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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Hello and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Mom and Mia out Loud. It's what women are

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Speaker 1: actually talking about on Friday, the sixteenth of January.

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Speaker 2: I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm EMM Burnham.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 1: And here's what's on our agenda for today, the last

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Speaker 1: episode of our first full week of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's been great.

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Speaker 1: Today I'm bringing us the latest stupid thing that a

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Speaker 1: celebrity dad said that I've said everybody, what was it?

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Speaker 2: Stupid? That's what we are going to unpack.

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Speaker 4: Yes, plus us our eCos that we've been loving over

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Speaker 4: the break.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to share mine with you.

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Speaker 3: And apparently twenty twenty six is the year of friction maxing.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? And some of us already doing it?

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Speaker 4: But first, in case you miss it, we have been

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Speaker 4: doing Sundays wrong the French.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing it right.

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Speaker 1: Of course they have, because the French do things right.

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Speaker 4: I recently came across an article in this Zoe report

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Speaker 4: that pretty much said that we should be adopting the

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Speaker 4: French Sunday also known as the demoche.

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Speaker 3: Ah, you looked that up.

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Speaker 2: I did look at that. I was the word for this.

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Speaker 1: French out louders and out loud as French to say,

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Speaker 1: may we apologize, may we apologize, especially if chat gpt.

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Speaker 2: Completely lied and I mean something completely different.

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Speaker 4: So it's the idea that Sundays are meant to be lazy,

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Speaker 4: stress free, filled with doing nothing. We don't do that

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Speaker 4: over here. Sundays are for admin they're for doing our taxes,

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Speaker 4: they're for doing our shopping, meal prepping.

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Speaker 2: Meal prepping.

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Speaker 4: And this is why we need to adopt the French

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Speaker 4: Sunday because now in France, Sundays are seen as like

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Speaker 4: a day to enjoy during the week, not a day

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Speaker 3: And they have always seen the day as sacred. I

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Speaker 3: saw that from like nineteen oh six or something. It

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Speaker 3: was enshrined in law that you can't open your shop,

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Speaker 3: which has Christian roots, Catholic roots, but it's also got

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Speaker 3: roots in like the union movement, and was like you

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Speaker 3: can't force someone to work a Sunday, whereas the rest

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Speaker 3: of like you know, London is buzzing on a Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Everything's open, go out to lunch, go out and like

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Speaker 3: enjoy yourself. But I kind of love the idea that

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Speaker 3: the entire country takes a deep breath, the ideas that

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Speaker 1: I get anxious on Sundays as the morning wears on.

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Speaker 1: I start going all the things I've got to do right,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, so I need to reset my mind. I

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Speaker 1: looked at the list of how to have a French Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to hear one?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: What it involves, so wake up late and maybe by

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Speaker 3: I liked a bit about the chroissant.

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Speaker 2: That was nice.

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Speaker 1: Do not touch a to do list in any way.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy some gentle self care. Brush your hair slowly, put

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Speaker 3: This is all sounding a lot like it do list.

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Speaker 1: Take off the pajamas and leggings unless they're ears, which

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Speaker 1: is I think a fancy brand. Apparently you're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to slob around, even though this is French lazy Sunday,

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Speaker 1: we're not slobbing. Apparently you're allowed to wear a cotton

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you're allowed to wear. Her breathe.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna this isn't gonna work with you. But take

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Speaker 1: off the pajamas and leggings, have a proper Sunday chicken roast,

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Speaker 1: and forget about brunch forever. Apparently brunch is seen as

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Speaker 1: being quite stressy and like, you know.

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Speaker 2: To be seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also like you've got to be there

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Speaker 4: And then if it's bottomless brand, you're like, I need

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Speaker 3: Exactly, which is really actually stressful. I also read Make Love.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was on the list. It says, pretend all

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Speaker 3: Which, again it's sounding to do listing, but.

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Speaker 2: It's like non strenuous to do list.

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Speaker 1: Non streous love, a very specific kind of sex on

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Speaker 1: some there maybe just starfish it yeah, easy.

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Speaker 2: Like Sunday, as easy as possible.

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Speaker 1: I'll just be lying here, thank you. I really I

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Speaker 1: But the problem with this is like who's cooking the

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know very many women who find cooking

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Speaker 3: No, and then I saw like, oh, I just take

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Speaker 2: Ah, wait till the shops are open. Then you just

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Speaker 2: get the bachelor's handbag and you bring it.

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Speaker 1: That's true a barbecue chalk. I think we should reclaim

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Speaker 1: our day of rest.

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Speaker 3: Have we eliminated too much friction from our lives? There

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Speaker 3: was an essay published in The Cut over the Break

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Speaker 3: called in twenty twenty six, we are friction maxing, and

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Speaker 3: the argument goes that tech companies have led us to

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Speaker 3: all of it is simply inconvenience. These are all frictions

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Speaker 3: which tech companies have designed the ability to eliminate, and

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Speaker 3: deep down we know that eliminating every inconvenience in our

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Speaker 3: lives is bad for us. It feels bad for us,

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Speaker 3: yet we all do it.

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Speaker 3: Writer Catherine jess and Morton says she is building up

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Speaker 3: tolerance for inconvenience. That is what her year is all about.

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Speaker 3: No more using chat GPT, saying I've got a few

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Speaker 3: She says she is inviting people to her house, but

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Speaker 3: She wants to ask a friend for advice rather than

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Speaker 3: the internet. What do we think about this? Because on

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Speaker 3: the surface, I read this article and it really impacted me,

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Speaker 3: is just about making your life a bit harder. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but there's something to it that feels important and meaningful.

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Speaker 3: Is twenty twenty six the year we lean more into friction?

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Speaker 2: What do we think?

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I loved this article. The opening

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Speaker 1: par is really as you've said it's about. She talks

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Speaker 1: about how tech companies have erased all of our little frictions,

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Speaker 1: and she says reading is boring, talking is awkward, moving

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Speaker 1: Interacting with strangers is scary, Risking an unexpected reaction from

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Speaker 1: someone isn't worth it. Speaking at all overrated. These are

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Speaker 1: all frictions that we can now eliminate easily, and we do.

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Speaker 1: According to the emergent ideology of Silicon Valley. Most people

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Speaker 1: would prefer not to be human. They've demonstrated this through

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Speaker 1: their revealed preferences in the way that they use the apps.

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Speaker 1: They're being sold that is so true because the culture,

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Speaker 1: and I know it's not necessarily true on an individual

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Speaker 1: that all of those things, anything that is a tiny

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Speaker 1: bit inconvenient or unpredictable, should be eliminated. Yeah, because it's

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Speaker 3: And we know that to struggle against something is to imbue,

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Speaker 3: meaning like anything that is ultimately satisfying. Like I'm reading

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Speaker 3: years ago. Charlotte Wood is amazing, so good, and it's

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Speaker 3: because it's basically saying that creativity is about solving a

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Speaker 3: and that's why creativity is so satisfying. And creativity, I guess,

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Speaker 3: is the ultimate friction. All it is is friction. You're

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Speaker 3: coming up against something that's hard, and a lot of

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Speaker 3: these technologies offer even in our line of work, like

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of pressure to be using aibots or

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Speaker 3: whatever to come up with your.

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Speaker 2: Intro or your show notes.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever it is. But I always think of like

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Speaker 3: the great creatives like Michelangelo or whatever, where the struggle

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Speaker 2: And in that case, it's like the friction is kind

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Speaker 3: Point of living, right, m.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the idea of making a

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Speaker 1: deliberate attempt to make your life a bit harder.

