Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Hello and welcome
Speaker 1: to Mom and Mia out Loud. It's what women are
Speaker 1: actually talking about on Friday, the sixteenth of January.
Speaker 2: I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm EMM Burnham.
Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 1: And here's what's on our agenda for today, the last
Speaker 1: episode of our first full week of the year.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's been great.
Speaker 1: Today I'm bringing us the latest stupid thing that a
Speaker 1: celebrity dad said that I've said everybody, what was it?
Speaker 2: Stupid? That's what we are going to unpack.
Speaker 4: Yes, plus us our eCos that we've been loving over
Speaker 4: the break.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to share mine with you.
Speaker 3: And apparently twenty twenty six is the year of friction maxing.
Speaker 3: What does that mean? And some of us already doing it?
Speaker 4: But first, in case you miss it, we have been
Speaker 4: doing Sundays wrong the French.
Speaker 2: I've been doing it right.
Speaker 1: Of course they have, because the French do things right.
Speaker 4: I recently came across an article in this Zoe report
Speaker 4: that pretty much said that we should be adopting the
Speaker 4: French Sunday also known as the demoche.
Speaker 3: Ah, you looked that up.
Speaker 2: I did look at that. I was the word for this.
Speaker 1: French out louders and out loud as French to say,
Speaker 1: may we apologize, may we apologize, especially if chat gpt.
Speaker 2: Completely lied and I mean something completely different.
Speaker 4: So it's the idea that Sundays are meant to be lazy,
Speaker 4: stress free, filled with doing nothing. We don't do that
Speaker 4: over here. Sundays are for admin they're for doing our taxes,
Speaker 4: they're for doing our shopping, meal prepping.
Speaker 2: Meal prepping.
Speaker 4: And this is why we need to adopt the French
Speaker 4: Sunday because now in France, Sundays are seen as like
Speaker 4: a day to enjoy during the week, not a day
Speaker 4: of dread.
Speaker 3: And they have always seen the day as sacred. I
Speaker 3: saw that from like nineteen oh six or something. It
Speaker 3: was enshrined in law that you can't open your shop,
Speaker 3: which has Christian roots, Catholic roots, but it's also got
Speaker 3: roots in like the union movement, and was like you
Speaker 3: can't force someone to work a Sunday, whereas the rest
Speaker 3: of like you know, London is buzzing on a Sunday.
Speaker 3: Everything's open, go out to lunch, go out and like
Speaker 3: enjoy yourself. But I kind of love the idea that
Speaker 3: the entire country takes a deep breath, the ideas that
Speaker 3: you stroll through Paris or your like countryside and just
Speaker 3: relax rather than frantically preparing for the week.
Speaker 1: I get anxious on Sundays as the morning wears on.
Speaker 1: I start going all the things I've got to do right,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I need to reset my mind. I
Speaker 1: looked at the list of how to have a French Sunday.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear one?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: What it involves, so wake up late and maybe by
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I liked a bit about the chroissant.
Speaker 2: That was nice.
Speaker 1: Do not touch a to do list in any way.
Speaker 1: Enjoy some gentle self care. Brush your hair slowly, put
Speaker 1: on moisturizer slowly, Stretch slowly.
Speaker 3: This is all sounding a lot like it do list.
Speaker 1: Take off the pajamas and leggings unless they're ears, which
Speaker 1: is I think a fancy brand. Apparently you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to slob around, even though this is French lazy Sunday,
Speaker 1: we're not slobbing. Apparently you're allowed to wear a cotton
Speaker 1: shirt and soft jeans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you're allowed to wear. Her breathe.
Speaker 1: You're gonna this isn't gonna work with you. But take
Speaker 1: off the pajamas and leggings, have a proper Sunday chicken roast,
Speaker 1: and forget about brunch forever. Apparently brunch is seen as
Speaker 1: being quite stressy and like, you know.
Speaker 2: To be seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also like you've got to be there
Speaker 3: by a certain time to meet someone, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden you're rushing.
Speaker 4: And then if it's bottomless brand, you're like, I need
Speaker 4: to get as many drinks.
Speaker 3: Exactly, which is really actually stressful. I also read Make Love.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was on the list. It says, pretend all
Speaker 1: establishments are clothes, wander aimlessly on purpose, read a book,
Speaker 1: and make love.
Speaker 3: Which, again it's sounding to do listing, but.
Speaker 2: It's like non strenuous to do list.
Speaker 1: Non streous love, a very specific kind of sex on
Speaker 1: some there maybe just starfish it yeah, easy.
Speaker 2: Like Sunday, as easy as possible.
Speaker 1: I'll just be lying here, thank you. I really I
Speaker 1: do like the idea that we've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: how we need to kind of reclaim rest a bit.
Speaker 1: But the problem with this is like who's cooking the
Speaker 1: roast chicken?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I don't know very many women who find cooking
Speaker 1: roast that relaxing.
Speaker 3: No, and then I saw like, oh, I just take
Speaker 3: my children down to the markets, and I was like.
Speaker 2: Ah, wait till the shops are open. Then you just
Speaker 2: get the bachelor's handbag and you bring it.
Speaker 1: That's true a barbecue chalk. I think we should reclaim
Speaker 1: our day of rest.
Speaker 3: Have we eliminated too much friction from our lives? There
Speaker 3: was an essay published in The Cut over the Break
Speaker 3: called in twenty twenty six, we are friction maxing, and
Speaker 3: the argument goes that tech companies have led us to
Speaker 3: believe that everything from reading to talking to me, moving
Speaker 3: to leaving the house, to cooking dinner, to apply to texts,
Speaker 3: all of it is simply inconvenience. These are all frictions
Speaker 3: which tech companies have designed the ability to eliminate, and
Speaker 3: deep down we know that eliminating every inconvenience in our
Speaker 3: lives is bad for us. It feels bad for us,
Speaker 3: yet we all do it.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: Writer Catherine jess and Morton says she is building up
Speaker 3: tolerance for inconvenience. That is what her year is all about.
Speaker 3: No more using chat GPT, saying I've got a few
Speaker 3: things in the fridge. What should I make for dinner?
Speaker 3: She says she is inviting people to her house, but
Speaker 3: she is not properly cleaning it before they get there.
Speaker 3: She wants to ask a friend for advice rather than
Speaker 3: the internet. What do we think about this? Because on
Speaker 3: the surface, I read this article and it really impacted me,
Speaker 3: and I kept trying to tell friends about it over
Speaker 3: the break and they were like, so the whole article
Speaker 3: is just about making your life a bit harder. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but there's something to it that feels important and meaningful.
