WEBVTT - The O.C: Seth’s Behind-The-Scenes Antics And The Issue With Marissa 0:00:11.189 --> 0:00:15.389 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom and Maya 0:00:15.429 --> 0:00:18.709 acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this 0:00:18.749 --> 0:00:31.149 podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to cancel. The 0:00:31.189 --> 0:00:34.149 podcast looks at seely celebrity crimes and as science charges 0:00:34.189 --> 0:00:36.029 and sentences to them so we can all move on 0:00:36.109 --> 0:00:39.309 with our lives. I'm Klas Stephens and I'm Jesse Stephens. 0:00:39.709 --> 0:00:47.949 And Jesse today we're talking about the OC. Welcome to 0:00:47.989 --> 0:00:50.829 the OC, bitch, Who are you? 0:00:52.069 --> 0:00:53.069 Whoever you want me to be? 0:00:53.789 --> 0:00:58.269 She Ill Ryan's gonna stream with us. Now do you 0:00:58.349 --> 0:01:02.509 what from your current are you? This is one of 0:01:02.509 --> 0:01:06.429 those episodes where you go, oh, this was twenty years ago. 0:01:06.829 --> 0:01:09.949 Does it feel urgent? And the answer is yes, it does. 0:01:10.109 --> 0:01:12.669 I feel urgent because I don't know if you're gonna 0:01:12.669 --> 0:01:15.629 say this, but because of what I might describe as 0:01:15.709 --> 0:01:18.989 the resurgence of one Seth Cohen. And I don't mean 0:01:19.069 --> 0:01:22.109 Adam Brody, I mean Seth Cohen, because Seth Cohen is 0:01:22.149 --> 0:01:26.269 Seth Cohen again in a Netflix series called Nobody Wants 0:01:26.309 --> 0:01:29.429 This something like that. Yeah. Yeah, So I will tell 0:01:29.469 --> 0:01:31.429 you before you begin. I will tell you my vibe 0:01:31.709 --> 0:01:34.149 because you've watched some I haven't watched any You never 0:01:34.229 --> 0:01:38.749 watched the OC. No, the OC obviously, this new show. No, 0:01:38.789 --> 0:01:40.029 I don't want to talk about the new show. I 0:01:40.029 --> 0:01:43.869 want to about the OC quickly. You've seen a few episodes. 0:01:43.869 --> 0:01:46.389 If nobody wants this, no, Claire, I watched fifteen minutes 0:01:46.429 --> 0:01:50.469 and vibe. I didn't love it. I didn't, and I'm 0:01:50.509 --> 0:01:53.269 alone in that. I don't know. I don't know, and 0:01:53.309 --> 0:01:55.989 everyone else likes it, but I just wasn't. In a 0:01:56.149 --> 0:01:58.389 food or something, I'm gonna love it. I quite like 0:01:58.429 --> 0:02:02.669 the Jewish storyline because she's a shitska, which is what 0:02:02.709 --> 0:02:04.349 I am, which is when you are a woman who 0:02:04.349 --> 0:02:05.989 is not Jewish with a man who is Jewish. I 0:02:05.989 --> 0:02:09.789 think the Jewish stuff very fun. But anyway, it wasn't 0:02:09.829 --> 0:02:13.189 for me. Now my vibes's on the OCA, okay, Ryan, 0:02:13.629 --> 0:02:17.789 forty nine year old Mischa Barton did seem twenty. I 0:02:17.869 --> 0:02:23.149 remember being very young and seeing Mischa Barton's face and body. 0:02:23.469 --> 0:02:26.789 I remember seeing her described as a coat hanger, that 0:02:26.829 --> 0:02:29.909 she could wear anything, and I remember thinking, I wonder 0:02:29.949 --> 0:02:31.789 if I'm a coat Marrian, not a coat hanger. You're 0:02:31.829 --> 0:02:35.709 more of a brick. Yeah, yeah, just because you're short 0:02:35.789 --> 0:02:39.189 and you know, things go out and yeah, there's like shape, 0:02:39.509 --> 0:02:43.789 I can't wear anything. My other recollections are Sandy Cohen's 0:02:43.789 --> 0:02:49.069 eyebrows for play. Oh hereah, you know. 0:02:51.429 --> 0:02:57.989 Massaging you No, no nibbling the that. Look, here's a point. 0:02:58.149 --> 0:03:00.749 Just because you're ready to go, it doesn't mean she is. 0:03:00.789 --> 0:03:01.629 I'm always ready to go. 0:03:01.749 --> 0:03:02.549 Oh you my son. 0:03:03.389 --> 0:03:08.549 We Cohens are very sexual beings. Viral get you just disgusting. 0:03:08.829 --> 0:03:11.069 Seth kind of a lovely home and it was nice 0:03:11.069 --> 0:03:16.069 to hear housed Ryan and Rachel Bilson. Okay, some I 0:03:16.109 --> 0:03:19.069 wanted to go to Brown. I think that's all I've got. Okay, 0:03:19.189 --> 0:03:22.309 Brown is a university. Yes, and she did go, did she? 0:03:22.549 --> 0:03:25.229 And then she got Actually I didn't include this. She 0:03:25.389 --> 0:03:28.789 actually got expelled. Can you get expelled from university? Kicked 0:03:28.829 --> 0:03:35.869 out of university for freeing lab rabbits love with her 0:03:35.989 --> 0:03:40.349 friend Chris Pratt, who was her college friend? Yes, now, yes, 0:03:40.389 --> 0:03:43.229 we should probably add that when you're at university, you 0:03:43.269 --> 0:03:46.789 had a labrat named Cruder. Yeah, crudis critis. Yeah, I 0:03:46.789 --> 0:03:50.869 had a labrat, and you teach Crudis some things things, yep, 0:03:50.909 --> 0:03:52.829 to turn around a circle, and creutis never learned to think, 0:03:52.949 --> 0:03:56.989 and that was because the incentive was food and Curtis 0:03:57.109 --> 0:03:59.549 what wasn't food motivated. Crudis was a big boy, and 0:03:59.589 --> 0:04:05.469 Crudis was, as my lecturer said, say she ated. Ah, 0:04:05.549 --> 0:04:10.029 I wasn't motivated. Okay, anyway, nobody wants this got me 0:04:10.309 --> 0:04:13.069 thinking about the OC. Yeah. It aired from two thousand 0:04:13.109 --> 0:04:15.989 and three until two thousand and seven, with four seasons 0:04:16.149 --> 0:04:19.869 and ninety two episodes. Fantastic and that was the beginning 0:04:19.869 --> 0:04:23.389 of an iconic era of teen show great music. 0:04:23.269 --> 0:04:24.549 A long time girl. 0:04:25.429 --> 0:04:27.909 We used to with friendsperd about. 0:04:34.589 --> 0:04:45.469 Make a deal with God someday, Oh, dawning. I didn't 0:04:45.509 --> 0:04:46.189 realize that. 0:04:46.269 --> 0:04:49.309 Literally by the end of the OC, the creators slash 0:04:49.349 --> 0:04:52.269 showrunners were already working on Gossip Girl. Like it's the 0:04:52.269 --> 0:04:56.069 same creators. And I feel like the OC overlapped with 0:04:56.149 --> 0:05:00.469 Laguna Beach, which was geographically Yes, it was the inspiration 0:05:00.909 --> 0:05:03.229 the first season of that. They were like, we need 0:05:03.309 --> 0:05:08.669 more set here, specifically with hot people. Yeah, and they 0:05:08.669 --> 0:05:11.109 did that and it was excellent. Oh, we should do 0:05:11.149 --> 0:05:15.149 an episode about Laguna Beach. Oh. The OC centered around 0:05:15.189 --> 0:05:17.709 Ryan Atwood, who, as he mentioned, was meant to be 0:05:17.709 --> 0:05:21.029 a teenager but was seventy five years old. No, he 0:05:21.069 --> 0:05:24.549 was twenty three. He had ostereiporosis, so probably No, he 0:05:24.629 --> 0:05:27.109 went straight from Seth Cohen's pool room to an old 0:05:27.149 --> 0:05:30.709 age home. He did, No, he didn't. He was only twenty. 0:05:31.869 --> 0:05:34.309 He is a troubled youth and his mother kicks him out, 0:05:34.349 --> 0:05:38.229 and Sandy and Kirsten Cohen take him in. They're rich 0:05:38.309 --> 0:05:42.109 and have a lone of sons, and Ryan has to 0:05:42.149 --> 0:05:44.629 adapt from his life of violence and poverty to this 0:05:44.749 --> 0:05:48.469 fancy one. But he learns even rich people have their problems, 0:05:48.509 --> 0:05:56.549 which is a really important lesson. I remember reading that 0:05:56.589 --> 0:06:00.109 their swimming pool was only ankle deep. Oh that's a 0:06:00.149 --> 0:06:02.989 fun thing in real life, Like they couldn't actually swim 0:06:02.989 --> 0:06:05.949 in it, which made me feel sad. I mean, wasn't 0:06:05.989 --> 0:06:08.629 at order to set I guess, I know, not the pool. 0:06:08.869 --> 0:06:12.549 Not the pool. Well, he falls in love with Marissa, 0:06:12.589 --> 0:06:15.789 and he befriends Seth, and that first season was where 0:06:15.789 --> 0:06:18.629 most of your memories of the OC come from. 0:06:18.949 --> 0:06:23.069 Oh. Also, that wasn't exactly the way that I first 0:06:23.149 --> 0:06:26.389 planned to talk to Summer, but I am now on 0:06:26.429 --> 0:06:29.229 her radar. Do you think I should tell her about Tdahiti? 0:06:29.509 --> 0:06:32.829 Do you that's I thought. Let's see, that's what I 0:06:32.869 --> 0:06:34.269 was thinking. I wanted to make sure that we were 0:06:34.269 --> 0:06:35.029 on the same page. 0:06:35.109 --> 0:06:38.309 The love triangle between seth Anna and Summer. 0:06:38.789 --> 0:06:41.069 Was itting, Okay, thanks fine, let meet you back upstairs. 0:06:41.669 --> 0:06:42.309 Smoke alarm. 0:06:42.669 --> 0:06:46.069 Summer Anna sat hotly awkward. 0:06:46.309 --> 0:06:46.829 This is weird. 0:06:46.869 --> 0:06:49.309 I want to explain everything to you. Guys. I kissed you. 0:06:49.869 --> 0:06:53.029 I know, I kissed you so true. I always knew 0:06:53.029 --> 0:06:55.549 you were late, bloom were sweety. We you not go? 0:06:55.749 --> 0:06:56.029 Please? 