WEBVTT - Jojo Siwa Pissing Off The Internet [throw back]

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<v Speaker 2>Jojo Siwa and the time or should they say times

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<v Speaker 2>she pissed off the Internet. Jojo Sewah was a child

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<v Speaker 2>star on Dance Mums and she invented those big, ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>Jojo bos all the kids were wearing for a time.

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<v Speaker 2>She also dressed up as a member of Kiss for

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<v Speaker 2>no apparent reason, and we will get into that. Take

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<v Speaker 2>a few breaths, like Jojo should have before she watched

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<v Speaker 2>her solo career, and let's begin. This is a moment

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<v Speaker 2>from our big episode on the One, the Only, the Icon,

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<v Speaker 2>the Greatest Jojo Siwah Karma and relatedly, the promotion of Karma.

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<v Speaker 2>In April this year, Jojo released her debut single as

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<v Speaker 2>a grown up artist. Come, I was a bad girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I did some bad thos. I swear I did it

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<v Speaker 1>off for fun and knit and nursing it never have.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only is the song appalling, but the film clip

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<v Speaker 2>is hypersexual and just very strange. Yeah all right, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's just ender some vibes. Okay, so cas banch and

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<v Speaker 2>it's and the dance is severely lacking in tricks. The

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<v Speaker 2>dance is a series of sharp movements that will do

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<v Speaker 2>your neck out too much. It's too much. The dance

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be real back twenty too much. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>good on the joints. And then it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a jump in there and it's not hot. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make you look good. It doesn't have any rhythm.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just bam bam, bam bam bam, which brings us

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<v Speaker 2>to the aesthetic, which is just kiss the band kiss.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a lightning thing on her on her face,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's wearing kind of black leather as though she

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<v Speaker 2>vented it. But that's just you just stole it. Promoting

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<v Speaker 2>the single, she said in an interview with Billboard, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to start a new genre of music. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>gay pop. People got really mad. Is she gay? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding? Have you seen the film clip that

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<v Speaker 2>it starts with her humping a girl? Yeah? No, I

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<v Speaker 2>did say I didn't know. I didn't know. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>something interesting about the film clip is, and people have

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<v Speaker 2>commented on this, she loves to dance about her sexuality.

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<v Speaker 2>She loves humping, humping, dry humping. Well, she went to

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<v Speaker 2>she is, but there's no kissing. Okay, it's like hyper

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<v Speaker 2>sexualized without like the kind of tiny Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's very a dance it is. It is. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>a dance school because you kind of learn you learn splits,

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<v Speaker 2>you learn pirouette, and you learn as aforementioned tump in

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<v Speaker 2>a chair, so you've got three moves in your epertoire

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<v Speaker 2>and in order to do her film clip, she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>a hump, I'll do a jump. She does this awful

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<v Speaker 2>jump with like bent legs. It just doesn't look right.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like bad anyway. So there's never been a

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<v Speaker 2>gay pop ye. People got really upset about her, saying

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<v Speaker 2>she was inventing a genre called gayo George Michael, George, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>Elton John, just so many. Then there was backlash from

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<v Speaker 2>queer musicians Teagan and Sarah, who did a video being like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they even said anything, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>just that audio and then being like you feel serious

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<v Speaker 2>because they yeah, massive queer pop a while ago. See

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<v Speaker 2>what said in the later interview, I am not the

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<v Speaker 2>inventor of gay pop for sure. Not I might not

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<v Speaker 2>be the president, but I might be the CEO or

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<v Speaker 2>the CMO. She also then went on a tangent about

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<v Speaker 2>like what I meant was like, gay pop isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>genre like blues or wrap, And it's like, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>because it's you have four hundred people working for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Why doesn't anyone brief you on like a line on

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<v Speaker 2>what to say in an interview, what not to say.

