1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,624 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,464 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,504 --> 00:00:29,704 Speaker 2: to the spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick. 5 00:00:29,864 --> 00:00:32,464 Speaker 1: I'm Kelly McCarron and I'm filling in for em for the. 6 00:00:32,344 --> 00:00:36,504 Speaker 3: Rest of the week Spillers because she's jetting. 7 00:00:36,184 --> 00:00:36,784 Speaker 1: Off to Perth. 8 00:00:36,944 --> 00:00:39,224 Speaker 2: I know she's fabulous. She's going on mare out loud 9 00:00:39,224 --> 00:00:41,904 Speaker 2: to her, she's dead to us, No, she's we love 10 00:00:41,944 --> 00:00:45,264 Speaker 2: that curl stuck with me. I'm spending nearly every night 11 00:00:45,304 --> 00:00:47,024 Speaker 2: this week with her going to events, so I feel 12 00:00:47,064 --> 00:00:49,064 Speaker 2: like I'm getting the full Emily Vertum fix even though 13 00:00:49,104 --> 00:00:51,784 Speaker 2: she's not in the pod. But she's in Perth at 14 00:00:51,784 --> 00:00:53,344 Speaker 2: the end of the week. She's flying out to Perth. 15 00:00:53,384 --> 00:00:54,904 Speaker 2: But we've got two other big premieres. 16 00:00:55,304 --> 00:00:58,864 Speaker 1: Actually, she's just doing prep and stuff ready, yes, yes. 17 00:00:58,784 --> 00:01:00,904 Speaker 2: But I will talk about those big premieres when we 18 00:01:00,904 --> 00:01:03,024 Speaker 2: do week. How much this week so a little tea. 19 00:01:03,104 --> 00:01:05,104 Speaker 2: It's going to be a big week. So coming up 20 00:01:05,144 --> 00:01:08,344 Speaker 2: on the show today, lots to chat about. One is 21 00:01:08,384 --> 00:01:12,024 Speaker 2: that there's a bit of a feud between two famous men. 22 00:01:12,064 --> 00:01:13,624 Speaker 2: Well it's not a few yet, but it can be 23 00:01:14,624 --> 00:01:17,544 Speaker 2: a few. Well, I mean I don't know yet, not yet. 24 00:01:17,584 --> 00:01:19,664 Speaker 2: I've seen some stuff a legal feud, if you will, 25 00:01:19,744 --> 00:01:22,584 Speaker 2: between Travis Kelcey and Ryan Reynolds. So we're going to 26 00:01:22,624 --> 00:01:26,704 Speaker 2: talk about that. Plus a video is going absolutely viral 27 00:01:26,784 --> 00:01:31,104 Speaker 2: of Chapel Road doing something potentially awful on a red carpet. 28 00:01:31,104 --> 00:01:33,344 Speaker 2: I don't know. I've watched this video from every single 29 00:01:33,424 --> 00:01:35,264 Speaker 2: angle and I have thoughts. So we're going to get 30 00:01:35,264 --> 00:01:35,624 Speaker 2: into that. 31 00:01:36,024 --> 00:01:39,264 Speaker 3: But first, So Jamala Chimil wrapped up her Australian tool 32 00:01:39,344 --> 00:01:41,184 Speaker 3: last night and if you don't know who that is, 33 00:01:41,224 --> 00:01:42,944 Speaker 3: and I have to say that, Laura, because I was 34 00:01:42,984 --> 00:01:44,904 Speaker 3: out on Friday with a big bunch of girls and 35 00:01:44,944 --> 00:01:46,344 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I'm so excited I'm 36 00:01:46,344 --> 00:01:47,344 Speaker 3: going on Saturday night. 37 00:01:47,704 --> 00:01:50,264 Speaker 1: And they all were like, who really? 38 00:01:50,544 --> 00:01:52,584 Speaker 2: Why? That's shocking to me. 39 00:01:52,784 --> 00:01:55,304 Speaker 3: I completely agree, but I feel like in our world 40 00:01:55,344 --> 00:01:55,944 Speaker 3: it's shocking. 41 00:01:56,144 --> 00:01:58,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, well, I don't know. I guess like 42 00:01:58,104 --> 00:02:00,184 Speaker 2: she was really famous in the UK for a very 43 00:02:00,184 --> 00:02:02,424 Speaker 2: long time. I didn't know her then. I only knew 44 00:02:02,464 --> 00:02:04,264 Speaker 2: her from the good place where she placed to Harney 45 00:02:04,344 --> 00:02:07,824 Speaker 2: because she is such a breakout character from that incredible 46 00:02:07,864 --> 00:02:11,224 Speaker 2: show if you haven't watched it, one of the best shows, Mala. 47 00:02:10,664 --> 00:02:13,824 Speaker 3: So Feel Good, It's incredible. But if you don't know 48 00:02:13,824 --> 00:02:17,544 Speaker 3: who that is. She is a self proclaimed feminist in progress, actor, 49 00:02:17,584 --> 00:02:21,304 Speaker 3: activist and presenter, so as I said, I actually went 50 00:02:21,344 --> 00:02:24,464 Speaker 3: to her show in Sydney on Saturday and our future 51 00:02:24,464 --> 00:02:30,064 Speaker 3: Prime Minister Hannah Ferguson facilitating conversation, and I loved it. 52 00:02:30,064 --> 00:02:33,784 Speaker 3: It was really warm, It was clever, funny, reflective and honest, 53 00:02:33,824 --> 00:02:36,504 Speaker 3: and I think every single person who went would have 54 00:02:36,584 --> 00:02:39,824 Speaker 3: left just really thinking a little bit differently about certain topics. 55 00:02:40,584 --> 00:02:43,904 Speaker 3: I love going to things like that because you get 56 00:02:43,944 --> 00:02:46,104 Speaker 3: to see you sort of get a feel for what 57 00:02:46,144 --> 00:02:49,664 Speaker 3: someone's actually like. And she was endearingly nervous, which I 58 00:02:49,744 --> 00:02:53,744 Speaker 3: found really surprising given she has been public, like had 59 00:02:53,784 --> 00:02:57,104 Speaker 3: a public job, of public profile for so long. But 60 00:02:57,264 --> 00:02:59,384 Speaker 3: you can still get in front of a thousand people, 61 00:02:59,424 --> 00:03:01,744 Speaker 3: have so many thousands of people the State theater holes 62 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:05,344 Speaker 3: get really nervous. Like she raced on stage with her handbag. 63 00:03:05,664 --> 00:03:08,424 Speaker 3: She forgot to leave her handbag out the back. That's 64 00:03:08,464 --> 00:03:10,224 Speaker 3: really cute, and well, I. 65 00:03:10,144 --> 00:03:11,464 Speaker 1: Was like, why she brought her handbag. 66 00:03:11,504 --> 00:03:13,104 Speaker 3: But then I saw her say something on Socials later 67 00:03:13,104 --> 00:03:14,864 Speaker 3: about that she was so nervous, so she just forgot 68 00:03:15,264 --> 00:03:16,664 Speaker 3: like a proper big handbag. 69 00:03:16,744 --> 00:03:17,264 Speaker 2: Wow. 70 00:03:17,624 --> 00:03:21,264 Speaker 3: She dropped the sea bomb within the first five ten minutes, 71 00:03:21,304 --> 00:03:25,064 Speaker 3: which we just love. She screamed at everyone to leave 72 00:03:25,104 --> 00:03:28,384 Speaker 3: our labbier alone and not to bleach your buttholes. Great 73 00:03:28,424 --> 00:03:29,304 Speaker 3: into stop buying shit. 74 00:03:29,704 --> 00:03:31,584 Speaker 2: She was on really good life advice on her. She 75 00:03:31,704 --> 00:03:32,984 Speaker 2: was just really really great. 