Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 1: And I'm Cayley McCarran, and we have got a ripper
Speaker 1: of a show for you today, Spillers.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, a lot of heartbreak, a lot of intrigue,
Speaker 2: a lot of gossip that we're going to weave through.
Speaker 2: We've got two big celebrity couples that have been the
Speaker 2: spotlight because allegedly both of their relationships have come to
Speaker 2: an end for different reasons. So we're going to get
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 1: Well. First, first, Laura, I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about the pop star that you have probably heard on
Speaker 1: the radio lately NonStop. That is our friend, Miss Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 1: She's not our friend at all, but.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, I hear her on the radio. I also
Speaker 2: play her on a constant loop on my Spotify as
Speaker 2: I walk toward from work. Really that and musicals. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's a boppy girl. I love her music.
Speaker 1: Can't relate to that at all. Really, Yeah, we'll get
Speaker 1: into that in a minute though. But Sabrina Kappener's Manchild,
Speaker 1: which was released a couple of weeks ago and then
Speaker 1: her music video has just come out that accompanies it,
Speaker 1: secured the biggest streaming debut for a female artist on
Speaker 1: global Spotify this year, so passing Chapel Rones the Giver,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure you would I would know it if
Speaker 1: you sung a little bit to me. But I also
Speaker 1: was kind of like bing bong.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, that's a great song. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to sing it because I don't have the vocal range
Speaker 2: of Chapel Rome, but it's a banger of a song.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people are talking because her music
Speaker 1: video and the posters and all of the visuals have
Speaker 1: come out with the song, and let me just if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, well, I'm gonna summarize what happens.
Speaker 1: The video starts with Sabrina hitchhiking across the country with
Speaker 1: one disastrous man after another, and it's set and filmed
Speaker 1: in a very sixty seventies so vibe. It's very cool,
Speaker 1: like it's very visually beautiful, which is a metaphor for
Speaker 1: going from bad relationship to bad relationship, which you know
Speaker 1: a lot of gals in their twenties can relate to.
Speaker 1: So she's catching all these rides with multiple men, and
Speaker 1: they're all like kind of weird, Like it's very surreal,
Speaker 1: as if you're having a strange dream. Like there's really
Speaker 1: impossible vehicles, and at one point she's like in a
Speaker 1: pool with a shark. So there's a jet ski. There's
Speaker 1: an armchair that just driving along. All of them have wheels.
Speaker 1: There's a motorcycle with a supermarket shopping cut bolted to
Speaker 1: the side. I don't know how much of it is AI,
Speaker 1: which is part of the problem with art these days.
Speaker 1: You watch something really cool like that and you think,
Speaker 1: but how much is AI? I just don't know. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the video, so that goes on
Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes while she's singing, and it's
Speaker 1: not a very good song to be well, I don't
Speaker 1: think it is. At the end of the video, she
Speaker 1: gets out of the car and immediately lags down another
Speaker 1: that pulls up next to her. She gets into that
Speaker 1: one and drives away, and that's it. And she's dressed
Speaker 1: very Daisy Duke, very Jessica Simpson in.
Speaker 2: The books are Made for what Jukes had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one like really hot, like but cheeks hanging out,
Speaker 1: little crop, big blonde curls, absolutely gorgeous, objectively hot for
Speaker 1: both the female and male gaze. But there is a
Speaker 1: lot of commentary online about it being performative feminism and
Speaker 1: that she's just always performing, that she's a feminist.
Speaker 2: I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm interesting what you think. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if she's really thought that much about it.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that this song in particular is
Speaker 1: supposed to be a feminist anthem. Like I think that
Speaker 1: it's just a summer banger about well, other people think
Speaker 1: it's a banger. I don't about constantly choosing the wrong
Speaker 1: men and wanting to look hot for the male gaze
Speaker 1: all the time while you're running around chasing the wrong men.
Speaker 1: That's what I think it is. I think that people
Speaker 1: are just really.
Speaker 2: Looking into it. Oh, I mean I think definitely looking
Speaker 2: very over sexualized and glamorous is a huge part of
Speaker 2: her brand and she loves it. And also why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because this has come out and then as.
Speaker 1: An oscar, why are you trying to look like Charlie's
Speaker 1: thrown in Monster.
Speaker 2: I love this the two extremes. It's like blonde pinup
Speaker 2: girl or crazy serial killer who's lost all her teeth.
Speaker 2: There is no in between. There is absolutely that's what
Speaker 2: we learned from Hollood and that's on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting, like with the video clip coming
Speaker 2: out and also as like em and I spoke on
Speaker 2: a recent episode of The Spill, like the cover for
Speaker 2: Manta where she's like again that very over sexualized pose
Speaker 2: and she's kind of on her hands and knees, you know,
Speaker 2: really intense makeup, and a man who's like off to
Speaker 2: the side of the photo is like leaning down, like
Speaker 2: pulling her hair back, and people like she's too over sexualized.
Speaker 2: All her music, her video clips, her photos are all
Speaker 2: this like very kind of pinup girl but also being
Speaker 2: dominated by men. But I think if you look a
Speaker 2: little bit closer, I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: these are pop songs, so they're not meant to.
Speaker 1: Be And who cares if she she wants to be
Speaker 1: dominated and over sexualized?
Speaker 2: Who gets well? I do under central extent, Like the
Speaker 2: whole point is like art, whether it's like a pop
Speaker 2: song or like an album or a painting is like
Speaker 2: to put it out into the world and have people critique,
Speaker 2: and so I think that's fine. But I also think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of layers to the art that she
Speaker 2: puts out, Like when you look at her past video clips,
Speaker 2: they all they're not just her in a little sequent
Speaker 2: outfit dancing, although a few of them obviously have that,
Speaker 2: but they all have this really interesting element of storytelling,
Speaker 2: like she loves to do a little film with all
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: That's what I loved the film. Yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: was great. Well, it's like this when.
