1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,024 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:25,944 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. 4 00:00:26,144 --> 00:00:28,704 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. 5 00:00:28,944 --> 00:00:30,944 Speaker 1: I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodney. 6 00:00:30,984 --> 00:00:31,784 Speaker 2: Happy Monday. 7 00:00:31,984 --> 00:00:34,144 Speaker 1: I'm actually feeling any I know, I'm never energized on 8 00:00:34,184 --> 00:00:35,664 Speaker 1: a Monday. But you and I have a big week 9 00:00:35,704 --> 00:00:37,864 Speaker 1: ahead of us. It's December now, It's the start of 10 00:00:37,944 --> 00:00:40,624 Speaker 1: party season. We have a party together every night this 11 00:00:40,704 --> 00:00:41,624 Speaker 1: weeking Are you ready? 12 00:00:41,664 --> 00:00:43,464 Speaker 2: Are you ready? If you cut me open right now, 13 00:00:43,624 --> 00:00:45,904 Speaker 2: just be hydrolytsing owly. 14 00:00:47,184 --> 00:00:49,544 Speaker 1: Maybe will save that for Thursday show, Cutting you open 15 00:00:49,544 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 1: all right? 16 00:00:50,384 --> 00:00:53,584 Speaker 2: On the show today, there are some controversies from Billiboard's 17 00:00:53,664 --> 00:00:57,104 Speaker 2: Top Pop Artist of the twenty first century, some expected, 18 00:00:57,224 --> 00:01:01,304 Speaker 2: but one definitely not place. We are talking about Apple Martin, 19 00:01:01,424 --> 00:01:04,024 Speaker 2: who's Gwyneth Paltrows and Chris Martin's daughter, and how she 20 00:01:04,104 --> 00:01:08,144 Speaker 2: made her debut at her first debut, but first, but first. 21 00:01:08,264 --> 00:01:10,824 Speaker 1: Ben Affleck is in the news over the last couple days, 22 00:01:10,824 --> 00:01:12,944 Speaker 1: and I want to read you my favorite headline from. 23 00:01:12,904 --> 00:01:14,744 Speaker 2: All the Oh the Dinner Times. 24 00:01:14,464 --> 00:01:17,944 Speaker 1: That I was doing about this man's recent behavior and activities. 25 00:01:18,224 --> 00:01:22,104 Speaker 1: So Ben Affleck reportedly felt blessed to spend Thanksgiving with 26 00:01:22,184 --> 00:01:25,184 Speaker 1: Jennifer Ghana amid Jennifer Lopez divorce. That's really all you 27 00:01:25,184 --> 00:01:28,304 Speaker 1: have to know. So a few days ago there were 28 00:01:28,344 --> 00:01:32,784 Speaker 1: photos of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Ghana seemingly hugging in 29 00:01:32,824 --> 00:01:34,584 Speaker 1: the street, but it's hard to tell with the photo. 30 00:01:34,584 --> 00:01:35,744 Speaker 1: He had his arm around her. 31 00:01:35,944 --> 00:01:37,464 Speaker 2: I thought that was an old photo. 32 00:01:37,944 --> 00:01:39,704 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, they do this all the time, 33 00:01:39,784 --> 00:01:41,624 Speaker 1: So there's some photos that are circuling that at all, 34 00:01:41,664 --> 00:01:44,704 Speaker 1: and there's one that's new because they're always together at 35 00:01:44,744 --> 00:01:47,144 Speaker 1: school pickup and drop off, they're always together at the 36 00:01:47,264 --> 00:01:50,744 Speaker 1: coper yeah, very closely, and so there's always pictures of 37 00:01:50,784 --> 00:01:53,824 Speaker 1: them together. There's pictures of them fighting outside their kids school. Recently, 38 00:01:53,824 --> 00:01:55,904 Speaker 1: there's photos of them hugging. So this wouldn't have been 39 00:01:56,384 --> 00:01:58,784 Speaker 1: like really big news except for the whole divorce from 40 00:01:58,864 --> 00:02:02,144 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez thing that's happening. So they also in the 41 00:02:02,224 --> 00:02:04,664 Speaker 1: lip to Thanksgiving where with their kids. See, these photos 42 00:02:04,664 --> 00:02:07,224 Speaker 1: didn't do the rounds quite as much. They were photographed 43 00:02:07,224 --> 00:02:11,024 Speaker 1: at an event called Midnight Missions charity campaign where them 44 00:02:11,064 --> 00:02:14,104 Speaker 1: and their three kids were helping to feed homeless individuals 45 00:02:14,104 --> 00:02:17,024 Speaker 1: in LA and then later on that day, Ben Affleck 46 00:02:17,144 --> 00:02:20,144 Speaker 1: was perhaped walking into Jennifer Gannah's house, presumably to spend 47 00:02:20,184 --> 00:02:22,944 Speaker 1: thanks Giving him in the kids. 48 00:02:24,264 --> 00:02:26,584 Speaker 2: Okay, can I admit something? Yeah, I didn't think i'd 49 00:02:26,584 --> 00:02:28,504 Speaker 2: admit I feel sorry for Ben Affleck. 50 00:02:29,064 --> 00:02:32,344 Speaker 1: Why he's doing Okay, he's a complicated man, just. 51 00:02:32,264 --> 00:02:35,464 Speaker 2: Like wanting to live his best life. Not really living 52 00:02:35,464 --> 00:02:37,064 Speaker 2: his best life, but like just trying to be a 53 00:02:37,064 --> 00:02:40,064 Speaker 2: family man. It's Thanksgiving, that's a big deal in America. 54 00:02:40,344 --> 00:02:43,184 Speaker 2: It's like families come together, they eat these massive meals. 55 00:02:43,344 --> 00:02:44,984 Speaker 2: I really want to be part of one. 56 00:02:44,744 --> 00:02:47,104 Speaker 1: Way, someone to invite him to Thanksgiving. 57 00:02:47,144 --> 00:02:49,744 Speaker 2: And it's not his fault that what his face conveys 58 00:02:49,864 --> 00:02:53,024 Speaker 2: is different to what is actually happening in his life. 59 00:02:53,064 --> 00:02:55,784 Speaker 2: So I feel like the main photo of them kind 60 00:02:55,824 --> 00:02:57,944 Speaker 2: of embracing as they're walking is the one that's been 61 00:02:57,944 --> 00:03:02,544 Speaker 2: making the round on Twitter, especially because she is an 62 00:03:02,544 --> 00:03:05,144 Speaker 2: ex and he's back together, which is similar to what 63 00:03:05,224 --> 00:03:08,584 Speaker 2: happened with j Lo. I have seen so many tweets 64 00:03:08,584 --> 00:03:12,344 Speaker 2: about this since Pop Culture posted about it. My favorite 65 00:03:12,384 --> 00:03:16,224 Speaker 2: one was I've never seen two hot women pass the 66 00:03:16,264 --> 00:03:18,664 Speaker 2: same hot man back and forth between each other for 67 00:03:18,704 --> 00:03:22,664 Speaker 2: twenty years like this, I mean so good. Someone also 68 00:03:22,744 --> 00:03:26,224 Speaker 2: posted the classic Ben Affleck no with the photoshop of 69 00:03:26,304 --> 00:03:27,784 Speaker 2: him and Pete Davidson. 