76 00:03:32,984 --> 00:03:35,424 Speaker 3: And it was also so funny because at every single 77 00:03:35,464 --> 00:03:39,904 Speaker 3: show she had a different incredible feminist leader or speaker, 78 00:03:40,224 --> 00:03:44,584 Speaker 3: like hosting, facilitating conversation. So the second half was Q 79 00:03:44,704 --> 00:03:47,384 Speaker 3: and A. So Hannah was like they were coming through 80 00:03:47,384 --> 00:03:49,544 Speaker 3: on the iPad and she was reading them out and 81 00:03:49,744 --> 00:03:53,544 Speaker 3: just watching her get so trying to manage Jamilla, who's 82 00:03:53,544 --> 00:03:55,944 Speaker 3: obviously like that little bit nervous she's on. She reminded 83 00:03:55,944 --> 00:03:57,944 Speaker 3: me a lot of myself when someone's trying to manage 84 00:03:57,984 --> 00:04:00,664 Speaker 3: me and get me back on track. But then she 85 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:02,704 Speaker 3: just started being like, oh, and then just suck his 86 00:04:02,784 --> 00:04:05,864 Speaker 3: dick or whatever. Hannah Ferguson's just like, oh my god, 87 00:04:05,984 --> 00:04:09,024 Speaker 3: can you just stick to the topic of whatever it was. 88 00:04:09,304 --> 00:04:11,704 Speaker 3: It was just really funny and it was really nice 89 00:04:11,744 --> 00:04:14,704 Speaker 3: to I've never been to something like that that was 90 00:04:14,744 --> 00:04:18,224 Speaker 3: so big but still really just natural and off the cuff, 91 00:04:18,464 --> 00:04:21,304 Speaker 3: and you could see her thought process about different things 92 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:23,264 Speaker 3: happening in real time. 93 00:04:23,544 --> 00:04:24,944 Speaker 1: Which was really good. 94 00:04:25,304 --> 00:04:27,984 Speaker 3: And it was quite interesting because she spoke about so 95 00:04:27,984 --> 00:04:32,384 Speaker 3: many different topics like everything, beauty standards, men, raising children, 96 00:04:32,824 --> 00:04:35,424 Speaker 3: living with the big bunch of people, like so many 97 00:04:35,424 --> 00:04:38,984 Speaker 3: different things. But she did speak about calling out behavior 98 00:04:39,024 --> 00:04:41,144 Speaker 3: and that it doesn't really need to be aggressive, it's 99 00:04:41,184 --> 00:04:43,824 Speaker 3: okay to be challenged, do it with compassion, and that 100 00:04:43,864 --> 00:04:47,104 Speaker 3: people are allowed to make mistakes and it's not about 101 00:04:47,144 --> 00:04:51,584 Speaker 3: canceling but providing a platform for accountability and growth, which 102 00:04:51,904 --> 00:04:53,584 Speaker 3: was really interesting. 103 00:04:53,704 --> 00:04:54,904 Speaker 1: That she spoke about that. 104 00:04:55,144 --> 00:04:58,464 Speaker 3: And then straight away after last night's show, maybe it 105 00:04:58,544 --> 00:05:01,864 Speaker 3: was no it was the Sunday night show. This lady 106 00:05:01,864 --> 00:05:04,264 Speaker 3: who attended the Brisbane show actually jumped on TikTok and 107 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:06,064 Speaker 3: did a whole speech about how her and her friend 108 00:05:06,184 --> 00:05:09,704 Speaker 3: left halft way through the show because of Jimila's stance 109 00:05:09,744 --> 00:05:13,424 Speaker 3: on men and empathy and this person, I will say 110 00:05:13,464 --> 00:05:16,464 Speaker 3: she offered up her criticism in really respectful way that 111 00:05:16,944 --> 00:05:21,104 Speaker 3: I thought had the potential to open up a great conversation, 112 00:05:21,664 --> 00:05:24,424 Speaker 3: but the TikTok comment section is always just full of 113 00:05:24,424 --> 00:05:27,544 Speaker 3: people going, I don't like that person. Well that's fine, 114 00:05:27,704 --> 00:05:31,344 Speaker 3: but that's not actually offering anything that is helpful in 115 00:05:31,384 --> 00:05:34,424 Speaker 3: any way to the conversation. I also just really struggle 116 00:05:34,504 --> 00:05:37,544 Speaker 3: with someone coming out and saying that they just didn't 117 00:05:37,544 --> 00:05:39,104 Speaker 3: want to listen to the rest of the conversation so 118 00:05:39,144 --> 00:05:40,664 Speaker 3: they left. So what you spent one hundred and twenty 119 00:05:40,704 --> 00:05:43,144 Speaker 3: dollars decided didn't want to finish listening to what that 120 00:05:43,224 --> 00:05:45,784 Speaker 3: person said so left. It's okay that you don't agree 121 00:05:45,824 --> 00:05:48,504 Speaker 3: with people with every single thing that they say, but 122 00:05:48,544 --> 00:05:50,744 Speaker 3: if you respect that person enough to pay to listen 123 00:05:50,784 --> 00:05:53,664 Speaker 3: to them talk, listen to the rest of their bloody conversation. 124 00:05:53,904 --> 00:05:55,704 Speaker 3: I just thought it was really interesting given that she 125 00:05:56,344 --> 00:05:58,624 Speaker 3: spoke about that during the shows. 126 00:05:58,944 --> 00:06:01,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting because I didn't get to see her, 127 00:06:01,144 --> 00:06:03,584 Speaker 2: which I was disappointed at just because I find her 128 00:06:03,584 --> 00:06:05,784 Speaker 2: really fascinating and I followed everything that she said for 129 00:06:05,784 --> 00:06:07,544 Speaker 2: a really long time. But I was seeing all the 130 00:06:07,544 --> 00:06:10,264 Speaker 2: posting from the Sydneys to show of people like real 131 00:06:10,744 --> 00:06:12,984 Speaker 2: loving the content and did you see that she shared 132 00:06:13,024 --> 00:06:14,304 Speaker 2: your story? 133 00:06:14,424 --> 00:06:16,384 Speaker 3: Thank you for noticing, like, thanks for bringing it up 134 00:06:16,584 --> 00:06:19,864 Speaker 3: literally to millished it squealed like I was so excited. 135 00:06:19,864 --> 00:06:22,784 Speaker 3: I wanted to then DM it, but I was like, no, no, Kelly, don't, don't, don't. 136 00:06:22,944 --> 00:06:24,464 Speaker 2: It's just that I loved your handbag. You should bring 137 00:06:24,464 --> 00:06:26,024 Speaker 2: them on stage all the time. And then I was 138 00:06:26,064 --> 00:06:29,624 Speaker 2: watching the talk around the Brisbane show, which the majority 139 00:06:29,664 --> 00:06:31,344 Speaker 2: of people who went to that loved it, and I 140 00:06:31,384 --> 00:06:33,384 Speaker 2: saw all the socials from there. But I did find 141 00:06:33,424 --> 00:06:35,784 Speaker 2: it interesting that a few women and again only a 142 00:06:35,784 --> 00:06:37,344 Speaker 2: small number, but I think because they've put like a 143 00:06:37,384 --> 00:06:39,184 Speaker 2: lot of content out about it, it's kind of like 144 00:06:39,224 --> 00:06:41,304 Speaker 2: a lot of people have seen it circulating that they 145 00:06:41,304 --> 00:06:42,984 Speaker 2: didn't agree as you were saying, with some of the 146 00:06:42,984 --> 00:06:44,824 Speaker 2: ideas of what she was saying in terms of like 147 00:06:45,184 --> 00:06:47,264 Speaker 2: calling men in and saying that men have had really 148 00:06:47,264 --> 00:06:49,624 Speaker 2: difficult lives because they've had to and I'm paraphrasing here 149 00:06:49,664 --> 00:06:50,824 Speaker 2: what she said, because I'm sure it was a much 150 00:06:50,824 --> 00:06:53,864 Speaker 2: bigger conversation. Have had to build the world and go 151 00:06:53,904 --> 00:06:55,664 Speaker 2: through wars and all that sort of stuff, and they 152 00:06:55,664 --> 00:06:58,144 Speaker 2: need to kind of be like called in. But I 153 00:06:58,184 --> 00:07:00,144 Speaker 2: also thought it was like a very this is what 154 00:07:00,184 --> 00:07:01,704 Speaker 2: happens a lot of the time when a lot of 155 00:07:01,744 --> 00:07:04,584 Speaker 2: women get together to share big ideas, like they would disagree, 156 00:07:04,704 --> 00:07:07,264 Speaker 2: and like a few people did leave the show. 157 00:07:07,144 --> 00:07:09,344 Speaker 1: Just it's okay to disagree, but why are you leaving? 