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Speaker 4: It's really confronting. When I read this article, I felt

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Speaker 4: much of my life I've realized I've automated without actually

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Speaker 4: realizing I've been doing it. And I made a little

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Speaker 4: while did I do this? Wearing AirPods to go get lunch?

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Speaker 4: So no one talks to me, like in the elevator. Yes,

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Speaker 4: ordering uber eats on my way home while I'm in

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Speaker 4: an Uber Yes, I do it all the time, so

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Speaker 4: What I've been doing is I've been buying gifts for friends,

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Speaker 4: but without a card, because a card is too hard.

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Speaker 4: The gift part is easy because you order it online,

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Speaker 3: Just send it straight to the email address.

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Speaker 4: And then for me having to go outside of work

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Speaker 4: you to the gift too much.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, and it.

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Speaker 3: Actually hurts my hand to write the card too much.

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Speaker 4: I can learn how to write reading versus audio books.

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Speaker 2: For me, I feel like audiobooks.

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Speaker 4: Has changed so many people's lives and you can now

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Speaker 4: take so many different books. But for me, whenever I

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Speaker 4: like I'm always on my phone, I'm always cooking, And

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Speaker 4: then I realize I have no idea what this book

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's really interesting, because your list just there. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you should be in the least bit embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the whole point of this, is that

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Speaker 1: I realize that I have been friction maxing the last

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Speaker 1: has that made me happier? Are things better or whatever?

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Speaker 1: So for example, where I live, the shops close at

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Speaker 1: So if I run out of milk at seven o'clock,

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Speaker 2: my one maction maxing thing I do.

443
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Speaker 4: I do it when I clean, so I use an

444
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Speaker 4: oil cleanser because you don't want to be pulling your skin,

445
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Speaker 4: and then I just kind of give my face a

446
00:20:25,914 --> 00:20:28,034
Speaker 4: little massage. I did it just to make my face

447
00:20:28,074 --> 00:20:29,874
Speaker 4: feel nice, to treat it.

448
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Speaker 3: Do you notice, honestly a difference in how your face looks?

449
00:20:34,274 --> 00:20:36,234
Speaker 4: Not when I do it myself, but when I do

450
00:20:36,314 --> 00:20:39,194
Speaker 4: e lymphatic facial at my facial list, I notice a

451
00:20:39,354 --> 00:20:44,154
Speaker 4: huge really yeah, my cheekbones are like jutted out, and

452
00:20:44,234 --> 00:20:46,794
Speaker 4: like my jawl line is like crisp.

453
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Speaker 2: It's so weird.

454
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Speaker 4: And I've had friends do it and we'd always take

455
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Speaker 4: before and after photos of like before the facial after facial,

456
00:20:52,674 --> 00:20:54,114
Speaker 4: and it's wild.

457
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Speaker 3: Because I'm feeling a bit puffy this stage of pregnancy.

458
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Speaker 3: You get a bit puffy around the face.

459
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Speaker 2: Face brush shawl.

460
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Speaker 3: I think I need to start doing a face.

461
00:21:01,394 --> 00:21:03,434
Speaker 2: Brush or just use your fingers.

462
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Speaker 4: So you get your two knuckles and you put them

463
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Speaker 4: on either side of your jaw and you up to

464
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Speaker 4: like where your ears and then down on your neck.

465
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Speaker 1: So they're not brushing their faces for hair reason. No,

466
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Speaker 1: I know Gwin has always been into dry brushing. That's

467
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Speaker 1: a similar vibe. And why do we dry brush for

468
00:21:20,794 --> 00:21:21,513
Speaker 1: the same reason.

469
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Speaker 2: It's about.

470
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Speaker 1: And you brush up to heart too long? That takes

471
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Speaker 1: a while. I was going to say, how much time

472
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Speaker 1: are we spending on the.

473
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Speaker 4: Oh, like a few minutes, not that long. I don't

474
00:21:32,554 --> 00:21:34,273
Speaker 4: have that too much. Face brushes are in all of

475
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Speaker 4: our futures.

476
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Speaker 2: Out louders.

477
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Speaker 1: In a moment, a famous man has made an offer

478
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Speaker 1: to his eleven year old daughter.

479
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Speaker 2: That's freaked a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Out out louders.

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Speaker 5: It's Miya, in case you missed it, I am back

482
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Speaker 5: on subscriber episodes Tuesday and Thursday all year, and I

483
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Speaker 5: wanted to tell you what I spoke about this week

484
00:22:00,034 --> 00:22:04,073
Speaker 5: with Holly and Jesse. We spoke about on Tuesday, very

485
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Speaker 5: emotional conversation, very candid, honest conversation about why I decided

486
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Speaker 5: to leave, what the last couple of years has been

487
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Speaker 5: like behind the scenes for me and.

488
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Speaker 1: For all of us, and also why I decided.

489
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Speaker 2: To come back in this way.

490
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Speaker 5: So that's Tuesday, and then on Thursday, for a complete

491
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Speaker 5: change of pace, heated rivalry, the Smutty Gay Hockey Show.

492
00:22:25,874 --> 00:22:28,954
Speaker 5: I'm obsessed with it, and Vernon joined that conversation, and

493
00:22:28,994 --> 00:22:33,754
Speaker 5: we also spoke about the Taylor Swift documentary. Have a listen,

494
00:22:33,874 --> 00:22:36,394
Speaker 5: there's a link in the show notes. You can get

495
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Speaker 5: me in your ears right now.

496
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Speaker 1: Look, I feel like I'm just mentioning Dak Shepherd every

497
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Speaker 1: five minutes, So I'm good.

498
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Speaker 4: You love this man.

499
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to get through the Dak shepherdness of

500
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Speaker 1: this story quickly because I think it's about something bigger.

501
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Speaker 3: Even I was interested in this and I'm not a

502
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Speaker 3: Dak Shepherd Stan in the way that you know, I know.

503
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Speaker 1: On Monday's Golden Globe show, we talked about how podcasts

504
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Speaker 1: are becoming more and more famous and the proliferation of

505
00:23:00,434 --> 00:23:03,914
Speaker 1: Dak Shepherd Kristen Bell stories very much an example of this.

506
00:23:04,234 --> 00:23:05,714
Speaker 1: And it used to be you could bang on on

507
00:23:05,714 --> 00:23:08,194
Speaker 1: the podcast, as we know, you could bang on a

508
00:23:08,234 --> 00:23:10,274
Speaker 1: podcast of all kinds of private things and no one

509
00:23:10,354 --> 00:23:13,754
Speaker 1: knew because the only people listening were like your friends,

510
00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:14,634
Speaker 1: like twenty people.

511
00:23:15,194 --> 00:23:17,154
Speaker 3: But now they can clip it up and put it

512
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Speaker 3: on tiptok and go. These people are mad.

513
00:23:19,274 --> 00:23:21,033
Speaker 1: And this is what happened to Dak Shepherd when he

514
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Speaker 1: talked about his eleven year old daughter's fertility journey. So

515
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Speaker 1: here's a little grab just for context. Again, the Dax

516
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Speaker 1: and Monica of this is not the important part. But

517
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Speaker 1: Dax is talking to his co host Monica Padman. They

518
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Speaker 1: have a bit of their show after the interview all

519
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Speaker 1: is where they just sort of talk about stuff, what's

520
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Speaker 1: been going on. And he is talking about his daughter,

521
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Speaker 1: who is eleven, and a conversation they had about when

522
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Speaker 1: she wants to have babies.