70 00:03:28,064 --> 00:03:32,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been going around. 71 00:03:32,384 --> 00:03:34,824 Speaker 2: Pete Davidson can never get arrest. His love for the 72 00:03:34,904 --> 00:03:37,744 Speaker 2: name Jennifer needs to be studied in schools of higher learning. 73 00:03:38,144 --> 00:03:39,624 Speaker 2: I wish I was named Jennifer now. 74 00:03:39,584 --> 00:03:42,104 Speaker 1: I know that'd be you're in with Ben Affleck. I've 75 00:03:42,144 --> 00:03:44,024 Speaker 1: got to say that I absolutely do not think they 76 00:03:44,024 --> 00:03:46,544 Speaker 1: are getting back together again. This has been going on 77 00:03:46,664 --> 00:03:49,664 Speaker 1: for many, many years. It's just really heightened now because 78 00:03:49,704 --> 00:03:52,584 Speaker 1: of the breakup with him and Jennifer Lopez, but also 79 00:03:52,664 --> 00:03:56,064 Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner has had a long term boyfriend since twenty eighteen, 80 00:03:56,184 --> 00:03:58,544 Speaker 1: John Miller. That's still again well as far I know. 81 00:03:58,584 --> 00:04:00,424 Speaker 1: The thing is, we wouldn't really know if they've broken 82 00:04:00,504 --> 00:04:02,984 Speaker 1: up because they are not a very public couple, and 83 00:04:03,064 --> 00:04:05,984 Speaker 1: so they've never one hundred percent confirmed there together. It's 84 00:04:06,064 --> 00:04:08,704 Speaker 1: just like, you know, they'd be photographed together. She's kind 85 00:04:08,744 --> 00:04:11,064 Speaker 1: of lightly referred to him, you know, over the years, 86 00:04:11,104 --> 00:04:12,984 Speaker 1: but it's a known thing that they've been in a 87 00:04:13,024 --> 00:04:18,344 Speaker 1: relationship since twenty eighteen. So I say he's always. 88 00:04:18,104 --> 00:04:20,264 Speaker 2: Around Thanksgiving photos. 89 00:04:20,304 --> 00:04:23,104 Speaker 1: He probably is, he just doesn't get like he just 90 00:04:23,144 --> 00:04:26,024 Speaker 1: cropped out. And I also think that Jennifer Ganna is 91 00:04:26,104 --> 00:04:27,624 Speaker 1: just like, I don't know. I feel like she has 92 00:04:27,664 --> 00:04:30,544 Speaker 1: this thing with Ben Affleck where she obviously has to 93 00:04:30,624 --> 00:04:33,024 Speaker 1: spend through a lot with him so much. Those photos 94 00:04:33,024 --> 00:04:35,704 Speaker 1: of her driving him to rehab and like passing him 95 00:04:35,704 --> 00:04:37,624 Speaker 1: food in the back and it's like determined look on 96 00:04:37,664 --> 00:04:40,624 Speaker 1: her face, and photos of her like having fights with 97 00:04:40,704 --> 00:04:42,424 Speaker 1: him outside the kid's school. We've been tired to know 98 00:04:42,464 --> 00:04:45,184 Speaker 1: what they're fighting about, but very tense conversations. Photos of 99 00:04:45,224 --> 00:04:47,624 Speaker 1: her like walking into buildings with him with her arm 100 00:04:47,664 --> 00:04:50,504 Speaker 1: around him, like she's really almost had to be his caretaker. 101 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:52,784 Speaker 1: It feels like over the years, and I really just 102 00:04:52,824 --> 00:04:55,344 Speaker 1: think she's over that. She was on this podcast recently 103 00:04:55,384 --> 00:04:58,264 Speaker 1: called Lipstick on the Rim and they were asking her 104 00:04:58,384 --> 00:05:01,904 Speaker 1: about her two ex husbands, so Scott Foley and Ben Affleck, 105 00:05:01,984 --> 00:05:03,784 Speaker 1: and she was like, the only thing I'll say is 106 00:05:03,824 --> 00:05:06,184 Speaker 1: that don't go into a marriage thinking you can change 107 00:05:06,184 --> 00:05:08,544 Speaker 1: a man, because you can't. I think it's very telling. 108 00:05:08,624 --> 00:05:10,624 Speaker 1: So that woman is not around for this bullsh like 109 00:05:10,664 --> 00:05:12,544 Speaker 1: he's the father of her kids. It seems they have 110 00:05:12,584 --> 00:05:15,064 Speaker 1: a good relationship. It seems like they also have a 111 00:05:15,064 --> 00:05:17,704 Speaker 1: good relationship with Jennifer Lopez and her kids. Yeah, like 112 00:05:17,824 --> 00:05:22,344 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez's sister went and visited Ben Affleck and Jennifer 113 00:05:22,384 --> 00:05:25,624 Speaker 1: Ganna's oldest daughter, Violet at college, and there's Violet posted 114 00:05:25,664 --> 00:05:29,464 Speaker 1: photos of them smiling together, like they're very intertwined family. 115 00:05:29,744 --> 00:05:31,864 Speaker 1: That's nice and sad. Ben Affleck's just in the middle 116 00:05:31,904 --> 00:05:35,264 Speaker 1: of it all, Nana. 117 00:05:35,384 --> 00:05:39,984 Speaker 2: So Billboard thought they would do something fun for the girls. 118 00:05:40,464 --> 00:05:43,984 Speaker 2: That's what they thought. They decided over the weekend to 119 00:05:44,064 --> 00:05:47,744 Speaker 2: post the greatest pop Stars of the twenty first century. 120 00:05:48,104 --> 00:05:50,944 Speaker 2: So their reasoning is, it's twenty twenty five next year, 121 00:05:51,144 --> 00:05:53,944 Speaker 2: where like a quarterway through to the twenty first century. 