1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,154 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom with Mia podcast. Makeup is 2 00:00:16,194 --> 00:00:20,553 Speaker 1: My Therapy. I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty 3 00:00:20,553 --> 00:00:26,954 Speaker 1: about it. Hello, and welcome to you beauty. This is 4 00:00:26,994 --> 00:00:29,874 Speaker 1: the podcast for your Face. I'm Kelly McCarran and this 5 00:00:30,114 --> 00:00:33,634 Speaker 1: is the formula. This is your deep dive episode where 6 00:00:33,674 --> 00:00:37,913 Speaker 1: I interview all sorts of beauty professionals and experts and 7 00:00:38,034 --> 00:00:41,593 Speaker 1: celebs to find out what they love, what's in their routine, 8 00:00:41,674 --> 00:00:44,553 Speaker 1: and what is at the front of their beauty cabinet. 9 00:00:44,793 --> 00:00:48,473 Speaker 1: Today you are going to be so excited because I'm 10 00:00:48,593 --> 00:00:52,953 Speaker 1: interviewing the one and only Violette Sarah Now. She is 11 00:00:53,473 --> 00:00:57,354 Speaker 1: the founder of Violette Affair, which is that really cool 12 00:00:57,434 --> 00:01:00,714 Speaker 1: luxury French brand that Len and I was so excited 13 00:01:00,794 --> 00:01:04,794 Speaker 1: launched into Mecca a couple of years ago. So welcome, Violette, 14 00:01:04,874 --> 00:01:12,994 Speaker 1: you such beautiful skill, How welcome. We're so excited to 15 00:01:13,514 --> 00:01:17,234 Speaker 1: have you here. We read in a profile that you 16 00:01:17,274 --> 00:01:20,074 Speaker 1: did with Into the Gloss that you actually started your 17 00:01:20,114 --> 00:01:23,994 Speaker 1: career with painting lessons rather than make up lessons. It's 18 00:01:24,114 --> 00:01:27,474 Speaker 1: very very interesting. So can you tell us about how 19 00:01:27,514 --> 00:01:30,674 Speaker 1: you went from being a student of art and fashion 20 00:01:30,714 --> 00:01:33,754 Speaker 1: to working as a makeup artist for global beauty brands 21 00:01:33,754 --> 00:01:35,114 Speaker 1: and then creating your own brand. 22 00:01:35,514 --> 00:01:39,354 Speaker 2: So I was, yeah, studying art and fashion with my 23 00:01:39,474 --> 00:01:42,594 Speaker 2: friend partying at the time was really important for me. 24 00:01:43,234 --> 00:01:46,234 Speaker 2: And we had disclosum party in Paris and my friends 25 00:01:46,234 --> 00:01:47,794 Speaker 2: are like, I just put makeup on me. I was like, 26 00:01:48,274 --> 00:01:50,354 Speaker 2: what do you mean. I never I just know how 27 00:01:50,354 --> 00:01:52,554 Speaker 2: to do a red lip, that's it. So it's like, 28 00:01:52,594 --> 00:01:54,674 Speaker 2: you're fine, you paint, it's the same. 29 00:01:55,114 --> 00:01:55,674 Speaker 3: So I did. 30 00:01:55,514 --> 00:01:59,994 Speaker 2: Painting on her, not makeup, see yeah, and then I 31 00:02:00,034 --> 00:02:02,954 Speaker 2: did it on me and I was like, wow, it's 32 00:02:02,954 --> 00:02:05,994 Speaker 2: like dressing up a face and painting a face at 33 00:02:05,994 --> 00:02:08,554 Speaker 2: the same time. Maybe I can do both of my 34 00:02:08,633 --> 00:02:11,953 Speaker 2: studies together into one become a magap artist. But I 35 00:02:11,954 --> 00:02:14,274 Speaker 2: had family in industry, in the fashion industry, and I 36 00:02:14,353 --> 00:02:16,394 Speaker 2: knew kind of like, okay, you have to go to 37 00:02:16,394 --> 00:02:18,234 Speaker 2: school or the us sist for a long time, and 38 00:02:18,274 --> 00:02:20,114 Speaker 2: I didn't want to do any of it because I thought, 39 00:02:20,234 --> 00:02:22,714 Speaker 2: if I do it this way, I don't want to 40 00:02:22,754 --> 00:02:27,434 Speaker 2: be distracted from my background. So let me just try 41 00:02:27,474 --> 00:02:29,874 Speaker 2: to become a megap artist without knowing how to make up. 42 00:02:29,914 --> 00:02:34,034 Speaker 1: Basically to you are completely self taught. Yeah, oh my goodness. 43 00:02:34,074 --> 00:02:37,594 Speaker 1: That is amazing. When you first started that story, I 44 00:02:37,594 --> 00:02:40,994 Speaker 1: imagined that the costume was the makeup and that she 45 00:02:41,194 --> 00:02:43,954 Speaker 1: was nude, but you just painted her entire body and 46 00:02:43,994 --> 00:02:44,794 Speaker 1: I was like, that's cool. 47 00:02:45,034 --> 00:02:46,594 Speaker 3: No, it was just a face. 48 00:02:46,994 --> 00:02:50,394 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I could glitter and I was like, oh, 49 00:02:50,394 --> 00:02:52,874 Speaker 2: that's so fun because I canvass when you paint to 50 00:02:52,954 --> 00:02:54,634 Speaker 2: me at least, I mean now, I'm back to painting, 51 00:02:54,714 --> 00:02:57,953 Speaker 2: actually recently, because I painted for such a long time 52 00:02:57,994 --> 00:03:01,994 Speaker 2: and I think I was feeling a little bit isolated 53 00:03:01,994 --> 00:03:05,594 Speaker 2: in my painting. I couldn't I was not communicating. I 54 00:03:05,594 --> 00:03:08,194 Speaker 2: didn't have any because I learned in the academic way 55 00:03:08,754 --> 00:03:11,994 Speaker 2: where are you paint following, like, you know, you look 56 00:03:12,034 --> 00:03:14,714 Speaker 2: at a naked person. I was studying this and then 57 00:03:14,754 --> 00:03:16,434 Speaker 2: how do you do it on your canvas, et cetera. 58 00:03:17,034 --> 00:03:20,154 Speaker 2: But felt like for my own painting, I was really 59 00:03:20,234 --> 00:03:23,514 Speaker 2: me alone with my thoughts and the canvas. 60 00:03:23,794 --> 00:03:25,874 Speaker 3: And I think in Vienna, I'm a team player. 61 00:03:25,954 --> 00:03:28,274 Speaker 2: I think I like to have somebody I'm interacting with 62 00:03:28,434 --> 00:03:30,474 Speaker 2: and doing makeup on that person. I always say, like, 63 00:03:30,474 --> 00:03:32,714 Speaker 2: the people I do make up on are not blank canvases. 64 00:03:32,754 --> 00:03:37,434 Speaker 2: They are amuse So that's why I think I got 65 00:03:37,514 --> 00:03:39,234 Speaker 2: drawn to that, and. 66 00:03:39,234 --> 00:03:42,194 Speaker 1: It's not a blank canvas either. It's like there's so 67 00:03:42,314 --> 00:03:45,554 Speaker 1: much dimension to a face compared to a canvas, which 68 00:03:45,594 --> 00:03:48,594 Speaker 1: is very cool. Yeah, so you taught yourself and then 69 00:03:48,594 --> 00:03:52,114 Speaker 1: how did you end up working for these huge brands 70 00:03:52,154 --> 00:03:54,514 Speaker 1: and then thinking I'm going to start my own brand. 71 00:03:54,714 --> 00:03:57,514 Speaker 2: So I actually decided to do my own brand, as 72 00:03:57,554 --> 00:03:59,354 Speaker 2: I decided, like it was a decision in my head 73 00:04:01,114 --> 00:04:04,834 Speaker 2: right from the beginning, because when I started to do makeup, 74 00:04:05,394 --> 00:04:10,234 Speaker 2: it started with, Okay, I need to get some books 75 00:04:10,474 --> 00:04:13,194 Speaker 2: at least to know when do you put where and what, 76 00:04:13,674 --> 00:04:15,834 Speaker 2: because I really had no idea. The only thing I 77 00:04:15,914 --> 00:04:17,794 Speaker 2: knew was to put be a conciller and real lipstick. 