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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Mama Mia out loud. It's what

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Speaker 2: women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the tenth of December. Shit,

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Speaker 2: it's my brother's birthday, you just realized. Lucky for me,

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Speaker 2: it's not today in England yet. All right, we're right back.

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Speaker 2: I had text to my brother.

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Speaker 3: I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm Amelia Laster and I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And here's what's on our agenda for today. A rock

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Speaker 2: star told an Australian audience member off and the response

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Speaker 2: was the ossiest thing you've ever heard. But is there

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Speaker 2: a good reason that no one knows how to behave

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Speaker 2: at concerts anymore?

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Speaker 1: And why is everybody trying to trick us? It really

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Speaker 1: does feel like twenty twenty five has been the year

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Speaker 1: of wading through a swamp of scams.

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Speaker 3: And adult content creator Bonnie Blue is facing fifteen years

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Speaker 3: imprisonment in So what exactly is she alleged to have done?

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Speaker 3: But first, in case you missed it, it's Justin Trudeau

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Speaker 3: and Katie Perry their Instagram official There's not a single

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Speaker 3: thing I don't love about this story. It's one of

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Speaker 3: my favorite things to have happened in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: It was only in April this year that Katie was

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Speaker 3: entering her astronaut era.

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Speaker 4: She was with Orlando and.

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Speaker 3: She was a laughing stock. Like I feel as though

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Speaker 3: she was sort of in a flop era. She was,

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Speaker 3: and it felt a bit ikey, the pylon, all of that,

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Speaker 3: and she's.

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Speaker 4: Turned it around.

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Speaker 3: So anyone who's on an in a flop era in

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Speaker 3: six months U two could be dating the former Prime

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Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting is that Justin was also

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Speaker 1: in his flop era. Like his political career did not

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Speaker 1: end exactly in Blazers of Glory. So I feel like

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Speaker 1: both of them have lifted each other up.

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Speaker 3: See I didn't follow his political career as closely as

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Speaker 3: I could.

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Speaker 1: Have, but I feel I'm here for Jesse.

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Speaker 4: Well, I feel like generally I feel warm towards him politically.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's very handsome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's it, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So what happened was Katie uploaded a carousel and one

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Speaker 3: image was them, a selfie of their faces squish together.

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Speaker 3: It was a really nice one. There was another way

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Speaker 3: she was eating sushi and he was looking at her.

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Speaker 2: Love adoringly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, loved it.

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Speaker 2: It might have been looking at the sushi adoringly too

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Speaker 2: because they were in Japana, but that sushi was.

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Speaker 4: Yes, because she's touring in Japan.

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Speaker 1: Went deep on this. That sushi restaurant in that carousel

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Speaker 1: is the same sushi restaurant people think as the one

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Speaker 1: that she went to with Orlando on New Year's Eve

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Oh no, And all that she posted

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Speaker 1: from that was just this silent video of them toasting

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Speaker 1: with their saco glasses. Very different vibe.

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Speaker 3: No no, I didn't feel like things were good. They've

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Speaker 3: been together for ten years, they were engaged her in Orlando.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what Orlando's up to, and I don't

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Speaker 3: care because Katie is just having a moment. And this

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Speaker 3: came after Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kashita shared a picture

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Speaker 3: of him and his wife end quote Justin Trudeau and

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Speaker 3: his partner.

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Speaker 4: While they were in Japan.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm obsessed with when girlfriend slash boyfriend becomes partner.

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Speaker 4: I love partner.

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Speaker 2: Don't we need longer than three months to become partner?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I think this indicates it serious. But

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Speaker 3: the internet got very grumpy about the picture because the

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Speaker 3: four of them are standing there and they're not happy

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Speaker 3: with what Katie was wearing. Amelia, can you describe what

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Speaker 3: the fuss was about.

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Speaker 1: I'm not happy about what Katie was wearing, and I

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Speaker 1: love them as a couple, you know I do. But

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Speaker 1: she was wearing this brown tweed mini skirt suit and

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Speaker 1: the skirt was very shorty reminded me of when I

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Speaker 2: She had stocking with.

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Speaker 2: That's de mule, that's practically demure. I dined skirt with stockings.

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was inappropriate for meeting a farm

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Speaker 1: ahead of state. I love that. Justin's caption was, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Forumia for your friendship and your continued commitment to both

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Speaker 1: the international rules based order and making it a better plan.

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Speaker 2: She should have won.

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Speaker 1: The rules based order she does.

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Speaker 2: She should have worn her spacesuit. That would have been

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Speaker 3: If you told Katie that six months ago, she'd be

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Speaker 3: getting a pick. In fact, her hard launch of her

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Speaker 4: I don't think she could have named.

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Speaker 3: The poor woman did not have a wardrobe full of

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Speaker 2: It's a pant suit. Now she's a political wife.

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Speaker 3: That was the closest thing she had was a mini skirt,

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Speaker 3: and I think she looked just lovely.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was fine. I have another update on

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Speaker 2: the couple's front. It's from Pammy.

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Speaker 4: You know I've had that, Holly, I have had it

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Speaker 2: Jes because remember, for a brief period this year, we

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Speaker 2: were all obsessed with Papara Anderson liamnes in them. Were

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Speaker 2: they or weren't they pashing? They were pashing on TV

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Speaker 2: and then they'd be like, oh, we've been caught because

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Speaker 2: they were in a movie together naked gun. I think

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Speaker 2: it's the fifth one or something. Nobody saw it. We

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Speaker 2: didn't need an update, but we've got one. And Pammy

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Speaker 2: has given an interview for people where she expressed upset

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Speaker 2: that people thought this was a stunt. Let me just

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Speaker 2: read you a little bit of what she said about this.

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Speaker 2: If you must know, she said, I must know, If

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Speaker 2: you must know, Liam and I were romantically involved for

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Speaker 2: a short while, but only after we'd finished filming. She says,

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Speaker 2: we spent an intimate week together at his home in

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Speaker 2: upstate New York, during which time he chased away a

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Speaker 2: bear from the kitchen window while wearing a towel. She

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Speaker 2: said that, yes, also she had her own room.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't sound very.

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Speaker 2: Both of their assistants came, she said, even family stopped by.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting to see the bear.

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Speaker 2: We went to dinner at a tiny French restaurant, where

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Speaker 2: he introduced me as the future missus.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, there is so much she's going to tell us

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Speaker 2: Order, she said. If you thought you needed more detail,

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Speaker 2: which you didn't, but this is I appreciate this detail.

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Speaker 2: I tended to a rose bush overgrown with mint mints everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Guys like, don't put mint in your beds. It gets everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Pammy's found this out.

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Speaker 1: In your bed. They didn't have the same bed, holly.

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Speaker 2: Bed. You need to keep it in apart. Anyway, Pammy

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Speaker 2: knows this, but she says, I always was laughing when

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Speaker 2: people thought, oh, that's a publicity stunt. I'm like a

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Speaker 2: publicity stunt. This is real. We have real feelings. I

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Speaker 2: adore Liam. And then she just adds, but we are

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you know how like the telltale sign of

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Speaker 3: a liar is that people are over explaining and giving

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Speaker 1: Restaurant.

