1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: news podcast, The Quickie. You might have heard this week 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: that US President Donald Trump has started a trade war 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: with China, Canada, and Mexico. You might have also heard 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: about DEI initiatives being scrapped, foreign aid being shut down, 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: and immigrants being mass deported. Safe to say, a lot 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: has happened in the first two weeks of the Trump 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: administration two point zero, So today we'll catch up with 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: our US correspondent, Amelia Lester try and make some sense 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: of it all. But first, here's the letters from the 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: Quikie newsroom. Wednesday, February five, A woman in Western Sydney 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: has taken out the one hundred million dollar lottery drawer overnight. 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: A late night phone call delivered the news as she 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: dozed in front of the telly after watching an episode 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: of Maths. The winner, who's chosen to remain anonymous, reportedly 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: answered the phone after noticing a stack of missed calls, 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: asking who is this Why are you calling this late? 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Thinking something was wrong. When she was told why she'd 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: been interrupted, she responded by one them they'd better not 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: be pranking her, and that she didn't know whether to 21 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: believe them or not. She explained that internally she was 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: sweating bullets. The woman who bought her entry online was 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: the only Division one winner, meaning she walks away with 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: the entire one hundred million dollar prize herself. It makes 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: her the largest single Osloto winner since the draw began 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety four. She plans to buy herself 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: a house of her own, to start treating herself more, 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: stop working seven days a week, although she does love 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: her job and will start taking a few more holidays. 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: The Australian government has banned the Chinese AI model deep 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: sig from its systems over security concerns. Home Affairs Minister 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: Tony Burke says AI is a technology full of potential 33 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: and opportunity, but the government will not hesitate to act 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: when their agencies identify national security risk. The Department has 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: also suspended access to chat, GPT and Google's AI Assistant 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: from its systems over concerns they could incorporate sensitive information 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: from prompts into its data set and later expose it. 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: Seeks AI chatbot provides a similar experience to existing competitors, 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: but was trained at a fraction of the cost and 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: using significantly less computing power, making it better for the environment. 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: If Australia finds itself with a hung Parliament after this 42 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: year's federal election, the Till independents say they'll use the 43 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to ban gambling ads. Labour has been slow to 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: reform the gambling ad situation, despite it being a recommendation 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: from a landmark parliamentary inquiry. Goldstein MP Zoe Daniels says 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: the Murphy Report unequivocally found partial gambling bands don't work. 47 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: Member for MCKELA Sophie Scamp says gambling has a major 48 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: public health impact, with people losing their homes, increasing risk 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: of domestic violence and people losing their jobs, saying they 50 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: need to act now. Elake to Labour policy would have 51 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: banned gambling ads during and after sports and during children's programming, 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: but after backlash from betting companies claiming it would only 53 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: push Australians to offshore unregulated gambling sites, it was taken 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: back to the drawing board. Controversial pick for Health secret 55 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: Tree in the US, Robert F. Kennedy Junior has moved 56 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: closer to securing his position, winning enough support to advance 57 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: to a full Senate vote this week. Kennedy has been 58 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: under fire during the confirmation hearings. Asked to explain his 59 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: anti VAX's position and the conspiracy theories he's pushed in 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: the past about the life saving medicines, Kennedy rejected the 61 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: idea he was anti vax, telling the committee he would 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: not prevent people in the US from getting them. The 63 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: Republican led committee voted fourteen to thirteen along party lines 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: to move Kennedy to the final stage of the process. 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: If confirmed, he'll run the US Department of Health and 66 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: Human Services, which oversees more than three trillion dollars in 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: health care spending, as well as overseeing the FDA, or 68 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: Federal Drug Administration, and the agency in charge of Medicare 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: and Medicaid that provides health insurance for one hundred and 70 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: forty million people. Golfer Tiger Woods has taken to social 71 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: media to pay tribute to his mum, who passed away 72 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: this week. Woods wrote that Cultilda, who was seventy eight, 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: was a force of nature all of her own. Her 74 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: spirit was simply undeniable. He says she was quick with 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: a needle and a laugh. She was my biggest fan. 76 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: Greatest supporter, and without her none of his personal achievements 77 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: would have been possible. Woods did not reveal his mum's 78 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: cause of death. She had attended his TGL match in 79 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: Florida to watch her son play. Just last week, that's 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: your latest news headlines. Next two weeks of Trump, and 81 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: already Wall Street's taken a dive, employees find themselves locked 82 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: out and fired, and tensions arising with foreign powers. We 83 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: break down the first fortnight of the second Coming of Trump. 