1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,465 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,505 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,265 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:19,425 --> 00:00:22,305 Speaker 3: I hate them all. I hate them all. I'm so sorry. 5 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:25,545 Speaker 1: I had a feeling you'd say this makeup is my therapy. 6 00:00:25,785 --> 00:00:28,785 Speaker 2: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel 7 00:00:28,825 --> 00:00:29,585 Speaker 2: guilty a body. 8 00:00:32,265 --> 00:00:35,025 Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for 9 00:00:35,065 --> 00:00:38,105 Speaker 4: your Face. I'm Aaron Dockerty and welcome to the formula. 10 00:00:38,825 --> 00:00:40,945 Speaker 4: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of 11 00:00:40,985 --> 00:00:43,305 Speaker 4: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into 12 00:00:43,305 --> 00:00:46,865 Speaker 4: their skincare routines. Now, if you're anything like me, you'll 13 00:00:46,905 --> 00:00:50,545 Speaker 4: know there's a whole mountain of skincare treatments available right now. 14 00:00:51,185 --> 00:00:52,985 Speaker 4: While they all sound like they're going to be just 15 00:00:53,025 --> 00:00:55,465 Speaker 4: the ticket to better skin, it can be mighty hard 16 00:00:55,465 --> 00:00:58,345 Speaker 4: to know what's actually good or suitable for. 17 00:00:58,305 --> 00:00:59,425 Speaker 1: Your own skin concerns. 18 00:00:59,905 --> 00:01:02,505 Speaker 4: So today we've brought in an expert who's going to 19 00:01:02,545 --> 00:01:04,825 Speaker 4: tell us once and for all, which are the best 20 00:01:04,825 --> 00:01:07,465 Speaker 4: treatments that are actually worth your money and the ones 21 00:01:07,545 --> 00:01:11,505 Speaker 4: that aren't. Yeah, it's Catchy is a dormal therapist, nutritionists 22 00:01:11,505 --> 00:01:16,105 Speaker 4: and expert beauty journalist who specializes in simplifying and demystifying 23 00:01:16,145 --> 00:01:19,145 Speaker 4: skin health. We actually had Yads on a few weeks 24 00:01:19,145 --> 00:01:22,145 Speaker 4: ago talking all things pregnancy skincare. We'll link that in 25 00:01:22,185 --> 00:01:24,465 Speaker 4: the show notes, and we brought her back on the 26 00:01:24,465 --> 00:01:26,905 Speaker 4: show today to talk about a big part of her 27 00:01:26,985 --> 00:01:30,945 Speaker 4: job as a dormal therapist, and that's treatments. Today we're 28 00:01:30,985 --> 00:01:33,585 Speaker 4: going to be deep diving into the best clinical treatments 29 00:01:33,625 --> 00:01:36,145 Speaker 4: for overall skin health. We'll be running through some of 30 00:01:36,145 --> 00:01:38,985 Speaker 4: the most popular treatments available and how they can help, 31 00:01:39,225 --> 00:01:42,145 Speaker 4: from peals to lasers to the one at home treatment. 32 00:01:42,305 --> 00:01:45,905 Speaker 4: Yads really need you to stop doing immediately. We'll discuss 33 00:01:45,945 --> 00:01:46,265 Speaker 4: it all. 34 00:01:47,105 --> 00:01:49,065 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skill. 35 00:01:49,185 --> 00:01:53,505 Speaker 1: But how Yad you're back. 36 00:01:53,905 --> 00:01:56,945 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us again on the formula. 37 00:01:57,105 --> 00:01:59,705 Speaker 4: I can't wait to get into another episode with you. 38 00:02:00,105 --> 00:02:03,305 Speaker 4: What are some of the most popular skin treatments available today? 39 00:02:03,945 --> 00:02:06,225 Speaker 2: I would have to say skin kneedling is definitely one 40 00:02:06,225 --> 00:02:09,225 Speaker 2: of the most popular treatments now. So many people come 41 00:02:09,265 --> 00:02:12,105 Speaker 2: into clin asking about it. It has minimal downtime, it 42 00:02:12,185 --> 00:02:15,065 Speaker 2: is everywhere. It's not for every skin, but it is 43 00:02:15,105 --> 00:02:18,465 Speaker 2: definitely one of the most popular available. I also love 44 00:02:18,505 --> 00:02:22,425 Speaker 2: treatments like laser genesis, fractionated lasers like Clear and Brilliant, 45 00:02:22,465 --> 00:02:25,345 Speaker 2: and chemical pills are just an easy way to look 46 00:02:25,385 --> 00:02:27,825 Speaker 2: after your skin with minimal downtime. You don't really need 47 00:02:27,865 --> 00:02:30,065 Speaker 2: to have really intense chemical pills all the time, but 48 00:02:30,625 --> 00:02:36,185 Speaker 2: they're really mainstream kind of treatments that most skins can tolerate. 