158 00:07:09,384 --> 00:07:10,064 Speaker 1: It's just silly. 159 00:07:10,464 --> 00:07:12,064 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's that side of it. But I also 160 00:07:12,064 --> 00:07:14,384 Speaker 2: think it was interesting that then the conversation didn't turn 161 00:07:14,464 --> 00:07:16,624 Speaker 2: nasty of people talking about why, Like a lot of 162 00:07:16,624 --> 00:07:19,104 Speaker 2: the people who left the show were just sharing like 163 00:07:19,144 --> 00:07:20,984 Speaker 2: their thoughts, like this is what I was thinking. And 164 00:07:21,544 --> 00:07:23,824 Speaker 2: I know Jamila always says cool people in don't like 165 00:07:23,904 --> 00:07:25,464 Speaker 2: call them out, So that's what I'm doing. And I 166 00:07:25,464 --> 00:07:27,344 Speaker 2: thought it was interesting that we could have this big 167 00:07:27,544 --> 00:07:30,184 Speaker 2: and then the comment threads across like multiple platforms are 168 00:07:30,184 --> 00:07:32,664 Speaker 2: full of people kind of arguing this idea of like 169 00:07:32,704 --> 00:07:35,104 Speaker 2: the intersection of like feminism and pop culture and all 170 00:07:35,104 --> 00:07:37,424 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. But it didn't descend into this 171 00:07:37,504 --> 00:07:40,544 Speaker 2: like nasty name calling that I saw. At least all of. 172 00:07:40,584 --> 00:07:43,064 Speaker 3: The comment sections that I saw were just useless, Like 173 00:07:43,144 --> 00:07:44,304 Speaker 3: it was offering. 174 00:07:43,984 --> 00:07:46,344 Speaker 2: That I think talking about this specific event of women 175 00:07:46,384 --> 00:07:48,584 Speaker 2: who were there, like the actual women, those women in 176 00:07:48,624 --> 00:07:50,384 Speaker 2: the room. Yes, we're having a ballad. 177 00:07:50,544 --> 00:07:53,344 Speaker 3: Yeah thoughts, because we're all allowed to have our own thoughts. 178 00:07:53,464 --> 00:07:55,464 Speaker 3: We shouldn't agree with everyone. That's weird if you disagree 179 00:07:55,504 --> 00:07:57,304 Speaker 3: with every single thing that everyone says. 180 00:07:57,584 --> 00:07:58,464 Speaker 1: So I completely agree. 181 00:07:58,504 --> 00:08:01,704 Speaker 3: And the way that they were holding the conversations and 182 00:08:01,744 --> 00:08:04,384 Speaker 3: sort of opening up even though it's one sided, Like 183 00:08:04,424 --> 00:08:05,824 Speaker 3: I thought that it was very respectful. 184 00:08:05,864 --> 00:08:07,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think it's going to show that like 185 00:08:07,264 --> 00:08:09,224 Speaker 2: once like a group of women can get together and 186 00:08:09,304 --> 00:08:11,664 Speaker 2: have like really different ideas without it turning nasty. 187 00:08:11,984 --> 00:08:14,664 Speaker 3: Kelly and yeah talking about things and just using it 188 00:08:14,704 --> 00:08:16,264 Speaker 3: for cloud on TikTok. 189 00:08:15,904 --> 00:08:17,384 Speaker 2: Well, anyway, I think a takeaway from that is like 190 00:08:17,424 --> 00:08:19,544 Speaker 2: watch the Good Place. That's a great show. And also 191 00:08:19,984 --> 00:08:22,984 Speaker 2: that's my takeaway. But also we interviewed Jamila and Jamil 192 00:08:23,144 --> 00:08:25,424 Speaker 2: for No Fils Take Kate Library you talk to her, 193 00:08:25,504 --> 00:08:27,784 Speaker 2: which is such a fascinating conversation, So I'll link that 194 00:08:27,824 --> 00:08:29,104 Speaker 2: in the show notes. If you want, one of the 195 00:08:29,104 --> 00:08:31,264 Speaker 2: people who didn't get to see her Australiantour, you can 196 00:08:31,304 --> 00:08:35,544 Speaker 2: kind of listen to all her thoughts on that podcast. Well, 197 00:08:35,584 --> 00:08:38,464 Speaker 2: something else that's unfolding over on the old TikTok app 198 00:08:38,784 --> 00:08:41,984 Speaker 2: is a video funny, yeah, a bit more, a bit 199 00:08:42,024 --> 00:08:44,744 Speaker 2: more intense. Is a video of Chapple Rode, who was 200 00:08:44,784 --> 00:08:49,344 Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty five Fashion Los Angeles Awards looking incredible, 201 00:08:49,344 --> 00:08:51,264 Speaker 2: which I actually think has been lost in this story 202 00:08:51,584 --> 00:08:54,104 Speaker 2: with this outfit. You know, her classic kind of almost 203 00:08:54,144 --> 00:08:59,704 Speaker 2: like medieval princess look with the big, huge, flowing sleeves, 204 00:08:59,704 --> 00:09:01,184 Speaker 2: and she's got a collar pulled up so you can 205 00:09:01,224 --> 00:09:04,464 Speaker 2: only see her eyes peeping out and her cascading red hair. 206 00:09:04,504 --> 00:09:06,944 Speaker 2: She looks incredible. So she was walking in the red 207 00:09:06,944 --> 00:09:09,104 Speaker 2: carpet the Fashion Awards, and of course there's a whole 208 00:09:09,184 --> 00:09:12,864 Speaker 2: pit of for topographers and videographers screaming her name to 209 00:09:12,864 --> 00:09:16,264 Speaker 2: get her photo. There's publicists rushing everywhere and moving all 210 00:09:16,304 --> 00:09:19,424 Speaker 2: the different stars along the red carpet. There's fans screaming. 211 00:09:19,464 --> 00:09:22,384 Speaker 2: There's a lot happening. But there's one particular video because 212 00:09:22,384 --> 00:09:24,304 Speaker 2: there's so many people with cameras that were shot from 213 00:09:24,304 --> 00:09:27,064 Speaker 2: about fifty different angles, that is going viral is a 214 00:09:27,144 --> 00:09:29,824 Speaker 2: video that looks like Chapel Road. She's walking down the 215 00:09:29,824 --> 00:09:32,464 Speaker 2: red carpet and then she comes across the pit of 216 00:09:32,504 --> 00:09:34,944 Speaker 2: photographers and it's almost like she's going to walk in 217 00:09:34,984 --> 00:09:36,824 Speaker 2: one direction, and someone says to her, like, oh it 218 00:09:36,904 --> 00:09:39,624 Speaker 2: to come over here. So she whips around and it 219 00:09:39,744 --> 00:09:43,544 Speaker 2: looks like she pushes her assistant, who is walking the 220 00:09:43,584 --> 00:09:45,544 Speaker 2: red carpet with her and kind of like dressed up 221 00:09:45,544 --> 00:09:47,464 Speaker 2: but in like assistant black to kind of like, you know, 222 00:09:47,544 --> 00:09:49,304 Speaker 2: bade into the background, which is what you're doing when 223 00:09:49,304 --> 00:09:51,744 Speaker 2: you're working one of those red carpets and it looks 224 00:09:51,784 --> 00:09:53,864 Speaker 2: like chapel if you watch it from a few angles. 225 00:09:53,904 --> 00:09:56,984 Speaker 2: Puts her hand up and pushes her away, and then 226 00:09:57,104 --> 00:10:00,944 Speaker 2: walks towards the photographers. And there's a very distinct look 227 00:10:00,944 --> 00:10:03,784 Speaker 2: on the assistant's face. I would say, like she kind 228 00:10:03,824 --> 00:10:05,984 Speaker 2: of looks a bit shocked, and then she does that 229 00:10:06,024 --> 00:10:08,904 Speaker 2: thing of like almost like an embarrassed huge smile or 230 00:10:08,944 --> 00:10:10,064 Speaker 2: like a grimace kind of thing. 