Speaker 3: Is twenty twenty six the year we lean more into friction?
Speaker 2: What do we think?
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I loved this article. The opening
Speaker 1: par is really as you've said it's about. She talks
Speaker 1: about how tech companies have erased all of our little frictions,
Speaker 1: and she says reading is boring, talking is awkward, moving
Speaker 1: is tiring, leaving the house is daunting, thinking is hard,
Speaker 1: Interacting with strangers is scary, Risking an unexpected reaction from
Speaker 1: someone isn't worth it. Speaking at all overrated. These are
Speaker 1: all frictions that we can now eliminate easily, and we do.
Speaker 1: According to the emergent ideology of Silicon Valley. Most people
Speaker 1: would prefer not to be human. They've demonstrated this through
Speaker 1: their revealed preferences in the way that they use the apps.
Speaker 1: They're being sold that is so true because the culture,
Speaker 1: and I know it's not necessarily true on an individual
Speaker 1: level for everybody, but the culture broadly does tell us
Speaker 1: that all of those things, anything that is a tiny
Speaker 1: bit inconvenient or unpredictable, should be eliminated. Yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: difficult and stressful, and so the argument that we should
Speaker 1: start retraining that muscle, I think is really good.
Speaker 3: And we know that to struggle against something is to imbue,
Speaker 3: meaning like anything that is ultimately satisfying. Like I'm reading
Speaker 3: at the moment a book called The Luminous Solution by
Speaker 3: Charlotte Wood, which I think you might have talked about
Speaker 3: years ago. Charlotte Wood is amazing, so good, and it's
Speaker 3: all about creativity, right, And it's called The Luminous Solution
Speaker 3: because it's basically saying that creativity is about solving a
Speaker 3: problem you design, and it's about playing with the problem
Speaker 3: and the darkness that comes with it and the time
Speaker 3: and the waste and the frustration and all of it,
Speaker 3: and that's why creativity is so satisfying. And creativity, I guess,
Speaker 3: is the ultimate friction. All it is is friction. You're
Speaker 3: coming up against something that's hard, and a lot of
Speaker 3: these technologies offer even in our line of work, like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of pressure to be using aibots or
Speaker 3: whatever to come up with your.
Speaker 2: Intro or your show notes.
Speaker 3: Or whatever it is. But I always think of like
Speaker 3: the great creatives like Michelangelo or whatever, where the struggle
Speaker 3: was the thing, not the outcome.
Speaker 2: And in that case, it's like the friction is kind
Speaker 2: of the whole.
Speaker 3: Point of living, right, m.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the idea of making a
Speaker 1: deliberate attempt to make your life a bit harder.
Speaker 4: It's really confronting. When I read this article, I felt
Speaker 4: so confronted because it made me kind of analyze how
Speaker 4: much of my life I've realized I've automated without actually
Speaker 4: realizing I've been doing it. And I made a little
Speaker 4: list of things that I've been doing that I once
Speaker 4: I saw it on paper, I was like, that's actually
Speaker 4: while did I do this? Wearing AirPods to go get lunch?
Speaker 4: So no one talks to me, like in the elevator. Yes,
Speaker 4: ordering uber eats on my way home while I'm in
Speaker 4: an Uber Yes, I do it all the time, so
Speaker 4: I get there at the same time.
Speaker 2: This one.
Speaker 4: What I've been doing is I've been buying gifts for friends,
Speaker 4: but without a card, because a card is too hard.
Speaker 4: The gift part is easy because you order it online,
Speaker 4: it gets to you. You can select prepackaged so it
Speaker 4: like comes up and wrap it so sometimes you.
Speaker 3: Just send it straight to the email address.
Speaker 4: And then for me having to go outside of work
Speaker 4: walk one hundred meters to like a card shop, buy
Speaker 4: a card and then write in the card and attach
Speaker 4: you to the gift too much.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, and it.
Speaker 3: Actually hurts my hand to write the card too much.
Speaker 4: I can learn how to write reading versus audio books.
Speaker 2: For me, I feel like audiobooks.
Speaker 4: Has changed so many people's lives and you can now
Speaker 4: take so many different books. But for me, whenever I
Speaker 4: listen to an audio book, I automatically start doing something else,
Speaker 4: like I'm always on my phone, I'm always cooking, And
Speaker 4: then I realize I have no idea what this book
Speaker 4: is about.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's really interesting, because your list just there. I
Speaker 1: don't think you should be in the least bit embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I think that's the whole point of this, is that
Speaker 1: everybody's living like that to a point, right, Because then
Speaker 1: I realize that I have been friction maxing the last
Speaker 1: few years, not on purpose, but moving out of a
Speaker 1: big city hasn't made my life much more inconvenient in
Speaker 1: lots of ways. And so then I started thinking about, well,
Speaker 1: has that made me happier? Are things better or whatever?
Speaker 1: So for example, where I live, the shops close at
Speaker 1: lunchtime on a Saturday and they don't reopen till Monday,
Speaker 1: and that's it. There are no shops open after seven o'clock.
Speaker 1: So if I run out of milk at seven o'clock,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting milk. You know, there are there's no delivery,
Speaker 1: there's no Uber eats, there's no door dash, there's none
Speaker 1: of that, right, So you can get woollies ordered or whatever,
Speaker 1: but you can't do anything that's quick and immediate.
Speaker 2: There's no Uber. I can't just order an Uber to
Speaker 2: my house.
Speaker 1: So I have eliminated a lot of those like very
Speaker 1: modern big city conveniences that are now very you don't
Speaker 1: even think about it. And I was thinking, does that
Speaker 1: make me better somehow, And I was like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. But what does happen is you get
Speaker 1: used to it really quickly. So you probably find that
Speaker 1: quite horrifying that I live somewhere where you can't get
Speaker 1: some milk sent over or car.
Speaker 2: Do you have your coffee exactly?
Speaker 1: You know, you either make a coffee or you go
Speaker 1: to the coffee shop when it's open, but it's only
Speaker 1: open at these very specific times.
Speaker 2: It sounds horrifying.
Speaker 1: And I remember when we first moved there and there
Speaker 1: was no Uber Eats and there was a pizza restaurant
Speaker 1: that did deliver.
Speaker 2: At that time, I was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: But you adapt, just in the way that we've adapted
Speaker 1: to all the convenience, you also adapt, but it's not
Speaker 1: having it.
Speaker 3: What does the adaptation? What is it robbing us of?