84 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: On President Donald Trump's first day in office, he signed 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: twenty six executive orders, twelve memoranda, and four proclamations. So 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: many things have been signed off on, signed into action, 87 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: or promised that it's hard to keep track of it all. 88 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: So here's just a few of the things that have 89 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: happened in the first two weeks of the Trump administration. 90 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, he established the Department of Government 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Efficiency as a new federal agency run by his friend, 92 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: billionaire Elon Musk. Mosk this week announced that he would 93 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: be shutting down USA, which provides donations to countries around 94 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: the world for eight initiatives, including women's health and conflict 95 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: zones helping get access to clean water, disease control and prevention, 96 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: and other initiatives. Trump ordered the immediate termination of remote 97 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: work for all their federal employees and implemented a federal 98 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: hiring freeze, with the exception for military, immigration enforcement, and 99 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: national security positions. The administration authorized military deployment to the 100 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: southern border with Mexico and suspended entry for individuals who 101 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: failed to provide sufficient medical and criminal background information. Trump 102 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: has also directed penalties for countries refusing to accept deported migrants, 103 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: coming to diplomatic blows with Columbia when they refused to 104 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: allow planes carrying deported citizens to land citing the mistreatment 105 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: of those who were being deported. Trump eliminated all federal 106 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: diversity Equity in Inclusion or DEI programs, including Chief Diversity 107 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Officer positions and equity action plans. And order also went 108 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: out to the CDC to eliminate terms from any pending 109 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: medical research submitted to be published, including terms like non binary, LGBTQ, 110 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: pregnant person, transgender, and biological male or female. The president 111 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: granted clemency to around fifteen hundred individuals charged in connection 112 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: with the January sixth Capitol Building Right, including leaders of 113 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers who were convicted of 114 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: seditious conspiracy. Trump issued an order claiming to restore freedom 115 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: of speech and n federal censorship, directing the Attorney General 116 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: to investigate previous administration policies regarding online platforms. He also 117 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: temporarily delayed the implementation of TikTok restrictions. The administration has 118 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: effectively nullified seventy eight of Joe Biden's initiatives, with Trump's 119 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: first executive order alone rescinding sixty seven of Biden's directives, 120 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: claiming during the election campaign that he didn't know the 121 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: people involved or have anything to do with it. His 122 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: actions aligned significantly with Project twenty twenty five's proposals, with 123 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: over two thirds of his initial executive actions matching recommendations 124 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: from the Mandate for Leadership Guide. One of those bid 125 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: nearer executive orders that has now been ditched is the 126 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: ban on gifts from lobbyists to politicians and the requirement 127 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: of a time frame between being a federal employee and 128 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: joining lobbying firms. This rolls back the ethics requirements of 129 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: anyone now part of the Trump administration. Trump withdrew the 130 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: United States from the Paris Climate Accord, and the World 131 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: Health Organization. He also issued a memorandum on America First 132 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: Trade Policy, directing Cabinet officials to address what he terms 133 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: unfair and unbalanced trade, particularly focusing on relations with China. 134 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: He has since signed off on tariffs on imports from China, Mexico, 135 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: and Canada, but paused the tariffs on Mexican imports after 136 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: an agreement to better secure the border between the two countries. 137 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: Canadian politicians heat back with boycotts on US imports. 138 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: For our first of many steps, effective today, I have 139 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: directed BC Liquor Sales to immediately stop buying American liquor 140 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: from Red States. But now that the fight is here, 141 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: we are sticking up for ourselves and we are pushing back. 142 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: And today we're announcing that we're pulling eighty million dollars 143 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: out of the American economy. And that's just little old Manitoba. 144 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: So I'm asking you to buy a Canadian beer and 145 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: to buy a Canadian wine and Canadian liquor as part 146 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: of us sticking up for our jobs and sticking up 147 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: for our economy. 148 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: The premiere of Ontario appeared on Fox News to be 149 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: asked by the host. Why wouldn't they want to just 150 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: be taken over by the US. 151 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: You say that Americans don't have a problem with Canadians, 152 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: and we don't, but it seems like you have a 153 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: problem with us, because if I were less than this 154 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: end of another country, and I was a neighbor of 155 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: the United States, I would consider it a privilege to 156 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: be taken over by the United States of America. That's 157 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: what everybody else in the world wants, American citizenship for 158 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: some reason, that's repellent to you Canadians, and I find 159 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: that personally offensive. 160 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: Premiere. 