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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: From Muma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 2: culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cascenula Kitsch and

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Speaker 2: coming up on the show today, Rebel Wilson has given

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Speaker 2: a bit of a tell all interview to sixty Minutes

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Speaker 2: about the behind the scenes of her movie The deb

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Speaker 2: which has been embroiled in many legal cases over the

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Speaker 2: last year. We're going to get into the backstory of that,

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Speaker 2: what she has said, the allegations, what the producers and

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Speaker 2: the lead actress have alleged against her, and just go

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Speaker 2: through everything. We're not at this point in time because

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Speaker 2: a lot of new information has come out, but first

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Speaker 2: something that people will either be delighted by or horrified by.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it looks like the critics were wrong.

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Speaker 1: All's Fair has been renewed for season two on Hulu,

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Speaker 1: and I don't.

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Speaker 3: Really know how to feel about this.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the critics were wrong. I think everyone

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Speaker 2: is it cross what's happening? Like it's a terrible show

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Speaker 2: and everyone's watching it, So that's why they've renewed it, right.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it wouldn't get renewed if the numbers

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Speaker 1: weren't up there. What's interesting to me though, is a

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Speaker 1: lot of the criticism around it was that Kim's performance

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Speaker 1: was really really terrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why I think that's in dispute too bad. I

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Speaker 2: love that woman pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: But it's amazing to me how the entire cast have

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Speaker 1: all come together to defend her, Like all these really

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Speaker 1: really high profile actors have come in and really like

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Speaker 1: out batting for her.

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Speaker 2: They came into this with a really clear goal that

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Speaker 2: they were going to make this kind of spectacle television

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Speaker 2: that was all about like the looks and the moments

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Speaker 2: and the one liners, like we were saying, like it's

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Speaker 2: almost been tailored for TikTok, which is like TikTok Instagram

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Speaker 2: is where this show is also really growing because everyone's

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Speaker 2: meming it, everyone's doing the sounds to it. So it

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Speaker 2: really has that viral life that I think they were

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Speaker 2: gunning for behind the scenes. And it also has that

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Speaker 2: thing like they're still doing interviews together at the Word

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Speaker 2: and the cast where see this whole thing of like

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Speaker 2: sisterhood and unity, which was this huge thing that all

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Speaker 2: these A list actresses had kind of pushed from the

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Speaker 2: get go that this was going to be the theme

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Speaker 2: of the movie that on screen their characters would say

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Speaker 2: the most vile, horrific things to each other, but behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes they would only ever say positive things about

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Speaker 2: each other. And it's a tactic that's really work.

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Speaker 1: It has, but they seem to really genuinely just be

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Speaker 1: very supportive of her. I was looking so Glen Collose.

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Speaker 1: One of these things that she said about Kim was like,

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Speaker 1: she had no pretensions that she was a great actress,

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Speaker 1: but she was smart enough to have people around her

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Speaker 1: who she could learn from. And then Naomi said, a

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Speaker 1: businesswoman taking a huge, great leap into acting a new arena,

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Speaker 1: and I'm apologetically So it's almost like a participation medal. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's what it feels like. They're like, we really love her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she may not have been great, but she's trying.

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Speaker 2: I don't think even they can come out and say

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Speaker 2: And I don't even thin. Kim Kardashin is saying that

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Speaker 2: her whole thing is like, look at the work I

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Speaker 2: so much like look at how great my performance is.

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Speaker 2: But also the show kind of I don't know, Like

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Speaker 2: I'm watching the show each week and I'm quite liking it.

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Speaker 3: Has it gotten better?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Episode three?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Because this is one of the things that Glenn

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Speaker 3: Close also said. She was saying that she's like, it's

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Speaker 1: Yet she literally says that she's like, oh, the first

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Speaker 1: three episodes were not very good. They shouldn't have led

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Speaker 1: with that. But I've seen all nine and it does

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Speaker 1: get better. Then I was like, Okay, is this just

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Speaker 1: was like comparing it to the Wire.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people in the room would have just

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Speaker 2: just be quiet. Don't compare it to the wire. That's

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Speaker 2: really the worst thing you could do. So The Why

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Speaker 2: a viewer, but that's not the same as all's fair

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Speaker 2: you put zero work in as a viewer.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know how to.

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Speaker 1: Feel about it, because obviously it has its place on television.