49 00:02:36,465 --> 00:02:40,145 Speaker 4: I feel, especially with skin needling, like that has absolutely 50 00:02:40,225 --> 00:02:42,745 Speaker 4: blown up over the past year or so. I feel 51 00:02:42,745 --> 00:02:45,905 Speaker 4: like it's just become so much more mainstream. Why do 52 00:02:45,945 --> 00:02:48,465 Speaker 4: you think these treatments are so popular at the moment? 53 00:02:48,905 --> 00:02:51,905 Speaker 4: Do you think there's been like a shift towards less 54 00:02:51,945 --> 00:02:54,985 Speaker 4: invasive treatments as opposed to the use of injectibles and 55 00:02:55,025 --> 00:02:56,185 Speaker 4: fellers and stuff like that. 56 00:02:56,585 --> 00:02:59,345 Speaker 2: Definitely. I also think a lot of people don't want 57 00:02:59,345 --> 00:03:02,505 Speaker 2: the downtime. Nobody has downtime, Like nobody wants to come 58 00:03:02,505 --> 00:03:03,905 Speaker 2: in for a treatment and then have to spend a 59 00:03:03,905 --> 00:03:08,745 Speaker 2: whole week at home recovering. So technology has advanced so much. 60 00:03:08,905 --> 00:03:11,225 Speaker 2: I do feel like you can get really great results 61 00:03:11,225 --> 00:03:14,705 Speaker 2: with minimally invasive treatments like skin needling, like chemical peels 62 00:03:14,745 --> 00:03:17,465 Speaker 2: like laser genesis, so you can pop into clinic and 63 00:03:17,905 --> 00:03:21,665 Speaker 2: get these treatments done within an hour and go back 64 00:03:21,705 --> 00:03:24,105 Speaker 2: to work and keep going on with your life and 65 00:03:24,145 --> 00:03:25,865 Speaker 2: doing things that you need to do without having to 66 00:03:25,905 --> 00:03:28,625 Speaker 2: stay at home and recover. So people are looking for 67 00:03:28,905 --> 00:03:33,305 Speaker 2: minimally invasive treatments that actually deliver really great results. And 68 00:03:33,425 --> 00:03:36,185 Speaker 2: I do think that people are steering a little bit 69 00:03:36,345 --> 00:03:39,225 Speaker 2: further away from injectibles. But again, I am a dermal therapist. 70 00:03:39,265 --> 00:03:41,025 Speaker 2: I work in a skin health focused clinic. I don't 71 00:03:41,065 --> 00:03:44,305 Speaker 2: do injectibles, so my clientele is skin health focused. So 72 00:03:44,545 --> 00:03:46,345 Speaker 2: I guess I'm a little bit biased in that sense 73 00:03:46,385 --> 00:03:47,345 Speaker 2: because that's what I see. 74 00:03:47,425 --> 00:03:50,065 Speaker 4: And have you noticed any other trends when it comes 75 00:03:50,105 --> 00:03:53,265 Speaker 4: to consumers or clients walking through your doors? 76 00:03:53,425 --> 00:03:53,545 Speaker 1: Oh? 77 00:03:53,705 --> 00:03:57,025 Speaker 2: Yeah, budgeting, I don't know if that's a trend. Budgeting 78 00:03:57,225 --> 00:04:00,265 Speaker 2: is a big one. I feel like with the economic 79 00:04:00,305 --> 00:04:02,825 Speaker 2: climate at the moment, people don't want to be wasting 80 00:04:02,825 --> 00:04:05,305 Speaker 2: their money. So people are actually quite well researched when 81 00:04:05,305 --> 00:04:07,985 Speaker 2: they're coming into clinic. They know or have heard of 82 00:04:07,985 --> 00:04:11,105 Speaker 2: certain treatments that they want to be trying. I do 83 00:04:11,185 --> 00:04:12,785 Speaker 2: think there is a little bit of a no tox 84 00:04:13,145 --> 00:04:16,065 Speaker 2: movement happening at the moment, so a lot of women 85 00:04:16,065 --> 00:04:18,585 Speaker 2: are realizing that it's not the path for everyone. Not 86 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:21,025 Speaker 2: everyone needs to be going down the anti wrinkle route, 87 00:04:21,145 --> 00:04:23,225 Speaker 2: and we can actually age. 88 00:04:23,345 --> 00:04:24,745 Speaker 3: Well without it. 89 00:04:24,865 --> 00:04:26,905 Speaker 2: And I feel like for a big time it was 90 00:04:27,025 --> 00:04:30,505 Speaker 2: really popular, and especially you thinking back to twenty fifteen 91 00:04:30,545 --> 00:04:34,305 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, the way that injectual treatments were in mainstream 92 00:04:34,345 --> 00:04:37,425 Speaker 2: media and on celebrities and the whole look I think 93 00:04:37,545 --> 00:04:39,745 Speaker 2: is changing because of the clean aesthetic, so that skin 94 00:04:39,825 --> 00:04:42,905 Speaker 2: minimalism trend so that I'm a huge advocate for as 95 00:04:42,945 --> 00:04:44,905 Speaker 2: well as a dermal therapist, because we don't need ten 96 00:04:44,945 --> 00:04:47,865 Speaker 2: step routines. You know, people are very into their skin 97 00:04:48,465 --> 00:04:51,025 Speaker 2: and we'd want to look after ourselves, but we don't 98 00:04:51,145 --> 00:04:53,745 Speaker 2: need to be overdoing it to get results. 