122 00:05:54,344 --> 00:05:57,104 Speaker 2: Let's give us staff something to do something fun. So 123 00:05:57,184 --> 00:05:59,824 Speaker 2: they got their staff together, they were like, hey, we're 124 00:05:59,824 --> 00:06:02,544 Speaker 2: gonna release a top twenty five artist of the twenty 125 00:06:02,544 --> 00:06:04,864 Speaker 2: first century pop artist that we think are the best. 126 00:06:06,104 --> 00:06:10,344 Speaker 2: Society took this very very seriously, so what they thought 127 00:06:10,464 --> 00:06:14,504 Speaker 2: was going to be lighthearted fun soon went absolutely downwards 128 00:06:14,504 --> 00:06:19,144 Speaker 2: for them. There were three main controversies that came into 129 00:06:19,224 --> 00:06:21,784 Speaker 2: this whole expose of this list, And I am going 130 00:06:21,824 --> 00:06:23,344 Speaker 2: to call them expose because that's what it was a 131 00:06:23,384 --> 00:06:25,864 Speaker 2: lot that one of the ones which came on quite 132 00:06:25,904 --> 00:06:28,264 Speaker 2: early on as they were releasing the list, So what 133 00:06:28,264 --> 00:06:31,664 Speaker 2: they were doing was releasing artists by artists. Katy Perry 134 00:06:31,744 --> 00:06:33,424 Speaker 2: was lost at twenty five. 135 00:06:33,984 --> 00:06:35,304 Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, 136 00:06:35,624 --> 00:06:37,384 Speaker 1: the thing is about this before you get into the 137 00:06:37,424 --> 00:06:40,424 Speaker 1: whole list, which I am very interested in. The Whole 138 00:06:40,464 --> 00:06:43,144 Speaker 1: reason they did it was to get people. It's for engagement. 139 00:06:43,184 --> 00:06:46,224 Speaker 1: It's to get people talking, arguing, disagreeing. That's why you 140 00:06:46,264 --> 00:06:47,864 Speaker 1: put an ata lists like this, and why you do 141 00:06:47,984 --> 00:06:50,664 Speaker 1: a weekly drop like they've been doing, to get people 142 00:06:50,704 --> 00:06:52,984 Speaker 1: to keep coming back and looking and looking waiting for 143 00:06:53,024 --> 00:06:53,984 Speaker 1: the ready period eight. 144 00:06:53,984 --> 00:06:55,944 Speaker 2: But they were like, would anyone say anything about that? 145 00:06:56,064 --> 00:06:58,104 Speaker 1: Now? Yeah, you know, as we know in the media industry, 146 00:06:58,104 --> 00:07:00,064 Speaker 1: how these things work is that it would have been 147 00:07:00,064 --> 00:07:02,584 Speaker 1: a bunch of people in a room brainstorming. It's just 148 00:07:02,624 --> 00:07:04,744 Speaker 1: their different sort of opinions and ideas. It's not like 149 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:07,744 Speaker 1: they're it's not a data back to me, yes exactly. 150 00:07:07,784 --> 00:07:10,144 Speaker 1: I know they have brought in like sales and tours 151 00:07:10,144 --> 00:07:11,464 Speaker 1: and that sort of stuff, but at the end of 152 00:07:11,504 --> 00:07:14,344 Speaker 1: the day, you can't really quantify one artist's impression against 153 00:07:14,344 --> 00:07:16,984 Speaker 1: each other in a list that's completely ranked, and so 154 00:07:17,144 --> 00:07:18,864 Speaker 1: a lot of it would be to do with getting 155 00:07:18,864 --> 00:07:22,184 Speaker 1: people's fandoms. Involved getting people upset and shocked, and that's 156 00:07:22,224 --> 00:07:23,864 Speaker 1: how you create discourse and that's how you get people 157 00:07:23,904 --> 00:07:25,304 Speaker 1: to click on your website. So they did a great 158 00:07:25,384 --> 00:07:25,744 Speaker 1: job in that. 159 00:07:25,864 --> 00:07:27,664 Speaker 2: They did a great job in there. They fell in 160 00:07:27,704 --> 00:07:30,664 Speaker 2: some other areas. So besides Katy Perry, some of the 161 00:07:30,704 --> 00:07:33,784 Speaker 2: other controversies was that they included a lot of rappers 162 00:07:33,824 --> 00:07:37,944 Speaker 2: in the list, which was argued that why would rappers 163 00:07:37,944 --> 00:07:40,144 Speaker 2: be included in here? This is meant to be pop artists, 164 00:07:40,184 --> 00:07:42,824 Speaker 2: So like Eminem Kanye West of making it in the 165 00:07:42,824 --> 00:07:45,744 Speaker 2: top ten, Tina Burke did an article on Mom and 166 00:07:45,824 --> 00:07:48,984 Speaker 2: mea which this line literally made me laugh out loud. 167 00:07:49,024 --> 00:07:52,504 Speaker 2: It was so funny, she said. Lady Gaga, a genuine 168 00:07:52,744 --> 00:07:55,184 Speaker 2: icon of the industry with some of the biggest and 169 00:07:55,224 --> 00:07:59,424 Speaker 2: most influential music of the century, came in fifth, behind Drake, 170 00:07:59,584 --> 00:08:00,664 Speaker 2: who was somehow fourth. 171 00:08:01,864 --> 00:08:03,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a real issue with that. Again, it's 172 00:08:03,784 --> 00:08:06,184 Speaker 1: being done to get people upset. But at the same time, 173 00:08:06,424 --> 00:08:08,984 Speaker 1: Lady darg it was our fourth. I think he can 174 00:08:09,024 --> 00:08:10,544 Speaker 1: be on the list, but he should be wee down 175 00:08:10,584 --> 00:08:12,984 Speaker 1: the bottom and Lady Gaga should be way further up 176 00:08:13,024 --> 00:08:15,544 Speaker 1: with how much that woman has like changed pop culture 177 00:08:15,544 --> 00:08:16,704 Speaker 1: and how like iconic she is. 178 00:08:16,864 --> 00:08:18,944 Speaker 2: Agreed, and a lot of people on Twitter also. 179 00:08:18,784 --> 00:08:22,584 Speaker 1: Oh no, we're feeding into exactly what conversation about it. 180 00:08:22,904 --> 00:08:28,224 Speaker 2: Another huge controversy was the Beehive against the Swifties, so 181 00:08:28,384 --> 00:08:32,024 Speaker 2: Taylor's oldest time. Beyonce and Taylor Swift were competing. I 182 00:08:32,024 --> 00:08:34,504 Speaker 2: mean probably both others had no idea this was happening 183 00:08:35,064 --> 00:08:36,904 Speaker 2: while this was going on, but they were both competing 184 00:08:36,984 --> 00:08:40,264 Speaker 2: for the number one and two spot. Beyonce got number one, 185 00:08:40,344 --> 00:08:43,504 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift got number two. Blah blah blah. Everyone is 186 00:08:43,624 --> 00:08:44,904 Speaker 2: very very upset. 