1 00:00:10,254 --> 00:00:13,294 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,094 --> 00:00:17,214 Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,374 --> 00:00:24,494 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily 5 00:00:24,534 --> 00:00:28,294 Speaker 3: news podcast. The Quickie politicians are pulling out all the 6 00:00:28,334 --> 00:00:31,494 Speaker 3: stops to win over Gen Z voters, from dropping disc 7 00:00:31,494 --> 00:00:35,494 Speaker 3: tracks to live streaming video games. But is it working? Plus? 8 00:00:35,534 --> 00:00:38,854 Speaker 3: Are you across tariff top? Why are Chinese manufacturers suddenly 9 00:00:38,934 --> 00:00:42,774 Speaker 3: exposing the luxury goods industry? Before we answer those questions, 10 00:00:42,854 --> 00:00:45,254 Speaker 3: here's Grace Rufe Ray were the latest from the Quickie 11 00:00:45,254 --> 00:00:47,654 Speaker 3: newsroom for Thursday, April seventeen. 12 00:00:48,254 --> 00:00:50,574 Speaker 2: Voters will have the final say on who came out 13 00:00:50,574 --> 00:00:54,054 Speaker 2: on top after Peter Dutton and Anthony Albinizi went head 14 00:00:54,094 --> 00:00:58,374 Speaker 2: to head in their second Leader's debate, revisiting familiar campaign themes. 15 00:00:58,894 --> 00:01:02,414 Speaker 2: Held at ABC's studios in Western Sydney and moderated by 16 00:01:02,494 --> 00:01:06,614 Speaker 2: David Spears, the debate was the second of four scheduled showdowns. 17 00:01:07,134 --> 00:01:10,414 Speaker 2: Unlike the first debate, where undecided voters chose the winner, 18 00:01:10,814 --> 00:01:13,974 Speaker 2: this round offered no immediate verdict, leaving the outcome to 19 00:01:14,014 --> 00:01:17,174 Speaker 2: be determined at the ballot box on May THREI. The 20 00:01:17,254 --> 00:01:20,854 Speaker 2: leaders tackled a broad range of issues, including housing, affordability, 21 00:01:20,934 --> 00:01:24,774 Speaker 2: international relations, and climate policy. Donald Trump made his way 22 00:01:24,854 --> 00:01:27,654 Speaker 2: into the debate, with mister Dutton distancing himself from the 23 00:01:27,734 --> 00:01:32,014 Speaker 2: US President while simultaneously claiming he could negotiate a tariff 24 00:01:32,054 --> 00:01:32,854 Speaker 2: exemption deal. 25 00:01:33,174 --> 00:01:35,894 Speaker 4: We trust the United States and I don't know the president. 26 00:01:36,734 --> 00:01:37,534 Speaker 4: I've not met him. 27 00:01:38,014 --> 00:01:41,094 Speaker 1: A prime minister obviously has been able to. 28 00:01:41,174 --> 00:01:44,094 Speaker 2: Mister Albanese took a more cautious stance, saying he had 29 00:01:44,134 --> 00:01:47,494 Speaker 2: no reason not to trust Trump, but described the US 30 00:01:47,614 --> 00:01:51,614 Speaker 2: tariffs as an act of economic self harm. Housing emerged 31 00:01:51,654 --> 00:01:54,694 Speaker 2: as a major talking point, with both leaders under pressure 32 00:01:54,734 --> 00:01:58,774 Speaker 2: to explain how their policies would avoid further inflating property prices. 33 00:01:59,414 --> 00:02:03,614 Speaker 2: Albanese leaned on Labour's housing supply plan, including building one 34 00:02:03,774 --> 00:02:07,414 Speaker 2: hundred thousand homes for first home buyers. Dutton outlined a 35 00:02:07,454 --> 00:02:11,054 Speaker 2: five point strategy that included allowing Australians to withdraw up 36 00:02:11,094 --> 00:02:15,014 Speaker 2: to fifty thousand dollars from their superannuation for home deposits, 37 00:02:15,334 --> 00:02:19,814 Speaker 2: slashing immigration, and banning foreign ownership of property. Neither leader 38 00:02:19,894 --> 00:02:22,894 Speaker 2: was willing to touch the political sensitive issues of negative 39 00:02:22,894 --> 00:02:26,854 Speaker 2: gearing or capital gains tax. When pressed, mister Alberzi denied 40 00:02:26,894 --> 00:02:30,054 Speaker 2: that the government had modeled the effect of removing negative gearing, 41 00:02:30,414 --> 00:02:34,294 Speaker 2: despite reports the Treasury had done so. On energy, mister 42 00:02:34,334 --> 00:02:38,214 Speaker 2: Alberze reaffirmed his commitment to renewables, but was unable to 43 00:02:38,214 --> 00:02:41,094 Speaker 2: specify when Australians could expect lower power bills. 