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Speaker 2: Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to just smile and accept everyone who

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Speaker 1: wants to say stuff to you, your mother in law,

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Speaker 1: your own mum, your nana, your dad, like, everyone's going

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Speaker 3: The Baby Bubble with Claire and Jesse Stevens. It's definitely

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Speaker 3: not a parenting advice podcast.

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Speaker 2: Claire, I thought I would confront you about a little

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Speaker 2: bit of tension that's existing in our relationship that we

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Speaker 2: haven't been able to get to because we've been busy

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Speaker 2: recording podcasts and whatnot. I found a gymnastics class not

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Speaker 2: this again, for the girls up the road, and I

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Speaker 2: keep trying to book you and Matilda into our class,

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Speaker 2: and you're being flaky. Why won't you let your eighteen

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Speaker 3: Jesse.

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Speaker 2: She can't crawl, she can sit, but she falls over.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know what she'd get out. Do you

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Speaker 3: Yeah? When she can move genuinely.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she can't move because she's not started her gymnastics yet.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a trampoline from the pictures. Honestly, I

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Speaker 2: Babies have some reflex where they like cling on to

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Speaker 2: Actually, she can put her feet in her mouth and

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Speaker 2: Our guest this week is Jordan Watson. Jordan how to Dad.

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Speaker 2: Watson is somebody that you will know from such viral

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Speaker 2: no way helpful. You might also know him from his

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel or his podcast The Parenting Hangover and Jordan

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Speaker 2: This episode is all about solo dadding, and I guess

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Speaker 3: And so for this interview, Jesse wasn't here.

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Speaker 2: I actually got to the pleasure of hanging out with

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Speaker 1: Who was in this CAFEH was the cafe based on

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Speaker 2: It was because it was because they had to like

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Speaker 1: I always had funny looks because look, I'm part Maori

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Speaker 2: People look at you like you're an inconvenience they're like,

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Speaker 2: I want to know when you're solo Dadding sometimes you

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Speaker 1: See that's my bone to pick with you. The other

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Speaker 2: Yes, and look, you've got a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: Not at that stuff. I'd be a bit intentionally shit

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Speaker 1: I've excellently put all the food and the kids here,

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Speaker 2: I really want to thank you for your time today

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Speaker 1: Hey, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: What's your ultimate solo parenting fail.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought I'd test fate and try to define naptime.

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Speaker 3: This was not my finest moment. But look, it was

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Speaker 2: So I just laid the cooler groceries around my sleeping

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Speaker 3: I'm calling that a win crab crap crap advice. I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I had a conflicting schedule issue when it

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Speaker 2: came to Jordan's interview. Luckily there are two of me

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Speaker 2: and you covered it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: But I would never let our listeners down by not

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Speaker 2: being here for our advice segment. Okay, Jesse, here's our dilemma. Hi, girls,

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Speaker 2: I thought I had a really social baby. He's always

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Speaker 2: been smiley, and he's happy to be held by anyone,

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Speaker 2: and he seems like an extra BT. But now he's

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Speaker 2: nine months and literally overnight, he's a different baby when

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Speaker 2: he's outside the house. We went to a family friend's

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Speaker 2: place the other night and he cried and winged the

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Speaker 2: entire time. He doesn't want to be held by anyone else,

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Speaker 2: and genuinely looked horrified at the situation he was in.

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Speaker 2: People had bought him presents and he stared at them

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Speaker 2: like they were morons.

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Speaker 3: What the hell? Who is this child? And what do

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: Firstly, discipline your child's being really rude, really really rude,

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Speaker 2: and that's not behavior that we accept in this family.

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Speaker 2: So you can just tell him that. And luckily, in

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Speaker 2: this situation, you've got us to tell us the truth,

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Speaker 2: because I think if you went to a pediatrician, if

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Speaker 2: you went to the internet, they'd lie.

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Speaker 3: And they'd say, oh, attachment.

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Speaker 2: Your child is a sociopathic, narcissisted psychopath is what I

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Speaker 2: am reading, who cannot be rehabilitated. And people don't want

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Speaker 2: to tell you that because it feels like a waste

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Speaker 2: of a baby. It is incredibly rude to ignore someone

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Speaker 2: who gave you a gift. So first thing you tell

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Speaker 2: him that ground him, because there has to be consequences.

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Speaker 2: Fair Actually, so I would say no phone for a week,

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Speaker 2: or like you can't see your friends. The problems there

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Speaker 2: are baby has no friends because they his baby, and

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Speaker 2: baby has no phone. And the hard thing is it's

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Speaker 2: like you're going to stay at home, and they're like,

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Speaker 2: home's my happy place, its laps. I only go home.