187 00:08:45,224 --> 00:08:47,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it has to be that way, 188 00:08:47,584 --> 00:08:50,064 Speaker 1: right because even like if Taylor Swift was number one 189 00:08:50,104 --> 00:08:52,104 Speaker 1: over Beyonce, it's like the thing in the music industry 190 00:08:52,104 --> 00:08:54,504 Speaker 1: you never put yourself above Beyonce, no matter what's happening 191 00:08:54,544 --> 00:08:56,424 Speaker 1: or what kind of a year you're both having. And 192 00:08:56,464 --> 00:08:58,624 Speaker 1: so that's when even she would have stepped in. It's 193 00:08:58,624 --> 00:09:01,024 Speaker 1: like how everyone has to thank Beyonce the Grammys, which 194 00:09:01,024 --> 00:09:02,464 Speaker 1: I think is a genuine thing, because I think she 195 00:09:02,464 --> 00:09:04,424 Speaker 1: has influenced a lot of people's music. But it's this 196 00:09:04,464 --> 00:09:06,544 Speaker 1: thing of like you don't step before the Queen. I 197 00:09:06,584 --> 00:09:11,424 Speaker 1: think Beyonce every day in my daily yea exactly. However, 198 00:09:11,824 --> 00:09:12,544 Speaker 1: mm hmmm. 199 00:09:12,584 --> 00:09:16,624 Speaker 2: Something turned because suddenly the Beyonce fans as well as 200 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:19,344 Speaker 2: the Ayana fans, as well as the Selena fans were 201 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:24,664 Speaker 2: all on Taylor Swift's side because a very big controversial 202 00:09:24,704 --> 00:09:28,824 Speaker 2: thing happened that Billiboard was not prepared for happened. So 203 00:09:28,944 --> 00:09:31,624 Speaker 2: while they were announcing the top artists, they were also 204 00:09:31,704 --> 00:09:34,824 Speaker 2: releasing like these fun graphics, these little like videos to 205 00:09:34,904 --> 00:09:38,464 Speaker 2: celebrate these big artists. When Taylor Swift was announced as 206 00:09:38,664 --> 00:09:42,504 Speaker 2: the second person, they had this huge celebration video that 207 00:09:42,544 --> 00:09:46,504 Speaker 2: Billboard posted across their socials. And there was a photo 208 00:09:46,544 --> 00:09:52,064 Speaker 2: in that video which was the infamous photo of Taylor Swift, 209 00:09:52,184 --> 00:09:54,464 Speaker 2: like a replica of Taylor Swift that we was shown 210 00:09:54,504 --> 00:09:58,784 Speaker 2: in Kanye West music video Famous. And this photo has 211 00:09:58,864 --> 00:10:02,424 Speaker 2: been dubbed as revenge porn. It's that photo everyone would 212 00:10:02,424 --> 00:10:05,304 Speaker 2: have seen it of like these like famous celebrities naked 213 00:10:05,464 --> 00:10:08,544 Speaker 2: in bed. It was also the photo that reignited the 214 00:10:08,584 --> 00:10:12,944 Speaker 2: feud between Taylor Swift Kanye West, and that like reignited 215 00:10:13,024 --> 00:10:15,744 Speaker 2: the hatred that she had across social media. She's spoken 216 00:10:15,784 --> 00:10:18,704 Speaker 2: openly about the mental health after that, how everyone just 217 00:10:18,744 --> 00:10:20,784 Speaker 2: pretty much wanted like were saying like she wanted to 218 00:10:20,784 --> 00:10:24,784 Speaker 2: die or likening her to snakes and liars, and then 219 00:10:24,784 --> 00:10:28,264 Speaker 2: she had like a whole reputation album. So the fact 220 00:10:28,264 --> 00:10:33,264 Speaker 2: that Billboard included that specific photo in a celebration video 221 00:10:33,384 --> 00:10:36,624 Speaker 2: of her being the second top pop artist did not 222 00:10:36,744 --> 00:10:37,104 Speaker 2: go down. 223 00:10:37,104 --> 00:10:38,944 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean that is that is a huge 224 00:10:38,984 --> 00:10:40,584 Speaker 1: mistake and a lot of the things I think they 225 00:10:40,624 --> 00:10:43,064 Speaker 1: have done to sort of get publicity and to get 226 00:10:43,104 --> 00:10:45,544 Speaker 1: eyes on these lists, but I think this feels like 227 00:10:45,584 --> 00:10:47,264 Speaker 1: a genuine mistake and I want to rag them too 228 00:10:47,344 --> 00:10:49,304 Speaker 1: much because everyone makes mistakes, but like Jesus, what a 229 00:10:49,304 --> 00:10:51,384 Speaker 1: bad day at work to put that clip in there. 230 00:10:51,384 --> 00:10:53,584 Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of people who have taken different 231 00:10:53,624 --> 00:10:56,744 Speaker 1: sides over the Kanye and Kim versus Taylor Swift situation. 232 00:10:57,024 --> 00:10:58,824 Speaker 1: But I think one thing a lot of people agreed 233 00:10:58,824 --> 00:11:01,304 Speaker 1: on is that that naked wax figure of her in 234 00:11:01,344 --> 00:11:03,424 Speaker 1: the song, because what happened if you I'm sure everyone's 235 00:11:03,424 --> 00:11:06,984 Speaker 1: across but after he jumped on stage and took her moment. 236 00:11:07,144 --> 00:11:09,824 Speaker 1: At the VMA's they started sort of mending things behind 237 00:11:09,824 --> 00:11:13,064 Speaker 1: the scenes, and he said that he got her permission 238 00:11:13,184 --> 00:11:16,264 Speaker 1: for the lyrics of his song Famous and to say 239 00:11:16,304 --> 00:11:18,184 Speaker 1: like I think Taylor and I might still have sex. 240 00:11:18,584 --> 00:11:21,024 Speaker 1: And when the song came out, it had all these 241 00:11:21,024 --> 00:11:24,024 Speaker 1: other lyrics including like I made that bitch famous, And 242 00:11:24,064 --> 00:11:26,264 Speaker 1: then Taylor Swift got her team to release a statement 243 00:11:26,344 --> 00:11:30,064 Speaker 1: saying that she had cautioned him against using those lyrics. Then, 244 00:11:30,104 --> 00:11:32,744 Speaker 1: of course, Kim released a call that she had taped 245 00:11:32,824 --> 00:11:34,864 Speaker 1: that Taylor's knowledge on a snap where yeah, on a 246 00:11:34,904 --> 00:11:37,744 Speaker 1: subject I don't know retro where it looked like Taylor 247 00:11:37,864 --> 00:11:40,024 Speaker 1: was agreeing to it all. Taylor came out and said 248 00:11:40,024 --> 00:11:42,504 Speaker 1: the video was docted. Later on, a full clipper was 249 00:11:42,544 --> 00:11:45,024 Speaker 1: released that show that, like suparts of the conversation had 250 00:11:45,064 --> 00:11:48,344 Speaker 1: been missing. But in this twenty sixteen video clip, there's 251 00:11:48,344 --> 00:11:51,464 Speaker 1: a wax naked figure of Taylor Swift in the midst 252 00:11:51,464 --> 00:11:54,144 Speaker 1: of a bunch of whole other naked celebrity figures. So 253 00:11:54,224 --> 00:11:57,024 Speaker 1: you had Rihanna Chris Brown, which the fact that Riann 254 00:11:57,024 --> 00:11:59,304 Speaker 1: and Chris Brown are next to each other after he 255 00:11:59,384 --> 00:12:03,064 Speaker 1: beat her is just also quite sickening. Kim Kardashian's in there, 256 00:12:03,104 --> 00:12:04,464 Speaker 1: That's fine, she was involved in it. 257 00:12:04,584 --> 00:12:08,424 Speaker 2: She wants to taking photo like selfie's with yeah wax figures. 