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Speaker 3: Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to you Beauty the Daily Podcast for your Face.

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Speaker 3: I am Lee Campbell. I'm Kelly mccaren.

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Speaker 2: Kelly your eyelids. You have got a beautiful sky blue

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Speaker 3: Been having some fun in the car before record.

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Speaker 1: To get that, I've actually sourced it from my friend

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Speaker 1: Lee's wardrobe. Now listen, it's Monday. What do we do

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Speaker 1: on Monday? We answer your beauty questions.

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Speaker 2: Today we're going to debate whether or not the beauty

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Speaker 2: industry is bitchy. Oh, but first we need to share

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Speaker 2: some product predictions.

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Speaker 1: Sug Jess has asked, Hey, guys, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: everything that you do. I loved the episode a few

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Speaker 1: months ago where Lee talked about the Laroche Peze Mella

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Speaker 1: five serum and predicted it would go viral. What are

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Speaker 1: some other little known products that aren't viral but are

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Speaker 2: This question lit me up and blew me away, and

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Speaker 2: I thought, what an interesting question and a great question

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Speaker 2: to ask. So much of virality is what's new and

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Speaker 2: what's cool. And you know, since Instagram and in TikTok

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Speaker 2: best stuff is in very average packaging and is widely available,

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Speaker 2: and so it's really affordable. Yes, And so it's not

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Speaker 2: exciting in that it's like new and shiny and hard

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Speaker 3: But it's so so good.

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Speaker 1: And it's probably never going to go viral in the

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Speaker 1: same way that a lot of products do because it's

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Speaker 1: not exciting to look at, it's not in pretty packaging,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't do really cool things obviously.

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Speaker 2: Like I was thinking, oh, there are some like viral

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Speaker 2: French pharmacy products that are affordable and average packaging.

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Speaker 3: But it's because they're from overseas or I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just like these products I've got on my list

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Speaker 2: are quote unquote boring but so so good.

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Speaker 2: My first one is QV Face Hydrate and renew Serum.

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Speaker 3: It is full price.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at chemist to our House twenty one forty nine,

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Speaker 2: a fantastic brand, Aussie brand. It's under like the little

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Speaker 2: Ego banner so Ego. They do a whole bunch of products,

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Speaker 2: But it smells like buttament thoals Kelly. You don't think

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Speaker 1: It's funny because in my list I've put the QV nightcream,

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Speaker 2: It's just awesome, like it's anti aging and caring and delicious.

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Speaker 2: They've done a bunch of studies. It increases skin hydration

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Speaker 2: Aussie brand called Elucent. It's the anti aging I cream

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Speaker 1: Those products that people can't stop talking about in directtalk.

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Speaker 2: The last one is the Natio Infinite tubing mascara, which

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Speaker 2: So when this question came to here, I was like,

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Speaker 3: Of a scara.

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Speaker 1: My last one is the Elizabeth Arden Green Tea fragrance.

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Speaker 3: Kelly, You've been trying to make this go viral for

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Speaker 1: I mean, I want it to go viral because it's

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Speaker 2: That's why, you know what if they decanted it in

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Speaker 2: a Saltiginea boomboom cream, missed everyone fropping, Yes, that's it,

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Speaker 2: So don't judge a book by its cover or its price.

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Speaker 1: Neve has asked, what are some common misconceptions about the

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Speaker 2: It's interesting for me because I'm ancient and I've been

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Speaker 2: So it's changed so much, I guess, first and foremost,

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Speaker 2: Whereas fashion was a little bit more clique because you know,

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Speaker 2: And then I think also there's a misconception that content

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Speaker 1: There are so many paid partnerships. If Lee and I

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: So I think if you've built up credibility and god,

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to treat our own horns, but brands

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Speaker 2: all lots of time for so long. She's a genuine fan.

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Speaker 1: You makeup hacks?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to make you go first, because I want

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Speaker 1: I was finally catching up on some New Beauty episodes

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Speaker 2: So the elf Shadow Lock Eyelid Prime Eye is full

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Speaker 2: if you want, or if you're a nice shatter person,

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Speaker 2: Beauty Profilter Amplifying I primer, same stick, just kind of

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Speaker 2: Even if you don't wear any makeup, it will just

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, Lee, Thank you so much, Kelly.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Lee and Kelly. We will be

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Speaker 1: On Friday, but in the meantime you can find us

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Speaker 1: on Facebook.

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Speaker 3: You should definitely sign up for our newsletter.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic. And guess what if you liked that, We'll

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Speaker 2: see you on Friday. Bye bye

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