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Speaker 2: I only stay home. Interesting, Okay, I've got more ideas.

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Speaker 2: I think when he's crying and like having a bit

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Speaker 2: of a tantrum, you yell thank this lovely lady, because

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Speaker 2: it makes the lady feel really uncomfortable as well.

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, Also, if.

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Speaker 2: You have a husband or wife, a partner, whatever, it's

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Speaker 2: really important that when your baby is crying or refusing

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Speaker 2: to go to someone else or not saying thank you

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Speaker 2: for a gift, you say he learned this from his father,

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Speaker 2: and don't or mother yes, yes, and you just.

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Speaker 3: Go, oh, yeah, he takes after his mother.

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Speaker 2: Also screams in social situations yeah, and then just stare

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Speaker 2: at them and like, don't elaborate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would also say the other option is to specifically

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Speaker 2: blame the person who like look at them and be like,

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Speaker 2: what did you do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So you say something. You're at a family

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Speaker 2: event and someone goes to hold the baby and baby

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Speaker 2: loses it, and you look at the baby perplexed and say,

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Speaker 2: he's never done that before. He has a very strong

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Speaker 2: radar for which people are. And then you whisper this

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Speaker 2: last word safe. Okay, he say safe because you're not safe,

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Speaker 2: and then rush off with the baby. And when he

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Speaker 2: does it again to the next person, say he'll only

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Speaker 2: be held by safe people. And find a way to

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Speaker 2: blame the person for something really specific about them. So

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Speaker 2: the auntie goes to hold the family friend or whatever

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Speaker 2: and go, oh, that perfume is actually really offensive, or

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Speaker 2: say this is the other thing I think you need

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Speaker 2: to say. Right they go to hold him, or they

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Speaker 2: come close, and just look at them with a look

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Speaker 2: concern on your face and go like this, wait, you're

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Speaker 2: scaring him. You go, you're scaring him. Don't bring that energy.

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Speaker 2: You've scared him. And then just like look at a

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Speaker 2: feature on their face, like their nose or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and be like and then look at your baby and

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Speaker 2: go and say, don't worry.

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Speaker 3: The bad lady's gonna go away. Now exactly what do

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Speaker 3: you think? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So I firstly want to say, I mean this is parenting.

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Speaker 2: You think you figure something out about your baby, and

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Speaker 2: then your baby's like hmmm, no, yeah, so my baby

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Speaker 2: has always off the bath. Ah, just this week developed

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Speaker 2: fear of water. Ah. I knew that was coming because

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Speaker 2: Green had hers. She had hers where She's like, it's

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Speaker 2: a demon trying to eat me, and I'm like, you

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Speaker 2: love the bath. And then like a week later she's like, hmm,

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Speaker 2: this is amazing with your baby.

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Speaker 3: Everything is fine. He's just the king. Oh, you can't

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Speaker 3: take him places to visit people.

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Speaker 2: He needs to be at home, on his throne, on

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Speaker 2: his throne where people visit him and drop gifts gifts

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Speaker 2: his feet.

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Speaker 3: Ah, maybe kiss his.

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Speaker 2: Feet, yes and bow yes. I don't really see what

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Speaker 2: the problem is. He just needs a stuff and a

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Speaker 2: crown and he needs people to kneel when they see him,

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Speaker 2: and he'll probably need you sitting beside him, holding his

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Speaker 2: hand and just picking him up if he gets a

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Speaker 2: little bit out of thoughts. But for the most part,

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Speaker 2: what's on his throat? What should peop address him as

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Speaker 2: it's not to upset him. I was thinking, little sir, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: little sir, And you just need to understand. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: go to people. They come to him like the queen

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Speaker 2: or open yes, yes, And so he has like little

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Speaker 2: signs like, you know, the queen taps her handbag or

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Speaker 2: something used to leave. She used to tap her handbag

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Speaker 2: when she was like, guys, I'm done. So little sir,

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Speaker 2: he needs little signs where he you know, sticks his

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Speaker 2: tongue out and he's saying, mum, the company needs to leave.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I need, I need to retire to my cot. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think that what's happened is the power dynamic is confused,

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Speaker 2: and as long as people prostrate and worship, then I

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Speaker 2: think it'll be fine.

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Speaker 3: I agree, agree, And no one touches a queen it's inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: That is all we have time for. We hope you

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Speaker 2: enjoyed this episode of the Baby Bubble and didn't find

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Speaker 2: anything too.

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Speaker 3: Helpful before you take off.

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Speaker 2: We would love it if you could rate the show

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's actually a good point.

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Speaker 2: You're only allowed to share this as long as someone

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