Speaker 3: Because I think it is robbing us of something, it's
Speaker 3: infantilizing us.
Speaker 1: Well, it is like if I'm at home and I
Speaker 1: want to eat something, I have to make it right.
Speaker 2: There's no other option.
Speaker 3: And is the meal more satisfying because you made it?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 1: I don't mean in a Nara Smith way, whether I'm
Speaker 1: like rolling out the dough bread.
Speaker 2: And churning the button.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I do have to make the salad.
Speaker 1: I can't just order a salad bowl. And I think, yes,
Speaker 1: you probably eat more healthily and those kind of things
Speaker 1: and it is more mindful. What I can tell you
Speaker 1: is I don't miss those things like I did at first.
Speaker 1: And when I'm in the city, am I ordering my
Speaker 1: fish bowl?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: But I don't miss it. So what does that tell you?
Speaker 3: Is this what we used to call character building? You
Speaker 3: know how in parenting it was like what I remember
Speaker 3: from my childhood. It was like anytime friction was introduced,
Speaker 3: it was like, this is character but we just know
Speaker 3: it's good for you instinctively. I don't even need to
Speaker 3: explain why we know it's good for you. But it
Speaker 3: reminded me of this article that I saw him Maya recently,
Speaker 3: which had a headline like not depressed, just unimpressed, and
Speaker 3: it was about the experience of innui e n and ui.
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about Americans.
Speaker 3: How did you say it? As it was about on wii,
Speaker 3: which is a French word for a feeling of listlessness,
Speaker 3: weariness and dissatisfaction. And apparently this is like it's so
Speaker 3: widespread now, like so many people experience this.
Speaker 2: I feel like the French have just got it together.
Speaker 3: Oh they've just got it together. They describe as a
Speaker 3: deep existential boredom or a case of the BLA, stemming
Speaker 3: from a feeling that life is meaningless or too easy.
Speaker 3: And I wondered if those two things are somewhat related.
Speaker 3: That if life is just you go through the motions
Speaker 3: and there's this monotony and there's no friction, and therefore
Speaker 3: there's no meaning and you don't feel proud of yourself,
Speaker 3: then like, but here's.
Speaker 1: The interesting friction in that argument is do people feel
Speaker 1: like life is easy? You know, you might have all
Speaker 1: this long list of like conveniences of things you don't
Speaker 1: have to do. But most people I know who are
Speaker 1: not sitting around thinking life is easy.
Speaker 2: I don't know if those things kind of.
Speaker 3: I wonder if I'm a muscle though, because I think
Speaker 3: we just find other problems. Yeah, our muscle for discomfort
Speaker 3: and uncertainty is really weak. Right, So it's like I
Speaker 3: have found myself and again it's instinct more than anything intellectual.
Speaker 3: But like I have started swimming laps again, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I said to someone, you know I get in
Speaker 3: the pool and I swim for thirty forty minutes and
Speaker 3: I won't have any input. It's the only time in
Speaker 3: my day that I don't have any input. And someone
Speaker 3: was like, well, you know, there's waterproofs headphones that.
Speaker 1: Would be the anti friction mass, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, every time I walk past as in office works
Speaker 3: the other day and I walked past them and I went, no,
Speaker 3: like I'm making a there is something that tells me, like,
Speaker 3: it would be great to keep listening to my audiobook
Speaker 3: in the pool, but I'm like, there's something that tells
Speaker 3: me that the friction and the discomfort of swimming in
Speaker 3: silence is good for me. I don't know why. And
Speaker 3: then sometimes I'll get in the car and like not
Speaker 3: put the address in maps and let myself get.
Speaker 4: Lost that Sydney.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but there are some It's funny because although
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what you think about this, Jesse,
Speaker 1: because the thing is some of this is like an
Speaker 1: anti technology movement, which is very understandable because, as this
Speaker 1: writer writes, the people who design this stuff are now
Speaker 1: the most powerful people in the world, and they're literally
Speaker 1: taking away our humanity. One thing I really noticed over
Speaker 1: the break because I know some people are using AI
Speaker 1: heats and some people not so much. And I had
Speaker 1: a friend come to stay who says, you know, she
Speaker 1: does a makeup then she puts the picture onto AI
Speaker 1: to tell her, you know what, could she have done better?
Speaker 1: She does everything from her face to her meals, to
Speaker 1: her where I put my pop plant everywhere. And I
Speaker 1: noticed when I do that, when I start asking AI
Speaker 1: for advice, how quickly it feels naughty to ignore the advice,
Speaker 1: Like how quickly you feel like, oh, I'm disobeying the
Speaker 1: robot if I don't do what it's like.
Speaker 3: So that's interesting, and I start losing my internal compass
Speaker 3: of like I find it with parenting. You know, there
Speaker 3: was that quote recently by Sam I think it was
Speaker 3: Sam Oltman who said it's impossible to parent without chat GPT,
Speaker 3: and that made me feel so sick that I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm never asking it a question again, because shouldn't it
Speaker 3: be more instinctive rather than every problem you face as
Speaker 3: a parent, you just plug.
Speaker 2: It into the bottle, it's like.
Speaker 4: But also at the same time, I would say that
Speaker 4: thanks to chat GPT, you don't have to deal with
Speaker 4: the anxiety and the stress of having to work it
Speaker 4: out yourself.
Speaker 1: Isn't the point?
Speaker 2: But why would you want that?
Speaker 4: Like, what do you mean.
Speaker 2: It's the point?
Speaker 3: Because then what happens in life when you are thrown
Speaker 3: something stressful, which inevitably we are, which is illness or
Speaker 3: tension or a relationship breakdown or loss or whatever. My
Speaker 3: muscle for that and my sense of how to deal
Speaker 3: with that is just going to be totally depleted because
Speaker 3: I haven't faced any hardship or struggle in months.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, I just think that it's something we need to practice,
Speaker 3: and the satisfaction of having done something hard and worked
Speaker 3: it out yourself. Again, it's like we've got to reparent ourselves, right,
Speaker 3: Like every day I could pick Luner up and put
Speaker 3: her on her chair that she has, But something tells
Speaker 3: me that her doing it herself and kind of nearly
Speaker 3: falling but not getting to the top tells me that
Speaker 3: that's better for her and her own development. And so
Speaker 3: I'm like, I think that's the same for adults.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, But then I think we need
Speaker 1: to be a little bit careful of a kind of
Speaker 1: virtue signaling about rejecting all technological advancement, because technological advancements,
Speaker 1: domestic ones freed women a.
Speaker 2: Lot from the drudgery of It.