523
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Speaker 6: So she's seen she wants to have a baby, And

524
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Speaker 6: I said, when do you think you'll have your first child?

525
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Speaker 6: When you turn eighteen? Oh okay, and she don't want

526
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Speaker 6: to be supportive of whatever. Yeah, yeah, no one playing

527
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Speaker 6: any seeds that I'd be judgmental or whatever. And she said, no, eighteen,

528
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Speaker 6: what do you think? I really? And I said, my

529
00:24:01,834 --> 00:24:05,994
Speaker 6: guess is between thirty five and forty five is when

530
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Speaker 6: I think you'll have kids. I said, and I think

531
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Speaker 6: if you want to, we'll freeze your eggs when you're eighteen.

532
00:24:12,954 --> 00:24:15,714
Speaker 6: You know, like, wow, I'll pay I'll pay free to

533
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Speaker 6: get your eggs frozen, so you don't have to think

534
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Speaker 6: about that.

535
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

536
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Speaker 1: Now the internet is mad about this conversation. General sample

537
00:24:25,274 --> 00:24:29,154
Speaker 1: of the feedback is ew they seem to think it's creepy.

538
00:24:29,274 --> 00:24:32,914
Speaker 1: I don't think it's creepy, but anyway, my question is

539
00:24:32,954 --> 00:24:37,274
Speaker 1: not about that so much more like with technological advances

540
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Speaker 1: in fertility. Oh my god, this is back to friction

541
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Speaker 1: maxing again.

542
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Speaker 2: Isn't it?

543
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Speaker 1: Does that? Or should that change the way we talk

544
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Speaker 1: to kids about families? And if you're a parent and

545
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Speaker 1: you can afford it, is it a thoughtful gift to

546
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Speaker 1: freeze somebody's eggs on their eighteenth birthday? Or should it

547
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Speaker 1: be a bit more freeze your own freaking eggs love?

548
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Speaker 3: Or should it be a bit more friction maxing? Like

549
00:25:01,034 --> 00:25:03,794
Speaker 3: having kids is friction maxing?

550
00:25:03,994 --> 00:25:05,714
Speaker 1: How like there's nothing but friction.

551
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Speaker 3: There's nothing but friction. Give the girl some friction.

552
00:25:08,194 --> 00:25:09,474
Speaker 2: But gen z aren't having sex.

553
00:25:11,154 --> 00:25:12,914
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they could do it in a lab. That's

554
00:25:12,954 --> 00:25:16,754
Speaker 3: so true. My first instinct was that I hated this look.

555
00:25:16,834 --> 00:25:20,474
Speaker 3: Having listened to it, I think sometimes comments like this

556
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Speaker 3: are a conversation starter. I don't think it's creepy. I

557
00:25:23,074 --> 00:25:26,154
Speaker 3: don't think that that's fair. But I bristled at the

558
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Speaker 3: use of we will freeze your eggs, because to suggest

559
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Speaker 3: that it isn't an invasive, and people who have gone

560
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Speaker 3: through it will either consider it invasive or not. But

561
00:25:39,474 --> 00:25:42,714
Speaker 3: it's a serious thing to do, like it has side

562
00:25:42,714 --> 00:25:47,273
Speaker 3: effects and hormonally, you know, bloating and headaches and all

563
00:25:47,314 --> 00:25:49,194
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff you go on to general anesthetic.

564
00:25:49,674 --> 00:25:51,754
Speaker 3: I think we can treat some of these procedures as

565
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Speaker 3: though you just click your fingers and it's done, like

566
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Speaker 3: it is a big decision. And the other thing I

567
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Speaker 3: didn't understand in what Dax was saying was it he

568
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Speaker 3: was like, do you want to do it at eighteen? No, well,

569
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Speaker 3: I guess it'll be thirty five. What's for seventeen years

570
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Speaker 3: in between? Christian Bell had her babies at thirty three

571
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Speaker 3: and thirty four or whatever, even if she decided to

572
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Speaker 3: have them at thirty five, like she probably could.

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Speaker 1: I just thought, I think the point is is they're

574
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Speaker 1: just saying as an insurance policy so that you can

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Speaker 1: live your life in whatever way you want to with

576
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Speaker 1: a perceived we have to say, a perceived safety net

577
00:26:30,434 --> 00:26:34,154
Speaker 1: about when you may not want to have kids. Is

578
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Speaker 1: it a generous act for a parent who can afford it,

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Speaker 1: In the same way they might help you with a

580
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Speaker 1: deposit for a house, or might help you buy your

581
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Speaker 1: first car or whatever. Is it now being seen as

582
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Speaker 1: a generous act to a female child to go, I'm

583
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Speaker 1: going to buy you some fertilite freedom.

584
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Speaker 2: And I've died to the car of this.

585
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Speaker 4: I remember when I think I was twenty two, and

586
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Speaker 4: this is quite a personal story. I had a really

587
00:27:00,834 --> 00:27:03,754
Speaker 4: bad relationship with alcohol. Like I was one of those

588
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Speaker 4: kids at the minute you could start drinking. I was

589
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Speaker 4: drinking and I was twenty two, and I went to

590
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Speaker 4: the doctor and like, my blood works were all over

591
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Speaker 4: the place. He was genuinely concerned, and he said, if

592
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Speaker 4: you keep up with this lifestyle, you won't be able

593
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Speaker 4: to have kids.

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Speaker 2: Really, and as a doctor, and.

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Speaker 1: I dread to think what a doctor would have said

596
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Speaker 1: to me at twenty two.

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Speaker 4: My face was literally just like okay. And then he

598
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Speaker 4: realized that that was not the reaction he thought. He

599
00:27:28,754 --> 00:27:30,513
Speaker 4: thought I would be crying on the ground, and I

600
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Speaker 4: was like, there's no way, I mean, thinking about kids

601
00:27:32,434 --> 00:27:32,714
Speaker 4: right now.

602
00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:34,354
Speaker 2: I could have kids right now.

603
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Speaker 4: And I remember that conversation so deeply because even now,

604
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Speaker 4: as a twenty nine year old, I would.

605
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Speaker 2: Most likely still have the same reaction. I'd be like okay, because.

606
00:27:43,274 --> 00:27:46,034
Speaker 1: It's not on your radar. It's not what he was saying.

607
00:27:46,074 --> 00:27:50,914
Speaker 1: I mean. And again the speciicifity, specicificity specificity, thank God

608
00:27:51,114 --> 00:27:55,394
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Of this conversation is not really the point.

609
00:27:55,394 --> 00:27:57,314
Speaker 1: But what he was kind of saying he started off saying,

610
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Speaker 1: is that if my two daughters, one of them is

611
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Speaker 1: really maternal, she always carries toys everywhere, she really talks

612
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Speaker 1: about wanting to have a baby. So he's not like

613
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Speaker 1: just going and the other one not so much.

614
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Speaker 2: But like so was I when I was He lie.

615
00:28:06,634 --> 00:28:08,073
Speaker 1: Of course, it doesn't mean anything.

616
00:28:08,274 --> 00:28:08,834
Speaker 2: I get that.

