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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out loud and to our Friday show, which

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Speaker 2: It's just like will think of something new to say there?

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Speaker 2: Today is Friday, the sixth of September, and I'm Holly

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Speaker 2: Wayne right, I'm Mere Friedman.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And on the show today, how woo woo are you?

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Speaker 2: You see what I did there?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 2: I like rhyming like pums and silliness like we're not

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Speaker 2: pun but that's not a pum, that's just a rhyme.

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Speaker 1: Rhyming like doc.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit of Friday fun.

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Speaker 2: Why everything magical thinking is having a very big moment. Also,

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Speaker 2: we all have the same recommendation this week because we

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Speaker 2: went on a hot date together. But also for your

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Speaker 2: weekend pleasure, we have a book for you and a

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Speaker 2: little treat for your dog and head bumps, Geezer Rockers

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Speaker 2: and my new crush. It's best and worst. But first, Mia.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it. There's a lot to learn

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Speaker 1: from your period blood, and I've recently been reacquainted with mine,

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Speaker 1: which was not what I expected in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, that's not about my complete menopause. Whatder is thinking?

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Speaker 3: It's very weird's been going through fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Minutes starts that, it stops and starts, Jesse, My uterus

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Speaker 1: has very main character energy. Okay. Medical experts are now

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Speaker 1: drawing data out of tampons and pads, with some startups

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Speaker 1: hoping to shed light on some poorly understood diseases. This

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Speaker 1: is actually one of those things where you go, why

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Speaker 1: did no one think of this earlier? A special menstrual

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Speaker 1: pad has been designed with a removable strip to collect

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Speaker 1: blood samples for clinic tests. I have to actually go

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Speaker 3: And here's some blood I prepare elk. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who have phobias of needles, who faint friends.

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Speaker 2: We're not doctors. I don't know if the menstrual blood is.

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Speaker 2: You can literally just swap it out for the stuff

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Speaker 1: A company in the US has done some research that's

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Speaker 1: shown menstrual blood can be used not for everything. It

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Speaker 1: can be used to monitor blood sugar and cholesterol levels.

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Speaker 1: Because on any given day, I love this statistic. About

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Speaker 1: eight hundred million people around the world are on their period. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a lot of blood.

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Speaker 3: It's weird that we sample literally every other goo. You

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Speaker 3: It's not you do everything. Why have we been wasting

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Speaker 1: We swab cells from our cervix. You know now we

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Speaker 3: I read I was reading anybody do that? It's an article,

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Speaker 3: You won't believe this. There was an initial resistance to

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, So people are like other blood is fine.

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Speaker 1: Blood. Jermaine Greer, when she wrote The Female Eunich in

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Speaker 1: or you haven't lived unless you've tasted your own menstrul.

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Speaker 3: She said, if you consider yourself liberated, then may I

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Speaker 2: Listen to my internalized misogyny coming out all over MIA's lips.

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Speaker 3: Taro Tech and the Age of magical Feeling. I listened

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Speaker 3: You might have heard of an app called Coaster, which

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Speaker 2: Yes, bite, so I signed up? Did you sign up?

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Speaker 2: It immediately told me about NASA and how very accurate

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Speaker 2: You're over due for a wild and chaotic adventure, aren't

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Speaker 1: I went to the movies on Monday nights. I've had

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Speaker 3: Basically, it looks at your star sign, and it turns

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Speaker 3: And do we really believe in it? Holly? Did it

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Speaker 1: I see. So you're saying that religion can be harmful,

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Speaker 2: And yet Taro is not starting a lot of wars.

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Speaker 3: But is Taro symptomatic of a culture that has a

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Speaker 1: Jesse?

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Speaker 3: I see people who will tell you, who will lecture

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Speaker 3: of if you believe in something, then you've got to

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Speaker 3: in that, Like what's the factual evidence that each belief

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Speaker 3: And look, obviously every spiritual or religious text can be

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Speaker 2: What did your coastar say? I would like some explanation

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Speaker 2: She's cool, she's into coast. Come and tell us about coast.

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Speaker 2: How do I live my life? I want to live

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Speaker 4: Well, you just lean into it.

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Speaker 1: Where your dirty clothes? Today? Maybe wrap yourself?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe shop a little bit online for some estate sales.

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Speaker 2: Don't go near wet cement. Today is not the day

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Speaker 4: Online estate sales, no wet cement, however, it would be

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Speaker 2: No load bearing. Don't you get a thing up today? Nothing,

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Speaker 1: Give it to Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? Though, I can see the appeal

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm going this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Maybe like two on my star. Because I would not

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Speaker 3: So can I ask you both? In the podcast I

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Speaker 1: I'm quite worried, but I would never get my cards around.

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Speaker 1: I've never been to a so this is.

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Speaker 3: This is what the person said. And I want you

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Speaker 1: Of course?

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Speaker 2: Yes, see, this is the genie. I think that writers

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Speaker 2: Writers can learn a lot from psychics and taroor readers,

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Speaker 2: because good ones they're just good at reading people. So

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. There will be people getting offended by this,

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Speaker 2: my other side of my family. It's very psychic. But

438
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Speaker 2: I can since like you, and I could probably make

439
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Speaker 2: some guesses about the things I should.

440
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Speaker 3: Tell you about being at a cross roads. I'll tell

441
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Speaker 3: you that you are and you've.

442
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Speaker 2: Been going through a lot of changes.

443
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Speaker 1: And as a man, I can see a man probably.

444
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Speaker 2: Not ray hair, You're probably not getting any sleep, and yeah,

445
00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:36,167
Speaker 2: all the things. But the thing that's interesting about it

446
00:21:36,207 --> 00:21:38,247
Speaker 2: is I've got friends who are very into this stuff,

447
00:21:38,287 --> 00:21:40,167
Speaker 2: and they will travel around the city and they will

448
00:21:40,167 --> 00:21:43,887
Speaker 2: swap their tarow people and will do fairy cards when

449
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Speaker 2: we go away and stuff. I'd be so scared because

450
00:21:47,447 --> 00:21:49,967
Speaker 2: it often starts fights. Because when your friends read your

451
00:21:50,007 --> 00:21:53,327
Speaker 2: cards for you, there's always they've got their reasons. They're like, oh,

452
00:21:53,367 --> 00:21:54,927
Speaker 2: you have to stand up for yourself more. Yeah, you

453
00:21:54,927 --> 00:21:57,767
Speaker 2: should be standing up for I really think he pushes

454
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Speaker 2: you around.