0:06:56.069 --> 0:06:57.029 Oh you don't want her to go? 0:06:57.989 --> 0:07:03.749 No? No, I mean yes, I mean yes, nice. Okay, 0:07:03.749 --> 0:07:04.749 that was awkward with her here. 0:07:04.829 --> 0:07:06.949 Now finally she's gone. Let me tell you something. 0:07:07.509 --> 0:07:10.989 The great music Anna, Yep, all of that. It's simply 0:07:11.309 --> 0:07:17.829 was then in the Bad Day film clip. Forgot about that, 0:07:18.109 --> 0:07:21.269 and she's good that day, And I was like, didn't 0:07:21.389 --> 0:07:23.949 she's with seth I like her short hair. No, she 0:07:24.149 --> 0:07:29.349 moved back to Pittsburgh anyway. It simply went downhill from there, Jesse. 0:07:29.549 --> 0:07:34.549 Some fun facts quick cameos Chris Pratt. As aforementioned, he 0:07:34.629 --> 0:07:38.989 was in season four as a college activist. Max Greenfield, 0:07:39.109 --> 0:07:41.669 who went on to play Schmidt in New Girl, was 0:07:41.709 --> 0:07:46.189 a young Sandy Cohen in a flashback o good casting 0:07:46.629 --> 0:07:50.949 Shaylene Woodley. I was originally Marissa's younger sister in season one. 0:07:51.269 --> 0:07:53.149 Then she went to boarding school and when she came 0:07:53.229 --> 0:07:56.269 back she was a different actions. I love when they 0:07:56.309 --> 0:08:00.229 think we won't notice. Olivia Wilde originally auditioned to Marissa, 0:08:00.709 --> 0:08:03.589 but then she went on to play Alex, Marissa's love interest. 0:08:03.869 --> 0:08:06.789 Paris Hilton had a cameo in season one and kissed Seth. 0:08:06.949 --> 0:08:10.709 Relaxed his all checks are so late. We're not from 0:08:10.829 --> 0:08:13.509 La Orange County, Orange County. 0:08:14.309 --> 0:08:17.109 And but heard had a cameo in season two. There 0:08:17.109 --> 0:08:20.069 are many more. I could go on forever, but none 0:08:20.109 --> 0:08:23.229 of that matters. I want to I want like it. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:23.229 --> 0:08:25.669 a reunion where they all hang out. It's like they 0:08:25.709 --> 0:08:28.309 all say, I've seen some shit. Well you'll want to 0:08:28.309 --> 0:08:31.429 reunion more after all. Right, what I'm about to tell 0:08:31.429 --> 0:08:35.869 you My structure for today's follows. Inappropriate relationships, both on 0:08:35.949 --> 0:08:40.069 and off screen. Poor behavior on set was Marissa The 0:08:40.069 --> 0:08:47.149 worst and most bizarre storylines Inappropriate relationships on screen Julie Cooper, 0:08:47.469 --> 0:08:48.469 Marissa's mother. 0:08:48.629 --> 0:08:51.469 Wake Up Jimmy. The Sigbreeds donated a pool and a 0:08:51.509 --> 0:08:53.389 field house their son only small part. 0:08:53.789 --> 0:08:54.909 Marissa shot someone. 0:08:55.309 --> 0:08:56.269 We've got to at least give them a. 0:08:56.309 --> 0:08:59.269 Underground how she was annoying, she had like red hair, 0:08:59.589 --> 0:09:02.749 and she she had a problem, She had all sorts 0:09:02.789 --> 0:09:06.229 of problems. She has a relationship with the ex boyfriend 0:09:06.269 --> 0:09:11.469 of her daughter. I'd forgotten. Now it's accepted Luke is 0:09:11.549 --> 0:09:15.629 now big on TikTok. He's big on TikTok and he 0:09:15.749 --> 0:09:20.389 was in Nashville. Yeah, he does funny, funny tiktoks about 0:09:20.429 --> 0:09:24.269 having been on the OC. Anyway, it's accepted in the 0:09:24.309 --> 0:09:27.189 OC that the kids are all sixteen or seventeen, and 0:09:27.309 --> 0:09:30.349 Luke is in the same year as everyone else at school. Therefore, 0:09:30.629 --> 0:09:34.829 Julie having sex with him, which she does, would technically 0:09:34.949 --> 0:09:38.309 be stated true rape, but it was more like a 0:09:38.349 --> 0:09:42.589 bit sexy yeah, and a bit naughty yeah. Instead it's 0:09:42.629 --> 0:09:45.069 played off as drama and it's all like this will 0:09:45.069 --> 0:09:48.669 destroy Marissa, and it's a bit like how about Luke, 0:09:48.829 --> 0:09:52.789 how's Luke doing? Yeah? But the writers did add a 0:09:52.829 --> 0:09:57.789 tiny detail to make the relationship technically legal. Melinda Clark, 0:09:57.829 --> 0:10:01.909 who played Julie, told in Style the kids are technically sixteen, 0:10:02.029 --> 0:10:04.789 but there's a scene where Luke and Julie are having 0:10:04.829 --> 0:10:07.869 their rendezvous and in the morning he's like, I don't 0:10:07.869 --> 0:10:09.749 want to be late for home room. That's when you 0:10:09.789 --> 0:10:13.269 know things a fucked anyway, and Julie goes, you have homeroom, right, 0:10:13.469 --> 0:10:16.869 because you're in high school and you're only eighteen. They 0:10:16.909 --> 0:10:19.629 added that he was eighteen, so the insinuation is he 0:10:19.669 --> 0:10:22.869 started school late or got held back, which is believable 0:10:22.909 --> 0:10:27.229 when you knew his character. Yes, but is still not. Okay, 0:10:27.389 --> 0:10:31.909 you can't but it's the law. No, but it's not right. No, 0:10:31.949 --> 0:10:35.669 but they were hot together, okay, okay. Well, Also, when 0:10:35.669 --> 0:10:39.709 Marissa discovers the relationship, she hits Luke and tells him 0:10:39.709 --> 0:10:42.629 to stay away from her before wishing him dead. And 0:10:42.669 --> 0:10:46.989 then he leaves town and it's like he goes child. 0:10:47.069 --> 0:10:52.509 He was preyed upon, prayed upon by Massa's who just 0:10:52.669 --> 0:10:57.749 goes along wreaking havoc. It's honestly chaos. Then there was 0:10:57.789 --> 0:11:10.469 Marissa and Ryan's relationship. I liked that No, behind the scene, 0:11:10.709 --> 0:11:13.949 oh because they were both playing teenagers. Yep. But Mischa 0:11:13.989 --> 0:11:17.069 Barton was seventeen at the beginning of the show and 0:11:17.069 --> 0:11:19.789 Ben McKenzie was forty five. No, he wasn't he was 0:11:19.829 --> 0:11:25.149 twenty five. Okay, that's fine, it's not when again, the 0:11:25.189 --> 0:11:29.029 age of consent in California is eighteen. Yeah, but they 0:11:29.029 --> 0:11:33.069 weren't having real sex on screen. They probably were because 0:11:33.109 --> 0:11:35.429 they were in a relationship, were they, Yeah, from the 0:11:35.429 --> 0:11:37.869 beginning of filming. Well, I'm sure they weren't having sex 0:11:37.909 --> 0:11:40.309 then because it was against the law. Well, Mischa Barton 0:11:40.709 --> 0:11:44.869 has pretty much implied that they were. Okay, So earlier 0:11:44.909 --> 0:11:47.509 this year she was a guest John call her daddy. Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:47.549 --> 0:11:50.469 Now I saw the clips and she said that her 0:11:50.749 --> 0:11:53.589 and Ben Mackenzie were in a relationship right from the 0:11:53.589 --> 0:11:56.149 beginning of filming. She said, I mean it was kind 0:11:56.149 --> 0:11:59.429 of complicated for me. I went into that a virgin, 0:11:59.709 --> 0:12:02.669 like a kid, like really feeling like I needed to 0:12:02.669 --> 0:12:06.989 grow up quickly. That was my first Okay, yep, it's 0:12:07.029 --> 0:12:10.749 like relationship or so, what's the age of consent? Eighteen 0:12:10.909 --> 0:12:13.429 eighteen and she was seventeen. She said, I had no 0:12:13.469 --> 0:12:15.749 idea what I was doing. She said she ended the 0:12:15.789 --> 0:12:18.949 relationship with him while the two were still acting together 0:12:19.069 --> 0:12:21.149 on the show, and she said, we just had to 0:12:21.229 --> 0:12:23.389 suck it up and get on with it. But there 0:12:23.429 --> 0:12:26.549 was a lot of jabs behind the scenes and off camera. 0:12:26.709 --> 0:12:28.789 I felt like that kind of ostracized me as well, 0:12:28.869 --> 0:12:31.549 because there was a marked difference in maturity level there, 0:12:32.229 --> 0:12:34.469 and she said she felt not mature enough to continue 0:12:34.469 --> 0:12:38.269 the relationship and that it was overwhelming. I find that 0:12:38.349 --> 0:12:42.549 a little bit problematic. It is seventeen and twenty five, 0:12:43.229 --> 0:12:45.509 and I know she'd been in the industry and that 0:12:45.509 --> 0:12:46.949 sort of thing, but I don't know, I feel a 0:12:46.989 --> 0:12:49.269 bit funny about it. She was a ghost in the 0:12:49.309 --> 0:12:51.349 sixth sense. She was a ghost where you know her from. 0:12:51.389 --> 0:12:54.589 She came who under the bed. She was terrifying. She 0:12:54.669 --> 0:12:57.189 was absolutely terrifying. And now I think we've talked about 0:12:57.189 --> 0:12:59.269 it before, every time I get out of bed, I 0:12:59.269 --> 0:13:02.389 imagine Micha Barton's there, she's gonna grabbed my Ankle's pale 0:13:02.589 --> 0:13:07.109 because she's sick. Ghost. She's vomiting because her mother's poisoning her. Yeah, 0:13:07.669 --> 0:13:11.309 poor behavior on that's sixth sense. Didn't make that clear enough. 