44 00:02:41,174 --> 00:02:43,574 Speaker 3: When do we see the bills come down? Well, what 45 00:02:43,654 --> 00:02:46,414 Speaker 3: we need to do is to roll out renewable to 46 00:02:46,454 --> 00:02:49,294 Speaker 3: make sure there's energy security, make sure it's backed up 47 00:02:49,574 --> 00:02:52,374 Speaker 3: by batteries, by hydro and by gas. 48 00:02:52,614 --> 00:02:55,854 Speaker 2: Mister Dutton acknowledged climate change Israel, but declined to comment 49 00:02:55,894 --> 00:02:57,854 Speaker 2: on the extent of its impact on Australia. 50 00:02:57,974 --> 00:03:00,774 Speaker 4: Well that the water levels were up in Thargamunda's latest 51 00:03:00,774 --> 00:03:03,614 Speaker 4: flood as a result of climate change, and I think 52 00:03:03,654 --> 00:03:06,454 Speaker 4: the honest answer for most people is that they don't know. 53 00:03:06,574 --> 00:03:09,534 Speaker 2: Absent from this debate was any discussion on domestic violence, 54 00:03:09,974 --> 00:03:13,694 Speaker 2: with mister Albanesi referencing women's specific policies and funding only 55 00:03:13,734 --> 00:03:17,334 Speaker 2: briefly during his closing remarks. The first debate, hosted by 56 00:03:17,334 --> 00:03:20,214 Speaker 2: Sky News and The Daily Telegraph, ended with a narrow 57 00:03:20,254 --> 00:03:22,934 Speaker 2: win for mister Albanezi. Forty four percent of the undecided 58 00:03:23,014 --> 00:03:25,894 Speaker 2: voters in attendance deemed him the winner, though twenty one 59 00:03:25,934 --> 00:03:29,614 Speaker 2: percent remained unsure. With more debates ahead, the race for 60 00:03:29,654 --> 00:03:34,134 Speaker 2: the winner remains open. Seven nations across four continents have 61 00:03:34,174 --> 00:03:38,614 Speaker 2: expressed interest in hosting future Commonwealth Games, with Canada, India, 62 00:03:38,814 --> 00:03:42,894 Speaker 2: Nigeria and two undisclosed countries eyeing the Games for twenty thirty. 63 00:03:43,294 --> 00:03:45,814 Speaker 2: New Zealand is also in the mix, although looking ahead 64 00:03:45,814 --> 00:03:49,374 Speaker 2: to the twenty thirty four Games. This renewed interest follows 65 00:03:49,414 --> 00:03:52,454 Speaker 2: a tough period for the event after Victoria withdrew as 66 00:03:52,494 --> 00:03:55,814 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six host due to costs. Scotland has 67 00:03:55,854 --> 00:03:58,374 Speaker 2: since stepped in, with Glasgow set to host in twenty 68 00:03:58,414 --> 00:04:03,374 Speaker 2: twenty six. Commonwealth Sports CEO Katie Sadleir called the global 69 00:04:03,374 --> 00:04:07,174 Speaker 2: response incredible, highlighting the shift to a more flexible, collaborative 70 00:04:07,174 --> 00:04:11,614 Speaker 2: host selection process launched in January. Detailed propositions will be 71 00:04:11,654 --> 00:04:13,934 Speaker 2: reviewed over the next five months, with a twenty to 72 00:04:14,014 --> 00:04:16,934 Speaker 2: thirty host expected to be chosen at the General Assembly 73 00:04:17,014 --> 00:04:21,774 Speaker 2: in Glasgow this November. Organizers hope the reimagined model, emphasizing 74 00:04:21,854 --> 00:04:26,574 Speaker 2: reduced costs, parisport inclusion and adaptable programming will open the 75 00:04:26,614 --> 00:04:30,814 Speaker 2: doors for more diverse hosts. A new study suggests that 76 00:04:30,894 --> 00:04:35,294 Speaker 2: installing electric vehicle charges at workplaces could encourage more Australians 77 00:04:35,334 --> 00:04:39,054 Speaker 2: to buy evs and return to the office. Released by 78 00:04:39,094 --> 00:04:42,334 Speaker 2: the Electric Vehicle Council and conducted by the University of Sydney, 79 00:04:42,694 --> 00:04:45,534 Speaker 2: the survey found that while most EV owners can charge 80 00:04:45,574 --> 00:04:48,294 Speaker 2: at home, fewer than one in three have access to 81 00:04:48,374 --> 00:04:52,094 Speaker 2: charges at work. Ev Council is calling on political partners 82 00:04:52,134 --> 00:04:56,174 Speaker 2: to offer tax breaks and incentives for charger installations ahead 83 00:04:56,214 --> 00:04:58,934 Speaker 2: of the May three election. There are now over three 84 00:04:58,974 --> 00:05:02,934 Speaker 2: hundred thousand evs on Australian roads, though sales have slowed recently. 85 00:05:03,454 --> 00:05:07,734 Speaker 2: Proposed changes to admission standards and penalties could also impact 86 00:05:07,774 --> 00:05:10,934 Speaker 2: the market, as the Coalition lemisses to roll back penalties 87 00:05:10,934 --> 00:05:15,574 Speaker 2: for high emission vehicles. Byron Bay's iconic Blues Fest may 88 00:05:15,654 --> 00:05:18,774 Speaker 2: not be ending after all. Despite earlier claims that this 89 00:05:18,894 --> 00:05:22,254 Speaker 2: year's twenty twenty five edition would be its last event, 90 00:05:22,294 --> 00:05:25,854 Speaker 2: Director Peter Noble initially announced that this year's festival, scaled 91 00:05:25,894 --> 00:05:28,774 Speaker 2: back to four days due to declining ticket sales, would 92 00:05:28,814 --> 00:05:32,054 Speaker 2: be the final one, which sparked a ticket buying frenzy 93 00:05:32,574 --> 00:05:36,254 Speaker 2: with ninety seven percent of tickets sold and camping spots gone. 94 00:05:36,414 --> 00:05:38,854 Speaker 2: The event is now one of the most successful since 95 00:05:38,854 --> 00:05:42,774 Speaker 2: the pandemic. Noble later admitted his last ever announcement was 96 00:05:42,814 --> 00:05:46,734 Speaker 2: aimed at prompting government support amid rising costs and a 97 00:05:46,774 --> 00:05:51,174 Speaker 2: wave of festival cancelations across Australia. While Byron's other major 98 00:05:51,254 --> 00:05:54,054 Speaker 2: music festival, Splendor in the Grass, canceled its twenty twenty 99 00:05:54,054 --> 00:05:57,174 Speaker 2: four and twenty twenty five events, blues Fest appears to 100 00:05:57,214 --> 00:06:00,014 Speaker 2: be powering ahead, with Noble already booking acts for twenty 101 00:06:00,054 --> 00:06:03,814 Speaker 2: twenty six. This year's star studded lineup, starting from Thursday, 102 00:06:04,134 --> 00:06:07,974 Speaker 2: includes Crowded House Tones and I Hilltop Hoods, Tom Morello and. 103 00:06:07,894 --> 00:06:13,054 Speaker 3: Missy Higgins Grace Next. The unexpected ways politicians are trying 104 00:06:13,094 --> 00:06:22,174 Speaker 3: to woo young voters. Australia's politicians and their campaigns have 105 00:06:22,254 --> 00:06:25,694 Speaker 3: been put into overdrive as they desperately try to connect 106 00:06:25,814 --> 00:06:28,494 Speaker 3: with young voters. As we know this year, for the 107 00:06:28,534 --> 00:06:31,254 Speaker 3: first time ever, there'll be more young people voting than 108 00:06:31,294 --> 00:06:35,294 Speaker 3: ever before, with Gen Z and Millennials outnumbering Baby boomers 109 00:06:35,334 --> 00:06:38,414 Speaker 3: at the ballot box and so in an attempt to 110 00:06:38,414 --> 00:06:41,214 Speaker 3: gain the votes of this large group. The last Fortnight 111 00:06:41,294 --> 00:06:44,214 Speaker 3: has seen some truly wild attempts to woo gen Z, 112 00:06:44,814 --> 00:06:48,134 Speaker 3: from Adam Band spinning tracks as DJ Bant, to Peter 113 00:06:48,254 --> 00:06:52,134 Speaker 3: Dutton deploying his son as a campaign asset, and even 114 00:06:52,134 --> 00:06:55,854 Speaker 3: the Liberal Party dropping a disc track called Leaving Labor 115 00:06:56,054 --> 00:06:59,934 Speaker 3: Bring Down. This is what we need because our bull's 116 00:06:59,934 --> 00:07:04,494 Speaker 3: got to live. Our bulls lives, not to be outdown. 