617
00:28:08,914 --> 00:28:11,914
Speaker 1: But I think the point is, is it an act

618
00:28:11,954 --> 00:28:13,994
Speaker 1: of generosity? Is whether you want to have a baby

619
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Speaker 1: or not have a baby. With everything that we know

620
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Speaker 1: now that we didn't know before and the technology of

621
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Speaker 1: it being available, can you see a world where more

622
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Speaker 1: parents are doing that?

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Speaker 3: I think it's generosity If they ask if money is

624
00:28:28,914 --> 00:28:33,033
Speaker 3: a hurdle and it is really expensive, and that is

625
00:28:33,074 --> 00:28:36,794
Speaker 3: something that you're looking towards. Doctors generally do not advise

626
00:28:36,834 --> 00:28:41,274
Speaker 3: that twenty year olds freeze their eggs, But if you were,

627
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Speaker 3: you know, a little bit later in life, and it

628
00:28:44,714 --> 00:28:46,834
Speaker 3: was something you really wanted to do and your parents

629
00:28:46,834 --> 00:28:48,674
Speaker 3: had the means, I think then it would be generous.

630
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Speaker 3: I worry that if it becomes the status quo or

631
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Speaker 3: something that privileged people, very privileged people do for their children,

632
00:28:56,434 --> 00:29:02,874
Speaker 3: then it actually reinforces the biological clock sense of urgency. Paradoxically,

633
00:29:03,234 --> 00:29:05,194
Speaker 3: it says, if you're not going to have them at eighteen,

634
00:29:05,314 --> 00:29:06,674
Speaker 3: you better freeze your eggs.

635
00:29:07,234 --> 00:29:10,074
Speaker 1: That would make me panic. It made me feel a bit.

636
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Speaker 1: I haven't even considered having a conversation like this with

637
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Speaker 1: my daughter. Not to get too personal about my daughter,

638
00:29:16,794 --> 00:29:20,154
Speaker 1: but like I just I don't know, but maybe that's irresponsible.

639
00:29:20,194 --> 00:29:21,914
Speaker 1: This is one of the things about parenting in all

640
00:29:21,914 --> 00:29:24,034
Speaker 1: its different ways, is that you're supposed to have prepared

641
00:29:24,034 --> 00:29:26,074
Speaker 1: them for all eventualities. And why didn't your mom ever

642
00:29:26,114 --> 00:29:27,914
Speaker 1: tell you about that? And why didn't someone ever tell

643
00:29:27,954 --> 00:29:28,394
Speaker 1: you about that?

644
00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:30,794
Speaker 3: And you're like, because your frontal lobe hadn't developed and

645
00:29:30,834 --> 00:29:31,954
Speaker 3: it's not on your radar.

646
00:29:31,834 --> 00:29:34,994
Speaker 1: And also you just think, well, aren't there things you

647
00:29:35,114 --> 00:29:37,874
Speaker 1: meant to figure out for yourself? This is an example

648
00:29:37,954 --> 00:29:40,114
Speaker 1: if it is a thing that people are doing, you know,

649
00:29:40,474 --> 00:29:42,594
Speaker 1: as I said, in the same way that parents of

650
00:29:42,714 --> 00:29:45,154
Speaker 1: means can smooth the path for their kids in a

651
00:29:45,154 --> 00:29:48,354
Speaker 1: way in lots of areas of life right that parents

652
00:29:48,354 --> 00:29:51,914
Speaker 1: who don't have means can't. This is a classic snowplow

653
00:29:52,274 --> 00:29:55,834
Speaker 1: parenting maneuver, right. Is that's literally they say, I want

654
00:29:55,874 --> 00:30:00,514
Speaker 1: to raise any obstacle you might find. So saying I

655
00:30:00,554 --> 00:30:03,434
Speaker 1: want to give you an insurance policy about whatever life

656
00:30:03,514 --> 00:30:05,274
Speaker 1: choices you might make. You might never use them, but

657
00:30:05,314 --> 00:30:09,114
Speaker 1: you might use them is a classic snowplow move right,

658
00:30:09,154 --> 00:30:11,914
Speaker 1: and it's snowplow parenting good like as in do you

659
00:30:11,994 --> 00:30:14,394
Speaker 1: expect it? Do you expect your parents to make your

660
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Speaker 1: adult life easier?

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Speaker 4: I just think with the whole egg freezing, I mean

662
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Speaker 4: similar to what Jesse says, if it was something that

663
00:30:22,274 --> 00:30:25,434
Speaker 4: you would get maybe when you're old enough you feel like, okay,

664
00:30:25,434 --> 00:30:27,714
Speaker 4: I want to start having kids, and then your parents

665
00:30:27,754 --> 00:30:29,794
Speaker 4: are like, well, we've actually put all this money aside

666
00:30:29,874 --> 00:30:32,714
Speaker 4: for you to freeze your eggs. I think that is generous.

667
00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:34,594
Speaker 4: But if you're going to an eighteen year old saying

668
00:30:34,594 --> 00:30:36,434
Speaker 4: we should freeze your eggs now because this is when

669
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Speaker 4: you have the most eggs, and then the eighteen year

670
00:30:38,074 --> 00:30:40,754
Speaker 4: old has to go through the process of freezing their eggs,

671
00:30:40,874 --> 00:30:44,274
Speaker 4: which is still quite an invasive process when they're still

672
00:30:44,314 --> 00:30:48,674
Speaker 4: like developing. When suggesting that you force it on them though, no,

673
00:30:48,874 --> 00:30:51,274
Speaker 4: but like it's even putting the thought in their head.

674
00:30:51,634 --> 00:30:53,794
Speaker 4: And then if we get to the point where your

675
00:30:53,834 --> 00:30:56,034
Speaker 4: friends are doing it when they're eighteen, and you're like, oh,

676
00:30:56,034 --> 00:30:58,314
Speaker 4: I guess that's something I should be doing, I kind

677
00:30:58,314 --> 00:31:00,794
Speaker 4: of even it just feels like it's so colloquial, all

678
00:31:00,874 --> 00:31:02,834
Speaker 4: like going back to the days where it was seen

679
00:31:02,874 --> 00:31:04,794
Speaker 4: as a burden to have a daughter because you're ending

680
00:31:04,874 --> 00:31:06,274
Speaker 4: up spending so much money on her.

681
00:31:06,554 --> 00:31:07,874
Speaker 2: I feel like that we're.

682
00:31:07,594 --> 00:31:11,194
Speaker 3: Going to yeah, yeah, we all know that, Like, is

683
00:31:11,234 --> 00:31:14,474
Speaker 3: there a sadder kid than the kid who was given everything?

684
00:31:14,674 --> 00:31:17,714
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't end well often. And I remember having

685
00:31:17,794 --> 00:31:21,354
Speaker 3: this same reaction a few years ago when Mindy Kaling

686
00:31:21,794 --> 00:31:24,594
Speaker 3: came out and said, I wish every nineteen year old

687
00:31:24,634 --> 00:31:27,914
Speaker 3: girl would come home from college and that the gift,

688
00:31:27,954 --> 00:31:30,114
Speaker 3: instead of buying them jewelry or a vacation or whatever,

689
00:31:30,234 --> 00:31:32,114
Speaker 3: is that their parents would take them to freeze there.

690
00:31:33,234 --> 00:31:36,194
Speaker 3: She said the same thing. She said, use your twenties

691
00:31:36,234 --> 00:31:39,274
Speaker 3: and thirties to focus on your career and love. Have

692
00:31:39,394 --> 00:31:43,034
Speaker 3: children basically when you're emotionally ready. And I understand what

693
00:31:43,074 --> 00:31:46,874
Speaker 3: she's saying because the pressure is so disproportionately on women.