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Speaker 3: People like it. Comments are like, yes, this is amazing,

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Speaker 1: But then I'm also like, these really lauded actors seem

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Speaker 1: to really love Kim and it's kind of sweet. I

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Speaker 1: kind of like seeing them all like at sleepovers in skims, yeah, pajamas.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I kind of like that part of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the real test for this show whether

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Speaker 2: I mean, they don't release like full figures every week,

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Speaker 2: to see. I'm sure that the conversations they're having now

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Speaker 2: is like what other big pop culture moments can we

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Speaker 2: or which other like famous actresses or people from pop

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Speaker 2: culture can we come in to do these wild guest

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Speaker 2: appearances And what other crazy things can Kim wear like

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Speaker 2: that because there are some good performances in it. I

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Speaker 2: know Sarah Paulson's been ripped apart, but she's not good

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Speaker 2: in like the screechy scenes, But the quiet scenes with

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Speaker 2: her character Carrington, she's quite good. Naomi What's It's kind

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Speaker 2: of interesting that she's in so many solo scenes, And

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Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons for that might be

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Speaker 2: this year. So I kind of love this moment in

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Speaker 2: those two things are kind of lifting each other up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was wondering that. I was like, is this

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Speaker 1: You know, It's like they can be really terrible in

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Speaker 1: maybe next year we'll get Kim Kardashian winning an Oscar.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even comment on that she really

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Speaker 2: So she definitely has the money to buy it. But

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Speaker 2: are more to do with the traditional sides of like

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Speaker 2: a show that's nominated for awards. You have to sort

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Speaker 2: I actually think, and I know this is a controversial take.

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Speaker 2: I always think that Kim didn't have to attach her

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Speaker 2: twenty years. I actually thought that we should have just

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Speaker 3: There are some really weird ones on there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the rules were a lot looser

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Speaker 2: It'll always pay for it.

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Speaker 3: It always makes me laugh that they actually have to

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Speaker 2: Know that, Like, yeah, that you have to apply jump

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Speaker 2: That's why people don't just get a star willy nilly.

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Speaker 2: If you watch like kind of like the timeline, actors

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Speaker 2: pays for it for them because it's such good press

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Speaker 2: and it's a big thing during like the pre Oscar

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Speaker 2: more legit. So I actually think that Kim Kardashian will

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Speaker 2: be happy with a star than an Oscar, but we'll see. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited All Fair is coming out for a season two.

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Speaker 2: I I'm so glad to shopping weekly as well. I

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Speaker 2: could only watch one episode it's so terrible. Yeah, one

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Speaker 2: week and I go, wow, that happened, and then I

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Speaker 2: give myself a week like Cresty, do you.

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Speaker 1: Do a rewatch of because I know you like to

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Speaker 1: watch certain episodes. Actually, everything you watch.

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Speaker 2: You always watch the multiple times. Yeah, yeah, just so

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Speaker 2: I can really well for work as well and sometimes

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Speaker 2: for comfort watching.

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Speaker 1: I think you need to stop using that excuse because

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Speaker 2: I mean, as it's cut watching, I need to watch

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Speaker 2: it twice for my soul. If it's work, I need

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Speaker 2: to watch it twice for my brain. No, All's Fair,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching. I mean, look, we're definitely going to do

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Speaker 2: The film did end up premiere at the Toronto Film Festival,

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Speaker 2: so that was the outcome of that. And then the

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Speaker 2: next allegation that they move into in this interview, which

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Speaker 2: is quite a big one, are these websites that were

439
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Speaker 2: created about Amanda Ghost, who is one of the prominent

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Speaker 2: producers in this story.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so in August of twenty twenty four those websites

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Speaker 1: had popped up that were directly targeting Amanda Ghost and

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Speaker 1: comparing her to quote a Indian Gallaine Maxwell. There is

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Speaker 1: an allegation that has been made by the producers that

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Speaker 1: Rebel Wilson was behind creating these websites.

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Speaker 3: Rebel has denied that.

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Speaker 1: She does talk to Tara Brown in the interview about

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Speaker 1: this party allegation, and Tara kind of calls her out

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Speaker 1: a little bit and reads back some text messages between

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Speaker 1: her and her publicist.

