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Speaker 2: The Lazy Girls Guide to Bizarre celebrity cancelations. I'm Claus

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Speaker 2: favorite moments from Canceled this year. And on top of

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Speaker 2: brand new episodes dropping about the topics you couldn't stop

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Speaker 2: talking about this year. Today, we need to talk about

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Speaker 2: Jojo Siwa and the time or should they say times

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Speaker 2: she pissed off the Internet. Jojo Sewah was a child

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Speaker 2: star on Dance Mums and she invented those big, ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Jojo bos all the kids were wearing for a time.

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Speaker 2: She also dressed up as a member of Kiss for

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Speaker 2: no apparent reason, and we will get into that. Take

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Speaker 2: a few breaths, like Jojo should have before she watched

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Speaker 2: her solo career, and let's begin. This is a moment

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Speaker 2: from our big episode on the One, the Only, the Icon,

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Speaker 2: the Greatest Jojo Siwah Karma and relatedly, the promotion of Karma.

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Speaker 2: In April this year, Jojo released her debut single as

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Speaker 2: a grown up artist. Come, I was a bad girl.

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Speaker 1: I did some bad thos. I swear I did it

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Speaker 1: off for fun and knit and nursing it never have.

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Speaker 2: Not only is the song appalling, but the film clip

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Speaker 2: is hypersexual and just very strange. Yeah all right, so

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Speaker 2: let's just ender some vibes. Okay, so cas banch and

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Speaker 2: it's and the dance is severely lacking in tricks. The

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Speaker 2: your neck out too much. It's too much. The dance

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Speaker 2: needs to be real back twenty too much. It's not

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Speaker 2: there's a jump in there and it's not hot. It

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Speaker 2: It's just bam bam, bam bam bam, which brings us

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Speaker 2: to the aesthetic, which is just kiss the band kiss.

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Speaker 2: But it's a lightning thing on her on her face,

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Speaker 2: and she's wearing kind of black leather as though she

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Speaker 2: vented it. But that's just you just stole it. Promoting

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Speaker 2: the single, she said in an interview with Billboard, I

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Speaker 2: want to start a new genre of music. It's called

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Speaker 2: gay pop. People got really mad. Is she gay? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Have you seen the film clip that

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Speaker 2: it starts with her humping a girl? Yeah? No, I

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Speaker 2: did say I didn't know. I didn't know. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: something interesting about the film clip is, and people have

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Speaker 2: She loves humping, humping, dry humping. Well, she went to

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Speaker 2: she is, but there's no kissing. Okay, it's like hyper

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Speaker 2: sexualized without like the kind of tiny Well, I mean

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Speaker 2: that's very a dance it is. It is. It's very

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Speaker 2: you learn pirouette, and you learn as aforementioned tump in

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Speaker 2: and in order to do her film clip, she was like,

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Speaker 2: It looks like bad anyway. So there's never been a

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Speaker 2: gay pop ye. People got really upset about her, saying

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Speaker 2: queer musicians Teagan and Sarah, who did a video being like,

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Speaker 2: because they yeah, massive queer pop a while ago. See

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Speaker 2: inventor of gay pop for sure. Not I might not

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Speaker 2: genre like blues or wrap, And it's like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: We rehearse, you know how hard you rehearse those dances

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Speaker 2: because I did not ask my TikTok algorithm to show me.

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Speaker 2: I've seen every free rehearsal of you doing a Karma

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Speaker 2: dance and I must stay. Actually, I remember thinking this,

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Speaker 2: things I want to cancel Jojo Force okay, because this

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Speaker 2: The internet just trolls her back. Yeah, I just troll

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Speaker 2: her back. She also criticized online culture when she was

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Speaker 2: getting some of the backlash for this, saying I could

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Speaker 2: say I want well peace and everyone would be like,

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Speaker 2: up In her defense, yes, that is into culture. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but also you're saying some weird things. You're saying some

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Speaker 2: weird things, Jesse. Here are a couple of my favorite

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Speaker 2: interview clips from her. I'd call it a promotional tour,

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Speaker 2: which let's remember she's not promoting an album, She's promoting

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Speaker 2: a single, okay, And this is what people in the

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Speaker 1: No one has made this dramatic of a change yet,

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Speaker 1: no one has made in my generation this extreme of

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Speaker 1: Scary, but was gonna do it.