Speaker 2: Her and Barry Kogan when he was in a video clip,
Speaker 2: remember that, and they were like breaking out of the
Speaker 2: jail cell. We had this little narrative, Or when she
Speaker 2: re enacted all these incredible movies in her other video clip,
Speaker 2: like Death Becomes Her and General Tager was in it,
Speaker 2: and there was like this beautiful visual storytelling and all
Speaker 2: these little easter eggs buried in there for people who
Speaker 2: are like lovers of like that particular very campy genre
Speaker 2: of film, and whether that's her whole team, it's probably
Speaker 2: like a mixture of both. Again, it was like very
Speaker 2: intentional story telling to be very campy, be over the top,
Speaker 2: but also lean into this like, oh sexualized image. And
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I was reading a profile with her
Speaker 2: and Rolling Stone the other day and they were asking
Speaker 2: her about like this intense kind of like this pushing
Speaker 2: of sex and this pushing of like sex with her identity,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was interesting that she was like,
Speaker 2: you guys are the ones that really hook onto the sex.
Speaker 2: She's like, I put out a lot of content and
Speaker 2: that's what everyone really I'm paraphrasing obviously, but she was like,
Speaker 2: this is what everyone really attaches themselves to. So she's like,
Speaker 2: I think you guys are obsessed with sex, not me.
Speaker 2: And I did sit with that for a while and
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, there's an element of truth
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: There is, But I do think that she's a smart
Speaker 1: lady and she knows what she's doing. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, sex sell, so you
Speaker 1: know that, yes, maybe you are producing a lot of
Speaker 1: different content. You know what's going to get attention, Well,
Speaker 1: what's going to get yeah, and what's going to get
Speaker 1: covered and talked about. So yeah, it's all well and
Speaker 1: good to say that.
Speaker 2: But I saw a fan also post a fans all
Speaker 2: this word for what this person says. Posted the Manchild
Speaker 2: album cover of her, like you know, with the man
Speaker 2: pulling her hair back, and was like, does she have
Speaker 2: a personality outside sex? And Sabrina Sora and she commented
Speaker 2: and she was basically like, yeah, girl, and my personality
Speaker 2: is really really good. And I think that that's also true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I know heaps of people that
Speaker 1: really love sex and over sexualize themselves in their lives
Speaker 1: and they definitely have other hobbies. Yeah, Like, clearly she's
Speaker 1: got other hobbies because she's very successful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and she's out.
Speaker 1: And about she's not she is out at over time.
Speaker 1: So when I said who cares, what I meant was like,
Speaker 1: who cares if her whole brand is being over sexualized now?
Speaker 1: And why does that matter to so many people? Like
Speaker 1: who put her up as a feminist anthem icon or whatnot?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do understand a little bit. I think I
Speaker 2: think it's because people thought that music was potentially moving
Speaker 2: and like that this pop stardom was potentially moving away
Speaker 2: from the Brittany's, the Christina, the Jessica Simpsons, the Mandy Moore's,
Speaker 2: who are a very certain time, all these very thin,
Speaker 2: overly sexualized blonde women like dancing on stage in a
Speaker 2: very particular way. I think, with like Billie Eilish being
Speaker 2: like the biggest star in the world and coming out
Speaker 2: in these baggy outfits because she said she felt comfortable
Speaker 2: in them, like greasy abams, sort of dancing a different way.
Speaker 2: Even Taylor Swift to an extent, kind of pulling that
Speaker 2: back and going in different direction. People thought pop music
Speaker 2: had changed, and then Sabrina came back in l yeah
Speaker 2: exactly with me like very kind of like yeah, being
Speaker 2: a character on stage with her like dragon spied outfits,
Speaker 2: and then people thought it went circled back around, and
Speaker 2: then Sabrina was like, no, no, no, we're going back to this,
Speaker 2: and people have really liked it. So the interesting thing
Speaker 2: is that Manchild, the actual album isn't out yet, and
Speaker 2: so when it comes out, I think it will have
Speaker 2: that amazing storytelling element of like what's happened to her
Speaker 2: in the last couple of years, because it's you know,
Speaker 2: she's got a different level of fandom now, she's got
Speaker 2: a different level of celebrity friends. But also she had
Speaker 2: that really public breakup with Barry Kurugan that.
Speaker 1: Kit starred at a very similar time becoming a household now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and something happened behind the scenes on that, Like
Speaker 2: I mean a few times she's alluded to it on
Speaker 2: stage because he's from Island, so when she was in Ireland,
Speaker 2: she was like up on stage being like, yeah, Irish man,
Speaker 2: like they're they're really something to be said about them
Speaker 2: kind of thing. But I also, I just wonder, here's
Speaker 2: a theory I've seen online that I'm really interested and
Speaker 2: if it's true, I will be so impressed by her.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's true. But the theory, it's
Speaker 2: also Sobrina, it's not too late to make it true.
Speaker 2: So go on with that photo that's come out from
Speaker 2: her album, which is the one where she's down on
Speaker 2: all fours on the floor looking sexualized, and.
Speaker 1: The it doesn't like getting their head, you get her
Speaker 1: head because you'd be like, I don't have to do
Speaker 1: not touch it if you pull out one strength, this
Speaker 1: is done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also kind of my friend mystuff like yeah.
Speaker 1: Then stop them and be like I like it, I
Speaker 1: must fix.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the hair grabing during sex, i'd have to
Speaker 2: I'd have to give notes on that but so, and yeah,
Speaker 2: the guy in the phone is like yanking her hair back.
Speaker 2: But what think is potentially when she actually releases the
Speaker 2: full album, that you'll see the full shot and that
Speaker 2: she's actually the man the suit pulling back her own hair.