455
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Speaker 1: Pull the card of standing up for yourself or like.

456
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Speaker 2: Whatever it is.

457
00:22:02,287 --> 00:22:03,727
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just your friends trying to have

458
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Speaker 3: an intervention with you about how much heat.

459
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Speaker 2: Be more generous. It's like, yes, because you never do

460
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Speaker 2: pay for dinner the fairies.

461
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Speaker 1: No, but you're a I mean, I imagine it's all

462
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Speaker 1: just written by AI. Right, well, it's about to be,

463
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Speaker 1: if it would be, I'm about to live my.

464
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Speaker 2: Whole life based on this.

465
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Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't hate that for it, but

466
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Speaker 1: I just think it sounds fun. I'm going to download it.

467
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Speaker 3: Can I ask? Because I feel like I've been very

468
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Speaker 3: judgmental of the tarot card readers and the people who

469
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Speaker 3: love their star sign. I am this coming from genuine place.

470
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Speaker 3: Can you explain to me the appeal and your relationship

471
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Speaker 3: with it and how much you believe it and how

472
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Speaker 3: it's useful to you to me too?

473
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Speaker 1: Me too.

474
00:22:38,767 --> 00:22:41,167
Speaker 2: The other place it crosses over very clearly with religion

475
00:22:41,247 --> 00:22:43,767
Speaker 2: is that when you are searching for something just how

476
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Speaker 2: to break up, to leave your job, you've lost someone

477
00:22:47,167 --> 00:22:50,007
Speaker 2: you are like, I gotta go to the psidekick because

478
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Speaker 2: we all want to believe there's some cress.

479
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Speaker 1: You're at a cross the race. I can see a

480
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Speaker 1: decision in your future.

481
00:23:02,407 --> 00:23:11,567
Speaker 2: Hell, it's Friday, that is its recommendation time. Who wants

482
00:23:11,607 --> 00:23:13,887
Speaker 2: to start off? Actually, let's start off with our group

483
00:23:13,927 --> 00:23:17,287
Speaker 2: wreco let's which I'm taking as my reco because I'm lazy.

484
00:23:17,607 --> 00:23:19,607
Speaker 2: So what did we do on Monday night? MAA?

485
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Speaker 1: On Monday night? I suggested, completely out of character, that

486
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Speaker 1: we go to the movies to see Blink Twice. I

487
00:23:24,487 --> 00:23:27,447
Speaker 1: can't remember how or why it was in our group chat.

488
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Speaker 1: We were talking about it. For some reason. I just

489
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Speaker 1: was evangelical because I'd been to the movies the week before,

490
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Speaker 1: so suddenly I'm hyper fixated on going to the movies.

491
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Speaker 2: We talked about it a little bit because of the

492
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Speaker 2: trigger warning situation. That's right, Blink Twice is a horror film.

493
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Speaker 3: So Mia said. Mia said, I absolutely hate horror films.

494
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Speaker 3: They're not my thing. That's why I thought it was interesting.

495
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Speaker 1: Why am I going?

496
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Speaker 2: We were like, why are we going to see a

497
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Speaker 2: horror film where men?

498
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Speaker 1: I nearly pulled the pin because I was very tired.

499
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Speaker 1: It was Monday. Who goes out on a Monday? And

500
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Speaker 1: then also I read I was listening to a review

501
00:23:57,407 --> 00:23:59,687
Speaker 1: and they were saying that there was a very graphic

502
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Speaker 1: six violence scene in it, you warned us. And then

503
00:24:02,447 --> 00:24:03,807
Speaker 1: I was like, guys, do we really want to go

504
00:24:03,847 --> 00:24:05,687
Speaker 1: and see it? And you guys are like yes, And

505
00:24:05,767 --> 00:24:08,767
Speaker 1: so I bought the tickets. We went along Monday night.

506
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Speaker 1: After we recorded the show. We all met there.

507
00:24:11,007 --> 00:24:14,127
Speaker 2: We all thought it was great, very top line on

508
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Speaker 2: this recommendation, So Asma said director by Zoe Kravitz, who's

509
00:24:17,287 --> 00:24:22,967
Speaker 2: an actor who's very impressive, good extraordinary direction, and this

510
00:24:23,167 --> 00:24:25,927
Speaker 2: movie is about top line. We're not gonna give you

511
00:24:25,967 --> 00:24:29,287
Speaker 2: any spoilers, but this movie is about appears to be

512
00:24:29,327 --> 00:24:32,687
Speaker 2: about two young women who go to an island, a

513
00:24:32,727 --> 00:24:38,207
Speaker 2: billionaire's island, with a charismatic but possibly sinister billionaire, and

514
00:24:38,527 --> 00:24:40,847
Speaker 2: there are other girls there and they think they're having

515
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Speaker 2: a great time, and then it appears, no, they are not.

516
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Speaker 3: That is kind of what it's about. One of the

517
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Speaker 3: best movies. I've definitely the best movie of the year

518
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Speaker 3: for me that I've seen in years, and I can't

519
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Speaker 3: stop thinking about it.

520
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Speaker 2: We're going on my island for a few days.

521
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Speaker 1: Do you guys want to come? Did we just jut

522
00:25:01,127 --> 00:25:03,167
Speaker 1: off to a billionaires island with a bunch of strangers.

523
00:25:03,247 --> 00:25:08,207
Speaker 1: This is not a stranger, he's Pulo King. But there

524
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Speaker 1: is it? Okay? Do your eye? Can't you feel it?

525
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Speaker 3: There's something back this place, you know when you walk out,

526
00:25:20,887 --> 00:25:22,927
Speaker 3: and you just need to read everything ever written. The

527
00:25:23,007 --> 00:25:25,967
Speaker 3: cast is phenomenal, had my attention the whole time.

528
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Speaker 2: Not everybody loves it. When we came out, googled our reviews.

529
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Speaker 2: They're mixed. I saw one about how this is the

530
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Speaker 2: latest in a line of me two movies and aren't

531
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Speaker 2: we fatigued with always assuming the worst about everybody?

532
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, it's very jeffreyps.

533
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Speaker 3: It's very If you've seen get Out, I would compare.