258 00:12:08,104 --> 00:12:10,864 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's in there. It's just like, yeah, yeah, it's 259 00:12:11,104 --> 00:12:13,464 Speaker 1: they're really upsetting photos. And so people were upset about 260 00:12:13,464 --> 00:12:15,504 Speaker 1: the time. And it's the one thing that you can 261 00:12:15,504 --> 00:12:17,544 Speaker 1: tell that out of all the controversies that have been 262 00:12:17,544 --> 00:12:19,424 Speaker 1: around Taylor's with that she holds on to the most 263 00:12:19,464 --> 00:12:21,544 Speaker 1: because rememb when she had that Time magazine Time Person 264 00:12:21,584 --> 00:12:24,784 Speaker 1: of the Year cover and her whole brand is not 265 00:12:24,784 --> 00:12:28,184 Speaker 1: speaking ill of people, like outrightly and not getting involved 266 00:12:28,224 --> 00:12:30,064 Speaker 1: in like that level of drama and just having her 267 00:12:30,064 --> 00:12:32,224 Speaker 1: eat stags and her music. And then in that article 268 00:12:32,264 --> 00:12:34,904 Speaker 1: she talked about Kim Kardashian and said the trash always 269 00:12:34,904 --> 00:12:35,784 Speaker 1: takes itself out. 270 00:12:36,984 --> 00:12:38,024 Speaker 2: I forgot about that. 271 00:12:38,184 --> 00:12:41,224 Speaker 1: Oh it's like she's so angry, which I understand. I understand. 272 00:12:41,424 --> 00:12:43,384 Speaker 1: So I think that would have been especially cutting to 273 00:12:43,424 --> 00:12:45,424 Speaker 1: have that moment, and not that I think she was 274 00:12:45,424 --> 00:12:47,784 Speaker 1: waiting for the Billboard, Like I don't think Taylor's is 275 00:12:47,824 --> 00:12:50,144 Speaker 1: waiting for her tribute video to drop on Billboard. But 276 00:12:50,624 --> 00:12:51,424 Speaker 1: and I don't think. 277 00:12:51,304 --> 00:12:54,144 Speaker 2: She'll make a statement because I feel like everyone said 278 00:12:54,184 --> 00:12:58,064 Speaker 2: it for her, Like everyone's so visibly upset about the video. 279 00:12:58,704 --> 00:13:02,744 Speaker 2: Hashtag trending Billboard is over party. Also, people are starting 280 00:13:02,784 --> 00:13:05,664 Speaker 2: to like dig deeper, and they're starting to also call 281 00:13:05,704 --> 00:13:10,224 Speaker 2: out the way Billboard like writes their bios about female artists. 282 00:13:10,504 --> 00:13:15,144 Speaker 2: They mention someone said Taylor Swift's career, Chris Brown's violins 283 00:13:15,184 --> 00:13:18,344 Speaker 2: in an article about Rihanna bringing out Britney Spears conservativeship 284 00:13:18,344 --> 00:13:22,104 Speaker 2: abuse is misogynistic, which is like, now that people are 285 00:13:22,104 --> 00:13:24,704 Speaker 2: digging deeper, it just feels like one of those controversies 286 00:13:24,704 --> 00:13:26,864 Speaker 2: that has to get bigger before it blows over. 287 00:13:27,184 --> 00:13:29,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think what's happened is they're trying to 288 00:13:29,104 --> 00:13:31,944 Speaker 1: do these deep dives on these famous pop stars and 289 00:13:31,984 --> 00:13:34,904 Speaker 1: obviously including it's like a full Wikipedia page, yeah, and 290 00:13:34,904 --> 00:13:37,824 Speaker 1: including the controversies or bad things have happened in their career. 291 00:13:37,824 --> 00:13:39,104 Speaker 1: It's like, if it's a deep dive, you need to 292 00:13:39,104 --> 00:13:40,664 Speaker 1: put that in there. But it wasn't shaped as a 293 00:13:40,664 --> 00:13:42,744 Speaker 1: deep dive. It's shaped as a tribute. So it's strange 294 00:13:42,784 --> 00:13:44,584 Speaker 1: had they're there, but bill Board they took the video down. 295 00:13:44,624 --> 00:13:47,784 Speaker 2: They apologized, right, Yeah, they put out a statement that said, 296 00:13:48,024 --> 00:13:50,064 Speaker 2: we are deeply sorry to Taylor Swift and all of 297 00:13:50,104 --> 00:13:53,184 Speaker 2: our readers and viewers that the video celebrating Swift's achievements 298 00:13:53,224 --> 00:13:55,864 Speaker 2: we included a clip that falsely depicted her. We have 299 00:13:55,944 --> 00:13:58,624 Speaker 2: removed the clip from our video and seceirely regret the 300 00:13:58,664 --> 00:14:02,024 Speaker 2: harm we caused with this error. This happened like several 301 00:14:02,144 --> 00:14:03,024 Speaker 2: hours after this. 302 00:14:03,224 --> 00:14:05,344 Speaker 1: Yes, look, that was definitely a bad day in the 303 00:14:05,384 --> 00:14:07,424 Speaker 1: office for someone, But I think like it was kind 304 00:14:07,424 --> 00:14:10,664 Speaker 1: of nice seeing all the different fandoms because beyond beyond 305 00:14:10,904 --> 00:14:13,704 Speaker 1: tell us a fandom people they hate each other, but like, honestly, 306 00:14:13,744 --> 00:14:15,544 Speaker 1: you get those two groups of people together, that's the 307 00:14:15,544 --> 00:14:17,544 Speaker 1: most powerful group in the whole world. I would be 308 00:14:17,664 --> 00:14:18,384 Speaker 1: terrified of them. 309 00:14:18,664 --> 00:14:21,664 Speaker 2: Well, if you want the full explainer of this, we 310 00:14:21,744 --> 00:14:23,904 Speaker 2: were linked Tina Burke's piece in the show notes it 311 00:14:23,944 --> 00:14:24,984 Speaker 2: is absolutely brilliant. 312 00:14:25,464 --> 00:14:25,704 Speaker 1: Nana. 313 00:14:26,784 --> 00:14:32,224 Speaker 2: So, I was doom scrolling on Twitter last night and 314 00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:35,624 Speaker 2: I came across this headline that said best dressed Stars 315 00:14:35,664 --> 00:14:39,824 Speaker 2: and Socialites at the Deputape Ball twenty twenty four and 316 00:14:39,864 --> 00:14:42,744 Speaker 2: I clicked into it. And starring in this article was 317 00:14:42,784 --> 00:14:46,224 Speaker 2: Apple Martin, who is the daughter of Gwyne Palchow and 318 00:14:46,304 --> 00:14:49,344 Speaker 2: Chris Martin. I saw a video of her dancing with 319 00:14:49,464 --> 00:14:51,304 Speaker 2: Chris and I was like, oh, this must be like 320 00:14:51,344 --> 00:14:54,064 Speaker 2: her prom, this must be her formal And then I 321 00:14:54,064 --> 00:14:57,984 Speaker 2: saw some more photos of these young, gorgeous women in 322 00:14:58,024 --> 00:15:02,184 Speaker 2: these massive ball gowns. I read that Apple Martin's date 323 00:15:02,384 --> 00:15:05,144 Speaker 2: was a count. I didn't know accounts could get that young. 