1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:27,184 Speaker 1: is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the spill 4 00:00:27,224 --> 00:00:30,344 Speaker 1: your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm 5 00:00:30,424 --> 00:00:33,784 Speaker 1: m Vernon And today we have a very serious warning 6 00:00:33,784 --> 00:00:36,864 Speaker 1: from Rebel Wilson. She posted overnight. They have been allegations, 7 00:00:37,104 --> 00:00:38,864 Speaker 1: there have been comebacks. We're going to get into that. 8 00:00:39,224 --> 00:00:41,984 Speaker 1: Plus we have some dire information about a movie that 9 00:00:42,064 --> 00:00:44,664 Speaker 1: I was desperately looking forward to. Not sure how I'm 10 00:00:44,664 --> 00:00:47,024 Speaker 1: going to make it through today, but first we'll get 11 00:00:47,064 --> 00:00:47,464 Speaker 1: through it. 12 00:00:47,904 --> 00:00:51,944 Speaker 2: But first, we finally have the official trailer to Ridley 13 00:00:52,024 --> 00:00:55,064 Speaker 2: Scott's Gladiator Too, starring Paul mescal. 14 00:00:56,744 --> 00:00:57,944 Speaker 1: I remember that day. 15 00:01:00,104 --> 00:01:04,184 Speaker 2: I never forgot it that a slave could take revenge 16 00:01:04,224 --> 00:01:05,144 Speaker 2: against an emperor. 17 00:01:07,264 --> 00:01:09,144 Speaker 1: Where were you born? I don't know. 18 00:01:10,384 --> 00:01:11,784 Speaker 3: I never knew a mother and law father. 19 00:01:12,984 --> 00:01:14,224 Speaker 1: You will be my instrument. 20 00:01:15,024 --> 00:01:17,424 Speaker 3: Who are you? Did you hear that crowd? 21 00:01:19,544 --> 00:01:21,784 Speaker 1: The greatest temple room. 22 00:01:21,584 --> 00:01:26,504 Speaker 2: Ever built, the Carlosseum, Because this is what they believe 23 00:01:26,544 --> 00:01:30,824 Speaker 2: in power. I've convinced everyone here in spill Land to 24 00:01:31,424 --> 00:01:33,664 Speaker 2: let me do a little recap of the trailer. 25 00:01:33,664 --> 00:01:34,944 Speaker 1: Pea, I'm quite nervous about this. 26 00:01:35,024 --> 00:01:37,744 Speaker 2: I think I've watched it around twenty three times really, 27 00:01:37,824 --> 00:01:39,744 Speaker 2: and it only came out like what last night. 28 00:01:39,984 --> 00:01:41,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched it a lot. 29 00:01:41,824 --> 00:01:43,504 Speaker 2: A little tip if you're going to watch the trailer, 30 00:01:43,544 --> 00:01:47,584 Speaker 2: watch you with subtitles on, because surprisingly it's really hard 31 00:01:47,624 --> 00:01:50,984 Speaker 2: to understand angry men yelling while they kill each other. 32 00:01:51,264 --> 00:01:53,584 Speaker 1: Oh, I just assume that there's a plot that'll come 33 00:01:53,584 --> 00:01:55,544 Speaker 1: to me later. I was just watching The Violins and 34 00:01:55,584 --> 00:01:56,224 Speaker 1: I was loving it. 35 00:01:56,704 --> 00:01:59,904 Speaker 2: So the start of the trailer, it flashes back to 36 00:01:59,944 --> 00:02:02,424 Speaker 2: Gladiator one, so you're like, oh, yep, this is definitely 37 00:02:02,464 --> 00:02:05,424 Speaker 2: a sequel. It shows Paul mescal as a young boy 38 00:02:05,704 --> 00:02:09,504 Speaker 2: who saw quote a slave take revenge on an emperor, 39 00:02:10,104 --> 00:02:12,904 Speaker 2: and then it jumps into the actual trailer of the movie. 40 00:02:13,304 --> 00:02:16,424 Speaker 2: So Paul his character. Okay, firstly, I'm not sure what 41 00:02:16,504 --> 00:02:18,624 Speaker 2: his name is because they don't say each other's names. 42 00:02:18,784 --> 00:02:24,144 Speaker 1: We're just calling the gladiator a very strong gladiator name, Paul. 43 00:02:24,304 --> 00:02:26,384 Speaker 2: He doesn't know much about his past. He doesn't know 44 00:02:26,424 --> 00:02:29,184 Speaker 2: who his mom or father is, and I think that's 45 00:02:29,184 --> 00:02:32,264 Speaker 2: going to be a common theme throughout the entire film. 46 00:02:32,624 --> 00:02:36,264 Speaker 2: You don't see Pedro Pascal, so straight away moves were 47 00:02:36,304 --> 00:02:39,144 Speaker 2: just calling him Pedro Theater. He's the leader of the 48 00:02:39,224 --> 00:02:40,144 Speaker 2: Roman army. 49 00:02:40,304 --> 00:02:40,784 Speaker 1: Oh sure. 50 00:02:41,104 --> 00:02:43,584 Speaker 2: You first see him on this carriage like being led 51 00:02:43,584 --> 00:02:45,704 Speaker 2: by horses, and he's like waving to the crowd, kind 52 00:02:45,704 --> 00:02:47,864 Speaker 2: of like that scene in Hunger Games where she's wearing 53 00:02:47,944 --> 00:02:50,704 Speaker 2: the dress and they're waving, and then there's a lot 54 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:53,904 Speaker 2: of fighting and killing scenes. That's a like ongoing motive 55 00:02:53,984 --> 00:02:57,304 Speaker 2: throughout this entire trailer. There's a very sexy line from 56 00:02:57,304 --> 00:03:00,784 Speaker 2: Denzel Washington where he tells Paul, you have something in you. 57 00:03:02,064 --> 00:03:04,504 Speaker 1: Was he meant to be sexy? It was not meant 58 00:03:04,544 --> 00:03:05,504 Speaker 1: to be sexy? 59 00:03:06,024 --> 00:03:09,104 Speaker 2: A lot of subtext, I think whenever Denzel Washington says anything, 60 00:03:09,224 --> 00:03:09,824 Speaker 2: it's sexy. 61 00:03:09,984 --> 00:03:10,624 Speaker 1: Kind hell bit. 62 00:03:10,744 --> 00:03:13,344 Speaker 2: Paul is then seen crying, and then he is angry, 63 00:03:13,384 --> 00:03:15,704 Speaker 2: and then he's covered in blood. He is told that 64 00:03:15,784 --> 00:03:17,864 Speaker 2: his rage is a gift, which makes me worry that 65 00:03:17,864 --> 00:03:19,504 Speaker 2: they're promoting toxic masculinity. 