78 00:04:18,714 --> 00:04:21,753 Speaker 2: And so I bought Givin u Quan's book. And I'm 79 00:04:21,914 --> 00:04:26,393 Speaker 2: still so grateful for him because he was the first 80 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:30,633 Speaker 2: makeup artist who really cared to share his art with others. 81 00:04:31,234 --> 00:04:33,753 Speaker 2: So in a way, he's my teacher. So I went 82 00:04:33,753 --> 00:04:37,913 Speaker 2: to the library and borrowed his book and then tried 83 00:04:37,953 --> 00:04:40,753 Speaker 2: to really completely digest it. Then I was like, okay, 84 00:04:40,753 --> 00:04:42,073 Speaker 2: I need to make up, and then I went to 85 00:04:42,113 --> 00:04:45,674 Speaker 2: the store. I couldn't afford any of it. It's so expensive, 86 00:04:46,354 --> 00:04:48,633 Speaker 2: so I realized that mac was doing raw materials at 87 00:04:48,633 --> 00:04:50,833 Speaker 2: the time they were selling for artists, so I bought 88 00:04:51,113 --> 00:04:54,193 Speaker 2: raw materials, which is so funny high Life works because 89 00:04:54,834 --> 00:04:57,193 Speaker 2: the training I had of painting in front of one 90 00:04:57,234 --> 00:05:00,394 Speaker 2: of them, because I had several was to create my 91 00:05:00,433 --> 00:05:05,993 Speaker 2: own paint from pigment, so I knew to create textures 92 00:05:06,034 --> 00:05:09,354 Speaker 2: with that. So I use the same training with makeup. 93 00:05:09,393 --> 00:05:11,674 Speaker 2: So I bought ro material which is way less expensive, 94 00:05:11,794 --> 00:05:15,113 Speaker 2: and then I can really create anything from there. So 95 00:05:15,553 --> 00:05:19,273 Speaker 2: once I was with that in my hand and finally 96 00:05:19,474 --> 00:05:22,914 Speaker 2: somebody gave me my chance to do makeup on someone, 97 00:05:23,393 --> 00:05:27,874 Speaker 2: I realized I was creating formulas, textures and colors are 98 00:05:27,953 --> 00:05:30,034 Speaker 2: really unique and that I couldn't see on the market, 99 00:05:30,113 --> 00:05:32,594 Speaker 2: especially at the time. You were so classic, I guess 100 00:05:32,594 --> 00:05:35,953 Speaker 2: in a way. So I then I decided it was 101 00:05:35,953 --> 00:05:37,633 Speaker 2: like I need to do my brain one day to 102 00:05:37,674 --> 00:05:42,113 Speaker 2: create something a little bit more artistic in the way. 103 00:05:42,873 --> 00:05:46,354 Speaker 1: And a great example is what's on your lips today? 104 00:05:46,794 --> 00:05:50,433 Speaker 1: So if you're listening and not watching, you need to 105 00:05:50,433 --> 00:05:53,313 Speaker 1: go and watch on YouTube because it is it's not 106 00:05:53,674 --> 00:05:56,274 Speaker 1: you know, it's not a red. It's like a burgundy, 107 00:05:57,433 --> 00:06:01,953 Speaker 1: deep delicious charaz red, and it is just glorious and 108 00:06:01,993 --> 00:06:05,113 Speaker 1: it is potentially the most interesting color I've ever like. 109 00:06:05,154 --> 00:06:07,914 Speaker 1: It's just so different. I love it, thank you, but 110 00:06:07,953 --> 00:06:08,834 Speaker 1: it's still classic. 111 00:06:09,193 --> 00:06:11,354 Speaker 2: I think in France we have one role is to 112 00:06:11,393 --> 00:06:15,553 Speaker 2: be chic. It's kind of our thing. So even if 113 00:06:15,594 --> 00:06:17,993 Speaker 2: you do something really creative, or even if you're wearing like, 114 00:06:19,354 --> 00:06:23,273 Speaker 2: you know, really really relaxed outfit, what can you do 115 00:06:23,354 --> 00:06:25,594 Speaker 2: to elevate it a little bit in a very fondest way, 116 00:06:25,714 --> 00:06:28,874 Speaker 2: a way that's really hidden to the eye so it 117 00:06:28,953 --> 00:06:32,474 Speaker 2: looks chic, you know. So when I do colors, I 118 00:06:32,474 --> 00:06:35,193 Speaker 2: always think, how can I make this color, even if 119 00:06:35,234 --> 00:06:37,673 Speaker 2: it's like this super fleshy blue I have in the brand, 120 00:06:37,914 --> 00:06:40,194 Speaker 2: how can I make ITAs chic? I have my own 121 00:06:40,234 --> 00:06:42,873 Speaker 2: recipe for pigments, and so this color you see now, 122 00:06:43,553 --> 00:06:47,274 Speaker 2: it's from the lipstick line called Petar Bush, so it's 123 00:06:47,313 --> 00:06:50,033 Speaker 2: like very pigmented. It's what I called Kucho makeup is 124 00:06:50,073 --> 00:06:54,034 Speaker 2: like really strong. And I only make red in this line, 125 00:06:54,073 --> 00:06:56,794 Speaker 2: like only red colors, so a bit of the pink world. 126 00:06:56,794 --> 00:06:59,593 Speaker 2: This one is Burgundy. It was really inspired by, like 127 00:06:59,633 --> 00:07:02,113 Speaker 2: you said. And then the other one is called Amofu, 128 00:07:02,154 --> 00:07:06,354 Speaker 2: which means crazy love and it's like the true like, yeah, 129 00:07:06,794 --> 00:07:09,794 Speaker 2: quite able, all read and this one took me fifty. 130 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:12,274 Speaker 1: Six round to get it round. 131 00:07:12,314 --> 00:07:13,994 Speaker 2: This one color, I mean, I kind of felt all 132 00:07:13,994 --> 00:07:15,154 Speaker 2: my color is kind of like this. 133 00:07:15,634 --> 00:07:20,514 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow crazy. I love that. Though French beauty is 134 00:07:20,594 --> 00:07:24,314 Speaker 1: often described as very effortless, very chic, I would fail 135 00:07:24,354 --> 00:07:27,793 Speaker 1: miserably over there at just life because there's nothing efforless 136 00:07:27,834 --> 00:07:32,634 Speaker 1: about me. But what does effortless beauty mean to you personally? 137 00:07:32,754 --> 00:07:34,713 Speaker 1: Because obviously it means something different to everyone. 138 00:07:34,914 --> 00:07:36,273 Speaker 2: Well, before I moved to the US, I had no 139 00:07:36,314 --> 00:07:37,754 Speaker 2: idea what they meant. I was like, what do you mean? 140 00:07:37,794 --> 00:07:40,874 Speaker 2: Because we are so picky that I thought. I thought 141 00:07:40,914 --> 00:07:43,674 Speaker 2: this means kind of easy going and not picky. I 142 00:07:43,674 --> 00:07:44,514 Speaker 2: was like, this is not us. 143 00:07:44,953 --> 00:07:45,953 Speaker 1: Feel like that's incorrect. 144 00:07:46,034 --> 00:07:47,354 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally not true. 145 00:07:47,714 --> 00:07:51,994 Speaker 2: But then I understood what people meant, and then I realized, 146 00:07:52,834 --> 00:07:55,474 Speaker 2: I think in France the number one goal in life 147 00:07:55,514 --> 00:07:58,033 Speaker 2: is to be happy, and in order to be happy, 148 00:07:58,393 --> 00:08:00,794 Speaker 2: you need to accept who you are. In order to 149 00:08:00,834 --> 00:08:03,393 Speaker 2: accept who you are and to not change it, but 150 00:08:03,474 --> 00:08:06,834 Speaker 2: more play with it and really be irreverence about it. 151 00:08:06,914 --> 00:08:07,634 Speaker 3: This is why I am. 152 00:08:07,634 --> 00:08:10,994 Speaker 2: If you didn't like it, move on, and so when 153 00:08:10,994 --> 00:08:13,074 Speaker 2: I try to explain to people, if you look, you 154 00:08:13,114 --> 00:08:16,393 Speaker 2: need to understand French philosophy in order to understand French aesthetic. 