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Speaker 2: And to the allegations, Wilson says that she has zero

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Speaker 2: to do with the websites. She said, I don't even

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Speaker 2: know how to create a website. I had nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with it. The allegation in here is that a

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Speaker 2: publicist said so basically Rebel wants one of those sites,

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Speaker 2: and it can be really harsh to that. In this interview,

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Speaker 2: Rebel Wilson says, on the record, it wasn't my publicist.

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Speaker 2: It was a woman who worked for my lawyer at

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Speaker 2: the time. And Tara asked her again, did you and

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Speaker 2: your lawyer do this? And Rebel says no, no, definitely not,

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Speaker 2: to which Tara Brown says, so why is your name

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Speaker 2: linked to it? And this is where Rebel says, I

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Speaker 2: have no idea. I don't know where those texts are real.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where they came from. I read the websites.

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Speaker 2: I think it was very interesting what was on there,

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Speaker 2: and I might have gossiped about it to a couple

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Speaker 2: of friends. And that's where that part of the conversation ends.

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Speaker 1: Things kind of settled down for a little bit towards

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Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty four and picked back up

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five during Can. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that has really come out is Rebel Wilson is alleging

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Speaker 1: that Charlotte mckinner's is denying these sexual assault allegations because

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Speaker 1: she would like.

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Speaker 3: To further her career.

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Speaker 1: This first came out in May twenty twenty five during Can,

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Speaker 1: when Charlotte was on a yacht and Rebel Wilson found

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Speaker 1: out and replied on Instagram saying Charlotte mckinner's in a

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Speaker 1: culturally inappropriate Indian outfit on Len Blavatnik's luxury yacht in

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Speaker 1: Cans ironically singing a song from a movie that will

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Speaker 1: never get released because of her lies and support for

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Speaker 1: the people blocking the film's release. After this particular moment

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Speaker 1: is when Charlotte mckinner's files her defamation lawsuit against Rebel Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's this important context again just for the

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Speaker 2: more information that we've been given in this sixty minutes

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Speaker 2: interview with Rebel Wilson, because in that Tara brings this

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Speaker 2: idea to her and brings up the allegations, which again

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Speaker 2: are already on the public record, and asks her about

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Speaker 2: the first complaint that Charlotte made to her, where Rebel

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Speaker 2: Wilson alleges that she made a complaint that she says

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Speaker 2: was sexual misconduct, and she says to her, like, are

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Speaker 2: you sure that's what happens. So it's this chance for

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Speaker 2: Rebel Wilson to reiterate what she said in the original lawsuits,

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Speaker 2: which she does go on the record once again and

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Speaker 2: say yes, like that is what happened, That's what I inferred.

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Speaker 2: I was in a position where I had to report

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Speaker 2: it and follow it through. And then they kind of

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Speaker 2: get into a bit more of a conversation about where

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Speaker 2: the relationship lies with Charlotte and the producers. Now now

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Speaker 2: that the deb is sort of like that movie has

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Speaker 2: been filmed and it's coming out in cinemas in January

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Speaker 2: and Australia, and Rebel Wilson basically says that it's quite

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Speaker 2: interesting that the only projects that Charlotte has worked on

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Speaker 2: since the deb wrapped are projects that have been overseen

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Speaker 2: by these producers.

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Speaker 4: But Rebel believes Charlotte mckinness has been convinced to change

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Speaker 4: her story and was happy to share with her eleven

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Speaker 4: million Instagram followers perview the young actor and singer lied

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Speaker 4: to further her career, an allegation for which Charlotte is

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Speaker 4: now suing.

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Speaker 3: Rebel.

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Speaker 4: You go a step further, though, don't you like you

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Speaker 4: believe she's paid off?

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Speaker 1: Ah the role?

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Speaker 5: I do think it's undeniable. I believe her only work

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Speaker 5: since filming The Dead was a role in a stage

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Speaker 5: show that Amanda Goes produced. Despite Oscar and Tony nominee

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Speaker 5: performers auditioning for the role, gets given to an unknown Australian.

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Speaker 4: You don't think she's talented. You don't think that, oh

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Speaker 4: it'll see.