534
00:25:42,087 --> 00:25:44,807
Speaker 2: It together enormously so. And Zoe Kravitz says that she

535
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Speaker 2: was inspired by get Out very much, and so that's

536
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Speaker 2: a deliberate.

537
00:25:47,807 --> 00:25:50,847
Speaker 1: She's not in it. She wrote and directed her Tatum

538
00:25:50,927 --> 00:25:53,527
Speaker 1: is in it. And there's so much behind the scenes gossip,

539
00:25:53,567 --> 00:25:55,287
Speaker 1: which of course I read all about. They met when

540
00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:57,167
Speaker 1: he was cast. She didn't even know him, but she

541
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Speaker 1: wanted him for this role because she wanted someone really charismatic,

542
00:26:00,327 --> 00:26:01,487
Speaker 1: but then who could go dark.

543
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Speaker 2: The lead is a British actress called Naomi Aki. She

544
00:26:04,287 --> 00:26:07,087
Speaker 2: is amazing it. We loved it, but I would just

545
00:26:07,127 --> 00:26:09,847
Speaker 2: say trigger warning. I would recomon and it to you

546
00:26:10,247 --> 00:26:12,767
Speaker 2: if you can handle horror, if you can handle suspense,

547
00:26:13,407 --> 00:26:17,447
Speaker 2: and if you don't mind being like, oh, Mia spent

548
00:26:17,487 --> 00:26:19,887
Speaker 2: a lot of it looking away, not we've got past

549
00:26:19,927 --> 00:26:22,927
Speaker 2: cleaver and smart and funny and past it we did.

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Speaker 1: My reco is something completely at the other end of

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Speaker 1: the spectrum. It's something I've discovered on YouTube, a channel

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Speaker 1: called dog TV. And the way I discovered it is

553
00:26:32,567 --> 00:26:34,527
Speaker 1: that I was looking after Luna and she was a

554
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Speaker 1: bit sick and we got home and she just needed

555
00:26:37,447 --> 00:26:39,727
Speaker 1: very street to no screens. We don't do screens until

556
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Speaker 1: how old juicy.

557
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Speaker 3: Well, I said, before one, but then she got to

558
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Speaker 3: one and I was like, still, let's not.

559
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Speaker 1: Do so trying not to do screens, and I remembered

560
00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:49,767
Speaker 1: that the thing about screens, even from when my kids

561
00:26:49,767 --> 00:26:53,087
Speaker 1: were little, is that what's bad about them, particularly is

562
00:26:53,167 --> 00:26:56,647
Speaker 1: the very quick cuts that we're used to, and that

563
00:26:57,007 --> 00:26:59,367
Speaker 1: is very hard for little brains to process because they

564
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Speaker 1: need things to be quite slow. So there was some

565
00:27:02,567 --> 00:27:03,247
Speaker 1: videos that I.

566
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Speaker 2: Used to put this story taking me to a place

567
00:27:05,927 --> 00:27:10,007
Speaker 2: where you've asked for no screens. Grandma Mia just overrode it.

568
00:27:10,167 --> 00:27:11,847
Speaker 2: Shit turned the screens on.

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Speaker 1: You know.

570
00:27:12,247 --> 00:27:15,207
Speaker 3: It's a funny thing actually because at my house, Luna

571
00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:17,327
Speaker 3: gravitates towards the remote. The other day she put the

572
00:27:17,327 --> 00:27:19,327
Speaker 3: remote on and she knew how to put the Wiggles

573
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Speaker 3: on the TV.

574
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Speaker 1: And I never played the Wiggles.

575
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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't you, it was the other grandmother. So

576
00:27:24,087 --> 00:27:26,247
Speaker 3: I don't think my wishes are being respected. But you

577
00:27:26,247 --> 00:27:27,967
Speaker 3: know this is this is twenty twenty flock.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna apologize anyway. At my place, it's wholesome

579
00:27:31,047 --> 00:27:33,727
Speaker 1: fun with dog TV. So what dog TV is? It's

580
00:27:33,727 --> 00:27:35,407
Speaker 1: not even for children. Because I thought I'm going to

581
00:27:35,447 --> 00:27:37,127
Speaker 1: google maybe just some pictures of dogs.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was for dogs. It is for dogs.

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Speaker 1: That's what's so funny. Channel Dog. Each video is like

584
00:27:44,087 --> 00:27:47,367
Speaker 1: twelve or twenty four hours you put it on, and

585
00:27:47,407 --> 00:27:50,927
Speaker 1: it's actually to keep your dogs calm when you're not home.

586
00:27:51,007 --> 00:27:52,727
Speaker 2: What happens on it.

587
00:27:52,247 --> 00:27:53,967
Speaker 3: Dogs at the past.

588
00:27:54,047 --> 00:27:57,767
Speaker 1: So it's just dogs from in slow motion, all different dogs.

589
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Speaker 1: But like but with beautiful, calming piano music. And what

590
00:28:02,087 --> 00:28:04,687
Speaker 1: was funny is that Luna loved it. And because she

591
00:28:04,767 --> 00:28:07,327
Speaker 1: just never screens, Luna loved it. She didn't watch it

592
00:28:07,327 --> 00:28:09,167
Speaker 1: for long, but she was so sick. She just needed

593
00:28:09,327 --> 00:28:11,527
Speaker 1: She was just sad, and so she was just looking

594
00:28:11,527 --> 00:28:14,407
Speaker 1: at it for a bit and dog dog and also

595
00:28:14,527 --> 00:28:19,447
Speaker 1: my dog then started looking at it, got really into it,

596
00:28:19,767 --> 00:28:22,767
Speaker 1: and she has a Border Collie and then just started

597
00:28:22,807 --> 00:28:24,927
Speaker 1: standing up and looking at it. She didn't bark, but

598
00:28:25,007 --> 00:28:27,447
Speaker 1: she was like, I quite like this TV show too,

599
00:28:27,567 --> 00:28:31,407
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna try to get home background. Also, you know,

600
00:28:31,487 --> 00:28:33,207
Speaker 1: like if you're working and you want something on but

601
00:28:33,247 --> 00:28:37,607
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily want talking, it's incredibly calm.

602
00:28:38,167 --> 00:28:41,367
Speaker 2: I told her, next next time you pick up'll be

603
00:28:41,407 --> 00:28:41,887
Speaker 2: on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: It's not Jesse I'm afraid of. It's Luca. Jesse is

605
00:28:46,327 --> 00:28:51,127
Speaker 1: very tolerant of things. It's Luca who when I first

606
00:28:51,167 --> 00:28:53,367
Speaker 1: gave her some chocolate cake and sent the cute video,

607
00:28:54,127 --> 00:28:56,327
Speaker 1: Luca's response was not ideal.

