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Speaker 1: So much you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello Spillers. Today, I

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Speaker 2: want to talk to you about some very important famous ladies.

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Speaker 2: So Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen were just little baby

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Speaker 2: law for you there. So after that they became some

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Speaker 2: equally as famous for their paparazzi photos where they're seen

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Speaker 2: walking around New York with scarves, sunglasses, and coffee cups

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Speaker 2: that are much bigger than their tiny frames. So what

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Speaker 2: you're about to hear after that incredible cell is an

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Speaker 2: episode of Mamma MIA's comedy podcast Canceled with a huge

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Speaker 2: deep dive that they did into the lives and history

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Speaker 2: of Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. And as you might know,

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Speaker 2: the hosts have canceled. Claire Stephens and Jesse Stevens are twins,

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Speaker 2: so they'll have a little extra insight into the history

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Speaker 1: Here it is hello and welcome to Canceled, the podcast

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Speaker 1: that looks at silly celebrity crimes and as science charges

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Speaker 1: and sentences to them so we can all move on

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Speaker 1: with our lives. I'm Claire Stephens and I'm Jesse Stevens,

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Speaker 1: and today we are talking about our special interest area,

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Speaker 1: the Olsen Twins.

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Speaker 1: You want of brother's pictures, Jesse. We were obsessed with

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Speaker 1: the Olsen Twins growing up. They are all only role models,

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Speaker 1: I would like, look at how beautiful they were like

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Speaker 1: had blonde hair for a bit, green eyes. It's just

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Speaker 1: but I felt that between me and that were only

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Speaker 1: fall into that trap and go, if I were to

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Speaker 1: just purchase the right shade of eyeshadow, I too would

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Speaker 1: delusion that I live in Jesse. We were obsessed with them,

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Speaker 1: not from Full House, but from such shows as Two

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Speaker 1: of a Kind. Okay, Ashley, let's moment you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: late for school? Yea happy you're wearing lastings. That is

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Speaker 2: No, I've got some friends coming over, so try not

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Speaker 4: Then try not to get any lipstick on the glass.

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Speaker 4: What's with the makeup, Ashley, I just done.

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Speaker 1: This is geometry. But I'm pro sassing back.

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Speaker 1: This Wes Moore had a boyfriend cybered boyfriend. To me,

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Speaker 1: what they were the naughty Murphy twins, and Simon got

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Speaker 1: And just on that Seventh Heaven, we have done an episode.

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Speaker 1: We'll happen now show notes to our Seventh Heaven episode,

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Speaker 1: Mary Kay and Ashley are fashion designers and former actors,

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Speaker 1: They have an older brother and a younger sister, Elizabeth Olson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: The reason they got to tins was because child labor

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Speaker 1: own thing. He's a bit rock cut. Ash continued. They

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Speaker 1: They have a T shirt flight eight hundred dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're not Instagram influencer marketing stuff because they don't need

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Speaker 1: them at the Met Gala in twenty sixteen. Can you

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Speaker 1: having too much fun? Yeah? So they always look like

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Speaker 1: Okay, you've got it, dude, Steymos said. The twins acted

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Speaker 1: Nashley movie. They are annoying, evil, creepy robots trying to

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00:22:23,184 --> 00:22:26,384
Speaker 1: take over the world. Well this is why they start. Yeah,

422
00:22:26,464 --> 00:22:29,264
Speaker 1: because everyone thinks they're creepy just because they're twins. There

423
00:22:29,264 --> 00:22:32,864
Speaker 1: is so much discrimination against twins. People do find them

424
00:22:32,864 --> 00:22:37,144
Speaker 1: really creepy and they ask them unusual questions. But Jesse,

425
00:22:37,344 --> 00:22:40,304
Speaker 1: there was one more movie, and this one was different

426
00:22:40,464 --> 00:22:46,984
Speaker 1: because it went to theaters and this was New York Minute.

427
00:22:47,064 --> 00:22:49,304
Speaker 1: It went to theaters. Oh, I definitely saw that in

428
00:22:49,344 --> 00:22:52,824
Speaker 1: the cinema. Yeah, Jess, this is a big moment because

429
00:22:52,824 --> 00:22:55,704
Speaker 1: they'd done so much stuff straight for TV and it

430
00:22:55,824 --> 00:22:58,544
Speaker 1: was like this was launching them as adults. There was

431
00:22:58,584 --> 00:23:01,224
Speaker 1: so much hype they were going to prove themselves as actors.