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Speaker 3: That's just not true. I'm tired, I'm irritable. It's December.

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Speaker 3: I've had enough of you two committing to this ruse.

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Speaker 4: We were tricked. We know we were tricked. Leave it.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, even with the runaway Mint detail,

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Speaker 2: the maths doesn't math because they filmed that movie in

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Speaker 2: the northern summer of last year, twenty twenty four. So

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Speaker 2: they finished filming that in June twenty twenty four, at

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Speaker 2: which point they went away for the intimate week. Because

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Speaker 2: she said it was just after we finished filming. They

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Speaker 2: were only passion on the Telly three months ago. So

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Speaker 2: even if you did have an intimate week, Patty where

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Speaker 2: you dealt with his mint, you are film You know.

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Speaker 3: What I'm doing the second I walk out of this

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Speaker 4: I guess that to her credit. Okay, that's the detail

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Speaker 4: that could corroborate.

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Speaker 2: When does Mint like to book?

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Speaker 4: You know who's.

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Speaker 1: Having more than just an intimate week an intimate year,

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Speaker 1: Timmy Challa May and Kylie Jenner.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't love them all.

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Speaker 1: This is my couple that I want to bring to

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Speaker 1: the chat because I am obsessed with them. They appeared

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Speaker 1: this week at the premiere of Timmy's new table tennis

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Speaker 1: movie tell Us what they were wearing, matching traffic cone

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Speaker 1: both wearing orange shoes even and I just couldn't stop staring.

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Speaker 1: Dressing to the it was very look at moy and

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Speaker 1: I have to say that I'm happy to give them

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Speaker 4: I cannot look away from these, Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand them. I'm bamboozled by it, but I

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Speaker 4: Look I believe in it.

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Speaker 1: Let me just unpack why they seem so ill suited

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Speaker 1: She is an influencer. No one understands the Internet better

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Speaker 2: Then she made a really mysterious video about how they

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Speaker 1: So she's basically like the queen of influencers. And he

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know that he's a real ad.

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Speaker 1: He he's a critically a claimed everyone loves him.

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Speaker 2: This is why I love them, because I don't understand it.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the record on out loud several times as

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Speaker 2: saying one of the things that people struggle with about

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Speaker 2: this is if they've been snobby about Jenna, then this

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Speaker 2: that she's more interesting than we give her credit for

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Speaker 2: and he's less interesting than we give him credit for.

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Speaker 2: And they meet the little glorious orange mesh. But also,

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Speaker 2: what I like about this I'm learning to understand is

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Speaker 2: that it used to be had to pick Alane your

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Speaker 2: artist or your like high profile tabloid relationship. You can't

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Speaker 2: be both. And He's like, fuck the rules, this is

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Speaker 2: my woman, and I love her yeah, you expect him.

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Speaker 3: To be with some kind of indie French film you

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Speaker 3: do actress, and the fact that's Kylie Jenna just kind

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Speaker 3: of works for me. Can we please have a quick

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Speaker 3: prediction twenty twenty six this time next year, are they

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Speaker 3: still together?

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Speaker 4: I'm going to put I am gonna put it on

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Speaker 4: the record.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. You know what, a month ago,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have said they would have made this year

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Speaker 2: together because there are a lot of breakup rumors. But

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Speaker 2: I think there may be the little relationship that could.

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Speaker 2: And Gwyneth and I just have to say that the

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Speaker 2: fact that on Christmas Day a movie is being released

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Speaker 2: that has Timothy Shalomye and Gwyneth Paltrow making out might

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Speaker 1: It's just strange because she is Scottish, she has bright

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Speaker 1: Come on god, yeah, that was so unfair. What are

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that's certainly part of it, because every

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Speaker 4: I mean, one theory would obviously.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy, the one who rather it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like what's behind that is clearly main character energy.

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Speaker 4: He just wants his viral moment.

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Speaker 3: Right, and he's using famous people and concerts and the

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Speaker 2: And get your fifteen minutes of fair exactly, especially if

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Speaker 1: Yes, I went on a bit of a journey with

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Speaker 1: And also he wasn't really, It wasn't really. But then

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that after the assassination of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 3: It so true, And I wonder too, because there's this

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Speaker 3: So many, which means there's massive issues with organization, with

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Speaker 2: It was Oasis too, And I think what's interesting about

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Speaker 2: But I'm like people say that concert etiquette is unspoken.

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Speaker 2: It's like we have an unspoken agreement of how to

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Don't we need or

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Speaker 3: You know how we were even talking about airlines recently

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Speaker 1: And constant tickets have gotten more experiences.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. If I have paid hundreds of dollars for my

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Speaker 4: And I turn up and I missed the first six.

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Speaker 2: How mad do you think Shirley was in Brisbane when

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Speaker 2: At that point, it's just like I'm no longer in control.

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Speaker 2: A lot of artists have had the things thrown at them.

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Speaker 2: That's happening everywhere. It's happening in America. Cardib punched somebody

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Speaker 3: To be fair in a moment, Bonnie Blue is in

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Speaker 1: I have. I don't really know who Bonnie Blue is.

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Speaker 3: Bonnie Blue is most famous for her sex stunts and

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Speaker 3: She famously slept with more than a thousand men in.

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Speaker 1: Twelve hours documentary about us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and she also Schoolies has been a moment where

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Speaker 2: She's English, right, and so why is she? Yes? Well,

442
00:22:09,074 --> 00:22:12,594
Speaker 2: because Schoolies is a particularly Australian phenomenon, and there are

443
00:22:12,634 --> 00:22:16,594
Speaker 2: also a lot of English people here backprackice and stuff,

444
00:22:16,634 --> 00:22:20,594
Speaker 2: So I think that there's a connection there, But she's English.

445
00:22:20,874 --> 00:22:22,874
Speaker 2: The documentary one of the stunts she was doing was

446
00:22:22,954 --> 00:22:25,474
Speaker 2: very much in London. But Schoolies has become a date

447
00:22:25,514 --> 00:22:28,234
Speaker 2: in the calendar, not only for her but for several

448
00:22:28,274 --> 00:22:31,594
Speaker 2: other of the adult content influencers to come and use

449
00:22:31,634 --> 00:22:33,754
Speaker 2: it as kind of a flagship to make content.

450
00:22:33,954 --> 00:22:36,313
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then some of the stunts, like she had

451
00:22:36,354 --> 00:22:38,994
Speaker 3: this idea of this human petting zoo where people could

452
00:22:38,994 --> 00:22:41,194
Speaker 3: do what they want to her and only fans. I

453
00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:44,513
Speaker 3: mean there's back and forth over what was the last straw,

454
00:22:44,594 --> 00:22:47,714
Speaker 3: but only fans eventually pulled the plug And when you're.

455
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Speaker 1: Breaching out to it, when did they do that?

456
00:22:50,434 --> 00:22:54,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this was last year, relatively recently, and

457
00:22:54,194 --> 00:22:56,274
Speaker 3: they said we don't endorse stunts.

458
00:22:56,394 --> 00:22:58,354
Speaker 4: We're done with stunts. They knew it was bad for

459
00:22:58,394 --> 00:22:58,834
Speaker 4: their brand.