231 00:10:10,544 --> 00:10:12,624 Speaker 3: She would have known that she pulled the face that 232 00:10:12,704 --> 00:10:13,984 Speaker 3: lots of cameras would have gotten, so she. 233 00:10:14,864 --> 00:10:16,184 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm smiling, I'm fine. 234 00:10:16,304 --> 00:10:17,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you watched I don't know if you've watched 235 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:19,944 Speaker 2: the fifty videos I've watched, but now you've watched them, 236 00:10:19,984 --> 00:10:20,944 Speaker 2: what was your vibe on this? 237 00:10:21,384 --> 00:10:23,664 Speaker 3: She definitely pushed her, but I think that it's being 238 00:10:23,904 --> 00:10:26,504 Speaker 3: blown out of proportion. Like I think it was just 239 00:10:26,544 --> 00:10:28,144 Speaker 3: one of those moments where you go, oh, fuck, I've 240 00:10:28,144 --> 00:10:30,024 Speaker 3: got to go this way. You move you sort of push. 241 00:10:30,224 --> 00:10:31,784 Speaker 3: It wasn't a push as well. It was just like 242 00:10:31,824 --> 00:10:32,584 Speaker 3: a move out of my mind. 243 00:10:32,584 --> 00:10:34,424 Speaker 2: And I've seen the slow mo video is where she 244 00:10:34,504 --> 00:10:36,024 Speaker 2: kind of puts her hand up and it's more like 245 00:10:36,024 --> 00:10:37,664 Speaker 2: a tap and push out of the way. 246 00:10:37,944 --> 00:10:38,184 Speaker 1: Yeah. 247 00:10:38,184 --> 00:10:40,264 Speaker 3: When I think of a push, I think maybe I'm 248 00:10:40,304 --> 00:10:41,264 Speaker 3: just a lot more aggressive. 249 00:10:41,464 --> 00:10:43,264 Speaker 1: When I think of a push, it's like it's a shove. 250 00:10:43,424 --> 00:10:45,184 Speaker 2: Like yeah, like that assistant would have been on the 251 00:10:45,184 --> 00:10:46,224 Speaker 2: floor if I'd pushed. 252 00:10:45,984 --> 00:10:49,784 Speaker 1: Her pretty much like or just like sort of gone backwards. 253 00:10:49,864 --> 00:10:52,224 Speaker 3: Ye, if I'd pushed, I think she simply moved her 254 00:10:52,224 --> 00:10:55,224 Speaker 3: out of the way physically, And I think looking back, 255 00:10:55,224 --> 00:10:56,904 Speaker 3: she would have gone, oh my god, you know, I'm 256 00:10:56,944 --> 00:10:59,144 Speaker 3: so sorry, babe, that was so inappropriate, Like I shouldn't 257 00:10:59,144 --> 00:11:00,864 Speaker 3: have pushed you like that out of the way. I'm 258 00:11:00,904 --> 00:11:03,704 Speaker 3: really sorry that I physically touched you, blah blah blah, 259 00:11:03,744 --> 00:11:05,904 Speaker 3: And the assistant would have gone, oh my god, so fine, 260 00:11:06,104 --> 00:11:08,264 Speaker 3: And because she would have known, like I pulled the face, 261 00:11:08,304 --> 00:11:10,144 Speaker 3: but as you would if someone barged you out of 262 00:11:10,184 --> 00:11:12,904 Speaker 3: the but like it's being blown out of proportion. It 263 00:11:12,944 --> 00:11:14,744 Speaker 3: was not like I just don't think it's this big 264 00:11:14,744 --> 00:11:16,864 Speaker 3: thing of oh she's I do think that she's a 265 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:18,824 Speaker 3: massive brat separate to. 266 00:11:18,784 --> 00:11:21,344 Speaker 2: This oh chapel, Yeah, oh yeah, tell us about that. 267 00:11:21,344 --> 00:11:21,944 Speaker 2: Why do you think that? 268 00:11:22,184 --> 00:11:25,104 Speaker 1: I just think she's an entitled little shit, and I do. 269 00:11:25,184 --> 00:11:27,064 Speaker 3: I think that she's a brat, and I think that 270 00:11:27,144 --> 00:11:30,024 Speaker 3: a lot of her behavior is exactly why so many 271 00:11:30,064 --> 00:11:34,064 Speaker 3: people have a problem working with the younger generation, because 272 00:11:34,064 --> 00:11:35,664 Speaker 3: they are just so entitled. 273 00:11:36,024 --> 00:11:38,224 Speaker 1: And I'm aware that I sound like a business saying that. 274 00:11:38,984 --> 00:11:41,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I do think that's why potentially 275 00:11:41,184 --> 00:11:42,944 Speaker 2: the video blew up so much. I mean, I think 276 00:11:43,024 --> 00:11:45,464 Speaker 2: one thing is that everyone's looking for these little viral 277 00:11:45,504 --> 00:11:46,904 Speaker 2: red carpet moments. 278 00:11:46,504 --> 00:11:49,064 Speaker 3: That they can then get their ten seconds of fame 279 00:11:49,064 --> 00:11:52,424 Speaker 3: off because on TikTok, like it's just been blown up, 280 00:11:52,624 --> 00:11:55,624 Speaker 3: as if I've never pushed past you to get something 281 00:11:56,024 --> 00:11:59,064 Speaker 3: or anyone Like, it's just I think that it's just 282 00:11:59,064 --> 00:12:00,744 Speaker 3: been blown up and it would have been so something 283 00:12:00,744 --> 00:12:02,264 Speaker 3: that they could have just been so fine. 284 00:12:02,464 --> 00:12:02,664 Speaker 1: Yeah. 285 00:12:02,664 --> 00:12:05,024 Speaker 2: I just think everyone's looking for these red carpet moments 286 00:12:05,064 --> 00:12:06,704 Speaker 2: because you know, that's how we have the lip readers 287 00:12:06,704 --> 00:12:08,984 Speaker 2: on stand by now, the body image experts, like they're 288 00:12:08,984 --> 00:12:11,064 Speaker 2: all out in force of red carpet, and I think 289 00:12:11,104 --> 00:12:12,784 Speaker 2: also a bit of it what you're saying is like 290 00:12:12,784 --> 00:12:15,904 Speaker 2: the build up of how Chapelmroon has been since she 291 00:12:15,984 --> 00:12:18,264 Speaker 2: really blew up. Obviously, I know she's been a musician 292 00:12:18,304 --> 00:12:20,664 Speaker 2: for over a decade and she'd been making music for 293 00:12:20,704 --> 00:12:22,864 Speaker 2: a long time, but really in the last two to 294 00:12:22,944 --> 00:12:25,904 Speaker 2: three years is when she's really blown up, and that 295 00:12:25,984 --> 00:12:29,384 Speaker 2: coincided with her having this really difficult relationship with fame 296 00:12:29,424 --> 00:12:31,824 Speaker 2: where I think a lot of people started to fall 297 00:12:31,824 --> 00:12:33,424 Speaker 2: in love with her music at the same time that 298 00:12:33,464 --> 00:12:35,504 Speaker 2: she was putting out those videos. Remember like saying to 299 00:12:35,544 --> 00:12:39,104 Speaker 2: fans like stop screaming at me, but also people were 300 00:12:39,104 --> 00:12:41,384 Speaker 2: like following her family like it got a stream. 301 00:12:41,784 --> 00:12:43,304 Speaker 1: And I think it's great to have boundaries. 