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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom and Maya

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Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to cancel. The

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Speaker 1: podcast looks at seely celebrity crimes and as science charges

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Speaker 1: and sentences to them so we can all move on

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Speaker 1: with our lives. I'm Klas Stephens and I'm Jesse Stephens.

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Speaker 1: And Jesse today we're talking about the OC. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the OC, bitch, Who are you?

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Speaker 2: Whoever you want me to be?

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Speaker 1: She Ill Ryan's gonna stream with us. Now do you

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Speaker 1: what from your current are you? This is one of

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Speaker 1: those episodes where you go, oh, this was twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Does it feel urgent? And the answer is yes, it does.

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Speaker 1: I feel urgent because I don't know if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: say this, but because of what I might describe as

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Speaker 1: the resurgence of one Seth Cohen. And I don't mean

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Speaker 1: Adam Brody, I mean Seth Cohen, because Seth Cohen is

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Speaker 1: Seth Cohen again in a Netflix series called Nobody Wants

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Speaker 1: This something like that. Yeah. Yeah, So I will tell

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Speaker 1: you before you begin. I will tell you my vibe

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Speaker 1: because you've watched some I haven't watched any You never

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Speaker 1: watched the OC. No, the OC obviously, this new show. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about the new show. I

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Speaker 1: want to about the OC quickly. You've seen a few episodes.

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Speaker 1: If nobody wants this, no, Claire, I watched fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: and vibe. I didn't love it. I didn't, and I'm

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Speaker 1: alone in that. I don't know. I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: everyone else likes it, but I just wasn't. In a

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Speaker 1: food or something, I'm gonna love it. I quite like

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Speaker 1: the Jewish storyline because she's a shitska, which is what

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Speaker 1: I am, which is when you are a woman who

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Speaker 1: is not Jewish with a man who is Jewish. I

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Speaker 1: for me. Now my vibes's on the OCA, okay, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: forty nine year old Mischa Barton did seem twenty. I

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Speaker 1: remember being very young and seeing Mischa Barton's face and body.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing her described as a coat hanger, that

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Speaker 1: if I'm a coat Marrian, not a coat hanger. You're

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Speaker 1: more of a brick. Yeah, yeah, just because you're short

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Speaker 1: and you know, things go out and yeah, there's like shape,

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Speaker 1: I can't wear anything. My other recollections are Sandy Cohen's

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Speaker 1: eyebrows for play. Oh hereah, you know.

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Speaker 2: Massaging you No, no nibbling the that. Look, here's a point.

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Speaker 2: Just because you're ready to go, it doesn't mean she is.

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Speaker 3: Oh you my son.

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Speaker 2: We Cohens are very sexual beings. Viral get you just disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Seth kind of a lovely home and it was nice

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Speaker 1: to hear housed Ryan and Rachel Bilson. Okay, some I

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Speaker 1: wanted to go to Brown. I think that's all I've got. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Brown is a university. Yes, and she did go, did she?

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Speaker 1: And then she got Actually I didn't include this. She

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Speaker 1: actually got expelled. Can you get expelled from university? Kicked

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Speaker 1: friend Chris Pratt, who was her college friend? Yes, now, yes,

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Speaker 1: we should probably add that when you're at university, you

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Speaker 1: had a labrat named Cruder. Yeah, crudis critis. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: had a labrat, and you teach Crudis some things things, yep,

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Speaker 1: Crudis was, as my lecturer said, say she ated. Ah,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't motivated. Okay, anyway, nobody wants this got me

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Speaker 1: thinking about the OC. Yeah. It aired from two thousand

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Speaker 3: A long time girl.

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Speaker 2: We used to with friendsperd about.

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Speaker 3: Make a deal with God someday, Oh, dawning. I didn't

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Speaker 1: Literally by the end of the OC, the creators slash

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Speaker 2: Oh. Also, that wasn't exactly the way that I first

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Speaker 2: Do you that's I thought. Let's see, that's what I

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Speaker 1: The love triangle between seth Anna and Summer.

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Speaker 2: I want to explain everything to you. Guys. I kissed you.

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Speaker 2: I know, I kissed you so true. I always knew

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Speaker 2: you were late, bloom were sweety. We you not go?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 1: The great music Anna, Yep, all of that. It's simply

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Speaker 1: Some fun facts quick cameos Chris Pratt. As aforementioned, he

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Speaker 1: a young Sandy Cohen in a flashback o good casting

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Speaker 1: Shaylene Woodley. I was originally Marissa's younger sister in season one.

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Speaker 2: Relaxed his all checks are so late. We're not from

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Speaker 1: And but heard had a cameo in season two. There

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Speaker 1: are many more. I could go on forever, but none

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Speaker 1: you My structure for today's follows. Inappropriate relationships, both on

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Speaker 1: worst and most bizarre storylines Inappropriate relationships on screen Julie Cooper,

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Speaker 1: Underground how she was annoying, she had like red hair,

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Speaker 1: having been on the OC. Anyway, it's accepted in the

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Speaker 1: you can't but it's the law. No, but it's not right. No,

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Speaker 1: goes along wreaking havoc. It's honestly chaos. Then there was

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Speaker 1: Ben McKenzie was forty five. No, he wasn't he was

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Speaker 1: age of consent in California is eighteen. Yeah, but they

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Speaker 1: weren't having real sex on screen. They probably were because

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Speaker 1: this year she was a guest John call her daddy. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now I saw the clips and she said that her

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Speaker 1: cares about them. Mischa Button's face up close. Yeah, it's

419
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:41,109
Speaker 1: not that complicated. Nice music, Yeah, near's Eve Ryan arrived,

420
00:24:41,309 --> 00:24:44,429
Speaker 1: b Roll b Roll of Orange County. Yeah, not that

421
00:24:44,469 --> 00:24:47,869
Speaker 1: hard and some fun music. In other gossips, Mischa Barton

422
00:24:48,229 --> 00:24:51,549
Speaker 1: and Rachel Bilson didn't really get along. In a two

423
00:24:51,589 --> 00:24:54,669
Speaker 1: thousand and four interview with Elle, Button made a very

424
00:24:54,669 --> 00:24:59,469
Speaker 1: odd comment about Bilson. She said she's way more overtly

425
00:24:59,549 --> 00:25:02,589
Speaker 1: sexual than I am. She is so botite, and I'm

426
00:25:02,629 --> 00:25:05,509
Speaker 1: so tall and lanky. I think I'd be scared of

427
00:25:05,589 --> 00:25:12,509
Speaker 1: having her voluptuousness. I like being understatedly sex. Oh okay,

428
00:25:12,669 --> 00:25:15,829
Speaker 1: so you're calling her a slut. But we've got we've

429
00:25:15,829 --> 00:25:18,589
Speaker 1: got the Madonna Hall. Yeah, complex and what you've done

430
00:25:18,629 --> 00:25:20,149
Speaker 1: if you've called Bilton a hall.