694
00:31:46,914 --> 00:31:51,154
Speaker 3: But there's also this idea that like children end your life, right,

695
00:31:51,234 --> 00:31:54,034
Speaker 3: It's kind of like life has to be lived in

696
00:31:54,074 --> 00:31:57,514
Speaker 3: these stages where you go, let them be young and

697
00:31:57,554 --> 00:32:00,914
Speaker 3: they're gonna forge their career and achieve everything they want

698
00:32:00,914 --> 00:32:02,914
Speaker 3: to do, and then when you're finished with that, you

699
00:32:02,954 --> 00:32:07,074
Speaker 3: can finally have children. And like, as if life is

700
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Speaker 3: something you can plan out that.

701
00:32:09,314 --> 00:32:11,354
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and you know, I'm a big

702
00:32:11,394 --> 00:32:13,554
Speaker 1: fan of the fact that you can't. And I'm always

703
00:32:13,554 --> 00:32:16,594
Speaker 1: saying that, like I think you know people who make

704
00:32:16,674 --> 00:32:19,274
Speaker 1: too many plans and assumptions about what chapters of their

705
00:32:19,274 --> 00:32:21,194
Speaker 1: lives will look like, like this is the years I'll

706
00:32:21,194 --> 00:32:22,754
Speaker 1: do this, and this is the years I'll do that.

707
00:32:22,834 --> 00:32:26,114
Speaker 1: Like that's rarely the way it works out, but I

708
00:32:26,154 --> 00:32:28,754
Speaker 1: can see a world where it might feel almost like

709
00:32:28,794 --> 00:32:32,674
Speaker 1: a feminist parental act to go, I want my daughters

710
00:32:32,714 --> 00:32:37,994
Speaker 1: to have a fertility freedom that wasn't available to my generation,

711
00:32:38,314 --> 00:32:40,514
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I'm not necessary. I'm

712
00:32:40,514 --> 00:32:42,274
Speaker 1: not saying I would do that or that I particularly

713
00:32:42,274 --> 00:32:44,114
Speaker 1: think it's a great idea, but I can see the

714
00:32:44,154 --> 00:32:47,554
Speaker 1: perspective which is that maybe she never wants to have kids,

715
00:32:47,594 --> 00:32:49,234
Speaker 1: maybe she wants to have kids when she's twenty one,

716
00:32:49,474 --> 00:32:52,994
Speaker 1: Like who cares, that's entirely her business. But giving her

717
00:32:53,034 --> 00:32:56,874
Speaker 1: the freedom that her brother has because arguably he does.

718
00:32:57,034 --> 00:32:59,914
Speaker 1: Like I know, I know, that's a complicated thing to say,

719
00:32:59,954 --> 00:33:02,714
Speaker 1: because we would expect that he would be involved in

720
00:33:02,754 --> 00:33:06,674
Speaker 1: any child rearing situation. But let's be honest, his life

721
00:33:06,714 --> 00:33:11,194
Speaker 1: would not be impacted and derailed, perhaps or enriched in

722
00:33:11,274 --> 00:33:14,474
Speaker 1: the same way that I can see how it could

723
00:33:14,554 --> 00:33:17,674
Speaker 1: seem like a feminist parental statement to go like I'm

724
00:33:17,714 --> 00:33:20,074
Speaker 1: buying you fertility freedom.

725
00:33:20,234 --> 00:33:22,634
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think the wording has to be correct

726
00:33:22,674 --> 00:33:25,834
Speaker 4: on that because in my head, if my parents were

727
00:33:25,874 --> 00:33:28,154
Speaker 4: to say, we put all this money aside for you

728
00:33:28,194 --> 00:33:29,874
Speaker 4: to freeze your eggs, even if they said it like

729
00:33:30,234 --> 00:33:31,514
Speaker 4: if you want to have kids.

730
00:33:31,754 --> 00:33:33,954
Speaker 2: Can have a holiday instead, can I can I please

731
00:33:33,954 --> 00:33:34,434
Speaker 2: go away?

732
00:33:34,754 --> 00:33:37,354
Speaker 4: In my head I had just been thinking, oh, they

733
00:33:37,434 --> 00:33:40,234
Speaker 4: want to have grandkids and that will in a badly

734
00:33:40,554 --> 00:33:43,314
Speaker 4: influence my choice choice.

735
00:33:43,594 --> 00:33:43,834
Speaker 5: Yeah.

736
00:33:44,114 --> 00:33:48,994
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is a clear marker of value, I suppose, Like,

737
00:33:49,034 --> 00:33:51,994
Speaker 3: are you saying two an eleven year old? One of

738
00:33:52,034 --> 00:33:54,034
Speaker 3: the most important things is the freedom for you to

739
00:33:54,074 --> 00:33:55,914
Speaker 3: have children, whether or not you believe that. And maybe

740
00:33:55,914 --> 00:33:57,954
Speaker 3: that's true, maybe that is true for that family, But

741
00:33:58,034 --> 00:34:00,834
Speaker 3: I just think it's a lot to put on a

742
00:34:00,954 --> 00:34:04,274
Speaker 3: child who, you know, by that age, I hadn't even

743
00:34:04,314 --> 00:34:07,914
Speaker 3: had a period, like I hadn't waste did one ag gift.

744
00:34:08,754 --> 00:34:10,873
Speaker 1: I don't think he's putting it on her. He just

745
00:34:11,074 --> 00:34:12,993
Speaker 1: was talking about it, like, you know what. I mean

746
00:34:13,034 --> 00:34:15,314
Speaker 1: to be a little bit defensive of that, because I

747
00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:17,994
Speaker 1: think people have a lot of opinions about what you

748
00:34:17,994 --> 00:34:21,154
Speaker 1: should talk to kids about when only you know your kid,

749
00:34:21,194 --> 00:34:25,074
Speaker 1: and what conversations have right, And I think it's a

750
00:34:25,154 --> 00:34:28,714
Speaker 1: different thing if they're going in our family when we're eighteen,

751
00:34:28,754 --> 00:34:36,514
Speaker 1: we freeze our rex. I think that that would be

752
00:34:36,594 --> 00:34:37,674
Speaker 1: quite strange.

753
00:34:39,234 --> 00:34:39,954
Speaker 2: After the break.

754
00:34:40,074 --> 00:34:43,234
Speaker 4: Our recos for the week, including a very friction maxing

755
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Speaker 4: one from me.

756
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Speaker 3: Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of Mummy

757
00:34:49,474 --> 00:34:52,953
Speaker 3: out Loud just for Mummy A subscribers. Follow the link

758
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Speaker 3: in the show notes to get your daily doseph out

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Speaker 3: Loud and a big thank you to all our current subscribers.

760
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Speaker 4: Vibes ideas, Autosphere, something casual, something fun.

761
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Speaker 2: This is my best recommendation.

762
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Speaker 4: It is Friday, and we want to help set up

763
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Speaker 4: your weekend with our very best recommendations.

764
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Speaker 2: Who wants to go first? Jesse?