0:13:12.029 --> 0:13:15.869 Poor behavior on set. When you have four very young 0:13:15.909 --> 0:13:20.549 stars become famous very quickly, people start being this to 0:13:20.629 --> 0:13:25.269 each other. Yes, okay, Tate Donov not seth oh. Sorry, 0:13:25.589 --> 0:13:28.829 you'll see. He was the most sticky no, he was, No, 0:13:28.909 --> 0:13:33.149 he was. Tate Donovan played Marissa's deadbeat dad, Jimmy, and 0:13:33.189 --> 0:13:36.069 he told Vulture he found it difficult working with those 0:13:36.109 --> 0:13:39.389 stars while he was directing an episode. He said, by 0:13:39.429 --> 0:13:41.389 the time I started to direct, the kids on the 0:13:41.429 --> 0:13:44.709 show had developed a really bad attitude. They just didn't 0:13:44.709 --> 0:13:47.109 want to be doing the show anymore. It was pretty tough. 0:13:47.269 --> 0:13:49.669 They were very tough to work with. The adults were 0:13:49.709 --> 0:13:52.789 all fantastic, but you know how it is with young actors. 0:13:52.829 --> 0:13:54.789 When you achieve a certain amount of success, you want 0:13:54.789 --> 0:13:57.109 to be doing something else. I mean, one of them 0:13:57.109 --> 0:13:59.189 turned to me and said, this show is ruining my 0:13:59.229 --> 0:14:01.509 film career, and he had never done a film before. 0:14:02.709 --> 0:14:04.949 Side note. In a moment, I think it will become 0:14:04.989 --> 0:14:09.909 clear who this was. The guy who played bad boy Volchok. 0:14:10.389 --> 0:14:14.069 Do you remember Vold Top Yeah, yeah, vaguely, yeah, really hot? 0:14:14.869 --> 0:14:20.269 Really yeah, no you should. His name's cam Gigandett, he 0:14:20.309 --> 0:14:23.029 told Elle magazine. The things that I remember now, none 0:14:23.029 --> 0:14:24.989 of them are good. It was only the third or 0:14:24.989 --> 0:14:28.549 fourth season. Those kids I remember him. Oh he's been 0:14:28.589 --> 0:14:33.269 in Twilight. So hot, he said. Those kids were fucking miserable. 0:14:33.349 --> 0:14:36.349 They could not remember their lines. On purpose. They were young. 0:14:36.709 --> 0:14:38.829 He said, Ben mackenzie was kind of mean to me. 0:14:39.109 --> 0:14:41.029 I hadn't done anything at that point, and he was 0:14:41.029 --> 0:14:43.189 a little bit of an ass. Then he was asked 0:14:43.189 --> 0:14:46.069 about Mischa Barton, who played his on screen love interest, 0:14:46.229 --> 0:14:48.549 and he said, was she there? I don't even have 0:14:48.669 --> 0:14:53.549 memories of her now, But it would seem that the 0:14:53.589 --> 0:14:57.469 person we really need to talk about attitude wise is 0:14:57.509 --> 0:14:59.469 none other than Adam Brody. 0:15:00.229 --> 0:15:00.949 Yeah, that's right. 0:15:01.749 --> 0:15:03.349 I'm a big doork and I listen to EMO and 0:15:03.349 --> 0:15:08.869 I'm dating her. I like you this much, and if 0:15:08.869 --> 0:15:12.629 you don't feel the same way about me, someone's gonna 0:15:12.629 --> 0:15:14.309 have to give me a handdown because it's really high 0:15:14.389 --> 0:15:16.509 up here and I could fall and that would be embarrassing. 0:15:17.109 --> 0:15:20.149 Just comes across as very likable. Do you think I've 0:15:20.269 --> 0:15:24.269 been watching a few interviews and interviews. He's very he's giving, 0:15:24.949 --> 0:15:28.709 he's giving. Blake Lively so different anyway. 0:15:29.149 --> 0:15:31.709 I mean, I think just in terms of at least 0:15:32.589 --> 0:15:36.789 I don't know the profession time. I guess I just 0:15:36.829 --> 0:15:38.429 don't look at it through that lens. 0:15:39.029 --> 0:15:45.789 So I watched one interview and he was fine, and 0:15:45.829 --> 0:15:49.989 he is married to Blair Waldorf, which is what they 0:15:50.029 --> 0:15:55.269 describe as a millennial wet drain. Very true. Well, at 0:15:55.269 --> 0:15:57.749 the end of last year, the cast and crew opened 0:15:57.829 --> 0:16:00.389 up about the reality of the OC in a book 0:16:00.509 --> 0:16:04.269 called Welcome to the OC, The Oral History Serious creator 0:16:04.349 --> 0:16:07.469 Josh Schwartz was the first to admit everyone was sick 0:16:07.509 --> 0:16:09.709 of the series by the time they got into the 0:16:09.709 --> 0:16:12.669 third or fourth seasons. I'm interested in them being sick 0:16:12.709 --> 0:16:16.069 of it. This is the make like Ben mackenzie, Yeah, 0:16:16.469 --> 0:16:19.589 where you've been, where you've been. This is the heart 0:16:19.669 --> 0:16:21.909 of your career. This is something that actors wait their 0:16:21.949 --> 0:16:25.789 whole lives for. Just put your head down, be like 0:16:25.909 --> 0:16:29.069 the Friends cast, and just hold on for the ride. 0:16:29.189 --> 0:16:31.389 I wouldn't be wanting to jump off for the film 0:16:31.429 --> 0:16:33.989 that isn't there yet for you to be in, Josh 0:16:34.109 --> 0:16:36.029 Wartz said, by the time we got to season three, 0:16:36.149 --> 0:16:39.029 we were all burned out. We'd made so many episodes 0:16:39.069 --> 0:16:41.269 so quickly, and I think it wasn't a happy set 0:16:41.309 --> 0:16:44.509 for long stretches of it. Quite frankly, everybody was over 0:16:44.509 --> 0:16:46.629 it by that point, and I was one of those 0:16:46.629 --> 0:16:49.509 people who was over it. It had been a great ride, 0:16:49.589 --> 0:16:53.149 but it had been a volatile ride. Executive producer Stephanie 0:16:53.189 --> 0:16:57.749 Savage also noted the morale among the cast was very lackluster, 0:16:58.309 --> 0:17:00.309 and said they had started to be a bit petulant, 0:17:00.389 --> 0:17:04.429 with directors having an attitude reading a book during rehearsal 0:17:04.509 --> 0:17:08.669 instead of paying attention, that kind of thing. Melinda Clark, 0:17:08.709 --> 0:17:12.549 who played Julie, we were very aware in seasoning you 0:17:12.549 --> 0:17:18.629 should imprison fictionally, fictionally fictionally. We were very aware in 0:17:18.669 --> 0:17:22.309 season three of how disliked the scripts were, especially by 0:17:22.349 --> 0:17:24.669 the kids. They're calling them kids. I mean, we've said 0:17:24.669 --> 0:17:31.629 it once, we'll say it again. Is on a pension? Yeah, 0:17:31.829 --> 0:17:36.069 he's not a child. Well, Adam and Ben were like, 0:17:36.349 --> 0:17:39.149 we're grown men and we're playing in high school still. 0:17:39.389 --> 0:17:43.789 Adam Brody has admitted that he stopped reading scripts after 0:17:43.829 --> 0:17:48.269 a time. Will you could tell her well, with producers 0:17:48.309 --> 0:17:52.469 saying that the scripts piled up outside his trailer. The 0:17:52.509 --> 0:17:55.069 director had to have a conversation with him about being 0:17:55.109 --> 0:17:58.189 more invested in the job that you're getting paid a 0:17:58.229 --> 0:18:01.709 lot of money to do. He was so disinterested the 0:18:01.749 --> 0:18:04.909 writers had to come up with a plot to explain 0:18:05.149 --> 0:18:10.349 why his performance was so poor. Joshwartz said Brody just 0:18:10.469 --> 0:18:14.109 changed his delivery, his investment in it hang on if 0:18:14.149 --> 0:18:17.989 I'm remembering this correctly, Like he became so vague and 0:18:18.029 --> 0:18:20.749 disinterested that someone was like, are you going to fight 0:18:20.829 --> 0:18:23.229 for me? And he was like, am not really well? 0:18:24.149 --> 0:18:26.829 His style shifted to such a degree that we felt 0:18:26.909 --> 0:18:30.229 like we needed to account for it creatively. Josh Swartz said, 0:18:30.509 --> 0:18:35.629 that's where Caitlin gets seth hooked on pot. We were like, 0:18:35.989 --> 0:18:40.029 how do we explain his lethargy on lessergy? And at 0:18:40.109 --> 0:18:42.789 least if we can write that he's stoned, then we're 0:18:42.789 --> 0:18:46.789 not trying to write around it. They literally had to 0:18:46.909 --> 0:18:51.029 make him have a weed problem to explain why he 0:18:51.189 --> 0:18:55.069 no longer speaks in sentences. He has not read the 0:18:55.109 --> 0:18:59.589 script no. Adam Brody has said I was polite to everyone. 