460
00:22:59,554 --> 00:23:02,634
Speaker 3: So look, she was actually kicked out of Australia because

461
00:23:02,674 --> 00:23:05,234
Speaker 3: she've had the wrong visa or something like that. So

462
00:23:05,994 --> 00:23:07,954
Speaker 3: Schoolies comes around and she's like, what am I going

463
00:23:08,034 --> 00:23:11,194
Speaker 3: to do? And she goes to Bali right where a

464
00:23:11,234 --> 00:23:13,033
Speaker 3: few people go for quite a lot of people go

465
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Speaker 3: for school yep, and she.

466
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Speaker 1: By the way, we did not go internationally for schools, and.

467
00:23:18,834 --> 00:23:20,594
Speaker 2: Fiji is also big for schoolies.

468
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Speaker 3: Now she's banned from Fiji to last week. She's in

469
00:23:23,954 --> 00:23:27,033
Speaker 3: Kango in Bali and she posted social media. She says

470
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Speaker 3: those that are going to schoolies and to those who

471
00:23:29,754 --> 00:23:32,394
Speaker 3: are barely legal, cannot wait to meet you. And I'm

472
00:23:32,434 --> 00:23:36,554
Speaker 3: in Bali, so you know exactly what that means. Right now,

473
00:23:36,594 --> 00:23:39,714
Speaker 3: she has this infamous bang bus is what it's called,

474
00:23:39,874 --> 00:23:42,554
Speaker 3: and that is written on the bus. It is going

475
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Speaker 3: through the streets of Bali and according to news dot

476
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Speaker 3: com dot Au, a local expat reported her he was.

477
00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:51,114
Speaker 1: Actually looked like a mini van. But yeah, I guess

478
00:23:51,194 --> 00:23:54,514
Speaker 1: bang minivan doesn't have this expat.

479
00:23:54,554 --> 00:23:56,714
Speaker 4: We don't know if it's a here or she said.

480
00:23:56,874 --> 00:23:59,514
Speaker 3: Bonnie Blue wasn't very hard to find because of they

481
00:23:59,594 --> 00:24:04,114
Speaker 3: just followed the van and when authorities turned up to

482
00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:08,593
Speaker 3: the residents, they found Blue and fifteen Australian citizens as

483
00:24:08,594 --> 00:24:12,154
Speaker 3: well as two British citizens and arrested them all. Now

484
00:24:12,514 --> 00:24:17,074
Speaker 3: important context is that Indonesian law strictly bans the production,

485
00:24:17,314 --> 00:24:21,474
Speaker 3: the distribution and the public display of pornographic material. It

486
00:24:21,554 --> 00:24:24,954
Speaker 3: is illegal to even watch pornography in Indonesia. It is

487
00:24:25,034 --> 00:24:29,354
Speaker 3: part of their morality laws. It is a largely Muslim country.

488
00:24:29,954 --> 00:24:32,234
Speaker 3: They have very kind of strict rules around this kind

489
00:24:32,274 --> 00:24:34,834
Speaker 3: of thing. And local police say that when they arrived

490
00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:38,114
Speaker 3: at this resident they found several cameras and several contraceptive

491
00:24:38,114 --> 00:24:41,874
Speaker 3: devices and you know, it looked like some lubricant and

492
00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:44,874
Speaker 3: some lubricant stuff was going to go down. Now. If

493
00:24:44,914 --> 00:24:48,754
Speaker 3: prosecuted and found guilty, Bonnie Blue faces up to fifteen

494
00:24:48,834 --> 00:24:51,874
Speaker 3: years in prison or a fine of half a million

495
00:24:52,074 --> 00:24:56,674
Speaker 3: Ossie dollars. According to News Corps, she has since been released.

496
00:24:56,714 --> 00:25:01,074
Speaker 3: She's cooperating with authorities, and one legal expert they interviewed

497
00:25:01,114 --> 00:25:04,954
Speaker 3: said that his guests would be she's deported and she's

498
00:25:04,994 --> 00:25:08,954
Speaker 3: not allowed back, rather than you know, serving any time

499
00:25:09,034 --> 00:25:09,474
Speaker 3: or anything.

500
00:25:10,274 --> 00:25:12,994
Speaker 4: Look, this story is absolutely everywhere.

501
00:25:13,194 --> 00:25:15,954
Speaker 2: It's interesting because the thing is is Bonnie Blue, and

502
00:25:16,074 --> 00:25:18,714
Speaker 2: as I said before, some other sort of similar adult

503
00:25:18,754 --> 00:25:21,514
Speaker 2: content creators are at a level now where there has

504
00:25:21,554 --> 00:25:24,074
Speaker 2: to be some level of corporation around this, right, there's

505
00:25:24,074 --> 00:25:27,714
Speaker 2: a lot of money changing hands. She's very very famous

506
00:25:27,754 --> 00:25:31,634
Speaker 2: because it seems like a very basic idea, like lots

507
00:25:31,674 --> 00:25:34,234
Speaker 2: of schoolers go to Bali Barley's a party place. Let's

508
00:25:34,274 --> 00:25:37,034
Speaker 2: go to Barli. You can do anything there, Whereas anybody,

509
00:25:37,034 --> 00:25:40,834
Speaker 2: particularly from Australia knows that that's not really true. Like

510
00:25:40,954 --> 00:25:42,754
Speaker 2: plenty of people have gone into lots of trouble in

511
00:25:42,834 --> 00:25:47,434
Speaker 2: Bali for breaching different laws and customs, So it's interesting.

512
00:25:47,474 --> 00:25:49,513
Speaker 2: The other thing that's interesting to me is I read

513
00:25:49,554 --> 00:25:51,634
Speaker 2: the full quote from I think it was a woman

514
00:25:51,754 --> 00:25:55,513
Speaker 2: who allegedly snitched on Bonnie Blue. The whole language I

515
00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:59,074
Speaker 2: saw in the reporting, which is again a funny term

516
00:25:59,114 --> 00:26:02,714
Speaker 2: to use, because she was driving around a relatively small

517
00:26:02,754 --> 00:26:05,674
Speaker 2: island in a bang bus and broadcasting.

518
00:26:05,034 --> 00:26:07,114
Speaker 4: At top I can see those videos.