Speaker 1: Used to be that if you're going to wash your clothes,
Speaker 1: it would be that's a day long tash, right, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not washing in the scene.
Speaker 1: Although so you know, you could argue that certain technological
Speaker 1: advances changed lives. There are some obvious, massive ones in
Speaker 1: terms of health and all those things, but even just
Speaker 1: social and domestic things that are what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: like whether it makes your life easy to make a
Speaker 1: meal or whatever, No question, have freed many, many people
Speaker 1: and lots of women. But on the other hand, I
Speaker 1: remember you talking about this a while ago when we
Speaker 1: were talking about parenting, Jesse. You said, yes, but now
Speaker 1: we've just created a whole lot of other.
Speaker 2: Things to worry about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like the physical demands of parenting, for example,
Speaker 1: might be a bit easier because you've got all these
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to hang wash all your
Speaker 1: own nappies, and you don't have to make every bit
Speaker 1: of food from scratch with a pestle and mortar or
Speaker 1: you know whatever. But now it's like, is there enough
Speaker 1: protein in every single mouthful I'm giving it like we've
Speaker 1: raised the bar on perfection that then whispinning around about that. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: So I wonder, but I'd love to know what people
Speaker 1: think that are the conveniences that you could never friction ma,
Speaker 1: because I think that the GPS in your car that one.
Speaker 2: I think that has too many people are and I
Speaker 2: need you guys to start using it.
Speaker 1: I love the bit here where it said do not
Speaker 1: location share.
Speaker 2: It spoke to my very soul.
Speaker 1: She had a line where she said where you are
Speaker 1: as none of anybody else's business, and privacy is a right.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, absolutely, sing it is everyone brushing their face.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, when you see something online,
Speaker 1: do you mean brushing your teeth?
Speaker 2: No, I mean literally your face.
Speaker 3: Sometimes when I look at my face in my mirror
Speaker 3: in my car, I think it needs a brush. How
Speaker 3: much hair I can?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I so, you know when you see
Speaker 1: something once and you're like, and then suddenly it's everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I know that's algorithm, but also sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: a trend and suddenly everywhere I look women are brushing
Speaker 1: their faces with these kind of facial brushes. And the
Speaker 1: thing that made me go oh, is this really something
Speaker 1: that everyone is doing? Is Nicki Glazer was doing it
Speaker 1: before the Golden Globe? So she did one of those
Speaker 1: Vogue Get Ready with Me kind of beauty routines and
Speaker 1: she's there brushing her face and I was like, I
Speaker 1: swear I saw Hailey Beaber brushing her face. It looks
Speaker 1: like a horse. What do we call the one we
Speaker 1: use for lymphatic drainage? Like a yes, but with bristles?
Speaker 1: Is this a thing that the people are doing? And
Speaker 1: I'm asking you because you're young and cool and beautiful.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a physical brush on a face as yet,
Speaker 4: but I do gwasher most nights.
Speaker 2: And why do we do that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Lymphatic drainage?
Speaker 1: And why are we doing that?
Speaker 4: Because you don't want all your face to hold all
Speaker 4: the liquid. You want your face and your body to
Speaker 4: drain the liquid that it holds. Sometimes when I I
Speaker 4: can like feel it dripping out the back of.
Speaker 1: The can, you really, can you really wo tell me
Speaker 1: how long that takes?
Speaker 2: This is friction maxing.
Speaker 1: This is like I'm sure there's a cream you could
Speaker 1: put on that would make your face, but like spending
Speaker 1: the time to.
Speaker 2: Sit there and go like that actually, yeah, that is
Speaker 2: my one maction maxing thing I do.
Speaker 4: I do it when I clean, so I use an
Speaker 4: oil cleanser because you don't want to be pulling your skin,
Speaker 4: and then I just kind of give my face a
Speaker 4: little massage. I did it just to make my face
Speaker 4: feel nice, to treat it.
Speaker 3: Do you notice, honestly a difference in how your face looks?
Speaker 4: Not when I do it myself, but when I do
Speaker 4: e lymphatic facial at my facial list, I notice a
Speaker 4: huge really yeah, my cheekbones are like jutted out, and
Speaker 4: like my jawl line is like crisp.
Speaker 2: It's so weird.
Speaker 4: And I've had friends do it and we'd always take
Speaker 4: before and after photos of like before the facial after facial,
Speaker 4: and it's wild.
Speaker 3: Because I'm feeling a bit puffy this stage of pregnancy.
Speaker 3: You get a bit puffy around the face.
Speaker 2: Face brush shawl.
Speaker 3: I think I need to start doing a face.
Speaker 2: Brush or just use your fingers.
Speaker 4: So you get your two knuckles and you put them
Speaker 4: on either side of your jaw and you up to
Speaker 4: like where your ears and then down on your neck.
Speaker 1: So they're not brushing their faces for hair reason. No,
Speaker 1: I know Gwin has always been into dry brushing. That's
Speaker 1: a similar vibe. And why do we dry brush for
Speaker 1: the same reason.
Speaker 2: It's about.
Speaker 1: And you brush up to heart too long? That takes
Speaker 1: a while. I was going to say, how much time
Speaker 1: are we spending on the.
Speaker 4: Oh, like a few minutes, not that long. I don't
Speaker 4: have that too much. Face brushes are in all of
Speaker 4: our futures.
Speaker 2: Out louders.
Speaker 1: In a moment, a famous man has made an offer
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Speaker 5: It's Miya, in case you missed it, I am back
Speaker 5: on subscriber episodes Tuesday and Thursday all year, and I
Speaker 5: wanted to tell you what I spoke about this week
Speaker 5: with Holly and Jesse. We spoke about on Tuesday, very
Speaker 5: emotional conversation, very candid, honest conversation about why I decided
Speaker 5: to leave, what the last couple of years has been
Speaker 5: like behind the scenes for me and.
Speaker 1: For all of us, and also why I decided.
Speaker 2: To come back in this way.
Speaker 5: So that's Tuesday, and then on Thursday, for a complete
Speaker 5: change of pace, heated rivalry, the Smutty Gay Hockey Show.
Speaker 5: I'm obsessed with it, and Vernon joined that conversation, and
Speaker 5: we also spoke about the Taylor Swift documentary. Have a listen,
Speaker 5: there's a link in the show notes. You can get
Speaker 5: me in your ears right now.
Speaker 1: Look, I feel like I'm just mentioning Dak Shepherd every
Speaker 1: five minutes, So I'm good.