Speaker 2: So it's Sabrina Carpenter like dominating herself. So it's like
Speaker 2: her masculine side dominating her feminine side, and it's not
Speaker 2: about and she's decentering men because men aren't even in
Speaker 2: the picture. It's just her.
Speaker 1: That's very a simple favorite having sex with herself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a messed up mood, but I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only reason I don't think it's true is like
Speaker 2: because I feel like it's not really alluding to that,
Speaker 2: and that it wouldn't have been leaked like they would
Speaker 2: have kept that undercover.
Speaker 1: It also would be very off brand, because no, I think.
Speaker 2: It'd be on brand for her that kind of like
Speaker 2: being very overtly sexual and releasing this image, but it
Speaker 2: having like a bit of a deeper layer behind it,
Speaker 2: and her playing with people's expectations because she does copple
Speaker 2: what of hate has since she was like a Disney
Speaker 2: star and I think why.
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't understand. She seems like the most well.
Speaker 2: She was involved in a really intense love triangle with
Speaker 2: her own Olivia Rodrigo, who's the other really big pop star,
Speaker 2: and they I can't remember the guy's name. He was
Speaker 2: the star of the show on the Disney Network with them,
Speaker 2: and they both released albums. It's like Driver's License is
Speaker 2: about her. This is very deep Disney law, but it's
Speaker 2: so important. Also, Sabrina Olivia pose for a photo this
Speaker 2: year and so that was a huge situation. So you know,
Speaker 2: the girls aren't fighting anymore.
Speaker 1: Is good because being a teenager, they've both.
Speaker 2: Become global superstars and this guy is like nondescripts, so
Speaker 2: they don't want. Like recently, Sabrina said, I don't think
Speaker 2: about that Driver's License drama of my life anymore. I've
Speaker 2: moved on. So I'll be interested to see when that
Speaker 2: album does come out, if the script has been flipped
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 1: Her love, if she does that.
Speaker 2: If I was her and her team and I saw
Speaker 2: that theory going around online and it wasn't true, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, get back in the studio.
Speaker 1: Let let's reado that. Just like AI her face exactly.
Speaker 1: Let's ai her face.
Speaker 2: It'd be such clover marketing. I don't think it's true,
Speaker 2: but I hope for her because I have very high
Speaker 2: standards for her because I love Sabrina Carpenter. My favorite
Speaker 2: song is Taste followed by Espresso. Then please please, just
Speaker 2: in case you wanted to know, oh uselessen to music.
Speaker 1: Okay, let us know what you all think. Do you
Speaker 1: think that she's pulling her own hair back? Or is
Speaker 1: it a hotty A different a male hotty. Laura has
Speaker 1: some goss about Katy Perry. But before we start, I
Speaker 1: need to ask you. Have you ever seen her in
Speaker 1: real life?
Speaker 2: No? And I'm desperate too. And I'm also really sad
Speaker 2: I didn't get tickets to her austrain For all the
Speaker 2: haters out there who said Katy Perry is over, her
Speaker 2: Australian tool is sold out, I.
Speaker 1: Think she's an incredible performer. I want you to Some
Speaker 1: of the tech talks are quite funny, but it's only
Speaker 1: because you know you're doing some art, you're getting creative,
Speaker 1: you're flying around the stage. Good on you, But I
Speaker 1: just need like, I know, it doesn't matter, looks don't matter,
Speaker 1: but you know how sometimes you see celebrities or famous
Speaker 1: people in real life and you're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have never saw her in real life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have never done a double take at someone.
Speaker 2: Did you go to the concert?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: What would you story to Taylor Swift? Oh? Oh h
Speaker 1: they had to I was just sitting in front of that,
Speaker 1: so they were all in there. And I have never
Speaker 1: like actually doubled took at someone because they were so
Speaker 1: for Katy Perry. I did it for Katy Perry.
Speaker 2: I would believe that, and like everything.
Speaker 1: About she was beautiful. She was sitting with Rita Orra
Speaker 1: who was also just like just so beautiful real life beauties.
Speaker 1: So it's just like a fun factory run.
Speaker 2: That is a fun fact.
Speaker 1: I'm feel like shit because they're really beautiful in real
Speaker 1: life as well as on screen.
Speaker 2: I know, but also just think of the maintenance that
Speaker 2: their teams are doing to make them look like that.
Speaker 2: But and Katy Perry's been looking really good in the
Speaker 2: last few years. Well, she had this Australian stylist who
Speaker 2: she still has, I believe at Teddiana Woodford, who like
Speaker 2: completely redid her style. That's why every time she's going
Speaker 2: on a red carpet. Everyone was talking about her and
Speaker 2: like her makeover, she's.
Speaker 1: Not talked about enough as one of the world's most beautiful,
Speaker 1: Like if you look at her, she's stunning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think just some of the negative
Speaker 2: stuff around her recently has overshadowed that. So that's what
Speaker 2: as coming into this tour, the lifetime to her, there
Speaker 2: was obviously a lot of yeah, well there was there
Speaker 2: was a lead up so well, there was the Woman's
Speaker 2: World song that she put out, remember that, No, so
Speaker 2: she she put out that song It's a Woman's World,
Speaker 2: and it was her first big single.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's right really proud was produced by the
Speaker 1: man who was accused yeah checking kesher, But it also
Speaker 1: was this really feminist anthem where they took all of
Speaker 1: these like.
Speaker 2: Iconic for mious moments and redid them in the video.
Speaker 2: Clear but everyone thought she was being too much of
Speaker 2: a try hard and like, you know, some parts of
Speaker 2: it didn't land.