519
00:26:07,554 --> 00:26:10,394
Speaker 2: But she went out of a way. The unnamed woman

520
00:26:10,674 --> 00:26:13,274
Speaker 2: who dabbed her in as the language goes to say

521
00:26:13,314 --> 00:26:15,793
Speaker 2: that she had no judgment. She has no judgment, but

522
00:26:15,914 --> 00:26:19,114
Speaker 2: she said the business community doesn't want it here. Then

523
00:26:19,194 --> 00:26:22,314
Speaker 2: she's obviously an EXPAC community member. The EXPAC community doesn't

524
00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:25,754
Speaker 2: want it. The local community can't even comprehend it. Pornography

525
00:26:25,794 --> 00:26:29,194
Speaker 2: is illegal here, Producing pornography is illegal here. Working without

526
00:26:29,194 --> 00:26:31,794
Speaker 2: a proper permit is illegal here. And we don't want

527
00:26:31,834 --> 00:26:34,914
Speaker 2: Bonnie Blues Bang from Bali being posted and shared around

528
00:26:34,914 --> 00:26:37,754
Speaker 2: the world. What people do behind closed doors is one thing,

529
00:26:38,034 --> 00:26:40,313
Speaker 2: but doing it publicly and then promoting it around the

530
00:26:40,314 --> 00:26:44,074
Speaker 2: world is too much. What I found interesting about that

531
00:26:44,274 --> 00:26:46,513
Speaker 2: is that, as I say, she was being reported in

532
00:26:46,514 --> 00:26:49,754
Speaker 2: lots of places as the snitch who dobbed in Bonnie Blue,

533
00:26:50,034 --> 00:26:52,114
Speaker 2: but also that she did have to go to lots

534
00:26:52,154 --> 00:26:54,354
Speaker 2: of lengths to say I don't have any judgment no

535
00:26:54,474 --> 00:26:57,553
Speaker 2: judgment here, which is the way and rightly so. But

536
00:26:57,594 --> 00:27:00,474
Speaker 2: it's like how we all feel when we talk about

537
00:27:00,514 --> 00:27:03,513
Speaker 2: these things, is you're like, I have no problem with

538
00:27:03,514 --> 00:27:06,033
Speaker 2: what ever Bonny Blue's doing. But the thing is is

539
00:27:06,074 --> 00:27:09,634
Speaker 2: that there is some thing just so unsettling about it.

540
00:27:10,554 --> 00:27:13,394
Speaker 2: For me, what's unsettling, and I've said this before is

541
00:27:13,434 --> 00:27:16,314
Speaker 2: about the boys. It's about the boys and the men.

542
00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:18,714
Speaker 2: Like I think, the fact that there are so many

543
00:27:18,754 --> 00:27:20,354
Speaker 2: wherever she goes in the world who are so willing

544
00:27:20,394 --> 00:27:24,394
Speaker 2: to participate in this says a great deal about porn culture,

545
00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:27,914
Speaker 2: and it's not surprising that it makes headlines all the time.

546
00:27:27,954 --> 00:27:31,874
Speaker 3: But then the bare illegal language as well is deeply unsettling.

547
00:27:31,994 --> 00:27:36,114
Speaker 3: And these men had they were wearing like McDonald's bags

548
00:27:36,114 --> 00:27:37,754
Speaker 3: on their heads and trying to masked.

549
00:27:37,514 --> 00:27:40,474
Speaker 2: Men always they're always covering their faces. In the documentary,

550
00:27:40,514 --> 00:27:43,074
Speaker 2: we got a lot of shots of their shoes. People.

551
00:27:43,434 --> 00:27:48,674
Speaker 2: There's something so unsettling about cues of masked men waiting.

552
00:27:48,994 --> 00:27:50,674
Speaker 2: It's very unsettling.

553
00:27:50,354 --> 00:27:51,834
Speaker 4: Because they're ashamed.

554
00:27:52,034 --> 00:27:56,554
Speaker 3: But the way that phrase is used, they're not.

555
00:27:56,514 --> 00:27:59,354
Speaker 2: Ashamed, Jesse. They'll be sharing that everywhere. They just don't

556
00:27:59,354 --> 00:28:02,914
Speaker 2: want people they know, like their mothers, to see their trouble.

557
00:28:03,074 --> 00:28:03,314
Speaker 4: Yeah.

558
00:28:03,474 --> 00:28:06,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, I came across a tea chok the other day

559
00:28:06,274 --> 00:28:08,554
Speaker 3: that made me realize I'm not the only one who

560
00:28:08,594 --> 00:28:11,914
Speaker 3: has no idea why some bananas have some red at

561
00:28:11,914 --> 00:28:12,274
Speaker 3: the end.

562
00:28:13,234 --> 00:28:16,073
Speaker 1: I needed this because I didn't know why. Okay, I

563
00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:18,954
Speaker 1: just thought they were expensive and green, all right.

564
00:28:18,994 --> 00:28:21,874
Speaker 3: I didn't even notice the price. I just went and

565
00:28:21,914 --> 00:28:23,073
Speaker 3: I've never bothered to look it up.

566
00:28:23,154 --> 00:28:23,394
Speaker 1: Right.

567
00:28:23,554 --> 00:28:26,434
Speaker 3: There was this video on TikTok and it features tourists

568
00:28:26,554 --> 00:28:30,274
Speaker 3: in a supermarket with the question can someone Australian explain

569
00:28:30,314 --> 00:28:31,194
Speaker 3: what the hell is going on?

570
00:28:31,234 --> 00:28:32,554
Speaker 1: Here was one of them, surely Man.

571
00:28:33,634 --> 00:28:36,714
Speaker 2: The other one was Blondie Blue, both.

572
00:28:36,794 --> 00:28:41,914
Speaker 3: Very irritable, and a content creator named Nick White helpfully

573
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:45,794
Speaker 3: responded and here's what he said, Trilian here, so those

574
00:28:45,954 --> 00:28:48,874
Speaker 3: are the bananas with the red bits at the end

575
00:28:48,874 --> 00:28:50,034
Speaker 3: of them.

576
00:28:50,634 --> 00:28:51,274
Speaker 2: Hope that helps.

577
00:28:52,194 --> 00:28:53,674
Speaker 4: That would be exactly my answer.

578
00:28:53,834 --> 00:28:57,034
Speaker 3: That has a bit of red wax. Okay, can I

579
00:28:57,034 --> 00:28:59,914
Speaker 3: get because I still haven't looked this up. It keeps

580
00:28:59,914 --> 00:29:04,434
Speaker 3: a banana together. It's wax that helps with.

581
00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:08,074
Speaker 1: Emotional support, scaffolding for the exactly right.

582
00:29:08,354 --> 00:29:08,834
Speaker 2: It's like.

583
00:29:10,434 --> 00:29:12,634
Speaker 3: Pregnant people use a belly band. It's like a belly

584
00:29:12,634 --> 00:29:13,514
Speaker 3: band for a banana.

585
00:29:13,634 --> 00:29:15,354
Speaker 2: No, it's not, that's not it.

586
00:29:15,834 --> 00:29:18,674
Speaker 1: Why why can we just explain why we're asking? She

587
00:29:18,834 --> 00:29:20,274
Speaker 1: is the banana correspondent.

588
00:29:20,394 --> 00:29:21,354
Speaker 4: You grow bananas.

589
00:29:22,634 --> 00:29:25,434
Speaker 2: I don't grow bananas. But back when I was a

590
00:29:25,434 --> 00:29:27,914
Speaker 2: little backpacker, I worked on a banana farm in fin

591
00:29:27,954 --> 00:29:29,994
Speaker 2: North Queensland. It was very exciting.

592
00:29:30,274 --> 00:29:32,154
Speaker 1: This is my respectable Brits.

593
00:29:32,594 --> 00:29:37,274
Speaker 3: They go and they picked the bananas.

