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Speaker 1: And Jesse today we're talking about the OC. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the OC, bitch, Who are you?
Speaker 2: Whoever you want me to be?
Speaker 1: She Ill Ryan's gonna stream with us. Now do you
Speaker 1: what from your current are you? This is one of
Speaker 1: those episodes where you go, oh, this was twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Does it feel urgent? And the answer is yes, it does.
Speaker 1: I feel urgent because I don't know if you're gonna
Speaker 1: say this, but because of what I might describe as
Speaker 1: the resurgence of one Seth Cohen. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: Adam Brody, I mean Seth Cohen, because Seth Cohen is
Speaker 1: Seth Cohen again in a Netflix series called Nobody Wants
Speaker 1: This something like that. Yeah. Yeah, So I will tell
Speaker 1: you before you begin. I will tell you my vibe
Speaker 1: because you've watched some I haven't watched any You never
Speaker 1: watched the OC. No, the OC obviously, this new show. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about the new show. I
Speaker 1: want to about the OC quickly. You've seen a few episodes.
Speaker 1: If nobody wants this, no, Claire, I watched fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: and vibe. I didn't love it. I didn't, and I'm
Speaker 1: alone in that. I don't know. I don't know, and
Speaker 1: everyone else likes it, but I just wasn't. In a
Speaker 1: food or something, I'm gonna love it. I quite like
Speaker 1: the Jewish storyline because she's a shitska, which is what
Speaker 1: I am, which is when you are a woman who
Speaker 1: is not Jewish with a man who is Jewish. I
Speaker 1: think the Jewish stuff very fun. But anyway, it wasn't
Speaker 1: for me. Now my vibes's on the OCA, okay, Ryan,
Speaker 1: forty nine year old Mischa Barton did seem twenty. I
Speaker 1: remember being very young and seeing Mischa Barton's face and body.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing her described as a coat hanger, that
Speaker 1: she could wear anything, and I remember thinking, I wonder
Speaker 1: if I'm a coat Marrian, not a coat hanger. You're
Speaker 1: more of a brick. Yeah, yeah, just because you're short
Speaker 1: and you know, things go out and yeah, there's like shape,
Speaker 1: I can't wear anything. My other recollections are Sandy Cohen's
Speaker 1: eyebrows for play. Oh hereah, you know.
Speaker 2: Massaging you No, no nibbling the that. Look, here's a point.
Speaker 2: Just because you're ready to go, it doesn't mean she is.
Speaker 2: I'm always ready to go.
Speaker 3: Oh you my son.
Speaker 2: We Cohens are very sexual beings. Viral get you just disgusting.
Speaker 1: Seth kind of a lovely home and it was nice
Speaker 1: to hear housed Ryan and Rachel Bilson. Okay, some I
Speaker 1: wanted to go to Brown. I think that's all I've got. Okay,
Speaker 1: Brown is a university. Yes, and she did go, did she?
Speaker 1: And then she got Actually I didn't include this. She
Speaker 1: actually got expelled. Can you get expelled from university? Kicked
Speaker 1: out of university for freeing lab rabbits love with her
Speaker 1: friend Chris Pratt, who was her college friend? Yes, now, yes,
Speaker 1: we should probably add that when you're at university, you
Speaker 1: had a labrat named Cruder. Yeah, crudis critis. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a labrat, and you teach Crudis some things things, yep,
Speaker 1: to turn around a circle, and creutis never learned to think,
Speaker 1: and that was because the incentive was food and Curtis
Speaker 1: what wasn't food motivated. Crudis was a big boy, and
Speaker 1: Crudis was, as my lecturer said, say she ated. Ah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't motivated. Okay, anyway, nobody wants this got me
Speaker 1: thinking about the OC. Yeah. It aired from two thousand
Speaker 1: and three until two thousand and seven, with four seasons
Speaker 1: and ninety two episodes. Fantastic and that was the beginning
Speaker 1: of an iconic era of teen show great music.
Speaker 3: A long time girl.
Speaker 2: We used to with friendsperd about.
Speaker 3: Make a deal with God someday, Oh, dawning. I didn't
Speaker 3: realize that.
Speaker 1: Literally by the end of the OC, the creators slash
Speaker 1: showrunners were already working on Gossip Girl. Like it's the
Speaker 1: same creators. And I feel like the OC overlapped with
Speaker 1: Laguna Beach, which was geographically Yes, it was the inspiration
Speaker 1: the first season of that. They were like, we need
Speaker 1: more set here, specifically with hot people. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: did that and it was excellent. Oh, we should do
Speaker 1: an episode about Laguna Beach. Oh. The OC centered around
Speaker 1: Ryan Atwood, who, as he mentioned, was meant to be
Speaker 1: a teenager but was seventy five years old. No, he
Speaker 1: was twenty three. He had ostereiporosis, so probably No, he
Speaker 1: went straight from Seth Cohen's pool room to an old
Speaker 1: age home. He did, No, he didn't. He was only twenty.
Speaker 1: He is a troubled youth and his mother kicks him out,
Speaker 1: and Sandy and Kirsten Cohen take him in. They're rich
Speaker 1: and have a lone of sons, and Ryan has to
Speaker 1: adapt from his life of violence and poverty to this
Speaker 1: fancy one. But he learns even rich people have their problems,
Speaker 1: which is a really important lesson. I remember reading that
Speaker 1: their swimming pool was only ankle deep. Oh that's a
Speaker 1: fun thing in real life, Like they couldn't actually swim
Speaker 1: in it, which made me feel sad. I mean, wasn't
Speaker 1: at order to set I guess, I know, not the pool.
Speaker 1: Not the pool. Well, he falls in love with Marissa,
Speaker 1: and he befriends Seth, and that first season was where
Speaker 1: most of your memories of the OC come from.
Speaker 2: Oh. Also, that wasn't exactly the way that I first
Speaker 2: planned to talk to Summer, but I am now on
Speaker 2: her radar. Do you think I should tell her about Tdahiti?
Speaker 2: Do you that's I thought. Let's see, that's what I
Speaker 2: was thinking. I wanted to make sure that we were
Speaker 2: on the same page.
Speaker 1: The love triangle between seth Anna and Summer.
Speaker 2: Was itting, Okay, thanks fine, let meet you back upstairs.
Speaker 1: Smoke alarm.
Speaker 2: Summer Anna sat hotly awkward.
Speaker 3: This is weird.
Speaker 2: I want to explain everything to you. Guys. I kissed you.
