Speaker 1: We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land we were
Speaker 1: recording on today.
Speaker 2: I open this door and see my husband having a
Speaker 2: deep conversation in a private little room with a beautiful model,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, sorry, then I apologize for
Speaker 2: some reason, shut the door and walk off.
Speaker 1: Why did you apologize? Don't hello?
Speaker 2: And welcome back to Eat, Sleep, Shit, repeat your unhinged
Speaker 2: podcast about the madness that is motherhood and everything in between.
Speaker 2: I'm Kelly McCarron.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kiri Cels And in case you missed last
Speaker 1: week's episode, our very first of the year, we talked
Speaker 1: about goals. We started off talking about our fails, which
Speaker 1: were honestly the highlight of my day when I was
Speaker 1: editing that episode. We were so funny.
Speaker 2: We were so funny. I'm sure it's funny that we
Speaker 2: think we're so funny, but that's a right.
Speaker 1: Like else, you've got to back yourself.
Speaker 2: You've got a hello, bud, your own head funny. Otherwise
Speaker 2: what a boring place to be.
Speaker 1: We then shared a list of all the things we're
Speaker 1: hoping to do this year and hopefully.
Speaker 2: Inspired you all. We have loved hearing what some shitters
Speaker 2: are planning to get up to.
Speaker 1: Kel's also loved just saying that she's going to give
Speaker 1: her opinion on them when no one really asks for that.
Speaker 2: Listener, I just I enjoy giving feedback and making sure
Speaker 2: that people are feedback.
Speaker 1: Queen.
Speaker 2: Well, I just okay, you need to set realistic, achievable,
Speaker 2: and tangible goals. I'm married to a man whose only
Speaker 2: goal for the year is financial freedom, So what does
Speaker 2: that mean?
Speaker 1: Also, I don't feel like he spends a lot of
Speaker 1: money on stuff that isn't like needed, Like he's quite practical.
Speaker 2: What are you buying, sir? What does financial freedom mean?
Speaker 1: What? Surely he's buy everything that he wants, Like, he's
Speaker 1: not like an outrageously I mean, you can't buy.
Speaker 2: A boat, oh he wants he doesn't want a boat.
Speaker 2: He's probably like a sports car. But yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: like we're doing it tough. I don't understand what he
Speaker 2: meant by that. And that's why I liked your feedback,
Speaker 2: because it's like, well, that's a silly goal because.
Speaker 1: It means not boat life for us. Well, today the
Speaker 1: dust of the silly season has finally settle, thank god,
Speaker 1: and our trees are packed away against my will. Charlie
Speaker 1: did it while I was out of the house. The
Speaker 1: elf has been fucked off into his box. See you later, Alfie.
Speaker 2: The first time I saw a key after the Silly Season,
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you're smaller than I anticipated. But we
Speaker 2: think it's because the baby's actually dropped.
Speaker 1: I think the baby is engaged in so yeah, not
Speaker 1: in the guts anymore. I tell you. With every step
Speaker 1: I take, I get a little sprinkle on the Vijiji.
Speaker 2: It's like the head is just like just knocking on
Speaker 2: that door, saying bang bang, mum, I'm ready, I'm coming soon,
Speaker 2: I'm coming. So we thought that we'd recap the silly season,
Speaker 2: the peaks, pits, anything we recommend from our time, eat ac.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: So can you believe that it was our third Christmas
Speaker 2: with and Len? The magic of Christmas? I swear it
Speaker 2: just gets better and better. Like I just want to
Speaker 2: start off by saying that I know, towards the end
Speaker 2: of the year, I was a little bit off the
Speaker 2: concept of Santa because I thought it was bullshit. Then
Speaker 2: some kids wouldn't get much, and then they think it's
Speaker 2: because they're naughty, and that silly bloke from the North
Speaker 2: Pole was getting all the credit from my hard work
Speaker 2: buying len the presence, but I actually take it aback
Speaker 2: because fuck my life. It is so magical, like seeing
Speaker 2: their little faces when they put their sacks out, like
Speaker 2: I was like, put out your sack for Santa. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it magically gets full of presents overnight. What's not a
Speaker 2: lot of the Roodolph the reindeer has a nibble of
Speaker 2: a carrot and he stops by has his little snack,
Speaker 2: and this presence.
Speaker 1: So freaking cute. It is so exciting. Yeah, it's so cute.
Speaker 1: And we flew to the Northern Rivers where Charlie's sister
Speaker 1: and dad live, and we stayed with his sister this
Speaker 1: year because his brothers were in the other family house.
Speaker 1: So we got to kind of catch the tail end
Speaker 1: of elf on the shelf. And like when I tell
Speaker 1: you my sister in law, Georgie, shout out, she's a shitter.
Speaker 1: She is magic. Her partner has two kids and they're
Speaker 1: like five and eight. Maybe. Anyway, she was doing like
Speaker 1: the elf was like hanging from a beam and like
Speaker 1: a swing and then she had these like lists about
Speaker 1: like for the last night. It was like, Rue, you're
Speaker 1: on the nice list because you're being such a good
Speaker 1: sister to be and you've been very kind and gentle,
Speaker 1: hands like, and she writes it in this like curly
Speaker 1: worly cursive writing.
Speaker 2: She's properly incorporates the magic.
Speaker 1: She's properly incorporate.
Speaker 2: She's an interest mum. Also does she on the whole
Speaker 2: elf on the shelf? Because I saw a lot of
Speaker 2: slack about it, Like people are saying like, oh, fuck
Speaker 2: the off on the shelf and putting extra pressure on parents,
Speaker 2: and you know you're setting yourself up for extra work
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, Well don't do it, then.
Speaker 1: Then don't do it. It's the same with everything, like
Speaker 1: can we not just shit on things just because it's
Speaker 1: like quote unquote extra work, we don't don't do it.
Speaker 2: We don't have I am not the sort of person
Speaker 2: that would do the elf on the shelf. And you
Speaker 2: know what, if your kid's like, hey, mom, why does
Speaker 2: the elf get more creative at my friend's house.
Speaker 1: You're lucky you have an elf?
Speaker 2: Like shut up?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you Charlie's brother, he's got three kids,
Speaker 1: and his son went Harry went over to play at
Speaker 1: someone's house and he came home and he's like, Dad,
Speaker 1: our elf is so lazy. You should see what blah
Speaker 1: Bar's elf is doing. And his dad was like, shit,
Speaker 1: all right, gotta do something a little bit extra than
Speaker 1: that's funny, then okay, hilarious. That is a way.
Speaker 2: That's a way better way to frame it than I
Speaker 2: don't know, You've got a lazy elf exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, yeah, our elf is lazy.
Speaker 1: Let's send them back and not do this anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then if you really don't want to do it,
Speaker 2: but like, it's so.
Speaker 1: Much fun though, And can I just say, like anything
Speaker 1: that adds extra magic to a time, like when a.
Speaker 2: Thing to do, Yes, it's time, but it's free.
Speaker 1: But we need things in our lives to like bring
Speaker 1: us joy. Like I just feel like people lack a
Speaker 1: lot of perspective. I feel like with things that have
Speaker 1: happened to me in the last kind of twelve months,
Speaker 1: Like my perspective on things is just like those little
Speaker 1: things are what kids remember. They don't remember like.
Speaker 2: The gifts, they're not going to remember what they got.
Speaker 2: They remember the cheeky elf. Oh my goodness, remember that
Speaker 2: time I saw my cousin the other day and he
Speaker 2: had like all of the fingernails on one of his
Speaker 2: hands not the other were blue. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: did Ashley his daughter do that? And he was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, no. The elf was really cheeky. One
Speaker 2: night is really funny.
Speaker 1: That's really funny. That's so cute.
Speaker 2: Kids will remember the time that the elf paint of
Speaker 2: my nails blue.
Speaker 1: Silly elf. The brother I was just speaking about, he
Speaker 1: did redeem himself. He actually set the elf up to
Speaker 1: eat corn kernels and then there was like popcorn coming
Speaker 1: out of his butt.
Speaker 2: Clever.
Speaker 1: So there's so many ways. They don't have to.
Speaker 2: Be the theatrical thing. Oh, they can just be really
Speaker 2: like quirky. We should do a thing next year that's
Speaker 2: like really easy but effective ideas for elf on the shelf.
Speaker 1: I would love that because I'm going to do it
Speaker 1: next year.
Speaker 2: Oh or Rue will love it. Will I'll compile a
Speaker 2: list because I'm really good at coming up with like
Speaker 2: lazy ways to do things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I almost fucked it though for my sister in
Speaker 1: law's step kids because we were on the phone and
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, we can't wait for you to come,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, we're so excited. And
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, does Rue have elf on the shelf?
Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, I think she's too young.
Speaker 1: What age did the elf start visiting you?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Kay? You know when you're just only parented a toddler
Speaker 1: and you can just sail the stuff in front of
Speaker 1: them and there's are no consequences. I was like, I
Speaker 1: almost ruined the magic of Christmas.