594
00:29:37,554 --> 00:29:39,954
Speaker 2: That wasn't a thing there and no one would have

595
00:29:39,954 --> 00:29:44,594
Speaker 2: wanted to see me in my overalls because here's something

596
00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:47,554
Speaker 2: you don't know about bananas. Banana sapp it never comes out,

597
00:29:47,714 --> 00:29:50,034
Speaker 2: never comes out of your overalls. Never anyway.

598
00:29:50,034 --> 00:29:51,794
Speaker 4: It would smell quite nice, wouldn't it fruity?

599
00:29:52,194 --> 00:29:54,794
Speaker 2: Yeah, look it does. Working on a banana farm was

600
00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:56,874
Speaker 2: there were lots of rats and I don't know how

601
00:29:57,354 --> 00:30:00,074
Speaker 2: rodents there are lots of rats. There were lots of snakes.

602
00:30:01,034 --> 00:30:03,874
Speaker 1: Were the overalls kind of she can LEVI I was wearing.

603
00:30:04,434 --> 00:30:07,114
Speaker 2: I was wearing because it was the nineties, because I'm young.

604
00:30:07,354 --> 00:30:11,154
Speaker 2: I was wearing the little denim cut off ones. And

605
00:30:11,314 --> 00:30:16,274
Speaker 2: they did get bananas. Anyway, we digressed. They mark that

606
00:30:16,314 --> 00:30:19,794
Speaker 2: those bananas are organic. The red ones are more expensive

607
00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:23,474
Speaker 2: because they're more ethically eco grown. They're eco organic bananas,

608
00:30:23,474 --> 00:30:24,354
Speaker 2: and that's what they are.

609
00:30:24,434 --> 00:30:25,714
Speaker 1: And they tend to be smaller.

610
00:30:25,874 --> 00:30:28,194
Speaker 2: Is that because they have They tend to be because

611
00:30:28,234 --> 00:30:32,554
Speaker 2: they are the organic bananas? And I thought everybody knew this.

612
00:30:32,834 --> 00:30:35,594
Speaker 3: So you wouldn't put a sticker on it because that's

613
00:30:35,594 --> 00:30:36,314
Speaker 3: not very organic.

614
00:30:36,354 --> 00:30:38,114
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, doesn't it drive you crazy that there's a

615
00:30:38,114 --> 00:30:39,314
Speaker 2: sticker around every piece of fruit?

616
00:30:39,354 --> 00:30:41,314
Speaker 1: But here's how you remember, it's like tisnal, It's like

617
00:30:41,354 --> 00:30:43,394
Speaker 1: a candle. It's a banana.

618
00:30:43,514 --> 00:30:43,994
Speaker 4: There you go.

619
00:30:44,794 --> 00:30:47,674
Speaker 2: Ah. And also that means that that you know how

620
00:30:47,954 --> 00:30:50,114
Speaker 2: on some dating they used to be a thing that

621
00:30:50,314 --> 00:30:53,754
Speaker 2: which way up your bananas were in the cart meant

622
00:30:53,754 --> 00:30:56,114
Speaker 2: that you were single or you were married or not married.

623
00:30:56,114 --> 00:30:59,474
Speaker 2: But taken well, if you've got the red bananas facing

624
00:31:00,954 --> 00:31:06,274
Speaker 2: Oh and ethical and maybe vegetation.

625
00:31:07,274 --> 00:31:09,794
Speaker 4: Wow, do you buy the organic?

626
00:31:10,914 --> 00:31:14,834
Speaker 2: I don't. I should, yeah, but I don't. But that's

627
00:31:14,874 --> 00:31:16,834
Speaker 2: what they're for. And I didn't know that was an

628
00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:18,354
Speaker 2: Australian only thing. But there you go.

629
00:31:18,474 --> 00:31:20,434
Speaker 1: Can we make this a regular segment where we just

630
00:31:20,474 --> 00:31:23,034
Speaker 1: asked questions about bananast lot.

631
00:31:23,354 --> 00:31:25,794
Speaker 2: I have one more thing to tell you that before

632
00:31:25,834 --> 00:31:29,074
Speaker 2: my banana picking days, my Saturday job as a teenager

633
00:31:29,114 --> 00:31:31,714
Speaker 2: was in a green Grossers in Manchester and we used

634
00:31:31,714 --> 00:31:33,554
Speaker 2: to open boxes of bananas that had come from the

635
00:31:33,554 --> 00:31:38,394
Speaker 2: West Indies and sometimes spiders that had made it all

636
00:31:38,434 --> 00:31:41,394
Speaker 2: the way from the West Indies to cold, rainy Manchester.

637
00:31:41,474 --> 00:31:44,034
Speaker 1: And this is pre red tip right, No, there.

638
00:31:44,074 --> 00:31:46,634
Speaker 2: No red tip bananas in that shop. Anything else we

639
00:31:46,714 --> 00:31:48,234
Speaker 2: need to know. No, I didn't think so.

640
00:31:48,314 --> 00:31:50,714
Speaker 4: Okay, that's really I thought it was an aesthetic choice.

641
00:31:50,754 --> 00:31:57,074
Speaker 4: But I'm glad to know. Yeah, exactly right. The banana

642
00:31:57,154 --> 00:31:57,914
Speaker 4: chose a hat.

643
00:32:01,034 --> 00:32:05,794
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Speaker 3: that's what counts for me.

660
00:33:05,834 --> 00:33:09,034
Speaker 1: Will gather around the camp fire, pretend that I'm shining

661
00:33:09,074 --> 00:33:11,954
Speaker 1: a torch underneath my chin. I am about to tell

662
00:33:11,994 --> 00:33:15,474
Speaker 1: you a very scary scam story. This one comes from

663
00:33:15,514 --> 00:33:17,794
Speaker 1: a substack this week. It was written by a very

664
00:33:17,794 --> 00:33:21,794
Speaker 1: smart journalist called Yasha malk and he was walking in

665
00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:24,554
Speaker 1: Paris recently that sounds very nice, and he got a

666
00:33:24,554 --> 00:33:27,034
Speaker 1: call from Google. Literally it said on his phone, Google

667
00:33:27,154 --> 00:33:30,794
Speaker 1: is calling. Well, he'd never gotten a call from Google before,

668
00:33:31,714 --> 00:33:34,434
Speaker 1: but he did pick up because earlier that day, You

669
00:33:34,474 --> 00:33:36,594
Speaker 1: know how, sometimes you get those emails which are like,

670
00:33:36,754 --> 00:33:39,674
Speaker 1: you tried to log into Facebook or whatever. He's a

671
00:33:39,754 --> 00:33:43,114
Speaker 1: verification kobe, you didn't try and log in. He'd got

672
00:33:43,234 --> 00:33:45,674
Speaker 1: one of those about YouTube, and he just dismissed it

673
00:33:45,714 --> 00:33:48,234
Speaker 1: because he hadn't tried to log in. But he thought, oh, well,

674
00:33:48,314 --> 00:33:50,274
Speaker 1: I did get that weird email earlier today, so I

675
00:33:50,354 --> 00:33:53,234
Speaker 1: better pick it up. And he picked up and they

676
00:33:53,234 --> 00:33:55,634
Speaker 1: said are you Yasher Milk, And they used his little name.