431
00:25:20,309 --> 00:25:20,509
Speaker 2: Yeah.

432
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:25,869
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, I'm really thin, and therefore I'm sexy

433
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:28,749
Speaker 1: in a better way. What you'll notice is I am

434
00:25:28,869 --> 00:25:32,909
Speaker 1: very thin, Rachel Bilson's a slut, and Scott a tits out,

435
00:25:32,909 --> 00:25:36,709
Speaker 1: which I think is unseemly and undignified. I personally cover

436
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:40,509
Speaker 1: myself and you'll realize I'm sexy in a more demure way.

437
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:43,669
Speaker 2: Very demure, very mindful.

438
00:25:43,189 --> 00:25:46,229
Speaker 1: Mischi of button. Then, in twenty twenty one, when asked

439
00:25:46,269 --> 00:25:48,869
Speaker 1: what prompted her decision to leave the series at the

440
00:25:48,949 --> 00:25:51,909
Speaker 1: end of season three, Barton gave an interview with E

441
00:25:52,229 --> 00:25:54,749
Speaker 1: did it keep going after Barton left? Wow, there's a

442
00:25:54,749 --> 00:25:57,709
Speaker 1: whole season? Okay, all right? That hinted that Bilson being

443
00:25:57,789 --> 00:26:01,789
Speaker 1: cast as a series regular played a part. It had

444
00:26:01,829 --> 00:26:04,669
Speaker 1: a lot to do with them adding Bilson in last

445
00:26:04,749 --> 00:26:08,349
Speaker 1: minute as after the first season a series regular and

446
00:26:08,429 --> 00:26:12,589
Speaker 1: evening out everybody's pay. So she's basically saying I was

447
00:26:12,629 --> 00:26:15,429
Speaker 1: meant to be the lead. Yeah, and then they got Summer,

448
00:26:15,869 --> 00:26:17,869
Speaker 1: like Summer had more of a role. I felt like

449
00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:20,469
Speaker 1: Rachel Bilson did go to Brown for a bit. I

450
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:23,749
Speaker 1: was in season four, Yeah, but I think she like disappeared. Yeah,

451
00:26:23,789 --> 00:26:26,269
Speaker 1: well I don't feel like I followed, okay, but there

452
00:26:26,349 --> 00:26:28,909
Speaker 1: was a lot of following Seth Cohen around that house.

453
00:26:29,469 --> 00:26:33,269
Speaker 1: Didn't he get on a boat? Who got on a boat?

454
00:26:32,989 --> 00:26:37,029
Speaker 1: And that was the end of season one? That was

455
00:26:37,709 --> 00:26:40,589
Speaker 1: early right, Okay, maybe we didn't follow them on the boat. No.

456
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:46,349
Speaker 1: Bilson responded on a podcast saying that's misinformation. Where is

457
00:26:46,389 --> 00:26:48,589
Speaker 1: she going with this and what is she trying to say?

458
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:50,669
Speaker 1: I would actually like to talk to her and find

459
00:26:50,669 --> 00:26:53,669
Speaker 1: out what her experience was from her perspective, because I

460
00:26:53,709 --> 00:26:57,749
Speaker 1: saw things a little differently. So she's clearly like, why

461
00:26:57,789 --> 00:27:00,909
Speaker 1: does mister button hate me? We'll have him here if

462
00:27:00,989 --> 00:27:04,189
Speaker 1: they want to have a chat, I will get you

463
00:27:04,269 --> 00:27:07,349
Speaker 1: off the mic. Yeah, say, ladies, sit down. This is

464
00:27:07,469 --> 00:27:10,549
Speaker 1: not the format of this podcast, in fact, not even

465
00:27:10,589 --> 00:27:14,229
Speaker 1: recording it. This is just for me. Players, just don't

466
00:27:14,229 --> 00:27:17,309
Speaker 1: mind her. She's in the corner. Yeah, she's listening. I'm salivating.

467
00:27:17,429 --> 00:27:21,149
Speaker 1: She's salivating. And what we're gonna ask is who here

468
00:27:21,429 --> 00:27:25,669
Speaker 1: is the bitch bo that's fun on call? Her Daddy

469
00:27:25,989 --> 00:27:29,949
Speaker 1: Barton said it's typical that in these sets not everybody

470
00:27:29,989 --> 00:27:32,069
Speaker 1: is going to get along. There are going to be clashes.

471
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:34,469
Speaker 1: There's going to be people who create rumors and make

472
00:27:34,509 --> 00:27:36,669
Speaker 1: stuff up. I think I was very sensitive to that

473
00:27:36,749 --> 00:27:39,469
Speaker 1: because I was so young. It felt like high school

474
00:27:39,469 --> 00:27:43,229
Speaker 1: but in the real world and very elevated and very magnified.

475
00:27:43,829 --> 00:27:45,909
Speaker 1: I was looking at some stuff recently about pretty little liars,

476
00:27:45,949 --> 00:27:48,269
Speaker 1: and they always say not everyone's gonna get along, and

477
00:27:48,349 --> 00:27:52,589
Speaker 1: I'm like, so there was fucking gossips. Okay, what I

478
00:27:53,069 --> 00:27:55,589
Speaker 1: hear is what I'm hearing. And when people say not

479
00:27:55,589 --> 00:27:59,229
Speaker 1: everyone's going to get along, it's like, who are you bullying? Who?

480
00:27:59,629 --> 00:28:02,589
Speaker 1: Who specifically bullying? I remember in year nine they do.

481
00:28:02,749 --> 00:28:07,749
Speaker 1: I think people mostly get along in a workplace. If

482
00:28:07,749 --> 00:28:10,189
Speaker 1: they don't, there are issues that should be addressed. But

483
00:28:10,229 --> 00:28:12,029
Speaker 1: I remember in year nine they did like a religion

484
00:28:12,109 --> 00:28:13,909
Speaker 1: Day or whatever, and they did a big thing on

485
00:28:13,989 --> 00:28:16,589
Speaker 1: rumors are damaging? Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, that

486
00:28:16,749 --> 00:28:19,549
Speaker 1: was very very vague, and I was a quick question,

487
00:28:20,469 --> 00:28:24,669
Speaker 1: what rumors? May you share them? Just so that I

488
00:28:24,749 --> 00:28:27,029
Speaker 1: don't understand that they're damaging? But I was thinking that

489
00:28:27,069 --> 00:28:29,269
Speaker 1: maybe if all of us could share one rumor and

490
00:28:29,309 --> 00:28:31,349
Speaker 1: we could kind of play with that and talk about

491
00:28:31,349 --> 00:28:34,349
Speaker 1: how they're damaging. Because I heard that she's given a