Speaker 4: You love this man.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to get through the Dak shepherdness of
Speaker 1: this story quickly because I think it's about something bigger.
Speaker 3: Even I was interested in this and I'm not a
Speaker 3: Dak Shepherd Stan in the way that you know, I know.
Speaker 1: On Monday's Golden Globe show, we talked about how podcasts
Speaker 1: are becoming more and more famous and the proliferation of
Speaker 1: Dak Shepherd Kristen Bell stories very much an example of this.
Speaker 1: And it used to be you could bang on on
Speaker 1: the podcast, as we know, you could bang on a
Speaker 1: podcast of all kinds of private things and no one
Speaker 1: knew because the only people listening were like your friends,
Speaker 1: like twenty people.
Speaker 3: But now they can clip it up and put it
Speaker 3: on tiptok and go. These people are mad.
Speaker 1: And this is what happened to Dak Shepherd when he
Speaker 1: talked about his eleven year old daughter's fertility journey. So
Speaker 1: here's a little grab just for context. Again, the Dax
Speaker 1: and Monica of this is not the important part. But
Speaker 1: Dax is talking to his co host Monica Padman. They
Speaker 1: have a bit of their show after the interview all
Speaker 1: is where they just sort of talk about stuff, what's
Speaker 1: been going on. And he is talking about his daughter,
Speaker 1: who is eleven, and a conversation they had about when
Speaker 1: she wants to have babies.
Speaker 6: So she's seen she wants to have a baby, And
Speaker 6: I said, when do you think you'll have your first child?
Speaker 6: When you turn eighteen? Oh okay, and she don't want
Speaker 6: to be supportive of whatever. Yeah, yeah, no one playing
Speaker 6: any seeds that I'd be judgmental or whatever. And she said, no, eighteen,
Speaker 6: what do you think? I really? And I said, my
Speaker 6: guess is between thirty five and forty five is when
Speaker 6: I think you'll have kids. I said, and I think
Speaker 6: if you want to, we'll freeze your eggs when you're eighteen.
Speaker 6: You know, like, wow, I'll pay I'll pay free to
Speaker 6: get your eggs frozen, so you don't have to think
Speaker 6: about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now the internet is mad about this conversation. General sample
Speaker 1: of the feedback is ew they seem to think it's creepy.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's creepy, but anyway, my question is
Speaker 1: not about that so much more like with technological advances
Speaker 1: in fertility. Oh my god, this is back to friction
Speaker 1: maxing again.
Speaker 2: Isn't it?
Speaker 1: Does that? Or should that change the way we talk
Speaker 1: to kids about families? And if you're a parent and
Speaker 1: you can afford it, is it a thoughtful gift to
Speaker 1: freeze somebody's eggs on their eighteenth birthday? Or should it
Speaker 1: be a bit more freeze your own freaking eggs love?
Speaker 3: Or should it be a bit more friction maxing? Like
Speaker 3: having kids is friction maxing?
Speaker 1: How like there's nothing but friction.
Speaker 3: There's nothing but friction. Give the girl some friction.
Speaker 2: But gen z aren't having sex.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they could do it in a lab. That's
Speaker 3: so true. My first instinct was that I hated this look.
Speaker 3: Having listened to it, I think sometimes comments like this
Speaker 3: are a conversation starter. I don't think it's creepy. I
Speaker 3: don't think that that's fair. But I bristled at the
Speaker 3: use of we will freeze your eggs, because to suggest
Speaker 3: that it isn't an invasive, and people who have gone
Speaker 3: through it will either consider it invasive or not. But
Speaker 3: it's a serious thing to do, like it has side
Speaker 3: effects and hormonally, you know, bloating and headaches and all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff you go on to general anesthetic.
Speaker 3: I think we can treat some of these procedures as
Speaker 3: though you just click your fingers and it's done, like
Speaker 3: it is a big decision. And the other thing I
Speaker 3: didn't understand in what Dax was saying was it he
Speaker 3: was like, do you want to do it at eighteen? No, well,
Speaker 3: I guess it'll be thirty five. What's for seventeen years
Speaker 3: in between? Christian Bell had her babies at thirty three
Speaker 3: and thirty four or whatever, even if she decided to
Speaker 3: have them at thirty five, like she probably could.
Speaker 1: I just thought, I think the point is is they're
Speaker 1: just saying as an insurance policy so that you can
Speaker 1: live your life in whatever way you want to with
Speaker 1: a perceived we have to say, a perceived safety net
Speaker 1: about when you may not want to have kids. Is
Speaker 1: it a generous act for a parent who can afford it,
Speaker 1: In the same way they might help you with a
Speaker 1: deposit for a house, or might help you buy your
Speaker 1: first car or whatever. Is it now being seen as
Speaker 1: a generous act to a female child to go, I'm
Speaker 1: going to buy you some fertilite freedom.
Speaker 2: And I've died to the car of this.
Speaker 4: I remember when I think I was twenty two, and
Speaker 4: this is quite a personal story. I had a really
Speaker 4: bad relationship with alcohol. Like I was one of those
Speaker 4: kids at the minute you could start drinking. I was
Speaker 4: drinking and I was twenty two, and I went to
Speaker 4: the doctor and like, my blood works were all over
Speaker 4: the place. He was genuinely concerned, and he said, if
Speaker 4: you keep up with this lifestyle, you won't be able
Speaker 4: to have kids.
Speaker 2: Really, and as a doctor, and.
Speaker 1: I dread to think what a doctor would have said
Speaker 1: to me at twenty two.
Speaker 4: My face was literally just like okay. And then he
Speaker 4: realized that that was not the reaction he thought. He
Speaker 4: thought I would be crying on the ground, and I
Speaker 4: was like, there's no way, I mean, thinking about kids
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 2: I could have kids right now.
Speaker 4: And I remember that conversation so deeply because even now,
Speaker 4: as a twenty nine year old, I would.
Speaker 2: Most likely still have the same reaction. I'd be like okay, because.
Speaker 1: It's not on your radar. It's not what he was saying.
Speaker 1: I mean. And again the speciicifity, specicificity specificity, thank God
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Of this conversation is not really the point.
Speaker 1: But what he was kind of saying he started off saying,
Speaker 1: is that if my two daughters, one of them is
Speaker 1: really maternal, she always carries toys everywhere, she really talks
Speaker 1: about wanting to have a baby. So he's not like
Speaker 1: just going and the other one not so much.
Speaker 2: But like so was I when I was He lie.