0:19:00.269 --> 0:19:03.189 I liked the directors, the crew, and I got on 0:19:03.229 --> 0:19:07.309 really well. I didn't keep people waiting. Okay, I would 0:19:07.629 --> 0:19:10.029 do you read the script's mate? I would never scream 0:19:10.229 --> 0:19:12.509 or yell at anyone. No, no one's accusing you of 0:19:12.509 --> 0:19:16.269 screaming or yelling say anything fucking mean. But I think 0:19:16.349 --> 0:19:19.629 I very much let my distaste for the later episodes 0:19:19.669 --> 0:19:22.589 be known. I didn't mask that at all, and I'm 0:19:22.589 --> 0:19:24.829 sure I openly mocked it. A bit, so I'm not 0:19:24.949 --> 0:19:27.629 proud of that. Okay, in his defense and actually the 0:19:27.629 --> 0:19:31.309 defense of all of the cast, like at a young age, 0:19:31.709 --> 0:19:36.429 he was seth fucking Cohen. Oh must have been awful. No, 0:19:37.309 --> 0:19:39.749 I think that that just gives you an ego. Oh yeah, 0:19:39.789 --> 0:19:43.269 like every girl was in love with him. He has 0:19:43.389 --> 0:19:46.749 just skyrocketed to fame out of nowhere. This all sounds 0:19:46.789 --> 0:19:49.429 like ego. Yes, well, he said, I started to be 0:19:49.469 --> 0:19:52.589 creatively less interested. I blame myself for a lack of 0:19:52.629 --> 0:19:56.789 professionalism and a disrespect to the work. In terms of 0:19:56.909 --> 0:20:00.069 engagement as a whole, I'll just say that they are 0:20:00.149 --> 0:20:04.349 different shows season one and the later seasons. Had the 0:20:04.469 --> 0:20:08.109 quality been the quality of Season one, I'm sure I 0:20:08.149 --> 0:20:11.149 would have been a lot more engaged. Chicken our egg, Adam, 0:20:11.469 --> 0:20:15.629 chicken of it and my engagement went hand in hand. 0:20:16.109 --> 0:20:18.669 Chicken or egg. They had to write you as a 0:20:18.709 --> 0:20:23.189 stoner because you gave them nothing in his offense. That 0:20:23.469 --> 0:20:28.709 is the general consensus that the first season was lightning 0:20:28.749 --> 0:20:31.989 in a bottle and they simply could not recreate it. 0:20:32.069 --> 0:20:34.549 Things got weirder and weirder. And this is the thing 0:20:34.589 --> 0:20:37.069 about television, right We've been doing a bit of television writing, 0:20:37.109 --> 0:20:39.389 and what they always say is you write the kind 0:20:39.429 --> 0:20:41.429 of story arc for season one, and they always say, 0:20:41.429 --> 0:20:43.669 all right, where do we go to season two? And 0:20:43.749 --> 0:20:45.709 sometimes you want to say, I don't think this is 0:20:45.709 --> 0:20:49.509 a multiple season. I think this is a single story. 0:20:49.549 --> 0:20:51.949 It's like when you write a book, unless you're writing 0:20:51.989 --> 0:20:54.109 a series, it's like I'm thinking I'll just wrap it 0:20:54.189 --> 0:20:56.709 up at the end and have a holiday and have 0:20:56.789 --> 0:20:59.749 a sleep. But with television, it's like, if it works, 0:20:59.749 --> 0:21:02.629 if there's proof of concept. I think we ought they're 0:21:02.669 --> 0:21:04.989 like but more, but more, and you're like, they're just 0:21:05.109 --> 0:21:08.549 they're just the still at school, the OC and it's 0:21:08.589 --> 0:21:10.309 like we feel like we kind of covered that in 0:21:10.349 --> 0:21:13.349 the first Yeah, now, like will they won't they? That 0:21:13.509 --> 0:21:17.709 was what season one? Season two, will they won't Well, 0:21:17.749 --> 0:21:24.989 I'm less invested season two, Marissa. Guys, the guys, come on, 0:21:25.469 --> 0:21:28.229 we got up the stakes too many people are getting 0:21:28.269 --> 0:21:31.669 Seth is addicted to Pott. Yeah, okay, we can see that. Okay, Yeah. 0:21:32.109 --> 0:21:34.669 Adam Brodie said it became a bit of a game 0:21:34.989 --> 0:21:37.789 for him to figure out what the main storylines of 0:21:37.829 --> 0:21:43.149 the show were by only reading his scenes, which he 0:21:43.229 --> 0:21:48.509 was not proud of. That's actually hilarious. I turning up 0:21:48.589 --> 0:21:52.149 to set only create your then, like you'd be really 0:21:52.189 --> 0:21:55.549 in the moment. Yeah, you'd be like technically, like what's 0:21:55.549 --> 0:21:59.829 happening with It's a surprise to Brian. It's quite meta 0:21:59.909 --> 0:22:01.749 really because it's like, well, I don't know what's happening 0:22:01.789 --> 0:22:05.269 in scenes that I'm not present in. Yeah, exactly, that's 0:22:05.349 --> 0:22:09.469 the real Seth Cohen. I should only know what Seth knows. Yeah. Yeah, 0:22:09.509 --> 0:22:11.949 And if this Sphel's tone death and this is why 0:22:11.989 --> 0:22:15.669 he's had a long and fruitful career. Yeah maybe. Well 0:22:15.749 --> 0:22:18.309 he told people at the time that he would only 0:22:18.389 --> 0:22:21.669 read the pages he was shooting each day, Like that's 0:22:21.669 --> 0:22:24.589 all he would read, So he didn't I love it. Yeah. 0:22:24.869 --> 0:22:29.549 Adam Brody was famously dating Rachel Bilson at the time. 0:22:29.749 --> 0:22:33.229 M okay, I remember that. And you might say, did 0:22:33.269 --> 0:22:36.549 he date the same person twice? Rachel Bilson is the 0:22:36.589 --> 0:22:39.829 same person as Leyden Meister. Yes, yeah, they are the 0:22:39.869 --> 0:22:43.669 same in that they are brunette and dated Adam BROUDI anyway, 0:22:44.389 --> 0:22:47.549 apparently his behavior put her in an awkward position. 0:22:48.029 --> 0:22:52.109 Poem what palm, Hey wish I was a murder. 0:22:51.989 --> 0:22:56.109 You remember that, I was like sixth grade haven't we 0:22:56.149 --> 0:23:00.829 all been there? Yeah, when your bloody boyfriend is yeah, 0:23:01.709 --> 0:23:05.389 won't do his work, smoker too much? Wait on set 0:23:05.749 --> 0:23:08.949 and off set anyway, She said, you want to be 0:23:08.989 --> 0:23:11.629 supportive of the person you with. But also I'm a 0:23:11.629 --> 0:23:15.549 firm believer in always being grateful and gratitude comes first. 0:23:16.069 --> 0:23:19.389 I think there were probably times where that went by 0:23:19.429 --> 0:23:21.789 the wayside. You grow up, you look back and you 0:23:21.789 --> 0:23:24.749 can realize when you're young you might behave in certain 0:23:24.789 --> 0:23:28.629 ways you wish you hadn't. So clearly she was like, dude, 0:23:29.189 --> 0:23:32.629 read this scene. Can you read that s grouped outside 0:23:32.629 --> 0:23:36.349 your trailer instead of that strange book? Come on, it's 0:23:36.429 --> 0:23:41.789 disrespectful to everyone. Josh Schwartz now says he wishes that 0:23:41.909 --> 0:23:45.429 he had got everyone together and had a big like 0:23:45.549 --> 0:23:49.109 come to Jesus meeting where he was like, guys, let's 0:23:49.149 --> 0:23:52.069 talk about how the show has lost its way, all right? Yeah, 0:23:52.149 --> 0:23:55.789 and he reckons it would have helped the cast feel heard, 0:23:56.309 --> 0:23:59.029 and they also might have got some good ideas, yeah, 0:23:59.029 --> 0:24:01.869 because they were stuck on ideas. Yeah, they were clearly stuck. 0:24:01.869 --> 0:24:04.269 And I always wonder with this. We were saying, sometimes 0:24:04.309 --> 0:24:06.549 you don't know if you've got enough steam for other series. 0:24:06.629 --> 0:24:09.829 But you do wonder it's coc You'd think they had 0:24:09.829 --> 0:24:12.269 some of the best writers. I know. There were really 0:24:12.469 --> 0:24:16.869 arbitrary things, like they'd be told you need another adult, 0:24:17.549 --> 0:24:19.069 like they call them kids and adults. I don't know 0:24:19.109 --> 0:24:22.269 why you need another adult to have a prominent storyline 0:24:22.269 --> 0:24:24.989 in this season. So there was season two or three 0:24:25.109 --> 0:24:30.589 where I feel like Sandy hair about cheating on each other. Yeah, 0:24:30.749 --> 0:24:33.269 I was invested in Sandy and it's like no one 0:24:33.309 --> 0:24:36.509 cares about them. Mischa Button's face up close. Yeah, it's 0:24:36.549 --> 0:24:41.109 not that complicated. Nice music, Yeah, near's Eve Ryan arrived, 0:24:41.309 --> 0:24:44.429 b Roll b Roll of Orange County. Yeah, not that 0:24:44.469 --> 0:24:47.869 hard and some fun music. In other gossips, Mischa Barton 0:24:48.229 --> 0:24:51.549 and Rachel Bilson didn't really get along. In a two 0:24:51.589 --> 0:24:54.669 thousand and four interview with Elle, Button made a very 0:24:54.669 --> 0:24:59.469 odd comment about Bilson. She said she's way more overtly 0:24:59.549 --> 0:25:02.589 sexual than I am. She is so botite, and I'm 0:25:02.629 --> 0:25:05.509 so tall and lanky. I think I'd be scared of 0:25:05.589 --> 0:25:12.509 having her voluptuousness. I like being understatedly sex. Oh okay, 0:25:12.669 --> 0:25:15.829 so you're calling her a slut. But we've got we've 0:25:15.829 --> 0:25:18.589 got the Madonna Hall. Yeah, complex and what you've done 0:25:18.629 --> 0:25:20.149 if you've called Bilton a hall. 0:25:20.309 --> 0:25:20.509 Yeah. 0:25:20.549 --> 0:25:25.869 Yeah, She's like, I'm really thin, and therefore I'm sexy 0:25:25.909 --> 0:25:28.749 in a better way. What you'll notice is I am 0:25:28.869 --> 0:25:32.909 very thin, Rachel Bilson's a slut, and Scott a tits out, 0:25:32.909 --> 0:25:36.709 which I think is unseemly and undignified. I personally cover 0:25:36.789 --> 0:25:40.509 myself and you'll realize I'm sexy in a more demure way. 0:25:41.029 --> 0:25:43.669 Very demure, very mindful. 