Speaker 1: And when you've got the producer that's done that well,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: The same producer who worked on her like all of
Speaker 2: her biggest hits. And I think she was like previous
Speaker 2: years when she was like at the top of the
Speaker 2: pop game, So I think that's when she thought she
Speaker 2: was going to recreate that magic. And so that song
Speaker 2: came out and she got absolutely slammed for it, both
Speaker 2: for the song and for the video. Clear people like
Speaker 2: this is so embarrassing. And then she kind of went
Speaker 2: out of spotlight but was looking really she one red carpet.
Speaker 2: So it's a bit like is it evening out? Like
Speaker 2: people are making fun of.
Speaker 1: Her, but I'm hot.
Speaker 2: She's hot, which will always help out in any situation.
Speaker 2: Then the space thing happened, which is kind of hard
Speaker 2: because people do think, and maybe this is true to
Speaker 2: my extent, that a lot of this big world tour
Speaker 2: that she's doing has some space stuff that's in it
Speaker 2: that's not really referenced, and they think it's because she
Speaker 2: thought that was going to be really favorably received, her
Speaker 2: five minute trip to space.
Speaker 1: Oh, and they definitely did.
Speaker 2: They all did, and that yeah exactly. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 2: girl King's there, and you're just like, well, girl King's here,
Speaker 2: Like she always makes the right choice. So I think
Speaker 2: they didn't think it was going to be so globally mocked,
Speaker 2: and so she's had to pull that out of her tour.
Speaker 1: And then there's very space, like it's very sci fi. Still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, that was meant to be kind of a
Speaker 2: lead into the space thing. But now she's on stage
Speaker 2: and she's like, don't talk about it. But like I said,
Speaker 2: it's sold out in a lot of places. I've heard
Speaker 2: a lot of people say it's incredible. So that's all happening,
Speaker 2: And obviously she's been in Australia. While she's in Australia,
Speaker 2: all eyes are on her. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: a report has come out from People magazine that she
Speaker 2: and Orlando Bloom, who have been married many years.
Speaker 1: They've got a kid.
Speaker 2: They have a little girl. Her name's Daisy Dove Blooms.
Speaker 2: That cute, very word, Daisy Dove Bloom. Cute. That's why
Speaker 2: when she was up in space, she floated to the
Speaker 2: camera and held up a little Daisy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so her daughter could be openly mocked at school.
Speaker 2: I feel like the kind of school that kid would
Speaker 2: go to, it's like all everyone's parents like richness. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: so that wouldn't have been a thing. So she's in
Speaker 2: Australia turing at the moment, and this story from People
Speaker 2: magazine came out and one of the reasons why everyone's
Speaker 2: thinking this is potentially true is that, as I often say,
Speaker 2: we don't mean to do pr for People magazine, but
Speaker 2: they do check all their sources before they put something out.
Speaker 2: That's why when celebrities want to release something like Hugh
Speaker 2: Jackman and Sutton Foster, like finally releasing information at their
Speaker 2: relationship and all that sort of stuff, they go through
Speaker 2: people because they had that back channel setup.
Speaker 1: So not the Daily Mail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like one of those old school tabloids
Speaker 2: where someone in the office will just be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll write this and I'll beat this, yeah, and all
Speaker 2: those sorts of things, like they've actually checked. So they
Speaker 2: put out an article saying that Katie Perry and Orlando
Speaker 2: Blooms romance, they said, is navigating troubled waters, which I
Speaker 2: feel like the writer people.
Speaker 1: Make it at any point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the writer was probably like, oh,
Speaker 2: this has come from Katie in Orlando's team or a friend,
Speaker 2: so we've got to sort of say it. We don't
Speaker 2: want to say they're breaking up, but they say. An
Speaker 2: insider told People the couple experienced strain in their relationship
Speaker 2: amid the release of her latest album, and another source
Speaker 2: says there is no turning back. They're pretty much done,
Speaker 2: a source tells People, adding that they don't really see
Speaker 2: them being able to turn things around. It's been breaking
Speaker 2: down the last couple of months and it isn't looking good.
Speaker 2: And then they said about Katie touring at the moment,
Speaker 2: this comeback means a lot to her and she wants
Speaker 2: to give fans the best show. This makes me feel
Speaker 2: like this part's coming from Katie's team. She's happy and
Speaker 2: just focused on her tour and her daughter Daisy Dove,
Speaker 2: four and a half years old, is with her and
Speaker 2: their sightseeing and having fun. And they said they've contacted
Speaker 2: both Katie Bloom and Katie Bloom, Davy Perry, and Orlando Bloom,
Speaker 2: who did not respond to their request to say yes
Speaker 2: or no the story is correct or incorrect, Which is
Speaker 2: kind of interesting because I guess celebrities get like requests
Speaker 2: like this every day. People say like, we're running a
Speaker 2: story about you, do want to comment? And if you do,
Speaker 2: if the celebrity then does comment, then it kind of
Speaker 2: gives free rein for the story to keep going. But
Speaker 2: I do wonder if there was a huge story like
Speaker 2: this in People magazine that you might just say like
Speaker 2: we're very happy together or something everything if it was
Speaker 2: a complete not true. And the other thing is, again,
Speaker 2: this could be just a wardrobe thing. We don't know.
Speaker 2: The other thing is that she's been sided out without
Speaker 2: her wedding ring in Australia.
Speaker 1: Wear it.
Speaker 2: I actually think she doesn't always wear it from.
Speaker 1: What I never wear mine and I you're.
Speaker 2: Currently an unmarried lady. Do you know where it is? No?
Speaker 1: What, It's just somewhere at home.
Speaker 2: It's somewhere at home.
Speaker 1: I just don't look. Look. I don't like to be touched.
Speaker 1: I wear jewelry out to work sometimes. I just I'm
Speaker 1: not someone that would just wear it at home.