324 00:15:05,504 --> 00:15:09,184 Speaker 2: I saw some earls, I saw some royalty and I 325 00:15:09,224 --> 00:15:13,744 Speaker 2: saw some insta famous women. What in the bridget in 326 00:15:13,904 --> 00:15:17,504 Speaker 2: fresh mel Am I looking at it felt like a 327 00:15:17,544 --> 00:15:19,504 Speaker 2: fever dream. I had to wake up and double check 328 00:15:19,544 --> 00:15:20,624 Speaker 2: that what I read was correct. 329 00:15:20,624 --> 00:15:22,264 Speaker 1: Oh no, this is the thing that rich and famous 330 00:15:22,264 --> 00:15:24,184 Speaker 1: people do. You and I are just not across this 331 00:15:24,264 --> 00:15:25,984 Speaker 1: whole world. I mean, like people I grew up with 332 00:15:26,744 --> 00:15:29,824 Speaker 1: what to understand, what's going on. Debutante balls are still 333 00:15:29,864 --> 00:15:32,224 Speaker 1: a huge thing in Australia. I'm pretty sure I haven't. 334 00:15:32,384 --> 00:15:34,544 Speaker 2: I know, it's like a big thing in Melbourne, a 335 00:15:34,544 --> 00:15:35,384 Speaker 2: lot of my Melbourne. 336 00:15:35,904 --> 00:15:38,904 Speaker 1: In Queensland as well. It's a big thing in towns 337 00:15:39,264 --> 00:15:41,664 Speaker 1: and and Berticue. No No I didn't have one. I 338 00:15:41,664 --> 00:15:44,024 Speaker 1: didn't have one. No, it's too expensive. My mum couldn't 339 00:15:44,024 --> 00:15:46,264 Speaker 1: have afforded that with four kids to pay. Yeah, you've 340 00:15:46,264 --> 00:15:50,704 Speaker 1: got it to debut well society so you can get 341 00:15:50,704 --> 00:15:53,184 Speaker 1: a husband, you can see how many cows to trade 342 00:15:53,184 --> 00:15:55,024 Speaker 1: you for. No, No, that was quite mean, and me to say, 343 00:15:55,224 --> 00:15:57,184 Speaker 1: I think the tradition now is very much that it's 344 00:15:57,224 --> 00:15:58,984 Speaker 1: just like it's like a graduation almost like you get 345 00:15:58,984 --> 00:16:00,744 Speaker 1: to have a moment where you're up on stage and 346 00:16:00,784 --> 00:16:02,704 Speaker 1: you are a pretty dress and your family comes to 347 00:16:02,704 --> 00:16:04,544 Speaker 1: see you and all that sort of stuff. No, I 348 00:16:04,544 --> 00:16:06,264 Speaker 1: didn't have one, but I just know that there's still 349 00:16:06,344 --> 00:16:09,344 Speaker 1: quite a big deal in in North Queensland and Melbourne. 350 00:16:09,424 --> 00:16:10,984 Speaker 1: Is just saying but that's not we're seeing here with 351 00:16:11,064 --> 00:16:14,504 Speaker 1: these coming out debutante balls that are held in Paris 352 00:16:14,544 --> 00:16:17,904 Speaker 1: each year, and they're very much for people of very 353 00:16:17,944 --> 00:16:20,584 Speaker 1: famous families, people with a lot of money. I think 354 00:16:20,584 --> 00:16:22,384 Speaker 1: for a long time you had to sort of have like, 355 00:16:22,464 --> 00:16:25,024 Speaker 1: you know, a heritage, a lineage there. But I think 356 00:16:25,064 --> 00:16:27,144 Speaker 1: now they're just you know, given how society is going there, 357 00:16:27,224 --> 00:16:28,144 Speaker 1: let some new money in there. 358 00:16:28,184 --> 00:16:31,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they probably need donations. So Gwenn, it's like, yeah, 359 00:16:31,784 --> 00:16:34,944 Speaker 2: let my daughter in Au we've sold like three Goop candles, 360 00:16:34,944 --> 00:16:38,064 Speaker 2: were good for it. Yeah, So as you said, This 361 00:16:38,104 --> 00:16:42,704 Speaker 2: particular one is in France. Yes, it's called La beal 362 00:16:43,984 --> 00:16:44,584 Speaker 2: de Button. 363 00:16:45,264 --> 00:16:47,464 Speaker 1: That was beautiful. Thank you, apologized any French people who 364 00:16:47,504 --> 00:16:50,064 Speaker 1: were listening to that. The reason that I didn't find 365 00:16:50,104 --> 00:16:52,224 Speaker 1: this quite shocking is that there has been a very 366 00:16:52,224 --> 00:16:55,304 Speaker 1: long tradition of Hollywood women going over to France and 367 00:16:55,344 --> 00:16:57,904 Speaker 1: being part of these coming out balls. It first came 368 00:16:57,944 --> 00:17:00,184 Speaker 1: to my attention on did you watch The Hills? 369 00:17:00,784 --> 00:17:01,104 Speaker 2: I did. 370 00:17:01,384 --> 00:17:03,224 Speaker 1: This was a huge storyline in the Hills, but they 371 00:17:03,224 --> 00:17:05,144 Speaker 1: didn't go to this fancy ball besse. I don't think 372 00:17:05,184 --> 00:17:07,904 Speaker 1: that teen Vogue and MTV were alied to film in there. 373 00:17:08,104 --> 00:17:11,624 Speaker 1: But there's a storyline where Whitney Paul and Lauren Conrad, 374 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:14,024 Speaker 1: who they're working with teen Vogue, they fly over to 375 00:17:14,064 --> 00:17:15,944 Speaker 1: Paris to help out at this ball because there's so 376 00:17:16,024 --> 00:17:19,304 Speaker 1: many like American socialites at this thing called the Krimlin Ball, 377 00:17:19,344 --> 00:17:21,584 Speaker 1: which I think might be the slightly poor man's version 378 00:17:21,624 --> 00:17:23,984 Speaker 1: of this one, but was still very fancy. It's a 379 00:17:23,984 --> 00:17:25,624 Speaker 1: whole thing where they have to go get ball dressers, 380 00:17:25,664 --> 00:17:27,464 Speaker 1: and then Lauren wears hers out on a date. She 381 00:17:27,464 --> 00:17:29,504 Speaker 1: accidentally burns on the curling eye and they have to 382 00:17:29,544 --> 00:17:31,624 Speaker 1: like go and get a new dress at the last minute. 