Speaker 2: Please kids. Kids are kind of dumb. You can just
Speaker 2: explain it away, some magic they you know. Yeah, my
Speaker 2: friend's kids came over and the elf was just sitting
Speaker 2: on the tree because Lenny's too young, and they were like,
Speaker 2: why is the elf here already?
Speaker 1: How early was it?
Speaker 2: It was like November. I didn't know that the elf
Speaker 2: only came out in December. And then I picked him
Speaker 2: up and I went, it's technically the cats elf.
Speaker 1: It's you touched it.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know that that was all. And then
Speaker 2: they were like.
Speaker 1: You can't touch the elf. Get the cinnamon, either some
Speaker 1: cinnamon trick or something.
Speaker 2: Oh, in our house, Mummy's allowed to touch the elf
Speaker 2: because Mummy's magic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good recovery, good recovery.
Speaker 2: You might could have like just saying shit, out of
Speaker 2: my ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, it's terrifying. So yeah, this year,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited though, to get down and dirty with
Speaker 1: the ELF's. But you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, anyway, tell me about your Christmas
Speaker 2: because I knew it was going to be a tough
Speaker 2: one in many regards.
Speaker 1: Firstly, on the lighter.
Speaker 2: End of the stick, you're very pregnant. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: last time you were very pregnant in winter. It's a
Speaker 2: wildly different experience.
Speaker 1: It's actually quite enjoyable to be pregnant in winter.
Speaker 2: I will say, you have no ac up there from memory?
Speaker 1: Oh no, we have ducked it. Oh you do. So
Speaker 1: I was very ready, Okay, you'll find there. I was like,
Speaker 1: get me out of my apartment with my portable air
Speaker 1: conditioner that does do the trick, but get me into
Speaker 1: that ducted baby. And you know what was really great
Speaker 1: is it because we were staying with my sister in law.
Speaker 1: She's ten days behind us.
Speaker 2: Oh, so she also is like not stinging out on
Speaker 2: the AC. She's like, it's not on all the time.
Speaker 1: But she's also like, so what time are you taking
Speaker 1: a nap today? And I was like, this is the
Speaker 1: energy that I need to get it. It's not just
Speaker 1: me being like I think I need to go for
Speaker 1: a nap.
Speaker 2: But it's like, so what time shall win?
Speaker 1: It's like we're going down now, guys. You guys have
Speaker 1: got this call, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Fucking so, she's at the exact same stage in terms
Speaker 2: of energy depiction.
Speaker 1: I need to show you a picture when I can,
Speaker 1: Like I haven't met up in a nap since we
Speaker 1: got back. If like when Charlie's gone back to work
Speaker 1: because had han rupees, she not nap anymore a home No, no,
Speaker 1: we cut her nap because now she asks to go
Speaker 1: to bed at seven pm and we just put her
Speaker 1: in her toddler bed and she snuggled down and slip what. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm a very big advocate for cutting that bloody app
Speaker 1: in the daytime, because my god, our evenings have just opened,
Speaker 1: they're wide open.
Speaker 2: We're like, I didn't have an evening anymore. What do
Speaker 2: you mean, Well, because Lenny goes to bed at like
Speaker 2: nine thirty exactly.
Speaker 1: This was where I was before Christmas. And then I
Speaker 1: just said that's it. No more fucking napping, no more
Speaker 1: napping during the day. I know that I do need
Speaker 1: that nap during the day, but it's not worth it
Speaker 1: at night because we were then going to bed at
Speaker 1: like midnight. So thinking about dropping the nap, I'm in
Speaker 1: give it a go. Give it a go, because you
Speaker 1: can always reintroduce it. Remember, nothing is like finally any ia.
Speaker 2: Okay. So the pregnancy part that was actually okay.
Speaker 1: That was okay. Look, Charlie did have to do a
Speaker 1: little bit of work and the lead up to Christmas,
Speaker 1: so there were a couple of days where I had
Speaker 1: her by myself and like wanted to do stuff because
Speaker 1: I wanted her to be tired so that we could
Speaker 1: all chill in the evening kind of thing. I overdid
Speaker 1: it a couple of days. But honestly, being pregnant there
Speaker 1: was so much easier than being pregnant in Sydney because
Speaker 1: simply they were more hands on debt. Yeah, like her
Speaker 1: two cousins who lived with my sister in law, they
Speaker 1: are that little bit older and they're like obsessed with her,
Speaker 1: So I didn't really have to parent because they would
Speaker 1: be looking after her or playing with her all day,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was a lot
Speaker 1: more relaxing than I maybe thought it would be. Because
Speaker 1: typically on holidays, like you know, it's just same shit,
Speaker 1: different place, but you really notice it when you go
Speaker 1: from having zero help to having a lot of help
Speaker 1: and also from people that have kids as well, which
Speaker 1: is really helpful.
Speaker 2: You were very apprehensive about your first Christmas without deb Yeah,
Speaker 2: how did you navigate everything?
Speaker 1: So I think, like obviously, now having moved through it,
Speaker 1: I can definitely say that the lead up to Christmas
Speaker 1: was definitely worse than the actual days sing And that's
Speaker 1: because like I remember specifically like being in Caymer trying
Speaker 1: to get one of the cousins a gift, and just
Speaker 1: like the grief washing over me of like twelve months ago,
Speaker 1: I was doing the exact same thing, last minute Christmas shopping,
Speaker 1: because we were like on our way like we do
Speaker 1: every year to Charlie's parents and like so excited, and
Speaker 1: I was just like this wave of grief just kind
Speaker 1: of washed over me, like oh God, like everything's like
Speaker 1: so different this year, and the person who made Christmas
Speaker 1: so magic wasn't going to be there. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's kind of like, oh my God, Like
Speaker 1: you see everyone around you, they have that kind of
Speaker 1: excitement about it being the end of the year and
Speaker 1: going to see their family or whether that's like their
Speaker 1: chosen family or their actual family, like or just being
Speaker 1: with friends. And that was hard to see and try
Speaker 1: to participate in because Charlie and I both said to
Speaker 1: each other, we wouldn't be that upset if we kind
Speaker 1: of just didn't do Christmas this year, like it might
Speaker 1: feel nice just to breathe through it and fast forward
Speaker 1: to the bit where we get our baby and that
Speaker 1: brings us some joy kind of thing. But in saying that,
Speaker 1: the day was actually really beautiful, Like we had George,
Speaker 1: Charlie's sister host it, and we did it on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 1: so it kind of almost took like we mixed.
Speaker 2: Things up so much that it wasn't like the exact
Speaker 2: same thing with one less person exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it was really nice, like we had
Speaker 1: in laws and stuff there from different partners and all
Speaker 1: the kids were together, and like, I think the best
Speaker 1: thing about it was that, like we addressed the elephant
Speaker 1: in the room, so like Charlie's brother said, like a
Speaker 1: beautiful speech before we were going to eat, just there's
Speaker 1: someone missing, yeah that should be here basically, And that
Speaker 1: was hard. But I think like not addressing it would
Speaker 1: feel worse, like we never want to forget her, We
Speaker 1: never want to.
Speaker 2: Like for her to think that she's like being wherever
Speaker 2: she is and going, yeah, I don't even have fucking
Speaker 2: mention that I'm not.
Speaker 1: There, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, like and she,
Speaker 1: you know, lets us know that she's there. Just little
Speaker 1: things that happened and you ain't. Yeah, that's definitely dead.
Speaker 1: But that was really beautiful and I think everyone could
Speaker 1: take a breath after that, because I think we were
Speaker 1: all kind of like holding that tension in our body
Speaker 1: about like, you know, we want to honor her on
Speaker 1: the day, but we don't know how we're going to
Speaker 1: necessarily do that. But the other hard thing though, was
Speaker 1: like seeing Rue open gifts and stuff because the year before,
Speaker 1: Charlie and I stayed with his mum and dad dead
Speaker 1: went crazy with the gifts, like she just loved it,
Speaker 1: you know, and Rue just wasn't there yet, you know.
Speaker 1: And that was December, and by her birthday in May,
Speaker 1: she was there with gifts like she got it, you know.
Speaker 1: And so at that Christmas, I was like, oh, next year,
Speaker 1: it's just going to be so good, Like.
Speaker 2: She will get to her dead level with the small present.
Speaker 1: So that was really hard. But like, we're so lucky
Speaker 1: that we have just like people that pop up in
Speaker 1: our lives, like Lucy's mum for instance. Lucy's my one
Speaker 1: of my best friends. We do another podcast here that
Speaker 1: we talk about her a lot on the bush comes
Speaker 1: up a lot on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Actually I feel like how she did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, her mom like dropped over like a bag of
Speaker 1: gifts for Rue before Christmas when we were doing a
Speaker 1: record at her house, and that.
Speaker 2: Is so thoughtful.
Speaker 1: It was just so thoughtful because I think there's like
Speaker 1: a certain energy that comes with being like a nana,
Speaker 1: you know, and she like the gifts. I'm gonna cry obviously,
Speaker 1: but I mean she got her so many gorgeous gifts,
Speaker 1: but she got her this like Ballerina jewelry box, so.