492
00:28:34,349 --> 00:28:38,749
Speaker 1: hand job. That's all I'm saying. It's very like actors

493
00:28:39,229 --> 00:28:43,029
Speaker 1: to say that not everyone gets along. You can't imagine

494
00:28:43,069 --> 00:28:44,909
Speaker 1: like a group of people in a writer's room and

495
00:28:44,949 --> 00:28:46,949
Speaker 1: then someone coming out of the writer's room and saying,

496
00:28:47,069 --> 00:28:52,069
Speaker 1: not everyone gets along, not everyone's gonna get home. I'm boring,

497
00:28:52,429 --> 00:28:55,589
Speaker 1: You're boring. There's less ego, like go into a staff room,

498
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:59,509
Speaker 1: like there's eccentric. There's imagine a teacher, a teacher being like,

499
00:28:59,589 --> 00:29:04,189
Speaker 1: not everyone gets long, Like you're busy doing your job. Yeah,

500
00:29:04,309 --> 00:29:07,909
Speaker 1: everyone's too busy to be playing into this drama. But

501
00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:12,029
Speaker 1: then Barton appeared on Bill's podcast, which is like a

502
00:29:12,109 --> 00:29:18,229
Speaker 1: rewatch of the OC podcast. Yeah with Julie. Julie's has

503
00:29:18,269 --> 00:29:20,509
Speaker 1: a lot to say. I guess Julie has she done much,

504
00:29:21,389 --> 00:29:25,669
Speaker 1: she's done the podcast? Okay, I care anyway, Button appeared

505
00:29:25,709 --> 00:29:28,189
Speaker 1: on that it's called Welcome to the OC, and so

506
00:29:28,229 --> 00:29:30,669
Speaker 1: I reckon they've made up all right? Love that? Yeah,

507
00:29:30,669 --> 00:29:32,829
Speaker 1: so they already they stole our ideas. No more, no

508
00:29:32,909 --> 00:29:35,549
Speaker 1: more rumors, I guess, no more rumors. But we could

509
00:29:35,629 --> 00:29:46,949
Speaker 1: find out what the rumors were at the time. Yeah,

510
00:29:47,549 --> 00:29:50,149
Speaker 1: was Marissa the worst? I don't even know what to

511
00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:56,229
Speaker 1: say we did find this. Wow, I'll see if you're right.

512
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:58,149
Speaker 1: On the first Wilm we could start smoking. We had

513
00:29:58,269 --> 00:30:03,509
Speaker 1: luck cool kidding kind of wait. Stop, I'm sorry, but

514
00:30:03,589 --> 00:30:07,029
Speaker 1: I can't do this. I have to go what You're

515
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:12,189
Speaker 1: already even gonna try and start me? You are so

516
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:17,149
Speaker 1: fight o'kay have money, Jesse online. There's a weird level

517
00:30:17,229 --> 00:30:21,269
Speaker 1: of animosity towards Marissa Cooper. That's the same with Carrie Bradshaw.

518
00:30:21,309 --> 00:30:24,389
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, characters complicated at Fardy, that's why you

519
00:30:24,469 --> 00:30:28,789
Speaker 1: watched it. Yes, it is one of those times where

520
00:30:28,829 --> 00:30:31,629
Speaker 1: people have to remember it was just a TV show

521
00:30:31,709 --> 00:30:34,989
Speaker 1: and Marissa wasn't real. She was just a character. This

522
00:30:35,189 --> 00:30:38,269
Speaker 1: is from a Bustle article. You see Marissa Cooper, played

523
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:40,989
Speaker 1: by the monotone voiced Barton, is one of the worst

524
00:30:41,069 --> 00:30:45,669
Speaker 1: TV characters to ever Grace the Medium. She's whiny and annoying, selfish,

525
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:48,789
Speaker 1: and narcissistic from the moment she first appears on screen,

526
00:30:49,229 --> 00:30:53,189
Speaker 1: creepily oggling Ryan until he offers her a cigarette. Her

527
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:55,869
Speaker 1: entire purpose is to make things more difficult for the

528
00:30:55,949 --> 00:30:59,509
Speaker 1: teens of Newport than they need to be. She starts fights,

529
00:30:59,749 --> 00:31:03,269
Speaker 1: breaks up relationships, forces her friends to literally save her

530
00:31:03,349 --> 00:31:07,589
Speaker 1: life several times, doing absolutely nothing in return, except in

531
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:12,549
Speaker 1: capital letters, ruin their lives. The author rites got carried

532
00:31:12,589 --> 00:31:19,349
Speaker 1: away constant near death experiences. It's gold plot, she writes,

533
00:31:19,709 --> 00:31:23,909
Speaker 1: almost dying in Tijuana, almost dying with Oliver, almost dying

534
00:31:23,989 --> 00:31:27,789
Speaker 1: with Trey. All right, that one wasn't her fault. Okay,

535
00:31:28,029 --> 00:31:30,909
Speaker 1: what we need you to do? Almost to stop watching me?

536
00:31:30,989 --> 00:31:33,429
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, put it down. Put it down. Fine,

537
00:31:33,749 --> 00:31:35,669
Speaker 1: that's actually it's not even being made anymore. So you

538
00:31:35,829 --> 00:31:38,149
Speaker 1: just got to move on. Marissa couldn't go a couple

539
00:31:38,229 --> 00:31:41,389
Speaker 1: of months without nearly getting killed, and every time she

540
00:31:41,469 --> 00:31:43,869
Speaker 1: came close to biting it, her friends had to be

541
00:31:43,949 --> 00:31:47,589
Speaker 1: the ones who saved alive. And when she actually died

542
00:31:47,749 --> 00:31:52,389
Speaker 1: in the third season spoiler, it was because bull Chuck,

543
00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:55,269
Speaker 1: the creepy guy she's been hanging out with, rammed into

544
00:31:55,349 --> 00:31:58,669
Speaker 1: Ryan's cart and ruined his life too. Even in death,

545
00:31:58,789 --> 00:32:02,869
Speaker 1: Marissa couldn't help but make things difficult for everyone around her. Okay,

546
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:05,629
Speaker 1: you need to see a therapist, because you don't get

547
00:32:05,709 --> 00:32:08,749
Speaker 1: to be mad at someone when they've died. That way,

548
00:32:08,829 --> 00:32:13,429
Speaker 1: she's like dying freaking annoying and selfish, And there are

549
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:15,869
Speaker 1: so many shows where like the main character is a

550
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:18,509
Speaker 1: serial killer, and I would argue that they yus. For example,

551
00:32:20,469 --> 00:32:23,989
Speaker 1: she also talks about when Marissa made Ryan's life terrible

552
00:32:24,709 --> 00:32:27,669
Speaker 1: after moving to Newport. The only thing Ryan needed in

553
00:32:27,789 --> 00:32:36,149
Speaker 1: his life was stability and real baby Cooper, the crazy,

554
00:32:36,509 --> 00:32:41,429
Speaker 1: unlikable and totally unappreciative girl next door. Over the course

555
00:32:41,949 --> 00:32:46,429
Speaker 1: there again, off again relationship, Marissa did everything in her

556
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:50,189
Speaker 1: power to make Ryan's life mising. No, you need to

557
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:53,669
Speaker 1: speak to the site. Okay. When she died, she sent

558
00:32:53,789 --> 00:32:56,909
Speaker 1: him on a downward spiral that ended with cage fighting.