117 00:07:04,614 --> 00:07:08,574 Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi has been peppering his speeches with gen Z slang, 118 00:07:10,014 --> 00:07:14,694 Speaker 3: recently calling opposition policies delulu. That's short for delusional in 119 00:07:14,774 --> 00:07:16,094 Speaker 3: cashon and up with the lingo. 120 00:07:16,854 --> 00:07:21,734 Speaker 5: They are delulu with no salulu mister speakab. They are 121 00:07:21,894 --> 00:07:23,414 Speaker 5: completely delusion. 122 00:07:23,654 --> 00:07:26,774 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Green Senator Nick McKim took a different approach. He's 123 00:07:26,814 --> 00:07:30,934 Speaker 3: been live streaming himself playing Fortnite while discussing climate policy 124 00:07:31,094 --> 00:07:32,454 Speaker 3: and housing affordability. 125 00:07:32,534 --> 00:07:35,534 Speaker 4: We dropping in the forest. I want to say two things. One, 126 00:07:35,774 --> 00:07:39,814 Speaker 4: the forts are like my favorite biome on the planet. 127 00:07:39,974 --> 00:07:44,934 Speaker 4: And secondly, could we stop chopping them down? Please immediately 128 00:07:45,054 --> 00:07:45,934 Speaker 4: save the forests. 129 00:07:46,494 --> 00:07:49,214 Speaker 3: There is a serious strategy behind these attempts, With more 130 00:07:49,254 --> 00:07:52,734 Speaker 3: than nine hundred thousand voters aged between eighteen to twenty 131 00:07:52,734 --> 00:07:55,454 Speaker 3: four eligible to cast their ballot for the first time 132 00:07:55,494 --> 00:07:59,494 Speaker 3: this election, gen Z could prove decisive in marginal seats. 133 00:08:00,174 --> 00:08:02,534 Speaker 3: So how do they actually feel about all these attempts 134 00:08:02,574 --> 00:08:05,614 Speaker 3: to capture their attention and votes. Well, I asked my 135 00:08:05,694 --> 00:08:08,134 Speaker 3: gen Z colleagues, I feel like. 136 00:08:08,134 --> 00:08:10,494 Speaker 6: He's just so transparent where it comes from, like De 137 00:08:10,574 --> 00:08:13,334 Speaker 6: Lulu with some girlies giving albow a dare, And I 138 00:08:13,374 --> 00:08:16,454 Speaker 6: think because we just generally know more of his personality 139 00:08:16,494 --> 00:08:19,814 Speaker 6: throughout his term and campaign, it just feels authentic and funny. 140 00:08:20,134 --> 00:08:23,174 Speaker 6: But the distrack it read as jen Z maybe pitching 141 00:08:23,174 --> 00:08:26,174 Speaker 6: this idea, going through rounds of feedback and ultimately feeling 142 00:08:26,254 --> 00:08:30,814 Speaker 6: just so overproduced and inauthentic. And besides the fact that 143 00:08:30,854 --> 00:08:33,654 Speaker 6: you either get it or you don't, and yeah, sometimes 144 00:08:33,694 --> 00:08:34,454 Speaker 6: it just doesn't work. 145 00:08:35,014 --> 00:08:37,934 Speaker 7: I think the Australian politicians who want us to vote 146 00:08:37,934 --> 00:08:40,814 Speaker 7: for them in the upcoming election are trying way too 147 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:43,614 Speaker 7: hard to appeal to young people by using the language 148 00:08:43,734 --> 00:08:47,294 Speaker 7: they think we want to hear. The Opposition parties distrack 149 00:08:47,454 --> 00:08:50,734 Speaker 7: honestly made me cringe. It was laughable because it was 150 00:08:50,814 --> 00:08:54,814 Speaker 7: so ridiculous. It really does show how politicians aren't taking 151 00:08:54,854 --> 00:08:56,014 Speaker 7: young people seriously. 