Speaker 2: You open it, it sings, you make some music.
Speaker 1: And she loved it, and like obviously George and I
Speaker 1: are in tears because we're just like that is like
Speaker 1: thank God for that magic, that kind of deb magic
Speaker 1: from Margaret. But like it was like heartbreaking but also
Speaker 1: heartwarming at the same time because you're like Deb isn't here,
Speaker 1: and that is fucking tragic and we'll never be okay
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: But you guys, but we're so lucky to have so
Speaker 2: many people in her corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like thinking of how nice that would be,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, It's just like I'm continuously
Speaker 1: surprised by people's kindness and thoughtfulness that honestly makes a difference.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so obviously a little bit fucked up because
Speaker 1: of how I grew up, but I'm always like, oh, no, fuss, like,
Speaker 1: don't worry, We'll be okay. I'm very insular. I don't
Speaker 1: like to like us to help, but sometimes when that
Speaker 1: help is just given to you in different forms, you're
Speaker 1: just like wow, like you really understand how important it
Speaker 1: is to lean on people.
Speaker 2: I also don't think that asking for help comes that
Speaker 2: easily to anyone, which is why I'm a very firm
Speaker 2: advocate for just do something. Yeah, because the worst thing
Speaker 2: that's going to happen is that you're a little bit overbearing.
Speaker 2: Oh God, sorry that I loved you too much.
Speaker 1: Exactly which I would never well give it to me.
Speaker 1: I'm into it. I might be awkward and give you
Speaker 1: an awkward hug, but inside I'm just like thank.
Speaker 2: God, Yeah, you know this is that you know that
Speaker 2: you're appreciative. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I would say overall it was actually way better
Speaker 1: than expected because I think what was worse was the leader,
Speaker 1: but the actual day and all being together I think
Speaker 1: was really good. And being able to share in the grief.
Speaker 1: I think being like separated, your grief becomes quite lonely,
Speaker 1: lonely and it becomes really heavy. So it's almost when
Speaker 1: you're together, you share in the grief and it becomes lighter,
Speaker 1: but it's still had its you know, of course, hard moments.
Speaker 1: I think obviously, like with Georgie about to have a baby,
Speaker 1: I was about to have a baby, like that is
Speaker 1: front and center, and to be doing it without the
Speaker 1: person that was so obsessed with the yeah is really hard.
Speaker 2: I think that's great for anyone listening though that is
Speaker 2: scared of an upcoming event. Yeah, to know that potentially
Speaker 2: the lead up is way worse because it makes sense
Speaker 2: of white and I.
Speaker 1: Think like to each their own and how you want
Speaker 1: to deal with that. I how to convo with Georgie
Speaker 1: and she actually we tried to get an interview with
Speaker 1: the Good Morning Girls who have an amazing Yeah.
Speaker 2: We'll try to speak to them at some time this year,
Speaker 2: because I think that navigating grief is a different kettle
Speaker 2: of fish for kids.
Speaker 1: And also when you're further into it, I think the
Speaker 1: perspective they have is just like incredible. But she was
Speaker 1: saying that in one of their episodes, they were asking
Speaker 1: how people celebrate Christmas and there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people who just like, we just don't do it without
Speaker 1: that person, And I think, each to your own, but like,
Speaker 1: try to still do those things because you're gonna feel
Speaker 1: the same, if not worse, right, So the hope is
Speaker 1: you will feel the same that you would had you
Speaker 1: not celebrate, and not worse, Like I can't imagine not
Speaker 1: doing even though we were saying we just want to
Speaker 1: like bypast Christmas.
Speaker 2: But you would never go into actually buy part no,
Speaker 2: because it.
Speaker 1: Was so point to us, like you need to be
Speaker 1: able to still have live, yeah, and have moments of
Speaker 1: joy and acknowledge that there is someone isn't there that
Speaker 1: should be you know.
Speaker 2: Like how did Charlie's dad cope with everything? He must
Speaker 2: be so excited for the babies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. He's very excited. He is.
Speaker 2: It's nice to have things to look forward to.
Speaker 1: Oh, completely, and I think, like, you know, a circle
Speaker 1: of life, like new babies bring, you know, hopes and
Speaker 1: all those good things that kind of come with it,
Speaker 1: and looking forward. Grief is a lot about like looking backwards.
Speaker 1: I think when you have kids, it propels you forward,
Speaker 1: even if you you yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It pushes you yeah. And then when did you come back?
Speaker 2: How did you guys spend New Years?
Speaker 1: Well, we came back early because everyone left. George went
Speaker 1: on a baby moon to Fiji, and then Charlie's dad
Speaker 1: went up north to stay with his sisters for New Years.
Speaker 1: And we were like, I guess we'll just.
Speaker 2: Go back because did not want to.
Speaker 1: But okay, I'm actually glad because we never wanted to
Speaker 1: leave early because we enjoyed it so much. But with
Speaker 1: the baby coming, I was like, I need time to nest,
Speaker 1: like I am itching to like throw out everything in
Speaker 1: our house and deep clean everything. So we ended up
Speaker 1: coming back on the thirtieth and we weren't meant to
Speaker 1: come back till the second.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you had a couple of days in Sydney.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, and that was so good. We just did
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. So I feel like we're really
Speaker 1: set up now rather than kind of like chasing our tail.
Speaker 1: So that was really nice and just to like enjoy
Speaker 1: being back in Sydney, like we're never there with tiking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like we usually come back from holidays and we go
Speaker 1: to work the next day. So it was like quite
Speaker 1: nice just to have that time and like settle in
Speaker 1: and like have holidays where you live, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: hard for us because obviously we're from Queensland. Like our
Speaker 1: big holidays are like with family in Queensland more than
Speaker 1: New South Wales. Like it's not ever in Sydney. No,
Speaker 1: I've never really been there.
Speaker 2: See the point in Sydney, but you need to rest.
Speaker 2: I agree. But it's like like I've lived in Sydney
Speaker 2: for however many years and I've never done so many
Speaker 2: of the touristic things because I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, oh god, but I just mean like just chilling
Speaker 1: at just chilling at home and getting up and going
Speaker 1: to the beach, like we're being Byron and then we're
Speaker 1: like going to the beach, it's hard to find a
Speaker 1: park and I'm like, we live at the beach. We
Speaker 1: can walk to the beach.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's just like things like that, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to trade family time for being able to
Speaker 1: walk to the beach, like we enjoy that time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice just to have a couple of days where
Speaker 1: we're actually.
Speaker 2: Like chilling at home, chill and getting stuff done.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: How do you manage to get anything done though? With
Speaker 2: Rue and Charlie there? Or does he take around?
Speaker 1: Quite a lovely thing. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: heard of it. It's called television.
Speaker 2: Oh my child won't watch TV if I'm doing something. Oh,
Speaker 2: he needs to be out of the house, or he
Speaker 2: will insist on helping me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean rude does help a bit, but no,
Speaker 1: she's much more into Moana than helping me. Oh make god.
Speaker 2: We're in a mourna stage as well, except only the songs,
Speaker 2: not the actual film.
Speaker 1: Well, the songs are great though.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She got to singing Moana dolls for Christmas. Yeah, really cute.
Speaker 2: Until it's two am and it's still singing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the full song. Oh, every single word.
Speaker 2: Who was responsible for that?
Speaker 1: Her lovely aunt and uncle and then us? Oh good no,
Speaker 1: they are actually really cute, like and she loves them,
Speaker 1: so I'm like so stoked for her, Like that's home merch.
Speaker 2: You know, like, did you get anything Christmas? Do you
Speaker 2: do Chris Krengle, We do not.
Speaker 1: We just focus on the kids. I did get something
Speaker 1: for Christmas. Charlie actually got me that necklace that I
Speaker 1: really wanted.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 1: So you can see it. But it says rue, But what.
Speaker 2: Will you do when you've got another baby? Well, hope
Speaker 2: that it's not got a really long name, no, because
Speaker 2: you have to.
Speaker 1: All our names are short. Okay, Oh yeah, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that that might be a little I love it.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. And then you've got the one that you
Speaker 2: bought yourself.
Speaker 1: That I bought myself, that one in Paris, and then
Speaker 1: that one. It's just like a loosey folk one.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they look so how do you do that? Though?
Speaker 2: Without mine just end up in a tangled heap?
Speaker 1: Oh, they do end up tangled.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just untangled them like every now and then. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was good, good Christmas overall.
Speaker 2: Okay, good.
Speaker 1: I gave Charlie some kick ass presence.
Speaker 2: He was pretty stood with presents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really easy because he doesn't buy himself any clothes,
Speaker 1: let himself shop once a year. So I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: let it go. I got him some sambers, a couple
Speaker 1: of shirts from assembly but like fancy ones. I got
Speaker 1: him new sunglasses because he lost them in Europe and
Speaker 1: something else but I can't remember what it was, but
Speaker 1: he was so stoked.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you remember how I made a joke months ago.