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<v Speaker 2>We rehearse, you know how hard you rehearse those dances

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<v Speaker 2>because I did not ask my TikTok algorithm to show me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen every free rehearsal of you doing a Karma

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<v Speaker 2>dance and I must stay. Actually, I remember thinking this,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an incredible launch, like in terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>publicity in MS, it's incredible in terms of quantity. Quantity, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the girl goes hard on quantity. She was on call

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<v Speaker 2>her daddy. The song hasn't done well in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>things I want to cancel Jojo Force okay, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is what I was confused about is according to the world,

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<v Speaker 2>that song of them performing, according to Jojo Si was TikTok,

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<v Speaker 2>that song best was performing song ever created, which same

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<v Speaker 2>with my in with everyone's Instagram. Yes, but when that

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<v Speaker 2>song came out, she said something that sounded like when

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote Karma, but not those exact words, and then

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<v Speaker 2>everybody got mad because they were like, you didn't write it.

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<v Speaker 2>This other artist, brit somebody had already released it. And

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<v Speaker 2>what happens in pop music is like this brit person

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<v Speaker 2>never properly released it, so it kind of goes back

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<v Speaker 2>into the pool, and then Jojo picked it out and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, I never said that I wrote it, which

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<v Speaker 2>her language was careful. Anyway, people got so mad at

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<v Speaker 2>Jojo for saying she wrote it that the brit version

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<v Speaker 2>of Karma was higher in the charts than JoJo's version.

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<v Speaker 2>The internet just trolls her back. Yeah, I just troll

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<v Speaker 2>her back. She also criticized online culture when she was

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<v Speaker 2>getting some of the backlash for this, saying I could

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<v Speaker 2>say I want well peace and everyone would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>how dare you want peace to the world? It'll blow

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<v Speaker 2>up In her defense, yes, that is into culture. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but also you're saying some weird things. You're saying some

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<v Speaker 2>weird things, Jesse. Here are a couple of my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>interview clips from her. I'd call it a promotional tour,

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<v Speaker 2>which let's remember she's not promoting an album, She's promoting

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<v Speaker 2>a single, okay, And this is what people in the

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<v Speaker 2>music industry will tell you. Less making music, more promotion. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and she has heard that message loud and clear.

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<v Speaker 1>No one has made this dramatic of a change yet,

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<v Speaker 1>no one has made in my generation this extreme of

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<v Speaker 1>a switch. And I am the first of the generation.

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<v Speaker 2>It is very.

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<v Speaker 1>Scary, but was gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 2>She reminds me of my administration has accomplished more than

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<v Speaker 2>almost any administration. She has the same, and she has

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Trumper. I mean it lovingly, which is but it's

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<v Speaker 2>like audacity, audacity and delusion. Miley Cyrus, for example, is

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<v Speaker 2>someone who made an incredible transformation. Mana. She didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 2>No one says that. No one says that. But then

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<v Speaker 2>she said of my generation, I'm like, oh, you are

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, like something else is in her generation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know, but it just it's a

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<v Speaker 2>weird thing to say, Honey, we need to again twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent less always.

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<v Speaker 1>And I started doing music and honestly, we started off

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<v Speaker 1>like pretty pretty calm, like nothing like nothing like what's

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<v Speaker 1>up right now? And then I got pitched this song Karma,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the first word is ours a bad girl.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh fuck, it's a good song.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, but I can't say that. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm a bad girl. I'm not. I sang every

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<v Speaker 1>Girl's a super girl last week, like I can't sing

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<v Speaker 1>I was a bad girl this week.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work Jesse. That's from her daddy. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I listened to the whole thing on and she

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<v Speaker 2>was what did she with? The friend of that? With

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<v Speaker 2>the Remember when we were in high school and you

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<v Speaker 2>would get doorbeats. Doorbeats were disgusting the way and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like this is distracting and no one says anything. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just the whole time. But it's the earnestness. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the lyrics were you think that she's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say something outrage but she's like, I can't. Wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>bad grow It wasn't a bad gros. She's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>was eighteen, I wasn't a bad girl. But now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one and it's like, whoa jojo? What have you done?