765
00:35:20,634 --> 00:35:23,194
Speaker 3: Jesse, I'm going to go first because i read a

766
00:35:23,234 --> 00:35:25,473
Speaker 3: bunch of books over the break. I've got a list

767
00:35:25,514 --> 00:35:26,953
Speaker 3: in my phone of all the ones I've been told

768
00:35:26,994 --> 00:35:30,634
Speaker 3: to read, and then was anyone else inundated with best

769
00:35:30,714 --> 00:35:34,514
Speaker 3: reads of twenty twenty five tiles on Instagram, and so

770
00:35:34,554 --> 00:35:37,794
Speaker 3: I kept screenshotting them, and then I just went, all right,

771
00:35:37,834 --> 00:35:41,194
Speaker 3: I've got to read Heart the Lover. It appeared in

772
00:35:41,274 --> 00:35:45,754
Speaker 3: everyone whose opinion I respect. They said this was my

773
00:35:45,794 --> 00:35:46,913
Speaker 3: book of twenty twenty five.

774
00:35:47,714 --> 00:35:49,194
Speaker 2: And I sat.

775
00:35:48,994 --> 00:35:52,394
Speaker 3: Down and I read it, and it was just stunning.

776
00:35:52,554 --> 00:35:56,154
Speaker 3: It was one of those books that I'll always remember

777
00:35:56,194 --> 00:35:59,473
Speaker 3: having read it. It's an experience. It's sort of in

778
00:35:59,514 --> 00:36:03,554
Speaker 3: two parts. The first is about first love and university

779
00:36:03,794 --> 00:36:07,354
Speaker 3: and the intensity of that experience, and then the second

780
00:36:07,434 --> 00:36:10,994
Speaker 3: is almost a midlife reflection on it.

781
00:36:11,074 --> 00:36:12,754
Speaker 2: How everything's changed. Oobulous.

782
00:36:13,714 --> 00:36:16,434
Speaker 3: It's so difficult to even explain why it's so beautiful.

783
00:36:16,474 --> 00:36:16,954
Speaker 2: It's Who's it?

784
00:36:17,394 --> 00:36:19,873
Speaker 3: It is by Lily King, who's written I think about

785
00:36:19,914 --> 00:36:22,554
Speaker 3: nine books. I've read another book by her called Writers

786
00:36:22,554 --> 00:36:25,274
Speaker 3: and Lovers. After you read Heart the Lover, read that

787
00:36:25,634 --> 00:36:28,274
Speaker 3: them related, but you don't need to have read one before.

788
00:36:28,834 --> 00:36:31,914
Speaker 3: But it's quite literary, Like the writing is really really beautiful,

789
00:36:32,114 --> 00:36:34,834
Speaker 3: and I will be thinking about that book for such

790
00:36:34,834 --> 00:36:36,873
Speaker 3: a long time. Oh my god, I love that Heart

791
00:36:36,994 --> 00:36:39,114
Speaker 3: the Lover by Lily King do it.

792
00:36:39,954 --> 00:36:41,674
Speaker 1: I did not do a lot of reading in the

793
00:36:41,674 --> 00:36:45,034
Speaker 1: holidays because I was writing, so all my moments when

794
00:36:45,074 --> 00:36:46,954
Speaker 1: I was meant to be reading, I was writing. I

795
00:36:46,994 --> 00:36:48,314
Speaker 1: did reread Wathering Heights.

796
00:36:48,554 --> 00:36:51,433
Speaker 2: We're going to discuss that when Weathering Heights comes.

797
00:36:51,594 --> 00:36:55,953
Speaker 1: When does that a few great books? It's February. I

798
00:36:56,034 --> 00:36:58,474
Speaker 1: know that in the US and in the Northern Hemisphere

799
00:36:58,474 --> 00:37:00,274
Speaker 1: it's coming out for Valentine's Day.

800
00:37:00,394 --> 00:37:01,594
Speaker 2: I have many thoughts about that.

801
00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:05,474
Speaker 1: But so because of the nature of that part of

802
00:37:05,474 --> 00:37:09,434
Speaker 1: my summer, I am just going to recommend another glowy

803
00:37:09,434 --> 00:37:12,234
Speaker 1: skin product because I recommended well before the holidays and

804
00:37:12,234 --> 00:37:13,074
Speaker 1: out louders liked it.

805
00:37:13,114 --> 00:37:14,474
Speaker 2: People love your recommendations.

806
00:37:14,794 --> 00:37:17,194
Speaker 1: I was like, this is my thing. All I want

807
00:37:17,234 --> 00:37:20,674
Speaker 1: to look like is like I've been mainlining broccoli and

808
00:37:20,714 --> 00:37:26,994
Speaker 1: sleeping well and let's be honest, neither. So the foundation

809
00:37:27,074 --> 00:37:28,554
Speaker 1: I recommended at the end of last year, it was

810
00:37:28,594 --> 00:37:32,354
Speaker 1: an exy they did, and lots of out ladders talking

811
00:37:32,354 --> 00:37:33,794
Speaker 1: about it, which is great, but it was an exy,

812
00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:36,433
Speaker 1: exy treat. This is not an exy treat, so it's

813
00:37:36,434 --> 00:37:40,554
Speaker 1: good for the new year budget. Laurel Loomy Glosian. I

814
00:37:40,674 --> 00:37:43,314
Speaker 1: never heard of this one, so it's not really a foundation.

815
00:37:43,594 --> 00:37:46,514
Speaker 1: It's like a tinted moisturizer. But I just put it

816
00:37:46,514 --> 00:37:48,074
Speaker 1: where I need it. So the way that I do

817
00:37:48,154 --> 00:37:51,393
Speaker 1: my face these days, probably influenced by lots of people

818
00:37:51,434 --> 00:37:54,154
Speaker 1: on the internet, is instead of necessarily just getting my

819
00:37:54,154 --> 00:37:57,354
Speaker 1: foundation and slapping it everywhere, I'll be a bit more

820
00:37:57,474 --> 00:38:01,274
Speaker 1: like strategic strategic, and maybe I will put my foundation on,

821
00:38:01,354 --> 00:38:03,194
Speaker 1: but then I'll put a bit something a bit glowy

822
00:38:03,234 --> 00:38:05,354
Speaker 1: on my cheeks, or maybe I'll just put concealer and

823
00:38:05,394 --> 00:38:08,033
Speaker 1: then you know, over the holidays, I'm not sitting around

824
00:38:08,074 --> 00:38:10,514
Speaker 1: a full face of foundation, but suddenly you're like, oh,

825
00:38:10,514 --> 00:38:12,393
Speaker 1: I've got to go somewhere, so instead it's just a

826
00:38:12,394 --> 00:38:15,834
Speaker 1: bit of anyway. Paula Joy was wearing this product when

827
00:38:15,834 --> 00:38:19,114
Speaker 1: she came into I interviewed her last year about the

828
00:38:19,154 --> 00:38:22,074
Speaker 1: grief of losing her mom, and she was really glowy

829
00:38:22,154 --> 00:38:25,433
Speaker 1: and when she left, I said, what's with this glowiness?

830
00:38:25,474 --> 00:38:30,553
Speaker 1: And she said, Laurel loomy gloi and I was like, right.

831
00:38:30,674 --> 00:38:32,714
Speaker 1: I put a note in my phone forgot all about it.

832
00:38:32,754 --> 00:38:34,834
Speaker 2: Then I was in a price line recently.

833
00:38:35,354 --> 00:38:38,873
Speaker 1: It's twenty bucks, Like it's not expensive at all. I

834
00:38:38,914 --> 00:38:41,514
Speaker 1: got it. I love it. I put it on my

835
00:38:41,714 --> 00:38:45,754
Speaker 1: cheeks and a bit on my forehead. You just like glowing.