66 00:03:20,944 --> 00:03:22,144 Speaker 1: But it's fine because. 67 00:03:21,904 --> 00:03:24,504 Speaker 2: Then there's a scene where he's running and he's running 68 00:03:24,544 --> 00:03:26,944 Speaker 2: really weirdly, which is confusing because you would think he 69 00:03:26,984 --> 00:03:28,944 Speaker 2: has experience in running, since he runs from all of 70 00:03:28,944 --> 00:03:31,584 Speaker 2: his girlfriends Paul Mescilline real life, not Paul the Gladiator. 71 00:03:31,584 --> 00:03:33,264 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm jumping to real life. But in the 72 00:03:33,344 --> 00:03:35,984 Speaker 2: trailer he's running kind of like a Fortnight character. 73 00:03:36,024 --> 00:03:38,344 Speaker 1: His arms are very high, and they didn't teach her 74 00:03:38,344 --> 00:03:39,464 Speaker 1: in glady at a training school. 75 00:03:39,504 --> 00:03:40,904 Speaker 2: No, I don't think they should have included that either, 76 00:03:40,904 --> 00:03:43,744 Speaker 2: because immediately gave me the eck. There's a rhino, which 77 00:03:43,744 --> 00:03:45,624 Speaker 2: is fine because back then they weren't in danger, so 78 00:03:45,624 --> 00:03:47,824 Speaker 2: they're like, they are allowed to use of rhinos. 79 00:03:48,024 --> 00:03:49,704 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, hey, well, let it go for the point 80 00:03:49,704 --> 00:03:51,464 Speaker 1: of the movie, but don't kill actual rhinos. 81 00:03:51,784 --> 00:03:55,224 Speaker 2: Denzel comes back with more interesting questions. He asked Paul, 82 00:03:55,464 --> 00:03:57,744 Speaker 2: whose head should I give you to satisfy this fury. 83 00:03:58,024 --> 00:04:02,104 Speaker 2: Paul replies, the entire Roman Empire. Denzel giggled, but Paul 84 00:04:02,184 --> 00:04:06,064 Speaker 2: was not joking. Denzil'sn't a different movie. He's in a 85 00:04:06,064 --> 00:04:08,984 Speaker 2: bit of a rom com. He's in a classic Roman empire. 86 00:04:08,984 --> 00:04:12,024 Speaker 2: I'm laughing quite a bit through this entire trailer. I 87 00:04:12,024 --> 00:04:14,384 Speaker 2: think Denzel's character is the guy who kind of makes 88 00:04:14,424 --> 00:04:15,464 Speaker 2: all the gladiators happen. 89 00:04:15,544 --> 00:04:17,224 Speaker 1: Oh sure, because they're all slaves. 90 00:04:16,864 --> 00:04:18,504 Speaker 2: And then they make them into gladiators, and then once 91 00:04:18,544 --> 00:04:20,584 Speaker 2: they're gladiators, then they win, they become free men. 92 00:04:20,624 --> 00:04:22,824 Speaker 1: I think that's hard. That's a job that doesn't exist anymore. 93 00:04:22,864 --> 00:04:24,344 Speaker 1: That's sad. It is really sad. 94 00:04:24,384 --> 00:04:26,864 Speaker 2: But then they both settle that as long as Paul 95 00:04:26,984 --> 00:04:29,824 Speaker 2: ends up killing Pedro Pascal, that would be fine and enough. 96 00:04:29,904 --> 00:04:31,984 Speaker 2: So the end scene is him about to get into 97 00:04:32,024 --> 00:04:33,824 Speaker 2: the arena with Pedro Pascal. 98 00:04:34,264 --> 00:04:36,784 Speaker 1: It ends there, and then Pedro and Paul duke it out. 99 00:04:36,984 --> 00:04:38,864 Speaker 1: I don't want you to learn their names, by the way, 100 00:04:39,064 --> 00:04:40,584 Speaker 1: when we watch the movie, I want you just to 101 00:04:40,664 --> 00:04:42,184 Speaker 1: refer to them as their gladiat Yeah. 102 00:04:42,224 --> 00:04:43,384 Speaker 2: I thought there was a bit of a plothole in 103 00:04:43,424 --> 00:04:46,984 Speaker 2: the trailer that no names. There was absolutely no name said. 104 00:04:47,144 --> 00:04:50,424 Speaker 2: I did see though, that he gets Maximus's ring. Oh, 105 00:04:50,584 --> 00:04:51,744 Speaker 2: Russell Crowe's ring, So. 106 00:04:51,664 --> 00:04:53,544 Speaker 1: I think that's a nice quarterback the three line from 107 00:04:53,544 --> 00:04:55,304 Speaker 1: the first movie, because I don't think Russell Crowe is 108 00:04:55,344 --> 00:04:58,264 Speaker 1: going to be fighting anyone in this movie alone for 109 00:04:58,304 --> 00:05:01,024 Speaker 1: the first one fast, I think he's past a fighting 110 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:02,424 Speaker 1: ghost isn't going to appear. 111 00:05:02,664 --> 00:05:05,264 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's Gladiator too. I feel like you don't 112 00:05:05,264 --> 00:05:06,544 Speaker 2: need to watch it that I think I've given you 113 00:05:06,704 --> 00:05:07,104 Speaker 2: the gist. 114 00:05:07,424 --> 00:05:09,024 Speaker 1: I mean, you're giving up your ticket to the premiere. 