432
00:23:01,424 --> 00:23:04,624
Speaker 1: This had a big budget and it had Eugene Levy

433
00:23:05,104 --> 00:23:09,624
Speaker 1: did it, Yeah, the Detective. But New York Minute made

434
00:23:09,664 --> 00:23:13,384
Speaker 1: history as the eleventh worst wide opening of all time.

435
00:23:13,824 --> 00:23:16,904
Speaker 1: It has eleven percent on Rotten Tomatoes. This shocks me

436
00:23:17,064 --> 00:23:19,864
Speaker 1: because I think in terms of proof of concept, people

437
00:23:19,944 --> 00:23:22,744
Speaker 1: loved the Olsen Twins. I was gonna follow them literally

438
00:23:22,824 --> 00:23:25,344
Speaker 1: to any country around the globe. And when they were

439
00:23:25,344 --> 00:23:29,144
Speaker 1: going to New York. I was at Greater Union with

440
00:23:29,264 --> 00:23:32,104
Speaker 1: my frozen coke and popcorn at eleven am on a Saturday.

441
00:23:32,184 --> 00:23:35,024
Speaker 1: I know it for sure. It's a very bad movie.

442
00:23:35,064 --> 00:23:38,064
Speaker 1: And apparently people say it's made worse by the fact

443
00:23:38,104 --> 00:23:40,464
Speaker 1: it had a budget, because it made like, I guess,

444
00:23:40,504 --> 00:23:43,704
Speaker 1: the steaks higher, and it made their lack of acting

445
00:23:43,824 --> 00:23:48,344
Speaker 1: chops more obvious. And the other issue was, well, he's

446
00:23:48,344 --> 00:23:51,064
Speaker 1: won at Eugene Levy, He's won an Emmy, So I

447
00:23:51,064 --> 00:23:53,864
Speaker 1: feel like when you're up against that caliber of actor, Yeah,

448
00:23:54,064 --> 00:23:57,784
Speaker 1: it's not always kind. No. No. They had also just

449
00:23:57,824 --> 00:24:01,224
Speaker 1: turned seventeen, and the CEO of their production company has

450
00:24:01,264 --> 00:24:04,064
Speaker 1: since said that they were trying to sell the Olsen

451
00:24:04,104 --> 00:24:08,184
Speaker 1: Twins to college aged men, so instead of cutesy girls

452
00:24:08,184 --> 00:24:11,584
Speaker 1: for a preteen audience, they try to make them sexy.

453
00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:14,384
Speaker 1: And so all the promo around New York minute was

454
00:24:14,424 --> 00:24:19,304
Speaker 1: them doing like magazine spreads, being like we're legal, oh wow, okay, yeah,

455
00:24:19,384 --> 00:24:22,344
Speaker 1: and that was very of the time. Yeah, and online

456
00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:25,224
Speaker 1: there was a website that was a countdown to them

457
00:24:25,224 --> 00:24:27,544
Speaker 1: being legal, and then it had like all the different

458
00:24:28,064 --> 00:24:31,824
Speaker 1: in America and when they'd be legal fee, which in

459
00:24:31,944 --> 00:24:36,184
Speaker 1: terms of their fan base being me and you. That

460
00:24:36,304 --> 00:24:39,064
Speaker 1: wasn't a particularly vital piece of information for us. We

461
00:24:39,064 --> 00:24:41,464
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known what it meant. No, we were just like,

462
00:24:41,624 --> 00:24:44,464
Speaker 1: hands up, excuse me? Could I buy that hair tongue

463
00:24:44,464 --> 00:24:48,904
Speaker 1: it came out? And those shoes? Yeah? Are they Payless?

464
00:24:49,424 --> 00:24:52,664
Speaker 1: Because I would like those shoes, but mum will only

465
00:24:52,664 --> 00:24:58,544
Speaker 1: buy me things from Payless. Please Mary kay please. The

466
00:24:58,624 --> 00:25:01,544
Speaker 1: other thing that I kind of didn't realize is because

467
00:25:01,584 --> 00:25:04,184
Speaker 1: to me, I'm like New York twins. Don't see where

468
00:25:04,184 --> 00:25:07,664
Speaker 1: this equation goes wrong? Yeah? Yeah, to me, that's the perfect,

469
00:25:07,744 --> 00:25:11,944
Speaker 1: perfect equation. But they had stiff competition because this was

470
00:25:12,504 --> 00:25:17,584
Speaker 1: the era of icons like Mandy Moore, like Hillary not

471
00:25:17,624 --> 00:25:20,264
Speaker 1: a walk to really remember it was like Hillary Duff

472
00:25:20,304 --> 00:25:22,824
Speaker 1: like raise your voice. It was at the box office

473
00:25:22,864 --> 00:25:24,064
Speaker 1: the same time as Mean Girls.