152 00:08:56,934 --> 00:09:01,614 Speaker 1: Of course, so funny De Lulu distrack is all amazing 153 00:09:01,774 --> 00:09:06,294 Speaker 1: and makes for great content. I think it does make 154 00:09:06,334 --> 00:09:09,294 Speaker 1: me a little bit concerned though, catering it too strongly 155 00:09:09,334 --> 00:09:13,534 Speaker 1: to gen zs, just because there are millennials, boomers gen 156 00:09:13,734 --> 00:09:15,894 Speaker 1: x's that still need to vote for him and trust 157 00:09:15,974 --> 00:09:18,454 Speaker 1: him and think that he is the best person to 158 00:09:18,494 --> 00:09:21,174 Speaker 1: be in parliament. So I think hopefully they can still 159 00:09:21,214 --> 00:09:25,414 Speaker 1: take him seriously even though he is catering his messaging 160 00:09:25,654 --> 00:09:27,254 Speaker 1: very much for us, which we. 161 00:09:27,294 --> 00:09:33,014 Speaker 3: Love from politicians trying to win over gen Z to 162 00:09:33,334 --> 00:09:36,574 Speaker 3: gen Z's favored app becoming a battleground in the US 163 00:09:36,694 --> 00:09:39,534 Speaker 3: China trade war. If you've been on TikTok lately, you 164 00:09:39,614 --> 00:09:42,494 Speaker 3: might have noticed your feed being flooded with videos from 165 00:09:42,574 --> 00:09:46,134 Speaker 3: Chinese manufacturers exposing the luxury fashion industry. 166 00:09:46,614 --> 00:09:49,894 Speaker 5: Some say, as long as there's a tag seeing medi 167 00:09:49,974 --> 00:09:53,414 Speaker 5: in China, the bag can never be luxury. However, in fact, 168 00:09:53,534 --> 00:09:56,134 Speaker 5: more than eighty percent of the luxury banks in the 169 00:09:56,174 --> 00:09:59,134 Speaker 5: world are meeting in China. We take almost to finish 170 00:09:59,134 --> 00:10:01,614 Speaker 5: the backs from China factories back to their own countries 171 00:10:01,614 --> 00:10:04,734 Speaker 5: and just to do the repackaging. That way, the banks 172 00:10:04,854 --> 00:10:08,454 Speaker 5: will appear as their bootiques. As meet in Italy or 173 00:10:08,534 --> 00:10:09,174 Speaker 5: meeting in front. 174 00:10:10,054 --> 00:10:14,094 Speaker 3: These viral videos show factory workers creating high end bags, shoes, 175 00:10:14,134 --> 00:10:18,174 Speaker 3: and clothing for brands like Ermez, Lululemon, and Gucci, complete 176 00:10:18,174 --> 00:10:21,454 Speaker 3: with price breakdowns showing just how much these items actually 177 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:25,374 Speaker 3: cost to make. It's no coincidence this content is appearing now. 178 00:10:25,414 --> 00:10:28,574 Speaker 3: It's a direct response to the US government's recent decision 179 00:10:28,614 --> 00:10:32,454 Speaker 3: to raise tariffs on Chinese imports by ten percent, and 180 00:10:32,494 --> 00:10:35,654 Speaker 3: then by eighty five percent, and then most recently to 181 00:10:35,734 --> 00:10:39,454 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five percent. China has returned the 182 00:10:39,454 --> 00:10:42,254 Speaker 3: courtesy by imposing one hundred and twenty five percent tariffs 183 00:10:42,294 --> 00:10:45,694 Speaker 3: to mirror their US counterparts, and they've also canceled a 184 00:10:45,694 --> 00:10:48,414 Speaker 3: bunch of beef and chicken imports from the United States. 185 00:10:48,494 --> 00:10:52,814 Speaker 3: But today we're talking about shoes and handbags. The manufacturers 186 00:10:52,814 --> 00:10:55,974 Speaker 3: are essentially saying, fine, we'll just go straight to the customers. 