115 00:05:09,064 --> 00:05:11,104 Speaker 2: Don't even say that as if you'd actually say that 116 00:05:11,104 --> 00:05:13,664 Speaker 2: out loud. I cannot wait for the premier. Not sure 117 00:05:13,664 --> 00:05:15,864 Speaker 2: if I'll get a ticket, but if I do, it 118 00:05:15,904 --> 00:05:17,904 Speaker 2: will literally be the best thing that's ever happened to 119 00:05:17,904 --> 00:05:20,384 Speaker 2: me in my tie life. So Gladiator Too will be 120 00:05:20,544 --> 00:05:22,864 Speaker 2: out on November fourteen. You might remember it's also the 121 00:05:22,904 --> 00:05:25,584 Speaker 2: same date as Wicked. Yeah, so we're going to be 122 00:05:25,584 --> 00:05:28,024 Speaker 2: watching both one hundred percent both. They're both for women. 123 00:05:28,064 --> 00:05:30,264 Speaker 2: I'm so sick of just any like for the girls. Yeah, 124 00:05:30,264 --> 00:05:32,344 Speaker 2: exactly for people being like, oh, women go to Wicked, 125 00:05:32,344 --> 00:05:34,064 Speaker 2: women go to and boys will go to gladiat I 126 00:05:34,144 --> 00:05:35,864 Speaker 2: know we're going to both going to both see there. 127 00:05:37,904 --> 00:05:40,944 Speaker 2: In a feature interview with The New Yorker, Lena Dunham 128 00:05:40,984 --> 00:05:44,344 Speaker 2: announced that she is wait for it, no longer working 129 00:05:44,464 --> 00:05:45,904 Speaker 2: on the upcoming Pollpocket. 130 00:05:46,184 --> 00:05:47,664 Speaker 1: It's like a knife through my heart. 131 00:05:47,864 --> 00:05:50,464 Speaker 2: Oh. She said that she had been brought on as 132 00:05:50,464 --> 00:05:52,744 Speaker 2: a writer and director of the film and she spent 133 00:05:52,824 --> 00:05:55,384 Speaker 2: three years working on it, but this was the announcement 134 00:05:55,384 --> 00:05:57,424 Speaker 2: in which you'd said I'm no longer doing it. In 135 00:05:57,464 --> 00:06:00,064 Speaker 2: the interview, she said I'm going to tell you something 136 00:06:00,064 --> 00:06:02,664 Speaker 2: here that I haven't told anyone. I'm not going to 137 00:06:02,704 --> 00:06:06,024 Speaker 2: make the Pollypocket movie. I think Greta Goerwick managed this 138 00:06:06,064 --> 00:06:08,624 Speaker 2: incredible feat with Barbie, which was to make this thing 139 00:06:08,664 --> 00:06:11,544 Speaker 2: that was literally candy to so many different kinds of people. 140 00:06:12,184 --> 00:06:14,024 Speaker 2: Unless I can do it that way, I'm not going 141 00:06:14,064 --> 00:06:15,984 Speaker 2: to do it. I don't think I have it in me. 142 00:06:16,424 --> 00:06:18,384 Speaker 2: I feel like the next movie I make needs to 143 00:06:18,424 --> 00:06:20,944 Speaker 2: feel like a movie that I absolutely have to make. 144 00:06:21,384 --> 00:06:23,064 Speaker 2: No one but me could make it, and I think 145 00:06:23,144 --> 00:06:27,784 Speaker 2: other people could make Pollypocket. That hurts when I read that, 146 00:06:27,864 --> 00:06:31,144 Speaker 2: because I think I'm not done with the whole Barbie 147 00:06:31,184 --> 00:06:34,504 Speaker 2: Like I kind of miss everything that happened with Barbie, 148 00:06:34,504 --> 00:06:37,384 Speaker 2: like how every woman got dressed up to go watch it. 149 00:06:37,384 --> 00:06:39,264 Speaker 2: It became this big thing. I was going to parties 150 00:06:39,304 --> 00:06:41,864 Speaker 2: that were all Barbie themed, like it was just beautiful 151 00:06:41,904 --> 00:06:44,944 Speaker 2: seeing all the actresses together, like, get around it. Ryan 152 00:06:44,984 --> 00:06:47,224 Speaker 2: Goslin got around it. And I kind of missed that 153 00:06:47,344 --> 00:06:50,104 Speaker 2: girlhood moment in cinema, and that's what I was waiting 154 00:06:50,144 --> 00:06:50,984 Speaker 2: for for Polly Pocketing. 155 00:06:51,104 --> 00:06:53,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I definitely thought Polypocket was going to be 156 00:06:53,584 --> 00:06:55,784 Speaker 1: in that same realm as Barbie and the difference to 157 00:06:55,824 --> 00:06:57,224 Speaker 1: a lot of those movies that were all of a 158 00:06:57,264 --> 00:06:59,744 Speaker 1: sudden put into production, like the Uno movie or the 159 00:06:59,744 --> 00:07:02,664 Speaker 1: Betsy Wetsy movie. God give Me strength, all these movies 160 00:07:02,704 --> 00:07:04,984 Speaker 1: that will put into production as a result of Barbie, 161 00:07:05,384 --> 00:07:07,064 Speaker 1: with like a lot of studios just trying to cash 162 00:07:07,064 --> 00:07:09,264 Speaker 1: in on like, oh, people want to see movies about toys. 163 00:07:09,424 --> 00:07:12,024 Speaker 1: Polly Pocket movie wasn't that. It's been in development for 164 00:07:12,064 --> 00:07:15,024 Speaker 1: a really long time. Barbie was in development first before 165 00:07:15,024 --> 00:07:17,384 Speaker 1: the casting of Barbie, before Greta came on or anything 166 00:07:17,424 --> 00:07:19,664 Speaker 1: like that. It's been in production for such long time. 167 00:07:19,904 --> 00:07:22,304 Speaker 1: And people were so excited when Lena Dunham came on 168 00:07:22,384 --> 00:07:25,344 Speaker 1: to write and direct, because she's an amazing scriptwriter and 