559
00:32:57,429 --> 00:33:04,629
Speaker 1: What dear Ryan of the OC pilot shut ah, see

560
00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:07,909
Speaker 1: that girl standing there weirdly staring at you. Don't talk

561
00:33:07,989 --> 00:33:10,509
Speaker 1: to her. In fact, get as far away from marrors

562
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:18,229
Speaker 1: you can trust me? Could Okay? You need to chill.

563
00:33:18,709 --> 00:33:24,549
Speaker 1: You need to chill Marissa as she was needed. The

564
00:33:24,709 --> 00:33:28,789
Speaker 1: chaos is necessary to the story to move Ryan also

565
00:33:28,869 --> 00:33:34,509
Speaker 1: a character. Ryan didn't need stability all right, Ryan needed plot.

566
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:39,269
Speaker 1: Ryan needed plot in order to sustain the series.

567
00:33:39,349 --> 00:33:44,269
Speaker 3: Okay, and Ryan doesn't need your protection because Ryan isn't real.

568
00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:50,189
Speaker 1: Okay. The most bizarre storylines Marissa and Alex don't let

569
00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:52,549
Speaker 1: her talk me to stay the name, you can't, you

570
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:54,829
Speaker 1: have to take me home. In season two, we have

571
00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:58,989
Speaker 1: the same sex relationship which Perpetua, which was fun. Precisely

572
00:33:59,229 --> 00:34:04,789
Speaker 1: every stereotype damage about biosexuality. Alex is played by Livia Wilde,

573
00:34:04,869 --> 00:34:08,069
Speaker 1: and she dates both Seth Cohen and Marissa Cooper love

574
00:34:08,189 --> 00:34:12,469
Speaker 1: because by sexual people date everyone in discretion, duplicitous. Yes,

575
00:34:12,669 --> 00:34:15,469
Speaker 1: you can't trust him exactly. That was very much the

576
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:18,309
Speaker 1: line that they were trying to push in sort of

577
00:34:18,429 --> 00:34:22,069
Speaker 1: the early two thousands was bisexual people. They were like,

578
00:34:22,509 --> 00:34:25,549
Speaker 1: because that bisexuality, it exists. We're not saying it doesn't exist.

579
00:34:25,709 --> 00:34:28,429
Speaker 1: We're saying saying, make up your mind, is what we're saying,

580
00:34:28,509 --> 00:34:30,789
Speaker 1: because otherwise they'll take the boys and the girls.

581
00:34:30,789 --> 00:34:31,149
Speaker 3: And then what.

582
00:34:33,789 --> 00:34:37,149
Speaker 1: They were saying, it's manipulative. It's manipulative, and yet you

583
00:34:37,269 --> 00:34:40,509
Speaker 1: can't trust him, and that's just not true. Alex was

584
00:34:40,549 --> 00:34:43,789
Speaker 1: a bad girl, and bisexuality obviously goes hand in hand

585
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:47,229
Speaker 1: with being a bad rebelliousness. Yes, but there was a

586
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:52,349
Speaker 1: lot of trivialization around same sex relationships. Kirsten literally says,

587
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:55,709
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's just a phase about Marissa being with

588
00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:58,869
Speaker 1: Alex and when Seth finds out that Alex stated a

589
00:34:58,909 --> 00:35:02,109
Speaker 1: woman before him. He says she needs to be reminded

590
00:35:02,309 --> 00:35:06,829
Speaker 1: that testosterone was missing in her last relationship. Cool. I

591
00:35:06,949 --> 00:35:08,829
Speaker 1: think it is reflective of the world in which this

592
00:35:08,909 --> 00:35:11,269
Speaker 1: show was created, which was that those sorts of awful

593
00:35:11,309 --> 00:35:15,509
Speaker 1: things were being said behind closed doors within families all

594
00:35:15,549 --> 00:35:20,749
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, Summer versus Anna. In season one, Seth

595
00:35:20,829 --> 00:35:23,949
Speaker 1: goes from having no friends to having two girls pining

596
00:35:23,989 --> 00:35:27,469
Speaker 1: after him, one who he likes for her personality, Anna,

597
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:31,189
Speaker 1: and the other he likes because she's hot Summer. Who

598
00:35:31,229 --> 00:35:34,509
Speaker 1: does he choose the whole one Summer? Yeah? Cool, even

599
00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:37,509
Speaker 1: though she's there's a moral in that. I remember thinking

600
00:35:37,669 --> 00:35:41,749
Speaker 1: there was some strange morals. I didn't like it. I

601
00:35:41,789 --> 00:35:43,869
Speaker 1: thought it would be nice if he chose Anna, but

602
00:35:43,949 --> 00:35:46,229
Speaker 1: we all knew it was never going to Yeah. I

603
00:35:46,309 --> 00:35:48,069
Speaker 1: think that they dangled the two in front of him

604
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:50,069
Speaker 1: to try and keep him interested because he wasn't reading

605
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:52,029
Speaker 1: the scripts, so they were like, pretty thing, No, he

606
00:35:52,309 --> 00:35:54,989
Speaker 1: was pretty sick. Season one, Oh okay, and they're like,

607
00:35:55,149 --> 00:35:57,989
Speaker 1: every man must make a choice between a blonde and

608
00:35:58,069 --> 00:36:01,589
Speaker 1: a brunette. Not usually true, and if you have brown hair,

609
00:36:02,109 --> 00:36:04,789
Speaker 1: you will choose the brunette. If you are blonde, like

610
00:36:04,989 --> 00:36:07,869
Speaker 1: forty five year old right over here, you will choose

611
00:36:08,029 --> 00:36:10,109
Speaker 1: blonde blonde. The blonde is with the blonde. We don't

612
00:36:10,429 --> 00:36:15,069
Speaker 1: cross pollinate. Y yuck yu. And you also must choose

613
00:36:15,629 --> 00:36:20,589
Speaker 1: between hot, rebellious, kind of off the rails and like

614
00:36:20,869 --> 00:36:26,149
Speaker 1: mean and like mean and nice and nice is boring?