161 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: A sweeping executive order titled Ending the Weaponization of the 162 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: Federal Government directs the Attorney General to investigate and correct 163 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: supposedly politically motivated activities at the department. Several employees in 164 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: the Justice Department were fired for working on cases brought 165 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump before he became president again. The administration 166 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: has also directed the US Attorney General to pursue capital 167 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: punishment more aggressively, particularly for crimes against law enforcement officers 168 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: or those committed by undocumented immigrants, and the list goes on. 169 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: We caught up with Emelia Lester Mumamere's US correspondent and 170 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the deputy editor of Foreign Policy Magazine Yesterday, Amelia, There's 171 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: a theory being discussed in some circles that the reason 172 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: for Trump doing so much in his first few weeks 173 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: is something called overwhelmed theory, that if you throw too 174 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: much information at the people, they will inevitably accept it 175 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: all because it's too hard to focus in on any 176 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: one thing. Would you agree that that might be happening here. 177 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about something that Steve 178 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: Bannon said back in twenty eighteen. Now, Steve Bannon is 179 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: actually not a part of Trump's second administration. He was 180 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 4: kind of Trump's Bengali in his first campaign for president, 181 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 4: and then he was involved in Trump's first administration. Since then, 182 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: he's gone to jail, gotten out of jail, now seems 183 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 4: to be a professional podcast guest. Nonetheless, I think that 184 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 4: the rationale that he gave in twenty eight team is 185 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 4: very revealing for how Trump and his team operates. He 186 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 4: told the writer Michael Lewis, the Democrats don't matter. The 187 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 4: real opposition is the media, and the way to deal 188 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 4: with them is to flood the zone with shit. Then 189 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 4: the basic idea of this is it's not about persuasion, 190 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 4: which is how we normally think of politics, or how 191 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 4: we used to think of politics. Here's why my idea works, 192 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: Here's why you should agree with what I'm doing. It's 193 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: about disorientation. People become so confused, so overwhelmed, so deluged 194 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 4: with noise and announcements, that they kind of give up. 195 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: They kind of become immune to any news developments. Then, 196 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 4: of course, there's another element here, which is Trump says 197 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 4: a lot of things he doesn't necessarily follow through on them. 198 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 4: One good example is just today, real reality TV principles 199 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: operating here. Remember Trump got his start on reality TV. 200 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 4: He was due to have a phone call with Canadian 201 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 4: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau about the twenty five percent tariffs 202 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 4: on Canadian goods that was set to be introduced today 203 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 4: US time, which is Tuesday. So the idea was phone 204 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 4: call with Justin Trudeau to potentially walk back the tariffs. 205 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 4: That phone call happened a couple of hours ago, as 206 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: we're speaking now. There was no announcement about what happened 207 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 4: on the call. Instead, he was asked by the press 208 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 4: if there was any upshot, if the tariffs was still happening. 209 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: He simply said the call went very well. Asked if 210 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 4: the tariffs against Canada are still going into effect tonight, 211 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: he said, watch, that's classic reality TV Cliffhanger principle at work. 212 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 4: So I think there's two elements here. There's the ban 213 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 4: and flood the zone was shit, and then there's the 214 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 4: fact that Trump, as a reality TV veteran, knows exactly 215 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 4: how to keep people glued to the screen waiting for 216 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 4: the next installment. 217 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: Can I ask who benefits the most from all of 218 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: these policies that are currently being flooded through. We often 219 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: talk about what Trump's agenda is, but we don't really 220 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: focus on who benefits the most. Because we were told 221 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: that prices were going to be brought down, and you know, 222 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: there was all these promises made to the American people, 223 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: and as we know, Trump has taken to social media 224 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: to saying that, well, actually there might be a bit 225 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: of financial pain for you. Somebody pointed out that there 226 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: was one of the Biden administration things that were rolled 227 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: back by Trump which kind of made sense as to 228 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: who is benefiting, and that is the one that stopped 229 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: lobbyists from gifting politicians and that timeframe between being a 230 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: federal employee and becoming a lobbyist. Are we looking at 231 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: Trump as kind of taking care of his bodies. 232 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: It's a really good question, Claire. I've been thinking about 233 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 4: that too, because the election was very much one on 234 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 4: the so called price of eggs, on cost of living concerns, 235 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 4: and Trump did promise to bring down the cost of living. 236 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 4: But since taking off, as he's said at least twice, 237 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 4: that cost of living is not his top priority, that 238 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: instead he's focused on immigration. I would actually say that 239 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 4: even more than immigration, the one through line through all 240 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 4: the fifty three executive orders that he's signed so far 241 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: is actually cultural issues. Immigration has folded into that. But 242 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: literally none of the orders that he has signed so far, 243 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: by his own admission, would do anything to bring down 244 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 4: the cost of eggs, and in fact, in the case 245 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 4: of tariffs, very likely will increase cost of living for 246 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: most people on most things. 