608
00:28:58,527 --> 00:29:01,207
Speaker 2: You were like, how cute and gord her first chocolate cake.

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00:29:02,167 --> 00:29:02,887
Speaker 1: That's my eco.

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00:29:03,167 --> 00:29:06,127
Speaker 3: My recommendation is a book that I read a little

611
00:29:06,127 --> 00:29:09,087
Speaker 3: while ago and it's just come out this week. I

612
00:29:09,367 --> 00:29:11,367
Speaker 3: get sent a lot of books early to read, as

613
00:29:11,407 --> 00:29:14,207
Speaker 3: we've said with Leanne's, and I actually read very few

614
00:29:14,207 --> 00:29:16,167
Speaker 3: of them. That's not a lot of time. But I

615
00:29:16,207 --> 00:29:17,967
Speaker 3: opened this one and I couldn't stop reading it. It

616
00:29:18,047 --> 00:29:20,647
Speaker 3: is called All I Ever Wanted was to Be Hot

617
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Speaker 3: by Lucinda Price, who you might know as Frooms. She's

618
00:29:24,847 --> 00:29:27,047
Speaker 3: on Instagram and TikTok and everything.

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Speaker 1: I heard of her.

620
00:29:27,647 --> 00:29:31,247
Speaker 3: I think she's around my age, around thirty and great title.

621
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Speaker 3: Is it a memoir, Yes, it's a memoir, but it's

622
00:29:34,367 --> 00:29:37,047
Speaker 3: thematically this is the thing with someone like Frums like

623
00:29:37,167 --> 00:29:39,927
Speaker 3: I knew she was really funny. She's a comedian and

624
00:29:40,727 --> 00:29:42,647
Speaker 3: content creator. I knew she was funny. I didn't know

625
00:29:42,727 --> 00:29:46,527
Speaker 3: she could write. So when I started reading this and

626
00:29:46,727 --> 00:29:51,407
Speaker 3: saw how insightful she was, particularly about binge eating disorder

627
00:29:51,567 --> 00:29:55,047
Speaker 3: and plastic surgery, that kind of stuff, it was the

628
00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:58,887
Speaker 3: millennial slash sort of gen Z experience captured in this

629
00:29:59,327 --> 00:30:02,727
Speaker 3: was so refreshing. X I think you will.

630
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Speaker 1: So.

631
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Speaker 3: She has written about going to a plastic surgeon at

632
00:30:07,447 --> 00:30:09,767
Speaker 3: fifteen who confirmed to her that her no was too

633
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Speaker 3: big and she had a nose job at sixteen She

634
00:30:12,967 --> 00:30:17,047
Speaker 3: also says that one of her first coherent thoughts she

635
00:30:17,087 --> 00:30:20,247
Speaker 3: remembers having, which you've talked about me out, was I

636
00:30:20,287 --> 00:30:22,767
Speaker 3: should be blonde. I need to be blonde, like at five,

637
00:30:23,047 --> 00:30:25,207
Speaker 3: knowing that as a brunette, I'm a woman, I should

638
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Speaker 3: be blonde. And is she blond? She was blonde for

639
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Speaker 3: a bit. Now she's brunette again, which I think is

640
00:30:29,727 --> 00:30:33,967
Speaker 3: probably symbolic. But she said a friend said to her, oh,

641
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Speaker 3: can you send me that article you wrote a little

642
00:30:35,887 --> 00:30:37,247
Speaker 3: while ago, And she went on to Google, and you

643
00:30:37,287 --> 00:30:40,127
Speaker 3: know how Google auto predicts, So she wrote Frooms Diatada

644
00:30:40,367 --> 00:30:43,727
Speaker 3: and an auto predicted Froom's weight game. That's what everyone

645
00:30:43,727 --> 00:30:50,327
Speaker 3: had been googling. So she just writes about recovering from

646
00:30:50,367 --> 00:30:52,527
Speaker 3: an eating disorder, what it's like to then inhabit a

647
00:30:52,567 --> 00:30:55,607
Speaker 3: different body. She's done this clinical trial that's actually really

648
00:30:55,647 --> 00:30:58,607
Speaker 3: innovative and exciting. It's a really really good book. So

649
00:30:58,687 --> 00:31:01,207
Speaker 3: if you're in that generation, if you resonate with that,

650
00:31:01,527 --> 00:31:03,447
Speaker 3: which is at the first twenty to thirty years of

651
00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:07,527
Speaker 3: your life, especially where all I want is to be hot, yeah,

652
00:31:07,607 --> 00:31:09,247
Speaker 3: then this is for you.

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Speaker 1: Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of Mum

654
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Speaker 1: and me are out Loud just for Mumma me. As

655
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Speaker 1: subscribers follow the link in the show notes to get

656
00:31:18,847 --> 00:31:21,247
Speaker 1: your daily dose of out Loud and a big thank

657
00:31:21,327 --> 00:31:34,967
Speaker 1: you to everyone who is already subscribed. It's time for

658
00:31:35,007 --> 00:31:37,567
Speaker 1: our best and worst moments of the week, where we

659
00:31:38,247 --> 00:31:41,847
Speaker 1: look at our personal lives but not too personal. Although

660
00:31:41,887 --> 00:31:44,847
Speaker 1: maybe how's that for an introduction.

661
00:31:45,207 --> 00:31:46,167
Speaker 2: And that sounds exciting?

662
00:31:46,287 --> 00:31:48,567
Speaker 1: Holly, do you want to go first? What's your worst

663
00:31:48,607 --> 00:31:49,127
Speaker 1: of the week.

664
00:31:49,647 --> 00:31:51,527
Speaker 2: My worst of the week has actually been bringing me

665
00:31:51,567 --> 00:31:53,087
Speaker 2: a lot of joy, but it's also one of those

666
00:31:53,127 --> 00:31:55,007
Speaker 2: oh my god moments. My worst of the week is

667
00:31:55,047 --> 00:31:58,647
Speaker 2: the enormous global fuss about the Oasis reunion.

668
00:31:58,727 --> 00:31:58,967
Speaker 1: Right.