615
00:36:26,349 --> 00:36:31,949
Speaker 1: Yeah dark. For plot, Ryan punching people Jesse. Ryan often

616
00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:34,069
Speaker 1: beats someone up in the third act of the episode,

617
00:36:34,149 --> 00:36:37,709
Speaker 1: and it's a conflict, it's a complication, I understand. Yeah. Narratively,

618
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:40,029
Speaker 1: the tension had to rise and then he'd often throw

619
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:42,669
Speaker 1: a punch, just as Seth gave a quirky one liner.

620
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:46,189
Speaker 1: But it went to a whole new level after Marissa died,

621
00:36:46,669 --> 00:36:51,229
Speaker 1: which we'll get to where Ryan decided to take up

622
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:54,669
Speaker 1: a cage fighting career. There's a scene what is cage fighting? Oh,

623
00:36:54,709 --> 00:36:56,229
Speaker 1: you're in a cage and you're fighting. Yeah, it's like

624
00:36:56,349 --> 00:36:59,429
Speaker 1: professional fighting. But it's like he has tried to, like,

625
00:36:59,669 --> 00:37:02,789
Speaker 1: you know, take the bad boy out of himself. But

626
00:37:02,869 --> 00:37:05,469
Speaker 1: he's like, I guess I'll just get beaten up, and

627
00:37:05,549 --> 00:37:08,149
Speaker 1: so he does this cage fight where he just gets

628
00:37:08,349 --> 00:37:11,789
Speaker 1: beaten up and lets himself be beaten up. I guess

629
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:15,469
Speaker 1: because he's grieving. Okay, but then men are weird, but

630
00:37:15,949 --> 00:37:18,709
Speaker 1: men are weird. But then he turns around and wins,

631
00:37:19,789 --> 00:37:23,069
Speaker 1: but doesn't collect his winnings, and it's like too many

632
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:26,269
Speaker 1: plot points. This is a weird trajectory for Ryan. Yeah,

633
00:37:26,829 --> 00:37:29,749
Speaker 1: the man needs to get out of the cave, get

634
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:31,989
Speaker 1: a job. He's actually quite clever in the show. I

635
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:34,749
Speaker 1: forgot that he's quite good at school. He should focus

636
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:37,029
Speaker 1: on that. Put your head down, yep, yep. Needs to

637
00:37:37,149 --> 00:37:40,989
Speaker 1: go to college. Yeah, stop throwing punches, yep. Marissa's death.

638
00:37:41,949 --> 00:37:44,749
Speaker 1: Unless you are Game of Thrones, you simply cannot kill

639
00:37:44,789 --> 00:37:47,389
Speaker 1: off a main character and expect the show to thrive

640
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:52,989
Speaker 1: in season I think they expected. In season three, things

641
00:37:53,029 --> 00:37:55,749
Speaker 1: are finally looking better for her. They've all graduated. She's

642
00:37:55,749 --> 00:37:57,509
Speaker 1: about to go to Greece to work on a boat,

643
00:37:57,829 --> 00:38:00,549
Speaker 1: and Ryan is driving her to the airport. Then she's

644
00:38:00,669 --> 00:38:03,549
Speaker 1: killed in a car accident caused by vulture.

645
00:38:08,629 --> 00:38:27,429
Speaker 3: Of first, Ryan carries her out of the burning car

646
00:38:27,869 --> 00:38:31,109
Speaker 3: while Halloween play Jesse, did you rewatch this?

647
00:38:31,469 --> 00:38:37,589
Speaker 1: Yeah? I will always find that profoundly moving. It's the flashback,

648
00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,789
Speaker 1: so she's dying. She still looks so pretty lucky. She

649
00:38:40,869 --> 00:38:47,309
Speaker 1: has a tiny bit of body some would say pretty

650
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:49,869
Speaker 1: ear because she's just so still and beautiful and you

651
00:38:49,909 --> 00:38:52,109
Speaker 1: can scare at her and she's not moving. Yeah, and

652
00:38:52,909 --> 00:38:56,829
Speaker 1: then there's a flashback to like Ryan driving away from

653
00:38:58,469 --> 00:39:01,069
Speaker 1: and she's standing on the street, and it's just it

654
00:39:01,189 --> 00:39:04,189
Speaker 1: honestly makes me feel quite sick with emotion. I think

655
00:39:04,269 --> 00:39:06,869
Speaker 1: they did something there. They did, Yeah, but I will

656
00:39:06,869 --> 00:39:09,629
Speaker 1: say it is bizarre for her to die and then

657
00:39:10,149 --> 00:39:11,869
Speaker 1: expect the story. Didn't she just want to get off

658
00:39:11,909 --> 00:39:14,109
Speaker 1: the show? Yeah? But then the story they should have

659
00:39:14,229 --> 00:39:15,829
Speaker 1: ended the series. Well, they should have ended the series

660
00:39:15,869 --> 00:39:20,509
Speaker 1: after season one. Yeah, and this is why the series

661
00:39:20,629 --> 00:39:23,949
Speaker 1: needed to end when Marissa died. Okay, because then in

662
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:28,509
Speaker 1: season four we had an alternate universe plot. What, No,

663
00:39:28,629 --> 00:39:30,909
Speaker 1: we didn't, No, we didn't. So Ryan is in a

664
00:39:30,949 --> 00:39:33,669
Speaker 1: relationship joking about a cage fighting. No, well, I mean

665
00:39:33,709 --> 00:39:36,549
Speaker 1: the cage fighting isn't in the alternate universe. But where's

666
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:39,509
Speaker 1: that that just happens in season four? Okay? Anyway, Ryan

667
00:39:39,629 --> 00:39:42,589
Speaker 1: is in a relationship with Taylor. Who's Taylor, you'd know

668
00:39:42,669 --> 00:39:45,589
Speaker 1: her face. She goes to the school, okay, but they

669
00:39:45,709 --> 00:39:48,069
Speaker 1: both fall off a ladder. How long are they at school,

670
00:39:48,309 --> 00:39:50,789
Speaker 1: like I feel like they were nearly done in season one.