Speaker 2: I know, I kissed you so true. I always knew
Speaker 2: you were late, bloom were sweety. We you not go?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 1: Oh you don't want her to go?
Speaker 3: No? No, I mean yes, I mean yes, nice. Okay,
Speaker 3: that was awkward with her here.
Speaker 2: Now finally she's gone. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: The great music Anna, Yep, all of that. It's simply
Speaker 1: was then in the Bad Day film clip. Forgot about that,
Speaker 1: and she's good that day, And I was like, didn't
Speaker 1: she's with seth I like her short hair. No, she
Speaker 1: moved back to Pittsburgh anyway. It simply went downhill from there, Jesse.
Speaker 1: Some fun facts quick cameos Chris Pratt. As aforementioned, he
Speaker 1: was in season four as a college activist. Max Greenfield,
Speaker 1: who went on to play Schmidt in New Girl, was
Speaker 1: a young Sandy Cohen in a flashback o good casting
Speaker 1: Shaylene Woodley. I was originally Marissa's younger sister in season one.
Speaker 1: Then she went to boarding school and when she came
Speaker 1: back she was a different actions. I love when they
Speaker 1: think we won't notice. Olivia Wilde originally auditioned to Marissa,
Speaker 1: but then she went on to play Alex, Marissa's love interest.
Speaker 1: Paris Hilton had a cameo in season one and kissed Seth.
Speaker 2: Relaxed his all checks are so late. We're not from
Speaker 2: La Orange County, Orange County.
Speaker 1: And but heard had a cameo in season two. There
Speaker 1: are many more. I could go on forever, but none
Speaker 1: of that matters. I want to I want like it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a reunion where they all hang out. It's like they
Speaker 1: all say, I've seen some shit. Well you'll want to
Speaker 1: reunion more after all. Right, what I'm about to tell
Speaker 1: you My structure for today's follows. Inappropriate relationships, both on
Speaker 1: and off screen. Poor behavior on set was Marissa The
Speaker 1: worst and most bizarre storylines Inappropriate relationships on screen Julie Cooper,
Speaker 1: Marissa's mother.
Speaker 3: Wake Up Jimmy. The Sigbreeds donated a pool and a
Speaker 3: field house their son only small part.
Speaker 1: Marissa shot someone.
Speaker 2: We've got to at least give them a.
Speaker 1: Underground how she was annoying, she had like red hair,
Speaker 1: and she she had a problem, She had all sorts
Speaker 1: of problems. She has a relationship with the ex boyfriend
Speaker 1: of her daughter. I'd forgotten. Now it's accepted Luke is
Speaker 1: now big on TikTok. He's big on TikTok and he
Speaker 1: was in Nashville. Yeah, he does funny, funny tiktoks about
Speaker 1: having been on the OC. Anyway, it's accepted in the
Speaker 1: OC that the kids are all sixteen or seventeen, and
Speaker 1: Luke is in the same year as everyone else at school. Therefore,
Speaker 1: Julie having sex with him, which she does, would technically
Speaker 1: be stated true rape, but it was more like a
Speaker 1: bit sexy yeah, and a bit naughty yeah. Instead it's
Speaker 1: played off as drama and it's all like this will
Speaker 1: destroy Marissa, and it's a bit like how about Luke,
Speaker 1: how's Luke doing? Yeah? But the writers did add a
Speaker 1: tiny detail to make the relationship technically legal. Melinda Clark,
Speaker 1: who played Julie, told in Style the kids are technically sixteen,
Speaker 1: but there's a scene where Luke and Julie are having
Speaker 1: their rendezvous and in the morning he's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be late for home room. That's when you
Speaker 1: know things a fucked anyway, and Julie goes, you have homeroom, right,
Speaker 1: because you're in high school and you're only eighteen. They
Speaker 1: added that he was eighteen, so the insinuation is he
Speaker 1: started school late or got held back, which is believable
Speaker 1: when you knew his character. Yes, but is still not. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can't but it's the law. No, but it's not right. No,
Speaker 1: but they were hot together, okay, okay. Well, Also, when
Speaker 1: Marissa discovers the relationship, she hits Luke and tells him
Speaker 1: to stay away from her before wishing him dead. And
Speaker 1: then he leaves town and it's like he goes child.
Speaker 1: He was preyed upon, prayed upon by Massa's who just
Speaker 1: goes along wreaking havoc. It's honestly chaos. Then there was
Speaker 1: Marissa and Ryan's relationship. I liked that No, behind the scene,
Speaker 1: oh because they were both playing teenagers. Yep. But Mischa
Speaker 1: Barton was seventeen at the beginning of the show and
Speaker 1: Ben McKenzie was forty five. No, he wasn't he was
Speaker 1: twenty five. Okay, that's fine, it's not when again, the
Speaker 1: age of consent in California is eighteen. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: weren't having real sex on screen. They probably were because
Speaker 1: they were in a relationship, were they, Yeah, from the
Speaker 1: beginning of filming. Well, I'm sure they weren't having sex
Speaker 1: then because it was against the law. Well, Mischa Barton
Speaker 1: has pretty much implied that they were. Okay, So earlier
Speaker 1: this year she was a guest John call her daddy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now I saw the clips and she said that her
Speaker 1: and Ben Mackenzie were in a relationship right from the
Speaker 1: beginning of filming. She said, I mean it was kind
Speaker 1: of complicated for me. I went into that a virgin,
Speaker 1: like a kid, like really feeling like I needed to
Speaker 1: grow up quickly. That was my first Okay, yep, it's
Speaker 1: like relationship or so, what's the age of consent? Eighteen
Speaker 1: eighteen and she was seventeen. She said, I had no
Speaker 1: idea what I was doing. She said she ended the
Speaker 1: relationship with him while the two were still acting together
Speaker 1: on the show, and she said, we just had to
Speaker 1: suck it up and get on with it. But there
Speaker 1: was a lot of jabs behind the scenes and off camera.
Speaker 1: I felt like that kind of ostracized me as well,
Speaker 1: because there was a marked difference in maturity level there,
Speaker 1: and she said she felt not mature enough to continue
Speaker 1: the relationship and that it was overwhelming. I find that
Speaker 1: a little bit problematic. It is seventeen and twenty five,
Speaker 1: and I know she'd been in the industry and that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, but I don't know, I feel a
Speaker 1: bit funny about it. She was a ghost in the
Speaker 1: sixth sense. She was a ghost where you know her from.
