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Speaker 1: MIA's daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 2: There's a fair.

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Speaker 1: Bit going on in America right now from the recent

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Speaker 1: To the granting of presidential immunity by the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: When we peer in from down here, it looks a

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Speaker 1: bit like chaos. A president who seems to be aging

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Speaker 5: Trump told lie after lie after life.

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Speaker 2: He never would have gotten away with that if Joe

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Speaker 1: But is it really as bad as the comedians and

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Speaker 1: comments tell us it is. We'll check in with Chas

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Speaker 1: Lichardello from Planet America for the lowdown, but before we

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Speaker 1: do that, let's get the latest from the Quickie Newsroom, Friday,

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Speaker 1: July five. Former Labor Senator Fatima Payman says it's insulting

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Speaker 1: after crossing the floor on the Palestinian statehood issue, says

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Speaker 1: Payment also rejected the insinuation that she was going to

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Speaker 1: referring to politics, but saying also in our media structures,

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Speaker 1: Rishi Sunak Conservative Party who've been in power since twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: Experts are predicting a huge swing to the Labour Party

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Speaker 1: Tinder Hinge, Bumble Grinder, RSVP and e Harmony are amongst

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Speaker 1: voluntary industry code. A study published in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: Kelly Valentine Henry, told the Should I Delete That Podcast

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Speaker 1: this election? What will happen to Joe Biden? And is

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Speaker 1: Criminal convictions and all. Recently, the incumbent president and the

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Speaker 1: But what we saw happen on that stage at TV

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Speaker 1: those who've been following these men's careers of late. But

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Speaker 5: I just won two club championships, not even senior. To

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Speaker 5: and I do it.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't do it. He can't hit a ball fifty yards.

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Speaker 3: And you've got my handicapped, Which one I was vice

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Speaker 1: The wash up of this debate is that many a

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Speaker 1: concern that Joe Biden's lack of mental presence means he's

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Speaker 3: Office dealing with everything we have to do with what

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Speaker 5: Thank you, President Biden.

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Speaker 2: But the question then is who takes over?

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Speaker 1: And at this point can anyone take the reins and

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Speaker 1: He also claimed those who support a woman's right to

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Speaker 1: But Biden's also been called out for saying some untruths

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Speaker 1: Chas Lichardelo, member of the Chaser Team and co host

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Speaker 5: Look, I think it's very unwise to say that election

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Speaker 1: Hard what do we do about a problem like Joe

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Speaker 2: So how do you fix this?

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Speaker 5: They're honestly no good solutions here, which is the problem

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Speaker 1: You mentioned there like subbing him out, then that would

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Speaker 4: That's a really good question.

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Speaker 5: The first thing I would say is that as the

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Speaker 4: Also, the other thing is Fox News.

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Speaker 5: They're good at what they do, and they knew when

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Speaker 1: Vice President Kamala Harris quoted a Kendrick.

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Speaker 2: Le More wrapsuck.

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Speaker 4: Okay, cringe worthy, not genuine.

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Speaker 5: So if you're a take a truckload of cliches and

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Speaker 2: Congratulations kamlahrst.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what she does all the This woman

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Speaker 4: So you add all that up, her numbers aren't great.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's switch sides now and have a look at Trump,

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Speaker 5: Well, look, the first thing I would say is that

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Speaker 5: And Donald Trump is the absolute reigning champion of a

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Speaker 4: Another thing which I think a lot of people who.

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Speaker 4: He says it all the time, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: if Donald Trump becomes president again, could he pardon himself

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Speaker 5: I think that there is a lot of uncertainty about

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Speaker 4: The devil's in the details with a lot of these judgments,

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Speaker 5: But there are a few things that are very very

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Speaker 4: Until now that was an open question. I think after

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's true to say they can do

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Speaker 4: Can pardon himself.

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Speaker 4: An eighty percent chance of winning the election. He's in

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Speaker 1: We here in Australia can look on in shock and

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Speaker 1: So how do we think they're actually handling it? Seeing

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Speaker 4: Think americans hate it.

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Speaker 5: That's including Republicans. By the way, I don't think Republicans

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Speaker 4: I think that every American has their own grievances.

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Speaker 5: They're all different grievances, but everyone agrees that things.

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Speaker 4: Aren't working the way they're meant to be working. Everyone

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Speaker 5: I've seen poles, very recent poles where seventy percent of

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Speaker 4: It's tough for them.

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