99 00:04:54,225 --> 00:04:54,905 Speaker 1: That's so true. 100 00:04:54,945 --> 00:04:57,745 Speaker 4: I feel like anti winkle injections just became like a 101 00:04:57,785 --> 00:05:00,705 Speaker 4: mainstream thing at one point and everyone we're just running 102 00:05:00,785 --> 00:05:04,345 Speaker 4: off to laser clinics and whatever and just getting treatments 103 00:05:04,385 --> 00:05:07,305 Speaker 4: really nearly. But yeah, I do definitely feel the same 104 00:05:07,345 --> 00:05:10,385 Speaker 4: way that there's been a big refocus on good skin 105 00:05:10,465 --> 00:05:12,945 Speaker 4: and skin health. Yeah, talk to me a little bit 106 00:05:13,025 --> 00:05:15,585 Speaker 4: about treatments. I want to get into the good stuff. 107 00:05:15,785 --> 00:05:18,825 Speaker 4: What are some of your favorite treatments for skin health. 108 00:05:19,425 --> 00:05:23,745 Speaker 2: There are actually so many I love chemical peels as 109 00:05:23,785 --> 00:05:27,545 Speaker 2: a really great introductory treatment because they can gently resurface 110 00:05:27,585 --> 00:05:30,265 Speaker 2: the skin. There are different chemical compounds that we use 111 00:05:30,305 --> 00:05:32,225 Speaker 2: in clinic at different strengths, so you don't need to 112 00:05:32,225 --> 00:05:35,145 Speaker 2: come in and worry about having your face falling off 113 00:05:35,145 --> 00:05:37,785 Speaker 2: for a whole week afterwards. Because we can use enzyme 114 00:05:37,785 --> 00:05:40,585 Speaker 2: based chemical exfoliance, we can do lack to gacid pills, 115 00:05:40,585 --> 00:05:44,785 Speaker 2: which are really great introductory treatments. I also love laser genesis, 116 00:05:44,865 --> 00:05:46,985 Speaker 2: so that is a laser that uses heat to boost 117 00:05:47,025 --> 00:05:49,665 Speaker 2: collagon production in the skin. Really really good for anyone 118 00:05:49,665 --> 00:05:51,345 Speaker 2: that has a little bit of redness in the skin, 119 00:05:51,705 --> 00:05:54,585 Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot of downtime rosato skins. It can 120 00:05:54,625 --> 00:05:57,865 Speaker 2: really help improve skin tone, It can help with acne concerns, 121 00:05:58,065 --> 00:06:01,905 Speaker 2: post inflammatory erythema. It honestly feels like warm rain on 122 00:06:01,945 --> 00:06:05,825 Speaker 2: the skin, and I would probably recommend it to mostly everyone. 123 00:06:05,465 --> 00:06:08,745 Speaker 4: With laser genesis. Like, how many sessions would you need 124 00:06:08,785 --> 00:06:10,585 Speaker 4: for something like this is? Is it dependent on your 125 00:06:10,625 --> 00:06:12,025 Speaker 4: skin concerns or No. 126 00:06:12,105 --> 00:06:14,305 Speaker 2: With laser genesis, you do need to be consistent. So 127 00:06:14,345 --> 00:06:16,905 Speaker 2: a lot of the evidence points to six sessions space 128 00:06:16,945 --> 00:06:20,465 Speaker 2: four weeks. Apart now in saying that you could do 129 00:06:20,625 --> 00:06:23,145 Speaker 2: a whole course of laser genesis and then just pop 130 00:06:23,185 --> 00:06:26,505 Speaker 2: in and maintain the results from that. And it really 131 00:06:26,505 --> 00:06:28,065 Speaker 2: depends on what you're trying to treat, you know, if 132 00:06:28,105 --> 00:06:30,785 Speaker 2: you're coming in for general rejoof and you're like, actually 133 00:06:30,985 --> 00:06:34,905 Speaker 2: my budget only allows for three sessions, we can couple 134 00:06:34,945 --> 00:06:36,905 Speaker 2: it with chemical peels. There are different ways to look 135 00:06:36,945 --> 00:06:40,025 Speaker 2: after your skin, so you don't have to be super 136 00:06:40,025 --> 00:06:43,145 Speaker 2: religious about getting treatments every four to six weeks, because 137 00:06:43,145 --> 00:06:44,905 Speaker 2: it's not realistic for a lot of people. They always 138 00:06:44,985 --> 00:06:47,145 Speaker 2: kind of equate it to going to the gym and eating. Well, 139 00:06:47,585 --> 00:06:50,105 Speaker 2: if you are not using the right skin care, you're 140 00:06:50,105 --> 00:06:52,385 Speaker 2: not going to get the results from your treatments. So 141 00:06:52,425 --> 00:06:55,745 Speaker 2: it's really important to be using the right skin care first. 