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Speaker 1: So much.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges

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Speaker 2: is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill,

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Speaker 2: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm

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Speaker 2: m Vernon. Coming up on the show today, a very

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Speaker 2: their careers and they have generated a lot of them

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Speaker 2: going to say, some negative headlines, some dramatic headlines, but

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Speaker 2: we have watched the full video as we're going to

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Speaker 2: get to the truth of what happened.

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Speaker 3: But first, I recently watched a film on Netflix called

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Speaker 3: The hit Man. You might have heard of it. It's

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Speaker 3: been in headlines everywhere. It's what everyone's talking about. If

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Speaker 3: you have a Netflix account, it's probably the first thing

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Speaker 3: that it recommends you to watch. So The Hitman stars

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Speaker 3: He had that kind of like romance on screen and

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Speaker 2: Top Gun film.

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Speaker 3: Yes, in this movie, he's the star of the movie.

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Speaker 3: He's also one of the producers. He plays a guy

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Speaker 3: named Gary Johnson who is a UNI professor. He gets

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Speaker 3: employed by the police to pretend to be a fake

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Speaker 3: hit man. So someone who's based on a true story.

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Speaker 3: It's based on a true story, so someone I can

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Speaker 3: his alter ego, I guess, is a guy named Ron

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Speaker 3: where he dresses up as a hit man. He goes

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Speaker 2: So that's his role.

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Speaker 3: He pretends to be a hit man. It's meant to

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Speaker 3: be like an action comedy, and yet I saw no

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to recommend it. I don't say where

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Speaker 3: It is an anti recommendation, except I am going to

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Speaker 3: recommend you watch it because Glenn Powell is actually really good.

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Speaker 3: It is he as an actor and I've been reading

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Speaker 3: him up in Hollywood as a serious actor. So since then,

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Speaker 3: he's been kind of playing these like heart throbby roles

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Speaker 3: like you would have seen him and set it up

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Speaker 3: like he was still like the really hot bad, like

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Speaker 3: good looking when he's pretending to be the hitman. His

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Speaker 3: And I think it's so hard for actors who start

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Speaker 2: Oh well, they're power of acting. I find Glenn Powell

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Speaker 2: an actor who is there because of gimmicks, yes, which

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Speaker 2: Gun Maverick. A lot of stars came out of that,

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Speaker 2: that could have been any tallish, blondish man with an okay,

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Speaker 2: And then ever since then, he's always had these little

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Speaker 2: So it's like, what happens if we just let this

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're gonna watch The hit Man okay,

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there as a fact, He's fine. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 3: I was just really shocked, Like every heart throw I see,

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Speaker 2: Well, watch The hip Man on Netflix or dote. This

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Speaker 3: So, if you didn't know, Variety do this video series

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Speaker 3: It's probably up there with one of my best YouTube series.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because, as we were sort of saying when

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Speaker 2: So it's this like interesting interview series and they talk

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Speaker 2: And it's been around for ten years, but this is

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Speaker 3: There's one interview in particular that I wanted to talk about,

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Speaker 2: That what you're want to win an Emmy. No, I

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Speaker 3: And we have Jennifer Aniston, who's Jennifer Aniston and brilliant, brilliant, brilliant,

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Speaker 3: The amount of respect these two women have for each

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Speaker 2: But there was one part in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's also very telling that they left

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Speaker 2: of like why is she bring this up? Made Jennifer

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Speaker 2: about today, and then just I think the one big

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Speaker 2: takeaway from this is that we have four interesting women

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Speaker 2: sitting in a room together talking about things. Some of

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Speaker 2: it's smart, some of it's not. All of it's kind

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Speaker 2: of interesting, But all that's come out of it is

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Speaker 2: these headlines about what they've done wrong, which I feel

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Speaker 2: like is missing the point of the whole situation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, isn't this still what happens with our celebrity women.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.

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Speaker 2: The Spill Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise, we will be back here in your podcast feed

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Speaker 3: at three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye, Lan