Speaker 2: I was like, we did Chris Kringle and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: my sister in law's like really into the environment, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's going to get you, Like she's going to be like,
Speaker 2: here I have this. I'm donating in your honor because
Speaker 2: you have too much stuff. Yeah, And I made that
Speaker 2: joke and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, love you, but I'd like a physical gift.
Speaker 2: I actually cried, what did she do? So with Chris Kringle,
Speaker 2: it's just like one gift for each adult. Then we
Speaker 2: can do gifts for our partners and then for the kids.
Speaker 2: So she got me. It was like a box and
Speaker 2: it was just so thoughtful. It had a book in it,
Speaker 2: how to not kill your house plants stop it and
Speaker 2: it's got like all of the different plants in there
Speaker 2: and rules for all of them. Yeah, that's so killing
Speaker 2: all of my plants, and you don't.
Speaker 1: Have to tell me twice. I see it every Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Man, you know how, I'm like, I dip my toe
Speaker 2: into the woo woo sometimes, but I'm not like really
Speaker 2: into the wood. You're like woo. She's really woo woo.
Speaker 2: And she got me like a Zena's fuck journal. I
Speaker 2: love for the non woo woo people.
Speaker 1: I like that a lot. That's very you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then she got me like this craft kit to
Speaker 2: make a son catch up. Actually, that says unhinged, stop.
Speaker 1: Merch idea.
Speaker 2: Then she got me like this that all she knitted
Speaker 2: it like for the family that goes on the wall.
Speaker 1: That's really.
Speaker 2: She got me a stress ball like a stress lady
Speaker 2: that I squeeze.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: And a cat puzzle. I that's really thoughtful in the
Speaker 2: shape of an actual cat.
Speaker 1: It's like all of the different facets of your personality. Copboared, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really liked that. It was just so thoughtful.
Speaker 2: I felt a bit bad fluke because I did not
Speaker 2: cry when I opened his gift, but it's because I
Speaker 2: helped to choose it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, actually I'm not gonna lie when I
Speaker 1: see her pop up in your content. It's like my
Speaker 1: favorite to see her each year when you guys do
Speaker 1: the silly little shots.
Speaker 2: Oh, my sister in law, she's so wholesome, she's really
Speaker 2: but she's actually like a Slovakian badass. She can shot
Speaker 2: like a ninety percent alcohol I not drink without and
Speaker 2: then just smile. Her grandma has one every day.
Speaker 1: That'd really wake you up, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as well, no caffeine, just do a shot.
Speaker 1: Kind of like that. A bit better to be honest,
Speaker 1: talk me through your Christmas with your fam.
Speaker 2: It wasn't great, Oh it was fine.
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting this because we started the episode so
Speaker 1: full of excitement about the magic of Christmas.
Speaker 2: I know. It was simply I was so run down
Speaker 2: that so we drove up on the Saturday morning and
Speaker 2: by that afternoon, maybe five point thirty, my voice was
Speaker 2: completely gone. What and I didn't have a voice for
Speaker 2: most of the week. What like when I say no voice,
Speaker 2: no voice, I could not speak. There was like a
Speaker 2: few hours per day where I might be able to whisper, especially.
Speaker 1: From the chest infection that you had or No.
Speaker 2: It was just me being so run down.
Speaker 1: End of the year vibe and you know what made
Speaker 1: it fucking worse.
Speaker 2: Every single day, Several times a day, people would be like,
Speaker 2: are you okay? You seem not yourself.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's gonna make me feel better? I
Speaker 1: can't talk.
Speaker 2: I cannot talk. It hurts me to talk. I feel
Speaker 2: really like I was sleeping every day. I was sleeping
Speaker 2: a lot because I was so run down, Like I
Speaker 2: feel awful. Do you think I want to be a
Speaker 2: vibe kill? And I know it's because I was a
Speaker 2: vibe kill, but simply because I was not talking. It's
Speaker 2: not that I was moping around.
Speaker 1: I couldn't talk, yeah, And it's like if you try to,
Speaker 1: that's going to draw out the length of time.
Speaker 2: And just when you can't contribute to conversation when you're
Speaker 2: enjoying family time, oh my god. As someone who loves conversation,
Speaker 2: there was also a really problematic conversation that happened at
Speaker 2: the dinner table one night, and I was sitting there
Speaker 2: and I was like, you couldn't say anything, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And I'm like getting things up on my phone trying
Speaker 2: to and then my drunk Mom's like waving the phone around.
Speaker 2: You can't say anything.
Speaker 1: These days, And I'm like Oh, yeah, that's tricky. It
Speaker 1: was trisky.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also we went up too early. I realized,
Speaker 2: what do you mean, So the kids for the first
Speaker 2: few days were having the best time. They were running
Speaker 2: around constantly, laughing, absolutely smashing themselves. Same as rue, like
Speaker 2: they've got so much room up there, same as Yeah,
Speaker 2: they had the best time, running around, playing so nicely.
Speaker 2: But by Christmas day they were sick of each other
Speaker 2: and they were fighting, winging a lot.
Speaker 1: Uh, okay, what date did you go up?
Speaker 2: We went up on the twentieth or the twenty first.
Speaker 2: Way is early, way too early, I would suggest, like
Speaker 2: the day before Christmas Eve next year. Yeah, so Christmas
Speaker 2: Eve so we can get into the spirit and help
Speaker 2: mum with stuff. But yeah, a couple of days after Christmas,
Speaker 2: I actually put something up.
Speaker 1: In the group.
Speaker 2: I saw this because I felt like I was going mad.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you weren't. I didn't comment on it, but
Speaker 1: I was like, you are reading my line.
Speaker 2: I was like, my child will not stop winging, the
Speaker 2: actually driving me slowly insane. Please tell me that this
Speaker 2: is just like, it's not a youth stage that he's
Speaker 2: going through. And everyone was like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: because he's out of routine.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I was the same. She was super doing
Speaker 1: fucking wingy and like the fucking water works. I'm like,
Speaker 1: how did you learn to fake cry like that is?
Speaker 2: Because you know that it's a fake cry when they
Speaker 2: immediately just go.
Speaker 1: And oh and she would go bright red and then
Speaker 1: I'd given and she'd just be and then.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh great, So I've just like now she
Speaker 2: knows what to do and how to get her and
Speaker 2: I know that we're just like learning as we go
Speaker 2: as well. But it's really really tough, the fighting, the tantrums. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just a lot. Maybe quite glad that Lenny
Speaker 2: doesn't have siblings so I don't have to deal with
Speaker 2: that all the time, because I was like, holy doolly,
Speaker 2: it's just never ending snatching toys off each other. May
Speaker 2: it is absolutely not your toy, you can all share.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was lovely. I loved being outdoors so much.
Speaker 2: Our Slovakian Christmas Eve is always so special. We've got
Speaker 2: our family friends that come. They don't always come on
Speaker 2: that day, but they came this year on that day
Speaker 2: and it's just like they lost their mum a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. Really suddenly she I grew up with her,
Speaker 2: like she was my English teacher. We were all really close,
Speaker 2: the two families. So the fact that they still the
Speaker 2: kids still come and they bring their kids, and they
Speaker 2: were all playing with and Puff had gone to sleep
Speaker 2: on Christmas Eve because he was so cranky. So Rory
Speaker 2: the little girl like, who's old enough to get excited
Speaker 2: by Christmas? She was like, I'll put out his sack
Speaker 2: and that's so cute, so cute. Every day they got
Speaker 2: so much more comfortable in water. There was just so
Speaker 2: many magical, amazing moments. It was just that I was
Speaker 2: feeling so cranky, and I was just so run down.
Speaker 2: They say sick. I felt awful, but it was like
Speaker 2: run down awful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're exhaustors. Yeah yeah, that's really tricky. And
Speaker 1: you're like you look so forward to that time.
Speaker 2: And then to have it literally lose your voice on
Speaker 2: the first day and just want to be in bed
Speaker 2: all the time because you.
Speaker 1: Were so exported. Did you not have a voice for.
Speaker 2: The majority of the week, Like I said, it would
Speaker 2: come back here and there barely, like where you can
Speaker 2: sort of, but it's hurts you to talk. And if
Speaker 2: you'd been quickly losing exactly. So that was Christmas. It
Speaker 2: was still really great. And while I was away at Christmas,
Speaker 2: you will hear in an upcoming episode that we've already recorded,
Speaker 2: there was a really funny conversation that happened towards the
Speaker 2: end of last year where Key said something about plastic
Speaker 2: and I immediately microplastic. I immediately ripped into her, told
Speaker 2: her she had a tinfoil Bereton tinfoil for Dora, and
Speaker 2: we had the biggest cackle about it, but obviously because
Speaker 2: I didn't know where it had come from. And then
Speaker 2: Luke was like, it's Key's fault. Yeah, so he must
Speaker 2: have been here when we had that discussion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we had.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When once we finished recording, when we went out into
Speaker 1: the kitchen, we were discussing it more because I was like,
Speaker 1: if I'm going down with this knowledge, you're going down.
