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Speaker 1: You're listening tea Amma mea podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 1: This is Mamma MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 1: How long should you actually stay at a party? New

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Speaker 1: research says the secret to stronger connections isn't about staying

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Speaker 1: the longest, it's actually knowing when to leave. So, with

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Speaker 1: the season of office parties and Christmas catch ups about

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Speaker 1: to begin, how do we hit the sweet spot between

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Speaker 1: being the life of the party and not the reason

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Speaker 1: it ended? Plus, the teen social media ban is just

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Speaker 1: over a month away. Kids under sixteen won't be able

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Speaker 1: to use Instagram or TikTok by Christmas, So how are

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Speaker 1: the families who make their living online preparing for the

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Speaker 1: change before we get there. Here's Tarlie Blackman with the

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Speaker 1: latest from the Quiki newsroom for Monday, October twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. The United States has signed a series of

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Speaker 2: trade and critical minerals agreement with Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand, and Vietnam,

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Speaker 2: aiming to strengthen supply chains and reduce dependence on China.

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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump, attending the Asian Summit in Kuala Lumpur,

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Speaker 2: finalized reciprosal trade deals that will gradually cut tariffs and

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Speaker 2: expand cooperation in digital trade, services and investment. Vietnam agreed

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Speaker 2: to boost imports of US products to narrow its one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty three billion dollar trade surplus, while Malaysia

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Speaker 2: pledged not to restrict exports of rare earths to the US.

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Speaker 2: Thailand will remove tariffs on nearly all goods and ease

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Speaker 2: foreign ownership limits in telecommunications. The agreements also commit partners

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Speaker 2: to protecting labour rights and environmental standards. Washington hopes the

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Speaker 2: packs will secure alternative supplies of critical minerals, as China

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Speaker 2: Titan's export controls on rare earth technologies. Five Pakistani soldiers

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Speaker 2: and twenty five militants have been killed in clashes near

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Speaker 2: the Afghan border, of the military said as officials from

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Speaker 2: both countries met in Istanbul to ease rising tensions. The

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Speaker 2: fighting erupted on Friday and Saturday in Kuram and North Waziristan,

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Speaker 2: while militants tried to cross from Afghanistan into Pakistan, according

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Speaker 2: to the military's media wing. It said the infiltrations raised

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Speaker 2: doubts about Kabul's commitment to tackling terrorism. From its soil.

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Speaker 2: Pakistan's Defense Minister Kwaja Arsif said a fragile truce agreed

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Speaker 2: in Doha last week was still holding, but warned that

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Speaker 2: failure to reach a deal in Turkey could lead to

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Speaker 2: open war. The Taliban has denied harboring militants, accusing Pakistan

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Speaker 2: of violating its sovereignty. US President Donald Trump, while attending

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Speaker 2: the Asian Summer in Malaysia, says he will solve the

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Speaker 2: crisis very quickly. Severe thunderstorms battered Victoria on Sunday, leaving

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Speaker 2: more than twenty five thousand homes without power, mainly in

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Speaker 2: Melbourne and the States West. The Bureau of Meteorology issued

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Speaker 2: a severe weather warning, which has since been canceled. Strong

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Speaker 2: winds and heavy rain brought down dozens of trees, damage roofs,

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Speaker 2: and flooded streets in suburbs including Werribee, Hoppers Crossing and Newport.

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Speaker 2: Victorian Ses received three hundred and ninety five cores for assistance,

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Speaker 2: reporting two hundred and fifteen incidents of building damage and

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Speaker 2: eighty fallen trees. Resident Eleanor Jewis described the storm as

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Speaker 2: like a tornado, with tiles ripped from her roof and

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Speaker 2: debris scattered across her yard. Emergency services warn residents to

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Speaker 2: remain cautious as clean up continues. Playing Dungeons and Dragons,

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Speaker 2: the iconic tabletop role playing game, may be more than

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Speaker 2: just fun. According to new research, it can boost mental health, identity,

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Speaker 2: and social connection. Emily Messina, an associate professor at Florida

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Speaker 2: that builds skills and personal fulfillment. Messina's research shows the

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Speaker 2: game helps adults create safe spaces for self expression, trying

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Speaker 2: out new personas, and developed life leadership skills. For players

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Speaker 2: managing mental health conditions, it provides daily structure, a sense

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Speaker 2: of accomplishment, and social interaction. The benefits extend across ages. Retirees,

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Speaker 2: for example, can maintain purpose and connection, while younger adults

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Speaker 2: find a creative outlet outside work. Regular D and D

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Speaker 2: sessions also foster long lasting friendships, proving there's no age

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Speaker 1: Thanks Charlie Next, Knowing Wintally could be your new social superpower.

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Speaker 1: For years, we've been told that a good social life

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Speaker 1: means going out, staying late, and saying yes to everything.