247 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: Can we talk about those cultural decisions? Because the dei 248 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: hires is a big one language being used, especially by 249 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: the CDC in medical journals. Now they've outlawed lots of 250 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: different terms including trans or non binary, or biological male 251 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: or female, and then there's a lot more involved and 252 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: folded in with the immigration discussions. Why are we seeing 253 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: this big shift towards that kind of cultural conversation And 254 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying, this is exactly what 255 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five wanted, and it seems very aligned 256 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: with that. Do you think that's where we're going? 257 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 4: I think the real reason why Trump wants to talk 258 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: about transgender youth and transgender people in the military is 259 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: because right now Congress is working on the act that 260 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: will entrench tax cuts for the super wealthy. That bill 261 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 4: will likely pass in the next few months, and I 262 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 4: think that's the real agenda here. But tax cuts for 263 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: the super wealthy are very difficult to spin, even for 264 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 4: a master of spin like do Trump. And so while 265 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 4: Congress is working away on this very concrete proposal to 266 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 4: make life easier for the super wealthy, it's extremely distracting 267 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 4: to talk about trans issues and to take two which 268 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: have already had very concrete impacts on trans people's lives. 269 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: The first is that the State Department is no longer 270 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: issuing documents with an X for people who do not 271 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: identify as male or female, and it will also no 272 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: longer allow for a change in gender market. So if 273 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: you go to apply for a passport right now in 274 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: the US, you'll no longer have on the drop down 275 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: MENUX as one of your options for gender identity. This 276 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 4: has had already an impact on trans people in the US. 277 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: I have heard anecdotally from at least one person who 278 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 4: is trans who went to get their passport renewed that 279 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: their passport was taken away because it had this gender 280 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: identity market that no longer exists according to the Trump administration, 281 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 4: and that person would therefore have to apply for a 282 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 4: whole new passport. The transgender safeguards in the military that 283 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 4: will put in place have been moved in an executive order, 284 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: the President said, and I found this kind of shocking, 285 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: to be honest. You said that being transgender conflicts with 286 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: a soldier's commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle. 287 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: Six transgender active duty members have already filed a lawsuit 288 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: against this ban that Trump has put in place on 289 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 4: transgender people in the military. That language struck me because 290 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 4: it is so emotive, it is so judgmental, it's prejudiced, really, 291 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 4: and I can't help but think that we're all being 292 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 4: distracted by this extremely charged language about a very small 293 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: group of people serving the country in the military, or 294 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: about a very small group of people applying for passports, 295 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,479 Speaker 4: because Congress is working on the real project. 296 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: Can we talk about this trade war. You've already mentioned 297 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: the call with Justin Trudeau and whether these tariffs are 298 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: actually going to go ahead, because we've seen with Mexico 299 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: they've already been put on pause after there was some 300 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: agreement over securing the border between the two countries. Is 301 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: this of a bullied ploy to kind of get what 302 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: Trump wants and then he'll just dump these tariffs, Claire, I. 303 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 4: Wish I knew to step back a little bit on tariffs. 304 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 4: No economists think tariffs of this kind are a good idea. Now, 305 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 4: there have been for a long time certain tariffs on 306 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: certain goods. So for instance, a Biden administration extended tariffs 307 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 4: that the Trump administration put place on Chinese imports to 308 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: the US. But talking about twenty five percent tariffs on 309 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 4: goods coming from Canada, albeit with a carve out for energy, 310 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 4: the US is very dependent on Canadian energy, which would 311 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 4: only be tariff at ten percent. It's just an extraordinary 312 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 4: story for a neighbor that has been by America's side, 313 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 4: you just had to look at how emotional Justin Trudeau 314 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 4: was last week when he was responding to Trump's announcement 315 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: that these tariffs would be enacted. He seemed very shaken 316 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 4: and upset, and it's understandable why. It's like someone's best 317 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 4: friend turning on them. Moreover, it doesn't even make economic sense, 318 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 4: so people have been trying to retrofit explanations for why 319 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: Trump would actually do this to Canada. The crazy thing 320 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 4: is that Canada doesn't even have anything that it can 321 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 4: really give the US in a bargain. Obviously, Mexico is 322 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 4: more intertwined on immigration issues, but the ostensible reason why 323 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 4: Trump has done this to Canada is because he says 324 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: that Canada is sending fentanyl to the US. Trudeau has 325 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 4: shown that less than one percent of fentanyl in the 326 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: US comes from Canada, and he's also alluded to legal 327 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 4: immigration from Canada, which experts say are simply not happening. 