Speaker 2: To But I didn't remember where the seed had been
Speaker 2: planted from. And over Christmas couldn't talk, so I was
Speaker 2: listening to a lot of content, and I was listening
Speaker 2: to podcasts about microplastics. It's become my hyperfixation. And when
Speaker 2: I told you that, I went down the hole. I
Speaker 2: went down the hole. So we came back on the
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, and oh, I threw out Luckily, it was
Speaker 2: my goal for this year to reduce waste because I
Speaker 2: threw out so much stuff.
Speaker 1: All my stuff in my kitchen was plastic, I know.
Speaker 1: And she is still really hard to get stainless steel,
Speaker 1: like everything I got glass. Oh you got glass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well a mix of stainless steel and glass. Like
Speaker 2: I still haven't been able to find some stuff. And
Speaker 2: also just like, that's why I don't want polyester clothes.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't want polyester in my sheets or
Speaker 2: my towels anyway. So the amount of things that I've replaced,
Speaker 2: I probably know more about microplastics than you now that
Speaker 2: it is because of my obsession.
Speaker 1: And I went into came out the other day and
Speaker 1: I could smell it.
Speaker 2: It's disgusting, and given that I loved came out so much,
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it was still my happy place. I
Speaker 2: went there to replace my microplastics with glass. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you're very expensive as well.
Speaker 1: Trying not to kill yourself over a long period of
Speaker 1: time is quite expensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, not going crazy.
Speaker 1: Like oh I am oh, okay, I'm like about to
Speaker 1: throw out all of rus like Camart clothes because I'm
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 2: They're not microplastics though, have a look at the tags.
Speaker 1: No, a lot of them are polyester.
Speaker 2: That's another thing. I've been like checking the tags of
Speaker 2: the clothes in his room. Most of them are actually cotton,
Speaker 2: even if they are from came up.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I do need to double check, just double check.
Speaker 2: I think they're apparently a lot of companies are pretty
Speaker 2: good with kids clothes. But if you've ever bought like
Speaker 2: stuff from like Amazon or those cheap online stores for
Speaker 2: you kids, throw it out because the tags, Because I mean,
Speaker 2: don't throw it out. I'm just encouraging people to wasteful
Speaker 2: at this point. But it is my micro obsession at
Speaker 2: the moment, or my current obsession, i should say. And
Speaker 2: then on the twenty ninth, we had like a family
Speaker 2: get together with all of my extended family, which is
Speaker 2: so nice.
Speaker 1: That's so fun. In Sydney.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Sydney at my aunt's house.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that I.
Speaker 2: Got to hang out with my cousin James, and how
Speaker 2: much I love my cousin James and see my wedding
Speaker 2: and his wife who I have not seen since before
Speaker 2: my wedding because she wasn't able to come. I think
Speaker 2: she's pregnant.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I got to meet her kids, like their kids. I
Speaker 2: got to see all my cousins and it was short
Speaker 2: but like just so sweet, and it made me I'm
Speaker 2: just so grateful I have got such a fun, big
Speaker 2: extended family. Yeah, it was really nice. And then New
Speaker 2: Year's we had a sitter, Luke and I actually got
Speaker 2: to spend it together, very rare occurrence.
Speaker 1: That is so nice. Can I just say this is
Speaker 1: the energy that we want to bring into twenty five.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that well.
Speaker 2: Can actually wait to hear the story because we didn't
Speaker 2: actually spend that much time together on years. To sum
Speaker 2: it up, we have some rich friends. The owner house
Speaker 2: on the water opposite the Harbor Bridge.
Speaker 1: Pretty beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's pretty special. And when said friends bought this house,
Speaker 2: I said to them, well, are you aware that you
Speaker 2: are signing us up for New Year's Eve? You can't
Speaker 2: have this house and not entertain on years.
Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, devastating.
Speaker 2: They're going to have to go on an overseas holiday
Speaker 2: or something. But then we'll be like, well, where are
Speaker 2: the keys, we'll just let ourselves in and it was
Speaker 2: the first time was last year and it was just
Speaker 2: so much fun, the best vibe, such a good spot,
Speaker 2: best group of people to celebrate with. So I was
Speaker 2: keen for Luke to be able to come this year,
Speaker 2: but my mum wasn't that keen. When I asked her
Speaker 2: to come down to I was like, you and dad
Speaker 2: don't ever do anything on knees. Why can't you come
Speaker 2: down and watch lends so Luke can come and enjoy himself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: apparently that's not the best way to frame things.
Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah, you're boring, so you can do this
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's still Can I just say, when
Speaker 2: I have grandkids, I want to be there at every
Speaker 2: second I can get.
Speaker 1: I agree, but maybe we'll.
Speaker 2: Feel maybe differently, We'll be like we've done our time
Speaker 2: went no thanks anyway. I was like winging to my
Speaker 2: sister about her. I was like, oh, she wasn't even keen.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, Adrian's not working, he can
Speaker 2: have a sleepover with us because weren't going to do anything.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna hang with the kids. Totally fine. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, amazing, So good and yeah,
Speaker 2: so we went. But I actually didn't really spend that
Speaker 2: much time with Luke because I cracked the shits over
Speaker 2: something really silly. And also I was really sick because
Speaker 2: I got my period that day, and of course I did,
Speaker 2: so I didn't drink that much because I was actually
Speaker 2: so sick. I took tablets to try to reduce my
Speaker 2: blood float. It's like a vitamin that my doctor gave me,
Speaker 2: an accid of some I don't know, and it makes
Speaker 2: my tummy cramps way worse, like they're cramping. So anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm having a conversation at someone at one point and
Speaker 2: I literally double over in agony and have to race
Speaker 2: the bathroom thinking I was going to have explosive diary.
Speaker 2: That's how bad my.
Speaker 1: Stomach mats were.
Speaker 2: Oh it's not good, but you're going to die because
Speaker 2: you know me that I don't get jealous, Like that's
Speaker 2: just something that I were very opposite, and we had
Speaker 2: the pole opposite. It's like, I do not get jealous.
Speaker 2: I make jokes all the time about like, oh my God,
Speaker 2: please just go sex with someone else so I don't
Speaker 2: have to do it. Like I just don't get jealous,
Speaker 2: because do you know what. I think maybe it's because
Speaker 2: I've been unfaithful before in a previous relationship. Someone will
Speaker 2: cheat if they want to cheat. Being jealous, there's literally
Speaker 2: no point because if your partner's going to cheat on you,
Speaker 2: they're going to cheat it anyway. So it's just something
Speaker 2: that I've never wasted energy on. And when I say
Speaker 2: I was jealous, I wasn't jealous. I was just like,
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: Admit to being jealous. Tell me all the details.
Speaker 2: So there's this beautiful model at this party who is
Speaker 2: also like and when I say a model, an actual model,
Speaker 2: like a professional model, like fashion companies pay her to model.
Speaker 2: She's that beautiful.
Speaker 1: Do I know her? No?
Speaker 2: Oh, you know a face, but like you don't know her.
Speaker 2: She's also so nice and so funny.
Speaker 1: It's like why she's smart too, because that's really annoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she actually really is. She's incredible, Like I want
Speaker 2: to be with her. She's that amazing. And I also
Speaker 2: just vibe so well with her, and we were already
Speaker 2: making jokes. I was like, would you like to come
Speaker 2: and be in a polyamorous relationship with us?
Speaker 1: So you were giving her the dream line.
Speaker 2: Anyway, she is basically also the female version of Luke.
Speaker 2: So those two got along like a house on fire. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: obviously still totally fine. But then at one point I
Speaker 2: come out of the toilet, I open a door to
Speaker 2: a secret room. It's not a secret room, it's just
Speaker 2: a garage, and the two of them are having a
Speaker 2: secret conversation in there. What about Well, they were having
Speaker 2: a really deep conversation. People really open up to him.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I think because he's a good listener.
Speaker 2: Anyway, she said to me afterwards, she was like, I
Speaker 2: can't believe the things that I told him. I've never
Speaker 2: talked to people about this before. But anyway, I open
Speaker 2: this door and see my husband having a deep conversation
Speaker 2: in a private little room with a beautiful model, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, sorry. Then I apologize for some reason,
Speaker 2: shut the door and walk off.
Speaker 1: Why did you apologize?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would have tackled her to the ground me.
Speaker 2: I just said, I was so sorry to entruy just
Speaker 2: shut the door. And then I'm like, what is wrong
Speaker 2: with you? And I must have been a little bit drunk,
Speaker 2: because then I'm annoyed and I'm like walking around every
Speaker 2: time I try to talk to me. I'm like this, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he comes in and tries to like cuddle
Speaker 2: and kiss me at midnight, and I literally went and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't tell him why I was annoyed because I
Speaker 2: didn't want her to know that I was annoyed about it,
Speaker 2: because I didn't want to make her feel uncomfortable. It
Speaker 2: wasn't her fault that he was in a private room
Speaker 2: with her, and that she's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's important that we direct the anger actually was.
Speaker 2: I was not mad at her at all. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was just like bro. Like later in the cab, I
Speaker 2: finally was like, listen, I'm aware that I didn't speak
Speaker 2: to you, and he was like yeah.