Speaker 1: Of course, it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 1: But I think the point is, is it an act
Speaker 1: of generosity? Is whether you want to have a baby
Speaker 1: or not have a baby. With everything that we know
Speaker 1: now that we didn't know before and the technology of
Speaker 1: it being available, can you see a world where more
Speaker 1: parents are doing that?
Speaker 3: I think it's generosity If they ask if money is
Speaker 3: a hurdle and it is really expensive, and that is
Speaker 3: something that you're looking towards. Doctors generally do not advise
Speaker 3: that twenty year olds freeze their eggs, But if you were,
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit later in life, and it
Speaker 3: was something you really wanted to do and your parents
Speaker 3: had the means, I think then it would be generous.
Speaker 3: I worry that if it becomes the status quo or
Speaker 3: something that privileged people, very privileged people do for their children,
Speaker 3: then it actually reinforces the biological clock sense of urgency. Paradoxically,
Speaker 3: it says, if you're not going to have them at eighteen,
Speaker 3: you better freeze your eggs.
Speaker 1: That would make me panic. It made me feel a bit.
Speaker 1: I haven't even considered having a conversation like this with
Speaker 1: my daughter. Not to get too personal about my daughter,
Speaker 1: but like I just I don't know, but maybe that's irresponsible.
Speaker 1: This is one of the things about parenting in all
Speaker 1: its different ways, is that you're supposed to have prepared
Speaker 1: them for all eventualities. And why didn't your mom ever
Speaker 1: tell you about that? And why didn't someone ever tell
Speaker 1: you about that?
Speaker 3: And you're like, because your frontal lobe hadn't developed and
Speaker 3: it's not on your radar.
Speaker 1: And also you just think, well, aren't there things you
Speaker 1: meant to figure out for yourself? This is an example
Speaker 1: if it is a thing that people are doing, you know,
Speaker 1: as I said, in the same way that parents of
Speaker 1: means can smooth the path for their kids in a
Speaker 1: way in lots of areas of life right that parents
Speaker 1: who don't have means can't. This is a classic snowplow
Speaker 1: parenting maneuver, right. Is that's literally they say, I want
Speaker 1: to raise any obstacle you might find. So saying I
Speaker 1: want to give you an insurance policy about whatever life
Speaker 1: choices you might make. You might never use them, but
Speaker 1: you might use them is a classic snowplow move right,
Speaker 1: and it's snowplow parenting good like as in do you
Speaker 1: expect it? Do you expect your parents to make your
Speaker 1: adult life easier?
Speaker 4: I just think with the whole egg freezing, I mean
Speaker 4: similar to what Jesse says, if it was something that
Speaker 4: you would get maybe when you're old enough you feel like, okay,
Speaker 4: I want to start having kids, and then your parents
Speaker 4: are like, well, we've actually put all this money aside
Speaker 4: for you to freeze your eggs. I think that is generous.
Speaker 4: But if you're going to an eighteen year old saying
Speaker 4: we should freeze your eggs now because this is when
Speaker 4: you have the most eggs, and then the eighteen year
Speaker 4: old has to go through the process of freezing their eggs,
Speaker 4: which is still quite an invasive process when they're still
Speaker 4: like developing. When suggesting that you force it on them though, no,
Speaker 4: but like it's even putting the thought in their head.
Speaker 4: And then if we get to the point where your
Speaker 4: friends are doing it when they're eighteen, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I guess that's something I should be doing, I kind
Speaker 4: of even it just feels like it's so colloquial, all
Speaker 4: like going back to the days where it was seen
Speaker 4: as a burden to have a daughter because you're ending
Speaker 4: up spending so much money on her.
Speaker 2: I feel like that we're.
Speaker 3: Going to yeah, yeah, we all know that, Like, is
Speaker 3: there a sadder kid than the kid who was given everything?
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't end well often. And I remember having
Speaker 3: this same reaction a few years ago when Mindy Kaling
Speaker 3: came out and said, I wish every nineteen year old
Speaker 3: girl would come home from college and that the gift,
Speaker 3: instead of buying them jewelry or a vacation or whatever,
Speaker 3: is that their parents would take them to freeze there.
Speaker 3: She said the same thing. She said, use your twenties
Speaker 3: and thirties to focus on your career and love. Have
Speaker 3: children basically when you're emotionally ready. And I understand what
Speaker 3: she's saying because the pressure is so disproportionately on women.
Speaker 3: But there's also this idea that like children end your life, right,
Speaker 3: It's kind of like life has to be lived in
Speaker 3: these stages where you go, let them be young and
Speaker 3: they're gonna forge their career and achieve everything they want
Speaker 3: to do, and then when you're finished with that, you
Speaker 3: can finally have children. And like, as if life is
Speaker 3: something you can plan out that.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and you know, I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of the fact that you can't. And I'm always
Speaker 1: saying that, like I think you know people who make
Speaker 1: too many plans and assumptions about what chapters of their
Speaker 1: lives will look like, like this is the years I'll
Speaker 1: do this, and this is the years I'll do that.
Speaker 1: Like that's rarely the way it works out, but I
Speaker 1: can see a world where it might feel almost like
Speaker 1: a feminist parental act to go, I want my daughters
Speaker 1: to have a fertility freedom that wasn't available to my generation,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I'm not necessary. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I would do that or that I particularly
Speaker 1: think it's a great idea, but I can see the
Speaker 1: perspective which is that maybe she never wants to have kids,
Speaker 1: maybe she wants to have kids when she's twenty one,
Speaker 1: Like who cares, that's entirely her business. But giving her
Speaker 1: the freedom that her brother has because arguably he does.
Speaker 1: Like I know, I know, that's a complicated thing to say,
Speaker 1: because we would expect that he would be involved in
Speaker 1: any child rearing situation. But let's be honest, his life
Speaker 1: would not be impacted and derailed, perhaps or enriched in
Speaker 1: the same way that I can see how it could
Speaker 1: seem like a feminist parental statement to go like I'm
Speaker 1: buying you fertility freedom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think the wording has to be correct
Speaker 4: on that because in my head, if my parents were
Speaker 4: to say, we put all this money aside for you
Speaker 4: to freeze your eggs, even if they said it like
Speaker 4: if you want to have kids.
Speaker 2: Can have a holiday instead, can I can I please
Speaker 2: go away?