0:25:43.189 --> 0:25:46.229 Mischi of button. Then, in twenty twenty one, when asked 0:25:46.269 --> 0:25:48.869 what prompted her decision to leave the series at the 0:25:48.949 --> 0:25:51.909 end of season three, Barton gave an interview with E 0:25:52.229 --> 0:25:54.749 did it keep going after Barton left? Wow, there's a 0:25:54.749 --> 0:25:57.709 whole season? Okay, all right? That hinted that Bilson being 0:25:57.789 --> 0:26:01.789 cast as a series regular played a part. It had 0:26:01.829 --> 0:26:04.669 a lot to do with them adding Bilson in last 0:26:04.749 --> 0:26:08.349 minute as after the first season a series regular and 0:26:08.429 --> 0:26:12.589 evening out everybody's pay. So she's basically saying I was 0:26:12.629 --> 0:26:15.429 meant to be the lead. Yeah, and then they got Summer, 0:26:15.869 --> 0:26:17.869 like Summer had more of a role. I felt like 0:26:18.109 --> 0:26:20.469 Rachel Bilson did go to Brown for a bit. I 0:26:20.549 --> 0:26:23.749 was in season four, Yeah, but I think she like disappeared. Yeah, 0:26:23.789 --> 0:26:26.269 well I don't feel like I followed, okay, but there 0:26:26.349 --> 0:26:28.909 was a lot of following Seth Cohen around that house. 0:26:29.469 --> 0:26:33.269 Didn't he get on a boat? Who got on a boat? 0:26:32.989 --> 0:26:37.029 And that was the end of season one? That was 0:26:37.709 --> 0:26:40.589 early right, Okay, maybe we didn't follow them on the boat. No. 0:26:41.149 --> 0:26:46.349 Bilson responded on a podcast saying that's misinformation. Where is 0:26:46.389 --> 0:26:48.589 she going with this and what is she trying to say? 0:26:48.789 --> 0:26:50.669 I would actually like to talk to her and find 0:26:50.669 --> 0:26:53.669 out what her experience was from her perspective, because I 0:26:53.709 --> 0:26:57.749 saw things a little differently. So she's clearly like, why 0:26:57.789 --> 0:27:00.909 does mister button hate me? We'll have him here if 0:27:00.989 --> 0:27:04.189 they want to have a chat, I will get you 0:27:04.269 --> 0:27:07.349 off the mic. Yeah, say, ladies, sit down. This is 0:27:07.469 --> 0:27:10.549 not the format of this podcast, in fact, not even 0:27:10.589 --> 0:27:14.229 recording it. This is just for me. Players, just don't 0:27:14.229 --> 0:27:17.309 mind her. She's in the corner. Yeah, she's listening. I'm salivating. 0:27:17.429 --> 0:27:21.149 She's salivating. And what we're gonna ask is who here 0:27:21.429 --> 0:27:25.669 is the bitch bo that's fun on call? Her Daddy 0:27:25.989 --> 0:27:29.949 Barton said it's typical that in these sets not everybody 0:27:29.989 --> 0:27:32.069 is going to get along. There are going to be clashes. 0:27:32.269 --> 0:27:34.469 There's going to be people who create rumors and make 0:27:34.509 --> 0:27:36.669 stuff up. I think I was very sensitive to that 0:27:36.749 --> 0:27:39.469 because I was so young. It felt like high school 0:27:39.469 --> 0:27:43.229 but in the real world and very elevated and very magnified. 0:27:43.829 --> 0:27:45.909 I was looking at some stuff recently about pretty little liars, 0:27:45.949 --> 0:27:48.269 and they always say not everyone's gonna get along, and 0:27:48.349 --> 0:27:52.589 I'm like, so there was fucking gossips. Okay, what I 0:27:53.069 --> 0:27:55.589 hear is what I'm hearing. And when people say not 0:27:55.589 --> 0:27:59.229 everyone's going to get along, it's like, who are you bullying? Who? 0:27:59.629 --> 0:28:02.589 Who specifically bullying? I remember in year nine they do. 0:28:02.749 --> 0:28:07.749 I think people mostly get along in a workplace. If 0:28:07.749 --> 0:28:10.189 they don't, there are issues that should be addressed. But 0:28:10.229 --> 0:28:12.029 I remember in year nine they did like a religion 0:28:12.109 --> 0:28:13.909 Day or whatever, and they did a big thing on 0:28:13.989 --> 0:28:16.589 rumors are damaging? Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, that 0:28:16.749 --> 0:28:19.549 was very very vague, and I was a quick question, 0:28:20.469 --> 0:28:24.669 what rumors? May you share them? Just so that I 0:28:24.749 --> 0:28:27.029 don't understand that they're damaging? But I was thinking that 0:28:27.069 --> 0:28:29.269 maybe if all of us could share one rumor and 0:28:29.309 --> 0:28:31.349 we could kind of play with that and talk about 0:28:31.349 --> 0:28:34.349 how they're damaging. Because I heard that she's given a 0:28:34.349 --> 0:28:38.749 hand job. That's all I'm saying. It's very like actors 0:28:39.229 --> 0:28:43.029 to say that not everyone gets along. You can't imagine 0:28:43.069 --> 0:28:44.909 like a group of people in a writer's room and 0:28:44.949 --> 0:28:46.949 then someone coming out of the writer's room and saying, 0:28:47.069 --> 0:28:52.069 not everyone gets along, not everyone's gonna get home. I'm boring, 0:28:52.429 --> 0:28:55.589 You're boring. There's less ego, like go into a staff room, 0:28:56.029 --> 0:28:59.509 like there's eccentric. There's imagine a teacher, a teacher being like, 0:28:59.589 --> 0:29:04.189 not everyone gets long, Like you're busy doing your job. Yeah, 0:29:04.309 --> 0:29:07.909 everyone's too busy to be playing into this drama. But 0:29:08.029 --> 0:29:12.029 then Barton appeared on Bill's podcast, which is like a 0:29:12.109 --> 0:29:18.229 rewatch of the OC podcast. Yeah with Julie. Julie's has 0:29:18.269 --> 0:29:20.509 a lot to say. I guess Julie has she done much, 0:29:21.389 --> 0:29:25.669 she's done the podcast? Okay, I care anyway, Button appeared 0:29:25.709 --> 0:29:28.189 on that it's called Welcome to the OC, and so 0:29:28.229 --> 0:29:30.669 I reckon they've made up all right? Love that? Yeah, 0:29:30.669 --> 0:29:32.829 so they already they stole our ideas. No more, no 0:29:32.909 --> 0:29:35.549 more rumors, I guess, no more rumors. But we could 0:29:35.629 --> 0:29:46.949 find out what the rumors were at the time. Yeah, 0:29:47.549 --> 0:29:50.149 was Marissa the worst? I don't even know what to 0:29:50.189 --> 0:29:56.229 say we did find this. Wow, I'll see if you're right. 0:29:56.269 --> 0:29:58.149 On the first Wilm we could start smoking. We had 0:29:58.269 --> 0:30:03.509 luck cool kidding kind of wait. Stop, I'm sorry, but 0:30:03.589 --> 0:30:07.029 I can't do this. I have to go what You're 0:30:07.029 --> 0:30:12.189 already even gonna try and start me? You are so 0:30:12.789 --> 0:30:17.149 fight o'kay have money, Jesse online. There's a weird level 0:30:17.229 --> 0:30:21.269 of animosity towards Marissa Cooper. That's the same with Carrie Bradshaw. 0:30:21.309 --> 0:30:24.389 It's like, yeah, characters complicated at Fardy, that's why you 0:30:24.469 --> 0:30:28.789 watched it. Yes, it is one of those times where 0:30:28.829 --> 0:30:31.629 people have to remember it was just a TV show 0:30:31.709 --> 0:30:34.989 and Marissa wasn't real. She was just a character. This 0:30:35.189 --> 0:30:38.269 is from a Bustle article. You see Marissa Cooper, played 0:30:38.269 --> 0:30:40.989 by the monotone voiced Barton, is one of the worst 0:30:41.069 --> 0:30:45.669 TV characters to ever Grace the Medium. She's whiny and annoying, selfish, 0:30:45.669 --> 0:30:48.789 and narcissistic from the moment she first appears on screen, 0:30:49.229 --> 0:30:53.189 creepily oggling Ryan until he offers her a cigarette. Her 0:30:53.389 --> 0:30:55.869 entire purpose is to make things more difficult for the 0:30:55.949 --> 0:30:59.509 teens of Newport than they need to be. She starts fights, 0:30:59.749 --> 0:31:03.269 breaks up relationships, forces her friends to literally save her 0:31:03.349 --> 0:31:07.589 life several times, doing absolutely nothing in return, except in 0:31:07.669 --> 0:31:12.549 capital letters, ruin their lives. The author rites got carried 0:31:12.589 --> 0:31:19.349 away constant near death experiences. It's gold plot, she writes, 0:31:19.709 --> 0:31:23.909 almost dying in Tijuana, almost dying with Oliver, almost dying 0:31:23.989 --> 0:31:27.789 with Trey. All right, that one wasn't her fault. Okay, 0:31:28.029 --> 0:31:30.909 what we need you to do? Almost to stop watching me? 0:31:30.989 --> 0:31:33.429 Oh yeah, okay, put it down. Put it down. Fine, 0:31:33.749 --> 0:31:35.669 that's actually it's not even being made anymore. So you 0:31:35.829 --> 0:31:38.149 just got to move on. Marissa couldn't go a couple 0:31:38.229 --> 0:31:41.389 of months without nearly getting killed, and every time she 0:31:41.469 --> 0:31:43.869 came close to biting it, her friends had to be 0:31:43.949 --> 0:31:47.589 the ones who saved alive. And when she actually died 0:31:47.749 --> 0:31:52.389 in the third season spoiler, it was because bull Chuck, 0:31:52.869 --> 0:31:55.269 the creepy guy she's been hanging out with, rammed into 0:31:55.349 --> 0:31:58.669 Ryan's cart and ruined his life too. Even in death, 0:31:58.789 --> 0:32:02.869 Marissa couldn't help but make things difficult for everyone around her. Okay, 0:32:03.029 --> 0:32:05.629 you need to see a therapist, because you don't get 0:32:05.709 --> 0:32:08.749 to be mad at someone when they've died. That way, 0:32:08.829 --> 0:32:13.429 she's like dying freaking annoying and selfish, And there are 0:32:13.509 --> 0:32:15.869 so many shows where like the main character is a 0:32:15.909 --> 0:32:18.509 serial killer, and I would argue that they yus. For example, 0:32:20.469 --> 0:32:23.989 she also talks about when Marissa made Ryan's life terrible 0:32:24.709 --> 0:32:27.669 after moving to Newport. The only thing Ryan needed in 0:32:27.789 --> 0:32:36.149 his life was stability and real baby Cooper, the crazy, 0:32:36.509 --> 0:32:41.429 unlikable and totally unappreciative girl next door. Over the course 0:32:41.949 --> 0:32:46.429 there again, off again relationship, Marissa did everything in her 0:32:46.549 --> 0:32:50.189 power to make Ryan's life mising. No, you need to 0:32:50.269 --> 0:32:53.669 speak to the site. Okay. When she died, she sent 0:32:53.789 --> 0:32:56.909 him on a downward spiral that ended with cage fighting. 