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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Tensions are high between nuclear armed

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Speaker 2: neighbors India and Pakistan after a series of retaliatory strikes. Plus,

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Speaker 2: as jury selection begins in Shawn diddy Combe's sex trafficking trial,

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Speaker 2: some major celebrity names have been drawn into the proceedings.

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, he is Claire Murphy with the

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Speaker 2: latest from the Quickie Newsroom for Thursday, May eighth.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor, the judge overseeing the case against disgraced music

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Speaker 1: Michael Sean Diddy Combs has hit out at a lawyer

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Speaker 1: associated with Diddy's defense team for comments made on a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Mark Garago's co host the Two Angry Men podcasts with

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Speaker 1: TMZ founder Harvey Levin. They recently had a conversation about

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Speaker 1: the case in which Garagos claimed that race may be

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Speaker 1: US District Judge Aaron Subramanian told Garago's in a private

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Speaker 1: meeting that that is something you shouldn't be saying as

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Speaker 1: an officer of the court and a member of the bar,

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Speaker 1: charges including racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking, and transportation to engage

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Speaker 1: Police managed to retrieve leftovers from the being at Aaron

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Speaker 1: Fifty year old Pattison facing three counts of murder and

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Speaker 1: Leon Gather's on care doctor Veronica Foot, will continue giving

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Speaker 1: Weber explained how he'd called police on Patterson after she

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Speaker 2: This week, India launched a deadly attack what it called

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so overnight, India of obviously conducted missile strikes against

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Speaker 2: Where does Iran fall in this story. What's the significance

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's too hard to call. With what's

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Speaker 2: How serious is the risk of further escalation? You said,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the escalations are obviously severe in comparison to

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Speaker 2: The other factor here to consider is that both India

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Speaker 3: it's not impossible either. So I think at this stage

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned that people like Donald Trump and other

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Speaker 2: Has Australia had anything to say about this? Do we

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Speaker 3: I mean Prime Minster Albanezi hasn't responded yet, not that

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Speaker 3: urging caution, encouraging both countries to de escalate. But also

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Speaker 2: The high profile trial of music mogul Sean Diddy Combs

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Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan, and even Austin Power staff Mike Myers,

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Speaker 2: though no context was given as to how these names

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Speaker 2: might be relevant. The fifty five year old music mogul

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Speaker 2: and weekend editor Rafaela Chicarelli has been following the trial. Rafaeler,

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Speaker 2: why are we hearing celebrity names in the courtroom? So?

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Speaker 4: On Monday, jurors were read and shown a list of

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Speaker 4: celebrity names that could appear in the upcoming trial. Now,

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Speaker 4: this is not a definite, but the rationale behind that

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Speaker 2: Which is so funny when and we'll get to it

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Speaker 2: in a second. The people who've been named, because some

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Speaker 2: the planet is going to know who they are, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And that's indeed what came out from Monday is

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Speaker 4: that only a handful of jurors hadn't heard of some

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Speaker 4: of these high profile names. So the judge has made

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Speaker 4: the call that it might be impossible to kind of

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Speaker 2: I was surprised that there was going to be a

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Speaker 2: jury at all for this case, to be honest, given

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Speaker 2: how high profile the person accused on trial did he is,

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Speaker 2: but also naturally how many other celebrity names would be

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Speaker 4: So already we know that Kanye West, controversial rapper, has

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Speaker 4: Myers of Bustin Power's notoriety.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some interesting names in there. Not that I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to connect the dots, not that I'm asking you

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Speaker 2: to either, but Michael B. Jordan was an interesting one

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Speaker 2: to me. Is there like a significant connection between him

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Look, so it is important to note that we don't

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Speaker 4: of that too. We do know that Michael B. Jordan

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Speaker 4: briefly dated Cassie Ventura in twenty fifteen, I think it was,

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Speaker 4: She dated Diddy and her testimony is going to be

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Speaker 4: very interesting to listen to.

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Speaker 2: RAPHAELA. Is the jury selection process for a case like

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm not an expert on the American system, but

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Speaker 4: what we do know so far is that the judge's

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Speaker 4: goal is to choose forty five potential jurors, and this

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to dismiss jurors without stating a reason. This

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Speaker 4: process is known as voidair please forgive my pronunciation, and

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Speaker 4: is a bid to seat a panel of twelve jurors

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's about a week of trial, just setting

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Speaker 2: the jury up. Yeah, how long do we think this

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Speaker 2: is going to go for? When are we actually going

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Speaker 2: to get to the good stuff, like the opening statements?

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Speaker 4: I think that is all expected to kick off from

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Speaker 4: next week. And estimates as to the trafficking case is

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Speaker 4: that it is expected to last for up to two months,

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Speaker 4: so maybe eight weeks.

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Speaker 2: All right, we might have to get you back in

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Speaker 2: here's the trial progresses. Then, Thank you so much, no worries,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylorstrano and

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