Speaker 1: She came who under the bed. She was terrifying. She
Speaker 1: was absolutely terrifying. And now I think we've talked about
Speaker 1: it before, every time I get out of bed, I
Speaker 1: imagine Micha Barton's there, she's gonna grabbed my Ankle's pale
Speaker 1: because she's sick. Ghost. She's vomiting because her mother's poisoning her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: poor behavior on that's sixth sense. Didn't make that clear enough.
Speaker 1: Poor behavior on set. When you have four very young
Speaker 1: stars become famous very quickly, people start being this to
Speaker 1: each other. Yes, okay, Tate Donov not seth oh. Sorry,
Speaker 1: you'll see. He was the most sticky no, he was, No,
Speaker 1: he was. Tate Donovan played Marissa's deadbeat dad, Jimmy, and
Speaker 1: he told Vulture he found it difficult working with those
Speaker 1: stars while he was directing an episode. He said, by
Speaker 1: the time I started to direct, the kids on the
Speaker 1: show had developed a really bad attitude. They just didn't
Speaker 1: want to be doing the show anymore. It was pretty tough.
Speaker 1: They were very tough to work with. The adults were
Speaker 1: all fantastic, but you know how it is with young actors.
Speaker 1: When you achieve a certain amount of success, you want
Speaker 1: to be doing something else. I mean, one of them
Speaker 1: turned to me and said, this show is ruining my
Speaker 1: film career, and he had never done a film before.
Speaker 1: Side note. In a moment, I think it will become
Speaker 1: clear who this was. The guy who played bad boy Volchok.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Vold Top Yeah, yeah, vaguely, yeah, really hot?
Speaker 1: Really yeah, no you should. His name's cam Gigandett, he
Speaker 1: told Elle magazine. The things that I remember now, none
Speaker 1: of them are good. It was only the third or
Speaker 1: fourth season. Those kids I remember him. Oh he's been
Speaker 1: in Twilight. So hot, he said. Those kids were fucking miserable.
Speaker 1: They could not remember their lines. On purpose. They were young.
Speaker 1: He said, Ben mackenzie was kind of mean to me.
Speaker 1: I hadn't done anything at that point, and he was
Speaker 1: a little bit of an ass. Then he was asked
Speaker 1: about Mischa Barton, who played his on screen love interest,
Speaker 1: and he said, was she there? I don't even have
Speaker 1: memories of her now, But it would seem that the
Speaker 1: person we really need to talk about attitude wise is
Speaker 1: none other than Adam Brody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I'm a big doork and I listen to EMO and
Speaker 2: I'm dating her. I like you this much, and if
Speaker 2: you don't feel the same way about me, someone's gonna
Speaker 2: have to give me a handdown because it's really high
Speaker 2: up here and I could fall and that would be embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Just comes across as very likable. Do you think I've
Speaker 1: been watching a few interviews and interviews. He's very he's giving,
Speaker 1: he's giving. Blake Lively so different anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think just in terms of at least
Speaker 2: I don't know the profession time. I guess I just
Speaker 2: don't look at it through that lens.
Speaker 1: So I watched one interview and he was fine, and
Speaker 1: he is married to Blair Waldorf, which is what they
Speaker 1: describe as a millennial wet drain. Very true. Well, at
Speaker 1: the end of last year, the cast and crew opened
Speaker 1: up about the reality of the OC in a book
Speaker 1: called Welcome to the OC, The Oral History Serious creator
Speaker 1: Josh Schwartz was the first to admit everyone was sick
Speaker 1: of the series by the time they got into the
Speaker 1: third or fourth seasons. I'm interested in them being sick
Speaker 1: of it. This is the make like Ben mackenzie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where you've been, where you've been. This is the heart
Speaker 1: of your career. This is something that actors wait their
Speaker 1: whole lives for. Just put your head down, be like
Speaker 1: the Friends cast, and just hold on for the ride.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be wanting to jump off for the film
Speaker 1: that isn't there yet for you to be in, Josh
Speaker 1: Wartz said, by the time we got to season three,
Speaker 1: we were all burned out. We'd made so many episodes
Speaker 1: so quickly, and I think it wasn't a happy set
Speaker 1: for long stretches of it. Quite frankly, everybody was over
Speaker 1: it by that point, and I was one of those
Speaker 1: people who was over it. It had been a great ride,
Speaker 1: but it had been a volatile ride. Executive producer Stephanie
Speaker 1: Savage also noted the morale among the cast was very lackluster,
Speaker 1: and said they had started to be a bit petulant,
Speaker 1: with directors having an attitude reading a book during rehearsal
Speaker 1: instead of paying attention, that kind of thing. Melinda Clark,
Speaker 1: who played Julie, we were very aware in seasoning you
Speaker 1: should imprison fictionally, fictionally fictionally. We were very aware in
Speaker 1: season three of how disliked the scripts were, especially by
Speaker 1: the kids. They're calling them kids. I mean, we've said
Speaker 1: it once, we'll say it again. Is on a pension? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not a child. Well, Adam and Ben were like,
Speaker 1: we're grown men and we're playing in high school still.
Speaker 1: Adam Brody has admitted that he stopped reading scripts after
Speaker 1: a time. Will you could tell her well, with producers
Speaker 1: saying that the scripts piled up outside his trailer. The
Speaker 1: director had to have a conversation with him about being
Speaker 1: more invested in the job that you're getting paid a
Speaker 1: lot of money to do. He was so disinterested the
Speaker 1: writers had to come up with a plot to explain
Speaker 1: why his performance was so poor. Joshwartz said Brody just
Speaker 1: changed his delivery, his investment in it hang on if
Speaker 1: I'm remembering this correctly, Like he became so vague and
Speaker 1: disinterested that someone was like, are you going to fight
Speaker 1: for me? And he was like, am not really well?
Speaker 1: His style shifted to such a degree that we felt
Speaker 1: like we needed to account for it creatively. Josh Swartz said,
Speaker 1: that's where Caitlin gets seth hooked on pot. We were like,
Speaker 1: how do we explain his lethargy on lessergy? And at
Speaker 1: least if we can write that he's stoned, then we're
Speaker 1: not trying to write around it. They literally had to
Speaker 1: make him have a weed problem to explain why he
Speaker 1: no longer speaks in sentences. He has not read the
Speaker 1: script no. Adam Brody has said I was polite to everyone.