Speaker 2: I just feel a lot better if you said, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's in my second top drawer or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's in my cupboard somewhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, feeling better. I'd love you to check that when
Speaker 2: you go home. But no, she doesn't worry it all
Speaker 2: the time. Kind of I guess fifty to fifty. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not really tracking Katie Perry's wedding ring,
Speaker 2: but I feel like she often doesn't wear it on
Speaker 2: red carpets and stuff. If it's not like the vibe
Speaker 2: of her very start. But the difference to them, you.
Speaker 1: Do think that. I'm like, yeah, you need to take
Speaker 1: your ring off, especially if it's quite an ostentatious diamond ring.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it really doesn't go with the outfit.
Speaker 2: Take it off. That's so true. And no one's gonna
Speaker 2: think you're divorced. Well, they obviously will because they do well,
Speaker 2: but hey, it's Pierre. But the difference then is that
Speaker 2: a lot of times where she's seen without it, she's
Speaker 2: with Orlando Bloom, so it's less of a big headline
Speaker 2: making kind of thing, whereas she hasn't been seen with
Speaker 2: him for a while and she's not wearing her ring,
Speaker 2: and there's a story in People magazine and that's all
Speaker 2: the evidence we have.
Speaker 1: I say, when you just said that, you know, the
Speaker 1: sources say that things haven't been dol for a few months. Celebrities,
Speaker 1: I feel like they don't give it enough of a try,
Speaker 1: because a few months doesn't seem like a very long time.
Speaker 2: I know, but a few months since it sort of
Speaker 2: hit the publicity circuit, like it could have been happened
Speaker 2: for a really long time. Okay, you know again, we
Speaker 2: just don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I just feel like celebs. They're used to getting
Speaker 1: everything that they want in their lives being so easy.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, things are a little bit hard, I
Speaker 1: mean hard. Yeah, Oh fuck this, let's get a divorce.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know. They've been together for like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, six seven years something like that, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they count celep and she's had a rough time
Speaker 2: of it. Let's not forget she was married to Russell
Speaker 2: Brand that poor woman.
Speaker 1: Like, so she went to one of these shows in
Speaker 1: Sydney where he made awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's currently being accused of rape, so she's
Speaker 2: been through him quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. And then
Speaker 2: I actually, can I just say on the record that
Speaker 2: I'll be very sad if they break up because I've
Speaker 2: always felt that they have this like kind of you know,
Speaker 2: cutesy romance.
Speaker 1: Six seven years, that's a great relationship.
Speaker 2: But she has said on the record what she wants
Speaker 2: from a partner. So she went and call her daddy
Speaker 2: and she said, if he cleans the kitchen, I'll give
Speaker 2: him a blowjob, Like it's all I care about. She's like,
Speaker 2: I'll have sex with you or do whatever you want
Speaker 2: if you just clean up after yourself. Maybe he didn't
Speaker 2: clean the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Maybe he did not. Okay, more break up news.
Speaker 2: I know we're sorry to bring you all this sad.
Speaker 1: That's not really well.
Speaker 2: This whe we die not.
Speaker 1: Also, they don't have to be sad.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: You could still be friends, could be no longer romantically
Speaker 1: beautiful way to put it.
Speaker 2: Yes, the other breakup stories circulate at the moment, and
Speaker 2: to be fair, these two never talk about their relationships,
Speaker 2: so it could be nothing. But the world is quite
Speaker 2: certain that after eight years together that Chris Muttin, who
Speaker 2: is the lead singer of cole Play but more famously old.
Speaker 2: I think it's Oneth Paltrow's ex husband and dad Apple
Speaker 2: and Moses. Okay, they have the two children together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you know I hate that. I know this the
Speaker 2: information that sticks in my brain. Moses because he's got
Speaker 2: a song called Moses or it's got Moses in it.
Speaker 2: And when she was pregnant with their son, she would
Speaker 2: go and watch him play, and every time the song
Speaker 2: Moses came on, he would start kicking, so they called
Speaker 2: him Moses.
Speaker 1: Oh cute.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I know that.
Speaker 1: But because you're a wealth of celebrity.
Speaker 2: Because I just read things they do so well.
Speaker 1: That they have been dating you for eight years. I
Speaker 1: swear that I thought she was like twenty two.
Speaker 2: Oh no, she's in her thirties. But they've been together
Speaker 2: for but he's like in his late forties. It's like
Speaker 2: quite a So here's the tabloody side of it before
Speaker 2: we get into other side. So one is that they've
Speaker 2: never been super super public. They don't like walk off
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of red carpets together or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Remember, up until a few months ago, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that they were together. I thought she was with Pedro
Speaker 1: Pascal and.
Speaker 2: That was like, oh wow, that was a great deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I almost wanted to let you come on the podcast
Speaker 2: and put that information out here.
Speaker 1: But no, you know, we love to start romas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that would have been a big one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So they it's been the last couple of
Speaker 2: months that people have started to say, like, are they
Speaker 2: not together? Because even though they never do a lot
Speaker 2: of publicy together, so they never talk about each other
Speaker 2: in interviews, they want red carpets together, anything like that,
Speaker 2: but they always pitch it out like hugging in the street,
Speaker 2: arms around each other all so I think they just like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go out and live our lives and we're
Speaker 2: gonna get photographed and who cares. And she'll often go
Speaker 2: to his concerts and stuff and like be in the
Speaker 2: background all that sort of stuff. And Gwyneth, of course,
Speaker 2: Gwyneth is a chatty girl and nothing's off the record
Speaker 2: for her has talked about how much she loves having
Speaker 2: Dakota as like a sister wife and how close they are,
Speaker 2: and they've posted photos together, so she's like, really, you know,
Speaker 2: in the fold of the family, Dakota.
Speaker 1: Is just so sarcastic and not wellness. But no, but
Speaker 1: Gwyneth is very very sarcastic, but Dakota is just so
Speaker 1: not goop. It just I really, I guess I've got
Speaker 1: lots of friends with vastly different interests.