155 00:08:16,434 --> 00:08:17,833 Speaker 2: And if you look in the street of Paris, you 156 00:08:18,034 --> 00:08:21,194 Speaker 2: won't see Parisian walking with a drink to go. We 157 00:08:21,274 --> 00:08:24,674 Speaker 2: got on a sit down and have that drink. So 158 00:08:24,674 --> 00:08:28,354 Speaker 2: it's a very different energy. But then we're not going 159 00:08:28,393 --> 00:08:31,114 Speaker 2: to spend a ton of time in the bathroom trying 160 00:08:31,154 --> 00:08:34,634 Speaker 2: to play with our features to change them. Nothing's wrong 161 00:08:34,674 --> 00:08:38,353 Speaker 2: with that. It's just not feeding the culture, I guess. 162 00:08:38,794 --> 00:08:43,154 Speaker 2: And so that made me realize we are actually effortless 163 00:08:43,154 --> 00:08:46,154 Speaker 2: in our technique. And if you are effortless, then you 164 00:08:46,314 --> 00:08:48,834 Speaker 2: look effortless. But if you want to look efort less, 165 00:08:48,874 --> 00:08:50,233 Speaker 2: we are not effortless. 166 00:08:50,594 --> 00:08:51,274 Speaker 3: Is not going to work. 167 00:08:51,314 --> 00:08:53,114 Speaker 2: So you actually have to be a bit in a hurry, 168 00:08:53,554 --> 00:08:57,314 Speaker 2: a bit messy, use your fingers. Don't have too many tools, 169 00:08:57,394 --> 00:08:59,114 Speaker 2: too many products, too many steps. 170 00:08:59,314 --> 00:09:02,594 Speaker 1: You know a lot of Australians will spend so long 171 00:09:02,954 --> 00:09:04,714 Speaker 1: doing our face in the morning in the bathroom that 172 00:09:04,754 --> 00:09:06,394 Speaker 1: then we have to have our coffee on the run, 173 00:09:07,154 --> 00:09:11,314 Speaker 1: still sitting down and actually enjoying it because we're running 174 00:09:11,354 --> 00:09:13,634 Speaker 1: light to everything, because we spend an hour doing our makeup. 175 00:09:14,714 --> 00:09:15,874 Speaker 3: Yeah, so do the rivers. 176 00:09:15,954 --> 00:09:18,594 Speaker 2: Try to rush do your makeup and sit down to 177 00:09:18,674 --> 00:09:22,154 Speaker 2: drink your coffee and tell me how I impact you look. 178 00:09:22,394 --> 00:09:25,194 Speaker 1: And are you just like, are you sitting with someone 179 00:09:25,234 --> 00:09:27,514 Speaker 1: or are you sitting with your own thoughts having the coffee. 180 00:09:27,634 --> 00:09:29,994 Speaker 3: So you'll see when you go to Paris, take a look. 181 00:09:29,994 --> 00:09:32,114 Speaker 2: You'll see a lot of people are reading books which 182 00:09:32,114 --> 00:09:33,434 Speaker 2: are in the veh Because since I have kids, I 183 00:09:33,434 --> 00:09:34,953 Speaker 2: haven't readen a book so long. 184 00:09:35,034 --> 00:09:36,354 Speaker 3: I'm like really craving for one. 185 00:09:36,794 --> 00:09:38,954 Speaker 2: But yeah, you can be just with your own thoughts 186 00:09:39,034 --> 00:09:42,194 Speaker 2: or reading a book or a lot of my friends 187 00:09:42,434 --> 00:09:46,594 Speaker 2: they write and they take a notebook and they just write. 188 00:09:46,714 --> 00:09:49,034 Speaker 1: That is very cool when you see someone doing that. 189 00:09:49,354 --> 00:09:51,474 Speaker 2: I feel very lucky because most of my friends are 190 00:09:51,594 --> 00:09:55,594 Speaker 2: creative artists and that they're not trying to be cool whatever. 191 00:09:55,674 --> 00:09:57,474 Speaker 2: It's like really like just oh, yeah, I took my 192 00:09:57,834 --> 00:09:59,474 Speaker 2: like I wrap to meet them, and I see them 193 00:09:59,514 --> 00:10:01,954 Speaker 2: closing their notebook and putting their pen away in it. 194 00:10:02,114 --> 00:10:06,234 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're probably writing something quite profound, whereas yeah, 195 00:10:06,274 --> 00:10:09,994 Speaker 1: I would be writing to do lists or a shopping list, 196 00:10:10,954 --> 00:10:13,274 Speaker 1: and yeah, I definitely wouldn't be reading because I too 197 00:10:13,394 --> 00:10:16,554 Speaker 1: have a small child at time, So I four, what 198 00:10:16,634 --> 00:10:17,434 Speaker 1: about yours? 199 00:10:17,634 --> 00:10:18,354 Speaker 3: Three and seven? 200 00:10:18,474 --> 00:10:21,594 Speaker 1: Three and seven? Oh that's great ages though, what lovely 201 00:10:21,674 --> 00:10:22,194 Speaker 1: age gaps? 202 00:10:22,634 --> 00:10:23,514 Speaker 3: Yes, it's perfect. 203 00:10:25,954 --> 00:10:30,234 Speaker 1: Your makeup textures and colors are so distinctive. So what 204 00:10:30,314 --> 00:10:34,194 Speaker 1: does your product development look like? You know you've talked 205 00:10:34,194 --> 00:10:36,514 Speaker 1: about that. You started off by going and buying all 206 00:10:36,514 --> 00:10:39,194 Speaker 1: of the raw materials, and I'm sure that that's not 207 00:10:39,234 --> 00:10:43,234 Speaker 1: how you're making the products anymore, because sometimes. 208 00:10:42,714 --> 00:10:46,554 Speaker 2: Still I actually do it to finetion my collar because 209 00:10:46,554 --> 00:10:48,994 Speaker 2: I don't use benches. So for people who don't know 210 00:10:49,594 --> 00:10:52,194 Speaker 2: most of the brands, they will go to the lab 211 00:10:52,314 --> 00:10:55,194 Speaker 2: with another brands product and say this is what I want, 212 00:10:55,674 --> 00:10:59,074 Speaker 2: and then because you can never never really replicate it, 213 00:10:59,074 --> 00:11:02,194 Speaker 2: it'll be close enough but a bit different, you'll see. 214 00:11:02,234 --> 00:11:04,874 Speaker 2: Because I don't do that, commun's always request that from you. 215 00:11:04,914 --> 00:11:08,234 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't. Yeah, but I will 216 00:11:08,314 --> 00:11:09,994 Speaker 2: try to help them because it's hard for them to 217 00:11:10,034 --> 00:11:11,514 Speaker 2: read the color. If it's just like you come with 218 00:11:11,554 --> 00:11:13,594 Speaker 2: a fabric, it's very difficult, which I used to do 219 00:11:14,034 --> 00:11:15,833 Speaker 2: when I was working with latter. I used to come 220 00:11:15,834 --> 00:11:17,354 Speaker 2: with fabrics to the lab and then we're like, oh, 221 00:11:17,354 --> 00:11:20,314 Speaker 2: my gosh, I want to replicate the depth of that fabric, 222 00:11:20,754 --> 00:11:22,994 Speaker 2: and so I'll work with them. I still do it, 223 00:11:23,594 --> 00:11:26,154 Speaker 2: but I tried now to do my own mixing of 224 00:11:26,194 --> 00:11:28,594 Speaker 2: pigments at home, so at least I give them something 225 00:11:28,674 --> 00:11:31,754 Speaker 2: that closer to the formula they're going to play with, 226 00:11:32,154 --> 00:11:35,274 Speaker 2: because as soon as you wet pigment, for example, the 227 00:11:35,314 --> 00:11:40,074 Speaker 2: color changes, so it's really tricky. 