383 00:17:31,744 --> 00:17:34,584 Speaker 2: Sound heactic I saw the hole that sh that Apple's 384 00:17:34,704 --> 00:17:37,864 Speaker 2: dress took seven hundred and fifty hours of work. 385 00:17:38,104 --> 00:17:41,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a beautiful blue Valentino gown. And like Gweeth 386 00:17:41,224 --> 00:17:44,344 Speaker 1: Paltrow's there and she's in a beautiful gown. Moses Martin 387 00:17:44,464 --> 00:17:46,384 Speaker 1: is there, her son, her mumb life Doanner. It's a 388 00:17:46,384 --> 00:17:49,064 Speaker 1: whole family, a family. This is a thing. So Ryan 389 00:17:49,144 --> 00:17:52,504 Speaker 1: Philippi and Reese with the Spoon's daughter Ava Philippi also 390 00:17:52,664 --> 00:17:55,144 Speaker 1: attended this ball a few years ago in like your 391 00:17:55,264 --> 00:17:57,224 Speaker 1: very opulent gown, and it was a whole big thing 392 00:17:57,264 --> 00:17:59,704 Speaker 1: of her coming out into society because of her rich parents. 393 00:17:59,944 --> 00:18:05,064 Speaker 1: Margaret Quality diaries, but it is very Bridgitan like oh yeah, yeah, 394 00:18:05,064 --> 00:18:06,984 Speaker 1: like you have a escort. Also, it's kind of like 395 00:18:07,064 --> 00:18:08,944 Speaker 1: old money meets new money as well, because you have 396 00:18:08,984 --> 00:18:11,344 Speaker 1: like Margaret Quality, who's like mother is Andy McDowell, like 397 00:18:11,384 --> 00:18:13,704 Speaker 1: an actress, and then you also have like Kitty Spencer, 398 00:18:13,904 --> 00:18:16,384 Speaker 1: who is Princess Diana's niece, and like a lot of 399 00:18:16,784 --> 00:18:19,384 Speaker 1: Kitty Spencer's, Like I guess pretty much all the royal 400 00:18:19,464 --> 00:18:21,864 Speaker 1: family come to these balls as well, and all like 401 00:18:21,864 --> 00:18:24,304 Speaker 1: the aristocracy along with the children. 402 00:18:24,344 --> 00:18:26,064 Speaker 2: I will give you an invite to the royal wedding 403 00:18:26,104 --> 00:18:27,944 Speaker 2: if you give me an invite to Hollywood. 404 00:18:28,144 --> 00:18:30,144 Speaker 1: Yes, and then then they So you have the children 405 00:18:30,144 --> 00:18:33,624 Speaker 1: of these like old money royalty families mixed in with 406 00:18:33,664 --> 00:18:36,344 Speaker 1: the children of celebrities and like people who own like 407 00:18:36,384 --> 00:18:40,144 Speaker 1: tech companies and stuff like that. And I know, and 408 00:18:40,184 --> 00:18:41,624 Speaker 1: it's all they're probably like I can't believe let the 409 00:18:41,664 --> 00:18:44,824 Speaker 1: refraff of apple bartment. But you know her parents are 410 00:18:44,864 --> 00:18:45,624 Speaker 1: like footing the bill. 411 00:18:46,344 --> 00:18:47,824 Speaker 2: They're probably performing there as well. 412 00:18:48,224 --> 00:18:50,544 Speaker 1: Did you see the stories about Apple Martin being a 413 00:18:50,584 --> 00:18:51,064 Speaker 1: mean girl? 414 00:18:51,784 --> 00:18:52,904 Speaker 2: Is she a mean girl? Well? 415 00:18:52,944 --> 00:18:54,784 Speaker 1: I don't. Ok Now, I'm not selling that room here, 416 00:18:54,784 --> 00:18:56,384 Speaker 1: but can I just read you what I was. I 417 00:18:56,424 --> 00:18:58,664 Speaker 1: was reading these like I was reading these like accounts 418 00:18:58,704 --> 00:19:01,744 Speaker 1: from people who are apparently like inside the event. Also 419 00:19:02,064 --> 00:19:03,384 Speaker 1: there were heaps of video shares. 420 00:19:03,424 --> 00:19:05,504 Speaker 2: But she was a mean girl at the debutante. Yeah, 421 00:19:05,704 --> 00:19:06,464 Speaker 2: oh my god. 422 00:19:07,184 --> 00:19:09,584 Speaker 1: So the story is going around and it says the 423 00:19:09,704 --> 00:19:11,784 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt you diversity student, that's Apple. 424 00:19:11,944 --> 00:19:14,544 Speaker 2: This sounds Do you need to read this in like 425 00:19:14,744 --> 00:19:17,024 Speaker 2: christ and Bell's Gossip Girl Boy, I don't know if 426 00:19:17,064 --> 00:19:17,784 Speaker 2: I can quite do that. 427 00:19:18,144 --> 00:19:21,944 Speaker 1: Stunned in Strapless Sky Blue gown from Valentino's Spring twenty 428 00:19:21,984 --> 00:19:25,664 Speaker 1: twenty five collection. However, many people will have shocked by 429 00:19:25,704 --> 00:19:28,824 Speaker 1: her behavior after a clip emerged of her stealing the 430 00:19:28,864 --> 00:19:31,664 Speaker 1: spotlight from another girl who was having her picture taken. 431 00:19:32,184 --> 00:19:35,424 Speaker 1: The other debutante was seen taking her turn posing for 432 00:19:35,464 --> 00:19:39,144 Speaker 1: the camera when Apple Martin appeared from behind and sasheed 433 00:19:39,264 --> 00:19:42,624 Speaker 1: into the spot posing with her hands on her hips. 434 00:19:42,824 --> 00:19:46,224 Speaker 1: Martin edged her way into the frame, forcing the other 435 00:19:46,304 --> 00:19:49,344 Speaker 1: girl out. The debutant could do nothing but look on 436 00:19:49,504 --> 00:19:51,864 Speaker 1: with an awkward laugh. As Aple Martin, you. 437 00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:55,304 Speaker 2: Could at least name her, obviously, as. 438 00:19:55,184 --> 00:19:58,704 Speaker 1: Apple Martin proceeds to pout and pose for several photos. 439 00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:02,824 Speaker 2: Stop if I was the other debutante, which we still don't. 440 00:20:02,704 --> 00:20:04,464 Speaker 1: Know who it is, the unnamed debutante, I. 441 00:20:04,424 --> 00:20:07,264 Speaker 2: Would be like, what the hell? Man? Like this was 442 00:20:07,344 --> 00:20:09,904 Speaker 2: meant to be my night? Can we only share this space? 