669
00:31:59,847 --> 00:32:01,287
Speaker 2: I don't think you two are very bothered about this

670
00:32:01,287 --> 00:32:04,487
Speaker 2: because it's not your world. But last Friday, the only

671
00:32:04,607 --> 00:32:06,967
Speaker 2: thing that was on the radio when I had the

672
00:32:07,047 --> 00:32:09,007
Speaker 2: radio on in the car and at home. The only

673
00:32:09,047 --> 00:32:11,327
Speaker 2: thing it was all over the internet on any British site.

674
00:32:11,407 --> 00:32:14,407
Speaker 2: The only thing anyway, was like Oasis are reforming, They're

675
00:32:14,407 --> 00:32:16,287
Speaker 2: doing all these shows in Britain and you're going to

676
00:32:16,327 --> 00:32:18,327
Speaker 2: be able to get tickets tonight. And then all the

677
00:32:18,447 --> 00:32:22,447
Speaker 2: gen X men in particular, but not only in England

678
00:32:22,487 --> 00:32:26,047
Speaker 2: lost their minds in a Taylor Swift esque fashion on Saturday.

679
00:32:26,167 --> 00:32:30,687
Speaker 1: Yes, I was online and our CEO she was like,

680
00:32:30,887 --> 00:32:34,447
Speaker 1: I can't talk. I'm in the middle of Oasis. Yes, Frenzy,

681
00:32:34,647 --> 00:32:36,367
Speaker 1: so can I just ask her? I didn't know what

682
00:32:36,407 --> 00:32:37,007
Speaker 1: she was talking about.

683
00:32:37,327 --> 00:32:39,767
Speaker 3: Those two brothers had had a big falling out.

684
00:32:39,967 --> 00:32:42,967
Speaker 2: So Oasis. If you do need any background, there was

685
00:32:43,007 --> 00:32:46,367
Speaker 2: a time in popular culture, particularly in Britain, but not

686
00:32:46,447 --> 00:32:50,367
Speaker 2: only when they were the biggest band in the world

687
00:32:50,487 --> 00:32:54,007
Speaker 2: in an all consuming way like pre internet, right really

688
00:32:54,487 --> 00:32:59,007
Speaker 2: but wonderful. Yeah, they had two albums that were absolutely

689
00:32:59,167 --> 00:33:01,327
Speaker 2: enormous and it was a soundtrack for a generation and

690
00:33:01,407 --> 00:33:03,647
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I can literally remember where I was

691
00:33:03,687 --> 00:33:06,407
Speaker 2: the first time I heard Oasis, like their first single,

692
00:33:07,007 --> 00:33:09,487
Speaker 2: and it became all consuming. And they're from Manchester, which

693
00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:11,007
Speaker 2: where I'm from, which was very exciting for all the

694
00:33:11,007 --> 00:33:14,527
Speaker 2: man unions anyway, blah blah. So they are reforming after

695
00:33:14,567 --> 00:33:17,287
Speaker 2: a very long hiatus because they don't talk. The guy

696
00:33:17,367 --> 00:33:19,127
Speaker 2: writes all the songs is Nold Gallagher. The guys the

697
00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:21,127
Speaker 2: front man is Liam Gallagher. They don't talk to each other.

698
00:33:21,167 --> 00:33:23,087
Speaker 2: They haven't talked to each other for ages. But to

699
00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:25,687
Speaker 2: be honest, if you don't just play along with the

700
00:33:25,687 --> 00:33:27,687
Speaker 2: fairy tale. They weren't doing that well by the time

701
00:33:27,687 --> 00:33:29,247
Speaker 2: they broke up, you know, like they had those two

702
00:33:29,287 --> 00:33:31,647
Speaker 2: albums that everybody was obsessed with and then they kind

703
00:33:31,687 --> 00:33:33,727
Speaker 2: of pitted it out a bit and they've both had

704
00:33:34,287 --> 00:33:38,367
Speaker 2: solo careers. But anyway, long story short, they're reforming these gigs,

705
00:33:38,407 --> 00:33:41,007
Speaker 2: biggest thing ever. But the reason why it's my worst

706
00:33:41,207 --> 00:33:44,247
Speaker 2: is because you get moments in time sometimes where it's

707
00:33:44,287 --> 00:33:46,487
Speaker 2: like you look in the mirror and you go, oh,

708
00:33:46,847 --> 00:33:50,687
Speaker 2: we're the old people now. I have such clear memories

709
00:33:50,687 --> 00:33:56,207
Speaker 2: of coming to Australia with my Oasis cassettes Hello in

710
00:33:56,247 --> 00:33:58,287
Speaker 2: my backpack and listening to them as I was driving

711
00:33:58,287 --> 00:34:00,847
Speaker 2: around the outpack and stuff. But also there are all

712
00:34:00,887 --> 00:34:04,767
Speaker 2: these great videos tiktoks of middle aged men trying to

713
00:34:04,807 --> 00:34:09,007
Speaker 2: get Owasis tickets, largely being assisted by their teenage and

714
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:13,007
Speaker 2: young adult daughters. That's crying their eyes out. And the

715
00:34:13,047 --> 00:34:15,927
Speaker 2: thing that's very men are crying their eyes out with

716
00:34:16,047 --> 00:34:18,847
Speaker 2: excitement that they get to go and see Oasis. And

717
00:34:18,887 --> 00:34:21,247
Speaker 2: the thing that's very confronting is that you look at

718
00:34:21,247 --> 00:34:23,127
Speaker 2: these men and you go, look at all those old blokes,

719
00:34:23,487 --> 00:34:25,647
Speaker 2: got all those old blokes and then you're like, oh

720
00:34:25,647 --> 00:34:28,567
Speaker 2: my god, those are my friends, that's my boyfriend, that's

721
00:34:28,647 --> 00:34:31,687
Speaker 2: my like we used to be the young core people

722
00:34:31,807 --> 00:34:34,487
Speaker 2: and now it's granddad having a cry on.

723
00:34:36,487 --> 00:34:38,287
Speaker 3: I was hearing this morning that there was a thing

724
00:34:38,327 --> 00:34:40,407
Speaker 3: where people were going, I can't believe Oasis is having

725
00:34:40,487 --> 00:34:42,967
Speaker 3: this big concept because you know they went viral for

726
00:34:42,967 --> 00:34:44,007
Speaker 3: thirty seconds on tickets.