Speaker 1: And I said to.
Speaker 2: Him, you were in a locked room with a model. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how would you feel if you walked into a room
Speaker 2: found me talking in a private conversation. He was like yeah,
Speaker 2: it would be jealous. Like, okay, thank you, that's all
Speaker 2: I wanted. Yeah, he was like, did you actually think
Speaker 2: I would be doing anything? I'm like, no, you idiot,
Speaker 2: of course not. It's also other people don't know that
Speaker 2: I know that. It's also about the optics in a room.
Speaker 2: My husband that never comes out now he's locked in
Speaker 2: a room with a model.
Speaker 1: I also just think it's like boundaries, right, because not
Speaker 1: that they were going to do anything, but I think
Speaker 1: a different type of person may get the wrong idea,
Speaker 1: Like you never want to be in a situation to
Speaker 1: give off any kind of like element of that this
Speaker 1: is going to be something more than it is. Not
Speaker 1: to say that he was or yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: I genuinely what happened was someone else had closed the
Speaker 2: door because they were having this very intense conversation, you know,
Speaker 2: and then they were obviously having the conversation. He didn't
Speaker 2: think anything of it, She didn't think anything of it totally.
Speaker 2: And then she comes up to me later and she's like,
Speaker 2: I hope you don't mind that I was talking to
Speaker 2: him for so long. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: not at all. Yeah, Like I never want her to
Speaker 2: think that, and I want anyone to always think that
Speaker 2: they can have a conversation with someone. I don't own
Speaker 2: the blow. Yeah, she was like, he just gave me
Speaker 2: such good advice, and I was like, wow, I really
Speaker 2: would not ever take his advice, but okay, good.
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that you bleed a little bit like
Speaker 1: the rest of us. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, listen, it shocked everyone that I have told.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit toxicn't I Because I'm almost like.
Speaker 2: You are, Luke, you are so toxic? And then yeah,
Speaker 2: when I like because Luke then was he thought it
Speaker 2: was the funniest thing ever. And then he's telling my
Speaker 2: sister when he jump runs into her a few days
Speaker 2: later and she calls me and she goes, he was
Speaker 2: laughing about it. My sister's like, you, she's so jealous,
Speaker 2: and she's like, it wasn't funny or you you should
Speaker 2: be mad. She's like, you should be so mad.
Speaker 1: I think what's nice about it is Luke feels a
Speaker 1: little bit loved Like it looks like she's a little
Speaker 1: bit like she does love me, she.
Speaker 2: Does care, she cares after all she does.
Speaker 1: She got a little bit jealous, don't you reckon? Like
Speaker 1: when someone gets a little bit jealous over even though
Speaker 1: you know what's wrong, it does make you feel a
Speaker 1: little bit like.
Speaker 2: Huh nah, I don't get it. I get that a
Speaker 2: lot of people probably feel like that. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going out and doing things to
Speaker 1: make Charlie feel jealous or whatever, like it really happens.
Speaker 2: But like I reckon, I used to do stuff like
Speaker 2: that when I was a teenager.
Speaker 1: I think it's like definitely teenage behavior.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, fuck, we are little see you on Tuesdays,
Speaker 2: see you on Tuesday. Away. So Newyears, he will not
Speaker 2: be mudded again because with his little antics. And then
Speaker 2: I was crossed with him and doubling over in pain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like you need to not take that
Speaker 1: acid whatever that is.
Speaker 2: But before whatever it is, it sounds really bad saying
Speaker 2: don't take acid.
Speaker 1: Don't take acid. Yeah, sorry, that's not what we said.
Speaker 2: But the fire Looks were great, best group of people
Speaker 2: to rein it in with. And I was fresh as
Speaker 2: a daze. And the next day and he was absolutely miserable.
Speaker 2: And I'd organized to go over to a friend's house
Speaker 2: for a pool party and I was like, haha.
Speaker 1: You left him with land No, he came.
Speaker 2: Oh, Lenny and he was on dad duty.
Speaker 1: My friend. Well, actually I had quite a good year's too,
Speaker 1: what'd you do?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: We were back, we weren't meant to be back for
Speaker 1: New Years, so it was all a bit like oh,
Speaker 1: and then our friends messages and said, hey, do you
Speaker 1: want to come over for dinner tomorrow night? And we
Speaker 1: were like, oh, yeah, I guess, and then we realized
Speaker 1: it was New Year's and we were like, oh, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that was light too. We need to We just like
Speaker 1: didn't realize.
Speaker 2: It something even if it's nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we would have loved to go to their
Speaker 1: house anyway, but it was just like we only just
Speaker 1: got back, should we shouldn't wan And then we're like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, that's New Year's Eve that we definitely should
Speaker 1: be doing something. So it was two of our couple friends,
Speaker 1: like a couple who were from out of town, and
Speaker 1: the couple who are hosting have like a daughter who's
Speaker 1: like a little bit younger than Rue. And we did
Speaker 1: like the nine pm fireworks and the girls went down,
Speaker 1: we had our dinner, and then we played doesn't sound
Speaker 1: as good when it's next to your New Year, So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna preface it with that. Then we played
Speaker 1: like this game we have to like embarrassed solver a
Speaker 1: murder mystery. It's really fun not selling it because it
Speaker 1: sounds really terrible.
Speaker 2: You sound like me, But basically I would envelope that's sealed.
Speaker 2: I know exactly what to do about it. That sounds awful.
Speaker 1: It was really fun.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we had in the background or me and my
Speaker 2: rich friend's house on the harbor looking at the fireworks.
Speaker 2: We had DJs as well. There was DJs.
Speaker 1: Well, we had a DJ too.
Speaker 2: It was called Charlie. It was called Williams and you did.
Speaker 1: And it was fun because we were just like we
Speaker 1: actually said it was one of our best news ever
Speaker 1: because I'm super pregnant. They've got like a all drinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were all drinking, playing I will say, in
Speaker 2: a small group. Playing games while you're drinking in a
Speaker 2: small group is literally my favorite thing to do ever.
Speaker 1: And they cooked the most gorgeous spread.
Speaker 2: My history just seems like that's not really a game.
Speaker 1: It was a game anyway. I had different envelopes in it,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, who were the three suspects, And
Speaker 1: they had like phone records and they had like you know,
Speaker 1: transcripts from interviews. It was actually really fun anyway, whatever.
Speaker 1: I know, it's not a fucking harbored thing, but it
Speaker 1: was really nice because we had no like preconceptions about
Speaker 1: what the night should have been. The kids loved it.
Speaker 1: They were well behaved, and I had a champagne or two.
Speaker 1: I was great, delicious.
Speaker 2: I wanted to include some recommend because you surely given
Speaker 2: that we had a couple of weeks kind of break.
Speaker 2: When you work for yourself, you don't really have break.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you've absorbed some different content or things to recommend.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you've absorbed content over the holidays, Like,
Speaker 1: what have I watched? Nothing? What do you mean I'm
Speaker 1: full time parenting right now.
Speaker 2: But you have one kid with a partner. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: lots of time at nighttime.
Speaker 1: We were like hanging out with our families, so we
Speaker 1: were like talking and oh, I did play a good
Speaker 1: card game or what.
Speaker 2: Is it called shout out to the two people that
Speaker 2: messaged me and told me thanks to the recommendation for
Speaker 2: the game last year.
Speaker 1: And I don't encourage her two people enough with No,
Speaker 1: we're not encouraging that. It's called like something like shit
Speaker 1: loser or something. And you just don't want to lose. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a good.
Speaker 2: No, one wants to lose in a game.
Speaker 1: No, But it's like not about winning, it's just about
Speaker 1: not losing.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Actually I have one parenting recommendation which you
Speaker 2: will be shocked at what is it?
Speaker 1: We'll get to it. Okay, look, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: My recommendations are pretty diet. But if you just remember
Speaker 1: back to the Christmas episode, I to have a lot
Speaker 1: of good recommendations. So let's just remember that when we
Speaker 1: come in to listen to these recommendations. Because I'm preparing
Speaker 1: for av back, I am immersing myself in the world
Speaker 1: of positive stories. So this will come as no news
Speaker 1: for anyone these books if you're like deep in preparing
Speaker 1: for birth stage. But the one that I'm reading at
Speaker 1: the moment is Birth with Confidence by Readempsey, and it
Speaker 1: just really talks about the different stages in birth and
Speaker 1: the crisis of confidence that you experience, and how basically
Speaker 1: we've been conditioned to think of pain and birth as
Speaker 1: something that we need to stop, when pain and birth
Speaker 1: is actually a good pain that we need to kind
Speaker 1: of embrace and move through. So she talks about these
Speaker 1: kind of crisis of confidence and what's really important to
Speaker 1: have in those moments, which is like your support system
Speaker 1: encouraging you, telling you that like all of this is
Speaker 1: really normal, what you're doing is amazing, You're doing so well.