302 00:12:43,384 --> 00:12:45,544 Speaker 3: But I do think that she behaves like a brat 303 00:12:45,584 --> 00:12:47,784 Speaker 3: in some ways, and I don't think that this has 304 00:12:47,824 --> 00:12:49,784 Speaker 3: anything to do with it, but I do think that 305 00:12:49,824 --> 00:12:52,384 Speaker 3: people are looking for any little thing of brat like 306 00:12:52,504 --> 00:12:56,784 Speaker 3: behavior to then push the narrative that she's awful and difficult, 307 00:12:56,944 --> 00:12:59,224 Speaker 3: when in reality, I think she's probably just a very 308 00:12:59,544 --> 00:13:03,024 Speaker 3: regular person that's in their early twenties that hasn't ever 309 00:13:03,064 --> 00:13:05,264 Speaker 3: worked for someone before, so they don't really know. 310 00:13:06,144 --> 00:13:09,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wondered to back when she was doing a 311 00:13:09,304 --> 00:13:12,064 Speaker 2: lot of the award shows. So it's last year where 312 00:13:12,304 --> 00:13:15,784 Speaker 2: she screamed a photographer to like fuck off because allegedly 313 00:13:15,864 --> 00:13:17,304 Speaker 2: he was screaming at her. I don't know. There was 314 00:13:17,304 --> 00:13:19,144 Speaker 2: a lot of back and forth rather that situation. But 315 00:13:19,184 --> 00:13:20,904 Speaker 2: the thing is, because all the camera's on her, so 316 00:13:20,984 --> 00:13:23,664 Speaker 2: you get the video of her screaming in or you 317 00:13:23,744 --> 00:13:26,184 Speaker 2: context yeah, or you get there's lots of videos of 318 00:13:26,224 --> 00:13:28,824 Speaker 2: her screaming at fans, and like people like Justin Bieber 319 00:13:28,824 --> 00:13:30,824 Speaker 2: have been pulled up for that recently and being told 320 00:13:30,824 --> 00:13:32,824 Speaker 2: they're awful. So people like, well, if we're holding him 321 00:13:32,864 --> 00:13:34,944 Speaker 2: to account, we should hold Tapple. It's a whole situation. 322 00:13:35,224 --> 00:13:36,944 Speaker 2: But I just think that like red carpets and a 323 00:13:36,984 --> 00:13:40,144 Speaker 2: ward shows in general are just such like a hotbed 324 00:13:40,184 --> 00:13:42,984 Speaker 2: of these moments where celebs can like step in the 325 00:13:42,984 --> 00:13:44,944 Speaker 2: wrong direction or like move their face in the wrong 326 00:13:44,984 --> 00:13:47,424 Speaker 2: direction and then it just become drunk. 327 00:13:47,704 --> 00:13:51,264 Speaker 1: They like slightly moved past someone and they shoved them like. 328 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:53,584 Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Metgala a few years ago, 329 00:13:53,704 --> 00:13:55,944 Speaker 2: and it's quite a funny video where Kendall Jenna's standing 330 00:13:55,984 --> 00:13:57,504 Speaker 2: on the red carpet the men Gala, like you know, 331 00:13:57,944 --> 00:13:59,904 Speaker 2: six months in the making for this moment for her 332 00:13:59,944 --> 00:14:02,024 Speaker 2: to be standing there in this dress and everything, and 333 00:14:02,104 --> 00:14:04,624 Speaker 2: a security guard steps near her and like, without even 334 00:14:04,704 --> 00:14:06,904 Speaker 2: like looking over at him, it's like her arm just 335 00:14:06,944 --> 00:14:09,704 Speaker 2: like floats up and she puts it on his chest 336 00:14:09,744 --> 00:14:12,904 Speaker 2: and just like touches him slightly back. Get out of 337 00:14:12,944 --> 00:14:15,184 Speaker 2: my land late, well exactly, he was in the way, 338 00:14:15,224 --> 00:14:17,264 Speaker 2: and like again everyone was just like, oh, she pushed 339 00:14:17,264 --> 00:14:18,744 Speaker 2: the security guard, and I was like, I'm really sure 340 00:14:18,784 --> 00:14:20,984 Speaker 2: she placed her hand on his chest and like moved 341 00:14:21,024 --> 00:14:21,664 Speaker 2: him forward. 342 00:14:21,624 --> 00:14:24,224 Speaker 3: Just like Sarah, please move. And also would you not 343 00:14:24,264 --> 00:14:26,064 Speaker 3: want to be moved out of the way? If you were, 344 00:14:26,344 --> 00:14:28,384 Speaker 3: of course it would be nicer to be asked, but 345 00:14:28,464 --> 00:14:29,584 Speaker 3: that's not always an option. 346 00:14:29,824 --> 00:14:32,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, look as someone who is often stumbling in the 347 00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:35,584 Speaker 2: background of red carpets because the things you are, because 348 00:14:35,624 --> 00:14:37,584 Speaker 2: I always go to these big events where there's heaps 349 00:14:37,624 --> 00:14:39,424 Speaker 2: of celebrities on the red carpet, so I see all 350 00:14:39,464 --> 00:14:41,904 Speaker 2: this happening. And also like, I guess it's glamorous if 351 00:14:41,944 --> 00:14:44,024 Speaker 2: you're the big star, but a lot of like big celebrities, 352 00:14:44,024 --> 00:14:45,864 Speaker 2: like you have to go to a holding area you 353 00:14:45,944 --> 00:14:47,584 Speaker 2: have to wait, like I always want it so funny 354 00:14:47,584 --> 00:14:50,384 Speaker 2: the Metgal, the hours dressing up and then they've got 355 00:14:50,584 --> 00:14:52,424 Speaker 2: like every celebrity, no matter who you are, has to 356 00:14:52,464 --> 00:14:54,504 Speaker 2: go to a holding area and wait in line for 357 00:14:54,544 --> 00:14:55,144 Speaker 2: over an hour. 358 00:14:55,184 --> 00:14:57,424 Speaker 1: Hours of people in a line are so funny. 359 00:14:57,424 --> 00:14:59,704 Speaker 3: It's like you have the world's most famous people just 360 00:14:59,864 --> 00:15:02,384 Speaker 3: yeah and going, ah, so would you have for dinner? 361 00:15:02,464 --> 00:15:03,744 Speaker 2: I know, and they all look so well and then 362 00:15:03,784 --> 00:15:05,544 Speaker 2: allowed to bring a lot of their like their normal 363 00:15:05,544 --> 00:15:07,624 Speaker 2: big entourage just down the red car, but at things 364 00:15:07,664 --> 00:15:09,624 Speaker 2: like the met Gal because the guest list is so tight. 365 00:15:09,664 --> 00:15:11,464 Speaker 2: So it's the only time also. 366 00:15:13,104 --> 00:15:15,784 Speaker 1: Or Instagram, yeah they're doing content, they might just take 367 00:15:15,784 --> 00:15:16,224 Speaker 1: one picture. 368 00:15:16,304 --> 00:15:18,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only time you see them roaming free. 369 00:15:18,544 --> 00:15:19,984 Speaker 2: That's why I think we get some of these like 370 00:15:20,024 --> 00:15:22,864 Speaker 2: funny little moments because they've been unleashed or they're being 371 00:15:22,864 --> 00:15:25,864 Speaker 2: like led down like cattle with so many people kind 372 00:15:25,864 --> 00:15:28,424 Speaker 2: of moving them around. So I do think it's more 373 00:15:28,464 --> 00:15:30,824 Speaker 2: so that we just get these like unfiltered moments because 374 00:15:30,824 --> 00:15:32,504 Speaker 2: every other time we see celebrities all of the time, 375 00:15:32,544 --> 00:15:34,984 Speaker 2: it's very much you know, very cultivated. 376 00:15:35,064 --> 00:15:38,304 Speaker 3: Yeah, momiating, Yeah perfect, But do you agree, do you 377 00:15:38,304 --> 00:15:40,224 Speaker 3: think she just definitely pushed her. 378 00:15:40,224 --> 00:15:41,304 Speaker 1: But it's not that big of video. 