727
00:34:44,007 --> 00:34:49,247
Speaker 1: Oh my god, play one song. Which song's gone viral?

728
00:34:49,927 --> 00:34:52,727
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but surely it's wonderful. It's like, I'm

729
00:34:52,727 --> 00:34:55,247
Speaker 2: obviously not going. Our CEO, Nat is going. She got

730
00:34:55,247 --> 00:34:57,167
Speaker 2: tickets to two. She's gone all the way to England

731
00:34:57,207 --> 00:34:59,807
Speaker 2: to watch them. But in Manchester and in Edinburgh are amazing.

732
00:34:59,847 --> 00:35:01,647
Speaker 2: So my worst was the reality check that is the

733
00:35:01,647 --> 00:35:04,647
Speaker 2: Oasis reunion. My best look. I was going to do

734
00:35:04,647 --> 00:35:06,647
Speaker 2: potatoes and then I just remembered that you two are

735
00:35:06,647 --> 00:35:07,967
Speaker 2: going to take the piss out of me. So I

736
00:35:08,007 --> 00:35:10,287
Speaker 2: found something else because my am potatoes at the weekend.

737
00:35:10,287 --> 00:35:13,727
Speaker 2: It was very exciting. I haven't done anything with them,

738
00:35:13,727 --> 00:35:16,567
Speaker 2: but the excitement was just that And I won't tell

739
00:35:16,567 --> 00:35:18,727
Speaker 2: you if you want to know, it's in my niche

740
00:35:18,767 --> 00:35:20,087
Speaker 2: veggie content on my Instagram.

741
00:35:20,247 --> 00:35:20,767
Speaker 1: That was great.

742
00:35:20,767 --> 00:35:24,967
Speaker 2: I loved it anyway, I found a new guilty pleasure

743
00:35:25,007 --> 00:35:26,767
Speaker 2: that crosses over as the eco. You know how, I'm

744
00:35:26,767 --> 00:35:29,927
Speaker 2: always very snooty about reality shows, always have been. There

745
00:35:30,007 --> 00:35:32,847
Speaker 2: is a genre of reality show that I have come

746
00:35:32,887 --> 00:35:35,647
Speaker 2: to embrace lately. When Brent's away or when I'm on

747
00:35:35,687 --> 00:35:38,207
Speaker 2: my own hotel, need a bit of calm down. I

748
00:35:38,327 --> 00:35:42,087
Speaker 2: watched those real estate ones from really fancy places.

749
00:35:42,287 --> 00:35:43,327
Speaker 3: Oh what have you been watching?

750
00:35:43,487 --> 00:35:46,087
Speaker 2: So my new one and this is my new crush, right,

751
00:35:46,607 --> 00:35:50,967
Speaker 2: I've discovered the Paris line. Yeah, you know how has

752
00:35:51,007 --> 00:35:52,447
Speaker 2: this been hiding from me for so long?

753
00:35:52,527 --> 00:35:54,527
Speaker 3: This is the higher brow selling Sunset.

754
00:35:54,647 --> 00:35:57,887
Speaker 2: Yes, it's called the Parisian Agency, right, And it's one

755
00:35:57,927 --> 00:36:02,327
Speaker 2: of those reality shows where charismatic real estate agents take

756
00:36:02,327 --> 00:36:04,487
Speaker 2: you around really fancy houses and then they build in

757
00:36:04,527 --> 00:36:06,567
Speaker 2: some bullshit reality storylines along the way.

758
00:36:06,687 --> 00:36:10,007
Speaker 1: I was just watching something met the Manhattan White.

759
00:36:10,047 --> 00:36:13,687
Speaker 2: I watched that too. The Paris one follows a family

760
00:36:14,167 --> 00:36:18,007
Speaker 2: who have four unbelievably hot suns Have you seen that?

761
00:36:18,447 --> 00:36:19,967
Speaker 1: Why did you not share it with me?

762
00:36:20,207 --> 00:36:22,687
Speaker 3: Because I just felt I was very into selling Sunset

763
00:36:22,727 --> 00:36:24,567
Speaker 3: and it just didn't do it for me. I felt

764
00:36:24,607 --> 00:36:27,087
Speaker 3: like maybe in the first episode, I didn't see enough houses.

765
00:36:27,127 --> 00:36:29,647
Speaker 1: They're speaking in Frinch, Yes, they are speaking in French.

766
00:36:30,087 --> 00:36:31,807
Speaker 2: But this family run a real list that They're all

767
00:36:31,887 --> 00:36:35,047
Speaker 2: very charismatic and beautiful and articulate, and they are showing

768
00:36:35,087 --> 00:36:37,967
Speaker 2: fancy people around beautiful French houses, and their four sons

769
00:36:38,007 --> 00:36:39,927
Speaker 2: all work in the family business. The very end mess.

770
00:36:40,047 --> 00:36:43,607
Speaker 2: You'd like that, and you'd like that mean, and all

771
00:36:43,647 --> 00:36:46,607
Speaker 2: of their sons are ridiculously good looking and speaking French.

772
00:36:47,167 --> 00:36:50,367
Speaker 2: So this is my dog TV. This is what I've decided.

773
00:36:50,687 --> 00:36:52,567
Speaker 2: I just want to put it on in the background

774
00:36:52,567 --> 00:36:54,647
Speaker 2: of my life and it makes me feel better about

775
00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:56,287
Speaker 2: the world. And that was my best of the week.

776
00:36:56,367 --> 00:36:56,687
Speaker 2: Thank you?

777
00:36:56,927 --> 00:36:59,007
Speaker 1: Where can I watch that Netflix? Oh?

778
00:36:59,007 --> 00:37:02,087
Speaker 2: Sorry, the Parisian Agency and there are I'm happy to

779
00:37:02,127 --> 00:37:05,367
Speaker 2: discover about four seasons. So that takes care of all

780
00:37:05,407 --> 00:37:07,967
Speaker 2: my mindless pleasure for the next year or so.

781
00:37:08,407 --> 00:37:10,247
Speaker 1: My worst of the week that I bumped my head

782
00:37:10,247 --> 00:37:12,887
Speaker 1: and it's a bruce, I know, thanks for telling me

783
00:37:13,047 --> 00:37:16,927
Speaker 1: along with everybody else. So I was in the room

784
00:37:16,927 --> 00:37:18,687
Speaker 1: where Lunas days when she comes over, and I was

785
00:37:18,767 --> 00:37:20,847
Speaker 1: unplugging the heat because it was very warm on the weekend.