187 00:10:56,494 --> 00:10:58,974 Speaker 3: And they're not just showing how the sausage is made. 188 00:10:59,054 --> 00:11:02,054 Speaker 3: They're offering to sell these items directly to consumers at 189 00:11:02,054 --> 00:11:05,454 Speaker 3: a fraction of the retail price. One viral video shows 190 00:11:05,454 --> 00:11:08,334 Speaker 3: a worker making a bag nearly identical to a popular 191 00:11:08,414 --> 00:11:12,334 Speaker 3: air Mez design that retails for over fifteen thousand dollars. 192 00:11:12,774 --> 00:11:15,734 Speaker 3: The manufacturer claims they can sell it directly to customers 193 00:11:15,734 --> 00:11:18,654 Speaker 3: for just two hundred and eighty bucks. Another shows the 194 00:11:18,654 --> 00:11:22,014 Speaker 3: production of Lulu Lemon style activewear, with the factory offering 195 00:11:22,014 --> 00:11:25,294 Speaker 3: to ship directly to customers at about one tenth of 196 00:11:25,414 --> 00:11:29,054 Speaker 3: the retail price. But this isn't just about saving money. 197 00:11:29,214 --> 00:11:33,494 Speaker 3: It's raising serious questions about luxury pricing, manufacturing ethics, and 198 00:11:33,654 --> 00:11:37,054 Speaker 3: the future of global trade. Joining us now is Mumma 199 00:11:37,094 --> 00:11:40,654 Speaker 3: MEAs Morning editor Cascreen to help understand what's really going 200 00:11:40,654 --> 00:11:43,454 Speaker 3: on cas. What's the response been like from these big 201 00:11:43,494 --> 00:11:45,374 Speaker 3: fashion houses and the US. 202 00:11:45,854 --> 00:11:46,134 Speaker 4: Yeah. 203 00:11:46,174 --> 00:11:51,294 Speaker 8: So, the European luxury labels like emmez Chanelle, Leverton and 204 00:11:51,414 --> 00:11:55,374 Speaker 8: Caring haven't directly responded to the trade war that's happening online, 205 00:11:55,614 --> 00:11:58,294 Speaker 8: but they have repeatedly said that they don't manufacture their 206 00:11:58,294 --> 00:12:01,054 Speaker 8: products in China and that they're bound by the laws 207 00:12:01,054 --> 00:12:03,254 Speaker 8: that dictate what it means to be a product made 208 00:12:03,294 --> 00:12:06,374 Speaker 8: in Italy or made in France. And other brands that 209 00:12:06,414 --> 00:12:09,174 Speaker 8: have been targeted by this online kind of social media 210 00:12:09,254 --> 00:12:13,014 Speaker 8: camp like Lilli Lemon have clarified that only three percent 211 00:12:13,094 --> 00:12:15,214 Speaker 8: of their goods are made in China. And they publish 212 00:12:15,294 --> 00:12:17,014 Speaker 8: a full list of authorized suppliers. 213 00:12:17,214 --> 00:12:19,454 Speaker 3: But there's a bit of a loophole here, right, because 214 00:12:19,494 --> 00:12:23,094 Speaker 3: sometimes when things say made in Italy or made in 215 00:12:23,814 --> 00:12:27,214 Speaker 3: X country, the loophole is and this is what I've 216 00:12:27,374 --> 00:12:31,134 Speaker 3: come to understand, is that they're massively produced in one country, 217 00:12:31,894 --> 00:12:35,054 Speaker 3: maybe sands the label or sands a buckle or a 218 00:12:35,054 --> 00:12:37,934 Speaker 3: little finishing touch, and then they're shipped over to their 219 00:12:38,054 --> 00:12:41,854 Speaker 3: country where they're sold, like Italy or France. They're assembled 220 00:12:42,014 --> 00:12:44,174 Speaker 3: in those countries, and then that's how they get around 221 00:12:44,214 --> 00:12:46,654 Speaker 3: saying it's made in Italy or made in the US. 222 00:12:47,094 --> 00:12:50,334 Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's what these tiktoks are claiming. How much 223 00:12:50,374 --> 00:12:52,974 Speaker 8: of that is true, we really don't know. But there 224 00:12:53,014 --> 00:12:55,294 Speaker 8: are a lot of rules around what it means to 225 00:12:55,294 --> 00:12:57,854 Speaker 8: be made in Italy or made in France, and these 226 00:12:57,894 --> 00:13:00,134 Speaker 8: labels say that they're fully made in Italy or fully 227 00:13:00,174 --> 00:13:03,014 Speaker 8: made in France, so really it shouldn't be that way. 228 00:13:03,214 --> 00:13:05,414 Speaker 8: But yeah, it's really hard to know is this. 229 00:13:05,414 --> 00:13:07,854 Speaker 3: Legal what these manufacturers are doing. It feels that they've 230 00:13:07,894 --> 00:13:10,454 Speaker 3: just gone, well, here you go, this is actually what 231 00:13:10,534 --> 00:13:11,974 Speaker 3: happens behind the scenes. 