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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie. Are you close with your family maybe you

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Speaker 1: don't speak to them at all. The number of people

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Speaker 1: cutting ties with family members is growing here in Australia.

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Speaker 1: But is it for the best? Before we get there,

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Speaker 1: here's in news headlines for Tuesday, June three. Portuguese police

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Speaker 1: have launched a new search for missing girl Madeline McCann

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Speaker 1: back where she disappeared in two thousand and seven. The

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Speaker 1: search comes after a request from German authorities, who in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two formerly identified German citizen Christian Bruckner as

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Speaker 1: an official suspect in Madeleine's disappearance. Portugal's judicial police say

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Speaker 1: they will be carrying out a wide range of investigations,

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Speaker 1: which will include a search of an area between Prayer

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Speaker 1: de Lutz, where Madeline went missing, from the resort where

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Speaker 1: her family was staying, and one of the houses where

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Speaker 1: Bruckner lived at the time, after which all evidence will

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Speaker 1: be handed over to German authorities. Authorities have made it

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Speaker 1: clear they are searching for traces of the child's body.

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Speaker 1: Bruckner has denied any involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance eighteen

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Speaker 1: years ago and has not been charged with any crime

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Speaker 1: related to the case. The convicted child abuser and drug

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Speaker 1: dealer is currently in jail in Germany for raping a

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Speaker 1: seventy two year old woman in the same area where

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Speaker 1: Madeleine went missing. The last search for the little girl

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Speaker 1: was held in May twenty twenty three, but failed to

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Speaker 1: return any evidence of her final resting place. Erin Patterson

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Speaker 1: will take to the stand again today after an emotional

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Speaker 1: day giving evidence at her own murder trial. Patterson is

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Speaker 1: accused of intentionally poisoning her in laws Don and Gale Patterson,

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Speaker 1: and Gaale's sister Heather by cooking them abeef Wellington laced

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Speaker 1: with death cap mushrooms. Police alled she foraged for the

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Speaker 1: mushrooms at known growing sites, then dehydrated them in an

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Speaker 1: appliance that was later thrown away. Patterson claims it was

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Speaker 1: a magic accident. Pleading not guilty to three counts of

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Speaker 1: murder and one of attempted murder with Heather's husband Ian

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Speaker 1: surviving the ordeal. Patterson became emotional as she described the

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Speaker 1: traumatic birth of her first child, and again when she

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Speaker 1: talked about how much help her mother in law had

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Speaker 1: been at the time. She said Gail was supportive and

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Speaker 1: gentle and very patient with her. She also talked about

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Speaker 1: her various separations from her husband, Simon over the years.

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Speaker 1: The first was when they were traveling across the north

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Speaker 1: of Australia with their baby son in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: Patterson described how she found it difficult to handle a

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Speaker 1: and not know how to resolve it. In the months

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Speaker 1: leading up to the deadly lunch, Patterson said she felt

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Speaker 1: that Simon didn't want her as involved with them. Patterson

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Speaker 1: will return to the stand in week six of her trial. Today.

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Speaker 1: Tourists had been sent running for their safety after Mount

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Speaker 1: Etna in Italy suddenly erupted. A video shared online shows

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Speaker 1: tourists running down the side of the volcano after it

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Speaker 1: began to send columns of steam and ash into the air.

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Speaker 1: A collapse of the site of the crater also sent

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Speaker 1: danger to the surrounding communities. Ossie's with TYPO blood are

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Speaker 1: being asked to roll up a sleeve with storage of

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Speaker 1: the life saving blood at its lowest point since twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. Supply always drops off during the cooler months

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Speaker 1: when regular donors come down with various viruses, forcing them

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Speaker 1: to reschedule their appointments. But while supply drops off, demand

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Speaker 1: does not. Lifeblood saying they issue close to ten thousand

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Speaker 1: blood transfusions and medications to hospitals around the country in

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Speaker 1: order to meet patients needs every day. OH positive and

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Speaker 1: is only ten minutes. After announcing their new coach. This week,

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Speaker 1: the Matildas have scored a win in Canberra. The four

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Speaker 1: time of interim coach Tom Somani, with incoming manager Joe

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Speaker 1: Montemorau watching on. Amy Sayer, who spent the last year

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Speaker 1: fourteenth minute, then again in response to an Argentinian goal.

