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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mom and Mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on.

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Speaker 3: I am pregnanty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Hello Bump. We're making pregnancy less overwhelming and

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Speaker 2: more manageable. I'm Gracery Ray. I'm pregnant for the first time.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the wrong week thirty weeks, thirty weeks, thirty weeks. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'm Gracey Ray. I'm pregnant for the first time and

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Speaker 2: things are getting uncomfortable. I thought they were uncomfortable, but

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Speaker 2: now they're uncomfortable and.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna get work. Sorry guys listening.

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Speaker 3: I'm young A Pittman. I'm a former sportsperson for Australia.

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Speaker 3: I'm a mother of six little humans, and I'm training

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Speaker 3: to be an obstetrician.

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Speaker 2: Each episode, we will be holding your hand week by

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Speaker 2: week through the mysterious, perplexing and often uncomfortable but still

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Speaker 2: miracle that is pregnancy, all the way from a poppy

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Speaker 2: seed to a pumpkin.

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Speaker 3: Week thirty five five, Oh hang on, no, that's right,

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Speaker 3: and in o stetch weeks we see that it's a

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Speaker 3: big milestone week. So this is often the goal of

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Speaker 3: people who are unfortunately in preterm labor or concern their

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Speaker 3: babies coming early to reach that thirty week mark. Babies

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Speaker 3: have really really good outcomes from this point.

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Speaker 2: Forward pretty much. What's the percentage of viable? Would you say?

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Speaker 3: Very close to ninety five and above? So we have

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Speaker 3: I mean again, it depends on what condition that little

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Speaker 3: baby is born in. So but if that little one

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Speaker 3: comes out and has had steroids to mature its lungs

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Speaker 3: and sometimes what we call some magnesium sulfate for its

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Speaker 3: brain development, then we have a very good chance that

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Speaker 3: they'll do well.

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Speaker 1: Still a prolonged stay in you qugo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to be there for a few months,

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Speaker 3: and things like feeding and whether they get an infection

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Speaker 3: in the noon. Adult care unities will determine the prognosis.

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Speaker 3: But like ninety five is pretty quid. Yeah, getting up

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Speaker 3: there now.

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Speaker 2: And for their size. I have a little mini beach ball.

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Speaker 1: I like that, like one of those little red and

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Speaker 1: white ones. Yeah, yes, I love it, you love it?

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Speaker 1: Love it?

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Speaker 3: A bag of sugar great, and a blackfooted ferret cute?

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Speaker 1: Do we have those in Australia?

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Speaker 2: It sounds cute?

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Speaker 1: Right, We'll go with that or a pest or a pest.

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Speaker 2: Which is both it could be one yeah, yeah, And scientifically,

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Speaker 2: how big are they.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're getting up to about one point five kilos now,

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Speaker 3: but again the variation is super kicking in at this point,

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Speaker 3: so we can have some babies down at seven eight

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Speaker 3: Which is one of the biggest things we start seeing

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Speaker 3: with Bubby now is that though they start looking plumper

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Speaker 3: of those fat stores down, different fat from what we've got.

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Speaker 3: They have brown fat more than we do because that's

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Speaker 3: where we'll keep them warm when they're actually born. They've

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Speaker 3: got that Lanugo hair. So if you ever see babies

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Speaker 3: that'll start actually moving around and disappearing now and they'll

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Speaker 3: So you're continuing to grow as you'll be feeling. I

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Speaker 3: People see their linear albo getting darker. That's big, the

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Speaker 3: Most people start feeling stretched earlier than this. You still can,

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Speaker 3: And I'll actually protect your abdominal muscles as you move

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Speaker 2: And I even from rolling like I'm obviously sleeping on

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Speaker 2: It's okay, we haven't, right, we can't.

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Speaker 1: You haven't. You haven't stopped your baby's growth.

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Speaker 3: Now. The reason we do it is because you're actually

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Speaker 2: Is this normal?

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Speaker 1: Normal?

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Speaker 2: Haven't? Is this normal that I think is quite common

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Speaker 2: and it's having to be sent for additional growth scans? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So they measure in my midwife appointments, they measure is

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Speaker 2: it called fundl height, Yes, you got it. So they

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Speaker 2: When I did start sending texts to friends, it turns

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Speaker 2: be sent for growth scans is also controversial because it's

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Speaker 1: Interpret them properly.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, So there is a lot of information there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the first one is your fundle Height's amazing.

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Speaker 3: It actually matches your gestation in most cases. So when

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Speaker 3: we do we call serial growth scans, because I wh're

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Speaker 3: not looking at the baby in a split second of time.

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Speaker 3: We want to see what it was at twenty eight weeks,

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Speaker 2: So one of the things that my midwife also said

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Speaker 2: this can open a can of worms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this.

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Speaker 2: This is going good because of this exact thing that

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Speaker 2: people can get freaked out about it head correct or

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Speaker 2: can then again open another can of worms. So what's

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Speaker 2: your opinion on it?

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Speaker 3: Look, it's hard because if you're having an ultrasound for

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 3: I liked having LCOT sounds because I liked looking at

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