228 00:11:44,994 --> 00:11:47,794 Speaker 1: We read once that you used cacau powder to create 229 00:11:47,834 --> 00:11:52,034 Speaker 1: a look. So does your formulation and like coming up 230 00:11:52,034 --> 00:11:54,714 Speaker 1: with ideas, does it all sort of start by playing 231 00:11:54,834 --> 00:11:55,074 Speaker 1: for you? 232 00:11:55,434 --> 00:11:58,834 Speaker 2: Yes, I had now plus twenty years as a makeup 233 00:11:58,874 --> 00:12:02,674 Speaker 2: artists for editournals, and my thing was really I was 234 00:12:02,714 --> 00:12:04,714 Speaker 2: invited by magazine and I can do the odd direction 235 00:12:04,754 --> 00:12:08,674 Speaker 2: of the shoot, and I was a bit free of 236 00:12:08,794 --> 00:12:12,074 Speaker 2: really expressing with pigment and colors a really white like 237 00:12:12,194 --> 00:12:15,314 Speaker 2: magazine will come get me. And so I've experienced with 238 00:12:15,394 --> 00:12:20,034 Speaker 2: so many different form of textures and things in a 239 00:12:20,034 --> 00:12:22,794 Speaker 2: way like I can't even think about, like so many 240 00:12:22,794 --> 00:12:26,234 Speaker 2: different things like paper or like I tattooed lips, like 241 00:12:26,314 --> 00:12:29,194 Speaker 2: I did so many different things. So that kind of 242 00:12:29,234 --> 00:12:32,434 Speaker 2: gave me inspiration for products later on to like, oh, 243 00:12:32,434 --> 00:12:35,434 Speaker 2: when I use this like bit rude powder, that this 244 00:12:35,674 --> 00:12:36,754 Speaker 2: color was so special. 245 00:12:36,794 --> 00:12:38,874 Speaker 3: When I make this lipstick, it. 246 00:12:38,794 --> 00:12:41,674 Speaker 1: Reminds me of I used to do like little experiments 247 00:12:41,674 --> 00:12:46,394 Speaker 1: when I was little. I'd get vacillained and I'd mix 248 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:49,154 Speaker 1: it with like a crushed old eye shadow color of 249 00:12:49,194 --> 00:12:51,874 Speaker 1: my mom's, and then I'd put it like so it 250 00:12:51,914 --> 00:12:52,594 Speaker 1: was a wet. 251 00:12:52,354 --> 00:12:54,834 Speaker 3: Look eye showed exactly. 252 00:12:55,114 --> 00:12:58,074 Speaker 1: I was so young though, Like, but I'm very grateful 253 00:12:58,114 --> 00:12:59,794 Speaker 1: that my mom did. You know how some people that 254 00:12:59,954 --> 00:13:01,634 Speaker 1: might not be allowed to play with makeup, but Mum 255 00:13:01,674 --> 00:13:04,114 Speaker 1: was always like, you do you if that's how you 256 00:13:04,154 --> 00:13:06,874 Speaker 1: want to go out. It's a choice. You're a tend 257 00:13:06,874 --> 00:13:11,834 Speaker 1: with slick I shadow on, but you can do you. 258 00:13:11,914 --> 00:13:13,554 Speaker 3: But it's nice. 259 00:13:13,314 --> 00:13:16,794 Speaker 1: When you've got a real passion for something and it 260 00:13:16,834 --> 00:13:19,834 Speaker 1: just begins with play. A lot of people you forget 261 00:13:19,914 --> 00:13:20,754 Speaker 1: the art of play. 262 00:13:21,194 --> 00:13:21,354 Speaker 3: Well. 263 00:13:21,394 --> 00:13:23,833 Speaker 2: I feel very blessed that I'm able to do a 264 00:13:23,914 --> 00:13:27,794 Speaker 2: job where most of it is about being inspired and 265 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:32,154 Speaker 2: put my emotion into what I do and not disconnect 266 00:13:32,194 --> 00:13:35,114 Speaker 2: from the human part of me and really have fun 267 00:13:35,154 --> 00:13:38,914 Speaker 2: and I'm inspired. Like one of my products, Lune Liner, 268 00:13:39,034 --> 00:13:41,914 Speaker 2: is this holographica liner inspired by the dreams I had 269 00:13:41,954 --> 00:13:45,034 Speaker 2: when I was pregnant with my second daughter, so it's 270 00:13:45,034 --> 00:13:46,594 Speaker 2: just so nice to be able to do that kind 271 00:13:46,594 --> 00:13:47,034 Speaker 2: of job. 272 00:13:47,554 --> 00:13:50,154 Speaker 1: Yeah, and do they love doing your makeup and playing 273 00:13:50,274 --> 00:13:50,514 Speaker 1: with this? 274 00:13:50,634 --> 00:13:54,914 Speaker 2: So the little one, Luna, is obsessed with makeup. So 275 00:13:54,954 --> 00:13:56,634 Speaker 2: when I get ready, she wants to look at me 276 00:13:56,874 --> 00:13:59,394 Speaker 2: and wants to her little station next to me so 277 00:13:59,434 --> 00:14:00,274 Speaker 2: she can replicate. 278 00:14:00,794 --> 00:14:02,914 Speaker 3: And it's really that's so cute. 279 00:14:03,194 --> 00:14:05,874 Speaker 2: It's really really See. Then she always asks me, my mom, 280 00:14:05,914 --> 00:14:06,874 Speaker 2: can I put this here? 281 00:14:07,194 --> 00:14:09,754 Speaker 3: Here? And I'm like here and she's like, oh, okay, 282 00:14:09,954 --> 00:14:10,474 Speaker 3: she does it. 283 00:14:10,594 --> 00:14:13,194 Speaker 1: Really, she's going to be an expert by the time 284 00:14:13,234 --> 00:14:17,794 Speaker 1: she's shy. The beauty world does move very fast, but 285 00:14:17,834 --> 00:14:21,154 Speaker 1: your brand feels just so timeless, So how do you 286 00:14:21,234 --> 00:14:24,354 Speaker 1: decide which trends to embrace and what to ignore? 287 00:14:24,634 --> 00:14:28,274 Speaker 2: So my rule is to ignore every trend because trends 288 00:14:28,274 --> 00:14:31,954 Speaker 2: are here to serve a media purpose of buds and 289 00:14:32,754 --> 00:14:37,834 Speaker 2: you know, performance basically content and for me, my focusing 290 00:14:37,994 --> 00:14:40,194 Speaker 2: how do I make a human feel good about themselves? 291 00:14:40,274 --> 00:14:43,314 Speaker 2: So I think trends could be great if you use 292 00:14:43,354 --> 00:14:45,514 Speaker 2: them as a source of inspiration, like, oh, there's this 293 00:14:45,554 --> 00:14:47,794 Speaker 2: trend about ping blage and I'm super into Like when 294 00:14:47,794 --> 00:14:50,634 Speaker 2: don't I try it. This I love, but then I 295 00:14:50,634 --> 00:14:53,834 Speaker 2: will call it like an inspiration in the moments. That's 296 00:14:53,914 --> 00:14:57,394 Speaker 2: how I look at it. Also because my proud development 297 00:14:57,634 --> 00:15:01,874 Speaker 2: timeline is so long. It's from three to six years. Yeah, 298 00:15:01,714 --> 00:15:04,514 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, because I create formula from scratch. So 299 00:15:04,634 --> 00:15:07,354 Speaker 2: most of the brands that will go to labs, their 300 00:15:07,434 --> 00:15:11,834 Speaker 2: job labs is really to create innovation and lots of formula. 