169 00:07:25,344 --> 00:07:27,224 Speaker 1: she has a really unique voice and point of view, 170 00:07:27,464 --> 00:07:29,344 Speaker 1: and everyone was like, this is so exciting to have 171 00:07:29,424 --> 00:07:31,824 Speaker 1: like a quintessential elder millennial. I say that as an 172 00:07:31,824 --> 00:07:34,264 Speaker 1: elder millennial myself, come on and take a toy that 173 00:07:34,384 --> 00:07:36,664 Speaker 1: was so important to us growing up and give it 174 00:07:36,704 --> 00:07:39,624 Speaker 1: this whole new life and make it really smart and 175 00:07:39,704 --> 00:07:43,024 Speaker 1: funny and also visually stunning, which I think. Just imagine 176 00:07:43,064 --> 00:07:46,664 Speaker 1: a live action Polypocket with practical effects of her like 177 00:07:46,744 --> 00:07:50,144 Speaker 1: living and she goes into little different Polypocket worlds the 178 00:07:50,264 --> 00:07:52,784 Speaker 1: dream and now I feel like the movie will still 179 00:07:52,784 --> 00:07:54,704 Speaker 1: get made, but it'll probably now just go back into 180 00:07:54,744 --> 00:07:57,824 Speaker 1: development hell where they try and find another writer, producer, 181 00:07:57,944 --> 00:07:59,944 Speaker 1: like it takes so long to make a movie. And 182 00:07:59,984 --> 00:08:03,144 Speaker 1: what's time sensitive about this is that Lily Collins, Emily 183 00:08:03,184 --> 00:08:08,024 Speaker 1: in Paris herself, was attached to play Polypocket and she great, 184 00:08:08,624 --> 00:08:10,944 Speaker 1: She would do great. She looks like Pollpocket, she's vibe 185 00:08:10,984 --> 00:08:13,744 Speaker 1: of Pollypocket, and she can do that ditzy, lovable thing 186 00:08:13,904 --> 00:08:16,384 Speaker 1: really well. But the thing is that she's already in 187 00:08:16,384 --> 00:08:18,584 Speaker 1: her kind of like early to mid thirties, which is 188 00:08:18,584 --> 00:08:21,064 Speaker 1: a perfectly fine time to play Pollypocket. But she needs 189 00:08:21,064 --> 00:08:22,544 Speaker 1: to play it now. But if we push this movie 190 00:08:22,544 --> 00:08:25,744 Speaker 1: out another ten years, then I just worry that Lily 191 00:08:25,784 --> 00:08:28,744 Speaker 1: Collins is gonna get pushed aside. No, And so I 192 00:08:28,824 --> 00:08:30,784 Speaker 1: just I'm just worried for the fate of movies. I'm 193 00:08:30,824 --> 00:08:33,104 Speaker 1: worried for us and like you said, like another girlhood 194 00:08:33,144 --> 00:08:34,824 Speaker 1: movie experience pushed aside. 195 00:08:34,944 --> 00:08:37,344 Speaker 2: It's so interesting because we were talking about this in 196 00:08:37,384 --> 00:08:41,024 Speaker 2: our meeting, and we don't have an example of any 197 00:08:41,144 --> 00:08:43,504 Speaker 2: male director who'd ever do the same thing like I 198 00:08:43,544 --> 00:08:46,824 Speaker 2: can't even imagine a male director going, oh, but Steven 199 00:08:46,864 --> 00:08:48,704 Speaker 2: Spielsberg did it so well, and I don't think I 200 00:08:48,704 --> 00:08:49,944 Speaker 2: could do it as well as that, So I'm just 201 00:08:49,984 --> 00:08:50,464 Speaker 2: not gonna do. 202 00:08:50,504 --> 00:08:52,464 Speaker 1: It, I know. I think it's because there's this backstory 203 00:08:52,504 --> 00:08:54,664 Speaker 1: attached to any woman who comes in and like writes 204 00:08:54,664 --> 00:08:57,024 Speaker 1: a big movie or directs it, and it's this idea 205 00:08:57,104 --> 00:08:59,064 Speaker 1: of like, well, if she doesn't do it well or 206 00:08:59,224 --> 00:09:00,944 Speaker 1: there's something and that is attached to this idea that 207 00:09:01,024 --> 00:09:03,584 Speaker 1: maybe women can't direct movies because you've got to think 208 00:09:03,584 --> 00:09:05,024 Speaker 1: that the people who are behind this is a very 209 00:09:05,064 --> 00:09:08,104 Speaker 1: old school, mostly older white men, And that was the 210 00:09:08,104 --> 00:09:10,104 Speaker 1: whole thing about even like don't worry Darling with Olivia 211 00:09:10,104 --> 00:09:12,784 Speaker 1: whe why so many people will like stop these headlines 212 00:09:13,104 --> 00:09:15,744 Speaker 1: because they were so worried that it would tarnish all 213 00:09:15,864 --> 00:09:18,984 Speaker 1: female directors, even though men are way more emotional most 214 00:09:19,024 --> 00:09:21,264 Speaker 1: of the time the stories that come out. But I 215 00:09:21,304 --> 00:09:23,304 Speaker 1: think it's something that we hear women say in public, 216 00:09:23,344 --> 00:09:25,704 Speaker 1: but men not as much. And like a prime example 217 00:09:25,744 --> 00:09:28,184 Speaker 1: I think is like Jennifer Lawrence was all set to 218 00:09:28,344 --> 00:09:30,304 Speaker 1: star as Elizabeth Holmes, know, the woman who did the 219 00:09:30,384 --> 00:09:33,424 Speaker 1: fraud theerrnose defraud to people all the money and stuff. 