Speaker 1: So I think that has been really helpful as I
Speaker 1: kind of like because obviously I'm so scared of the
Speaker 1: pain of birth. It becomes quite intense, and obviously I
Speaker 1: never got to the stage of pushing and getting the
Speaker 1: baby out, so just really kind of hearing people's perspectives
Speaker 1: on it. She also interviews a lot of high endurance people,
Speaker 1: so people that have like swum across a channel or
Speaker 1: Olympic athletes, as well as like just people that have
Speaker 1: reached the peak of their sports, because that is kind
Speaker 1: of what she talks about pregnancy, is birthing as being
Speaker 1: kind of the peak performance of the human body with
Speaker 1: human female body, and lots of similarities even with like
Speaker 1: actors preparing for a play and kind of like immersing
Speaker 1: herself in a role. And she kind of draws on
Speaker 1: all of these experiences that give you all of this
Speaker 1: perspective about birth and that just that you need this
Speaker 1: like really good group of people around you to kind
Speaker 1: of like hold you through the stages of birthing. And
Speaker 1: I'm finding it really interesting, So well, that's good. And weirdly,
Speaker 1: I picked up my Kindle to buy this book because
Speaker 1: it was on my list from my midwife, and I
Speaker 1: was like twenty percent through so it just shows you
Speaker 1: like my birth to Rue. And I remember like, had
Speaker 1: I read this the first time around, I would have
Speaker 1: stopped at twenty percent because it's just like you don't understand,
Speaker 1: don't get it, you don't get it like some people would.
Speaker 1: I think some people just.
Speaker 2: Like are like information suckers. Ye, and I say suckers
Speaker 2: not in a bad way, like they want to suck
Speaker 2: it all up. Yeah, that sounds they want to consume it.
Speaker 1: They want to like immerse themselves in it.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, like me, they'll be both
Speaker 2: kind of well I'm way worse than you, but just
Speaker 2: like stick my head in the sand. How don't want
Speaker 2: to come? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was like none of this would have interested me
Speaker 1: the first time around. Yeah, it just wasn't the path
Speaker 1: that I was on with Rue. I was on a path,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of And they also talk about
Speaker 1: the types of personalities you are, like something like an
Speaker 1: all in person who's going to give birth, who's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it this way, someone who's kind of on
Speaker 1: the cusps like oh, just see what happens, and the
Speaker 1: someone who's just like booked me in for that Caesar
Speaker 1: And they talk to those personalities and it's interesting to see, like,
Speaker 1: I'm very much aligned with this kind of I'm happy with.
Speaker 1: However it turns out the middle kind of one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now I'm very much in like the no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this. We're having a VBAC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting out of my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting just to see how you move through, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the different personality. So yeah, highly recommend it for I
Speaker 1: would say second time. But if you're but.
Speaker 2: If you love information and can absorb it, yeah, do it.
Speaker 1: For the first time and really like I mean, you're
Speaker 1: probably way more studious than I ever was. I'm like boring,
Speaker 1: but this is super interesting, So highly recommend. We'll link
Speaker 1: it in the show notes obviously.
Speaker 2: All right, since I already clickbaited it, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: The parenting podcast that I actually like is.
Speaker 1: Called, oh what is it?
Speaker 2: It's called Bratbusters.
Speaker 1: Bratbusters.
Speaker 2: It's quite new actually, so as a lot of people know,
Speaker 2: we've discussed different types of parenting before. I think it's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious that I struggle a lot with the gentle parenting.
Speaker 1: So do I duh, I'm over it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I reckon, she's for you. I came across
Speaker 2: this TikTok like it just fuck. I love the algorithm. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: It just brought this lady up and it was about
Speaker 2: leadership parenting. It's not authoritative, which is what the traditional
Speaker 2: door as I say, or else. And it's not gentle parenting,
Speaker 2: which and I quote she doesn't like gentle parenting because
Speaker 2: you're raising self entitled snowflakes with mental health issues.
Speaker 1: Those are some fighting words. Well. I also had an
Speaker 1: epiphany the other day that like, how can I be
Speaker 1: a gentle parent when they don't have empathy until they're
Speaker 1: like four or five years old. They don't go hand
Speaker 1: in hand like I feel like for me to be
Speaker 1: gentle parenting, they have to have some form of empathy
Speaker 1: to understand my reasoning.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna dis gentle parenting because I know,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't work for me. And I really struggled
Speaker 2: a lot with it because I don't want to be
Speaker 2: authoritative because that's how I was up. But I can't
Speaker 2: be gentle. It's not in my Nature's not a gentle
Speaker 2: somewhere in between leadership parenting. So this one night that
Speaker 2: I found here on a TikTok, I went and then
Speaker 2: just like smashed so many. Then I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, these are snippets from a podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's only maybe got ten episodes out so farther
Speaker 2: about half an hour each. She doesn't with her daughter,
Speaker 2: who she has a really good relationship with, is a
Speaker 2: very like well rounded, well rounded human. We love that
Speaker 2: which we love, and I just find her a lot
Speaker 2: more up my alley. So if you two struggle a
Speaker 2: little bit, but you also don't want to yell all
Speaker 2: the time, yeah, then I recommend Braadbusters.
Speaker 1: So what does leadership parenting? Can you give me a
Speaker 1: tail dr?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you the TLDR of the story that
Speaker 2: I think this is what captured my attention the most
Speaker 2: so and it's kind of like her example. So her
Speaker 2: son was eight and he had five friends for a
Speaker 2: pool party for his birthday and they had like a giant,
Speaker 2: big blow up. Whaley thing called Whaley and she said,
Speaker 2: all right, everyone's going in the pool. I'm watching you all,
Speaker 2: very big on safety. Whaley's not going into the pool
Speaker 2: because anything could happen behind it and it's just too
Speaker 2: like it's obstructing my view type thing. So Whaley's not
Speaker 2: going in the pool and one of the little friends
Speaker 2: took Whaley into the pool and she was sitting on
Speaker 2: the side and she said, Whaley, out of the pool
Speaker 2: right now, and he said looked at her and said no.
Speaker 2: She jumped in the pool fully clothed, pulled him and
Speaker 2: the Whaley thing out, oh my god, not like with force,
Speaker 2: but you're getting out right now. You're sitting next to
Speaker 2: me for ten minutes. But she said you're on time
Speaker 2: out for ten minutes. And then she didn't berate him
Speaker 2: or talk to him about what he'd done, because she
Speaker 2: was like, kids aren't stupid. He knows exactly why he
Speaker 2: was in trouble. Instead, she built up his confidence. She said, hey,
Speaker 2: I saw you playing sports the other day. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: you were so good. How did you go in this test?
Speaker 2: And she was just chatting to him, really interesting his
Speaker 2: life while he was sitting next to her for that
Speaker 2: ten minutes and the rest of the kids are playing,
Speaker 2: she's watching them. Then after ten minutes she was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: your time's up. You can get back into the pool now,
Speaker 2: and he didn't want to. He was just like happy
Speaker 2: to sit there and wanted to keep talking to her.
Speaker 2: Wayley obviously didn't get back into the pool, and none
Speaker 2: of the other kids tried to do that. She was like,
Speaker 2: you don't ask them twice. If you ask them to
Speaker 2: do something, I'm probably not even doing it.
Speaker 1: Justice, right, Okay, do you think that would go with
Speaker 1: toddlers though.
Speaker 2: Well, she's got all different things for all different agents.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, coo cool. I like that. That's really interesting.
Speaker 2: She also doesn't count a toddler after three, which I
Speaker 2: just I don't like. I don't agree with everything I
Speaker 2: think he told there is until four. I do not
Speaker 2: think that they are smart enough to be classified as
Speaker 2: a kid.
Speaker 1: Tell you we missus. I can't believe I'm eventing this,
Speaker 1: but we struggled so much obviously when we got back
Speaker 1: from holidays with no hands on deck and just us
Speaker 1: and exhausted, and so rug's just she's got a sipling coming,
Speaker 1: so she's just really, you know, pushing h limits. So
Speaker 1: we did have been putting her own time out, except
Speaker 1: she loves time out because she just gets a book
Speaker 1: and starts reading it, doesn't she And so we go
Speaker 1: in there and she's like, hey, room on the broom, And.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, this is actually great, is it? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So she also says, which I was like, damn it,
Speaker 2: because I got all of the kids that were up
Speaker 2: there a reward chart for Christmas, one for the fridge.
Speaker 2: She doesn't believe in reward charts. Oh, she's got the opposite,
Speaker 2: like a punishment chart.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not called that, but it's like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But she does talk about how punishment or like, when
Speaker 2: you do something wrong, I ask you do something, you
Speaker 2: don't do it. She said that the first punishment should
Speaker 2: actually be something not that bad, but they like help
Speaker 2: me clean this thing up, or yeah, upon her and
Speaker 2: read a book by yourself. It doesn't necessarily have to
Speaker 2: be bad. Is if they don't do that, then then
Speaker 2: they get like there no screen time for twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. I think I really like it. I
Speaker 2: am I want to get her on the.
Speaker 1: Point to like expand my toolkit of Yes.