301 00:15:12,234 --> 00:15:13,914 Speaker 2: So when you come to them, you're like, okay, we 302 00:15:13,914 --> 00:15:15,954 Speaker 2: want to do powder. They have tons of different powers 303 00:15:15,994 --> 00:15:18,114 Speaker 2: to show you that you're just going to streamline the 304 00:15:18,154 --> 00:15:21,754 Speaker 2: process really well. And also burns are expecting the labs 305 00:15:21,794 --> 00:15:25,754 Speaker 2: to be the expert and to present formulas to you 306 00:15:25,794 --> 00:15:28,714 Speaker 2: that are really the top of innovation, which I respect 307 00:15:28,714 --> 00:15:32,114 Speaker 2: that because we need labs to be leaders here in 308 00:15:32,154 --> 00:15:34,914 Speaker 2: the field. But my approach is a bit different where 309 00:15:35,354 --> 00:15:37,114 Speaker 2: I want to focus on what doesn't exist, So I 310 00:15:37,154 --> 00:15:40,114 Speaker 2: go in a way faster than labs because I'm not 311 00:15:40,834 --> 00:15:43,274 Speaker 2: starting with formulas. I'm starting with what's in my head, 312 00:15:43,474 --> 00:15:45,594 Speaker 2: so that gives me a bit more freedom to play 313 00:15:45,594 --> 00:15:48,194 Speaker 2: in my head. And then once I have the idea clear, 314 00:15:48,794 --> 00:15:52,034 Speaker 2: I'm going to go challenge a few different labs and 315 00:15:52,194 --> 00:15:55,314 Speaker 2: see who can do my ideas the closest to what 316 00:15:55,354 --> 00:15:57,834 Speaker 2: I want. So they have to really work from scratch. 317 00:15:57,874 --> 00:16:01,874 Speaker 2: For example, in one month, we're launching a product eye product. 318 00:16:02,034 --> 00:16:05,554 Speaker 2: The process has never been done before, and I've done yeah, 319 00:16:05,794 --> 00:16:07,714 Speaker 2: twenty years of development. So I was like, what do 320 00:16:07,754 --> 00:16:10,354 Speaker 2: you mean it doesn't exist? I was really shocked, And yes, 321 00:16:10,394 --> 00:16:13,914 Speaker 2: it didn't be really hard to work from scratch. The 322 00:16:13,994 --> 00:16:18,714 Speaker 2: idea behind it is that A it's more sustainable because 323 00:16:18,754 --> 00:16:22,074 Speaker 2: instead of saturing the market with things that already exist, 324 00:16:22,794 --> 00:16:26,074 Speaker 2: I'm really trying to make my own product that doesn't exist. 325 00:16:26,434 --> 00:16:31,034 Speaker 2: And B I think it helps consumers to shop with 326 00:16:31,074 --> 00:16:34,954 Speaker 2: me because at least there is an intention the necessity 327 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:37,634 Speaker 2: of that product they will have or not, but at 328 00:16:37,714 --> 00:16:41,754 Speaker 2: least he has a purpose that's not redundant with everybody else. 329 00:16:41,794 --> 00:16:44,354 Speaker 2: Like there's just so many foundations. How do you pick 330 00:16:45,034 --> 00:16:46,554 Speaker 2: and you want the best? Like, how do you choose 331 00:16:46,594 --> 00:16:49,794 Speaker 2: even that? So I'm really happy to use foundations of 332 00:16:49,874 --> 00:16:53,634 Speaker 2: other brands and you know, show them and share them 333 00:16:53,634 --> 00:16:55,954 Speaker 2: to the world. But for me, I'm going to focus 334 00:16:55,994 --> 00:16:57,954 Speaker 2: on like these little niche products. 335 00:16:58,474 --> 00:16:59,674 Speaker 1: You must be very patient. 336 00:17:00,274 --> 00:17:01,754 Speaker 3: I am, but I'm not. I'm an aires. 337 00:17:01,914 --> 00:17:04,513 Speaker 2: So everything has to be quick, but at the same 338 00:17:04,594 --> 00:17:07,073 Speaker 2: time it has to be perfect. So I'm very patient 339 00:17:07,154 --> 00:17:09,594 Speaker 2: on this, so we don't put the products in the 340 00:17:09,634 --> 00:17:14,034 Speaker 2: calendar for launch until it's perfect. So where I feel like, okay, 341 00:17:14,034 --> 00:17:16,154 Speaker 2: I have the formula, now I just need to nail 342 00:17:16,234 --> 00:17:18,954 Speaker 2: the colors. Then it can go into the calendars to 343 00:17:19,034 --> 00:17:21,034 Speaker 2: keep us. But we will move around if it's not finished. 344 00:17:21,794 --> 00:17:24,634 Speaker 1: That's good rather than releasing something that you're not one 345 00:17:24,714 --> 00:17:25,794 Speaker 1: hundred percent happy with. 346 00:17:26,234 --> 00:17:28,234 Speaker 2: I have that and it drives me nuts. With very 347 00:17:28,274 --> 00:17:31,154 Speaker 2: big brands where we develop one product I remember and 348 00:17:31,994 --> 00:17:34,994 Speaker 2: a mascara and it was not perfect and was like, guys, 349 00:17:35,034 --> 00:17:38,394 Speaker 2: we can't we luxury burn, we cannot launch it like 350 00:17:38,474 --> 00:17:41,154 Speaker 2: it's a good messcara, but it should be an amazing one. 351 00:17:41,794 --> 00:17:44,074 Speaker 2: Like we don't have time, we can't, we have no 352 00:17:44,194 --> 00:17:44,994 Speaker 2: choice everything. 353 00:17:44,994 --> 00:17:45,474 Speaker 3: And I get it. 354 00:17:45,514 --> 00:17:47,914 Speaker 2: When you're so big, you have all the merchandises, you 355 00:17:48,354 --> 00:17:52,314 Speaker 2: have so many things around that depend on this launch 356 00:17:52,394 --> 00:17:55,194 Speaker 2: that if you're moveing around, it's very complicated. But because 357 00:17:55,194 --> 00:17:58,674 Speaker 2: I think I built my company and my business model 358 00:17:58,794 --> 00:18:02,754 Speaker 2: on this, everything is as adapted to it in a way. 359 00:18:02,874 --> 00:18:06,434 Speaker 1: And of course I also will understand then why they 360 00:18:06,754 --> 00:18:10,394 Speaker 1: have to release it, but you potentially then also losing 361 00:18:11,754 --> 00:18:14,273 Speaker 1: so many customers that are kind of like, oh, I 362 00:18:14,314 --> 00:18:16,914 Speaker 1: always trusted you, but now you've sort of released something 363 00:18:16,914 --> 00:18:19,033 Speaker 1: that I spent so much of my money on that 364 00:18:19,194 --> 00:18:22,554 Speaker 1: wasn't that good, so you potentially, like the long term 365 00:18:22,554 --> 00:18:25,273 Speaker 1: repercussions could be quite bad as well for that. 366 00:18:25,554 --> 00:18:28,434 Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, that's where I'm like extremely in 367 00:18:28,434 --> 00:18:31,874 Speaker 2: my pickiness when they launch something because they have their 368 00:18:31,874 --> 00:18:34,674 Speaker 2: best chemist working with them. It's good, it's still good, 369 00:18:34,754 --> 00:18:37,194 Speaker 2: it's still good. It's just that I know it could 370 00:18:37,234 --> 00:18:39,714 Speaker 2: be better. That's where I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm 371 00:18:39,794 --> 00:18:44,474 Speaker 2: such an extreme perfectionist. If I'm hired to push your 372 00:18:44,594 --> 00:18:46,273 Speaker 2: pro developments, I'm going to. 373 00:18:46,314 --> 00:18:46,954 Speaker 3: Do my job. 374 00:18:47,234 --> 00:18:49,674 Speaker 2: I'm really really going to push you into like I 375 00:18:49,794 --> 00:18:52,793 Speaker 2: know it's the best, but it's just that you know 376 00:18:52,834 --> 00:18:54,474 Speaker 2: you don't have the same freedom. 377 00:18:54,674 --> 00:18:57,874 Speaker 1: Ossie Girl glam is having a moment on TikTok. 