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Speaker 1: She nearly made it three, but the ball went high

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Speaker 1: and wide. Emily van Egman and Michelle Hayman also both

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Speaker 1: four and their sixth straight victory on home soil. The

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Speaker 1: team now faces Slovenia for two friendlies at the end

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Speaker 1: of the month as they continue their campaign for the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Asian Cup. That's What's happening in the

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Speaker 1: world today. Next inside the epidemic of family estrangement. When

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Speaker 1: that we should just maintain them at all costs. After all,

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Speaker 1: they're family, right, But what happens when those relationships become

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Speaker 1: only option. New research suggests we're seeing what experts are

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Speaker 2: In the quiet corners of many Australian families lies a

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Speaker 2: painful reality that's rarely discussed openly, the complete severing of

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Speaker 2: parent child relationships. Researchers are now describing what appears to

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Speaker 2: be an epidemic of family estrangement, with studies showing approximately

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Speaker 2: twenty six percent of young adults have gone no contact

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Speaker 2: with their fathers, while six percent have cut off communication

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Speaker 2: with their mothers. Behind these stats are real stories of

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Speaker 2: people who've made the difficult decision to step away from

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Speaker 2: their families. An estrangement can look like many different things

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Speaker 2: to different people. It comes in all shapes, sizes, and circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Take Amy, who's been estrange from her family for over

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Speaker 2: fifteen years. She only discovered her mother had died a

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Speaker 2: year after it happened, and surprisingly, she felt profound relief.

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Speaker 2: Amy's story reveals one of the most common reasons for

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Speaker 2: what she describes as a long line of physical, emotional,

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Speaker 2: and sexual abuse that occurred for generations. Even after moving

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Speaker 2: across the country, Amy would suffer horrible headaches and waking

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Speaker 2: required hospitalization. Then there's Asia's story, which highlights how emotional

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Speaker 2: neglect can lead to estrangement. As a parent herself, now

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Speaker 2: she can see clearly how her parents favored her younger brothers.

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Speaker 2: The final straw came during her cancer treatment, when her

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Speaker 2: parents visited only once spent the day fussing over their

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Speaker 2: undergoing treatment. For Elena, toxic and narcissistic behavior from her

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Speaker 2: her mum claiming she did nothing wrong. Divorce can also

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Speaker 2: trigger estrangement, as Geer's story shows, her father left her

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Speaker 2: mother for another woman, then repeated that Patton multiple times.

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Speaker 2: During her first year of university, They briefly bonded when

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Speaker 2: his third wife left him, but weeks later he met

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Speaker 2: his fourth wife and their progress was forgotten. The final

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Speaker 2: break came at Gea's wedding. Her father refused to attend

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Speaker 2: stepfather being a key figure in her upbringing. World renowned

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Speaker 2: psychologist Steve Bidoff notes that for people who cut ties

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Speaker 2: with difficult parents, it can be a very releasing experience.

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Speaker 2: He points out that even in ancient societies, DNA evidence

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Speaker 2: shows that about one person in six will travel hundreds

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Speaker 2: the inner work must follow. Estrangement alone doesn't completely heal

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Speaker 2: the trauma. Behind each of these stories lies profound pain,

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Speaker 2: often generations of it, and the difficult recognition that sometimes

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Speaker 2: loving someone from a distance is the kindest choice one

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Speaker 2: can make, both for themselves and paradoxically, for the relationship

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Speaker 2: that might have been. It's a reminder that family bonds,

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Speaker 2: while powerful, aren't always healthy, and that sometimes the bravest

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Speaker 2: thing we can do is acknowledged when those bonds need

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