220 00:09:33,464 --> 00:09:35,984 Speaker 1: And then when she got asked about playing that role 221 00:09:36,024 --> 00:09:37,944 Speaker 1: that was such a big hype up around it, she 222 00:09:38,024 --> 00:09:40,864 Speaker 1: said that she had watched Amanda Seafreed in the Dropout 223 00:09:40,944 --> 00:09:42,664 Speaker 1: series that she won awards for, and she's like, I 224 00:09:42,704 --> 00:09:44,344 Speaker 1: watched that and was like, no, she did it, like 225 00:09:44,424 --> 00:09:46,824 Speaker 1: she did everything. She was amazing. There's I can't compare 226 00:09:46,864 --> 00:09:48,584 Speaker 1: to that. So I think that that's the thing of 227 00:09:48,664 --> 00:09:51,624 Speaker 1: women are like, oh, only one person gets a shot. 228 00:09:51,704 --> 00:09:56,304 Speaker 2: Which sucks because I'd love some competition with female directors. 229 00:09:56,304 --> 00:10:00,424 Speaker 2: But it's also so telling that women, especially women directors, 230 00:10:00,744 --> 00:10:03,184 Speaker 2: see someone like Greta and it's like that is a 231 00:10:03,264 --> 00:10:06,824 Speaker 2: standard for women directors. But with male directors it's like 232 00:10:06,864 --> 00:10:09,184 Speaker 2: they see like a Steven Spielberg and they're like, that's 233 00:10:09,184 --> 00:10:12,704 Speaker 2: the standard for all directs. Yeah, Like it's so frustrating 234 00:10:12,784 --> 00:10:15,504 Speaker 2: that Greta can't be seen as a standard for all directors. 235 00:10:15,504 --> 00:10:16,184 Speaker 2: It's only women. 236 00:10:16,424 --> 00:10:19,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. There's so many incredible scriptwriters and directors out 237 00:10:19,784 --> 00:10:21,784 Speaker 1: there that are women. I hope one of them comes 238 00:10:21,864 --> 00:10:23,824 Speaker 1: in and it has to be a woman, oh one 239 00:10:23,904 --> 00:10:25,904 Speaker 1: hundred percent. I mean never say never. They can get 240 00:10:25,944 --> 00:10:28,744 Speaker 1: a man to write Pollypocket, but I'm hoping another amazing 241 00:10:28,784 --> 00:10:30,704 Speaker 1: female director is going to come in and like make 242 00:10:30,784 --> 00:10:31,704 Speaker 1: this a big blockbuster. 243 00:10:32,064 --> 00:10:33,064 Speaker 2: Bit wow, let's go. 244 00:10:35,504 --> 00:10:38,624 Speaker 1: So last night about twelve thirty am Australian time, which 245 00:10:38,664 --> 00:10:41,384 Speaker 1: is the time I saw this video go up that time, Oh, 246 00:10:41,504 --> 00:10:43,304 Speaker 1: because I was prepping for the spill on something that 247 00:10:43,344 --> 00:10:47,304 Speaker 1: we'll talk about. On Friday, Rebel Wilson posted a very 248 00:10:47,344 --> 00:10:50,624 Speaker 1: serious video to her Instagram page where she gave a 249 00:10:50,624 --> 00:10:52,024 Speaker 1: bit of an update on the fate of her new 250 00:10:52,064 --> 00:10:54,864 Speaker 1: Australian movie. And to explain this, I'm just going to 251 00:10:55,024 --> 00:10:58,864 Speaker 1: use the headline that Deadline ran with because they kind 252 00:10:58,904 --> 00:11:02,584 Speaker 1: of really summed it up by saying, Rebel Wilson Warops 253 00:11:02,864 --> 00:11:05,944 Speaker 1: backs of her directing debut, the deb from nixing Pick 254 00:11:06,024 --> 00:11:08,944 Speaker 1: from Toronto. So basically, I just thought Warps was a 255 00:11:08,984 --> 00:11:11,184 Speaker 1: good who was a great one. It's actually what she 256 00:11:11,224 --> 00:11:14,184 Speaker 1: did and episode. So basically, she put out a video 257 00:11:14,304 --> 00:11:17,104 Speaker 1: explaining that this movie that she's been directing called The Dead, 258 00:11:17,144 --> 00:11:19,624 Speaker 1: which is kind of an astray musical, amazing cast, a 259 00:11:19,624 --> 00:11:21,744 Speaker 1: lot of people are very excited to see. It had 260 00:11:21,744 --> 00:11:24,224 Speaker 1: been selected as the closing night film at the Toronto 261 00:11:24,304 --> 00:11:27,304 Speaker 1: Film Festival. That's a bit. It's huge if you're making 262 00:11:27,304 --> 00:11:29,504 Speaker 1: a movie, especially like maybe a kind of small indie 263 00:11:29,504 --> 00:11:32,784 Speaker 1: movie like this, Having that kind of exposure is huge 264 00:11:32,784 --> 00:11:35,024 Speaker 1: for the movie, it's huge for the cast. Well, it 265 00:11:35,104 --> 00:11:37,824 Speaker 1: is a make or break situation people seeing this movie. 266 00:11:38,064 --> 00:11:39,944 Speaker 1: And then she put out a video saying that the 267 00:11:39,984 --> 00:11:43,144 Speaker 1: movie has now been blocked from appearing at the Film Festival. 268 00:11:43,304 --> 00:11:44,744 Speaker 1: But it's nothing to do with the people in the 269 00:11:44,744 --> 00:11:47,904 Speaker 1: film Festival. It's her business partners. It's the other producers 270 00:11:47,944 --> 00:11:50,664 Speaker 1: on the film that she says are trying to sabotage her. 271 00:11:51,064 --> 00:11:53,744 Speaker 3: Why are they saying this, Why are they stopping it 272 00:11:53,824 --> 00:11:58,984 Speaker 3: from premarying at Toronto? Well, this dates back to October 273 00:11:59,024 --> 00:12:04,184 Speaker 3: of last year, where I discovered bad behavior by these 274 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,584 Speaker 3: business partners. And let me just you know, I just 275 00:12:07,624 --> 00:12:08,944 Speaker 3: tell it how it is. So I'm