Speaker 4: In my head I had just been thinking, oh, they
Speaker 4: want to have grandkids and that will in a badly
Speaker 4: influence my choice choice.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is a clear marker of value, I suppose, Like,
Speaker 3: are you saying two an eleven year old? One of
Speaker 3: the most important things is the freedom for you to
Speaker 3: have children, whether or not you believe that. And maybe
Speaker 3: that's true, maybe that is true for that family, But
Speaker 3: I just think it's a lot to put on a
Speaker 3: child who, you know, by that age, I hadn't even
Speaker 3: had a period, like I hadn't waste did one ag gift.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's putting it on her. He just
Speaker 1: was talking about it, like, you know what. I mean
Speaker 1: to be a little bit defensive of that, because I
Speaker 1: think people have a lot of opinions about what you
Speaker 1: should talk to kids about when only you know your kid,
Speaker 1: and what conversations have right, And I think it's a
Speaker 1: different thing if they're going in our family when we're eighteen,
Speaker 1: we freeze our rex. I think that that would be
Speaker 1: quite strange.
Speaker 2: After the break.
Speaker 4: Our recos for the week, including a very friction maxing
Speaker 4: one from me.
Speaker 3: Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of Mummy
Speaker 3: out Loud just for Mummy A subscribers. Follow the link
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Speaker 4: Vibes ideas, Autosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 2: This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 4: It is Friday, and we want to help set up
Speaker 4: your weekend with our very best recommendations.
Speaker 2: Who wants to go first? Jesse?
Speaker 3: Jesse, I'm going to go first because i read a
Speaker 3: bunch of books over the break. I've got a list
Speaker 3: in my phone of all the ones I've been told
Speaker 3: to read, and then was anyone else inundated with best
Speaker 3: reads of twenty twenty five tiles on Instagram, and so
Speaker 3: I kept screenshotting them, and then I just went, all right,
Speaker 3: I've got to read Heart the Lover. It appeared in
Speaker 3: everyone whose opinion I respect. They said this was my
Speaker 3: book of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: And I sat.
Speaker 3: Down and I read it, and it was just stunning.
Speaker 3: It was one of those books that I'll always remember
Speaker 3: having read it. It's an experience. It's sort of in
Speaker 3: two parts. The first is about first love and university
Speaker 3: and the intensity of that experience, and then the second
Speaker 3: is almost a midlife reflection on it.
Speaker 2: How everything's changed. Oobulous.
Speaker 3: It's so difficult to even explain why it's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's Who's it?
Speaker 3: It is by Lily King, who's written I think about
Speaker 3: nine books. I've read another book by her called Writers
Speaker 3: and Lovers. After you read Heart the Lover, read that
Speaker 3: them related, but you don't need to have read one before.
Speaker 3: But it's quite literary, Like the writing is really really beautiful,
Speaker 3: and I will be thinking about that book for such
Speaker 3: a long time. Oh my god, I love that Heart
Speaker 3: the Lover by Lily King do it.
Speaker 1: I did not do a lot of reading in the
Speaker 1: holidays because I was writing, so all my moments when
Speaker 1: I was meant to be reading, I was writing. I
Speaker 1: did reread Wathering Heights.
Speaker 2: We're going to discuss that when Weathering Heights comes.
Speaker 1: When does that a few great books? It's February. I
Speaker 1: know that in the US and in the Northern Hemisphere
Speaker 1: it's coming out for Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2: I have many thoughts about that.
Speaker 1: But so because of the nature of that part of
Speaker 1: my summer, I am just going to recommend another glowy
Speaker 1: skin product because I recommended well before the holidays and
Speaker 1: out louders liked it.
Speaker 2: People love your recommendations.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is my thing. All I want
Speaker 1: to look like is like I've been mainlining broccoli and
Speaker 1: sleeping well and let's be honest, neither. So the foundation
Speaker 1: I recommended at the end of last year, it was
Speaker 1: an exy they did, and lots of out ladders talking
Speaker 1: about it, which is great, but it was an exy,
Speaker 1: exy treat. This is not an exy treat, so it's
Speaker 1: good for the new year budget. Laurel Loomy Glosian. I
Speaker 1: never heard of this one, so it's not really a foundation.
Speaker 1: It's like a tinted moisturizer. But I just put it
Speaker 1: where I need it. So the way that I do
Speaker 1: my face these days, probably influenced by lots of people
Speaker 1: on the internet, is instead of necessarily just getting my
Speaker 1: foundation and slapping it everywhere, I'll be a bit more
Speaker 1: like strategic strategic, and maybe I will put my foundation on,
Speaker 1: but then I'll put a bit something a bit glowy
Speaker 1: on my cheeks, or maybe I'll just put concealer and
Speaker 1: then you know, over the holidays, I'm not sitting around
Speaker 1: a full face of foundation, but suddenly you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to go somewhere, so instead it's just a
Speaker 1: bit of anyway. Paula Joy was wearing this product when
Speaker 1: she came into I interviewed her last year about the
Speaker 1: grief of losing her mom, and she was really glowy
Speaker 1: and when she left, I said, what's with this glowiness?
Speaker 1: And she said, Laurel loomy gloi and I was like, right.
Speaker 1: I put a note in my phone forgot all about it.
Speaker 2: Then I was in a price line recently.
Speaker 1: It's twenty bucks, Like it's not expensive at all. I
Speaker 1: got it. I love it. I put it on my
Speaker 1: cheeks and a bit on my forehead. You just like glowing.
Speaker 1: But it is a tinted boystrizer, so you could put
Speaker 1: it everywhere if.
Speaker 2: That's your vibe.
Speaker 1: So you don't wear it with a foundation if you want, okay,
Speaker 1: you could put some foundation on and then you could
Speaker 1: put a bit of this on, or you could just
Speaker 1: wear this or you know, like put it where you
Speaker 1: want it.
Speaker 2: I play want it.
Speaker 1: It's if you want a bit of shine, because it
Speaker 1: is quite glowy. Like it's very glowy. And you don't
Speaker 1: always want to be glowy everywhere, yeap, but you can
Speaker 1: be because it is officially a tinted moisturizer. So and
Speaker 1: it comes in lots of shades, as loreal things do.
Speaker 1: And it's twenty dollars and that is my record.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: At the beginning of this year, before we came back
Speaker 4: to work, I went on a little bit of a escape.
Speaker 4: I went to one of those tiny homes where they
Speaker 4: don't really disclose the location.
Speaker 2: Until the day off.
Speaker 4: Oh, I loved it, and then follow like a little
Speaker 4: physical map.
Speaker 1: That's friction maxing.
Speaker 2: Was friction maxing?
Speaker 3: What was it like? Did you enjoy it?
Speaker 2: Okay, it was really nice.
Speaker 4: Being at the place was really really nice, but it
Speaker 4: was so friction maxing.