677
00:33:56,194 --> 00:33:58,594
Speaker 1: They told him his address, They told him his date

678
00:33:58,674 --> 00:34:01,034
Speaker 1: of birth. They told him his Social Security number, which

679
00:34:01,074 --> 00:34:03,194
Speaker 1: is like his tax phone number. They had all of

680
00:34:03,194 --> 00:34:06,074
Speaker 1: this information about him. So that suggested to him that

681
00:34:06,154 --> 00:34:08,194
Speaker 1: this was in fact Google, because that was a lot

682
00:34:08,234 --> 00:34:11,154
Speaker 1: of information. And by the way, they sounded very professional.

683
00:34:11,274 --> 00:34:15,354
Speaker 1: He said. They spoke in unaccented American English, and so

684
00:34:15,834 --> 00:34:19,034
Speaker 1: they said, about half an hour ago, someone contacted us.

685
00:34:19,074 --> 00:34:21,434
Speaker 1: That is Google. They had a copy of your driver's

686
00:34:21,474 --> 00:34:24,674
Speaker 1: license and they use that and other details to get

687
00:34:24,714 --> 00:34:26,114
Speaker 1: into your account.

688
00:34:26,354 --> 00:34:28,914
Speaker 3: I would believe this if I was him on the phone,

689
00:34:28,914 --> 00:34:30,634
Speaker 3: I would believe that that was Google warning me.

690
00:34:30,754 --> 00:34:32,873
Speaker 1: They said, we are calling you as a courtesy to

691
00:34:32,954 --> 00:34:35,114
Speaker 1: ensure that was you. And he said, that wasn't me.

692
00:34:35,274 --> 00:34:37,714
Speaker 1: Someone's tried to get into my account, and they said,

693
00:34:37,714 --> 00:34:40,674
Speaker 1: not a worry. We can lock them out of your account,

694
00:34:40,914 --> 00:34:44,754
Speaker 1: but we do need to act fast. So at this point,

695
00:34:45,194 --> 00:34:46,913
Speaker 1: he knew that he should be suspicious.

696
00:34:47,034 --> 00:34:49,794
Speaker 2: Right when they tell you to act fast is sometimes

697
00:34:49,794 --> 00:34:50,634
Speaker 2: a red flag.

698
00:34:50,714 --> 00:34:52,873
Speaker 1: He knew that he should be suspicious. But then he

699
00:34:52,954 --> 00:34:54,393
Speaker 1: did what I think all of us would do. He

700
00:34:54,434 --> 00:34:56,474
Speaker 1: looked down at his phone. He looked at the phone number.

701
00:34:56,914 --> 00:35:00,514
Speaker 1: Guess what it matched the phone number for Google Support

702
00:35:00,554 --> 00:35:04,154
Speaker 1: on Google's website. No, that is how sophisticated scams are getting.

703
00:35:04,234 --> 00:35:07,433
Speaker 1: They are now able to essentially inhabit the phone number

704
00:35:07,514 --> 00:35:10,754
Speaker 1: of the person that they're pretending to be. And he said, look,

705
00:35:10,794 --> 00:35:13,033
Speaker 1: I need some proof that it's you. Can you call

706
00:35:13,114 --> 00:35:15,473
Speaker 1: me back in five minutes so I can just check

707
00:35:15,554 --> 00:35:17,593
Speaker 1: that this phone number is correct And they said yes,

708
00:35:17,634 --> 00:35:20,953
Speaker 1: and they called him back. But he eventually realized it

709
00:35:20,994 --> 00:35:23,714
Speaker 1: was a scam because he checked his Google account to

710
00:35:23,714 --> 00:35:26,034
Speaker 1: see if he was logged in anywhere else and he wasn't,

711
00:35:26,394 --> 00:35:28,514
Speaker 1: And so when they called him back, he said, basically,

712
00:35:28,514 --> 00:35:30,674
Speaker 1: the jigs up, go away, and they hung up on him.

713
00:35:31,234 --> 00:35:33,834
Speaker 1: But the story felt so relatable to me because he

714
00:35:33,914 --> 00:35:36,714
Speaker 1: goes through the different emotions that you feel when you

715
00:35:36,714 --> 00:35:40,034
Speaker 1: were contacted by a scammer. You know, when I'm describing

716
00:35:40,074 --> 00:35:43,154
Speaker 1: the story to you, it's hard to fully imagine what

717
00:35:43,274 --> 00:35:45,514
Speaker 1: that's like to get a call from someone that says,

718
00:35:45,914 --> 00:35:49,194
Speaker 1: someone has access to your whole Google account. We can

719
00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:52,714
Speaker 1: help you stop that, and you'd feel a lot of gratification.

720
00:35:53,274 --> 00:35:57,074
Speaker 1: So he describes the emotions. There's suspicion is this person real?

721
00:35:57,154 --> 00:35:59,634
Speaker 1: There's fear, oh my god, someone has access to my

722
00:35:59,674 --> 00:36:02,154
Speaker 1: Google account. And there's also and I thought this was

723
00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:05,714
Speaker 1: so interesting, a sense of social obligation. It's actually very

724
00:36:05,754 --> 00:36:08,234
Speaker 1: hard to call someone out their bullshit if you're not

725
00:36:08,314 --> 00:36:12,034
Speaker 1: Shirley Madsen. It's very hard to say to someone I

726
00:36:12,074 --> 00:36:14,834
Speaker 1: think you were full of shit, And so that is

727
00:36:14,874 --> 00:36:17,754
Speaker 1: often what propels us on and causes us to ask

728
00:36:17,794 --> 00:36:22,473
Speaker 1: more questions and potentially get deeper and deeper into the scam. So, look,

729
00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:25,194
Speaker 1: I want to know, Holly, when I told you that story,

730
00:36:25,194 --> 00:36:27,274
Speaker 1: could you relate to any elements.

731
00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:32,234
Speaker 2: I think we're all so scam aware. And there's also

732
00:36:32,314 --> 00:36:35,514
Speaker 2: another emotion, which is there's an element of shame always

733
00:36:35,554 --> 00:36:38,634
Speaker 2: about the idea that you could get scammed, because don't

734
00:36:38,674 --> 00:36:41,714
Speaker 2: only people who don't understand the internet get scammed. Don't.

735
00:36:41,714 --> 00:36:44,354
Speaker 2: People who are only not very smart get scammed. Don't.

736
00:36:44,394 --> 00:36:47,634
Speaker 2: Only you know, vulnerable people get scammed. And the thing is,

737
00:36:47,674 --> 00:36:49,554
Speaker 2: as you say, scammers are getting more and more and

738
00:36:49,594 --> 00:36:53,953
Speaker 2: more sophisticated. I feel like this Christmas period, this sort

739
00:36:53,954 --> 00:36:57,674
Speaker 2: of Black Friday and leading up to Christmas period, scams

740
00:36:57,834 --> 00:37:01,474
Speaker 2: are so front of mind. We're doing all our shopping online.