142 00:06:55,945 --> 00:06:58,425 Speaker 2: If you are budgeting, spend your money on the right 143 00:06:58,425 --> 00:07:01,625 Speaker 2: skin care, and then kind of make room for treatments 144 00:07:01,665 --> 00:07:03,665 Speaker 2: where you can, because if you're getting treatments and then 145 00:07:03,745 --> 00:07:06,025 Speaker 2: just using the wrong skin care for your skin, it's 146 00:07:06,105 --> 00:07:06,985 Speaker 2: kind of a waste of money. 147 00:07:07,745 --> 00:07:11,145 Speaker 4: So you mentioned that laser gus is good for all 148 00:07:11,345 --> 00:07:14,505 Speaker 4: different skin concerns, So what would be some of the 149 00:07:14,585 --> 00:07:17,145 Speaker 4: main skin concerns that it would tackle. 150 00:07:17,225 --> 00:07:20,465 Speaker 2: Everything, so age management because it does boost collagen production 151 00:07:20,865 --> 00:07:23,185 Speaker 2: and helps minimize pores. So it can be really good 152 00:07:23,185 --> 00:07:25,625 Speaker 2: for general rejuvenation if you just want to look after 153 00:07:25,665 --> 00:07:28,585 Speaker 2: your skin, really good for rosata because it minimizes redness 154 00:07:28,625 --> 00:07:29,785 Speaker 2: in the skin. And then a lot of people do 155 00:07:29,865 --> 00:07:33,265 Speaker 2: tend to have like naturally flushed cheeks or their erosation 156 00:07:33,345 --> 00:07:35,545 Speaker 2: can flare because of different changes with the environment, So 157 00:07:35,625 --> 00:07:38,145 Speaker 2: doing treatments like laser genesis can really help kind of 158 00:07:38,145 --> 00:07:40,225 Speaker 2: diminish that and make it a little bit more manageable 159 00:07:40,225 --> 00:07:43,065 Speaker 2: for you. And it's also great for acne and acne scarring, 160 00:07:43,145 --> 00:07:45,705 Speaker 2: so because it minimizes the redness a lot of people have, 161 00:07:45,785 --> 00:07:48,145 Speaker 2: like that post inflammatory erthema, which are those little red 162 00:07:48,225 --> 00:07:52,345 Speaker 2: marks left over from acne breakouts, and doing lasers like 163 00:07:52,385 --> 00:07:54,465 Speaker 2: sometimes skin care can only take us so far. Doing 164 00:07:54,505 --> 00:07:57,705 Speaker 2: lasers like laser genesis can help minimize their appearance, and 165 00:07:57,825 --> 00:08:00,105 Speaker 2: that can be really beneficial for a lot of people 166 00:08:00,225 --> 00:08:03,505 Speaker 2: as well. And because it doesn't hurt and it feels 167 00:08:03,505 --> 00:08:07,025 Speaker 2: really nice, you're getting a really relaxing treatment as well, 168 00:08:07,225 --> 00:08:10,665 Speaker 2: which is nice. Some treatments do hurt a little bit uncomfortable. 169 00:08:10,745 --> 00:08:12,945 Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't always have to be burning your face 170 00:08:12,945 --> 00:08:15,585 Speaker 4: off treatment. It is nice when you can walk away 171 00:08:15,585 --> 00:08:18,505 Speaker 4: from that being like that actually felt nice on my skin. Yeah, 172 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:20,945 Speaker 4: tell me a little bit about Clear and Brilliant because 173 00:08:20,945 --> 00:08:23,705 Speaker 4: you mentioned it earlier. I've seen this everywhere and i 174 00:08:23,785 --> 00:08:26,065 Speaker 4: know it's been around for a while, but I've never 175 00:08:26,145 --> 00:08:28,625 Speaker 4: tried it. Give me a bit of a rundown about 176 00:08:28,625 --> 00:08:30,065 Speaker 4: what it is and who it's good for. 177 00:08:30,185 --> 00:08:33,345 Speaker 2: So Clear and Brilliant is a fractionated laser and it 178 00:08:33,385 --> 00:08:36,945 Speaker 2: basically uses tiny laser beams to create controlled injuries in 179 00:08:36,985 --> 00:08:39,425 Speaker 2: the skin. And when we're doing that, we're triggering that 