Speaker 1: I liked the directors, the crew, and I got on
Speaker 1: really well. I didn't keep people waiting. Okay, I would
Speaker 1: do you read the script's mate? I would never scream
Speaker 1: or yell at anyone. No, no one's accusing you of
Speaker 1: screaming or yelling say anything fucking mean. But I think
Speaker 1: I very much let my distaste for the later episodes
Speaker 1: be known. I didn't mask that at all, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure I openly mocked it. A bit, so I'm not
Speaker 1: proud of that. Okay, in his defense and actually the
Speaker 1: defense of all of the cast, like at a young age,
Speaker 1: he was seth fucking Cohen. Oh must have been awful. No,
Speaker 1: I think that that just gives you an ego. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like every girl was in love with him. He has
Speaker 1: just skyrocketed to fame out of nowhere. This all sounds
Speaker 1: like ego. Yes, well, he said, I started to be
Speaker 1: creatively less interested. I blame myself for a lack of
Speaker 1: professionalism and a disrespect to the work. In terms of
Speaker 1: engagement as a whole, I'll just say that they are
Speaker 1: different shows season one and the later seasons. Had the
Speaker 1: quality been the quality of Season one, I'm sure I
Speaker 1: would have been a lot more engaged. Chicken our egg, Adam,
Speaker 1: chicken of it and my engagement went hand in hand.
Speaker 1: Chicken or egg. They had to write you as a
Speaker 1: stoner because you gave them nothing in his offense. That
Speaker 1: is the general consensus that the first season was lightning
Speaker 1: in a bottle and they simply could not recreate it.
Speaker 1: Things got weirder and weirder. And this is the thing
Speaker 1: about television, right We've been doing a bit of television writing,
Speaker 1: and what they always say is you write the kind
Speaker 1: of story arc for season one, and they always say,
Speaker 1: all right, where do we go to season two? And
Speaker 1: sometimes you want to say, I don't think this is
Speaker 1: a multiple season. I think this is a single story.
Speaker 1: It's like when you write a book, unless you're writing
Speaker 1: a series, it's like I'm thinking I'll just wrap it
Speaker 1: up at the end and have a holiday and have
Speaker 1: a sleep. But with television, it's like, if it works,
Speaker 1: if there's proof of concept. I think we ought they're
Speaker 1: like but more, but more, and you're like, they're just
Speaker 1: they're just the still at school, the OC and it's
Speaker 1: like we feel like we kind of covered that in
Speaker 1: the first Yeah, now, like will they won't they? That
Speaker 1: was what season one? Season two, will they won't Well,
Speaker 1: I'm less invested season two, Marissa. Guys, the guys, come on,
Speaker 1: we got up the stakes too many people are getting
Speaker 1: Seth is addicted to Pott. Yeah, okay, we can see that. Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Adam Brodie said it became a bit of a game
Speaker 1: for him to figure out what the main storylines of
Speaker 1: the show were by only reading his scenes, which he
Speaker 1: was not proud of. That's actually hilarious. I turning up
Speaker 1: to set only create your then, like you'd be really
Speaker 1: in the moment. Yeah, you'd be like technically, like what's
Speaker 1: happening with It's a surprise to Brian. It's quite meta
Speaker 1: really because it's like, well, I don't know what's happening
Speaker 1: in scenes that I'm not present in. Yeah, exactly, that's
Speaker 1: the real Seth Cohen. I should only know what Seth knows. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if this Sphel's tone death and this is why
Speaker 1: he's had a long and fruitful career. Yeah maybe. Well
Speaker 1: he told people at the time that he would only
Speaker 1: read the pages he was shooting each day, Like that's
Speaker 1: all he would read, So he didn't I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Adam Brody was famously dating Rachel Bilson at the time.
Speaker 1: M okay, I remember that. And you might say, did
Speaker 1: he date the same person twice? Rachel Bilson is the
Speaker 1: same person as Leyden Meister. Yes, yeah, they are the
Speaker 1: same in that they are brunette and dated Adam BROUDI anyway,
Speaker 1: apparently his behavior put her in an awkward position.
Speaker 2: Poem what palm, Hey wish I was a murder.
Speaker 1: You remember that, I was like sixth grade haven't we
Speaker 1: all been there? Yeah, when your bloody boyfriend is yeah,
Speaker 1: won't do his work, smoker too much? Wait on set
Speaker 1: and off set anyway, She said, you want to be
Speaker 1: supportive of the person you with. But also I'm a
Speaker 1: firm believer in always being grateful and gratitude comes first.
Speaker 1: I think there were probably times where that went by
Speaker 1: the wayside. You grow up, you look back and you
Speaker 1: can realize when you're young you might behave in certain
Speaker 1: ways you wish you hadn't. So clearly she was like, dude,
Speaker 1: read this scene. Can you read that s grouped outside
Speaker 1: your trailer instead of that strange book? Come on, it's
Speaker 1: disrespectful to everyone. Josh Schwartz now says he wishes that
Speaker 1: he had got everyone together and had a big like
Speaker 1: come to Jesus meeting where he was like, guys, let's
Speaker 1: talk about how the show has lost its way, all right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he reckons it would have helped the cast feel heard,
Speaker 1: and they also might have got some good ideas, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they were stuck on ideas. Yeah, they were clearly stuck.
Speaker 1: And I always wonder with this. We were saying, sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't know if you've got enough steam for other series.
Speaker 1: But you do wonder it's coc You'd think they had
Speaker 1: some of the best writers. I know. There were really
Speaker 1: arbitrary things, like they'd be told you need another adult,
Speaker 1: like they call them kids and adults. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you need another adult to have a prominent storyline
Speaker 1: in this season. So there was season two or three
Speaker 1: where I feel like Sandy hair about cheating on each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was invested in Sandy and it's like no one
Speaker 1: cares about them. Mischa Button's face up close. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not that complicated. Nice music, Yeah, near's Eve Ryan arrived,
Speaker 1: b Roll b Roll of Orange County. Yeah, not that
Speaker 1: hard and some fun music. In other gossips, Mischa Barton
Speaker 1: and Rachel Bilson didn't really get along. In a two
Speaker 1: thousand and four interview with Elle, Button made a very
Speaker 1: odd comment about Bilson. She said she's way more overtly
Speaker 1: sexual than I am. She is so botite, and I'm
Speaker 1: so tall and lanky. I think I'd be scared of
Speaker 1: having her voluptuousness. I like being understatedly sex. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: so you're calling her a slut. But we've got we've
Speaker 1: got the Madonna Hall. Yeah, complex and what you've done
Speaker 1: if you've called Bilton a hall.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, I'm really thin, and therefore I'm sexy
Speaker 1: in a better way. What you'll notice is I am
Speaker 1: very thin, Rachel Bilson's a slut, and Scott a tits out,
Speaker 1: which I think is unseemly and undignified. I personally cover
Speaker 1: myself and you'll realize I'm sexy in a more demure way.