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<v Speaker 2>Your hair down? Taking it at your bones? It very

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<v Speaker 2>easy to mark. I don't think there's a word in

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<v Speaker 2>the English language for jojo energy. It's such confidence in yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It's a generation that grew up on believe

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<v Speaker 2>in yourself and that's all you need to do. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like when they talk about themselves, tears come to their eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>They are over there come, they're moved by themselves and

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<v Speaker 2>their own talent. Yeah, and brilliant and success. Yeah, cancel listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you help us think of a word? Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to add a new word to the dictionary that

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<v Speaker 2>is jojo. And also Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I am the first of the generation. Nobody can do

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<v Speaker 1>it like me?

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody? Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And my podcast, Oh my gosh, I mean, honestly, let's

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<v Speaker 1>myst think that one of my exes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, dream guess on my podcast all of my exes all. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I have said that sentence so many times. Dream guess

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<v Speaker 2>on my podcast one. Why does she sound like two

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<v Speaker 2>things smoking for fifty years?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Selma from the Simpsons. What are their names?

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<v Speaker 2>Marge's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she sounds like them.

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<v Speaker 2>He's wearing paint, which is interesting because her instrument is

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<v Speaker 2>her voice and she doesn't take care of it. The

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<v Speaker 2>vocal friars out of this world. Yes, one of my axes. All.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a way that she's so like can you believe her?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like you said it. She turns around and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, that's okay. She just thinks she's so

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<v Speaker 2>cool and chilled out and relaxed. Yes, like she's just

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<v Speaker 2>said something candid. It's like she's writing the headline as

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<v Speaker 2>she says it. Yeah, like Joel d And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>but what you've said isn't even a very unusual thing

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<v Speaker 2>to say. It's not particularly interesting, and you've added too

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<v Speaker 2>much energy to it. You know. People say like it's

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<v Speaker 2>confidence instead of competence, or something like, it's your confidence

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<v Speaker 2>is masking a lack of substance beneath speaking of confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>did you know that she got the I makeup that

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<v Speaker 2>she had at the iHeart Radio Awards that were flight

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<v Speaker 2>stopid stopid sheerves to free there. It's the same eye

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<v Speaker 2>makeup and costume that she wears in the film clip

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<v Speaker 2>for Karma. Anyway, she got that tattooed on her forearm. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna regret that. Gonna regret that, Jojo. This is

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<v Speaker 2>why we need to do things in arms. We just

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<v Speaker 2>need to be a little bit more half hearted with

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<v Speaker 2>what we put out into the world. Jesse. Here are

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<v Speaker 2>some of the reactions to Karma. I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>read them, all right, tell me why. I just watched

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<v Speaker 2>Jojo Seawa's music video and she was humping the girl

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<v Speaker 2>so harshly. I have tears. I'm embarrassed in this community

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<v Speaker 2>that video should have stayed in the drafts. Yeah, correct, Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go. The film clip is just I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think she's very good at cory. Yeah, I reckon that.

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<v Speaker 2>If Abby Lee teaches her a dance, I think she

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<v Speaker 2>can pull it up. I don't think she's a choreographer. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I need everyone to know. The label told Jojo sewat

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<v Speaker 2>no on the budget to create this music video, so

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<v Speaker 2>she paid for the entire thing herself, co directed it,

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<v Speaker 2>and co choreographed it. She talks quite emotionally about how

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<v Speaker 2>she had the concept for this video two years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're like, oh my gosh, what is the concept?

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<v Speaker 2>What's it trying to say? It's you are dressed as

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<v Speaker 2>cussed on an island neck. Yeah, yeah, throwing your neck out.