232 00:13:11,774 --> 00:13:14,334 Speaker 8: Exactly, and it's really intriguing as a consumer. But a 233 00:13:14,374 --> 00:13:17,254 Speaker 8: lot of experts are warning that these TikTok videos from 234 00:13:17,294 --> 00:13:20,534 Speaker 8: the lacks of send Bags and Lunar sourcing China are 235 00:13:20,574 --> 00:13:23,654 Speaker 8: just marketing pushes, So we're unsure really if they're talking 236 00:13:23,694 --> 00:13:27,814 Speaker 8: about real luxury products or potentially counterfeit and jube products. 237 00:13:28,134 --> 00:13:30,334 Speaker 8: Whether that's true or not remains to be seen, But 238 00:13:30,494 --> 00:13:33,174 Speaker 8: counterfeit luxury goods are not legal at all. Two of 239 00:13:33,214 --> 00:13:35,134 Speaker 8: the things that could make this kind of content not 240 00:13:35,254 --> 00:13:37,934 Speaker 8: legal is if it's a trademark infringement, so that means 241 00:13:37,934 --> 00:13:41,254 Speaker 8: that the manufacturer is claiming to sell a genuine Lulu 242 00:13:41,534 --> 00:13:44,894 Speaker 8: or Louis Vuitton product, but it's actually selling unauthorized copies, 243 00:13:45,534 --> 00:13:48,654 Speaker 8: or if it's false advertising, so making misleading statements about 244 00:13:48,694 --> 00:13:49,534 Speaker 8: a product's origin. 245 00:13:49,814 --> 00:13:51,814 Speaker 3: They make it look really legit, though, don't they. 246 00:13:51,854 --> 00:13:52,934 Speaker 8: Like they've got the white. 247 00:13:52,654 --> 00:13:56,534 Speaker 3: Gloves on, They've got their very nice showrooms almost within 248 00:13:56,654 --> 00:14:00,294 Speaker 3: these massive warehouses where these things are allegedly being produced, 249 00:14:00,294 --> 00:14:03,094 Speaker 3: and it all looks very legit. Like I can't say 250 00:14:03,134 --> 00:14:06,174 Speaker 3: either way, obviously I wouldn't try to, but I mean 251 00:14:06,214 --> 00:14:07,414 Speaker 3: one does wonder. 252 00:14:07,414 --> 00:14:08,934 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think it speaks to a point that 253 00:14:08,974 --> 00:14:11,534 Speaker 8: there are actual are a lot of really brilliant manufacturers 254 00:14:11,534 --> 00:14:14,334 Speaker 8: around the world. There are some great Chinese manufacturers. Lots 255 00:14:14,374 --> 00:14:17,694 Speaker 8: of brands do use really skilled artisans there. Just because 256 00:14:17,694 --> 00:14:21,054 Speaker 8: something's made in China doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile product. 257 00:14:21,214 --> 00:14:24,414 Speaker 8: It's just that it might not be a Luvton product. 258 00:14:24,534 --> 00:14:27,494 Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of creators as well who are Chinese, 259 00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:30,214 Speaker 3: and they've been saying, well, we've known about this for years, Like, 260 00:14:30,374 --> 00:14:32,374 Speaker 3: I can't believe it's taking you this long to cotton 261 00:14:32,414 --> 00:14:35,814 Speaker 3: onto how good quality that we are producing in this country. 262 00:14:36,174 --> 00:14:38,254 Speaker 3: How is this going to change? Or is this going 263 00:14:38,294 --> 00:14:40,454 Speaker 3: to change and have an impact on these big luxury 264 00:14:40,454 --> 00:14:41,214 Speaker 3: fashion houses. 