0:32:57.429 --> 0:33:04.629 What dear Ryan of the OC pilot shut ah, see 0:33:04.669 --> 0:33:07.909 that girl standing there weirdly staring at you. Don't talk 0:33:07.989 --> 0:33:10.509 to her. In fact, get as far away from marrors 0:33:10.549 --> 0:33:18.229 you can trust me? Could Okay? You need to chill. 0:33:18.709 --> 0:33:24.549 You need to chill Marissa as she was needed. The 0:33:24.709 --> 0:33:28.789 chaos is necessary to the story to move Ryan also 0:33:28.869 --> 0:33:34.509 a character. Ryan didn't need stability all right, Ryan needed plot. 0:33:35.909 --> 0:33:39.269 Ryan needed plot in order to sustain the series. 0:33:39.349 --> 0:33:44.269 Okay, and Ryan doesn't need your protection because Ryan isn't real. 0:33:45.389 --> 0:33:50.189 Okay. The most bizarre storylines Marissa and Alex don't let 0:33:50.229 --> 0:33:52.549 her talk me to stay the name, you can't, you 0:33:52.669 --> 0:33:54.829 have to take me home. In season two, we have 0:33:54.909 --> 0:33:58.989 the same sex relationship which Perpetua, which was fun. Precisely 0:33:59.229 --> 0:34:04.789 every stereotype damage about biosexuality. Alex is played by Livia Wilde, 0:34:04.869 --> 0:34:08.069 and she dates both Seth Cohen and Marissa Cooper love 0:34:08.189 --> 0:34:12.469 because by sexual people date everyone in discretion, duplicitous. Yes, 0:34:12.669 --> 0:34:15.469 you can't trust him exactly. That was very much the 0:34:15.909 --> 0:34:18.309 line that they were trying to push in sort of 0:34:18.429 --> 0:34:22.069 the early two thousands was bisexual people. They were like, 0:34:22.509 --> 0:34:25.549 because that bisexuality, it exists. We're not saying it doesn't exist. 0:34:25.709 --> 0:34:28.429 We're saying saying, make up your mind, is what we're saying, 0:34:28.509 --> 0:34:30.789 because otherwise they'll take the boys and the girls. 0:34:30.789 --> 0:34:31.149 And then what. 0:34:33.789 --> 0:34:37.149 They were saying, it's manipulative. It's manipulative, and yet you 0:34:37.269 --> 0:34:40.509 can't trust him, and that's just not true. Alex was 0:34:40.549 --> 0:34:43.789 a bad girl, and bisexuality obviously goes hand in hand 0:34:43.909 --> 0:34:47.229 with being a bad rebelliousness. Yes, but there was a 0:34:47.389 --> 0:34:52.349 lot of trivialization around same sex relationships. Kirsten literally says, 0:34:52.669 --> 0:34:55.709 I'm sure it's just a phase about Marissa being with 0:34:55.789 --> 0:34:58.869 Alex and when Seth finds out that Alex stated a 0:34:58.909 --> 0:35:02.109 woman before him. He says she needs to be reminded 0:35:02.309 --> 0:35:06.829 that testosterone was missing in her last relationship. Cool. I 0:35:06.949 --> 0:35:08.829 think it is reflective of the world in which this 0:35:08.909 --> 0:35:11.269 show was created, which was that those sorts of awful 0:35:11.309 --> 0:35:15.509 things were being said behind closed doors within families all 0:35:15.549 --> 0:35:20.749 the time. Yeah, Summer versus Anna. In season one, Seth 0:35:20.829 --> 0:35:23.949 goes from having no friends to having two girls pining 0:35:23.989 --> 0:35:27.469 after him, one who he likes for her personality, Anna, 0:35:27.829 --> 0:35:31.189 and the other he likes because she's hot Summer. Who 0:35:31.229 --> 0:35:34.509 does he choose the whole one Summer? Yeah? Cool, even 0:35:34.549 --> 0:35:37.509 though she's there's a moral in that. I remember thinking 0:35:37.669 --> 0:35:41.749 there was some strange morals. I didn't like it. I 0:35:41.789 --> 0:35:43.869 thought it would be nice if he chose Anna, but 0:35:43.949 --> 0:35:46.229 we all knew it was never going to Yeah. I 0:35:46.309 --> 0:35:48.069 think that they dangled the two in front of him 0:35:48.069 --> 0:35:50.069 to try and keep him interested because he wasn't reading 0:35:50.069 --> 0:35:52.029 the scripts, so they were like, pretty thing, No, he 0:35:52.309 --> 0:35:54.989 was pretty sick. Season one, Oh okay, and they're like, 0:35:55.149 --> 0:35:57.989 every man must make a choice between a blonde and 0:35:58.069 --> 0:36:01.589 a brunette. Not usually true, and if you have brown hair, 0:36:02.109 --> 0:36:04.789 you will choose the brunette. If you are blonde, like 0:36:04.989 --> 0:36:07.869 forty five year old right over here, you will choose 0:36:08.029 --> 0:36:10.109 blonde blonde. The blonde is with the blonde. We don't 0:36:10.429 --> 0:36:15.069 cross pollinate. Y yuck yu. And you also must choose 0:36:15.629 --> 0:36:20.589 between hot, rebellious, kind of off the rails and like 0:36:20.869 --> 0:36:26.149 mean and like mean and nice and nice is boring? 0:36:26.349 --> 0:36:31.949 Yeah dark. For plot, Ryan punching people Jesse. Ryan often 0:36:31.989 --> 0:36:34.069 beats someone up in the third act of the episode, 0:36:34.149 --> 0:36:37.709 and it's a conflict, it's a complication, I understand. Yeah. Narratively, 0:36:37.829 --> 0:36:40.029 the tension had to rise and then he'd often throw 0:36:40.069 --> 0:36:42.669 a punch, just as Seth gave a quirky one liner. 0:36:43.109 --> 0:36:46.189 But it went to a whole new level after Marissa died, 0:36:46.669 --> 0:36:51.229 which we'll get to where Ryan decided to take up 0:36:51.349 --> 0:36:54.669 a cage fighting career. There's a scene what is cage fighting? Oh, 0:36:54.709 --> 0:36:56.229 you're in a cage and you're fighting. Yeah, it's like 0:36:56.349 --> 0:36:59.429 professional fighting. But it's like he has tried to, like, 0:36:59.669 --> 0:37:02.789 you know, take the bad boy out of himself. But 0:37:02.869 --> 0:37:05.469 he's like, I guess I'll just get beaten up, and 0:37:05.549 --> 0:37:08.149 so he does this cage fight where he just gets 0:37:08.349 --> 0:37:11.789 beaten up and lets himself be beaten up. I guess 0:37:12.069 --> 0:37:15.469 because he's grieving. Okay, but then men are weird, but 0:37:15.949 --> 0:37:18.709 men are weird. But then he turns around and wins, 0:37:19.789 --> 0:37:23.069 but doesn't collect his winnings, and it's like too many 0:37:23.109 --> 0:37:26.269 plot points. This is a weird trajectory for Ryan. Yeah, 0:37:26.829 --> 0:37:29.749 the man needs to get out of the cave, get 0:37:29.789 --> 0:37:31.989 a job. He's actually quite clever in the show. I 0:37:32.069 --> 0:37:34.749 forgot that he's quite good at school. He should focus 0:37:34.829 --> 0:37:37.029 on that. Put your head down, yep, yep. Needs to 0:37:37.149 --> 0:37:40.989 go to college. Yeah, stop throwing punches, yep. Marissa's death. 0:37:41.949 --> 0:37:44.749 Unless you are Game of Thrones, you simply cannot kill 0:37:44.789 --> 0:37:47.389 off a main character and expect the show to thrive 0:37:48.069 --> 0:37:52.989 in season I think they expected. In season three, things 0:37:53.029 --> 0:37:55.749 are finally looking better for her. They've all graduated. She's 0:37:55.749 --> 0:37:57.509 about to go to Greece to work on a boat, 0:37:57.829 --> 0:38:00.549 and Ryan is driving her to the airport. Then she's 0:38:00.669 --> 0:38:03.549 killed in a car accident caused by vulture. 