836
00:38:45,994 --> 00:38:47,873
Speaker 1: But it is a tinted boystrizer, so you could put

837
00:38:47,874 --> 00:38:48,954
Speaker 1: it everywhere if.

838
00:38:48,794 --> 00:38:49,554
Speaker 2: That's your vibe.

839
00:38:49,674 --> 00:38:52,674
Speaker 1: So you don't wear it with a foundation if you want, okay,

840
00:38:52,794 --> 00:38:54,873
Speaker 1: you could put some foundation on and then you could

841
00:38:54,874 --> 00:38:56,714
Speaker 1: put a bit of this on, or you could just

842
00:38:56,794 --> 00:38:58,554
Speaker 1: wear this or you know, like put it where you

843
00:38:58,594 --> 00:38:58,873
Speaker 1: want it.

844
00:38:58,954 --> 00:38:59,754
Speaker 2: I play want it.

845
00:38:59,754 --> 00:39:01,354
Speaker 1: It's if you want a bit of shine, because it

846
00:39:01,394 --> 00:39:04,274
Speaker 1: is quite glowy. Like it's very glowy. And you don't

847
00:39:04,314 --> 00:39:07,034
Speaker 1: always want to be glowy everywhere, yeap, but you can

848
00:39:07,194 --> 00:39:09,754
Speaker 1: be because it is officially a tinted moisturizer. So and

849
00:39:09,834 --> 00:39:11,873
Speaker 1: it comes in lots of shades, as loreal things do.

850
00:39:12,514 --> 00:39:15,074
Speaker 1: And it's twenty dollars and that is my record.

851
00:39:15,114 --> 00:39:15,714
Speaker 2: I love that.

852
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:18,474
Speaker 4: At the beginning of this year, before we came back

853
00:39:18,594 --> 00:39:21,194
Speaker 4: to work, I went on a little bit of a escape.

854
00:39:21,554 --> 00:39:23,913
Speaker 4: I went to one of those tiny homes where they

855
00:39:23,914 --> 00:39:25,634
Speaker 4: don't really disclose the location.

856
00:39:25,394 --> 00:39:26,154
Speaker 2: Until the day off.

857
00:39:26,154 --> 00:39:28,674
Speaker 4: Oh, I loved it, and then follow like a little

858
00:39:28,834 --> 00:39:29,553
Speaker 4: physical map.

859
00:39:29,634 --> 00:39:30,714
Speaker 1: That's friction maxing.

860
00:39:31,434 --> 00:39:32,714
Speaker 2: Was friction maxing?

861
00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:34,234
Speaker 3: What was it like? Did you enjoy it?

862
00:39:34,354 --> 00:39:36,034
Speaker 2: Okay, it was really nice.

863
00:39:36,034 --> 00:39:38,794
Speaker 4: Being at the place was really really nice, but it

864
00:39:38,834 --> 00:39:41,274
Speaker 4: was so friction maxing.

865
00:39:41,794 --> 00:39:43,834
Speaker 2: Where I had to talk about it.

866
00:39:43,874 --> 00:39:47,034
Speaker 4: I had to hike from my car with all my

867
00:39:47,154 --> 00:39:50,034
Speaker 4: stuff to the cabin and it was down this really

868
00:39:50,074 --> 00:39:53,553
Speaker 4: really steep hill and the whole thing was friction maxing.

869
00:39:53,234 --> 00:39:54,194
Speaker 2: Including the toilet.

870
00:39:54,994 --> 00:39:57,834
Speaker 4: And the only issue I had was like I have

871
00:39:57,914 --> 00:39:59,993
Speaker 4: to have a coffee every morning, Like that's my one thing.

872
00:40:00,114 --> 00:40:01,834
Speaker 4: I know they say it's bad to have coffee the

873
00:40:01,874 --> 00:40:03,554
Speaker 4: minute you wake up, but it's my one joy and

874
00:40:03,554 --> 00:40:04,433
Speaker 4: I'm never giving it up.

875
00:40:04,474 --> 00:40:06,554
Speaker 1: I prize it from my cold dead hands.

876
00:40:06,714 --> 00:40:09,314
Speaker 3: When I did a hike through Tasmania that I was

877
00:40:09,314 --> 00:40:12,154
Speaker 3: really looking forward to, I had to send an inquiry. Yeah,

878
00:40:12,234 --> 00:40:14,913
Speaker 3: and I need a coffee, and also like not just

879
00:40:14,994 --> 00:40:17,954
Speaker 3: any coffee, like I need a good like zere Berustar.

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Speaker 4: A small flat white I couldn't get a small, light,

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Speaker 4: flat white. I'm a little cabin But they had this

882
00:40:23,274 --> 00:40:26,514
Speaker 4: little pot that I thought was like a French decoration

883
00:40:26,594 --> 00:40:28,634
Speaker 4: because I've seen it movies. And then I realized, Oh,

884
00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:30,714
Speaker 4: they expect me to make coffee in this little pot.

885
00:40:30,794 --> 00:40:34,194
Speaker 4: A MoCAA is that what it's called? Now, it's a moka.

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Speaker 2: I only love moccas. I mean moccas all the time.

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00:40:37,994 --> 00:40:40,873
Speaker 2: They make it. I've got a moca necklace. Look at

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00:40:40,874 --> 00:40:42,834
Speaker 2: my MoCCA necklace. Oh my god.

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00:40:43,154 --> 00:40:45,314
Speaker 1: I okay, I got it for my birthday.

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Speaker 4: I'm a convert because I made this coffee. I figured

891
00:40:49,474 --> 00:40:51,794
Speaker 4: out how to make it. I've never been so proud

892
00:40:51,794 --> 00:40:54,594
Speaker 4: of myself of making this coffee that took ten minutes.

893
00:40:54,954 --> 00:40:57,674
Speaker 1: Need paper, no tell tell Okay.

894
00:40:58,114 --> 00:41:00,553
Speaker 2: So this was like a lot of them I've never

895
00:41:00,954 --> 00:41:02,234
Speaker 2: never made. You've never embraced.

896
00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:03,514
Speaker 1: You need a stove.

897
00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:04,754
Speaker 2: You need a stove, all right.

898
00:41:04,874 --> 00:41:06,993
Speaker 4: You need a stove and hot water, so you need

899
00:41:07,194 --> 00:41:08,714
Speaker 4: like it felt like I was an escape room. So

900
00:41:08,794 --> 00:41:10,554
Speaker 4: I was like, something's missing. And then I was like,

901
00:41:10,554 --> 00:41:12,834
Speaker 4: oh wait, there's coffee beans. But the coffee beans can't

902
00:41:12,834 --> 00:41:13,913
Speaker 4: go straight in. And then I was like, oh wait,

903
00:41:13,914 --> 00:41:17,274
Speaker 4: there's a coffee grinder there grind the beans physically, a

904
00:41:17,874 --> 00:41:22,434
Speaker 4: reception to ask GPT how to make I had reception,

905
00:41:22,554 --> 00:41:27,234
Speaker 4: but I was doing the whole no, no, but I

906
00:41:27,274 --> 00:41:29,274
Speaker 4: did have to kind of turn it on for one bar.

907
00:41:29,274 --> 00:41:30,234
Speaker 2: To watch a YouTube video.