180 00:08:39,465 --> 00:08:43,025 Speaker 2: collagen production, so it helps resurface the skin. Really good 181 00:08:43,065 --> 00:08:47,225 Speaker 2: for superficial pigment, general REDI if you've got an event on, 182 00:08:47,265 --> 00:08:49,385 Speaker 2: if you've got a wedding on, or if you want 183 00:08:49,385 --> 00:08:52,505 Speaker 2: to just prep for your partner's birthday or something. You know, 184 00:08:52,545 --> 00:08:55,105 Speaker 2: Clear and Brilliant is a really great treatment, most bang 185 00:08:55,145 --> 00:08:57,985 Speaker 2: for your buck. It does require numbing, so you can't 186 00:08:57,985 --> 00:09:00,665 Speaker 2: do it while you're pregnant. And there are two different 187 00:09:00,745 --> 00:09:01,625 Speaker 2: wavelengths with. 188 00:09:01,825 --> 00:09:02,785 Speaker 3: The actual device. 189 00:09:02,985 --> 00:09:05,745 Speaker 2: One way specifically targets pigment and the other one penetrates 190 00:09:05,745 --> 00:09:07,425 Speaker 2: a little bit deeper and It's really good for fine 191 00:09:07,465 --> 00:09:10,225 Speaker 2: lines and wrinkles and just anybody look for a bit 192 00:09:10,265 --> 00:09:13,505 Speaker 2: of age management hit. But it is a little bit uncomfortable. 193 00:09:13,585 --> 00:09:16,905 Speaker 2: It feels kind of like your entire face is on 194 00:09:17,025 --> 00:09:20,825 Speaker 2: fire at one points, like a sunburn, feeling like you've 195 00:09:20,825 --> 00:09:23,945 Speaker 2: grazed your face. That pain stays in the skin for 196 00:09:23,985 --> 00:09:27,625 Speaker 2: about two hours following the treatment, so I usually say 197 00:09:27,705 --> 00:09:29,945 Speaker 2: you need twenty four hours, like to not go into 198 00:09:29,985 --> 00:09:31,825 Speaker 2: work or if you can work from home. Like, you 199 00:09:31,825 --> 00:09:33,785 Speaker 2: don't want to get this treatment. It's one of those 200 00:09:33,825 --> 00:09:36,025 Speaker 2: treatments that you don't want to do every four weeks 201 00:09:36,065 --> 00:09:38,225 Speaker 2: throughout the year. You can do like a few treatments 202 00:09:38,305 --> 00:09:40,705 Speaker 2: a year, and it's just going to keep your skin 203 00:09:40,865 --> 00:09:42,825 Speaker 2: in check. Your barrier does need to be healthy. So 204 00:09:42,905 --> 00:09:45,785 Speaker 2: if you do have inflammatory acne rose sha, I probably 205 00:09:45,825 --> 00:09:48,425 Speaker 2: wouldn't be going down the fractionated laser root. 206 00:09:56,625 --> 00:09:58,665 Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit about micro needling. 207 00:09:58,905 --> 00:10:01,265 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want the rundown on why it's so good, 208 00:10:01,545 --> 00:10:04,345 Speaker 4: what kind of benefits it has for the skin, and 209 00:10:04,625 --> 00:10:06,745 Speaker 4: how much downtime you'd be expecting. 210 00:10:07,065 --> 00:10:09,065 Speaker 3: Well, it depends on each skin. 211 00:10:09,665 --> 00:10:12,465 Speaker 2: Micron needling basically, what we're doing is creating those controlled 212 00:10:12,505 --> 00:10:14,505 Speaker 2: injuries in the skin, but we're using needles instead of 213 00:10:14,505 --> 00:10:17,185 Speaker 2: a laser. That is really good for rejuvenating the skin. 214 00:10:17,425 --> 00:10:20,545 Speaker 2: So it kind of makes your skin feel plump and 215 00:10:20,865 --> 00:10:23,665 Speaker 2: healthy after a treatment. It can help with fine lines 216 00:10:23,705 --> 00:10:25,625 Speaker 2: and wrinkles, and pore size is a huge one. So 217 00:10:25,665 --> 00:10:28,345 Speaker 2: a lot of people have poor concerns and doing treatments 218 00:10:28,345 --> 00:10:31,185 Speaker 2: like micro needling can really help with those poor concerns 219 00:10:31,465 --> 00:10:33,985 Speaker 2: without having to go down the laser room. It doesn't 220 00:10:33,985 --> 00:10:37,345 Speaker 2: have a lot of downtime. It depends on how deep 221 00:10:37,705 --> 00:10:40,505 Speaker 2: and what concerns you're treating with the needling device. Because 222 00:10:40,665 --> 00:10:42,865 Speaker 2: some people come in and they just want general rejuvenation 223 00:10:42,945 --> 00:10:44,625 Speaker 2: with a micro needling treatment, so you don't need to 224 00:10:44,665 --> 00:10:45,345 Speaker 2: go really deep. 225 00:10:45,505 --> 