671
00:39:51,069 --> 00:39:53,629
Speaker 1: In season four, like they knew each other from school Oka,

672
00:39:53,909 --> 00:39:56,709
Speaker 1: but like some of the others are at college. They

673
00:39:56,789 --> 00:40:01,309
Speaker 1: both fall off a ladder and into together. Yeah, they're

674
00:40:01,349 --> 00:40:05,109
Speaker 1: both on the ladder. Well, yeah, and they're going to

675
00:40:05,189 --> 00:40:08,669
Speaker 1: fall off in a coma, And in that coma they

676
00:40:08,909 --> 00:40:13,789
Speaker 1: enter at an alternate u universe where Ryan never moved

677
00:40:13,909 --> 00:40:18,189
Speaker 1: to Newport Beach for some reason. As I said, both

678
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:21,389
Speaker 1: Ryan and Taylor are in the alternate universe together. Yeah,

679
00:40:21,749 --> 00:40:24,069
Speaker 1: that's what happens. Actually, I've heard with comas is that

680
00:40:24,549 --> 00:40:26,229
Speaker 1: if you have a comera in someone you know at

681
00:40:26,229 --> 00:40:29,589
Speaker 1: the coma, then it's like ash joined. It's like if

682
00:40:29,629 --> 00:40:32,189
Speaker 1: you're playing like a video game on Xbox and then

683
00:40:32,229 --> 00:40:35,109
Speaker 1: someone else lugs in, kind of like that. Taylor goes

684
00:40:35,189 --> 00:40:38,949
Speaker 1: to Marissa's bedroom in the alternate universe and the maid

685
00:40:39,149 --> 00:40:42,589
Speaker 1: says Miss Cooper's plane arrives at three o'clock from Berkeley,

686
00:40:42,909 --> 00:40:46,269
Speaker 1: which is where Marissa wanted to go. So Taylor believes

687
00:40:46,349 --> 00:40:49,669
Speaker 1: Marissa is still alive in this alternate universe, and she

688
00:40:49,869 --> 00:40:51,549
Speaker 1: tells Ryan, but she doesn't want him to go to

689
00:40:51,629 --> 00:40:54,469
Speaker 1: the airport because she's worried that he'll be like, oh

690
00:40:54,509 --> 00:40:56,309
Speaker 1: my god, Marissa's here, and then he won't ever want

691
00:40:56,309 --> 00:41:00,709
Speaker 1: to leave the alternate universe. At the air I'm moved.

692
00:41:00,869 --> 00:41:04,029
Speaker 1: I have a little bit more. At the airport, Ryan

693
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:06,989
Speaker 1: grabs the shoulder of a girl he thinks is Marissa,

694
00:41:07,189 --> 00:41:09,989
Speaker 1: but Marissa said she wouldn't do season four. It's actually

695
00:41:10,229 --> 00:41:14,869
Speaker 1: Marissa's younger sister, Caitlin, otherwise known as Shalene, would lee.

696
00:41:15,229 --> 00:41:20,189
Speaker 1: Only at the beginning, she explains that her sister died

697
00:41:20,269 --> 00:41:23,909
Speaker 1: three years ago of an overdose in Tijuana, So basically

698
00:41:23,989 --> 00:41:27,829
Speaker 1: it's like she would have died. I gotsmumps. She would

699
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:32,029
Speaker 1: have died in Tijuana, Yeah, which was like before a

700
00:41:32,149 --> 00:41:34,829
Speaker 1: lot of stuff happened. Oh, because I think Ryan rescued

701
00:41:34,829 --> 00:41:38,709
Speaker 1: it from Tijuana. Anyway, everyone else's lives are different. But

702
00:41:39,309 --> 00:41:44,229
Speaker 1: I guess what you learn is that you really need

703
00:41:44,349 --> 00:41:46,949
Speaker 1: to make up alternate universes when you kill off. When

704
00:41:46,989 --> 00:41:49,429
Speaker 1: you run out. Does he come out of the clima, Yeah,

705
00:41:49,509 --> 00:41:52,989
Speaker 1: together with Taylor. Yeah, and he's like ever talk about it. Yeah,

706
00:41:53,269 --> 00:41:55,949
Speaker 1: but it's like, I guess he's at peace knowing she

707
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:59,629
Speaker 1: would have died anyway. Cool. I don't know. There's a

708
00:41:59,709 --> 00:42:01,429
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that like doesn't happen. Like there's some

709
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:03,989
Speaker 1: sad stuff. There's a guy Johnny who falls off a cliff.

710
00:42:04,189 --> 00:42:08,269
Speaker 1: He doesn't fall off the cliff if Ryan doesn't come. Okay, Yeah, anyway,

711
00:42:08,829 --> 00:42:12,789
Speaker 1: when Marissa shot tries this is such a complicated storyline.

712
00:42:12,869 --> 00:42:15,589
Speaker 1: Whoo's Tray again? Who played him? He's Ryan's brother, you

713
00:42:15,709 --> 00:42:18,549
Speaker 1: know his face? Okay, But he gets out of jail

714
00:42:18,709 --> 00:42:20,829
Speaker 1: and he comes to the OC and he ends up

715
00:42:20,949 --> 00:42:24,909
Speaker 1: sexually assaulting Marissa. When Ryan finds out, he goes to

716
00:42:25,029 --> 00:42:28,989
Speaker 1: Trey's place to confront him and they're fighting. Trey is

717
00:42:29,069 --> 00:42:32,589
Speaker 1: about to he like grabs like a landline phone which

718
00:42:33,309 --> 00:42:37,789
Speaker 1: damn bad a brick and goes to hit him, but

719
00:42:37,989 --> 00:42:42,549
Speaker 1: Marissa grabs the gun and shoots him, and Jesse, can

720
00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:45,909
Speaker 1: you read this T shirt? I still think about when

721
00:42:45,989 --> 00:42:49,189
Speaker 1: Marissa shot Trey to save Ryan while Imagen heaps. Hide

722
00:42:49,189 --> 00:42:54,509
Speaker 1: and Seek played on the OC season two finale, Please

723
00:42:54,629 --> 00:43:06,229
Speaker 1: starve it. That's where it's like what you say, and

724
00:43:06,629 --> 00:43:09,349
Speaker 1: it's all of a sudden slow motion and Tray's the

725
00:43:09,469 --> 00:43:12,149
Speaker 1: bullet go from his back to his front and the

726
00:43:12,229 --> 00:43:16,549
Speaker 1: blood starts pouring out and you're like, as killed Tray yeah,

727
00:43:16,669 --> 00:43:19,549
Speaker 1: but it does say in small text, I downloaded an

728
00:43:19,629 --> 00:43:21,509
Speaker 1: MP three of the song the next day. Yeah, I

729
00:43:21,549 --> 00:43:23,589
Speaker 1: think we downloaded from Lime Wire.

730
00:43:23,749 --> 00:43:23,909
Speaker 3: Yes.

731
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:27,429
Speaker 1: So that was the season two finale. Beginning of season three,

732
00:43:27,749 --> 00:43:31,469
Speaker 1: Tray's alive. He survived. He was in a goma obviously,

733
00:43:32,149 --> 00:43:36,309
Speaker 1: and Marissa is now like facing legal consequences, you know

734
00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:38,589
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like Trey just needed to die. Yeah,

735
00:43:38,629 --> 00:43:41,349
Speaker 1: he did need to die. But I guess contractually he

736
00:43:41,469 --> 00:43:53,229
Speaker 1: was meant to be another season. Yeah, I guess so, Jesse,

737
00:43:53,669 --> 00:44:00,829
Speaker 1: it's time for charges and sentences. My charge, my biggest

738
00:44:00,869 --> 00:44:05,389
Speaker 1: charge in all of this, is that these young stars

739
00:44:06,669 --> 00:44:09,749
Speaker 1: they thought, well when I say they are mostly mean,

740
00:44:09,789 --> 00:44:12,629
Speaker 1: Adam Brody, yeah, and the little bit Ben mackenzie. Yeah,

741
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:16,029
Speaker 1: thought they could do better than the writers. And what

742
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:22,069
Speaker 1: they weren't experiencing was say, pressure from the network, feed

743
00:44:22,269 --> 00:44:25,349
Speaker 1: back from producers, all sorts of things about what you

744
00:44:25,469 --> 00:44:28,389
Speaker 1: had to do, what you couldn't do, who needed more time?