Speaker 2: Very demure, very mindful.
Speaker 1: Mischi of button. Then, in twenty twenty one, when asked
Speaker 1: what prompted her decision to leave the series at the
Speaker 1: end of season three, Barton gave an interview with E
Speaker 1: did it keep going after Barton left? Wow, there's a
Speaker 1: whole season? Okay, all right? That hinted that Bilson being
Speaker 1: cast as a series regular played a part. It had
Speaker 1: a lot to do with them adding Bilson in last
Speaker 1: minute as after the first season a series regular and
Speaker 1: evening out everybody's pay. So she's basically saying I was
Speaker 1: meant to be the lead. Yeah, and then they got Summer,
Speaker 1: like Summer had more of a role. I felt like
Speaker 1: Rachel Bilson did go to Brown for a bit. I
Speaker 1: was in season four, Yeah, but I think she like disappeared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I don't feel like I followed, okay, but there
Speaker 1: was a lot of following Seth Cohen around that house.
Speaker 1: Didn't he get on a boat? Who got on a boat?
Speaker 1: And that was the end of season one? That was
Speaker 1: early right, Okay, maybe we didn't follow them on the boat. No.
Speaker 1: Bilson responded on a podcast saying that's misinformation. Where is
Speaker 1: she going with this and what is she trying to say?
Speaker 1: I would actually like to talk to her and find
Speaker 1: out what her experience was from her perspective, because I
Speaker 1: saw things a little differently. So she's clearly like, why
Speaker 1: does mister button hate me? We'll have him here if
Speaker 1: they want to have a chat, I will get you
Speaker 1: off the mic. Yeah, say, ladies, sit down. This is
Speaker 1: not the format of this podcast, in fact, not even
Speaker 1: recording it. This is just for me. Players, just don't
Speaker 1: mind her. She's in the corner. Yeah, she's listening. I'm salivating.
Speaker 1: She's salivating. And what we're gonna ask is who here
Speaker 1: is the bitch bo that's fun on call? Her Daddy
Speaker 1: Barton said it's typical that in these sets not everybody
Speaker 1: is going to get along. There are going to be clashes.
Speaker 1: There's going to be people who create rumors and make
Speaker 1: stuff up. I think I was very sensitive to that
Speaker 1: because I was so young. It felt like high school
Speaker 1: but in the real world and very elevated and very magnified.
Speaker 1: I was looking at some stuff recently about pretty little liars,
Speaker 1: and they always say not everyone's gonna get along, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, so there was fucking gossips. Okay, what I
Speaker 1: hear is what I'm hearing. And when people say not
Speaker 1: everyone's going to get along, it's like, who are you bullying? Who?
Speaker 1: Who specifically bullying? I remember in year nine they do.
Speaker 1: I think people mostly get along in a workplace. If
Speaker 1: they don't, there are issues that should be addressed. But
Speaker 1: I remember in year nine they did like a religion
Speaker 1: Day or whatever, and they did a big thing on
Speaker 1: rumors are damaging? Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was very very vague, and I was a quick question,
Speaker 1: what rumors? May you share them? Just so that I
Speaker 1: don't understand that they're damaging? But I was thinking that
Speaker 1: maybe if all of us could share one rumor and
Speaker 1: we could kind of play with that and talk about
Speaker 1: how they're damaging. Because I heard that she's given a
Speaker 1: hand job. That's all I'm saying. It's very like actors
Speaker 1: to say that not everyone gets along. You can't imagine
Speaker 1: like a group of people in a writer's room and
Speaker 1: then someone coming out of the writer's room and saying,
Speaker 1: not everyone gets along, not everyone's gonna get home. I'm boring,
Speaker 1: You're boring. There's less ego, like go into a staff room,
Speaker 1: like there's eccentric. There's imagine a teacher, a teacher being like,
Speaker 1: not everyone gets long, Like you're busy doing your job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone's too busy to be playing into this drama. But
Speaker 1: then Barton appeared on Bill's podcast, which is like a
Speaker 1: rewatch of the OC podcast. Yeah with Julie. Julie's has
Speaker 1: a lot to say. I guess Julie has she done much,
Speaker 1: she's done the podcast? Okay, I care anyway, Button appeared
Speaker 1: on that it's called Welcome to the OC, and so
Speaker 1: I reckon they've made up all right? Love that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they already they stole our ideas. No more, no
Speaker 1: more rumors, I guess, no more rumors. But we could
Speaker 1: find out what the rumors were at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was Marissa the worst? I don't even know what to
Speaker 1: say we did find this. Wow, I'll see if you're right.
Speaker 1: On the first Wilm we could start smoking. We had
Speaker 1: luck cool kidding kind of wait. Stop, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: I can't do this. I have to go what You're
Speaker 1: already even gonna try and start me? You are so
Speaker 1: fight o'kay have money, Jesse online. There's a weird level
Speaker 1: of animosity towards Marissa Cooper. That's the same with Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, characters complicated at Fardy, that's why you
Speaker 1: watched it. Yes, it is one of those times where
Speaker 1: people have to remember it was just a TV show
Speaker 1: and Marissa wasn't real. She was just a character. This
Speaker 1: is from a Bustle article. You see Marissa Cooper, played
Speaker 1: by the monotone voiced Barton, is one of the worst
Speaker 1: TV characters to ever Grace the Medium. She's whiny and annoying, selfish,
Speaker 1: and narcissistic from the moment she first appears on screen,
Speaker 1: creepily oggling Ryan until he offers her a cigarette. Her
Speaker 1: entire purpose is to make things more difficult for the
Speaker 1: teens of Newport than they need to be. She starts fights,
Speaker 1: breaks up relationships, forces her friends to literally save her
Speaker 1: life several times, doing absolutely nothing in return, except in
Speaker 1: capital letters, ruin their lives. The author rites got carried
Speaker 1: away constant near death experiences. It's gold plot, she writes,
Speaker 1: almost dying in Tijuana, almost dying with Oliver, almost dying
Speaker 1: with Trey. All right, that one wasn't her fault. Okay,
Speaker 1: what we need you to do? Almost to stop watching me?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, put it down. Put it down. Fine,
Speaker 1: that's actually it's not even being made anymore. So you
Speaker 1: just got to move on. Marissa couldn't go a couple
Speaker 1: of months without nearly getting killed, and every time she
Speaker 1: came close to biting it, her friends had to be
Speaker 1: the ones who saved alive. And when she actually died
Speaker 1: in the third season spoiler, it was because bull Chuck,
Speaker 1: the creepy guy she's been hanging out with, rammed into
Speaker 1: Ryan's cart and ruined his life too. Even in death,
Speaker 1: Marissa couldn't help but make things difficult for everyone around her. Okay,
Speaker 1: you need to see a therapist, because you don't get
Speaker 1: to be mad at someone when they've died. That way,
Speaker 1: she's like dying freaking annoying and selfish, And there are
Speaker 1: so many shows where like the main character is a
Speaker 1: serial killer, and I would argue that they yus. For example,
Speaker 1: she also talks about when Marissa made Ryan's life terrible
Speaker 1: after moving to Newport. The only thing Ryan needed in
Speaker 1: his life was stability and real baby Cooper, the crazy,
Speaker 1: unlikable and totally unappreciative girl next door. Over the course
Speaker 1: there again, off again relationship, Marissa did everything in her
Speaker 1: power to make Ryan's life mising. No, you need to
Speaker 1: speak to the site. Okay. When she died, she sent
Speaker 1: him on a downward spiral that ended with cage fighting.