786
00:37:21,087 --> 00:37:24,087
Speaker 1: I've got terrible spatial skills and I leant down to

787
00:37:24,207 --> 00:37:28,127
Speaker 1: unplug the heater, didn't see the window sill and clocked

788
00:37:28,207 --> 00:37:32,607
Speaker 1: my forehead on the window sill, like really saw stars.

789
00:37:33,207 --> 00:37:35,447
Speaker 1: And I just went, oh, you know, like I'm kind

790
00:37:35,447 --> 00:37:37,407
Speaker 1: of used to it, bumping into things and hurting myself,

791
00:37:38,207 --> 00:37:39,807
Speaker 1: kind of didn't really think much of it. I had

792
00:37:39,807 --> 00:37:41,927
Speaker 1: a little egg, but couldn't we bothered to get any ice,

793
00:37:42,007 --> 00:37:43,967
Speaker 1: just moved on with my life. No one really mentioned

794
00:37:44,007 --> 00:37:47,087
Speaker 1: it over the weekend. I forgot about it. Then by midweek,

795
00:37:47,207 --> 00:37:49,327
Speaker 1: which is like a good five days after it happened,

796
00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:52,367
Speaker 1: everyone at work started asking me about it. It was

797
00:37:52,447 --> 00:37:54,647
Speaker 1: over on the side and it like it started to

798
00:37:54,647 --> 00:37:57,447
Speaker 1: go like yellow and blue and all of that. And

799
00:37:57,487 --> 00:38:00,047
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that's weird. When you have

800
00:38:00,287 --> 00:38:04,287
Speaker 1: a bruise or an injury like that, people will kind

801
00:38:04,367 --> 00:38:08,847
Speaker 1: of make weird jokes about how you hurt yourself and

802
00:38:09,327 --> 00:38:11,807
Speaker 1: it's just a weird conversation to be in, and then

803
00:38:11,847 --> 00:38:14,207
Speaker 1: you find yourself telling what happened, and then and they're like, oh,

804
00:38:14,207 --> 00:38:16,767
Speaker 1: is that really And it's just been odd. It's been

805
00:38:16,807 --> 00:38:20,207
Speaker 1: an odd week. So that's my bumped head. My best

806
00:38:20,447 --> 00:38:24,887
Speaker 1: is that we finally have had our new chief content officer.

807
00:38:24,967 --> 00:38:27,527
Speaker 1: We've never had that role before. It's been part of

808
00:38:27,567 --> 00:38:30,967
Speaker 1: me trying to replace parts of myself at work, the

809
00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:33,527
Speaker 1: part that has to kind of be in charge of content,

810
00:38:33,927 --> 00:38:36,767
Speaker 1: which you both have been at various times, but you

811
00:38:36,847 --> 00:38:42,727
Speaker 1: both fucked off thanks a lot, like the music stops shit.

812
00:38:43,367 --> 00:38:47,287
Speaker 1: So I've tapped someone who is taking this on. It

813
00:38:47,327 --> 00:38:49,927
Speaker 1: basically is leaving the whole content side of the business. Huge,

814
00:38:49,967 --> 00:38:53,487
Speaker 1: huge job. And it happens to be after looking and

815
00:38:53,527 --> 00:38:55,407
Speaker 1: talking to all kinds of people and looking for the

816
00:38:55,447 --> 00:38:57,367
Speaker 1: right person for a few years. It's someone I used

817
00:38:57,367 --> 00:38:59,767
Speaker 1: to work with back in magazines. Her name is Zarah Curtis,

818
00:38:59,807 --> 00:39:03,687
Speaker 1: and what's so lovely about her starting and she's done

819
00:39:03,727 --> 00:39:06,087
Speaker 1: the most amazing thing since we worked together at Cosmo.

820
00:39:06,167 --> 00:39:08,047
Speaker 1: She was a sales director and I was the editor

821
00:39:08,327 --> 00:39:09,927
Speaker 1: and so we were real parts and is in crime

822
00:39:09,967 --> 00:39:13,207
Speaker 1: of running that business because magazines were businesses back then.

823
00:39:13,967 --> 00:39:18,127
Speaker 1: So she's gone and done extraordinary things since then in content,

824
00:39:18,287 --> 00:39:21,887
Speaker 1: in TV production and all these things. And we're back

825
00:39:21,927 --> 00:39:25,047
Speaker 1: working together, so she knows a whole lot of stuff.

826
00:39:25,047 --> 00:39:28,127
Speaker 1: But we've just got that easy rapport. And for me,

827
00:39:28,447 --> 00:39:31,047
Speaker 1: the hardest thing with working with new people is them

828
00:39:31,167 --> 00:39:35,207
Speaker 1: learning me. I'm an acquiet taste, and I can be

829
00:39:35,327 --> 00:39:40,887
Speaker 1: challenging to work with because I'm strange and I moved.

830
00:39:40,727 --> 00:39:43,087
Speaker 3: Fast and let let her talk.

831
00:39:43,327 --> 00:39:47,247
Speaker 1: I'm just eccentric and seems to jump in and say, yeah,

832
00:39:47,287 --> 00:39:51,647
Speaker 1: but you're lovely. No, I know I'm good things as well,

833
00:39:51,927 --> 00:39:55,647
Speaker 1: but I'm specific and I am reasonably unique. I mean,

834
00:39:55,687 --> 00:39:58,607
Speaker 1: we all are, so anyway, it's just so lovely that

835
00:39:58,647 --> 00:40:01,207
Speaker 1: she knows me, like she was just saying. She told

836
00:40:01,247 --> 00:40:04,727
Speaker 1: the story when we had an all hands meeting about oh,

837
00:40:04,767 --> 00:40:06,647
Speaker 1: I've already seen me as boobs. One of the first

838
00:40:06,687 --> 00:40:08,647
Speaker 1: things we had to go to a function together, and

839
00:40:08,647 --> 00:40:09,807
Speaker 1: we were in the back of the car going to

840
00:40:09,927 --> 00:40:12,367
Speaker 1: David Jones fashion show because they're a client, and she

841
00:40:12,527 --> 00:40:14,007
Speaker 1: just like whipped a bra off and put it in

842
00:40:14,047 --> 00:40:15,767
Speaker 1: my handbag, and it's like.