Speaker 2: I actually think Dakota is very goop. I actually think
Speaker 2: that she would be very much. She's been raised in
Speaker 2: that very intense Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Work she pretends not to be.
Speaker 2: I think she's Yeah, I think her persona is just
Speaker 2: like I'm just a quirky every girl. But I'm sure
Speaker 2: behind the scenes she's eating like very yeah, she's eating
Speaker 2: kale and having like yeah, and having like, you know,
Speaker 2: the juice of a snail squeeze into her paws and
Speaker 2: stuff like she I think she is I do that
Speaker 2: and I'm not. Yeah, but you're a beauty influencer, so
Speaker 2: I actually think that wouldn't be that. Gwyneth Paltrow is
Speaker 2: very much the world she grew up in. So if
Speaker 2: anyone's out of the lupet's Chris Martin, so she's very
Speaker 2: in that circle. But recently they haven't been pictured together,
Speaker 2: and then the rumor mills started that they've broken up
Speaker 2: with people. They have. They have come out with a
Speaker 2: full statement. That's the thing to say. That's why I
Speaker 2: feel like no one behind the scenes has talked about it.
Speaker 2: So when I say people, I mean like people on
Speaker 2: the street, not people magazine.
Speaker 1: People on the street looking outside their house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which they do think they've broken up because they
Speaker 2: haven't done even little references to each other for a while.
Speaker 2: They pictured together, and also it's just the rumor mill,
Speaker 2: and people are also saying that it's because the age
Speaker 2: gap has kind of become a bigger thing, but also
Speaker 2: that he was dragging his feet on their wedding. She's
Speaker 2: never said they're engaged. Or anything like that, but it's
Speaker 2: kind of been thought for a long time. But they're engaged,
Speaker 2: so it's out in the world. The interesting thing is
Speaker 2: that they never talk about being together, so they would
Speaker 2: never address a rumor that they were broken up.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't even out themselves as been.
Speaker 2: Seeing addressed so so publicly with such an intensity they
Speaker 2: haven't seen around them before that I'm just thinking, like,
Speaker 2: maybe it's true to an extent.
Speaker 1: And as we were saying, she's been very KOOKI extra cookie, yes,
Speaker 1: and her little publicity.
Speaker 2: So that's the interesting thing that if she was, if
Speaker 2: she wasn't in the public eye at all, I'd be
Speaker 2: kind of maybe less inclined to believe it, because why
Speaker 2: would she come out and do an interview about being
Speaker 2: with someone when she's off the publicity circuit. But she's
Speaker 2: very on the publicity circuit at the moment, and it's
Speaker 2: been a very kind of like very specific way that's
Speaker 2: been done. So she's doing publicity for her new movie Materialists,
Speaker 2: in which she stars with Pedro Pascal. And also.
Speaker 1: Maybe he is her secret boyfriend.
Speaker 2: You think that he broke him up, He certainly did.
Speaker 2: I don't even think that, however, I would love that
Speaker 2: to be true, because we would just dine out on
Speaker 2: that for weeks.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, what a glorious day for content, Well a
Speaker 1: not a glorious day for Chris Mattin.
Speaker 2: No poor Chris Mauttin or Pedroc Yeah I don't yeah,
Speaker 2: well no Pedro Perscal never publicly has a partner, any
Speaker 2: kind of partner, so we never know what's going on
Speaker 2: with him. He often has his sister coming to all
Speaker 2: their events and stuff. But he and Takota have been
Speaker 2: like pictured at concerts together. In one of them, they'd
Speaker 2: been pitched like on the street together. But they're doing
Speaker 2: press together, so that's kind of fine. He was wearing
Speaker 2: her shirt at one of the concerts, and what she said.
Speaker 1: Just they shmacked him and he couldn't find his own.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, she says, because he was dressed inappropriately
Speaker 2: for the cold weather and she had to give him
Speaker 2: a shirt. But I just I think if they were
Speaker 2: sleeping to here, they maybe just woantn't be so blatant.
Speaker 2: So I one hundred percent don't think that's story. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, or maybe they want to throw us off
Speaker 2: so many things. So she's on this press to a
Speaker 2: for the Materialists, which is a great movie. If anyone
Speaker 2: hasn't seen it yet, it will you just come to cinemas.
Speaker 2: But it's both great and harrowing and beautiful and also
Speaker 2: sometimes ridiculous. But like, I can't stop thinking about this movie.
Speaker 2: And so, but that movie is all about finding the
Speaker 2: one and how do you choose the person you want
Speaker 2: to spend your life with? And do you go like
Speaker 2: do you just.
Speaker 1: Get the one? That's like the modern day hitch oh too.
Speaker 2: I don't know anyone say it like that before. But
Speaker 2: she plays a match maker. Yeah, so she plays a
Speaker 2: matchmaker in a movie Dakota Johnson, and she's got this
Speaker 2: like long term entanglement with Chris Evans, but his character
Speaker 2: isn't right for her. And then she meets Pedro Pascal's character,
Speaker 2: who's like this billionaire, you know, unicorn of a man
Speaker 2: who is looking for a wife, and she starts dating
Speaker 2: him and then it's kind of like this like triangle
Speaker 2: between the three of them and this love story of
Speaker 2: who she should be with Jess like in real life, Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: Chris and Pedro just offer Chris battling it out exactly.
Speaker 2: So she's on the and she's been going so hard
Speaker 2: on the promo tour for this movie. And so she's
Speaker 2: been doing like so many a lot of press, a
Speaker 2: lot of different press, but saying nothing because you can
Speaker 2: see that she has either not that she had answers
Speaker 2: personal questions, but her team has said, like, she's not
Speaker 2: doing any real life questions. So she's doing a lot
Speaker 2: of games and gimmicks and other celebrities podcasts. So she
Speaker 2: went on Amy Pola's podcast, Good Hang. But even then
Speaker 2: she was like, she brought a puppy with her, being like,
Speaker 2: look at the puppy, don't look at me, don't talk
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: They haven't talked about silly things not yeah.