745
00:44:29,469 --> 00:44:34,029
Speaker 1: And I just think the arrogance of being yes, forty

746
00:44:34,109 --> 00:44:37,509
Speaker 1: seven years old, No, no, he wasn't. Ben McKenzie was

747
00:44:37,509 --> 00:44:40,429
Speaker 1: not forty seven. Yeah he was by the end, he was, Yeah,

748
00:44:40,989 --> 00:44:45,389
Speaker 1: he wasn't thirty yet. But the arrogance of thinking, like

749
00:44:45,709 --> 00:44:49,709
Speaker 1: looking down on the writers and not reading the scripts. Honestly,

750
00:44:49,949 --> 00:44:51,869
Speaker 1: you have a go at and Brady and you're high,

751
00:44:52,549 --> 00:44:59,189
Speaker 1: yeah on screen, but looks like you also are in

752
00:44:59,309 --> 00:45:04,069
Speaker 1: your trailer my sentence. A reboot. You know we're rebooting everything,

753
00:45:04,109 --> 00:45:07,669
Speaker 1: aren't we? Yeah? Remember they bloody rebooted the four House.

754
00:45:07,869 --> 00:45:09,869
Speaker 1: They rebooted everything for a minute. None of them work

755
00:45:09,909 --> 00:45:11,429
Speaker 1: and they never did it again. But go on. And

756
00:45:11,469 --> 00:45:13,989
Speaker 1: I really hate the term reboot me too. I don't

757
00:45:14,149 --> 00:45:16,309
Speaker 1: like it. No, it doesn't work anyway. Yeah, So a

758
00:45:16,389 --> 00:45:23,349
Speaker 1: reboot written exclusively by Adam Brady? Has he written since?

759
00:45:23,509 --> 00:45:25,989
Speaker 1: I don't think so, but I want him it would

760
00:45:25,989 --> 00:45:30,629
Speaker 1: be very quippi. I think he's in his twe forties now, Yeah,

761
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:34,349
Speaker 1: and I want him to sit down. And he's had

762
00:45:34,389 --> 00:45:37,189
Speaker 1: a lot of experience. He was in Jennifer's Body and

763
00:45:38,149 --> 00:45:40,309
Speaker 1: it's the one with Megan Fox. Never heard of it.

764
00:45:40,389 --> 00:45:42,149
Speaker 1: It's actually really good. I've seen a lot of clips

765
00:45:42,189 --> 00:45:45,069
Speaker 1: of it on TikTok. He was in Mister and Missus Smith,

766
00:45:45,149 --> 00:45:47,309
Speaker 1: he was in Promising Young Woman. He's had the most

767
00:45:47,309 --> 00:45:50,149
Speaker 1: successful career of any of them. Yeah, what's Sandy been in?

768
00:45:50,629 --> 00:45:50,789
Speaker 3: Oh?

769
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:55,069
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him. Yeah, originally she's just on podcasts,

770
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:58,069
Speaker 1: she is. Anyway, you want Adam to write a series,

771
00:45:58,869 --> 00:46:03,309
Speaker 1: it would be successful to write a season and just reboot.

772
00:46:03,389 --> 00:46:06,109
Speaker 1: I want to know where are we all? Now? Where

773
00:46:06,149 --> 00:46:08,949
Speaker 1: are we? Because none of us are together? Ross is dead?

774
00:46:10,469 --> 00:46:12,869
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? She comes back? Okay, this is what

775
00:46:12,949 --> 00:46:16,869
Speaker 1: he should do, a reboot. But what you do is

776
00:46:16,909 --> 00:46:21,029
Speaker 1: you were raise No, no, no, you were raise seasons two, three,

777
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:26,029
Speaker 1: and four. Because this is a reboot, pregending that we

778
00:46:26,349 --> 00:46:28,069
Speaker 1: just have season one, which I think was like twenty

779
00:46:28,109 --> 00:46:30,269
Speaker 1: seven to twenty eight episodes. It's actually not about idea

780
00:46:30,389 --> 00:46:36,549
Speaker 1: season one yep, time jump twenty years and now where

781
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:39,829
Speaker 1: are they? Marissa's still alive accident is sitting Ryan and

782
00:46:39,949 --> 00:46:42,069
Speaker 1: his care facility? Aren't we?

783
00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:42,909
Speaker 3: We are?

784
00:46:43,389 --> 00:46:44,229
Speaker 1: We are all right?

785
00:46:44,469 --> 00:46:45,029
Speaker 2: My charge.

786
00:46:45,549 --> 00:46:51,109
Speaker 1: I remember watching this and feeling so ugly. Oh gosh.

787
00:46:51,549 --> 00:46:54,669
Speaker 1: I remember studying mis she Button's face, the simplicity of it,

788
00:46:54,789 --> 00:46:58,469
Speaker 1: and being like, why is my face so complicated? It

789
00:46:58,629 --> 00:47:01,949
Speaker 1: has remembered many parts yeah face yeah, yeah, like there's

790
00:47:02,029 --> 00:47:04,069
Speaker 1: so much wrong with it. And I remember looking at

791
00:47:04,149 --> 00:47:07,469
Speaker 1: Marissa and there was one episode where she wore a

792
00:47:07,509 --> 00:47:10,989
Speaker 1: boob stoop. She look great and strapless, great bone shoulders

793
00:47:11,549 --> 00:47:15,349
Speaker 1: and pearls. And I found myself going to a beach party.

794
00:47:15,469 --> 00:47:17,629
Speaker 1: Oh no, And I did wear pearls to the beach

795
00:47:17,749 --> 00:47:19,709
Speaker 1: and I think back to that, and I think, no, no,

796
00:47:20,509 --> 00:47:23,669
Speaker 1: pearls should never be in a situation where they get sandy.

797
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:26,029
Speaker 3: They were pearls, but you know when they were like

798
00:47:26,229 --> 00:47:30,109
Speaker 3: colored beads. Oh no, colored beads with a.