843
00:40:16,007 --> 00:40:18,167
Speaker 3: We've got that level of should have been arrested for

844
00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:20,047
Speaker 3: that different times.

845
00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:22,807
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome Zarah. And that's been my best of the week.

846
00:40:23,447 --> 00:40:26,127
Speaker 3: My worst, which kind of links to my best, is

847
00:40:26,127 --> 00:40:28,967
Speaker 3: that I have had a few weeks where there are

848
00:40:29,087 --> 00:40:34,287
Speaker 3: so many like family health issues. We met for Father's

849
00:40:34,367 --> 00:40:36,167
Speaker 3: Day on Sunday, and I think half the people there

850
00:40:36,167 --> 00:40:38,607
Speaker 3: had been to hospital in the last three weeks.

851
00:40:38,807 --> 00:40:39,847
Speaker 1: But I shouldn't laugh.

852
00:40:39,967 --> 00:40:42,247
Speaker 3: They were all there. Well you can laugh because they

853
00:40:42,247 --> 00:40:42,687
Speaker 3: were all there.

854
00:40:42,687 --> 00:40:43,687
Speaker 1: Thank you, sitting at the table.

855
00:40:43,687 --> 00:40:46,687
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Honestly, think about how hard they're working.

856
00:40:46,847 --> 00:40:50,207
Speaker 3: Half my family, just my family have been taking up press.

857
00:40:50,207 --> 00:40:53,447
Speaker 3: Your family's big, and my family is big. Anyway, that

858
00:40:53,527 --> 00:40:57,047
Speaker 3: links to my best which was Father's Day. My cousin

859
00:40:57,087 --> 00:41:00,367
Speaker 3: Simon's birthday is always around Father's Day, so he kind

860
00:41:00,367 --> 00:41:03,487
Speaker 3: of pulls focus. So we had a big cake for

861
00:41:03,567 --> 00:41:06,567
Speaker 3: him and everything. But it was the first year, so

862
00:41:06,647 --> 00:41:09,087
Speaker 3: lucas second Father's Day, but it was the first year

863
00:41:09,087 --> 00:41:13,127
Speaker 3: where Luna created something for him. So I've been going

864
00:41:13,127 --> 00:41:15,087
Speaker 3: to this place called Bubba Desk, which is the best

865
00:41:15,327 --> 00:41:18,927
Speaker 3: invention of all time, where I work downstairs and then

866
00:41:18,967 --> 00:41:20,567
Speaker 3: there's like a childcare center upstairs.

867
00:41:20,647 --> 00:41:22,447
Speaker 1: It's like a coworking space with childcare.

868
00:41:22,727 --> 00:41:25,367
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And so you can have a little monitor

869
00:41:25,407 --> 00:41:26,807
Speaker 3: where you can see them sleeping and then if they

870
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Speaker 3: need to call you, if they can go oh, actually

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Speaker 3: Luna's really upset or I can't get her down for

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Speaker 3: her sleep, they can message you.

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Speaker 1: Praise be. There should be one on every corner.

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Speaker 3: And there should be and like I can go and

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Speaker 3: visit her during the day, which I found was actually

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Speaker 3: not a great idea because then she gets sad on

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Speaker 3: I live again. So anyway, but when they were there,

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Speaker 3: they were like, we're going to do some crafts for

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Speaker 3: Father's Day. And they made the bane of every parent's

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Speaker 3: existence craft every parent, but particularly Luca Levine like his

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Speaker 3: thing about clutter and mess. They made a fridge magnet

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Speaker 3: and they so how cute is it? And they put

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Speaker 3: a paint brush in Luna's hand, and the story was

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Speaker 3: that she was so disgusted by the mess of the

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Speaker 3: paint and she didn't know what a fridge magnet was for,

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Speaker 3: and she hated the activity.

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Speaker 2: And I knew that Luca.

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Speaker 3: Would love that story, so I gave it to him

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Speaker 3: and I said, she is your daughter. She hates mess,

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Speaker 3: she hates sticky.

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Speaker 1: She she also hates clatter. She doesn't understand the purpose.

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Speaker 3: Now fridge, my dad will hate this. Yeah, so Luca

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Speaker 3: got given that I love and now it is the

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Speaker 3: single only thing on our fridge because I know every

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Speaker 3: time Luca looks at it and he's like, Luna, no

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Speaker 3: one understands me, Like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's so cute.

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Speaker 1: It's gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for today and this week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to all of you out louders for being

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Speaker 2: with us as we've got through another week. Please have

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Speaker 2: a lovely weekend. Thank you for listening. The executive producer

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Speaker 2: of Bahamia out Loud is Ruth Devine. Our senior producer

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Speaker 2: is Emmalin Ga Zillis Audio production from Leah Porge's, and

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Speaker 2: we have a wonderful social producer and Isabelle Dolphin.

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Speaker 1: Before we go, we often have little promos and we

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Speaker 1: tell you about what's on our subs episode. We thought

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Speaker 1: we try something different this week. We are giving you

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Speaker 1: a little taste of those subs episodes. You can subscribe

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Speaker 1: and listen to them in full by the link in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. So here's a little taste of Thursday's

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Speaker 1: subscriber episode where we did a little ask Me Anything

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Speaker 1: session and answered all your burning questions.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever just not feel like talking on the pod?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yes?

916
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Speaker 2: And what do you do to get into the zone again?

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Speaker 3: I remember this is my first month at Mamma Mia

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Speaker 3: and Lee Sales came in and she was doing a

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Speaker 3: Q and A and I went, I'm gonna ask for

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Speaker 3: a question, because I have one question I want to

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Speaker 3: ask someone like Lee Sayle's and I said, are you

922
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Speaker 3: ever not in the mood? Did you ever?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I asked her that question, you say, because I thought,

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Speaker 3: I don't understand how Lee Sales gets on television every night,

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Speaker 3: and like you've had a bad day, You've got per mess,

927
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Speaker 3: you've got a headache, you're shitty whatever, Like how are

928
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Speaker 3: you so even? How do you show up like that?

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Speaker 3: I remember her.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to the rest of that episode by

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Speaker 1: clicking the link in the show.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye by shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening.

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Speaker 2: If you love the show and you want to support us,

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Speaker 2: subscribing to Mamma Mia is the very best way to

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Speaker 2: do it. There's a link in the episode description.

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