741
00:37:01,914 --> 00:37:03,794
Speaker 2: Every time I hunt something down. One of my kids

742
00:37:03,794 --> 00:37:06,474
Speaker 2: has sent me a twenty four page PowerPoint presentation of

743
00:37:06,514 --> 00:37:08,794
Speaker 2: all the things that and you go and you look,

744
00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:11,433
Speaker 2: and you're like, is this a reputable site? And then

745
00:37:11,474 --> 00:37:13,554
Speaker 2: you go and google the site to see if it

746
00:37:13,674 --> 00:37:16,394
Speaker 2: is a reputable site, And there will be definitely comments

747
00:37:16,394 --> 00:37:18,393
Speaker 2: there that say this place is a scam, and they'll

748
00:37:18,434 --> 00:37:20,514
Speaker 2: also be comments saying this place is great and you

749
00:37:20,554 --> 00:37:23,834
Speaker 2: don't know. And it's added all these extra steps to everything.

750
00:37:24,274 --> 00:37:27,274
Speaker 2: I feel like the proliferation of scams and the fact

751
00:37:27,314 --> 00:37:29,594
Speaker 2: that we live our lives online the same way, we've

752
00:37:29,634 --> 00:37:31,754
Speaker 2: been left with a lot of work here, like it's

753
00:37:31,834 --> 00:37:34,913
Speaker 2: so mucheah anxiety and work to try and figure out

754
00:37:34,914 --> 00:37:37,913
Speaker 2: what's real. And I think it used to be that

755
00:37:37,994 --> 00:37:41,634
Speaker 2: we'd say, you know, being trusting is a good thing.

756
00:37:42,234 --> 00:37:44,154
Speaker 2: Living your life all the time as if somebody's trying

757
00:37:44,194 --> 00:37:47,034
Speaker 2: to scam you was a bad way to live. But

758
00:37:47,114 --> 00:37:48,794
Speaker 2: we all kind of have to live like that, and

759
00:37:49,594 --> 00:37:51,234
Speaker 2: lack of trust is kind of leaky.

760
00:37:51,514 --> 00:37:53,194
Speaker 4: The promise was that this was going to make our

761
00:37:53,234 --> 00:37:53,794
Speaker 4: lives easier.

762
00:37:53,954 --> 00:37:56,314
Speaker 3: The online shopping was going to make our lives easier,

763
00:37:56,354 --> 00:37:58,513
Speaker 3: online banking was going to make our lives easier having

764
00:37:58,514 --> 00:38:03,354
Speaker 3: everything on Google, and it hasn't. It's made Christmas shopping

765
00:38:03,474 --> 00:38:06,794
Speaker 3: in many ways harder because people are so alert to it.

766
00:38:07,834 --> 00:38:15,433
Speaker 3: Frustration is that, particularly meta platforms can advertise brands that

767
00:38:15,474 --> 00:38:16,194
Speaker 3: are scams.

768
00:38:16,314 --> 00:38:17,553
Speaker 4: And this happens all the time.

769
00:38:17,634 --> 00:38:20,354
Speaker 3: You have something that comes up on your Facebook or

770
00:38:20,394 --> 00:38:23,674
Speaker 3: your Instagram and it looks like a really good deal.

771
00:38:23,714 --> 00:38:26,794
Speaker 3: Often it's with clothing or whatever, and you can click

772
00:38:26,834 --> 00:38:30,834
Speaker 3: it and buy it and it's not real and then

773
00:38:30,874 --> 00:38:34,514
Speaker 3: there's no email or terms and conditions or whatever. You

774
00:38:34,554 --> 00:38:36,234
Speaker 3: feel like an idiot, and everyone looks at you and.

775
00:38:36,194 --> 00:38:38,794
Speaker 4: Goes, well, didn't you choke if they had of returns.

776
00:38:38,394 --> 00:38:41,314
Speaker 3: Policy, and you're like, not really, I thought I could

777
00:38:41,394 --> 00:38:44,114
Speaker 3: just do that. We're a media company, and if we

778
00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:47,074
Speaker 3: put an ad in the middle of our podcast for

779
00:38:47,314 --> 00:38:48,754
Speaker 3: a product.

780
00:38:48,354 --> 00:38:49,354
Speaker 4: That didn't exist.

781
00:38:49,594 --> 00:38:52,034
Speaker 3: We would be liable for that, And so that to

782
00:38:52,154 --> 00:38:55,914
Speaker 3: me to live kind of on edge all the time.

783
00:38:56,194 --> 00:38:58,794
Speaker 3: And even when you do do the checks and balances,

784
00:38:59,514 --> 00:39:01,913
Speaker 3: you know, there's people who will turn up over the

785
00:39:01,914 --> 00:39:06,794
Speaker 3: holidays to rentals or to accommodation that is not what.

786
00:39:06,834 --> 00:39:08,714
Speaker 2: Was that happened to a friend of mine. They got

787
00:39:08,754 --> 00:39:12,634
Speaker 2: scammed on a holiday rental site, turned up what didn't exist.

788
00:39:13,034 --> 00:39:17,754
Speaker 2: They were literally wandering like Mary and Joseph life the

789
00:39:17,834 --> 00:39:20,954
Speaker 2: other thing which is nowhere near as serious. But the

790
00:39:20,994 --> 00:39:24,474
Speaker 2: scam alerts are also ruining the surprises of Christmas, because

791
00:39:24,714 --> 00:39:26,754
Speaker 2: Brent messages me all the time and says, did you

792
00:39:26,834 --> 00:39:30,114
Speaker 2: just buy this thing? Oh yeah, because you know, an

793
00:39:30,154 --> 00:39:33,194
Speaker 2: alert will flash up on the banking app and I'm like, yes,

794
00:39:33,234 --> 00:39:34,994
Speaker 2: it's a freaking Christmas present.

795
00:39:35,194 --> 00:39:36,074
Speaker 4: Leave me alone.

796
00:39:36,754 --> 00:39:39,433
Speaker 3: And the text the only text messages I get are

797
00:39:39,634 --> 00:39:40,794
Speaker 3: Black Friday sale.

798
00:39:41,074 --> 00:39:44,034
Speaker 4: Or scam from there's a thing to pick up from

799
00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:46,434
Speaker 4: the post office, and I'm like, I didn't know or anything,

800
00:39:46,554 --> 00:39:48,553
Speaker 4: and it's like a weird scam thing.

801
00:39:48,994 --> 00:39:51,954
Speaker 3: Got one the other day about points some points to

802
00:39:52,034 --> 00:39:54,194
Speaker 3: claim and it nearly gets me every time.

803
00:39:54,074 --> 00:39:55,674
Speaker 1: I've got some good news for you in a way,

804
00:39:55,714 --> 00:39:58,194
Speaker 1: which is that none of this is in your imagination,

805
00:39:58,394 --> 00:40:00,474
Speaker 1: none of the things that we've been describing here. I

806
00:40:00,514 --> 00:40:03,913
Speaker 1: looked into this and there were six thousand websites taken

807
00:40:03,954 --> 00:40:06,074
Speaker 1: down last year, Holly, to your point about how hard

808
00:40:06,114 --> 00:40:08,913
Speaker 1: it is to online shop these days, six thousand that

809
00:40:09,034 --> 00:40:11,114
Speaker 1: is so many. That's just in Australia, by the way.