799
00:47:30,429 --> 00:47:34,189
Speaker 1: Lovely burnt orange boob tube. And I was like, I

800
00:47:34,789 --> 00:47:40,029
Speaker 1: am Mischa Barton, don't get me mixed up. No one,

801
00:47:40,509 --> 00:47:43,829
Speaker 1: No one did. She would have said, she would have said,

802
00:47:44,389 --> 00:47:49,589
Speaker 1: you're too voluptuous, and she's more understated sex. Unfortunately, you

803
00:47:49,709 --> 00:47:54,749
Speaker 1: are right. My sentence is that it was just never

804
00:47:54,869 --> 00:47:59,069
Speaker 1: made with the right people because seventeen year olds are disgusting.

805
00:47:59,629 --> 00:48:04,069
Speaker 1: Hear me out. Seventeen year olds are greasy. They all

806
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:06,789
Speaker 1: have hormonal acne. Because I don't know what's going on yet,

807
00:48:07,709 --> 00:48:12,989
Speaker 1: you've probably not got your braces off making bad fashion decisions. Yep,

808
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:16,749
Speaker 1: you're experimenting with fake tan. Yeah. And here's the other thing.

809
00:48:16,909 --> 00:48:19,429
Speaker 1: I've been spending a lot of time at my local library,

810
00:48:19,749 --> 00:48:22,269
Speaker 1: and that is where HS students hang out. Yeah, and

811
00:48:22,389 --> 00:48:26,949
Speaker 1: there is no one, no offense anything more insufferable, and

812
00:48:27,229 --> 00:48:31,029
Speaker 1: so it needs to be like these teenagers that oscillate

813
00:48:31,149 --> 00:48:33,469
Speaker 1: from like Oh, we're so cool, let's go to a party,

814
00:48:33,869 --> 00:48:36,869
Speaker 1: and then being I think that the maths teachers really

815
00:48:37,269 --> 00:48:41,669
Speaker 1: didn't mark that fair. We need more of a built

816
00:48:42,189 --> 00:48:45,109
Speaker 1: need more. I saw a thing this is totally unrelated.

817
00:48:45,149 --> 00:48:46,909
Speaker 1: I saw a thing at the library, a little poster.

818
00:48:46,989 --> 00:48:48,429
Speaker 1: I nearly took a photo for you because I thought

819
00:48:48,509 --> 00:48:51,149
Speaker 1: it would upset you that said we're having a night

820
00:48:51,269 --> 00:48:53,949
Speaker 1: for everyone doing the HC. Come, We're going to talk

821
00:48:53,949 --> 00:48:56,109
Speaker 1: about study skills. And I was like, study skills, great,

822
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:58,509
Speaker 1: and then it said what food to pack? And I

823
00:48:58,629 --> 00:49:00,909
Speaker 1: was like, I hate you, I hate you. Why do

824
00:49:01,029 --> 00:49:06,349
Speaker 1: you need a session on snacking? That's what a plot

825
00:49:06,469 --> 00:49:08,629
Speaker 1: thing should be. They all go to a night where

826
00:49:08,709 --> 00:49:11,269
Speaker 1: someone says, you know, make sure that you have some fruit.

827
00:49:11,749 --> 00:49:14,589
Speaker 1: So wait, that was on the study skills. Having said

828
00:49:14,629 --> 00:49:17,629
Speaker 1: that was on the agenda of the night where they

829
00:49:17,709 --> 00:49:20,869
Speaker 1: tell you what to do. It was like nutrition and snap,

830
00:49:20,909 --> 00:49:24,429
Speaker 1: okay for your exams. Seventeen year olds take themselves far

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Speaker 1: too seriously. Yeah, for people whom you want to shake

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Speaker 1: and say doesn't mean anything. No, you can't you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't and you've not shot Trey, so you don't

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Speaker 1: have real issues. No, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: at least they had. Marissa died in a car crash,

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Speaker 1: hectic issues just after she graduated, Seth adicted to wedicted.

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Speaker 1: You have little small scale issueses. Before we go, I

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Speaker 1: want to read you a laser girls story which you

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Speaker 1: know who would relate to lazy girl stories, Adam, lazy

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Speaker 1: girl story from Jamie. When I was a teenager, my

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Speaker 1: boyfriend and I would often use a lamb line to

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Speaker 1: call my sister in the next remover on her Nokia

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Speaker 1: three sixty and ask her to make his pancakes. We'd

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Speaker 1: bribe her and tell her we'd get give her pocket money.

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Speaker 1: Little did she know that while she was baking her

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Speaker 1: little heart out for us, I'd sneak into a room

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Speaker 1: and steal her own money and give it back to

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Speaker 1: her as payment. Lazy girls don't carry cash. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Lazy girls don't carry cash needs to be on a team,

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Speaker 1: it does, it does. If we have cash, we stole

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Speaker 1: it from mum'sdraw. Okay, there's also something in there about

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Speaker 1: I think pancakes. We're an oddly prominent feature of Lazy

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Speaker 1: Girl's adolescents. Yes, particularly the one where you just started water.

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Speaker 1: You just do a bit of a shake and you

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Speaker 1: for them out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta wait till it bubbles. We should make pancakes,

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Speaker 1: those girl pancakes. It's just a recipe. Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I did make pancakes from Utilda the other day and

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Speaker 1: I thought, oh, it takes me back, takes me back

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Speaker 1: to being a teenage lazy girl. That would be our os.

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Speaker 1: It's just making pancakes at six pm on a cheese today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this episode

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Speaker 1: of Canceled. Before you go, we thought we should let

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Speaker 1: you know that we make another podcast together. When we're

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Speaker 1: not canceling celebrities. We're trying to cancel parenting. If you

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Speaker 1: two want to laugh at the weird shit your baby

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Speaker 1: has done, or maybe more realistically, the weird shit you

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Speaker 1: have done as a parent, then might we suggest you

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Speaker 1: check out the Baby Bubble. One of our guests this

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Speaker 1: season who had me in absolute stitches was comedian Sammy

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Speaker 1: Shah and he who I still think about his stories.

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Speaker 1: He was so he was so funny. He has done

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Speaker 1: some questionable things to feel vindicated as a parent. He

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Speaker 1: has a very funny story about being on a plane

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Speaker 1: and looking at a twenty one year old and being like,

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Speaker 1: you're not bloody tired, mae. We'll put a link to

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Speaker 1: the baby bubble in our show notes. The producer of

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Speaker 1: Canceled is Kimberly Bradish and the audio producer of Canceled

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Speaker 1: he is Leah Porgies. For more from us, you can

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Speaker 1: follow us at the Twins Underscore thoughts on Instagra. We

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Speaker 1: would love to see you there and if you feel

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Speaker 1: like it, if you've got two minutes laser girls, don't

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Speaker 1: but screw it leave us five star review. We would

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Speaker 1: love that. We'll be back next week.

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Speaker 3: Bye.