00:10:46,385 Speaker 3: But sometimes if. 226 00:10:46,225 --> 00:10:49,905 Speaker 2: We're treating skin concerns like acne scarring, it might be 227 00:10:49,985 --> 00:10:51,865 Speaker 2: a little bit more. And what I mean by that 228 00:10:51,985 --> 00:10:54,145 Speaker 2: is maybe like twenty four forty eight hours, Like it's 229 00:10:54,145 --> 00:10:55,425 Speaker 2: not going to be a lot. Your face will be 230 00:10:55,505 --> 00:10:57,825 Speaker 2: quite red following the treatment. You don't need to be 231 00:10:57,905 --> 00:11:00,105 Speaker 2: read for days and days. Sometimes people do come in 232 00:11:00,145 --> 00:11:03,345 Speaker 2: with really bad needling experiences, and so if you're red 233 00:11:03,465 --> 00:11:05,905 Speaker 2: or bruised or bleeding, all of those things are not 234 00:11:06,225 --> 00:11:09,345 Speaker 2: a great result, but you generally just be a little 235 00:11:09,345 --> 00:11:10,985 Speaker 2: bit red for twenty four to forty eight hours and it 236 00:11:10,985 --> 00:11:13,345 Speaker 2: recovers quite quickly. No actives. You don't want to go 237 00:11:13,385 --> 00:11:15,585 Speaker 2: out and go for a giant run. You don't want 238 00:11:15,625 --> 00:11:17,065 Speaker 2: to go to hot yoga, you don't want to go 239 00:11:17,105 --> 00:11:19,625 Speaker 2: swimming or anything afterwards. I usually like to tell people 240 00:11:19,865 --> 00:11:22,905 Speaker 2: when we're doing clinical treatments, we're initiating the wound healing 241 00:11:22,985 --> 00:11:25,265 Speaker 2: response in the skin. You don't want to be going 242 00:11:25,265 --> 00:11:27,345 Speaker 2: on a bender the day after a treatment, do you 243 00:11:27,345 --> 00:11:28,985 Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, you want to really look 244 00:11:28,985 --> 00:11:30,825 Speaker 2: after your skin. You don't want to go home and 245 00:11:30,865 --> 00:11:33,265 Speaker 2: then just like plan a big night out or drink 246 00:11:33,305 --> 00:11:34,065 Speaker 2: a lot of alcohol. 247 00:11:34,185 --> 00:11:36,265 Speaker 3: Like, we just want to help our skin heel. 248 00:11:36,625 --> 00:11:40,185 Speaker 4: Obviously, there's so many at home devices on the market. 249 00:11:40,305 --> 00:11:42,265 Speaker 4: What do you think of the micro needling devices on 250 00:11:42,305 --> 00:11:42,945 Speaker 4: the market now? 251 00:11:43,425 --> 00:11:45,545 Speaker 3: I hate them all. I hate them all. 252 00:11:45,665 --> 00:11:47,265 Speaker 1: I'm so sord a feeling you'd say this. 253 00:11:47,465 --> 00:11:49,465 Speaker 2: I really think it's really hard for people to do 254 00:11:49,545 --> 00:11:51,985 Speaker 2: it themselves without knowing what to do. Like, the technique 255 00:11:52,225 --> 00:11:55,225 Speaker 2: needs to be on point, so you're not treating too 256 00:11:55,265 --> 00:11:56,985 Speaker 2: deeply into the skin. You need to be using the 257 00:11:57,025 --> 00:11:59,865 Speaker 2: right ingredients with your needling device, and the hygiene is 258 00:11:59,865 --> 00:12:02,265 Speaker 2: a huge one because even with that home derma rollers, 259 00:12:02,305 --> 00:12:04,145 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people would be derma rolling 260 00:12:04,145 --> 00:12:06,785 Speaker 2: and then just leaving it on their bathroom countertop like 261 00:12:06,825 --> 00:12:09,185 Speaker 2: and that really irks me as a dermal therapist because 262 00:12:09,225 --> 00:12:11,305 Speaker 2: you know you could come back and use it two 263 00:12:11,345 --> 00:12:13,105 Speaker 2: days later and be like, oh whatever, I just run 264 00:12:13,145 --> 00:12:15,625 Speaker 2: it under a little bit of water and their needles 265 00:12:15,665 --> 00:12:17,945 Speaker 2: that you're actually putting into your skin, and that's when 266 00:12:17,945 --> 00:12:21,265 Speaker 2: you're going to come up with issues with LED. 267 00:12:22,305 --> 00:12:25,145 Speaker 4: I know LED is so popular right now, I feel 268 00:12:25,185 --> 00:12:28,265 Speaker 4: like as well with at home options, there's so much available. 269 00:12:28,545 --> 00:12:31,465 Speaker 4: Give me a little run through of at home LED 270 00:12:31,625 --> 00:12:32,505 Speaker 4: versus in clinic. 