378 00:18:58,394 --> 00:19:00,834 Speaker 3: Really yeah, I want to know what's the look. 379 00:19:00,874 --> 00:19:05,114 Speaker 1: Bronzed natural, no makeup makeup, like quite maybe like a 380 00:19:05,114 --> 00:19:08,994 Speaker 1: lot of blush, minimal I'm makeup I like that and 381 00:19:09,274 --> 00:19:13,354 Speaker 1: very minimal. So it's like the no makeup makeup that's 382 00:19:13,394 --> 00:19:15,994 Speaker 1: actually so much effort, but men alike, you know that 383 00:19:15,994 --> 00:19:17,474 Speaker 1: that old troite where men are like, I love it 384 00:19:17,514 --> 00:19:19,154 Speaker 1: when girls don't wear makeup and it's like. 385 00:19:19,274 --> 00:19:21,074 Speaker 3: You know, we're it together to me an hour and. 386 00:19:21,074 --> 00:19:24,954 Speaker 1: I have thirty different products on my face. Actually, Barta, thanks, 387 00:19:25,674 --> 00:19:27,793 Speaker 1: What would you say is the biggest difference in the 388 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:31,274 Speaker 1: way that Ossie women do their makeup? If we're going 389 00:19:31,274 --> 00:19:33,714 Speaker 1: to talk about the stereotype of Ossie girl makeup and 390 00:19:34,034 --> 00:19:36,554 Speaker 1: French women and even New Yorkers where you. 391 00:19:36,554 --> 00:19:39,714 Speaker 2: Live and full honesty, I think I'll be better at 392 00:19:39,754 --> 00:19:43,954 Speaker 2: talking about New Yorkers. I think Australian women I have 393 00:19:44,994 --> 00:19:48,194 Speaker 2: seen so many diverse look like I kind of see 394 00:19:48,234 --> 00:19:54,154 Speaker 2: what you mean by that, like the sun kissed, natural, central, fresh, 395 00:19:54,234 --> 00:19:58,194 Speaker 2: healthy look. But I've seen what I like with us 396 00:19:58,234 --> 00:20:01,754 Speaker 2: young women is like this sense of curiosity to really 397 00:20:01,874 --> 00:20:05,354 Speaker 2: try and be open to things, which I really love 398 00:20:05,394 --> 00:20:07,513 Speaker 2: because the problem with the French, like we know, really open, 399 00:20:08,594 --> 00:20:12,273 Speaker 2: very like picky and strict in our own style, and 400 00:20:12,314 --> 00:20:14,194 Speaker 2: then to get out of it is like a whole thing. 401 00:20:15,154 --> 00:20:18,194 Speaker 2: I feel like New Yorkers, Well, that's the beauty of 402 00:20:18,194 --> 00:20:21,754 Speaker 2: New York is such a diverse town that you have 403 00:20:21,874 --> 00:20:24,954 Speaker 2: so many different styles and like going in the subway, 404 00:20:24,954 --> 00:20:30,834 Speaker 2: for example, it's so interesting to see all the different aesthetic, which. 405 00:20:30,674 --> 00:20:32,874 Speaker 1: I love in both my cup and fashion. 406 00:20:33,314 --> 00:20:34,034 Speaker 3: Yeah, every style. 407 00:20:34,154 --> 00:20:37,033 Speaker 2: Like you can see a grandmother that's like goth and yeah, 408 00:20:37,074 --> 00:20:39,634 Speaker 2: and then the teenager that's super like posh. I just 409 00:20:39,754 --> 00:20:43,714 Speaker 2: love to be surprised by people, and I found inspiration 410 00:20:43,834 --> 00:20:47,754 Speaker 2: in everybody. So it's it's it's really refreshing. There's definitely 411 00:20:47,754 --> 00:20:53,234 Speaker 2: a little bit more a heavier hand for skin. I think, yes, 412 00:20:53,754 --> 00:20:56,914 Speaker 2: a little bit for us the French we like to 413 00:20:57,274 --> 00:21:02,194 Speaker 2: play with like touches of little like correction in a way, 414 00:21:03,034 --> 00:21:11,354 Speaker 2: not so much powders, no contouring, no four slashes, like yeah, simple. 415 00:21:11,514 --> 00:21:13,994 Speaker 1: Just like as sort of as few steps as possible. 416 00:21:13,994 --> 00:21:15,954 Speaker 3: Would you say, yeah, so she was a skin. We're 417 00:21:15,954 --> 00:21:17,154 Speaker 3: gonna focus on skincare. 418 00:21:17,234 --> 00:21:19,553 Speaker 2: Skincare is like really really important for us what we 419 00:21:19,594 --> 00:21:21,874 Speaker 2: eat as well, like how can we we think of 420 00:21:21,994 --> 00:21:26,034 Speaker 2: a very holistic way. And then for meccap it's like, okay, 421 00:21:26,074 --> 00:21:28,033 Speaker 2: if we do smokey eye or a red lip, we 422 00:21:28,114 --> 00:21:29,994 Speaker 2: pick one or the other or like just like kind 423 00:21:30,034 --> 00:21:34,154 Speaker 2: of you go to fresh fresh look. I think one 424 00:21:34,194 --> 00:21:36,634 Speaker 2: thing is that I told you about the chic aspect 425 00:21:36,674 --> 00:21:39,474 Speaker 2: that's important, but I think we like the sensuality more 426 00:21:39,514 --> 00:21:43,474 Speaker 2: than being sexy, being central. I think it's a culture 427 00:21:43,514 --> 00:21:47,674 Speaker 2: that is it's a Latin culture that that you know, like, 428 00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:52,593 Speaker 2: we love love, so I think we like That's why 429 00:21:52,634 --> 00:21:54,994 Speaker 2: buzoobomb became so big in friends. I think because it 430 00:21:55,074 --> 00:21:59,354 Speaker 2: created like just being kissed flush on the lips. You 431 00:21:59,354 --> 00:22:02,234 Speaker 2: know that we present I think our style quite well. 432 00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:10,314 Speaker 1: Other than your own makeup and skincare, What are some 433 00:22:10,434 --> 00:22:14,033 Speaker 1: other beauty products that you will always repurchase, you know, 434 00:22:14,074 --> 00:22:17,033 Speaker 1: whether it's hair, fragrant, skincare, or other makeup brands that 435 00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:17,674 Speaker 1: you really love. 436 00:22:18,394 --> 00:22:22,914 Speaker 2: So skincare, I'm obsessed with this sunscreen from this French brand. 437 00:22:22,914 --> 00:22:26,434 Speaker 2: It's really new. It's called Substance of Light and it's 438 00:22:26,474 --> 00:22:30,514 Speaker 2: just spray that is perfect before makeup because he has 439 00:22:30,594 --> 00:22:35,314 Speaker 2: this little tackiness that you want before makeup and it's 440 00:22:35,434 --> 00:22:37,994 Speaker 2: very glowy. So I think you have oli skin, you 441 00:22:38,154 --> 00:22:41,154 Speaker 2: probably won't like it, but I'm obsessed with it and 442 00:22:41,154 --> 00:22:42,794 Speaker 2: then you can really spray it on your face for 443 00:22:42,954 --> 00:22:47,274 Speaker 2: touchup throughout the day. I love also this other skincare 444 00:22:47,314 --> 00:22:50,114 Speaker 2: brand called ODIDLMI. I guess I don't know, how to 445 00:22:50,114 --> 00:22:52,194 Speaker 2: say it with the English accent, you would say HOLIDEREMI, 446 00:22:52,314 --> 00:22:55,554 Speaker 2: I guess, but it's Odi Delmi And it's really about 447 00:22:55,594 --> 00:22:58,353 Speaker 2: being holistic on how you treat yourself. So you have 448 00:22:58,434 --> 00:23:00,874 Speaker 2: like a legend chocolate that are so delicious, and then 449 00:23:00,914 --> 00:23:03,793 Speaker 2: you have amazing like repair bomb for your face if 450 00:23:03,794 --> 00:23:07,273 Speaker 2: you got into the sun or something like this. So 451 00:23:07,314 --> 00:23:10,034 Speaker 2: I was buying these two brands a lot. And then 452 00:23:10,474 --> 00:23:13,994 Speaker 2: for hair, I try like a bit of Japanese brand 453 00:23:14,034 --> 00:23:18,154 Speaker 2: and even drugstore sometimes when I like for a makeup, 454 00:23:19,274 --> 00:23:21,394 Speaker 2: I kind of have a little bit of a rotation 455 00:23:22,154 --> 00:23:26,194 Speaker 2: consiler I struggle with. But I would say the closest 456 00:23:26,194 --> 00:23:29,954 Speaker 2: to what's right for me is Narse. Oh Noise is 457 00:23:29,954 --> 00:23:35,034 Speaker 2: such a beautiful brand. Found Yes, they're very good with colors. Yeah, 458 00:23:35,154 --> 00:23:38,154 Speaker 2: like if I like I was now, I'm playing a 459 00:23:38,194 --> 00:23:41,234 Speaker 2: lot with Patrick tail blushes to play with the Powders 460 00:23:41,834 --> 00:23:45,194 Speaker 2: make up, Mario the Bronzer is really beautiful. 