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<v Speaker 2>Get that. JoJo's see video off my timeline. I'm begging.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel exactly the same because it wasn't just the

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<v Speaker 2>music video. It was then everywhere Jojo goes, she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Everyone's like

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<v Speaker 2>please straight you can surprised. She's a pride and everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>like she's doing it. There's one in I think Times

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<v Speaker 2>Square there's like and I'm just like, Jojo, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hate yourself because she slams too hard. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're young now, but your ankles can't handle it. Jojo. Me,

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't an earthquake. I was learning, Jojo, see why

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<v Speaker 2>choreography now? That was in response to there was actually

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<v Speaker 2>an earthquake, and there are a bunch of tweets being like,

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<v Speaker 2>not an earthquake, not an earthquake, A show an earthquake?

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<v Speaker 2>That got to Coda Johnson drawing that interview correctly was correct. Question. Finally, Jojo,

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<v Speaker 2>have you learned nothing? There's a viral moment from Dance

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<v Speaker 2>Mums where Jojo asks the question and Abby yells at her.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what she says, don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know the order episollas?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you learned nothing? What she say She's like, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know the order of the solos? Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>the order of the solos? The order that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>in for our solo for WANs and she asks someone

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<v Speaker 2>happy it's just furious. She wasn't yell have you learned nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>But angry.

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<v Speaker 1>Jojo.

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<v Speaker 2>She's so bad, she's so angry. People say JoJo's face

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<v Speaker 2>is actually quite cute. Reaction to that, because she's not skeed,

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<v Speaker 2>she's just confused. She looks like a puppy. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of scream you would do if your child ran

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<v Speaker 2>onto a highway and was really like their life was

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<v Speaker 2>in danger and you just had a second to get

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<v Speaker 2>them back. Jo She asked the stupid question. She does time.

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<v Speaker 2>But my point is now the internet is yelling the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing at Jojo because she's released another song. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>has she called guilty Pleasure? Why have I not heard

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<v Speaker 2>this where it's a publicity Well, where's the publicity pleasure?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not different, it's not different, it's just sid on.

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<v Speaker 2>What she's done is she's re oriented the Karma dance

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<v Speaker 2>to face the side, and what it has is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what I'm in a term a stump and clump,

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<v Speaker 2>which is when we're just stumping really really hard, which

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<v Speaker 2>is I think what dancers do when they're making up

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<v Speaker 2>for a lack of excitement in their routine is they

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<v Speaker 2>just stamp really hard. And I guess if you're Jojo,

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<v Speaker 2>you're known for your energy. You're known for your energy.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're lacking flips, bridges, high kit. It's not enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse here are the reactions. There needs to be like

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<v Speaker 2>a three year break between each song so we can

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<v Speaker 2>recover mentally. I think my for you page knew that

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<v Speaker 2>I needed a Jojo. They go, no, it's okay, we won't.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone's written in capitals, Jojo, what's this? That's me? I

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<v Speaker 2>think my pleasure piece just shriveled up and died. True, yeah, sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Pleasure Piece is part of the Levy Okay. JoJo's biggest

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<v Speaker 2>fan is Jojo, and I do agree with that the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers were taken by that dance, and she's the one

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<v Speaker 2>who you know, we need to make up of TikTok dance.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea is that it goes viral and them people

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<v Speaker 2>do it. I've not seen a single person catch on.

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<v Speaker 2>The only person I see do JoJo's dance is Jojo.

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<v Speaker 2>People mocking. Nobody has been like all in earnest learn

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<v Speaker 2>this dance to look like Jojo, which could be a

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<v Speaker 2>genius PR strategy. Yeah, because a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 2>recreated it to laugh at it. To listen to that

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<v Speaker 2>entire episode, click the link. In our show notes, we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about her time on dance Mums and when she

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<v Speaker 2>dressed up as a monkey. We're recanceling three things every

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<v Speaker 2>week over the summer break, including celebrities, TV shows, celebrity couples,

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<v Speaker 2>and press tours because we need to keep the investigations running.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find videos from the podcast and evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>or on TikTok At canceled the podcast, Bye Bye,