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Speaker 5: Oh No, I think she's talented, which is why I

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Speaker 5: cast her in the movie. And you know and think

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Speaker 5: she did an amazing job in the movie. But I

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Speaker 5: guess it's undeniable. The benefits she has received since finishing

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Speaker 5: filming the film. I mean, I have a lot of

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Speaker 5: sympathy for her, and I want to make it very

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Speaker 5: clear that when I first spoke about this publicly, I

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Speaker 5: didn't identify her. She chose to make statements and identify

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Speaker 5: herself as the actress involved. And I've been very elegant

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Speaker 5: in being silent. And this is the first time I'm

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Speaker 5: speaking about it. It's over two years later. So sometimes,

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Speaker 5: of course, I guess I'm human and you get up

532
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Speaker 5: upset by the situation.

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Speaker 1: This is also kind of tied up with a writing

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Speaker 1: credit on the movie. Now, the producers are alleging that

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Speaker 1: the reason that Rebel Wilson is getting quite upset about

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Speaker 1: these things or doubling down, is because she was not

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Speaker 1: granted a sole writing credit for the movie. That credit

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Speaker 1: was awarded to Hannah Riley, who wrote this original stage

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Speaker 1: production and the screenplay for the movie. So Hannah spoke

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Speaker 1: with Variety earlier this year, and this is what she said.

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Speaker 1: What followed the Australian Writers Guild ruling has been a

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Speaker 1: series of personal tax and false accusations, most recently targeting Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: who I cast in the original stage production. She's a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal talent and a consummate professional who deserves to be

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Speaker 1: celebrated and not dragged into chaos. I've been very reluctant

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Speaker 1: to speak publicly, but I just want the hostility to

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Speaker 1: stop so we can.

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Speaker 3: All move forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think in this context of us doing

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Speaker 2: like a bit of a fuller kind of episode, really

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Speaker 2: diving into this, it's really important to have Hannah's voice

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Speaker 2: in there and what she's said on the record.

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Speaker 3: We should say that.

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Speaker 2: The sixty minutes interview ends with the team saying that

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Speaker 2: they did approach the three producers named in the lawsuit

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Speaker 2: and Charlotte to comment and give their sart of the

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Speaker 2: story in this case to the allegations that Rebel Wilson

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Speaker 2: is making, but they all replied saying they didn't think

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Speaker 2: it was appropriate to comment given that it's an ongoing lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: And so that's the thing. I mean, this still has

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Speaker 2: to go through many different illegal proceedings until we hear

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Speaker 2: publicly any of the outcome, any of the decisions that

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Speaker 2: are made around it. At this stage, just to reiterate,

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Speaker 2: it is all allegations and we're not saying what's real

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Speaker 2: or what's not. We're just saying what is in the

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Speaker 2: public domain because I think it's important to talk about

567
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Speaker 2: this because this is a huge thing in the Australian

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Speaker 2: film industry. In the austrain film industry gives a huge

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Speaker 2: amount of jobs to people, It's a huge part of

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Speaker 2: revenue in Australia. A lot of people like their careers

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Speaker 2: are tied up in it. So I think when something

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Speaker 2: like this is happening, it's just really important for people

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00:27:37,914 --> 00:27:40,073
Speaker 2: to be across it. And so that is the new

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Speaker 2: information that we have this week. We don't know when

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Speaker 2: there will be an outcome of the lawsuits around this,

576
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Speaker 2: but we do know that the deb is going to

577
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Speaker 2: be in cinemas in austral in January, so people will

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Speaker 2: be able to go see this movie. It's interesting that

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Speaker 2: they had a reporter from the Hollywood Reporter who's been

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Speaker 2: really following this case in this sixty minutes interview, who

581
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Speaker 2: said that there have been a few issues with distribution

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Speaker 2: in other countries in like the North American market because

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00:28:03,834 --> 00:28:06,074
Speaker 2: of the ownership rights and lawsuit around that. So I

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Speaker 2: think that will also be a going conversation. But that's

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Speaker 2: where we stand now and we know that the movie

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Speaker 2: will be in cinemas in January for those who would

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Speaker 2: like to see it.

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Speaker 1: And all I will say is that it really is

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Speaker 1: a remarkable musical. So whatever you think about whatever has

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Speaker 1: happened with these different lawsuits and things like that, I

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Speaker 1: really would encourage you to go see it because Hannah

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00:28:26,874 --> 00:28:29,554
Speaker 1: is incredibly talented. I might be a little bit biased,

593
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Speaker 1: but incredibly talented. The story is amazing, So get out

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Speaker 1: and see it when it hit cinemas in jam and

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Speaker 1: we'll keep you updated on any of the developments in

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Speaker 1: the cases.

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