Speaker 2: Where I had to talk about it.
Speaker 4: I had to hike from my car with all my
Speaker 4: stuff to the cabin and it was down this really
Speaker 4: really steep hill and the whole thing was friction maxing.
Speaker 2: Including the toilet.
Speaker 4: And the only issue I had was like I have
Speaker 4: to have a coffee every morning, Like that's my one thing.
Speaker 4: I know they say it's bad to have coffee the
Speaker 4: minute you wake up, but it's my one joy and
Speaker 4: I'm never giving it up.
Speaker 1: I prize it from my cold dead hands.
Speaker 3: When I did a hike through Tasmania that I was
Speaker 3: really looking forward to, I had to send an inquiry. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I need a coffee, and also like not just
Speaker 3: any coffee, like I need a good like zere Berustar.
Speaker 4: A small flat white I couldn't get a small, light,
Speaker 4: flat white. I'm a little cabin But they had this
Speaker 4: little pot that I thought was like a French decoration
Speaker 4: because I've seen it movies. And then I realized, Oh,
Speaker 4: they expect me to make coffee in this little pot.
Speaker 4: A MoCAA is that what it's called? Now, it's a moka.
Speaker 2: I only love moccas. I mean moccas all the time.
Speaker 2: They make it. I've got a moca necklace. Look at
Speaker 2: my MoCCA necklace. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I okay, I got it for my birthday.
Speaker 4: I'm a convert because I made this coffee. I figured
Speaker 4: out how to make it. I've never been so proud
Speaker 4: of myself of making this coffee that took ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Need paper, no tell tell Okay.
Speaker 2: So this was like a lot of them I've never
Speaker 2: never made. You've never embraced.
Speaker 1: You need a stove.
Speaker 2: You need a stove, all right.
Speaker 4: You need a stove and hot water, so you need
Speaker 4: like it felt like I was an escape room. So
Speaker 4: I was like, something's missing. And then I was like,
Speaker 4: oh wait, there's coffee beans. But the coffee beans can't
Speaker 4: go straight in. And then I was like, oh wait,
Speaker 4: there's a coffee grinder there grind the beans physically, a
Speaker 4: reception to ask GPT how to make I had reception,
Speaker 4: but I was doing the whole no, no, but I
Speaker 4: did have to kind of turn it on for one bar.
Speaker 2: To watch a YouTube video.
Speaker 4: But I only did it once. I only did it once,
Speaker 4: and then I remember, put the water in. You put
Speaker 4: the water, You put water in, then you put the
Speaker 4: coffee grinds, and then you put on the stovetop and
Speaker 4: then you check it. Jesse, It's like magic because somehow
Speaker 4: the water from the bottom comes to the top with
Speaker 4: the coffee across.
Speaker 1: The coffee pot.
Speaker 2: In your life.
Speaker 1: It is so the European thing because I acker on
Speaker 1: the stove at home, smells smells so good.
Speaker 2: And the coffee tastes amazing.
Speaker 4: I honestly thought whenever I saw these pots it was
Speaker 4: decoration only, like I didn't actually think anything happened in there.
Speaker 4: But then I came home immediately ordered one from my uncle.
Speaker 1: I got and then this is so weird because I
Speaker 1: got my mock at necklace. But I also got a
Speaker 1: new moker for Christmas and rent a red one because
Speaker 1: our market we always have a mocka often have a
Speaker 1: little one for making one coffee and a big one
Speaker 1: for making lots. And what you do this is what
Speaker 1: the posh people do in front. Teach me. Leave the
Speaker 1: lid open, like as it bubbles up, and then as
Speaker 1: it starts coming out, you close the lid, turn the
Speaker 1: heat right down and it will slowly come out and
Speaker 1: it'll be a bit creamy. And then so you put
Speaker 1: whatever milk you want in it. But it's strong coffee.
Speaker 1: It is heaven right, so oh no you don't put
Speaker 1: the milk in.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, It's like it's changed my life and
Speaker 4: it makes them you know, so friction vaccine because you
Speaker 4: spend ten minutes to it is and you know you
Speaker 4: were talking about before the break, you're talking about making
Speaker 4: your house smell nice.
Speaker 1: It's a classic maneuver for that. You put a mocker
Speaker 1: on the stove. It makes your house smell lovely, and
Speaker 1: anyone who walks in is like, I'd like to pay
Speaker 1: lots of money for this house.
Speaker 2: Please, Oh, incredible one.
Speaker 1: Oh we have to post pictures of our mockers. I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: Okay, we've had we've maxed.
Speaker 1: A lot of friction today. Out louders, please tell us
Speaker 1: your recommendations for Friction Maxing Joy. Before we go for
Speaker 1: the week, we do have to tell you about subs
Speaker 1: and what happened this week. Big deal, Hey Jesse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yesterday's subscriber episode is with Maya and you
Speaker 3: two talking about Heated Rivalry, the biggest show of the
Speaker 3: summer that everyone's yelling at me about, and also Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift's end of an era to a documentary that's the
Speaker 3: sixth part of that dropped Maya was desperate to discuss.
Speaker 3: There's a link to that episode in the show notes
Speaker 3: and a reminder as well, Summer book Club. We are
Speaker 3: reading Mala Luka. I did read that over the That
Speaker 3: was if we weren't doing it for Summer book Club,
Speaker 3: that would have been recommend recomendation, recommendations. Seriously, one of
Speaker 3: the best books I've read in a long time. I
Speaker 3: am so so into it. It's like I'm excited to
Speaker 3: get into bed to just like keep going. It's great.
Speaker 3: So it is mal Luca by Angie Fay Martin. Make
Speaker 3: sure you are reading along with us because we are
Speaker 3: dropping that episode at the end of the month. That's
Speaker 3: part of our Summer book Club series. Thanks to Royal Caribbean,
Speaker 3: And in case you missed it, our last episode of
Speaker 3: Summer Book Club was all about Emily Henry's book Great, Big,
Speaker 3: Beautiful Life. There is a link to that in our
Speaker 3: show notes.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here with us all week out
Speaker 1: loud As. We are very happy to be back in
Speaker 1: your ears.
Speaker 2: We have some big thank yous to do.
Speaker 4: A big thank you to our team group executive producer
Speaker 4: Rude Divine, executive producer Sasha Tanic.
Speaker 3: Our senior audio producer is Leah Porges, our video producer
Speaker 3: is Josh Green, and our junior content producer is Tessa Kodovich. Goodbye,
Speaker 3: bye bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the
Speaker 3: land on which we have recorded this podcast.