Speaker 2: And they're having this silly back and forth. And she's been,
Speaker 2: you know, going to doing the talk show circuit, and
Speaker 2: she always has the scene where she comes out in
Speaker 2: a dress and then sits down and then is like
Speaker 2: shocked and horrified that like her dress is really short,
Speaker 2: her boob is falling out or something like that. She's
Speaker 2: done that, which I understand that except me, Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I don't even think she's doing it to show her boob.
Speaker 2: I think she'd actually wouldn't care if the world saw
Speaker 2: her boobs or not. But I think it's just like
Speaker 2: little quirky thing.
Speaker 1: We have seen her boobs, haven't we, Yeah.
Speaker 2: In Fifty Shades all three movies, and they're beautiful. But
Speaker 2: I think it's more so that she was just like
Speaker 2: she comes out with these little things, like she knows
Speaker 2: that that will kind of go through the time and
Speaker 2: so they won't have to ask her any questions because
Speaker 2: she's folding a napkin into her dress and then that
Speaker 2: becomes the viral moment that everyone shares on TikTok and
Speaker 2: then no one's talking about she's the other stuff she is, Well,
Speaker 2: she's been raised in Hollywood. She's like third is her
Speaker 2: mom again, Her mom is Melanie Griffiths, Yeah, and her
Speaker 2: dad is the actor Don Johnson, and then her stepfather
Speaker 2: is Antonio Banderas. But then her grandmother is Tippy Heddrohn,
Speaker 2: who's one of the most iconic old school Hollywood actresses.
Speaker 2: So she's a third generation NEPO baby.
Speaker 1: Oh love it.
Speaker 2: And it shows those genes have been like mixed around
Speaker 2: a few times and they've come out to this like
Speaker 2: just quirky weird girl is She's the.
Speaker 1: One that was like I was homeless, like trying to yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you weren't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she loves to weave a story.
Speaker 1: She does.
Speaker 2: She's been doing that so she One interesting one that
Speaker 2: she did was with Vanity Fair and she's doing the
Speaker 2: lie Detective test and obviously, like you kind of like
Speaker 2: her and her team must like pre feed them questions
Speaker 2: to ask because and I think she was saving this
Speaker 2: story for it to kind of be this big moment
Speaker 2: on the press tour because she said this.
Speaker 1: You once sent a man who broke your friend's heart
Speaker 1: a gallon of gorilla shit? Can you confirm or deny
Speaker 1: that this happened? I mean, there's no way that he
Speaker 1: would watch this, So yes, I did do that. How
Speaker 1: would one order something like that asking for a friend?
Speaker 2: Shit senders dot com you can order any kind, any size, truthful.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I have.
Speaker 2: Is that a real place? She sent me stock calm? Look, yeah,
Speaker 2: please just called shit shit senders dot com because I
Speaker 2: thought she must have been joking, Like I've seen the
Speaker 2: clip going around. I love how she's like, he'll never
Speaker 2: watch this. I'm like, he won't have a chance because
Speaker 2: this has been broadcast on like every single social media
Speaker 2: platform probably knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone sent him a bag of shit.
Speaker 2: But gorilla shit is so specific.
Speaker 1: Is it big or stinky?
Speaker 2: I think it would be. I can't save ever is
Speaker 2: it real?
Speaker 1: Okay? Oh my god, that one isn't but okay, okay.
Speaker 1: There is Poopsenters dot com, shit express dot com. Then
Speaker 1: there's a Reddit thread. Somebody keeps she somebody keeps sending
Speaker 1: me shit literally literal shit from poop centers dot com
Speaker 1: and I don't and I don't know who it is.
Speaker 1: And it's been consecutive for the fourth time, and I
Speaker 1: want to sue her harassment. Yet the policy of the
Speaker 1: company keeps the center anonymous. I know you may laugh
Speaker 1: at my case, but I've been getting shit literal sheit
Speaker 1: sent to me.
Speaker 2: That is actually so upsetting I would die, But it's
Speaker 2: so funny.
Speaker 1: I need to find out how much this. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that the regular folk can do all.
Speaker 2: I mean, it would have put on the company card,
Speaker 2: like who do we hate? I can think of so
Speaker 2: many celebrities.
Speaker 1: A simple way to send a piece of shit around
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: I love that there's a market for this. How good
Speaker 2: is that order?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Does it? Can you actually order gorilla shit? Or is
Speaker 2: that off the market? Now?
Speaker 1: Animal? Okay? I can choose an elephant or ele ow.
Speaker 2: I feel like elephant, right, Elephant.
Speaker 1: Shit would be huge. I think cows and also like,
Speaker 1: but cow you could kind of get yourself.
Speaker 2: Elephant should have be much harder.
Speaker 1: You've gotta scoop it up, put it in a bag,
Speaker 1: then take it to the PI.
Speaker 2: I feel like at least that's attainable, like you, I
Speaker 2: mean not in Sydney, but like right, like from my hometown,
Speaker 2: there's cows and fields around. So an elephant you'd have
Speaker 2: to hop the fence at Tronkazoo. Okay, okay, is it
Speaker 2: reasonably priced?
Speaker 1: No, this is a different website with actual prices. Percenters
Speaker 1: dot com, the one that the surf from Reddit was
Speaker 1: upset about. Cow jung so for a court seventeen ninety five.
Speaker 2: That's so reasonable.
Speaker 1: Elephants crap a court eighteen ninety five. Gorilla pooh twenty dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she didn't even break the budget to
Speaker 2: send that.
Speaker 1: She really there's a combo pack. You can send a
Speaker 1: pack for ninety dollars.