810
00:40:11,554 --> 00:40:14,194
Speaker 1: And then on the social media Jesse, it's true that

811
00:40:14,354 --> 00:40:18,234
Speaker 1: the h SEE tracks different scams and it has a

812
00:40:18,274 --> 00:40:21,634
Speaker 1: pie chart showing where all the scams came from last year.

813
00:40:21,874 --> 00:40:25,154
Speaker 1: Social media is the line and share of where scams

814
00:40:25,194 --> 00:40:27,913
Speaker 1: come from by total losses, which means that that is

815
00:40:27,954 --> 00:40:31,634
Speaker 1: where people are getting scammed the most, and these platforms

816
00:40:31,674 --> 00:40:33,074
Speaker 1: won't do anything about it.

817
00:40:33,314 --> 00:40:35,594
Speaker 3: Right, So what you're meant to do, and I have

818
00:40:35,674 --> 00:40:38,274
Speaker 3: someone very close to me who got scammed with buying

819
00:40:38,274 --> 00:40:40,274
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff online, you need to check the

820
00:40:40,794 --> 00:40:43,834
Speaker 3: terms and conditions and privacy and all of that and

821
00:40:43,954 --> 00:40:47,594
Speaker 3: ask a question, if I wanted to return this, where's

822
00:40:47,634 --> 00:40:49,834
Speaker 3: the information to return it? Because what will happen is

823
00:40:49,874 --> 00:40:52,314
Speaker 3: you'll buy something and then it's like just disappears and

824
00:40:52,314 --> 00:40:54,274
Speaker 3: they've gone with your money. The other thing is if

825
00:40:54,314 --> 00:40:57,994
Speaker 3: you buy things on a credit card. Often a credit

826
00:40:57,994 --> 00:41:01,434
Speaker 3: card offers strong protections and they can reimburse you quickly

827
00:41:01,474 --> 00:41:04,714
Speaker 3: if you discover that it's a scam. The other thing

828
00:41:04,994 --> 00:41:07,553
Speaker 3: is reviewed, So something can look like it has five

829
00:41:07,594 --> 00:41:10,194
Speaker 3: star reviews, but then you look and it's got two

830
00:41:10,434 --> 00:41:13,434
Speaker 3: clearly AI generated reviews, like does it have two or

831
00:41:13,474 --> 00:41:15,674
Speaker 3: does it have two thousand. That's the other kind of

832
00:41:16,034 --> 00:41:16,754
Speaker 3: big difference.

833
00:41:16,954 --> 00:41:20,114
Speaker 1: And we haven't even covered the two most common scams

834
00:41:20,114 --> 00:41:23,634
Speaker 1: in Australia in this segment. So the most common scam

835
00:41:23,674 --> 00:41:26,993
Speaker 1: by total losses is actually investment scams, so people saying

836
00:41:27,034 --> 00:41:29,914
Speaker 1: they're going to triple your money or whatever, basically financial

837
00:41:29,914 --> 00:41:32,914
Speaker 1: services scams. Yeah, right. And then the second most common

838
00:41:32,954 --> 00:41:36,714
Speaker 1: scam in Australia is a romance scam and last year

839
00:41:37,234 --> 00:41:39,114
Speaker 1: they came in at one hundred and fifty six million

840
00:41:39,194 --> 00:41:43,554
Speaker 1: dollars in losses for romance, which is just so devastating.

841
00:41:43,714 --> 00:41:45,714
Speaker 2: It's like we talk all the time about the erosion

842
00:41:45,714 --> 00:41:50,074
Speaker 2: of trust, like in the institutions and also between people,

843
00:41:50,114 --> 00:41:53,954
Speaker 2: Like this is we're swimming in a soup. We're swimming

844
00:41:53,954 --> 00:41:56,754
Speaker 2: in a soup of people trying to get things from you.

845
00:41:56,794 --> 00:41:59,474
Speaker 2: Of just not ever knowing if something's quite right. This

846
00:41:59,514 --> 00:42:02,114
Speaker 2: doesn't seem quite right. I always think about something you

847
00:42:02,114 --> 00:42:03,993
Speaker 2: said a while ago, Jesse, which we were talking about

848
00:42:04,034 --> 00:42:07,154
Speaker 2: Loto winners, and you were saying, how does any I

849
00:42:07,154 --> 00:42:08,674
Speaker 2: want to tell you if you've won a lot of that?

850
00:42:08,874 --> 00:42:11,714
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if somebody called you and said you've

851
00:42:11,754 --> 00:42:16,674
Speaker 2: won twenty million dollars, you'd be like, yeah, if somebody

852
00:42:16,714 --> 00:42:19,393
Speaker 2: emailed you and said you've want twenty million dollars, you'd

853
00:42:19,434 --> 00:42:20,434
Speaker 2: be like report.

854
00:42:21,394 --> 00:42:25,913
Speaker 1: It's like, how do we even that's absolutely going to spam.

855
00:42:26,074 --> 00:42:27,514
Speaker 1: That's absolutely going to spam.

856
00:42:27,714 --> 00:42:27,913
Speaker 4: Yeah.

857
00:42:27,954 --> 00:42:30,473
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the thing is the devices and

858
00:42:30,474 --> 00:42:33,754
Speaker 1: that the ways they're scamming is getting so sophisticated. That's

859
00:42:33,794 --> 00:42:36,274
Speaker 1: what really stopped me in Yasha's story, the idea that

860
00:42:36,314 --> 00:42:38,714
Speaker 1: now they're spoofing phone numbers like that was what we

861
00:42:38,714 --> 00:42:40,913
Speaker 1: were taught as one of the quick ways to tell

862
00:42:40,914 --> 00:42:43,194
Speaker 1: if something was a scam, and now we can't even

863
00:42:43,234 --> 00:42:45,553
Speaker 1: tell that anymore. But for what it's worst. Scam watch

864
00:42:45,594 --> 00:42:47,634
Speaker 1: dot gov dot au is a website where you can

865
00:42:47,674 --> 00:42:50,154
Speaker 1: go to learn more about scams to learn how to

866
00:42:50,234 --> 00:42:53,194
Speaker 1: counteract them. They say stop check protect. They have a

867
00:42:53,194 --> 00:42:56,074
Speaker 1: three step process, and remember to report scams if you

868
00:42:56,074 --> 00:42:57,354
Speaker 1: find them, because that really helps them.

869
00:42:57,514 --> 00:42:59,354
Speaker 3: You know what I hate too, is that it means

870
00:42:59,394 --> 00:43:04,554
Speaker 3: that we're less inclined to spend with a lady startup

871
00:43:04,594 --> 00:43:08,873
Speaker 3: with an independent small business because we go, you know what,

872
00:43:09,034 --> 00:43:13,194
Speaker 3: even though this one is unethical probably and it doesn't

873
00:43:13,834 --> 00:43:16,794
Speaker 3: pay their workers properly and it might be exploitative whatever.

874
00:43:16,714 --> 00:43:18,473
Speaker 4: At least, so now it's such a good point and

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Speaker 4: that's kind of disappointing. Out louders.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being here with us for another show.

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Speaker 2: Whether you are listening to us, whether you're watching us

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Speaker 2: Bye, Mamma. Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land

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