265 00:14:41,694 --> 00:14:43,694 Speaker 8: I mean, I would sound quite traditional in this sense. 266 00:14:43,734 --> 00:14:45,774 Speaker 8: I don't think it's going to really change the way 267 00:14:45,774 --> 00:14:48,694 Speaker 8: people see luxury brands. They buy them for the label, 268 00:14:48,774 --> 00:14:51,174 Speaker 8: they buy them for the status, and I think that's 269 00:14:51,174 --> 00:14:53,414 Speaker 8: not going to change. But people are cottoning onto the 270 00:14:53,414 --> 00:14:56,574 Speaker 8: fact that these materials lots of people use them. I 271 00:14:56,574 --> 00:14:59,214 Speaker 8: would say the luxury brands will find more competition in 272 00:14:59,254 --> 00:15:02,174 Speaker 8: the mid range labels popping up that are also made 273 00:15:02,334 --> 00:15:04,654 Speaker 8: to really high standards like Poland and Leu and Hyde 274 00:15:04,694 --> 00:15:05,414 Speaker 8: and things like that. 275 00:15:05,614 --> 00:15:08,174 Speaker 3: Okay, so we keep seeing these videos online people keep 276 00:15:08,214 --> 00:15:09,774 Speaker 3: going like, oh cool, Well, if I can buy a 277 00:15:09,774 --> 00:15:12,494 Speaker 3: Selene bag for half the price or a fraction of 278 00:15:12,534 --> 00:15:14,854 Speaker 3: the price and a burkin like, sign me up. But 279 00:15:14,894 --> 00:15:16,654 Speaker 3: where are people actually doing it, because it's not like 280 00:15:16,694 --> 00:15:18,534 Speaker 3: you can buy it just from a TikTok video. 281 00:15:18,814 --> 00:15:19,054 Speaker 4: Yeah. 282 00:15:19,094 --> 00:15:21,894 Speaker 8: So there are a series of online websites that do 283 00:15:21,934 --> 00:15:24,134 Speaker 8: sell these products, but I do have to flag that 284 00:15:24,174 --> 00:15:26,214 Speaker 8: a lot of them are counterfeit, so that is completely 285 00:15:26,294 --> 00:15:29,174 Speaker 8: not legal to buy from. You'll see people talking on 286 00:15:29,214 --> 00:15:31,454 Speaker 8: TikTok about the yellow app that refers to something called 287 00:15:31,494 --> 00:15:34,294 Speaker 8: dh Gate. There's another one that I've heard of but 288 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:37,254 Speaker 8: don't know much about, called Taobao. A lot of them 289 00:15:37,254 --> 00:15:39,974 Speaker 8: are counterfeit goods, So yeah, probably wouldn't recommend it. 290 00:15:40,054 --> 00:15:42,054 Speaker 3: And obviously this has all come off the back of 291 00:15:42,174 --> 00:15:46,494 Speaker 3: the US China trade relationship or strange relationship, I should say. 292 00:15:46,494 --> 00:15:49,414 Speaker 3: They've been throwing back and forth these tariffs they've been 293 00:15:49,534 --> 00:15:51,334 Speaker 3: upping over the last couple of weeks. I think we're 294 00:15:51,374 --> 00:15:55,014 Speaker 3: currently sitting at one hundred and twenty five percent both ways. 295 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:59,174 Speaker 3: Is it likely to continue impacting this if they continue 296 00:15:59,494 --> 00:16:01,654 Speaker 3: exposing the luxury fashion industry. 297 00:16:01,974 --> 00:16:03,934 Speaker 8: I'd say we have a lot to go. Yeah, so 298 00:16:04,174 --> 00:16:06,374 Speaker 8: China has said it won't back down on its war 299 00:16:06,414 --> 00:16:09,774 Speaker 8: against Trump's tariffs. Trump seems pretty stuck in them mud 300 00:16:09,894 --> 00:16:12,254 Speaker 8: on his decision, so I think it's a bit of 301 00:16:12,254 --> 00:16:13,854 Speaker 8: a thing of waiting to see who blinks. 302 00:16:14,814 --> 00:16:16,854 Speaker 3: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 303 00:16:16,934 --> 00:16:19,494 Speaker 3: us today. The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano, 304 00:16:19,534 --> 00:16:22,854 Speaker 3: and Grace Rufree, with audio production by Lou Hill.