271 00:12:32,785 --> 00:12:34,945 Speaker 2: Well, at home LED devices they're just not as strong 272 00:12:34,985 --> 00:12:37,585 Speaker 2: as in clinic and there's not as much evidence on them, 273 00:12:37,625 --> 00:12:40,345 Speaker 2: if any. I think I work online, I do online 274 00:12:40,385 --> 00:12:43,585 Speaker 2: consultations in clinic as well, and a lot of the 275 00:12:43,585 --> 00:12:46,185 Speaker 2: people that I consult with online aren't getting into clinic, 276 00:12:46,305 --> 00:12:48,265 Speaker 2: So I wouldn't write them off, is what I'm trying 277 00:12:48,305 --> 00:12:50,305 Speaker 2: to say. I just think that you've got to be 278 00:12:50,345 --> 00:12:52,545 Speaker 2: realistic about the results with that home devices, and you 279 00:12:52,585 --> 00:12:54,585 Speaker 2: need to be using them frequently, Like if you're getting 280 00:12:54,585 --> 00:12:56,305 Speaker 2: one and using it once a week, it's a total 281 00:12:56,305 --> 00:12:58,305 Speaker 2: waste of money. If you get one and you're using 282 00:12:58,305 --> 00:13:00,945 Speaker 2: it five times a week, potentially there's some benefit in 283 00:13:01,025 --> 00:13:04,025 Speaker 2: clinic devices though they do have evidence behind them and 284 00:13:04,185 --> 00:13:07,705 Speaker 2: they do equal really really healthy skin. So what we're 285 00:13:07,705 --> 00:13:11,465 Speaker 2: doing is essentially simulating and production. There's different wavelengths, and 286 00:13:11,505 --> 00:13:14,625 Speaker 2: the wavelengths so what target the different concerns. I do 287 00:13:15,265 --> 00:13:18,065 Speaker 2: love to couple it with other treatments because with infrared 288 00:13:18,105 --> 00:13:21,225 Speaker 2: like eight thirteen animeter wavelength, that can really help with 289 00:13:21,265 --> 00:13:23,585 Speaker 2: the skin healing. And so when I'm doing chemical peels, 290 00:13:23,625 --> 00:13:26,785 Speaker 2: I'll always do an LED treatment. When I'm doing laser genesis, 291 00:13:26,785 --> 00:13:28,865 Speaker 2: I'll do LED. I do like to do it with 292 00:13:28,905 --> 00:13:31,065 Speaker 2: all of my treatments, and it just helps that skin 293 00:13:31,105 --> 00:13:33,185 Speaker 2: healing process and so that you don't have as much 294 00:13:33,225 --> 00:13:36,945 Speaker 2: downtime because, like I said, nobody wants the downtime anymore. 295 00:13:37,065 --> 00:13:39,865 Speaker 2: Like people want to just have their treatments, get great 296 00:13:39,905 --> 00:13:42,865 Speaker 2: results really quickly and then go back. 297 00:13:42,705 --> 00:13:43,425 Speaker 3: To their lives. 298 00:13:43,825 --> 00:13:46,225 Speaker 2: And LED light therapy can definitely help that. And even 299 00:13:46,305 --> 00:13:49,265 Speaker 2: if you impair your barrier or if you've got perild dermatitis, 300 00:13:49,305 --> 00:13:52,305 Speaker 2: if you've got skin sensitivity, we can't be doing more 301 00:13:52,305 --> 00:13:55,865 Speaker 2: advanced treatments. LED light therapy you can do, and that 302 00:13:55,905 --> 00:13:58,105 Speaker 2: can really be helpful to the skin and just prepairing 303 00:13:58,145 --> 00:14:00,025 Speaker 2: it and getting it strong again so that you can 304 00:14:00,145 --> 00:14:02,465 Speaker 2: go down the advanced treatment path if you want to. 305 00:14:02,985 --> 00:14:04,265 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of LED. 306 00:14:04,425 --> 00:14:06,065 Speaker 4: I swear every time I get it, I walk out 307 00:14:06,105 --> 00:14:08,465 Speaker 4: of a clinic feeling like I've just got a new face. 308 00:14:16,825 --> 00:14:19,905 Speaker 1: Head, You've made one of the greatest discoveries. 309 00:14:19,345 --> 00:14:23,985 Speaker 4: Of all time, or a mess never again, never never. 310 00:14:24,625 --> 00:14:26,345 Speaker 1: I want to move on to hits and missus. 