908
00:41:32,354 --> 00:41:34,234
Speaker 4: But I only did it once. I only did it once,

909
00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:36,154
Speaker 4: and then I remember, put the water in. You put

910
00:41:36,234 --> 00:41:38,034
Speaker 4: the water, You put water in, then you put the

911
00:41:38,074 --> 00:41:40,634
Speaker 4: coffee grinds, and then you put on the stovetop and

912
00:41:40,634 --> 00:41:43,914
Speaker 4: then you check it. Jesse, It's like magic because somehow

913
00:41:43,914 --> 00:41:46,714
Speaker 4: the water from the bottom comes to the top with

914
00:41:46,874 --> 00:41:49,953
Speaker 4: the coffee across.

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00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:50,314
Speaker 1: The coffee pot.

916
00:41:50,354 --> 00:41:50,873
Speaker 2: In your life.

917
00:41:50,994 --> 00:41:55,234
Speaker 1: It is so the European thing because I acker on

918
00:41:55,314 --> 00:41:58,913
Speaker 1: the stove at home, smells smells so good.

919
00:41:58,754 --> 00:42:00,274
Speaker 2: And the coffee tastes amazing.

920
00:42:00,514 --> 00:42:02,754
Speaker 4: I honestly thought whenever I saw these pots it was

921
00:42:02,834 --> 00:42:06,354
Speaker 4: decoration only, like I didn't actually think anything happened in there.

922
00:42:06,554 --> 00:42:09,834
Speaker 4: But then I came home immediately ordered one from my uncle.

923
00:42:09,954 --> 00:42:12,114
Speaker 1: I got and then this is so weird because I

924
00:42:12,154 --> 00:42:13,754
Speaker 1: got my mock at necklace. But I also got a

925
00:42:13,754 --> 00:42:16,594
Speaker 1: new moker for Christmas and rent a red one because

926
00:42:16,594 --> 00:42:18,794
Speaker 1: our market we always have a mocka often have a

927
00:42:18,834 --> 00:42:20,873
Speaker 1: little one for making one coffee and a big one

928
00:42:20,914 --> 00:42:23,554
Speaker 1: for making lots. And what you do this is what

929
00:42:23,754 --> 00:42:27,034
Speaker 1: the posh people do in front. Teach me. Leave the

930
00:42:27,074 --> 00:42:30,393
Speaker 1: lid open, like as it bubbles up, and then as

931
00:42:30,434 --> 00:42:32,594
Speaker 1: it starts coming out, you close the lid, turn the

932
00:42:32,594 --> 00:42:34,714
Speaker 1: heat right down and it will slowly come out and

933
00:42:34,754 --> 00:42:37,433
Speaker 1: it'll be a bit creamy. And then so you put

934
00:42:37,434 --> 00:42:39,794
Speaker 1: whatever milk you want in it. But it's strong coffee.

935
00:42:40,194 --> 00:42:44,873
Speaker 1: It is heaven right, so oh no you don't put

936
00:42:44,874 --> 00:42:45,274
Speaker 1: the milk in.

937
00:42:45,354 --> 00:42:48,514
Speaker 4: No, no, no, It's like it's changed my life and

938
00:42:48,554 --> 00:42:51,274
Speaker 4: it makes them you know, so friction vaccine because you

939
00:42:51,274 --> 00:42:53,674
Speaker 4: spend ten minutes to it is and you know you

940
00:42:53,714 --> 00:42:56,154
Speaker 4: were talking about before the break, you're talking about making

941
00:42:56,154 --> 00:42:57,554
Speaker 4: your house smell nice.

942
00:42:57,754 --> 00:43:00,554
Speaker 1: It's a classic maneuver for that. You put a mocker

943
00:43:00,594 --> 00:43:02,834
Speaker 1: on the stove. It makes your house smell lovely, and

944
00:43:02,874 --> 00:43:04,594
Speaker 1: anyone who walks in is like, I'd like to pay

945
00:43:04,714 --> 00:43:05,954
Speaker 1: lots of money for this house.

946
00:43:05,994 --> 00:43:08,834
Speaker 2: Please, Oh, incredible one.

947
00:43:11,274 --> 00:43:13,834
Speaker 1: Oh we have to post pictures of our mockers. I

948
00:43:13,874 --> 00:43:14,194
Speaker 1: love that.

949
00:43:15,474 --> 00:43:18,354
Speaker 2: Okay, we've had we've maxed.

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00:43:18,034 --> 00:43:20,993
Speaker 1: A lot of friction today. Out louders, please tell us

951
00:43:21,274 --> 00:43:26,194
Speaker 1: your recommendations for Friction Maxing Joy. Before we go for

952
00:43:26,274 --> 00:43:28,754
Speaker 1: the week, we do have to tell you about subs

953
00:43:28,794 --> 00:43:30,794
Speaker 1: and what happened this week. Big deal, Hey Jesse.

954
00:43:30,994 --> 00:43:35,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yesterday's subscriber episode is with Maya and you

955
00:43:35,874 --> 00:43:40,274
Speaker 3: two talking about Heated Rivalry, the biggest show of the

956
00:43:40,274 --> 00:43:44,754
Speaker 3: summer that everyone's yelling at me about, and also Taylor

957
00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:49,074
Speaker 3: Swift's end of an era to a documentary that's the

958
00:43:49,154 --> 00:43:52,954
Speaker 3: sixth part of that dropped Maya was desperate to discuss.

959
00:43:53,834 --> 00:43:56,994
Speaker 3: There's a link to that episode in the show notes

960
00:43:57,234 --> 00:44:00,993
Speaker 3: and a reminder as well, Summer book Club. We are

961
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Speaker 3: reading Mala Luka. I did read that over the That

962
00:44:04,234 --> 00:44:06,073
Speaker 3: was if we weren't doing it for Summer book Club,

963
00:44:06,074 --> 00:44:10,674
Speaker 3: that would have been recommend recomendation, recommendations. Seriously, one of

964
00:44:10,714 --> 00:44:12,354
Speaker 3: the best books I've read in a long time. I

965
00:44:12,394 --> 00:44:14,354
Speaker 3: am so so into it. It's like I'm excited to

966
00:44:14,354 --> 00:44:17,034
Speaker 3: get into bed to just like keep going. It's great.

967
00:44:17,474 --> 00:44:20,194
Speaker 3: So it is mal Luca by Angie Fay Martin. Make

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Speaker 3: sure you are reading along with us because we are

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00:44:22,514 --> 00:44:25,993
Speaker 3: dropping that episode at the end of the month. That's

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Speaker 3: part of our Summer book Club series. Thanks to Royal Caribbean,

971
00:44:29,474 --> 00:44:33,074
Speaker 3: And in case you missed it, our last episode of

972
00:44:33,234 --> 00:44:36,554
Speaker 3: Summer Book Club was all about Emily Henry's book Great, Big,

973
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:39,554
Speaker 3: Beautiful Life. There is a link to that in our

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00:44:39,594 --> 00:44:40,154
Speaker 3: show notes.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here with us all week out

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Speaker 1: loud As. We are very happy to be back in

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00:44:44,594 --> 00:44:45,274
Speaker 1: your ears.

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Speaker 2: We have some big thank yous to do.

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Speaker 4: A big thank you to our team group executive producer

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Speaker 4: Rude Divine, executive producer Sasha Tanic.

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Speaker 3: Our senior audio producer is Leah Porges, our video producer

982
00:44:57,554 --> 00:45:02,913
Speaker 3: is Josh Green, and our junior content producer is Tessa Kodovich. Goodbye,

983
00:45:03,234 --> 00:45:12,314
Speaker 3: bye bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the

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Speaker 3: land on which we have recorded this podcast.