461 00:23:45,034 --> 00:23:45,874 Speaker 1: The sculpt one. 462 00:23:46,194 --> 00:23:49,554 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Denisa. I love Denisa. 463 00:23:49,754 --> 00:23:52,914 Speaker 1: If you could create one dream product that doesn't yet exist, 464 00:23:52,994 --> 00:23:53,634 Speaker 1: what would it be? 465 00:23:53,874 --> 00:23:56,474 Speaker 2: Well, that's all my life. What I think about is like, yeah, yeah, 466 00:23:56,474 --> 00:23:58,234 Speaker 2: what can I do? And I'm going to do it 467 00:23:58,954 --> 00:24:04,434 Speaker 2: something that really doesn't exist, like it's right now, I'm 468 00:24:04,474 --> 00:24:08,314 Speaker 2: doing everything that I have in mind. Well, no, I 469 00:24:08,914 --> 00:24:12,474 Speaker 2: I want to do a glossy eyes shadow that doesn't migrate. 470 00:24:13,314 --> 00:24:16,354 Speaker 2: I've been trying for the longest time. I must say 471 00:24:16,394 --> 00:24:18,034 Speaker 2: this one is a tough one. 472 00:24:18,194 --> 00:24:21,474 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine. Well, I mean I started trying 473 00:24:21,514 --> 00:24:25,513 Speaker 1: to when I was little. It just stands up in 474 00:24:25,554 --> 00:24:29,353 Speaker 1: the creases, which it does by nature. What about like 475 00:24:29,474 --> 00:24:31,434 Speaker 1: that color lip, but you can put it on in 476 00:24:31,434 --> 00:24:33,114 Speaker 1: the morning and then it doesn't move all day. 477 00:24:33,434 --> 00:24:35,874 Speaker 3: Well I think that's doable, do you? Yeah? 478 00:24:36,034 --> 00:24:38,074 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean this one. I put it 479 00:24:38,074 --> 00:24:41,114 Speaker 2: on this morning at eight three am. 480 00:24:41,834 --> 00:24:43,114 Speaker 1: You haven't touched that up. 481 00:24:43,474 --> 00:24:46,194 Speaker 2: I ad did more on the inside because I ate 482 00:24:46,234 --> 00:24:51,513 Speaker 2: something that was like some chickens. Yeap, it's pretty really, 483 00:24:51,594 --> 00:24:54,154 Speaker 2: so you remove the center of it. So I did 484 00:24:54,194 --> 00:24:55,954 Speaker 2: back in, but it took me. I didn't even look in 485 00:24:55,954 --> 00:24:56,354 Speaker 2: the mirror. 486 00:24:56,514 --> 00:25:02,114 Speaker 1: That's amazing. It looks like you've just done it. It's well, 487 00:25:02,114 --> 00:25:04,194 Speaker 1: what is one product that you wish that you'd created? 488 00:25:04,234 --> 00:25:05,714 Speaker 3: First? Good question? 489 00:25:06,434 --> 00:25:09,833 Speaker 2: I wish I was a one who created the guiana 490 00:25:09,914 --> 00:25:14,674 Speaker 2: for a slipstick called how is it called? I think 491 00:25:14,674 --> 00:25:17,354 Speaker 2: it's cooled with just don't forget about me. And it 492 00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:19,714 Speaker 2: was in this gorgeous packaging because at the time when 493 00:25:19,714 --> 00:25:22,154 Speaker 2: I was a creative director, I was in the archive 494 00:25:22,234 --> 00:25:25,674 Speaker 2: looking at everything, and I was like, imagine being the 495 00:25:25,714 --> 00:25:28,794 Speaker 2: person who created this part of his story. 496 00:25:29,394 --> 00:25:31,714 Speaker 1: Was it actually like a museum where all of the 497 00:25:31,874 --> 00:25:33,273 Speaker 1: archived items. 498 00:25:32,954 --> 00:25:35,513 Speaker 2: Know, that's really in the archives. I mean they do 499 00:25:35,714 --> 00:25:39,434 Speaker 2: have now this little room where you can go and 500 00:25:39,474 --> 00:25:42,154 Speaker 2: for a private visit and they will show you these 501 00:25:42,234 --> 00:25:43,794 Speaker 2: incredible items. 502 00:25:43,634 --> 00:25:45,394 Speaker 3: It's such an incredible. 503 00:25:45,234 --> 00:25:48,874 Speaker 1: Fool that I would be so a museum of beauty products. 504 00:25:48,914 --> 00:25:50,394 Speaker 1: I would be so interested in going to. 505 00:25:50,834 --> 00:25:52,994 Speaker 2: You should let me know if you need an introduction, 506 00:25:53,074 --> 00:25:55,954 Speaker 2: I'll connect you with them. But it's absolutely fabulous. 507 00:25:56,114 --> 00:25:59,994 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be amazing. If you could only keep 508 00:26:00,074 --> 00:26:02,114 Speaker 1: three things from your own line for the rest of 509 00:26:02,154 --> 00:26:03,554 Speaker 1: your life, what would they be? And why? 510 00:26:03,914 --> 00:26:07,994 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know it's yeah. Well number one, 511 00:26:08,034 --> 00:26:11,274 Speaker 2: Boombom milk. That's not even This thing saved my skin. 512 00:26:11,634 --> 00:26:14,554 Speaker 2: I have still contact dematizers. That means like I'm basically 513 00:26:14,594 --> 00:26:19,794 Speaker 2: having a skin reaction to everything, and boomoomelk completely rebalanced 514 00:26:19,834 --> 00:26:22,954 Speaker 2: my skin, restored my barrier and I felt like every kid, 515 00:26:22,994 --> 00:26:27,033 Speaker 2: I aged ten more years and Boom Boom milk has 516 00:26:27,114 --> 00:26:27,474 Speaker 2: kept me. 517 00:26:27,994 --> 00:26:32,273 Speaker 1: You know, did you find that the dermatitis got worse 518 00:26:32,394 --> 00:26:33,834 Speaker 1: after pregnancy as well? 519 00:26:33,994 --> 00:26:37,273 Speaker 2: Not because I had boomom milk. And also my second 520 00:26:37,354 --> 00:26:42,114 Speaker 2: one had very bad eggs and I'm completely able to 521 00:26:42,114 --> 00:26:44,714 Speaker 2: control it with boombom milk. Every day I put it on. 522 00:26:45,194 --> 00:26:47,114 Speaker 2: So we got the STEMP of approval to use it 523 00:26:47,154 --> 00:26:51,314 Speaker 2: on babies on the whole family. So our entire family 524 00:26:51,354 --> 00:26:54,354 Speaker 2: is addicted to it because such a simple gesture, and 525 00:26:54,474 --> 00:26:58,914 Speaker 2: he brought our skin back to its optimal health, which 526 00:26:58,994 --> 00:27:00,714 Speaker 2: was really my goal. And it took so long to 527 00:27:00,754 --> 00:27:03,274 Speaker 2: develop this product, but I don't talk about it enough, 528 00:27:03,314 --> 00:27:05,674 Speaker 2: but this is really a life saving for skin, skin 529 00:27:05,754 --> 00:27:06,514 Speaker 2: saving product. 