just going to 276 00:12:08,944 --> 00:12:13,144 Speaker 3: tell you who they are. They are so called producers 277 00:12:13,424 --> 00:12:16,224 Speaker 3: of the film. I use that phrase very lightly. Their 278 00:12:16,304 --> 00:12:21,184 Speaker 3: names are Amanda Ghost and Gregor Cameron, and an executive 279 00:12:21,184 --> 00:12:25,424 Speaker 3: producer who works with them called Vince Holden. So these 280 00:12:25,424 --> 00:12:33,544 Speaker 3: are the people involved. And so I said, reported, I 281 00:12:33,544 --> 00:12:36,744 Speaker 3: guess you would say they're bad behavior. When I found 282 00:12:36,784 --> 00:12:42,344 Speaker 3: out not minor things, big things, inappropriate behavior towards the 283 00:12:42,424 --> 00:12:46,744 Speaker 3: lead actress of the film, embezzling funds from the film's budget, 284 00:12:47,264 --> 00:12:49,424 Speaker 3: which we really needed because we were a small movie, 285 00:12:49,744 --> 00:12:55,104 Speaker 3: so kind of really important things. Since I reported that behavior, 286 00:12:56,064 --> 00:13:01,744 Speaker 3: I have been met with absolute viciousness and retaliatory behavior. 287 00:13:02,504 --> 00:13:05,584 Speaker 3: So I'm there on set, I'm trying to film my 288 00:13:05,704 --> 00:13:08,744 Speaker 3: movie with my gorgeous Australian cast and crew who are 289 00:13:08,744 --> 00:13:11,184 Speaker 3: so amazing, shout out to all of you guys. And 290 00:13:11,304 --> 00:13:14,744 Speaker 3: yet every step of the way, these people who I 291 00:13:14,784 --> 00:13:18,584 Speaker 3: complained about then tried to make my life hell. In 292 00:13:18,624 --> 00:13:21,544 Speaker 3: the meantime, though I still finished the movie. I made 293 00:13:21,544 --> 00:13:26,144 Speaker 3: this great movie, the deb and then now you know, 294 00:13:26,384 --> 00:13:29,704 Speaker 3: almost at the finish line, they're saying, you know, it 295 00:13:29,744 --> 00:13:32,264 Speaker 3: can't come out. They might not release it, they might 296 00:13:32,344 --> 00:13:35,664 Speaker 3: bury it. This is work of hundreds of people who 297 00:13:35,704 --> 00:13:39,144 Speaker 3: have put their heart and soul into this, and this 298 00:13:39,264 --> 00:13:42,744 Speaker 3: behavior is absolutely vile and disgusting. 299 00:13:43,064 --> 00:13:46,944 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is insane. I can't believe she 300 00:13:46,984 --> 00:13:49,544 Speaker 2: did that. Like, I mean, good on her for doing that, 301 00:13:50,024 --> 00:13:53,264 Speaker 2: but I'm a bit confused. So before she did the 302 00:13:53,344 --> 00:13:56,904 Speaker 2: video her she was saying these producers that she reported 303 00:13:56,904 --> 00:14:00,864 Speaker 2: for bad behavior wanted to stop the movie from premiering 304 00:14:01,144 --> 00:14:04,224 Speaker 2: at the Toronto Festival. What would that have achieved. 305 00:14:04,504 --> 00:14:06,304 Speaker 1: It's hard to sort of say what's something behind the scenes. 306 00:14:06,344 --> 00:14:09,784 Speaker 1: Whether it was something to do with distribution, legal things, licensing, 307 00:14:09,824 --> 00:14:12,784 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure because up until now, apart from 308 00:14:12,904 --> 00:14:14,864 Speaker 1: the fact of people knowing this movie was getting made 309 00:14:14,904 --> 00:14:16,624 Speaker 1: and knowing that it's got this greater straining cast and 310 00:14:16,664 --> 00:14:19,264 Speaker 1: that Rebel was directing, it's not one of those movies 311 00:14:19,264 --> 00:14:21,584 Speaker 1: where we were like following every update and waiting for 312 00:14:21,624 --> 00:14:23,424 Speaker 1: trailers and stuff. So this is really the first time 313 00:14:23,464 --> 00:14:25,464 Speaker 1: a lot of people are hearing about that movie. And 314 00:14:25,464 --> 00:14:27,544 Speaker 1: I should say the three people that she's named have 315 00:14:27,624 --> 00:14:31,024 Speaker 1: come back through a sportsperson with their own take on 316 00:14:31,064 --> 00:14:35,664 Speaker 1: the story. So they've said Rebel Wilson's allegations are false, defamatory, 317 00:14:35,704 --> 00:14:39,264 Speaker 1: and disappointing. So that's from Amanda Ghost and Gogory Cameron 318 00:14:39,304 --> 00:14:43,144 Speaker 1: and executive producer of the film Vince Holden or executive producers. 319 00:14:42,744 --> 00:14:44,464 Speaker 2: Executive Oh my gosh, I. 320 00:14:44,424 --> 00:14:46,784 Speaker 1: Don't say that lightly. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, she's 321 00:14:46,864 --> 00:14:50,384 Speaker 1: she's angry, they say her self. Promotional claims are clearly 322 00:14:50,424 --> 00:14:54,064 Speaker 1: intended to cause reputational harm to individuals who have supported 323 00:14:54,064 --> 00:14:57,144 Speaker 1: her directional debut film, The deb a joyous movie that 324 00:14:57,184 --> 00:14:59,304 Speaker 1: we're very proud of and are looking forward to sharing 325 00:14:59,304 --> 00:15:02,304 Speaker 1: with audiences. For her to promote a false narrative to 326 00:15:02,344 --> 00:15:05,384 Speaker 1: advance her own agenda undermines the film and all the 327 00:15:05,384 --> 00:15:07,264 Speaker 1: people who worked on this project, but. 328 00:15:07,264 --> 00:15:10,344 Speaker 2: They didn't admit to wanting to pause it for the film. 329 00:15:11,184 --> 00:15:12,024 Speaker 1: That's very true. 330 00:15:12,144 --> 00:15:14,024 Speaker 2: I feel like this is going to get so messy. 