, haven't read it. It's it's really wonderful

1124
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: and a great gateway into that world. So I think

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00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: there's room for improvement.

1126
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, on the path absolutely well. Very last question, Yes,

1127
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: what is your favorite quote?

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00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 4: Well, there's there's so many, but.

1129
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: I think someone who likes quotes, it's such a us.

1130
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: So many, but I'm going to go with two roomy quotes.

1131
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: I love Roomy, We love Roomy, and we love all

1132
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: the Sufi poets of that time we do. One is

1133
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: the cure for the pain is in the pain.

1134
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: Yep.

1135
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: And the other one is you have to keep breaking

1136
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: your heart until it opens. Oh.

1137
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: I love that there too, They're beautiful.

1138
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 4: Thanks.

1139
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: And I feel like any theory of joy, like I'm

1140
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: so like find this over learning everything's happy. But I

1141
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: also feel like any theory of happiness and joy and

1142
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: good things has to take account of like the darkness

1143
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: and the shadows and the pain that it takes to

1144
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 2: get there. Like if everything was all happy, that would

1145
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: become neutral and there'd be no color, there'd be no contrast.

1146
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: And you don't grow when you're happy and chilling and

1147
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: everything goes to plan, Like you become a better person

1148
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: in those times you enjoy them and you have a

1149
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: great time, but that's not where you find who you

1150
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: are and what you want and what the next chapter is.

1151
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: And I'd love so much about you that you're on

1152
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: this perpetual journey. And I think a lot of people

1153
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: find what makes them really happy, like the career in now,

1154
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: and then they become like this static image like I

1155
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: found happiness, I found six I'm going to chill here

1156
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: for the rest of every But you have this great

1157
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: sense of like, no, I'm always learning, I'm always on momentum.

1158
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 2: And I really try and encourage this idea of your

1159
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: joy as a jigsaw puzzle that is constantly adding more pieces,

1160
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: rid of pieces that don't work anymore. It's not like

1161
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: this painting on the wall that you leave and it

1162
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: stays there forever. It's like, oh, I love that. One

1163
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: day you might not want to sing anymore, or one

1164
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: day you might want to Like I'm like saying this.

1165
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: The whole sky scape of whatever it is that the

1166
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzle is of. I'm going with the skyscape. It's

1167
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: just continually expanding, expanding, expanding, Oh I love it.

1168
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: I mean one day you're just like, you know what

1169
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: those pieces, don't like them anymore over there, but I'll

1170
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: replace them with some new ones.

1171
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a new building, guys. Just quickly, Hi everyone.

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Speaker 7: We want to thank you all for showing up in

1173
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 7: full the horse to see the fans from the opera.

1174
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 7: When thrilled to announce that Phantom is now the highest

1175
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 7: attended show, Emma had the art set to melt.

1176
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah gosh, did that just come out there?

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00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1178
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 6: What the fun?

1179
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: Yeah? And it was the quickest selling show to sell

1180
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: out the Sydney Opera HOS ever, So people really love Phantom.

1181
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: Congratulations.

1182
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: I'm really stoked with that.

1183
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm like, I'm really stoked with

1184
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the production is fantastic and everyone in

1185
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: it it is fantastic. Everyone works on it is wonderful.

1186
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: But like that, people have been waiting for the arts

1187
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: to like re emerge and like this like to be

1188
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: such a huge part of renaissance arts in this country

1189
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: after like it being by the wayside for eighteen months

1190
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: with COVID. Just to know that Australia actually does love it,

1191
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: it's awesome. So what stats like that's yeah, insane, So

1192
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: it's fantastic.

1193
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining. How long is

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00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: the Phantom one until February the eighteenth? Okay, oh my god?

1195
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: And how many are you doing? Are you supposed to

1196
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: be doing every single I'm like.

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00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: That yeah pretty much always really yea eye a week

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00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: unless some shit a week. Yep, that's what I do.

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Speaker 1: That's the job.

1200
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 2: How is your skin like that you wear so much makeup?

1201
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: Cocon Really?

1202
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: I take my makeup off with coconut oil and I

1203
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: use something called skin food by Wilidada.

1204
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's German.

1205
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: Yes, your skin is amazing, fankstars. Literally when I wear

1206
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 2: makeup every night for three nights in a row, it's

1207
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: just and half the makeup you wear, like yeah.

1208
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: But it's not just. It's like spirit gum and gloom

1209
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: and all that sort of keep the prosthetics on.

1210
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: Its vile, but it's but you work it. On TikTok

1211
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: where can we follow you?

1212
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: Also at Josh on Instagram and at Josh Pittman on

1213
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: the Talk on the Top and one in one t

1214
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: and in.

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00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, my brain's like still in like January? What does

1216
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: that even mean?

1217
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 6: Oh?

1218
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: One T one in and I will include the link

1219
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: to tickets to the Phantom so you can go and

1220
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: see Josh life and action.

1221
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 4: Thanks so much, thanks having me so thank you so much.

1222
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: What a fascinating human being and incredible voice. Oh my gosh,

1223
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: the way he just opens his mouth and sings that way,

1224
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: it's insane. As promised, I will put the links to

1225
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: Josh's pages and the Phantom tickets and highly recommend that

1226
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: you go and see him if you can. As usual,

1227
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: please shower Josh with some neighborhood love for so generously

1228
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: giving us his time and very precious voice, and share

1229
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: tagging at Josh Pittman and us so we can keep

1230
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: growing the neighborhood as far and wide as possible. Meanwhile,

1231
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: Melbourne Family Pop February sixteenth in your calendars and stay

1232
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: tuned for more. I hope you're having an amazing day

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00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: and a sea than you.

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00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 3: Yay,