443 00:20:09,984 --> 00:20:12,544 Speaker 1: I just it's interesting. There's two different kind of narratives 444 00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:16,144 Speaker 1: around about the Paltrow Martin family being there. And one 445 00:20:16,184 --> 00:20:20,064 Speaker 1: is like, look at this beautiful family, Charlotte pushing her 446 00:20:20,064 --> 00:20:21,384 Speaker 1: out of the way. She's got a few years, so 447 00:20:21,504 --> 00:20:24,304 Speaker 1: she's gonna be there. There's this like beautiful narrative about 448 00:20:24,424 --> 00:20:27,584 Speaker 1: the family having this moment together, and there's photos of 449 00:20:27,944 --> 00:20:31,104 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow like tearing up as she dances with Moses, 450 00:20:31,224 --> 00:20:33,864 Speaker 1: and then Chris Martin dancing with Apple and life Dana's 451 00:20:33,864 --> 00:20:36,184 Speaker 1: looking on. It's all really beautiful. And then there's these 452 00:20:36,184 --> 00:20:38,344 Speaker 1: stories coming out that she's a crazy mean girl, which 453 00:20:38,664 --> 00:20:40,744 Speaker 1: potentially she is. Like, if anyone's gonna be a mean girl, 454 00:20:40,744 --> 00:20:42,264 Speaker 1: will be Apple Martin. But I don't think we can 455 00:20:42,304 --> 00:20:43,064 Speaker 1: take that away from her. 456 00:20:43,104 --> 00:20:45,544 Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry, is her right? If that's gonna 457 00:20:45,544 --> 00:20:47,504 Speaker 2: be my parents? You know what, I'm gonna admit it. 458 00:20:47,544 --> 00:20:48,504 Speaker 2: I'd be a mean girl. 459 00:20:48,304 --> 00:20:50,944 Speaker 1: Too, exactly. I'd be like that is my lineage in life. 460 00:20:50,984 --> 00:20:52,824 Speaker 1: But also she could have just we don't know, she 461 00:20:52,824 --> 00:20:55,424 Speaker 1: could be friends with an unnamed debutante her like, so 462 00:20:55,584 --> 00:20:57,344 Speaker 1: the photographer could have been telling. 463 00:20:57,344 --> 00:20:59,344 Speaker 2: She had been friends with her she was guy's father. 464 00:20:59,544 --> 00:21:01,504 Speaker 1: We don't know if that's what happened to Emily. Also, 465 00:21:01,504 --> 00:21:03,864 Speaker 1: maybe the photographers were telling her to like come in there, 466 00:21:03,864 --> 00:21:05,384 Speaker 1: and you know, you're at this big event in this 467 00:21:05,424 --> 00:21:07,064 Speaker 1: fancy dress. You're trying to do what you're told, like, we. 468 00:21:07,024 --> 00:21:10,024 Speaker 2: Don't don't please stand in front of this girl I've had. 469 00:21:09,984 --> 00:21:11,784 Speaker 1: Enough of It's like on red carpet. So you see 470 00:21:11,784 --> 00:21:14,104 Speaker 1: everyone getting pushed her out and that this debutant ball, 471 00:21:14,104 --> 00:21:15,424 Speaker 1: they would have been everyone being. 472 00:21:15,304 --> 00:21:17,224 Speaker 2: It was her red carpet. She's like, I know what 473 00:21:17,304 --> 00:21:17,544 Speaker 2: to do. 474 00:21:18,064 --> 00:21:20,384 Speaker 1: I don't know. I always think when Gwyneth Poultry was 475 00:21:20,424 --> 00:21:22,824 Speaker 1: in Sydney for that talk with Jackie O, and I 476 00:21:22,944 --> 00:21:24,584 Speaker 1: was in the audience for it, it was so funny because 477 00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:27,744 Speaker 1: they were talking about Apple and Moses and JACKIEO was like, 478 00:21:27,824 --> 00:21:29,944 Speaker 1: how is the amount of money and fame and everything 479 00:21:29,944 --> 00:21:32,264 Speaker 1: that you have? How do you not let them get 480 00:21:32,264 --> 00:21:34,624 Speaker 1: really spoiled and have whatever they want? And Gwyneth Paltrow 481 00:21:34,704 --> 00:21:37,144 Speaker 1: was like visibly shocked, and she goes, they can't have 482 00:21:37,224 --> 00:21:40,944 Speaker 1: whatever they want, but they do. I don't know, but 483 00:21:40,984 --> 00:21:43,184 Speaker 1: I just think people are very shocked by this idea 484 00:21:43,224 --> 00:21:46,424 Speaker 1: of these debutant balls. But it's such a huge thing still, 485 00:21:46,664 --> 00:21:48,624 Speaker 1: there would be so many in Sydney. It's not about 486 00:21:48,664 --> 00:21:51,144 Speaker 1: marrying the girls off as much anymore. I would believe. 487 00:21:51,184 --> 00:21:54,184 Speaker 1: It's more about showing like the status, not the status 488 00:21:54,224 --> 00:21:56,464 Speaker 1: of your family and your wealth, and. 489 00:21:56,584 --> 00:21:57,904 Speaker 2: So how do we get in here? 490 00:21:57,984 --> 00:21:59,784 Speaker 1: Like you want to make your debuty, make it like 491 00:21:59,864 --> 00:22:03,144 Speaker 1: gain plan for next year, like love that you think 492 00:22:03,184 --> 00:22:06,544 Speaker 1: that you're young enough to do that. It's like it's 493 00:22:06,544 --> 00:22:08,064 Speaker 1: not even the money standing Inno. 494 00:22:08,104 --> 00:22:10,224 Speaker 2: Way, what child do we take to the. 495 00:22:10,504 --> 00:22:12,744 Speaker 1: We need to find a rich Neppo baby in Australia 496 00:22:13,224 --> 00:22:15,544 Speaker 1: and like old money or new money, I think new 497 00:22:15,544 --> 00:22:18,904 Speaker 1: money is probably our best bet to get in there. Yeah, 498 00:22:19,264 --> 00:22:21,184 Speaker 1: dress them up in a Valentino gown and send them 499 00:22:21,224 --> 00:22:21,824 Speaker 1: into Paris. 500 00:22:22,184 --> 00:22:24,464 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 501 00:22:24,544 --> 00:22:26,624 Speaker 2: If you want to know more about the law behind 502 00:22:26,664 --> 00:22:29,104 Speaker 2: the hills, Cancel did a really great episode which we 503 00:22:29,144 --> 00:22:31,304 Speaker 2: will link in our show notes. Also, if you haven't 504 00:22:31,344 --> 00:22:34,904 Speaker 2: caught up on your spill, we did a brutally honest 505 00:22:34,944 --> 00:22:37,584 Speaker 2: review cod stop us. We did a brudly honest review 506 00:22:37,744 --> 00:22:41,544 Speaker 2: of Wicked Part one on Friday, and we're not saying 507 00:22:41,584 --> 00:22:43,664 Speaker 2: it that many of you spillers have let us know. 508 00:22:43,744 --> 00:22:45,584 Speaker 1: It's one of your favorite episodes ever. I met you 509 00:22:45,624 --> 00:22:47,864 Speaker 1: laughed and cried listening to it as we did making it. 510 00:22:48,024 --> 00:22:51,304 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what you said. That's just reporting what 511 00:22:51,344 --> 00:22:53,344 Speaker 2: you're saying. If you want to listen to that, we 512 00:22:53,384 --> 00:22:55,384 Speaker 2: will link it in our show notes as well. We 513 00:22:55,464 --> 00:22:57,624 Speaker 2: will see you back here in your podcast feed at 514 00:22:57,624 --> 00:23:05,024 Speaker 2: three pm tomorrow, Bye Bye