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Speaker 2: She reminds me of my administration has accomplished more than

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Speaker 2: like audacity, audacity and delusion. Miley Cyrus, for example, is

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Speaker 2: someone who made an incredible transformation. Mana. She didn't say that.

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Speaker 1: And I started doing music and honestly, we started off

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Speaker 1: like pretty pretty calm, like nothing like nothing like what's

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Speaker 1: up right now? And then I got pitched this song Karma,

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Speaker 1: and it's the first word is ours a bad girl.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh fuck, it's a good song.

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Speaker 1: I was like, but I can't say that. I can't

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Speaker 1: say I'm a bad girl. I'm not. I sang every

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work Jesse. That's from her daddy. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think I listened to the whole thing on and she

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Speaker 2: was what did she with? The friend of that? With

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Speaker 2: twenty one and it's like, whoa jojo? What have you done?

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Speaker 2: Your hair down? Taking it at your bones? It very

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Speaker 2: easy to mark. I don't think there's a word in

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Speaker 2: the English language for jojo energy. It's such confidence in yourself.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's a generation that grew up on believe

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Speaker 2: in yourself and that's all you need to do. It's

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Speaker 2: like when they talk about themselves, tears come to their eyes.

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Speaker 2: They are over there come, they're moved by themselves and

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Speaker 2: their own talent. Yeah, and brilliant and success. Yeah, cancel listeners.

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Speaker 2: Can you help us think of a word? Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: need to add a new word to the dictionary that

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Speaker 1: I am the first of the generation. Nobody can do

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Speaker 1: it like me?

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Speaker 1: And my podcast, Oh my gosh, I mean, honestly, let's

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Speaker 2: Oh, dream guess on my podcast all of my exes all. Now,

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Speaker 2: I have said that sentence so many times. Dream guess

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Speaker 2: on my podcast one. Why does she sound like two

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Speaker 2: things smoking for fifty years?

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Speaker 2: It's like Selma from the Simpsons. What are their names?

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Speaker 2: Marge's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she sounds like them.

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Speaker 2: He's wearing paint, which is interesting because her instrument is

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Speaker 2: It's a way that she's so like can you believe her?

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Speaker 2: And it's like you said it. She turns around and

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Speaker 2: she's like, oh, that's okay. She just thinks she's so

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Speaker 2: said something candid. It's like she's writing the headline as

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Speaker 2: she says it. Yeah, like Joel d And it's like,

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Speaker 2: to say. It's not particularly interesting, and you've added too

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Speaker 2: much energy to it. You know. People say like it's

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Speaker 2: is masking a lack of substance beneath speaking of confidence,

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Speaker 2: did you know that she got the I makeup that

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Speaker 2: she had at the iHeart Radio Awards that were flight

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Speaker 2: stopid stopid sheerves to free there. It's the same eye

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Speaker 2: makeup and costume that she wears in the film clip

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Speaker 2: for Karma. Anyway, she got that tattooed on her forearm. Oh,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna regret that. Gonna regret that, Jojo. This is

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Speaker 2: why we need to do things in arms. We just

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Speaker 2: what we put out into the world. Jesse. Here are

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Speaker 2: some of the reactions to Karma. I want you to

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Speaker 2: read them, all right, tell me why. I just watched

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Speaker 2: Jojo Seawa's music video and she was humping the girl

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Speaker 2: so harshly. I have tears. I'm embarrassed in this community

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Speaker 2: here we go. The film clip is just I don't

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Speaker 2: That got to Coda Johnson drawing that interview correctly was correct. Question. Finally, Jojo,

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Speaker 2: She's so bad, she's so angry. People say JoJo's face

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Speaker 2: has she called guilty Pleasure? Why have I not heard

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Speaker 2: Someone's written in capitals, Jojo, what's this? That's me? I

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Speaker 2: Pleasure Piece is part of the Levy Okay. JoJo's biggest

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