311 00:14:26,385 --> 00:14:27,825 Speaker 4: Now, this is going to be a bit of a 312 00:14:27,905 --> 00:14:30,185 Speaker 4: cheeky one to ask you, but if you had to 313 00:14:30,185 --> 00:14:30,745 Speaker 4: pick your. 314 00:14:30,705 --> 00:14:33,385 Speaker 1: Ultimate favorite treatment, what would it be? 315 00:14:33,545 --> 00:14:36,425 Speaker 4: And if you had to pick your least favorite treatment, 316 00:14:36,545 --> 00:14:37,225 Speaker 4: what would that be? 317 00:14:37,545 --> 00:14:39,425 Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm going to have a really germal therapist's 318 00:14:39,425 --> 00:14:42,545 Speaker 2: response for the first one. So the right treatment is 319 00:14:42,585 --> 00:14:45,065 Speaker 2: the one best one prescribed for your skin. I do 320 00:14:45,185 --> 00:14:47,625 Speaker 2: think all of the treatments are great. If I tell 321 00:14:47,665 --> 00:14:49,505 Speaker 2: you that kneedling is the best and you go in 322 00:14:49,745 --> 00:14:53,065 Speaker 2: and you have a really impaired barrier, obviously needling is 323 00:14:53,065 --> 00:14:54,985 Speaker 2: not going to be the best treatment on my own 324 00:14:55,025 --> 00:14:59,185 Speaker 2: skin with age management concerns and pigment as a focus. 325 00:14:59,225 --> 00:15:02,105 Speaker 2: I love chemical peals and I also love laser genesis 326 00:15:02,105 --> 00:15:04,545 Speaker 2: because it has really minimal downtime and we can couple 327 00:15:04,585 --> 00:15:07,385 Speaker 2: them together, so that is a really glowy treatment. It's 328 00:15:07,385 --> 00:15:10,065 Speaker 2: actually something that a lot of celebrities do before their 329 00:15:10,065 --> 00:15:12,825 Speaker 2: weddings and before red carpets, and it's a really great 330 00:15:12,865 --> 00:15:16,265 Speaker 2: way to boost collagen production in the skin with minimal downtime. 331 00:15:16,825 --> 00:15:19,465 Speaker 2: My least favorite, I'm going to say microdermibrations. 332 00:15:19,625 --> 00:15:22,825 Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, tell me why. 333 00:15:23,425 --> 00:15:26,825 Speaker 2: I think it's such an old out data treatment and 334 00:15:27,025 --> 00:15:27,945 Speaker 2: I just hate it. 335 00:15:28,025 --> 00:15:30,065 Speaker 3: I don't think it's great for a lot of skins. 336 00:15:30,665 --> 00:15:32,945 Speaker 2: I think there's just so many better treatment modalities now 337 00:15:32,985 --> 00:15:35,105 Speaker 2: you don't need to go down the microdembration path. And 338 00:15:35,145 --> 00:15:36,745 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of people do go down 339 00:15:36,745 --> 00:15:39,305 Speaker 2: the micropath because they've heard of it and they think 340 00:15:39,345 --> 00:15:41,145 Speaker 2: that it's good for the skin. But I actually see 341 00:15:41,145 --> 00:15:42,825 Speaker 2: a lot of issues with it in clinic. Obviously, I 342 00:15:42,865 --> 00:15:46,385 Speaker 2: don't have it as a treatment option, but instead of microdemibration, 343 00:15:46,785 --> 00:15:48,905 Speaker 2: like chemical peels would be so much better for the skin. 344 00:15:49,425 --> 00:15:51,905 Speaker 2: As technology advances, I do think that people need to 345 00:15:51,945 --> 00:15:52,905 Speaker 2: get with the times. 346 00:15:53,185 --> 00:15:56,385 Speaker 4: I got microdemibration years ago now, but I remember after 347 00:15:56,425 --> 00:15:59,745 Speaker 4: getting it, my skin barrier was just not happy. 348 00:16:00,185 --> 00:16:01,905 Speaker 3: If you're a sensitive skin person. 349 00:16:01,985 --> 00:16:06,305 Speaker 4: No microdemibration, You're on our naughty list. Thank you so 350 00:16:06,465 --> 00:16:10,065 Speaker 4: much for coming on the show again today. You're always 351 00:16:10,305 --> 00:16:12,705 Speaker 4: such a wealthy knowledge, so I really appreciate it. 352 00:16:13,185 --> 00:16:15,305 Speaker 3: I have loved being on. Thank you for having me. 353 00:16:15,865 --> 00:16:18,105 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening to the show today, 354 00:16:18,225 --> 00:16:20,945 Speaker 4: Ubis And remember, if you want more beauty and product 355 00:16:21,025 --> 00:16:24,425 Speaker 4: recommendations from myself and Lee Campbell, you can check out 356 00:16:24,425 --> 00:16:26,905 Speaker 4: our beauty newsletter. There's a link in the show notes. 357 00:16:27,265 --> 00:16:30,065 Speaker 4: The producer of You Beauty is Cassie Merritt, with audio 358 00:16:30,065 --> 00:16:33,465 Speaker 4: production by Lou Hill. Tune in tomorrow for Beauty Besties, 359 00:16:33,465 --> 00:16:35,665 Speaker 4: where Lucy and Key will be going down a beauty 360 00:16:35,745 --> 00:16:37,905 Speaker 4: rabbit hole with you and I'll see you again next 361 00:16:37,905 --> 00:16:40,985 Speaker 4: week for another deep dive with a big name in skin. 362 00:16:41,345 --> 00:16:44,025 Speaker 1: Bye.