0:38:08.629 --> 0:38:27.429 Of first, Ryan carries her out of the burning car 0:38:27.869 --> 0:38:31.109 while Halloween play Jesse, did you rewatch this? 0:38:31.469 --> 0:38:37.589 Yeah? I will always find that profoundly moving. It's the flashback, 0:38:38.149 --> 0:38:40.789 so she's dying. She still looks so pretty lucky. She 0:38:40.869 --> 0:38:47.309 has a tiny bit of body some would say pretty 0:38:47.349 --> 0:38:49.869 ear because she's just so still and beautiful and you 0:38:49.909 --> 0:38:52.109 can scare at her and she's not moving. Yeah, and 0:38:52.909 --> 0:38:56.829 then there's a flashback to like Ryan driving away from 0:38:58.469 --> 0:39:01.069 and she's standing on the street, and it's just it 0:39:01.189 --> 0:39:04.189 honestly makes me feel quite sick with emotion. I think 0:39:04.269 --> 0:39:06.869 they did something there. They did, Yeah, but I will 0:39:06.869 --> 0:39:09.629 say it is bizarre for her to die and then 0:39:10.149 --> 0:39:11.869 expect the story. Didn't she just want to get off 0:39:11.909 --> 0:39:14.109 the show? Yeah? But then the story they should have 0:39:14.229 --> 0:39:15.829 ended the series. Well, they should have ended the series 0:39:15.869 --> 0:39:20.509 after season one. Yeah, and this is why the series 0:39:20.629 --> 0:39:23.949 needed to end when Marissa died. Okay, because then in 0:39:24.069 --> 0:39:28.509 season four we had an alternate universe plot. What, No, 0:39:28.629 --> 0:39:30.909 we didn't, No, we didn't. So Ryan is in a 0:39:30.949 --> 0:39:33.669 relationship joking about a cage fighting. No, well, I mean 0:39:33.709 --> 0:39:36.549 the cage fighting isn't in the alternate universe. But where's 0:39:36.589 --> 0:39:39.509 that that just happens in season four? Okay? Anyway, Ryan 0:39:39.629 --> 0:39:42.589 is in a relationship with Taylor. Who's Taylor, you'd know 0:39:42.669 --> 0:39:45.589 her face. She goes to the school, okay, but they 0:39:45.709 --> 0:39:48.069 both fall off a ladder. How long are they at school, 0:39:48.309 --> 0:39:50.789 like I feel like they were nearly done in season one. 0:39:51.069 --> 0:39:53.629 In season four, like they knew each other from school Oka, 0:39:53.909 --> 0:39:56.709 but like some of the others are at college. They 0:39:56.789 --> 0:40:01.309 both fall off a ladder and into together. Yeah, they're 0:40:01.349 --> 0:40:05.109 both on the ladder. Well, yeah, and they're going to 0:40:05.189 --> 0:40:08.669 fall off in a coma, And in that coma they 0:40:08.909 --> 0:40:13.789 enter at an alternate u universe where Ryan never moved 0:40:13.909 --> 0:40:18.189 to Newport Beach for some reason. As I said, both 0:40:18.309 --> 0:40:21.389 Ryan and Taylor are in the alternate universe together. Yeah, 0:40:21.749 --> 0:40:24.069 that's what happens. Actually, I've heard with comas is that 0:40:24.549 --> 0:40:26.229 if you have a comera in someone you know at 0:40:26.229 --> 0:40:29.589 the coma, then it's like ash joined. It's like if 0:40:29.629 --> 0:40:32.189 you're playing like a video game on Xbox and then 0:40:32.229 --> 0:40:35.109 someone else lugs in, kind of like that. Taylor goes 0:40:35.189 --> 0:40:38.949 to Marissa's bedroom in the alternate universe and the maid 0:40:39.149 --> 0:40:42.589 says Miss Cooper's plane arrives at three o'clock from Berkeley, 0:40:42.909 --> 0:40:46.269 which is where Marissa wanted to go. So Taylor believes 0:40:46.349 --> 0:40:49.669 Marissa is still alive in this alternate universe, and she 0:40:49.869 --> 0:40:51.549 tells Ryan, but she doesn't want him to go to 0:40:51.629 --> 0:40:54.469 the airport because she's worried that he'll be like, oh 0:40:54.509 --> 0:40:56.309 my god, Marissa's here, and then he won't ever want 0:40:56.309 --> 0:41:00.709 to leave the alternate universe. At the air I'm moved. 0:41:00.869 --> 0:41:04.029 I have a little bit more. At the airport, Ryan 0:41:04.309 --> 0:41:06.989 grabs the shoulder of a girl he thinks is Marissa, 0:41:07.189 --> 0:41:09.989 but Marissa said she wouldn't do season four. It's actually 0:41:10.229 --> 0:41:14.869 Marissa's younger sister, Caitlin, otherwise known as Shalene, would lee. 0:41:15.229 --> 0:41:20.189 Only at the beginning, she explains that her sister died 0:41:20.269 --> 0:41:23.909 three years ago of an overdose in Tijuana, So basically 0:41:23.989 --> 0:41:27.829 it's like she would have died. I gotsmumps. She would 0:41:27.829 --> 0:41:32.029 have died in Tijuana, Yeah, which was like before a 0:41:32.149 --> 0:41:34.829 lot of stuff happened. Oh, because I think Ryan rescued 0:41:34.829 --> 0:41:38.709 it from Tijuana. Anyway, everyone else's lives are different. But 0:41:39.309 --> 0:41:44.229 I guess what you learn is that you really need 0:41:44.349 --> 0:41:46.949 to make up alternate universes when you kill off. When 0:41:46.989 --> 0:41:49.429 you run out. Does he come out of the clima, Yeah, 0:41:49.509 --> 0:41:52.989 together with Taylor. Yeah, and he's like ever talk about it. Yeah, 0:41:53.269 --> 0:41:55.949 but it's like, I guess he's at peace knowing she 0:41:56.069 --> 0:41:59.629 would have died anyway. Cool. I don't know. There's a 0:41:59.709 --> 0:42:01.429 lot of stuff that like doesn't happen. Like there's some 0:42:01.589 --> 0:42:03.989 sad stuff. There's a guy Johnny who falls off a cliff. 0:42:04.189 --> 0:42:08.269 He doesn't fall off the cliff if Ryan doesn't come. Okay, Yeah, anyway, 0:42:08.829 --> 0:42:12.789 when Marissa shot tries this is such a complicated storyline. 0:42:12.869 --> 0:42:15.589 Whoo's Tray again? Who played him? He's Ryan's brother, you 0:42:15.709 --> 0:42:18.549 know his face? Okay, But he gets out of jail 0:42:18.709 --> 0:42:20.829 and he comes to the OC and he ends up 0:42:20.949 --> 0:42:24.909 sexually assaulting Marissa. When Ryan finds out, he goes to 0:42:25.029 --> 0:42:28.989 Trey's place to confront him and they're fighting. Trey is 0:42:29.069 --> 0:42:32.589 about to he like grabs like a landline phone which 0:42:33.309 --> 0:42:37.789 damn bad a brick and goes to hit him, but 0:42:37.989 --> 0:42:42.549 Marissa grabs the gun and shoots him, and Jesse, can 0:42:42.629 --> 0:42:45.909 you read this T shirt? I still think about when 0:42:45.989 --> 0:42:49.189 Marissa shot Trey to save Ryan while Imagen heaps. Hide 0:42:49.189 --> 0:42:54.509 and Seek played on the OC season two finale, Please 0:42:54.629 --> 0:43:06.229 starve it. That's where it's like what you say, and 0:43:06.629 --> 0:43:09.349 it's all of a sudden slow motion and Tray's the 0:43:09.469 --> 0:43:12.149 bullet go from his back to his front and the 0:43:12.229 --> 0:43:16.549 blood starts pouring out and you're like, as killed Tray yeah, 0:43:16.669 --> 0:43:19.549 but it does say in small text, I downloaded an 0:43:19.629 --> 0:43:21.509 MP three of the song the next day. Yeah, I 0:43:21.549 --> 0:43:23.589 think we downloaded from Lime Wire. 0:43:23.749 --> 0:43:23.909 Yes. 0:43:24.309 --> 0:43:27.429 So that was the season two finale. Beginning of season three, 0:43:27.749 --> 0:43:31.469 Tray's alive. He survived. He was in a goma obviously, 0:43:32.149 --> 0:43:36.309 and Marissa is now like facing legal consequences, you know 0:43:36.349 --> 0:43:38.589 what I mean, Like Trey just needed to die. Yeah, 0:43:38.629 --> 0:43:41.349 he did need to die. But I guess contractually he 0:43:41.469 --> 0:43:53.229 was meant to be another season. Yeah, I guess so, Jesse, 0:43:53.669 --> 0:44:00.829 it's time for charges and sentences. My charge, my biggest 0:44:00.869 --> 0:44:05.389 charge in all of this, is that these young stars 0:44:06.669 --> 0:44:09.749 they thought, well when I say they are mostly mean, 0:44:09.789 --> 0:44:12.629 Adam Brody, yeah, and the little bit Ben mackenzie. Yeah, 0:44:13.349 --> 0:44:16.029 thought they could do better than the writers. And what 0:44:16.309 --> 0:44:22.069 they weren't experiencing was say, pressure from the network, feed 0:44:22.269 --> 0:44:25.349 back from producers, all sorts of things about what you 0:44:25.469 --> 0:44:28.389 had to do, what you couldn't do, who needed more time? 0:44:29.469 --> 0:44:34.029 And I just think the arrogance of being yes, forty 0:44:34.109 --> 0:44:37.509 seven years old, No, no, he wasn't. Ben McKenzie was 0:44:37.509 --> 0:44:40.429 not forty seven. Yeah he was by the end, he was, Yeah, 0:44:40.989 --> 0:44:45.389 he wasn't thirty yet. But the arrogance of thinking, like 0:44:45.709 --> 0:44:49.709 looking down on the writers and not reading the scripts. Honestly, 0:44:49.949 --> 0:44:51.869 you have a go at and Brady and you're high, 0:44:52.549 --> 0:44:59.189 yeah on screen, but looks like you also are in 0:44:59.309 --> 0:45:04.069 your trailer my sentence. A reboot. You know we're rebooting everything, 0:45:04.109 --> 0:45:07.669 aren't we? Yeah? Remember they bloody rebooted the four House. 0:45:07.869 --> 0:45:09.869 They rebooted everything for a minute. None of them work 0:45:09.909 --> 0:45:11.429 and they never did it again. But go on. And 0:45:11.469 --> 0:45:13.989 I really hate the term reboot me too. I don't 0:45:14.149 --> 0:45:16.309 like it. No, it doesn't work anyway. Yeah, So a 0:45:16.389 --> 0:45:23.349 reboot written exclusively by Adam Brady? Has he written since? 0:45:23.509 --> 0:45:25.989 I don't think so, but I want him it would 0:45:25.989 --> 0:45:30.629 be very quippi. I think he's in his twe forties now, Yeah, 0:45:31.109 --> 0:45:34.349 and I want him to sit down. And he's had 0:45:34.389 --> 0:45:37.189 a lot of experience. He was in Jennifer's Body and 0:45:38.149 --> 0:45:40.309 it's the one with Megan Fox. Never heard of it. 0:45:40.389 --> 0:45:42.149 It's actually really good. I've seen a lot of clips 0:45:42.189 --> 0:45:45.069 of it on TikTok. He was in Mister and Missus Smith, 0:45:45.149 --> 0:45:47.309 he was in Promising Young Woman. He's had the most 0:45:47.309 --> 0:45:50.149 successful career of any of them. Yeah, what's Sandy been in? 0:45:50.629 --> 0:45:50.789 Oh? 0:45:51.589 --> 0:45:55.069 I haven't seen him. Yeah, originally she's just on podcasts, 0:45:55.309 --> 0:45:58.069 she is. Anyway, you want Adam to write a series, 0:45:58.869 --> 0:46:03.309 it would be successful to write a season and just reboot. 