Speaker 1: What dear Ryan of the OC pilot shut ah, see
Speaker 1: that girl standing there weirdly staring at you. Don't talk
Speaker 1: to her. In fact, get as far away from marrors
Speaker 1: you can trust me? Could Okay? You need to chill.
Speaker 1: You need to chill Marissa as she was needed. The
Speaker 1: chaos is necessary to the story to move Ryan also
Speaker 1: a character. Ryan didn't need stability all right, Ryan needed plot.
Speaker 1: Ryan needed plot in order to sustain the series.
Speaker 3: Okay, and Ryan doesn't need your protection because Ryan isn't real.
Speaker 1: Okay. The most bizarre storylines Marissa and Alex don't let
Speaker 1: her talk me to stay the name, you can't, you
Speaker 1: have to take me home. In season two, we have
Speaker 1: the same sex relationship which Perpetua, which was fun. Precisely
Speaker 1: every stereotype damage about biosexuality. Alex is played by Livia Wilde,
Speaker 1: and she dates both Seth Cohen and Marissa Cooper love
Speaker 1: because by sexual people date everyone in discretion, duplicitous. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can't trust him exactly. That was very much the
Speaker 1: line that they were trying to push in sort of
Speaker 1: the early two thousands was bisexual people. They were like,
Speaker 1: because that bisexuality, it exists. We're not saying it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: We're saying saying, make up your mind, is what we're saying,
Speaker 1: because otherwise they'll take the boys and the girls.
Speaker 3: And then what.
Speaker 1: They were saying, it's manipulative. It's manipulative, and yet you
Speaker 1: can't trust him, and that's just not true. Alex was
Speaker 1: a bad girl, and bisexuality obviously goes hand in hand
Speaker 1: with being a bad rebelliousness. Yes, but there was a
Speaker 1: lot of trivialization around same sex relationships. Kirsten literally says,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's just a phase about Marissa being with
Speaker 1: Alex and when Seth finds out that Alex stated a
Speaker 1: woman before him. He says she needs to be reminded
Speaker 1: that testosterone was missing in her last relationship. Cool. I
Speaker 1: think it is reflective of the world in which this
Speaker 1: show was created, which was that those sorts of awful
Speaker 1: things were being said behind closed doors within families all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, Summer versus Anna. In season one, Seth
Speaker 1: goes from having no friends to having two girls pining
Speaker 1: after him, one who he likes for her personality, Anna,
Speaker 1: and the other he likes because she's hot Summer. Who
Speaker 1: does he choose the whole one Summer? Yeah? Cool, even
Speaker 1: though she's there's a moral in that. I remember thinking
Speaker 1: there was some strange morals. I didn't like it. I
Speaker 1: thought it would be nice if he chose Anna, but
Speaker 1: we all knew it was never going to Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that they dangled the two in front of him
Speaker 1: to try and keep him interested because he wasn't reading
Speaker 1: the scripts, so they were like, pretty thing, No, he
Speaker 1: was pretty sick. Season one, Oh okay, and they're like,
Speaker 1: every man must make a choice between a blonde and
Speaker 1: a brunette. Not usually true, and if you have brown hair,
Speaker 1: you will choose the brunette. If you are blonde, like
Speaker 1: forty five year old right over here, you will choose
Speaker 1: blonde blonde. The blonde is with the blonde. We don't
Speaker 1: cross pollinate. Y yuck yu. And you also must choose
Speaker 1: between hot, rebellious, kind of off the rails and like
Speaker 1: mean and like mean and nice and nice is boring?
Speaker 1: Yeah dark. For plot, Ryan punching people Jesse. Ryan often
Speaker 1: beats someone up in the third act of the episode,
Speaker 1: and it's a conflict, it's a complication, I understand. Yeah. Narratively,
Speaker 1: the tension had to rise and then he'd often throw
Speaker 1: a punch, just as Seth gave a quirky one liner.
Speaker 1: But it went to a whole new level after Marissa died,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to where Ryan decided to take up
Speaker 1: a cage fighting career. There's a scene what is cage fighting? Oh,
Speaker 1: you're in a cage and you're fighting. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: professional fighting. But it's like he has tried to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, take the bad boy out of himself. But
Speaker 1: he's like, I guess I'll just get beaten up, and
Speaker 1: so he does this cage fight where he just gets
Speaker 1: beaten up and lets himself be beaten up. I guess
Speaker 1: because he's grieving. Okay, but then men are weird, but
Speaker 1: men are weird. But then he turns around and wins,
Speaker 1: but doesn't collect his winnings, and it's like too many
Speaker 1: plot points. This is a weird trajectory for Ryan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the man needs to get out of the cave, get
Speaker 1: a job. He's actually quite clever in the show. I
Speaker 1: forgot that he's quite good at school. He should focus
Speaker 1: on that. Put your head down, yep, yep. Needs to
Speaker 1: go to college. Yeah, stop throwing punches, yep. Marissa's death.
Speaker 1: Unless you are Game of Thrones, you simply cannot kill
Speaker 1: off a main character and expect the show to thrive
Speaker 1: in season I think they expected. In season three, things
Speaker 1: are finally looking better for her. They've all graduated. She's
Speaker 1: about to go to Greece to work on a boat,
Speaker 1: and Ryan is driving her to the airport. Then she's
Speaker 1: killed in a car accident caused by vulture.