331 00:15:14,424 --> 00:15:17,384 Speaker 2: And I also think, just watching that video now, like 332 00:15:17,464 --> 00:15:19,544 Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything about this film. I had no 333 00:15:19,584 --> 00:15:21,064 Speaker 2: idea she was directing. I had no idea it was 334 00:15:21,064 --> 00:15:23,464 Speaker 2: an Australian film or a musical. I didn't even know 335 00:15:23,544 --> 00:15:25,784 Speaker 2: what was happening. And now all I can think about 336 00:15:25,864 --> 00:15:27,744 Speaker 2: is I cannot wait to watch this for a minute 337 00:15:27,784 --> 00:15:28,024 Speaker 2: it comes. 338 00:15:28,184 --> 00:15:30,664 Speaker 1: That's what all the comments under the Instagram post like, well, 339 00:15:30,704 --> 00:15:32,224 Speaker 1: I saw her post it last night, and then all 340 00:15:32,224 --> 00:15:34,104 Speaker 1: of a sudden, all these comments started flooding in, with 341 00:15:34,144 --> 00:15:36,744 Speaker 1: people saying like thanking her for speaking up and saying 342 00:15:36,744 --> 00:15:38,264 Speaker 1: that she was doing good things, and so many people 343 00:15:38,424 --> 00:15:40,344 Speaker 1: being like I can't wait to see this movie now. 344 00:15:40,544 --> 00:15:42,464 Speaker 1: So obviously we don't know what's happened behind the scenes. 345 00:15:42,464 --> 00:15:44,944 Speaker 1: But I think what's interesting here is that as much 346 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:47,904 Speaker 1: as we see people on Rebel's own page, like her followers, 347 00:15:48,184 --> 00:15:50,304 Speaker 1: being really supportive and sending messages to out I'm going 348 00:15:50,344 --> 00:15:52,824 Speaker 1: to go see this film, there's another big chorus of 349 00:15:52,904 --> 00:15:55,184 Speaker 1: voices out there today because of this story's being picked 350 00:15:55,264 --> 00:15:57,584 Speaker 1: up worldwide. Every outlet's covering it. They're all posting about 351 00:15:57,584 --> 00:15:59,984 Speaker 1: it of people saying like, Oh, she's so difficult, she 352 00:16:00,024 --> 00:16:02,144 Speaker 1: has a problem with everyone she works with, she hates everyone. 353 00:16:02,184 --> 00:16:04,784 Speaker 1: She's all about public shaming, I mean, without being able 354 00:16:04,824 --> 00:16:06,064 Speaker 1: to get too the nuance of what happened in this 355 00:16:06,104 --> 00:16:08,624 Speaker 1: film because we weren't there. I do think that's quite true, 356 00:16:08,624 --> 00:16:11,824 Speaker 1: because they're obviously linking it to her memoir, Rebel Rising, 357 00:16:11,904 --> 00:16:14,464 Speaker 1: Coming Out and allegations that were in that book, but 358 00:16:14,504 --> 00:16:17,544 Speaker 1: particularly that whole Sasha Baron Cohen's story that blew up 359 00:16:17,624 --> 00:16:21,504 Speaker 1: so much, and her making allegations about him being inappropriate 360 00:16:21,504 --> 00:16:24,744 Speaker 1: on set and then him coming back with legal threats 361 00:16:24,744 --> 00:16:27,184 Speaker 1: against her, which ended up with the books and Australa. 362 00:16:27,224 --> 00:16:28,824 Speaker 1: Now if you open to the pages about him, it's 363 00:16:28,864 --> 00:16:31,704 Speaker 1: just black lines reducted. Even though we all read the 364 00:16:31,784 --> 00:16:33,984 Speaker 1: chapter in a different place, But I feel like that 365 00:16:34,104 --> 00:16:37,024 Speaker 1: shouldn't have any bearing on what's happened here, if anything. 366 00:16:37,064 --> 00:16:38,664 Speaker 1: Like she I think she acknowledges it in the back 367 00:16:38,704 --> 00:16:40,824 Speaker 1: of that video too, because she's like, you know me, 368 00:16:40,984 --> 00:16:42,864 Speaker 1: I will call this out. I won't stand for it. 369 00:16:43,144 --> 00:16:45,024 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, yeah, she said after the 370 00:16:45,064 --> 00:16:48,224 Speaker 1: Sasha Baron Cohen allegations, She's like, I will never put 371 00:16:48,264 --> 00:16:50,624 Speaker 1: myself in that situation again. I'll always call it out, 372 00:16:51,024 --> 00:16:52,784 Speaker 1: you know, I'll always call it as it's happening. 373 00:16:52,784 --> 00:16:54,384 Speaker 2: And she would always say like I never want to 374 00:16:54,424 --> 00:16:55,344 Speaker 2: work with ourselves again. 