379 00:15:41,544 --> 00:15:44,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe again, it's such a quick video, 380 00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:46,344 Speaker 2: but I have watched it from every angle, just because 381 00:15:46,344 --> 00:15:48,624 Speaker 2: it's literally everywhere at the moment, and I think it 382 00:15:48,704 --> 00:15:50,584 Speaker 2: is about just really snowball. That's why it's like we'll 383 00:15:50,584 --> 00:15:52,624 Speaker 2: just jump in today, or we'll be the ones to 384 00:15:53,144 --> 00:15:56,464 Speaker 2: squash it and stop it from going any further. But idea, 385 00:15:56,504 --> 00:15:58,104 Speaker 2: I did think it was interesting, like the kind of 386 00:15:58,104 --> 00:16:01,224 Speaker 2: angle it does look like she whips around, bumps into 387 00:16:01,264 --> 00:16:03,224 Speaker 2: her and her assistant has like, oh shit, I'm in 388 00:16:03,224 --> 00:16:05,464 Speaker 2: the wrong place and kind of like jumps back, and 389 00:16:05,504 --> 00:16:07,224 Speaker 2: then everything just goes on as normal, and then you 390 00:16:07,264 --> 00:16:09,224 Speaker 2: have this one moment that's kind of blowing up. And 391 00:16:09,264 --> 00:16:11,344 Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't even think that Chubble will care. 392 00:16:11,984 --> 00:16:13,224 Speaker 2: Like I don't think she's gonna be one of those 393 00:16:13,264 --> 00:16:15,104 Speaker 2: people who's going to come out and like, ISSU a statement, 394 00:16:16,144 --> 00:16:16,544 Speaker 2: what are you. 395 00:16:16,504 --> 00:16:20,184 Speaker 1: Sorry for being a little bit stressed on the red carpet? Yah? 396 00:16:20,544 --> 00:16:23,144 Speaker 2: Exactly, but anyway, red carpet, And I'm saying that I. 397 00:16:22,944 --> 00:16:25,024 Speaker 1: Team her, even though I've just said I think she's 398 00:16:25,024 --> 00:16:27,784 Speaker 1: a brash. It's okay to be brother. She's a good singer. 399 00:16:27,664 --> 00:16:36,544 Speaker 4: Exactly alright, or Travis Trav Travis Kelcey has reportedly unfollowed 400 00:16:36,544 --> 00:16:39,984 Speaker 4: Bryan Reynolds on Instagram as the actor continues to flap 401 00:16:40,584 --> 00:16:43,944 Speaker 4: his messy legal dramas around that are swelling around his wife, 402 00:16:43,944 --> 00:16:44,584 Speaker 4: Blake Lively. 403 00:16:45,144 --> 00:16:46,784 Speaker 1: Reports have said. 404 00:16:46,544 --> 00:16:49,264 Speaker 3: He made the social media move to distance himself from 405 00:16:49,384 --> 00:16:53,424 Speaker 3: Ryan amid the negative publicity that they are sort of 406 00:16:53,464 --> 00:16:57,384 Speaker 3: all enduring anyone that's even slightly close to them as 407 00:16:57,424 --> 00:17:00,864 Speaker 3: a result of the lawsuit with Justin Baldoni stemming from 408 00:17:01,024 --> 00:17:03,704 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four film It Ends with Us and 409 00:17:03,784 --> 00:17:05,784 Speaker 3: subsequent sexual harassment claims. 410 00:17:06,184 --> 00:17:08,824 Speaker 2: Yes, so, Ryan Reynolds has been walking the red carpet 411 00:17:08,864 --> 00:17:10,704 Speaker 2: and last week also that football team that he I 412 00:17:10,704 --> 00:17:12,344 Speaker 2: was gonna say adopted maybe that's the wrong word, that 413 00:17:12,384 --> 00:17:14,984 Speaker 2: he bought and like kind of brought to glory has 414 00:17:15,064 --> 00:17:16,864 Speaker 2: like had a big victory this week. There's been lots 415 00:17:16,864 --> 00:17:19,904 Speaker 2: of heartwarming social media footage around of Ryan Reynolds. It 416 00:17:19,904 --> 00:17:21,624 Speaker 2: feels like it's out of one of those nineties kind 417 00:17:21,664 --> 00:17:23,984 Speaker 2: of sports movies. So he's actually writing a very positive 418 00:17:24,024 --> 00:17:26,144 Speaker 2: wave at the moment. And at the same time, Blake 419 00:17:26,184 --> 00:17:28,824 Speaker 2: Lively has been walking a lot of red carpets for 420 00:17:29,064 --> 00:17:31,784 Speaker 2: her new movie, Another Simple Favor, and Ryan's been with her. 421 00:17:31,904 --> 00:17:33,624 Speaker 2: It's so funny talking about as we were just saying 422 00:17:33,624 --> 00:17:36,584 Speaker 2: about like lip readers and body image experts. Oh my god, 423 00:17:37,024 --> 00:17:38,344 Speaker 2: did you see the one I'm talking about? 424 00:17:38,504 --> 00:17:40,424 Speaker 3: No, but just all of the ones that come out 425 00:17:40,464 --> 00:17:44,304 Speaker 3: about oh Blake Lovely and Anna Kendrick like, oh body image, 426 00:17:44,384 --> 00:17:48,584 Speaker 3: a body lip reading? Yeah, oh what's their body saying 427 00:17:48,624 --> 00:17:51,344 Speaker 3: about that? Oh my goodness, it's so funny. Actually, people 428 00:17:51,344 --> 00:17:54,544 Speaker 3: are literally just looking for cloud on TikTok. 429 00:17:54,744 --> 00:17:54,944 Speaker 4: Yeah. 430 00:17:54,984 --> 00:17:56,664 Speaker 2: I think those girls are actually doing fine. 431 00:17:56,704 --> 00:17:56,864 Speaker 4: No. 432 00:17:56,864 --> 00:18:00,104 Speaker 2: No, there's a body language expert who's given some interviews 433 00:18:00,104 --> 00:18:02,344 Speaker 2: today that are going everywhere saying that Blake was like 434 00:18:02,544 --> 00:18:05,544 Speaker 2: hypnotizing Ryan on the red carpet and controlling him. 435 00:18:05,664 --> 00:18:08,864 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that sounds exciting. She's got 436 00:18:08,864 --> 00:18:11,944 Speaker 1: great boobs. She's done, and so like, haven't we all 437 00:18:12,064 --> 00:18:12,384 Speaker 1: done that? 438 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:14,744 Speaker 2: That's the moment I was like, Oh, has the body 439 00:18:14,824 --> 00:18:17,824 Speaker 2: language gone too far? That that's well? Yeah. So the 440 00:18:17,904 --> 00:18:19,824 Speaker 2: other story that's kind of this week is that Travis 441 00:18:19,864 --> 00:18:21,984 Speaker 2: has unfollowed Ryan, and the thing about that is like 442 00:18:22,024 --> 00:18:24,984 Speaker 2: it seems like such a silly thing. But whenever celebrities 443 00:18:25,024 --> 00:18:26,984 Speaker 2: do it, they would have to be so aware, especially 444 00:18:27,104 --> 00:18:29,784 Speaker 2: those two boys, like they're in a social media game, 445 00:18:29,784 --> 00:18:31,784 Speaker 2: They're in the fame game, like they know what's up. 446 00:18:31,824 --> 00:18:34,184 Speaker 2: They're not you know, they're not doing that lightly. It's 447 00:18:34,224 --> 00:18:37,344 Speaker 2: such a big thing now to unfollow another celebrity because 448 00:18:37,464 --> 00:18:39,344 Speaker 2: it is such a statement. 449 00:18:39,064 --> 00:18:42,664 Speaker 1: The fact that it's obviously some people's jobs just to try. 450 00:18:42,704 --> 00:18:45,024 Speaker 2: Like programs that tell you when someone Ye. 451 00:18:45,224 --> 00:18:48,704 Speaker 3: I'm imagining an intern or like an assistant level person 452 00:18:48,784 --> 00:18:50,824 Speaker 3: just sitting at their desk all day, like checking who's 453 00:18:50,824 --> 00:18:51,824 Speaker 3: following different people. 454 00:18:51,944 --> 00:18:54,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently there's a lot. There's like programs you can get, 455 00:18:54,544 --> 00:18:56,824 Speaker 2: there's alerts you can get people on follow each other. 456 00:18:56,864 --> 00:18:58,464 Speaker 2: I got to figure that out because I would love 457 00:18:58,544 --> 00:19:00,344 Speaker 2: us to break and I'm following story. I alway seeing 458 00:19:00,344 --> 00:19:02,224 Speaker 2: other people post out and I'd. 459 00:19:02,064 --> 00:19:06,024 Speaker 3: Be like, I would be so embarrassed too, Yeah, because it's. 460 00:19:05,864 --> 00:19:08,384 Speaker 1: Like, why were you checking that, You're little weird, Well 461 00:19:08,584 --> 00:19:09,384 Speaker 1: have enough to do it. 462 00:19:09,504 --> 00:19:12,384 Speaker 2: I guess people were checking because these two famous couples 463 00:19:12,384 --> 00:19:14,864 Speaker 2: are so embrailed in this kind of story at the moment. 