Speaker 3: Of first, Ryan carries her out of the burning car
Speaker 3: while Halloween play Jesse, did you rewatch this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I will always find that profoundly moving. It's the flashback,
Speaker 1: so she's dying. She still looks so pretty lucky. She
Speaker 1: has a tiny bit of body some would say pretty
Speaker 1: ear because she's just so still and beautiful and you
Speaker 1: can scare at her and she's not moving. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then there's a flashback to like Ryan driving away from
Speaker 1: and she's standing on the street, and it's just it
Speaker 1: honestly makes me feel quite sick with emotion. I think
Speaker 1: they did something there. They did, Yeah, but I will
Speaker 1: say it is bizarre for her to die and then
Speaker 1: expect the story. Didn't she just want to get off
Speaker 1: the show? Yeah? But then the story they should have
Speaker 1: ended the series. Well, they should have ended the series
Speaker 1: after season one. Yeah, and this is why the series
Speaker 1: needed to end when Marissa died. Okay, because then in
Speaker 1: season four we had an alternate universe plot. What, No,
Speaker 1: we didn't, No, we didn't. So Ryan is in a
Speaker 1: relationship joking about a cage fighting. No, well, I mean
Speaker 1: the cage fighting isn't in the alternate universe. But where's
Speaker 1: that that just happens in season four? Okay? Anyway, Ryan
Speaker 1: is in a relationship with Taylor. Who's Taylor, you'd know
Speaker 1: her face. She goes to the school, okay, but they
Speaker 1: both fall off a ladder. How long are they at school,
Speaker 1: like I feel like they were nearly done in season one.
Speaker 1: In season four, like they knew each other from school Oka,
Speaker 1: but like some of the others are at college. They
Speaker 1: both fall off a ladder and into together. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: both on the ladder. Well, yeah, and they're going to
Speaker 1: fall off in a coma, And in that coma they
Speaker 1: enter at an alternate u universe where Ryan never moved
Speaker 1: to Newport Beach for some reason. As I said, both
Speaker 1: Ryan and Taylor are in the alternate universe together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what happens. Actually, I've heard with comas is that
Speaker 1: if you have a comera in someone you know at
Speaker 1: the coma, then it's like ash joined. It's like if
Speaker 1: you're playing like a video game on Xbox and then
Speaker 1: someone else lugs in, kind of like that. Taylor goes
Speaker 1: to Marissa's bedroom in the alternate universe and the maid
Speaker 1: says Miss Cooper's plane arrives at three o'clock from Berkeley,
Speaker 1: which is where Marissa wanted to go. So Taylor believes
Speaker 1: Marissa is still alive in this alternate universe, and she
Speaker 1: tells Ryan, but she doesn't want him to go to
Speaker 1: the airport because she's worried that he'll be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Marissa's here, and then he won't ever want
Speaker 1: to leave the alternate universe. At the air I'm moved.
Speaker 1: I have a little bit more. At the airport, Ryan
Speaker 1: grabs the shoulder of a girl he thinks is Marissa,
Speaker 1: but Marissa said she wouldn't do season four. It's actually
Speaker 1: Marissa's younger sister, Caitlin, otherwise known as Shalene, would lee.
Speaker 1: Only at the beginning, she explains that her sister died
Speaker 1: three years ago of an overdose in Tijuana, So basically
Speaker 1: it's like she would have died. I gotsmumps. She would
Speaker 1: have died in Tijuana, Yeah, which was like before a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff happened. Oh, because I think Ryan rescued
Speaker 1: it from Tijuana. Anyway, everyone else's lives are different. But
Speaker 1: I guess what you learn is that you really need
Speaker 1: to make up alternate universes when you kill off. When
Speaker 1: you run out. Does he come out of the clima, Yeah,
Speaker 1: together with Taylor. Yeah, and he's like ever talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like, I guess he's at peace knowing she
Speaker 1: would have died anyway. Cool. I don't know. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that like doesn't happen. Like there's some
Speaker 1: sad stuff. There's a guy Johnny who falls off a cliff.
Speaker 1: He doesn't fall off the cliff if Ryan doesn't come. Okay, Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: when Marissa shot tries this is such a complicated storyline.
Speaker 1: Whoo's Tray again? Who played him? He's Ryan's brother, you
Speaker 1: know his face? Okay, But he gets out of jail
Speaker 1: and he comes to the OC and he ends up
Speaker 1: sexually assaulting Marissa. When Ryan finds out, he goes to
Speaker 1: Trey's place to confront him and they're fighting. Trey is
Speaker 1: about to he like grabs like a landline phone which
Speaker 1: damn bad a brick and goes to hit him, but
Speaker 1: Marissa grabs the gun and shoots him, and Jesse, can
Speaker 1: you read this T shirt? I still think about when
Speaker 1: Marissa shot Trey to save Ryan while Imagen heaps. Hide
Speaker 1: and Seek played on the OC season two finale, Please
Speaker 1: starve it. That's where it's like what you say, and
Speaker 1: it's all of a sudden slow motion and Tray's the
Speaker 1: bullet go from his back to his front and the
Speaker 1: blood starts pouring out and you're like, as killed Tray yeah,
Speaker 1: but it does say in small text, I downloaded an
Speaker 1: MP three of the song the next day. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we downloaded from Lime Wire.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: So that was the season two finale. Beginning of season three,
Speaker 1: Tray's alive. He survived. He was in a goma obviously,
Speaker 1: and Marissa is now like facing legal consequences, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like Trey just needed to die. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did need to die. But I guess contractually he
Speaker 1: was meant to be another season. Yeah, I guess so, Jesse,
Speaker 1: it's time for charges and sentences. My charge, my biggest
Speaker 1: charge in all of this, is that these young stars
Speaker 1: they thought, well when I say they are mostly mean,
Speaker 1: Adam Brody, yeah, and the little bit Ben mackenzie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thought they could do better than the writers. And what
Speaker 1: they weren't experiencing was say, pressure from the network, feed
Speaker 1: back from producers, all sorts of things about what you
Speaker 1: had to do, what you couldn't do, who needed more time?
Speaker 1: And I just think the arrogance of being yes, forty
Speaker 1: seven years old, No, no, he wasn't. Ben McKenzie was
Speaker 1: not forty seven. Yeah he was by the end, he was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't thirty yet. But the arrogance of thinking, like
Speaker 1: looking down on the writers and not reading the scripts. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you have a go at and Brady and you're high,
Speaker 1: yeah on screen, but looks like you also are in
Speaker 1: your trailer my sentence. A reboot. You know we're rebooting everything,
Speaker 1: aren't we? Yeah? Remember they bloody rebooted the four House.