0:46:03.389 --> 0:46:06.109 I want to know where are we all? Now? Where 0:46:06.149 --> 0:46:08.949 are we? Because none of us are together? Ross is dead? 0:46:10.469 --> 0:46:12.869 Do you reckon? She comes back? Okay, this is what 0:46:12.949 --> 0:46:16.869 he should do, a reboot. But what you do is 0:46:16.909 --> 0:46:21.029 you were raise No, no, no, you were raise seasons two, three, 0:46:21.109 --> 0:46:26.029 and four. Because this is a reboot, pregending that we 0:46:26.349 --> 0:46:28.069 just have season one, which I think was like twenty 0:46:28.109 --> 0:46:30.269 seven to twenty eight episodes. It's actually not about idea 0:46:30.389 --> 0:46:36.549 season one yep, time jump twenty years and now where 0:46:36.589 --> 0:46:39.829 are they? Marissa's still alive accident is sitting Ryan and 0:46:39.949 --> 0:46:42.069 his care facility? Aren't we? 0:46:42.589 --> 0:46:42.909 We are? 0:46:43.389 --> 0:46:44.229 We are all right? 0:46:44.469 --> 0:46:45.029 My charge. 0:46:45.549 --> 0:46:51.109 I remember watching this and feeling so ugly. Oh gosh. 0:46:51.549 --> 0:46:54.669 I remember studying mis she Button's face, the simplicity of it, 0:46:54.789 --> 0:46:58.469 and being like, why is my face so complicated? It 0:46:58.629 --> 0:47:01.949 has remembered many parts yeah face yeah, yeah, like there's 0:47:02.029 --> 0:47:04.069 so much wrong with it. And I remember looking at 0:47:04.149 --> 0:47:07.469 Marissa and there was one episode where she wore a 0:47:07.509 --> 0:47:10.989 boob stoop. She look great and strapless, great bone shoulders 0:47:11.549 --> 0:47:15.349 and pearls. And I found myself going to a beach party. 0:47:15.469 --> 0:47:17.629 Oh no, And I did wear pearls to the beach 0:47:17.749 --> 0:47:19.709 and I think back to that, and I think, no, no, 0:47:20.509 --> 0:47:23.669 pearls should never be in a situation where they get sandy. 0:47:24.109 --> 0:47:26.029 They were pearls, but you know when they were like 0:47:26.229 --> 0:47:30.109 colored beads. Oh no, colored beads with a. 0:47:30.429 --> 0:47:34.189 Lovely burnt orange boob tube. And I was like, I 0:47:34.789 --> 0:47:40.029 am Mischa Barton, don't get me mixed up. No one, 0:47:40.509 --> 0:47:43.829 No one did. She would have said, she would have said, 0:47:44.389 --> 0:47:49.589 you're too voluptuous, and she's more understated sex. Unfortunately, you 0:47:49.709 --> 0:47:54.749 are right. My sentence is that it was just never 0:47:54.869 --> 0:47:59.069 made with the right people because seventeen year olds are disgusting. 0:47:59.629 --> 0:48:04.069 Hear me out. Seventeen year olds are greasy. They all 0:48:04.309 --> 0:48:06.789 have hormonal acne. Because I don't know what's going on yet, 0:48:07.709 --> 0:48:12.989 you've probably not got your braces off making bad fashion decisions. Yep, 0:48:13.349 --> 0:48:16.749 you're experimenting with fake tan. Yeah. And here's the other thing. 0:48:16.909 --> 0:48:19.429 I've been spending a lot of time at my local library, 0:48:19.749 --> 0:48:22.269 and that is where HS students hang out. Yeah, and 0:48:22.389 --> 0:48:26.949 there is no one, no offense anything more insufferable, and 0:48:27.229 --> 0:48:31.029 so it needs to be like these teenagers that oscillate 0:48:31.149 --> 0:48:33.469 from like Oh, we're so cool, let's go to a party, 0:48:33.869 --> 0:48:36.869 and then being I think that the maths teachers really 0:48:37.269 --> 0:48:41.669 didn't mark that fair. We need more of a built 0:48:42.189 --> 0:48:45.109 need more. I saw a thing this is totally unrelated. 0:48:45.149 --> 0:48:46.909 I saw a thing at the library, a little poster. 0:48:46.989 --> 0:48:48.429 I nearly took a photo for you because I thought 0:48:48.509 --> 0:48:51.149 it would upset you that said we're having a night 0:48:51.269 --> 0:48:53.949 for everyone doing the HC. Come, We're going to talk 0:48:53.949 --> 0:48:56.109 about study skills. And I was like, study skills, great, 0:48:56.309 --> 0:48:58.509 and then it said what food to pack? And I 0:48:58.629 --> 0:49:00.909 was like, I hate you, I hate you. Why do 0:49:01.029 --> 0:49:06.349 you need a session on snacking? That's what a plot 0:49:06.469 --> 0:49:08.629 thing should be. They all go to a night where 0:49:08.709 --> 0:49:11.269 someone says, you know, make sure that you have some fruit. 0:49:11.749 --> 0:49:14.589 So wait, that was on the study skills. Having said 0:49:14.629 --> 0:49:17.629 that was on the agenda of the night where they 0:49:17.709 --> 0:49:20.869 tell you what to do. It was like nutrition and snap, 0:49:20.909 --> 0:49:24.429 okay for your exams. Seventeen year olds take themselves far 0:49:24.549 --> 0:49:28.109 too seriously. Yeah, for people whom you want to shake 0:49:28.269 --> 0:49:31.509 and say doesn't mean anything. No, you can't you can't. 0:49:31.589 --> 0:49:34.069 You can't and you've not shot Trey, so you don't 0:49:34.109 --> 0:49:36.589 have real issues. No, you know what I mean, Like 0:49:36.629 --> 0:49:38.829 at least they had. Marissa died in a car crash, 0:49:39.069 --> 0:49:45.229 hectic issues just after she graduated, Seth adicted to wedicted. 0:49:45.869 --> 0:49:49.869 You have little small scale issueses. Before we go, I 0:49:50.189 --> 0:49:53.789 want to read you a laser girls story which you 0:49:53.869 --> 0:49:58.109 know who would relate to lazy girl stories, Adam, lazy 0:49:58.149 --> 0:50:00.589 girl story from Jamie. When I was a teenager, my 0:50:00.669 --> 0:50:02.709 boyfriend and I would often use a lamb line to 0:50:02.749 --> 0:50:05.429 call my sister in the next remover on her Nokia 0:50:05.549 --> 0:50:08.749 three sixty and ask her to make his pancakes. We'd 0:50:08.789 --> 0:50:11.189 bribe her and tell her we'd get give her pocket money. 0:50:12.149 --> 0:50:14.309 Little did she know that while she was baking her 0:50:14.389 --> 0:50:16.429 little heart out for us, I'd sneak into a room 0:50:16.549 --> 0:50:18.949 and steal her own money and give it back to 0:50:19.029 --> 0:50:23.549 her as payment. Lazy girls don't carry cash. I love it. 0:50:24.349 --> 0:50:27.229 Lazy girls don't carry cash needs to be on a team, 0:50:27.309 --> 0:50:30.509 it does, it does. If we have cash, we stole 0:50:30.589 --> 0:50:36.589 it from mum'sdraw. Okay, there's also something in there about 0:50:37.669 --> 0:50:44.989 I think pancakes. We're an oddly prominent feature of Lazy 0:50:45.109 --> 0:50:48.589 Girl's adolescents. Yes, particularly the one where you just started water. 0:50:48.709 --> 0:50:49.909 You just do a bit of a shake and you 0:50:50.029 --> 0:50:50.509 for them out. 0:50:50.589 --> 0:50:50.749 Yeah. 0:50:51.029 --> 0:50:54.669 Yeah, gotta wait till it bubbles. We should make pancakes, 0:50:54.669 --> 0:50:57.829 those girl pancakes. It's just a recipe. Yeah, I love it. 0:50:58.069 --> 0:51:00.149 I did make pancakes from Utilda the other day and 0:51:00.229 --> 0:51:03.229 I thought, oh, it takes me back, takes me back 0:51:03.269 --> 0:51:06.949 to being a teenage lazy girl. That would be our os. 0:51:07.549 --> 0:51:10.429 It's just making pancakes at six pm on a cheese today. 0:51:11.349 --> 0:51:13.429 Thank you so much for joining us on this episode 0:51:13.469 --> 0:51:16.629 of Canceled. Before you go, we thought we should let 0:51:16.709 --> 0:51:20.309 you know that we make another podcast together. When we're 0:51:20.349 --> 0:51:24.309 not canceling celebrities. We're trying to cancel parenting. If you 0:51:24.509 --> 0:51:26.749 two want to laugh at the weird shit your baby 0:51:26.789 --> 0:51:30.109 has done, or maybe more realistically, the weird shit you 0:51:30.269 --> 0:51:33.029 have done as a parent, then might we suggest you 0:51:33.189 --> 0:51:36.269 check out the Baby Bubble. One of our guests this 0:51:36.429 --> 0:51:40.589 season who had me in absolute stitches was comedian Sammy 0:51:40.749 --> 0:51:43.949 Shah and he who I still think about his stories. 0:51:43.989 --> 0:51:46.389 He was so he was so funny. He has done 0:51:46.429 --> 0:51:49.949 some questionable things to feel vindicated as a parent. He 0:51:49.989 --> 0:51:51.949 has a very funny story about being on a plane 0:51:51.949 --> 0:51:53.669 and looking at a twenty one year old and being like, 0:51:53.789 --> 0:51:57.189 you're not bloody tired, mae. We'll put a link to 0:51:57.269 --> 0:51:59.989 the baby bubble in our show notes. 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