464 00:19:15,224 --> 00:19:19,304 Speaker 2: So the Blake Lively justin Baldoni lawsuit, which feels like 465 00:19:19,384 --> 00:19:21,344 Speaker 2: it went on forever and has now kind of faded 466 00:19:21,344 --> 00:19:24,064 Speaker 2: away because Blake Lively put out her last statements about it, 467 00:19:24,104 --> 00:19:27,144 Speaker 2: and then Justin Baldoni published an entire website which is 468 00:19:27,184 --> 00:19:29,264 Speaker 2: still live that you can go and look at you 469 00:19:30,024 --> 00:19:34,584 Speaker 2: I forgot about that. It's every video, it's every text message. Basically, 470 00:19:34,704 --> 00:19:37,664 Speaker 2: Justin put every single thing about the case on our website, 471 00:19:37,984 --> 00:19:40,064 Speaker 2: and that all happened, and then we haven't seen it 472 00:19:40,104 --> 00:19:41,464 Speaker 2: in the news lately. So I think a lot of 473 00:19:41,464 --> 00:19:43,744 Speaker 2: people may be like it's blown over, it's settled, but 474 00:19:43,744 --> 00:19:46,344 Speaker 2: we're actually nearly a year out from the actual court 475 00:19:46,424 --> 00:19:49,424 Speaker 2: date where the legal case is going to again. Again. 476 00:19:49,464 --> 00:19:51,264 Speaker 2: It's not like a TV show like where they like 477 00:19:51,304 --> 00:19:52,984 Speaker 2: you arrest the person, they're in court the next day, 478 00:19:53,024 --> 00:19:55,104 Speaker 2: like it's going to take over a year, and so 479 00:19:55,304 --> 00:19:58,264 Speaker 2: they're in the moment now where they're still like gathering 480 00:19:58,304 --> 00:20:00,944 Speaker 2: a lot of evidence, and Taylor Stiff's name has been 481 00:20:00,944 --> 00:20:02,984 Speaker 2: brought into that. So if you kind of don't remember 482 00:20:03,024 --> 00:20:05,864 Speaker 2: this crazy time when all those text messages were made 483 00:20:05,904 --> 00:20:09,504 Speaker 2: public between Justin and Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni was talking 484 00:20:09,544 --> 00:20:12,424 Speaker 2: about Taylor's being in Ryan and Blake's apartment when he 485 00:20:12,424 --> 00:20:14,584 Speaker 2: thought he was going over for dinner. This is his story, obviously, 486 00:20:14,664 --> 00:20:16,704 Speaker 2: don't know what happened. He thought he was going over 487 00:20:16,744 --> 00:20:19,824 Speaker 2: for dinner and when he got there, Ryan and Taylor, 488 00:20:19,864 --> 00:20:21,344 Speaker 2: like he's saying, they were like lying in wait for 489 00:20:21,464 --> 00:20:24,224 Speaker 2: him to kind of like help Blake ambush him and 490 00:20:24,304 --> 00:20:26,584 Speaker 2: say that her rewrites so better, her script was better, 491 00:20:26,584 --> 00:20:28,624 Speaker 2: and they had to use that. And then of course 492 00:20:28,624 --> 00:20:30,824 Speaker 2: there was the very famous text message that came after 493 00:20:30,864 --> 00:20:34,144 Speaker 2: where Blake was alluding to like the dragons and calling 494 00:20:34,144 --> 00:20:36,784 Speaker 2: herself CALLSI from Game of Thrones to remember that no, 495 00:20:36,904 --> 00:20:39,904 Speaker 2: and she you and I live in very different world. Yeah, 496 00:20:40,464 --> 00:20:41,744 Speaker 2: that was a big That was a big thing at 497 00:20:41,784 --> 00:20:42,024 Speaker 2: the time. 498 00:20:42,064 --> 00:20:43,984 Speaker 3: I just love that. That's even a thing that makes me. 499 00:20:44,224 --> 00:20:45,104 Speaker 3: I love celebrities. 500 00:20:45,464 --> 00:20:48,664 Speaker 2: Well they're so silly. Yeah, it aged kind of badly. 501 00:20:48,744 --> 00:20:50,744 Speaker 2: But what she was saying in the text message, if 502 00:20:50,784 --> 00:20:53,064 Speaker 2: it's real, which apparently it is, she was sort of 503 00:20:53,064 --> 00:20:55,384 Speaker 2: saying that she's the Kalisi. She fights for what she wants, 504 00:20:55,664 --> 00:20:57,824 Speaker 2: she gets what she wants, and she has these dragons 505 00:20:57,824 --> 00:21:01,144 Speaker 2: and it's Ryan and Taylor Swift, and she's like basically saying, like, 506 00:21:01,184 --> 00:21:03,424 Speaker 2: if you come into our circle, then they'll protect you 507 00:21:03,464 --> 00:21:05,544 Speaker 2: as well. If not, they'll destroy you, as the subtext. 508 00:21:05,904 --> 00:21:08,504 Speaker 2: And so Taylor Swift never commented on any of that, 509 00:21:08,664 --> 00:21:10,944 Speaker 2: even though, like when that big New York Times's article 510 00:21:11,024 --> 00:21:14,144 Speaker 2: came out with all the stuff around that Blake Lively 511 00:21:14,184 --> 00:21:16,904 Speaker 2: alleged should happen to her with sexual harassment on site, 512 00:21:16,944 --> 00:21:19,504 Speaker 2: a lot of her famous friends and her family put 513 00:21:19,544 --> 00:21:22,304 Speaker 2: out all these statements really siding with her and defending 514 00:21:22,344 --> 00:21:24,544 Speaker 2: her and being like the truths finally come out, and 515 00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:27,184 Speaker 2: people expected Taylor Sift to say something which she didn't, 516 00:21:27,224 --> 00:21:29,824 Speaker 2: which I can kind of understand putting her name into 517 00:21:29,824 --> 00:21:34,224 Speaker 2: that whole situation. And then Justin Baldoni's lawyer had said 518 00:21:34,264 --> 00:21:37,544 Speaker 2: that they probably wouldn't get Taylor Sift to testify, but 519 00:21:37,704 --> 00:21:40,024 Speaker 2: now they've changed their tune and saying like they'll potentially 520 00:21:40,104 --> 00:21:42,904 Speaker 2: will subpoena her and pull her into the court case. 521 00:21:43,184 --> 00:21:46,144 Speaker 2: She's so and yeah, I have to kind of be involved. 522 00:21:46,184 --> 00:21:48,144 Speaker 1: I'm trying to write some songs over here. 523 00:21:48,224 --> 00:21:50,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, although it could she. 524 00:21:50,064 --> 00:21:51,624 Speaker 1: Might write a great banger out of it. 525 00:21:51,784 --> 00:21:53,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, a Court Place album would do very well. 526 00:21:54,304 --> 00:21:56,784 Speaker 2: And so then the story has been recently that Blake 527 00:21:56,864 --> 00:21:58,944 Speaker 2: and Taylor are now on the Rocks, and they've been 528 00:21:59,024 --> 00:22:02,184 Speaker 2: like really close friends for over a decade. Taylor Sift 529 00:22:02,264 --> 00:22:06,064 Speaker 2: is the godmother to the majority of Blake Lively's four children. 