530 00:27:07,114 --> 00:27:07,954 Speaker 3: This this one for sure. 531 00:27:08,954 --> 00:27:13,954 Speaker 2: Then Bizoobomb, which really like such a special product for me, 532 00:27:14,914 --> 00:27:18,634 Speaker 2: And then uh, I think that's really the two that 533 00:27:18,714 --> 00:27:21,314 Speaker 2: I will keep. I guess what I'm wearing Bush is 534 00:27:21,394 --> 00:27:23,274 Speaker 2: like the first tip stick Iet created for the brand, 535 00:27:23,314 --> 00:27:24,314 Speaker 2: so quite special for me. 536 00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:28,034 Speaker 1: Quite special. Yeah. And finally, if you could pass one 537 00:27:28,114 --> 00:27:31,794 Speaker 1: practical beauty lesson or piece of advice that would positively 538 00:27:31,834 --> 00:27:34,434 Speaker 1: impact how our audience gets ready in the morning, what 539 00:27:34,474 --> 00:27:35,273 Speaker 1: would it be, I. 540 00:27:35,234 --> 00:27:38,354 Speaker 2: Would say, instead of trying, and I know you don't 541 00:27:38,394 --> 00:27:40,554 Speaker 2: have that. You say like when you do makeup, you 542 00:27:40,634 --> 00:27:44,034 Speaker 2: have fun. But a lot of people are doing makeup 543 00:27:44,074 --> 00:27:48,273 Speaker 2: to fix something. And I'm always here to say the 544 00:27:48,314 --> 00:27:49,914 Speaker 2: golf of my brand is for you to become your 545 00:27:49,914 --> 00:27:53,114 Speaker 2: own artists and your own muse. Be inspired by yourself. 546 00:27:53,514 --> 00:27:57,514 Speaker 2: It's not about fixing. You are born perfect and it's 547 00:27:57,554 --> 00:28:01,273 Speaker 2: only society telling you that you are not, which is like, 548 00:28:01,354 --> 00:28:04,394 Speaker 2: who cares. I think when you look at nature, you 549 00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:07,074 Speaker 2: think nature is perfect. Well, you are nature. So really 550 00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:08,834 Speaker 2: keep this in mind. And so when you wake up 551 00:28:08,834 --> 00:28:13,114 Speaker 2: in the morning instead of thinking, oh my gosh, I 552 00:28:13,194 --> 00:28:15,234 Speaker 2: need to remove my dark circles. And I said that 553 00:28:15,274 --> 00:28:17,794 Speaker 2: to myself phone, I need to remove my own goals. 554 00:28:17,794 --> 00:28:20,794 Speaker 2: I need to live my face, et cetera. I need 555 00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:23,634 Speaker 2: to do that like technique because that data it looks 556 00:28:23,634 --> 00:28:27,074 Speaker 2: good on me. You are sending so much negativity to yourself, 557 00:28:27,154 --> 00:28:29,194 Speaker 2: and I think that's also a women thing, like we 558 00:28:29,274 --> 00:28:31,954 Speaker 2: said so many negative things throughout the day to ourselves 559 00:28:32,314 --> 00:28:34,714 Speaker 2: to really waking up in the morning thinking you with 560 00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:37,834 Speaker 2: the artists and the muse, thinking you perfect, and you 561 00:28:37,874 --> 00:28:41,554 Speaker 2: are just going to do make up to be inspired, 562 00:28:41,834 --> 00:28:46,474 Speaker 2: play with yourself and celebrate the version you are right now, 563 00:28:46,714 --> 00:28:50,714 Speaker 2: or to kind of like we send French accompagnie how 564 00:28:50,714 --> 00:28:54,594 Speaker 2: we feel like. Imagine one day, I'm sure it happens 565 00:28:54,634 --> 00:28:55,994 Speaker 2: to you. You wake up in the morning and you 566 00:28:56,034 --> 00:28:59,314 Speaker 2: feel like you didn't sleep, you feel very emotional, You're 567 00:28:59,314 --> 00:29:01,514 Speaker 2: not feeling good. We have this very important work meeting, 568 00:29:01,594 --> 00:29:05,314 Speaker 2: and you cannot look weak and you cannot feel weak. 569 00:29:06,194 --> 00:29:07,994 Speaker 2: Putting for me is going to putting a red lipstick 570 00:29:08,034 --> 00:29:09,234 Speaker 2: on it. I want to feel it right. 571 00:29:09,314 --> 00:29:13,394 Speaker 1: Ninety percent of people well right that wear makeup would say, yeah, 572 00:29:13,434 --> 00:29:14,754 Speaker 1: it's just like an instant. 573 00:29:14,874 --> 00:29:19,074 Speaker 2: Just I've got this exactly. So that's how you should 574 00:29:19,114 --> 00:29:23,154 Speaker 2: use makeup to me. So I'm really hoping if you 575 00:29:23,194 --> 00:29:25,394 Speaker 2: can do this little exercise, say a I'm going to 576 00:29:25,474 --> 00:29:27,674 Speaker 2: watch how negative I am with myself and try to 577 00:29:27,714 --> 00:29:32,034 Speaker 2: control that and be I'm going to use makeup to 578 00:29:32,074 --> 00:29:35,594 Speaker 2: celebrate and to lift or push a mood i'm in. 579 00:29:36,394 --> 00:29:37,994 Speaker 3: Then what a game changer. 580 00:29:38,994 --> 00:29:42,634 Speaker 1: That's such good advice, and it's so true. If I 581 00:29:42,674 --> 00:29:45,274 Speaker 1: hear a friend or someone I know saying something really 582 00:29:45,274 --> 00:29:48,234 Speaker 1: mean about themselves, which by default women just tend to 583 00:29:48,274 --> 00:29:51,474 Speaker 1: a lot. I just am like, that's bullshit. Why are 584 00:29:51,474 --> 00:29:53,794 Speaker 1: you being mean to yourself? Why would you say that 585 00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:54,834 Speaker 1: about a close friend? 586 00:29:55,154 --> 00:29:55,434 Speaker 3: Yeah? 587 00:29:55,514 --> 00:29:57,074 Speaker 1: The answer is always know, So why are you saying 588 00:29:57,074 --> 00:29:57,914 Speaker 1: that about yourself? 589 00:29:58,194 --> 00:29:59,154 Speaker 3: Yeah? 590 00:29:59,314 --> 00:30:02,194 Speaker 2: Exactly what to remember, like we were just little girls 591 00:30:02,234 --> 00:30:04,154 Speaker 2: not so long ago, and so would you say that 592 00:30:04,234 --> 00:30:04,554 Speaker 2: to her? 593 00:30:04,794 --> 00:30:05,274 Speaker 1: Exactly? 594 00:30:05,514 --> 00:30:06,954 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to be a bit more. 595 00:30:06,874 --> 00:30:07,034 Speaker 2: Of a. 596 00:30:08,514 --> 00:30:08,754 Speaker 3: Well. 597 00:30:08,794 --> 00:30:11,714 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you for sharing your time 598 00:30:11,794 --> 00:30:14,034 Speaker 1: and sharing your wisdom with us. We have loved it. 599 00:30:15,034 --> 00:30:17,874 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. I hope that you 600 00:30:18,114 --> 00:30:21,234 Speaker 1: love today's episode and make sure that you head on 601 00:30:21,394 --> 00:30:24,554 Speaker 1: over to YouTube so you can see the incredible lift 602 00:30:24,554 --> 00:30:27,314 Speaker 1: that Violette had on that. I'm about to go straight 603 00:30:27,354 --> 00:30:30,354 Speaker 1: to make our to purchase because it was just so outstanding. 604 00:30:31,034 --> 00:30:44,634 Speaker 1: Have a great week and we'll be back next Tuesday. Bye. Mama. 605 00:30:44,674 --> 00:30:47,314 Speaker 1: Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We have 606 00:30:47,394 --> 00:30:50,234 Speaker 1: recorded this podcast on the Gadigal people of the e 607 00:30:50,474 --> 00:30:53,274 Speaker 1: Or nation. 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