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Speaker 1: But new research from dating app Hinge is flipping that

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Speaker 1: idea on its head in news that makes my little

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Speaker 1: introverted heart sing. According to their global study, the key

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Speaker 1: to a healthy social life isn't how long you stay out,

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Speaker 1: but how well you know your social sweet spot. The

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Speaker 1: sweet spot is the amount of time you can enjoy

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Speaker 1: being around people before you start to feel drained, or,

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Speaker 1: as many of us know it, before the IRL social

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Speaker 1: battery goes flat. The research found thirty eight percent of

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Speaker 1: hours of socializing. For gen Z, that number jumps up

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Speaker 1: to more than half mo Ari Hinges, love and Connection

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Speaker 1: expert Yes that is a real job, says that knowing

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Speaker 1: when to leave doesn't mean you're running away. It means

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Speaker 1: also helps build trust because when you leave early on

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Speaker 1: and their time. So why does this matter now? Why

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Speaker 1: over the past two years, social media mentions of social

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Speaker 1: burnout have grown by more than five hundred percent, and

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Speaker 1: as we head into holiday party season, there's the unwritten

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Speaker 1: rule that the last one to leave wins, but the

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Speaker 1: reality overstaying can backfire. When you're mentally drained, you're less engaged,

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Speaker 1: less present, and more likely to feel disconnected. Hinge found

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Speaker 1: that sixty two percent of gen z is that say

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Speaker 1: they've skipped events altogether to avoid social burnout. So what's

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Speaker 1: the fix. Notice your threshold, pay attention to how long

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Speaker 1: you genuinely enjoy social settings, and don't go see event,

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Speaker 1: tell friends before you leave. Ultimately, it's about connection, not attendance.

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Speaker 1: And as we gear up for end of your office

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Speaker 1: parties and pre Christmas catch ups, maybe the new rule

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Speaker 1: group chat says otherwise tomorrow. Australia's world first teen social

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Speaker 1: media ban is now just forty four days away.

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Speaker 3: You know the drill.

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Speaker 1: From December ten, anyone under sixteen will be blocked from

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Speaker 1: using major platforms like Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok x, Reddit and YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Now that list could be expanded. The Safety Commissioner has

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Speaker 1: reportedly notified sixteen companies so far, including WhatsApp, Roadblocks and Discord,

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Speaker 1: The government says this is about protecting kids well being,

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Speaker 1: but for some families, especially those who make their living online,

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Speaker 1: the rules are already re runing their lifestyle. Australia's family

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Speaker 1: of bloggers, many of whom have built successful brands around

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Speaker 4: The ban was confirmed, so we didn't actually think it

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Speaker 4: then when we heard that it was actually going to happen,

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Speaker 4: we were like, Okay, we need a solution because Charlie

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Speaker 4: loves being online. We're ready to move. What's the best

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Speaker 1: Under the new law. Under sixteen, accounts will have to

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Speaker 1: to comply. Mummy A reporter, Ailish Delaney has been looking

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Speaker 1: into how these Internet famous families are preparing ahead of

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Speaker 1: the band Eilish. You've spoken to quite a few people

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Empire Family. Who are they?

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Speaker 3: So they're a Perth blogger family of two moms, Beck

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Speaker 3: of makes more niche gaming content and Charlie is more

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Speaker 3: And then they have their Empire Family channel together that

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Speaker 1: So how do they define what they're doing online there?

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Speaker 1: Like the online gaming content, I understand that's a community

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Speaker 1: of people who want to watch people play online video games,

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Speaker 3: So they would say that they are family bloggers. A

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Speaker 3: and they say that the kids have a big involvement

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Speaker 3: doing maybe like fashion things or skits with her mum sometimes.

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Speaker 1: And so then they must be building these pretty unique

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Speaker 1: communities across all their different outlets. I imagine for teen girls,

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Speaker 1: like they're tuning in to watch what other teen girls

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. The mums were saying that Charlie has a

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Speaker 1: What's their take on the social media ban? And I

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Speaker 1: from all of their various channels online. This must be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely has. I mean, they had plans to

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Speaker 3: So now they're actually moving to the UK and they're

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Speaker 3: they feel safe having their kids platforms on there. They

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Speaker 3: but they don't think a blanket ban is the way

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, right because as people whose careers and their

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Speaker 1: potentially being taken away from them. But to say that

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Speaker 1: they don't completely agree with the band but understand it,

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Speaker 1: it sounds that they're coming from a very technical standpoint,

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Speaker 1: like really encouraging parents to get in the back end

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Speaker 1: admitted oversight though on parents who are not actually doing

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Speaker 3: That was part of their stance, kind of saying that

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Speaker 3: and kind of put the onus back on the platform

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Speaker 3: Rebecca made a point saying that there are a lot

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Speaker 3: that same choice like they have, because not everyone can

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Speaker 1: So Rebecca's already moved to the UK. She's setting up

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Speaker 1: Have they given you any indication of what their lives

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Speaker 3: I assume it's going to be a bit of the same.

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Speaker 3: They don't really want to change up their content too much,

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Speaker 3: they said, so she'll kind of have more opportunity to

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Speaker 1: This is just one example of how one family are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I spoke to another content creator called Ella

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Speaker 3: Anna was also saying, similar to Beck and Rebecca, that

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Speaker 3: and Ella was saying that she doesn't actually want to

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