328 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: It seems like Trump actually thinks that Canada would become 329 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 4: the fifty first state of the United States, and maybe 330 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: that's the bargain that Trump's trying to drive, but that's 331 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 4: just not going to happen. So you're only left with 332 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 4: the idea that this is inflicting pain on both sides. 333 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 4: As to why, I don't think there's an easy answer. 334 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: Well, I think you might be right because Trump did 335 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: post on social media that Canada would cease to exist 336 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: without the trade deficit that they experience and benefit from 337 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: with the US. So maybe it is to broad a 338 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: plan to absorb Canada into the United States. 339 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 4: Which is crazy. I mean, I saw today that there 340 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 4: was an opinion piece in an Australian newspaper by a 341 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: former liberal politician advising Greenland to join the US because 342 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 4: Greenland will be so much wealthier affiliated with the US 343 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 4: rather than as it is currently with Denmark. What that 344 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 4: seems to miss is that Greenland doesn't want to be 345 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 4: a part of the US. It's like someone saying, well, 346 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 4: Australia would be richer if we became the fifty first 347 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 4: state of the United States. That might be true, but 348 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 4: Australia is its own country, just like Canada is its 349 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 4: own country. It just seems to be operating in a 350 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: completely delusional plane. 351 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, will Australia be impacted by these trade wars? 352 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 4: You think I've seen various interpretations on this or a 353 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 4: Reserve Bank put out a very lengthy study on what 354 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 4: they think is going to happen. The ultimate answer was 355 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 4: a little bit emoji shrug. The first school of thoughts 356 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 4: says that Australia could benefit from this as long as 357 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 4: we play nice with both sides ADS, as long as 358 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 4: we keep on a relatively cordial track with China, as 359 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 4: long as we somehow manage to stay personally in Trump's 360 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 4: good graces, Australia could potentially benefit from the pitting of 361 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: these two superpowers against each other. There's another school of 362 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: thought which I personally find more convincing, which says that 363 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: if China is going to sell less goods to the 364 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: United States, which is what's going to happen with these 365 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 4: very steep tariffs, it's going to need fewer raw materials 366 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 4: from Australia. And that's the big component of the China 367 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 4: Australia relationship that's in jeopardy because if China buys fewer 368 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 4: raw materials from Australia to make fewer goods, that will 369 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 4: be to Australia's detriment. And then there's a third school 370 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 4: of thought that simply says trade wars are bad for 371 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 4: everyone in the world. They contribute to overall financial volatility 372 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 4: and insecurity, and the idea of certain countries being insulated 373 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 4: from it because they're not part of that particular trade 374 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: war is not in touch with how interconnected and how 375 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 4: interdependent the world is at this point. Think about during COVID, 376 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: when supply chains as far as way Is shipping canals 377 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 4: in Egypt led to the driving up of prices. The 378 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 4: reality is if prices are driven up in one place, 379 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 4: they're going to be likely driven up everywhere. 380 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: So interesting to see China threaten to take the US 381 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: to the World Trade Organization, which is exactly what we 382 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: did when they put tariffs on our goods being sent 383 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: into China. So it's interesting how the tables have turned there. 384 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: And you're also raising a good point, which is that 385 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: a lot of these moves that this administration are doing 386 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 4: a borderline illegal, if not actually illegal. This is why 387 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 4: Trudeau is trying to get an adjudication on the fact 388 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: that there is a free trade agreement in place between 389 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 4: Canada and the US that Trump is seemingly just ignoring 390 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 4: with this move to slap tariffs on Canada, and that 391 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 4: idea of is this even legal extenses? So many of 392 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 4: the Trump Administration's moves in these early days, and of 393 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 4: these fifty three executive orders so far, so many of 394 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 4: them are already tied up in the courts as to 395 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 4: whether or not they can even be enacted. 396 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: After we spoke to Amelia, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau 397 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: confirm that the plan US tariffs on Canadian goods will 398 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: also be delayed for thirty days, posting on social media 399 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: that Canada is implementing their one point three billion dollar 400 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: border plan and will appoint a sentinelsar which will list 401 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: cartels as terrorists and ensure there is a twenty four 402 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: to seven I on the border. So through the chaos, 403 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: Trump is getting results. Thanks for taking the time to 404 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: feed your mind with us today. The quickie is produced 405 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: by me Claire Murphy and our executive producer Taylor Strano, 406 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: with audio production by Louhill.