375 00:16:55,424 --> 00:16:57,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So she kind of made a public promise 376 00:16:57,424 --> 00:16:59,624 Speaker 1: to always call out a bad behavior in the moment 377 00:16:59,704 --> 00:17:01,664 Speaker 1: from her point of view, and that's exactly what she's 378 00:17:01,664 --> 00:17:04,504 Speaker 1: done here. So I was like, it shouldn't be a surprise. Yeah. 379 00:17:04,584 --> 00:17:06,824 Speaker 2: I think what's also really interesting is that we all 380 00:17:06,824 --> 00:17:09,144 Speaker 2: know that she also was a lawyer, so she knows 381 00:17:09,184 --> 00:17:12,744 Speaker 2: so much so everything she say, she knows how careful 382 00:17:12,784 --> 00:17:15,344 Speaker 2: to be. But this sounds like she's not been careful, 383 00:17:15,344 --> 00:17:16,944 Speaker 2: which makes me think that I feel like if more 384 00:17:16,984 --> 00:17:20,784 Speaker 2: celebrities also had law experience, we would get so many 385 00:17:20,824 --> 00:17:21,624 Speaker 2: more of them, Like. 386 00:17:21,904 --> 00:17:24,024 Speaker 1: Every celebrity has a law degree, they'd be out there 387 00:17:24,024 --> 00:17:25,384 Speaker 1: putting up video. Yeah, I don't think. 388 00:17:25,424 --> 00:17:27,304 Speaker 2: I think it should be like, if you're going to 389 00:17:27,344 --> 00:17:29,104 Speaker 2: be celebrity, you need a law degree because I want 390 00:17:29,144 --> 00:17:29,824 Speaker 2: to see more of this. 391 00:17:29,944 --> 00:17:32,384 Speaker 1: Well exactly, but I think what's much more dangerous for 392 00:17:32,424 --> 00:17:34,224 Speaker 1: her to say, and she must have some sort of 393 00:17:34,224 --> 00:17:36,144 Speaker 1: proof to able to put this out there into the world, 394 00:17:36,424 --> 00:17:38,904 Speaker 1: is not the blocking from the film festival, because that's 395 00:17:38,904 --> 00:17:41,584 Speaker 1: obviously a bad thing, but there's nothing illegal about that, 396 00:17:41,664 --> 00:17:43,864 Speaker 1: Like that could just be a creative differences behind the scenes. 397 00:17:44,184 --> 00:17:47,264 Speaker 1: Calling out people from embezzling from your movie and making 398 00:17:47,264 --> 00:17:50,184 Speaker 1: that level of allegation is a huge deal. And unless 399 00:17:50,024 --> 00:17:51,904 Speaker 1: she has to be confident, well, she must have something 400 00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:54,064 Speaker 1: to back it up, because to say that publicly what 401 00:17:54,104 --> 00:17:56,224 Speaker 1: they're saying, their statement is true, like if you can't 402 00:17:56,264 --> 00:17:59,024 Speaker 1: prove that, it's defamation and that could be a huge 403 00:17:59,064 --> 00:18:01,664 Speaker 1: amount of money. And also you know, legal repercussions behind 404 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:04,664 Speaker 1: the scenes. So she must feel pretty confident that she can, 405 00:18:04,824 --> 00:18:06,424 Speaker 1: you know, take this conversation further. 406 00:18:06,664 --> 00:18:08,464 Speaker 2: Oh my god, So do we think it's gonna be 407 00:18:08,624 --> 00:18:10,224 Speaker 2: a big court case? 408 00:18:10,664 --> 00:18:10,864 Speaker 3: Oh? 409 00:18:10,904 --> 00:18:12,384 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to sort of say what's going 410 00:18:12,464 --> 00:18:14,944 Speaker 1: to happen without knowing what's happened behind the scenes, But 411 00:18:15,024 --> 00:18:17,384 Speaker 1: I'd say that's probably going to be the messier side 412 00:18:17,384 --> 00:18:19,144 Speaker 1: of it. But the thing now is it's kind of 413 00:18:19,144 --> 00:18:21,464 Speaker 1: has set up the deb to have this story behind it. 414 00:18:21,544 --> 00:18:23,744 Speaker 1: So the hard thing now is that when she does 415 00:18:23,784 --> 00:18:25,904 Speaker 1: press for it, when she talks about it every premiere, 416 00:18:25,944 --> 00:18:28,304 Speaker 1: it's going to have this story attached to it. But 417 00:18:28,304 --> 00:18:30,504 Speaker 1: then people love to get behind an underdog film, especially 418 00:18:30,504 --> 00:18:33,464 Speaker 1: in Australian film, so she's really rally the troops in 419 00:18:33,464 --> 00:18:36,264 Speaker 1: that case, I mean, great promo, well exactly. So I 420 00:18:36,264 --> 00:18:38,144 Speaker 1: guess we'll just have to see if the deb premiere 421 00:18:38,224 --> 00:18:40,704 Speaker 1: is at the Toronto Film Festival or not. Will be there, 422 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:43,104 Speaker 1: if it will, tickets pleased, We'll be at the Toronto 423 00:18:43,144 --> 00:18:45,104 Speaker 1: Film Festival front Road for the deb. 424 00:18:45,104 --> 00:18:47,184 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 425 00:18:47,224 --> 00:18:49,624 Speaker 2: If you're wondering why Laura Bronik was up at twelve 426 00:18:49,624 --> 00:18:52,064 Speaker 2: at am watching that Rebel Wilson video, it was for 427 00:18:52,184 --> 00:18:55,904 Speaker 2: work because tomorrow we are doing a brutally honest review 428 00:18:55,944 --> 00:18:58,864 Speaker 2: on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. So I know it's a 429 00:18:58,904 --> 00:19:01,264 Speaker 2: short time, but we're giving you a few hours to 430 00:19:01,304 --> 00:19:03,904 Speaker 2: get around it. We are not holding back for this 431 00:19:03,944 --> 00:19:06,464 Speaker 2: one that will be in your podcast feed at three 432 00:19:06,504 --> 00:19:07,344 Speaker 2: pm tomorrow. 433 00:19:07,464 --> 00:19:13,704 Speaker 1: Bye bye Hella, Lolla, lollad