530 00:22:06,104 --> 00:22:07,944 Speaker 2: I don't know about the last little boy, but has 531 00:22:08,024 --> 00:22:09,824 Speaker 2: like you know, said that they all call her aunt. 532 00:22:09,824 --> 00:22:13,904 Speaker 2: Taylor very close and Ryan and Blake were at multiple 533 00:22:13,944 --> 00:22:17,184 Speaker 2: of her eras tour with like their kids. When Taylor 534 00:22:17,264 --> 00:22:19,424 Speaker 2: Swift first went to watch Travis Kelsey play in the 535 00:22:19,424 --> 00:22:22,064 Speaker 2: Super Bowl when he won and they had that be killing. Yeah, 536 00:22:22,144 --> 00:22:23,704 Speaker 2: like Blake's with her and She's like, this is the 537 00:22:23,704 --> 00:22:25,104 Speaker 2: only time I leave my kids would be like to 538 00:22:25,104 --> 00:22:27,544 Speaker 2: support Taylor. They're like Pitture going to dinner in New 539 00:22:27,624 --> 00:22:30,304 Speaker 2: York multiple times, so they're like together all the time. 540 00:22:30,704 --> 00:22:33,464 Speaker 2: And then when this whole Justin Baldoni lawsuit blew up 541 00:22:33,504 --> 00:22:36,704 Speaker 2: with Blake Lively, we haven't seen them together since, so 542 00:22:36,744 --> 00:22:38,784 Speaker 2: that's why people think they're on the outs. And now 543 00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:42,624 Speaker 2: that Travis has unfollowed Ryan, it kind of looks like 544 00:22:42,704 --> 00:22:45,144 Speaker 2: he's really picking a side and the two famous couples 545 00:22:45,144 --> 00:22:51,304 Speaker 2: have split down the middle. Oh no, you're not shattered 546 00:22:51,304 --> 00:22:52,824 Speaker 2: by that. Your world's not shattered by that. 547 00:22:53,544 --> 00:22:57,104 Speaker 3: I know, shocking, Yeah, I think that they are probably 548 00:22:57,664 --> 00:23:00,424 Speaker 3: looking after this from a pr perspective and that they're 549 00:23:00,624 --> 00:23:02,864 Speaker 3: why do I say perspective like there's a purse involved 550 00:23:02,864 --> 00:23:06,584 Speaker 3: and never no, And I think that there's no way 551 00:23:06,664 --> 00:23:09,984 Speaker 3: that something so silly would blow up a friendship, Like it's. 552 00:23:09,824 --> 00:23:12,224 Speaker 2: Just if it is silly though, like obviously I don't know, 553 00:23:12,344 --> 00:23:14,784 Speaker 2: but I think like it is a really big court case, like, 554 00:23:14,864 --> 00:23:18,944 Speaker 2: yeah it is, but personal documents and messages could be 555 00:23:19,144 --> 00:23:19,864 Speaker 2: made public. 556 00:23:20,424 --> 00:23:22,584 Speaker 1: But if it's a whole prop her friend because. 557 00:23:22,304 --> 00:23:24,824 Speaker 2: Of her, yeah, I've never really bought into that side, 558 00:23:24,864 --> 00:23:25,184 Speaker 2: and then. 559 00:23:25,144 --> 00:23:28,024 Speaker 3: A chance, like I think that she's probably like I 560 00:23:28,144 --> 00:23:31,584 Speaker 3: just simply for my career, I just am bowing out. 561 00:23:31,464 --> 00:23:33,744 Speaker 2: Having to sort of step And I think that. 562 00:23:33,824 --> 00:23:37,184 Speaker 1: Ryan and Blake would just be like, yeah, that's fine whatever. 563 00:23:37,464 --> 00:23:37,664 Speaker 4: Yeah. 564 00:23:37,704 --> 00:23:39,824 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure obviously would be a huge public 565 00:23:39,864 --> 00:23:41,904 Speaker 2: turning point for them to have Taylor Swiff come out 566 00:23:41,944 --> 00:23:44,584 Speaker 2: and sort of be on their side and defend them. 567 00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:47,064 Speaker 2: But I think with what she's doing at the moment, 568 00:23:47,064 --> 00:23:49,544 Speaker 2: which looks like she's completely kind of stepping out of the spotlight, 569 00:23:49,744 --> 00:23:51,544 Speaker 2: you're either going to be in on out. You can't 570 00:23:51,544 --> 00:23:53,704 Speaker 2: sort of go back and forth. But what I just 571 00:23:53,744 --> 00:23:56,864 Speaker 2: do think is interesting is that this whole story around 572 00:23:56,904 --> 00:24:00,344 Speaker 2: a potential feud between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni before 573 00:24:00,384 --> 00:24:04,824 Speaker 2: the movie came out, all really started publicly because Ryan 574 00:24:04,864 --> 00:24:08,624 Speaker 2: Reynolds unfollowed Justin Baldoni on Instagram. So it's like we've 575 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:11,624 Speaker 2: always come full circle now with men with the men 576 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:14,864 Speaker 2: like unfollowing each other, and that's when people were like, hang. 577 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:18,424 Speaker 1: On and starts following Justin, then I'll be well, yeah, I. 578 00:24:18,344 --> 00:24:20,504 Speaker 2: Don't think seeing that, but I just think it's it's 579 00:24:20,544 --> 00:24:23,264 Speaker 2: interesting how this whole thing started with two famous men 580 00:24:23,344 --> 00:24:25,064 Speaker 2: kind of unfollowing each other. And if you look at 581 00:24:25,104 --> 00:24:25,704 Speaker 2: the can you. 582 00:24:25,744 --> 00:24:28,264 Speaker 3: Imagine any bloke in your life doing something like I'm 583 00:24:28,304 --> 00:24:29,184 Speaker 3: just gonna go and full. 584 00:24:29,064 --> 00:24:30,864 Speaker 2: Of unfollow them? I know, and again, when you're famous, 585 00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:33,504 Speaker 2: it's such a big thing. But when Justin Baldoni or 586 00:24:33,544 --> 00:24:37,064 Speaker 2: his documents were made public, that was the catalyst with 587 00:24:37,104 --> 00:24:39,344 Speaker 2: his PR team, who was also now being sued by 588 00:24:39,424 --> 00:24:42,224 Speaker 2: multiple people that he said on the wall, they were like, 589 00:24:42,504 --> 00:24:44,304 Speaker 2: do we pull the trigger or do we just maybe 590 00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:47,784 Speaker 2: this won't be public. But once Ryan unfollowed Justin, that's 591 00:24:47,784 --> 00:24:50,664 Speaker 2: when his PR team said, like, pull the trigger, put 592 00:24:50,704 --> 00:24:53,584 Speaker 2: the Blake Lively smear campaign into action that they're getting 593 00:24:53,584 --> 00:24:55,584 Speaker 2: sued over. Now, that was like the trigger for it all. 594 00:24:55,944 --> 00:24:57,304 Speaker 2: So yeah, when you look at it like that, it 595 00:24:57,384 --> 00:24:59,184 Speaker 2: is a big deal. So I guess we'll have to 596 00:24:59,184 --> 00:25:01,424 Speaker 2: see if Travis says anything on his podcast that he 597 00:25:01,464 --> 00:25:03,344 Speaker 2: records with his brother, because that's usually where he like 598 00:25:03,424 --> 00:25:05,704 Speaker 2: talks about all of these things. But apart from that, 599 00:25:05,744 --> 00:25:07,224 Speaker 2: we're still a year out from the court case, but 600 00:25:07,264 --> 00:25:09,064 Speaker 2: there'll be a lot of information coming out before that. 601 00:25:09,184 --> 00:25:11,824 Speaker 1: I've gotten all these really important details. 602 00:25:12,264 --> 00:25:14,544 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for listening to The Spill today, 603 00:25:14,584 --> 00:25:15,984 Speaker 2: And if you'd like a bit of a visual guy 604 00:25:16,064 --> 00:25:17,784 Speaker 2: to what we're talking on the podcast, if you want 605 00:25:17,824 --> 00:25:20,464 Speaker 2: to watch the Chapel roone video from every Accule and 606 00:25:20,624 --> 00:25:23,264 Speaker 2: just give us your thoughts. Did she try to push 607 00:25:23,264 --> 00:25:25,424 Speaker 2: her assistant to the ground or not. 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