Speaker 2: I really want to get her on the pod at
Speaker 2: some point, because I think that she's incredible and she'd
Speaker 2: probably want to. Oh so I just need her help myself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so oh, I just I really I am a huge fan.
Speaker 1: I love that record.
Speaker 2: Cool. So I know, very rare for me to have
Speaker 2: a recommendation. That's to do with parenting. I'll try to
Speaker 2: be a little bit quicker with the rest of them.
Speaker 2: Squid Game two. If you watch the first season and
Speaker 2: you thought, I honestly just don't know how they could
Speaker 2: do a second season and make it as good, it's
Speaker 2: just as good. The writing is incredible.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I didn't start it the other day
Speaker 1: when you said, but I will.
Speaker 2: It's so good. Yes, some of the episodes are a
Speaker 2: little bit slow, but they also think that that's just
Speaker 2: the style and we're so used to everything being so fast.
Speaker 1: I told you this, Mamber. We've spoken about this before,
Speaker 1: like there's craft and slow televisions to build tension, build interest.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yes, because my god, I can't sleep after
Speaker 2: watching this. I'm so anxious. Yes, but not in a
Speaker 2: bad way, Like that sounds bad, but it's like.
Speaker 1: Your body's reacting to what you've watched.
Speaker 2: And now my algorithm on TikTok is just all Squid
Speaker 2: Game staff. We're talking about the hot dude on it,
Speaker 2: like it's just so fun. I love it. Like it's
Speaker 2: very violent though, it's like the first it's violent though, actually,
Speaker 2: but it's still pretty bad. That's on Netflix. The latest
Speaker 2: season of Sex Sizes of College Girls is out and
Speaker 2: it is one of the greatest comedy sitcom Like is
Speaker 2: this a sitcom? Or is sitcom live? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's drama so good comedy drama druck series like it's
Speaker 2: it is so funny. Yeah, we love it is incredible.
Speaker 2: The writing is amazing. It's written by Mindy Carling or
Speaker 2: she's a producer.
Speaker 1: No, she's I think she's a right show show. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's about four girls that move into UNI together college together.
Speaker 2: They live on campus together, and it's about their sex
Speaker 2: lives except it's not. It's about like everything everything Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's so funny and it's so real and all
Speaker 2: of the characters are just so relatable and who are you?
Speaker 2: It's one of these shows where you cast yourself of course,
Speaker 2: so I would never know.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't have had that experience. It's so different
Speaker 1: in America.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the soccer chick and not just because you're black.
Speaker 2: What you're just like very pragmatic with some things like.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like not can I know there were
Speaker 1: an a rap character?
Speaker 2: No, you're not hurt. You want to be Who is
Speaker 2: the soccer chick. She's the best.
Speaker 1: No, I want to be like the mysterious one, who's
Speaker 1: that kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Well, they're an a rap person spoiler alert has left thee.
Speaker 2: I know. I actually really like the character that they
Speaker 2: replaced her with. Key doesn't. I just think she's really
Speaker 2: funny and quick. I'm Kimberly, which is disappointing.
Speaker 1: Bit makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do really like because she's so she's so wholesome.
Speaker 1: Wholesome isn't a word that would come to mind when
Speaker 1: I think of you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think the nerdy stuff in the way that,
Speaker 2: but how excited she gets about stuff that in that
Speaker 2: wambly in the non wholesome stuff. I am Lawla, Yeah, Leaela, Leela,
Speaker 2: Leela Okay and Leila a documentary on Netflix, Don't Die.
Speaker 2: It's probably over one hundred different things I do any
Speaker 2: given day that the body has asked for to be
Speaker 2: in its ideal state.
Speaker 1: Oh this came up in my splash last night.
Speaker 2: Do you know who Brian Johnson is? No, okay, Brian Johnson.
Speaker 2: I discovered him last year because I listened to a
Speaker 2: podcast on Diary of a CEO with him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he is a bread podcast.
Speaker 2: A massive widow, and I say that really affectionately. I'm
Speaker 2: also a widow. But his objective in life is to
Speaker 2: He's a billionaire that sold his brain Tree company, like
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's software, so he made a lot
Speaker 2: of money. Yeah, and he used to be Mormon and
Speaker 2: oh wow, Yeah, he left the religion and he decided
Speaker 2: that he wanted to not die, so to age backwards.
Speaker 2: So he comes up with all of these different protocols.
Speaker 2: He's spending millions of dollars per year trialing all of
Speaker 2: these different things, doing all of these different to not die,
Speaker 2: to reverse his age and not die, and to reduce
Speaker 2: his you know, heart health age, all these.
Speaker 1: Different thing doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the science is showing that, like he is
Speaker 2: reducing his age in so many different he's got the
Speaker 2: bonus of a sixteen year old apparently. Yeah, they even test,
Speaker 2: like apparently that has something to do with testing your age.
Speaker 2: A boner and one a.
Speaker 1: Sixteen year old boner. It feels bit weird.
Speaker 2: The documentary. It also made him a lot more human
Speaker 2: because he seemed fine and everyone says, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: he's a booner. Of course he's fine. But the criticism
Speaker 2: that he has copped since all of this stuff about
Speaker 2: his lifestyle has gone viral. Like he does insane stuff. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he eats for science, so only things that have been
Speaker 2: perfectly cooked by a chef.
Speaker 1: Raw.
Speaker 2: His last meal is at like eleven am. He has
Speaker 2: like fifty different supplements per day. He sleeps in like
Speaker 2: optimal conditions, but like wakes up at four point thirty
Speaker 2: to do his exercise, Like he does crazy strength things.
Speaker 2: He's extreme in everything, and he gets like so much backlash,
Speaker 2: Like people are calling him I guess I just did,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying it endearingly, Like people are not being
Speaker 2: kind to him, people going ha ha, he's just gonna
Speaker 2: how funny if he just ends up being hit by
Speaker 2: a bus and all of this stuff, and like tell
Speaker 2: me you've got too much money without telling me you've
Speaker 2: got too much money. Like he's doing what he wants
Speaker 2: with his money and.
Speaker 1: It's not hurting anyone.
Speaker 2: He's not hurting anyone. No, No, he couldn't. Really what's
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 1: Say, because you'd want someone to be doing it with you.
Speaker 1: If you're going to like share your life, you also.
Speaker 2: Like it would be very limiting because of his lifestyle, like,
Speaker 2: and he says that he's like, I'd be a nightmare
Speaker 2: to be with. He's like, I'm a nightmare to be
Speaker 2: friends with sometimes wow, because he's like I've got to
Speaker 2: be in bed bait thirty like, you know, just lots
Speaker 2: of different things, very strict protocols in region.
Speaker 1: But he's happy.
Speaker 2: He's so happy, and he's doing it because he loves
Speaker 2: science and he loves research and he has the money
Speaker 2: to spend. We don't know what he could discover. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's using himself is the guinea pig. What's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's kind of dedicating as life to science.
Speaker 2: Literally, and I just think, like, why do we have
Speaker 2: such a problem with someone He's not saying what you're
Speaker 2: doing you shouldn't be doing. I mean, I guess he
Speaker 2: sort of is, but why are you taking that so personally?
Speaker 1: I think anytime someone does something like very extreme, it
Speaker 1: makes us think about what we're doing in our immediate
Speaker 1: reaction is to hate because we feel that we should
Speaker 1: be doing more.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a sensitivity thing. And I guess that's
Speaker 2: why I never get bothered by that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: because I'm not sensitive. I think it makes me think
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, it definitely made me look into getting
Speaker 2: one of those like things that you to track your
Speaker 2: sleep and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And then oh, like the ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Someone was like, how will that help you with
Speaker 2: that knowledge to know that you've been sleeping like shit?
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's a very valid point.
Speaker 1: I actually do agree with that. I had a fit,
Speaker 1: butit for a while and I just found that I
Speaker 1: got like too obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, you're never going to get a one hundred
Speaker 2: percent sleep. Yeah, But like, I just think he's very
Speaker 2: interesting person and I think that it's worth a watch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why not the only thing? And I am just going
Speaker 2: to say it because it really irritates me, And so
Speaker 2: if you also get irritated by that, probably not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he sounds like he needs to drink a glass of
Speaker 2: water when he talks. He's got a very dry sounding math,
Speaker 2: and it's probably something to do with all of the
Speaker 2: health stuff. Yeah, but it's quite irritating to listen to. Like,
Speaker 2: I just a'm glad you pointed that out. For everyone,
Speaker 2: Please just have a fucking sip of an oil even,
Speaker 2: just swill some oil in your mouth so you don't
Speaker 2: sound so like dry. I know that that's so random,
Speaker 2: but also I feel.
Speaker 1: Like people would notice it.
Speaker 2: People people notice these things. I'll stop. That's a lot
Speaker 2: of recommendations.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably a good place to stop.
Speaker 2: If you can't tell. I really enjoyed the break, just
Speaker 2: being able to absolve all this conversation.
Speaker 1: Other episodes that you can recommend things in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'll save the rest it then. Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess that really is all the time that we
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Speaker 2: She is bye bye