Speaker 1: They rebooted everything for a minute. None of them work
Speaker 1: and they never did it again. But go on. And
Speaker 1: I really hate the term reboot me too. I don't
Speaker 1: like it. No, it doesn't work anyway. Yeah, So a
Speaker 1: reboot written exclusively by Adam Brady? Has he written since?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, but I want him it would
Speaker 1: be very quippi. I think he's in his twe forties now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I want him to sit down. And he's had
Speaker 1: a lot of experience. He was in Jennifer's Body and
Speaker 1: it's the one with Megan Fox. Never heard of it.
Speaker 1: It's actually really good. I've seen a lot of clips
Speaker 1: of it on TikTok. He was in Mister and Missus Smith,
Speaker 1: he was in Promising Young Woman. He's had the most
Speaker 1: successful career of any of them. Yeah, what's Sandy been in?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him. Yeah, originally she's just on podcasts,
Speaker 1: she is. Anyway, you want Adam to write a series,
Speaker 1: it would be successful to write a season and just reboot.
Speaker 1: I want to know where are we all? Now? Where
Speaker 1: are we? Because none of us are together? Ross is dead?
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? She comes back? Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: he should do, a reboot. But what you do is
Speaker 1: you were raise No, no, no, you were raise seasons two, three,
Speaker 1: and four. Because this is a reboot, pregending that we
Speaker 1: just have season one, which I think was like twenty
Speaker 1: seven to twenty eight episodes. It's actually not about idea
Speaker 1: season one yep, time jump twenty years and now where
Speaker 1: are they? Marissa's still alive accident is sitting Ryan and
Speaker 1: his care facility? Aren't we?
Speaker 3: We are?
Speaker 1: We are all right?
Speaker 2: My charge.
Speaker 1: I remember watching this and feeling so ugly. Oh gosh.
Speaker 1: I remember studying mis she Button's face, the simplicity of it,
Speaker 1: and being like, why is my face so complicated? It
Speaker 1: has remembered many parts yeah face yeah, yeah, like there's
Speaker 1: so much wrong with it. And I remember looking at
Speaker 1: Marissa and there was one episode where she wore a
Speaker 1: boob stoop. She look great and strapless, great bone shoulders
Speaker 1: and pearls. And I found myself going to a beach party.
Speaker 1: Oh no, And I did wear pearls to the beach
Speaker 1: and I think back to that, and I think, no, no,
Speaker 1: pearls should never be in a situation where they get sandy.
Speaker 3: They were pearls, but you know when they were like
Speaker 3: colored beads. Oh no, colored beads with a.
Speaker 1: Lovely burnt orange boob tube. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: am Mischa Barton, don't get me mixed up. No one,
Speaker 1: No one did. She would have said, she would have said,
Speaker 1: you're too voluptuous, and she's more understated sex. Unfortunately, you
Speaker 1: are right. My sentence is that it was just never
Speaker 1: made with the right people because seventeen year olds are disgusting.
Speaker 1: Hear me out. Seventeen year olds are greasy. They all
Speaker 1: have hormonal acne. Because I don't know what's going on yet,
Speaker 1: you've probably not got your braces off making bad fashion decisions. Yep,
Speaker 1: you're experimenting with fake tan. Yeah. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: I've been spending a lot of time at my local library,
Speaker 1: and that is where HS students hang out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there is no one, no offense anything more insufferable, and
Speaker 1: so it needs to be like these teenagers that oscillate
Speaker 1: from like Oh, we're so cool, let's go to a party,
Speaker 1: and then being I think that the maths teachers really
Speaker 1: didn't mark that fair. We need more of a built
Speaker 1: need more. I saw a thing this is totally unrelated.
Speaker 1: I saw a thing at the library, a little poster.
Speaker 1: I nearly took a photo for you because I thought
Speaker 1: it would upset you that said we're having a night
Speaker 1: for everyone doing the HC. Come, We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about study skills. And I was like, study skills, great,
Speaker 1: and then it said what food to pack? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I hate you, I hate you. Why do
Speaker 1: you need a session on snacking? That's what a plot
Speaker 1: thing should be. They all go to a night where
Speaker 1: someone says, you know, make sure that you have some fruit.
Speaker 1: So wait, that was on the study skills. Having said
Speaker 1: that was on the agenda of the night where they
Speaker 1: tell you what to do. It was like nutrition and snap,
Speaker 1: okay for your exams. Seventeen year olds take themselves far
Speaker 1: too seriously. Yeah, for people whom you want to shake
Speaker 1: and say doesn't mean anything. No, you can't you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't and you've not shot Trey, so you don't
Speaker 1: have real issues. No, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: at least they had. Marissa died in a car crash,
Speaker 1: hectic issues just after she graduated, Seth adicted to wedicted.
Speaker 1: You have little small scale issueses. Before we go, I
Speaker 1: want to read you a laser girls story which you
Speaker 1: know who would relate to lazy girl stories, Adam, lazy
Speaker 1: girl story from Jamie. When I was a teenager, my
Speaker 1: boyfriend and I would often use a lamb line to
Speaker 1: call my sister in the next remover on her Nokia
Speaker 1: three sixty and ask her to make his pancakes. We'd
Speaker 1: bribe her and tell her we'd get give her pocket money.
Speaker 1: Little did she know that while she was baking her
Speaker 1: little heart out for us, I'd sneak into a room
Speaker 1: and steal her own money and give it back to
Speaker 1: her as payment. Lazy girls don't carry cash. I love it.
Speaker 1: Lazy girls don't carry cash needs to be on a team,
Speaker 1: it does, it does. If we have cash, we stole
Speaker 1: it from mum'sdraw. Okay, there's also something in there about
Speaker 1: I think pancakes. We're an oddly prominent feature of Lazy
Speaker 1: Girl's adolescents. Yes, particularly the one where you just started water.
Speaker 1: You just do a bit of a shake and you
Speaker 1: for them out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta wait till it bubbles. We should make pancakes,
Speaker 1: those girl pancakes. It's just a recipe. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I did make pancakes from Utilda the other day and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, it takes me back, takes me back
Speaker 1: to being a teenage lazy girl. That would be our os.
Speaker 1: It's just making pancakes at six pm on a cheese today.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this episode
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