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like she went for the megapack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's all three.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, that's beautiful, Gorilla.
Speaker 1: It's like gettingn Elephant Cow.
Speaker 2: It's like a fild where you order the sliders and
Speaker 2: you can get a different burger for each one. It's like, fum, wow,
Speaker 2: I really thought she was lying. I'm sorry to Coda Johnson.
Speaker 2: I thought you were lying about saying the shit, but
Speaker 2: you weren't. And now you've also opened up this world
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 1: And we have now given any spiller looking for a yes,
Speaker 1: quite an affordable way to do it.
Speaker 2: And affordable revenge is really what I'm looking for exactly,
Speaker 2: and also low stakes because like there's so many people
Speaker 2: I want it to take.
Speaker 1: Is that a really harassment?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think yes, if you keep doing
Speaker 2: it and if you're saying there threatening missage. But there's
Speaker 2: so many people I'd love to take revenge against. But
Speaker 2: I'm so lazy.
Speaker 1: I'm way too lazy.
Speaker 2: Oh I know that what I mean, Like I think
Speaker 2: about it, but then I'm like, oh, I have to
Speaker 2: go do this, like I have to. I can't even
Speaker 2: go to the post office. I can't do revenge. But
Speaker 2: that's so easy, so easy.
Speaker 1: Another one that I did have someone do for me
Speaker 1: as a joke, Yeah, revenge, but was like you send
Speaker 1: like a thing and like just a bunch of glitter
Speaker 1: dicks arrives. Oh, and you open it and it just explodes.
Speaker 2: That's kind of festive though if someone sent me that, though,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think it's annoying to clean up glitter. But
Speaker 2: I also think if someone sent me that, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I was wasteful.
Speaker 1: At least who isn't wasted?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could probably garden there. So she said that
Speaker 2: to distruct us, which it absolutely did.
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, oh my god. Why did she say
Speaker 1: these quirky, weird things.
Speaker 2: It's so we dedicated ten minute ten where.
Speaker 1: We start googling how to send someone shit.
Speaker 2: She's a clever girl, so she's I think she's been
Speaker 2: putting that out there because it must be really if
Speaker 2: what we think is true, and that they are going
Speaker 2: through this really intense breakup after being together for eight years,
Speaker 2: after like you know, according to Goneth Paltrow, her kids
Speaker 2: see her as another mother and they are breaking up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: as another mother and then they are breaking up. That
Speaker 2: would be really intense. But the intensity would be so
Speaker 2: heightened if you're then on oppress to have been asked.
Speaker 1: What people are going to ask, Yeah, but also.
Speaker 2: Being asked like some of the interviews I've seen two
Speaker 2: the more kind of focused ones are like, how do
Speaker 2: you know if you're in love? How do you know
Speaker 2: if you found the one? And that's why she and
Speaker 2: Pedro keep like doing these little cutesy answers.
Speaker 1: As a kid.
Speaker 2: Cokey cokey mm hmm, spelled the way the frog is spelled.
Speaker 2: Cokey see o q u I hyky cock. Yeah, my
Speaker 2: nickname is a little girl was cock fucking idiot? Oh
Speaker 2: my god. But really she's on a press too, talking
Speaker 2: about finding true love while she's potentially lost her true love.
Speaker 1: Oh that, Laura.
Speaker 2: You could not be these little celebs. I feel bad
Speaker 2: for them sometimes, so I do hope that one isn't true.
Speaker 2: I hope kay only do our truet as well. But
Speaker 2: that's the thing, like these.
Speaker 1: Stories just come to everyone could get a lot.
Speaker 2: But I also just sink these sometimes these stories blow
Speaker 2: up with such intensity and they have a lifespan of
Speaker 2: over a year, and they never come to for a
Speaker 2: and then after a while we get we just never
Speaker 2: talk about the fact that we were a pick, that
Speaker 2: this that these couples in our eyes were broken up
Speaker 2: for months and months and months and they're having another kid.
Speaker 2: The other sign that people think they're broken up just
Speaker 2: me is that Chris Martin's also been on tour recently
Speaker 2: and she hasn't been there, which when she's on a
Speaker 2: press to us. When she's on a press tour, she
Speaker 2: doesn't go to his shows. But as he was finishing
Speaker 2: one of his shows, he yelled out, this, don't forget
Speaker 2: to go and see like serious, we love you, we
Speaker 2: think love bless him.
Speaker 1: Why would that be a sign there, well, because he's
Speaker 1: never done that before.
Speaker 2: They don't reference each other in any way, So people
Speaker 2: are thinking, like, you could take it both ways. You
Speaker 2: could take it the way that they have seen the headlines,
Speaker 2: which of course you would even if you're not looking
Speaker 2: because like Dakoda especially doesn't have the social media, but
Speaker 2: your publishers would be telling you that. You would say like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to say that to prove that we're still together.
Speaker 2: But that's so different to their usual playbook. What people
Speaker 2: think has happened is that they have broken up. And
Speaker 2: Chris Martin, very famously good friends with.
Speaker 3: His exes, consciously uncomord and he has said that as
Speaker 3: a whole of like we're almost like a message to
Speaker 3: her and her team and their family and stuff like
Speaker 3: we've broken up, but I'm still gonna speak well of you,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to tell this whole stadium of people
Speaker 3: to go and see your movie because I know that
Speaker 3: this is a huge week for you when you're doing
Speaker 3: promo and I want you.
Speaker 2: To see it. Either way.
Speaker 1: Nice, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Is very nice. Well, we'll see I I again. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're broken up, but only time will tell.
Speaker 2: Until then, we have a great way to enact revenge
Speaker 2: on our enemies. And I feel like that's the takeaway
Speaker 2: from today.
Speaker 1: If you ever annoy me, expect to find a bag
Speaker 1: of shit at your door. So thanks so much for
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