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00:25:24,584 --> 00:25:24,904
Speaker 2: Oof.

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00:25:25,104 --> 00:25:28,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's some competition, and that the time that Mang

476
00:25:28,104 --> 00:25:29,784
Speaker 1: Girls came out. That day was the day you got

477
00:25:29,824 --> 00:25:32,784
Speaker 1: your period. Yeah yeah, yeah, so we would have been

478
00:25:33,144 --> 00:25:35,424
Speaker 1: fourteen years old. Yeah. I think it would have been

479
00:25:35,424 --> 00:25:37,264
Speaker 1: traumatic for them because they would have been mad at

480
00:25:37,304 --> 00:25:40,984
Speaker 1: Lindsey because they're like, you coz played as twins, you

481
00:25:41,224 --> 00:25:45,824
Speaker 1: stole our creative ip. Yeah, and now you're not even

482
00:25:45,864 --> 00:25:48,464
Speaker 1: a twin, and now you've got men girls. Oh my goodness.

483
00:25:48,504 --> 00:25:51,544
Speaker 1: Great point. We saw this movie and loved it, and

484
00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:55,104
Speaker 1: I don't think we registered the sexiness. No, it wasn't that.

485
00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:58,384
Speaker 1: We're just confused. But there's a scene where Ashley's character

486
00:25:58,504 --> 00:26:01,944
Speaker 1: Jane dreams she's giving a speech in the nude. There's

487
00:26:01,984 --> 00:26:06,024
Speaker 1: another scene where she encounters her sister's Boa constrictor in

488
00:26:06,104 --> 00:26:09,264
Speaker 1: the shower, which I think we would have been like, oh,

489
00:26:09,264 --> 00:26:14,024
Speaker 1: how scary is you know? Wait? Sorry, she encounters her

490
00:26:14,104 --> 00:26:17,304
Speaker 1: sister's snake in the shower. A bit of phallic imagery,

491
00:26:17,624 --> 00:26:21,184
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah, Jeff, Yeah, I think, but whose snake

492
00:26:21,264 --> 00:26:24,384
Speaker 1: is it? Meant to be Mary Kate? But then it's

493
00:26:24,384 --> 00:26:27,024
Speaker 1: not phallic because Mary Kate doesn't have a penis. Yeah,

494
00:26:27,024 --> 00:26:29,664
Speaker 1: but it's a woman in the shower with a snake.

495
00:26:31,384 --> 00:26:34,344
Speaker 1: She's it. No, I think we're just looking into it

496
00:26:34,384 --> 00:26:36,584
Speaker 1: too much. I think she was just a team girl

497
00:26:37,024 --> 00:26:40,944
Speaker 1: with a pet snake. There's another scene where they're wearing

498
00:26:41,024 --> 00:26:43,424
Speaker 1: a robe and a bath towel and a young male

499
00:26:43,544 --> 00:26:47,424
Speaker 1: character is like, is it my birthday? Oh? I forgot

500
00:26:47,504 --> 00:26:53,664
Speaker 1: about this thing of like the sexualization of twins. Yeah,

501
00:26:53,704 --> 00:26:56,104
Speaker 1: was like a real and it's like sometimes you want

502
00:26:56,144 --> 00:26:59,624
Speaker 1: to be like, can you articulate what the fantasy is?

503
00:26:59,664 --> 00:27:03,584
Speaker 1: And always like twins and you're like, but what's fantasy like?

504
00:27:04,424 --> 00:27:06,624
Speaker 1: And it's like, Okay, here's a thing. Yeah, you don't know.

505
00:27:08,664 --> 00:27:11,744
Speaker 1: You don't know, I don't know. You've been you've been

506
00:27:11,944 --> 00:27:15,544
Speaker 1: told something to do with twins is exciting, yeah, and

507
00:27:15,584 --> 00:27:17,864
Speaker 1: you've not thought it through. But you know that when

508
00:27:17,864 --> 00:27:21,504
Speaker 1: you see twins, you're meant to yell gutturally yeah. Yeah,

509
00:27:21,544 --> 00:27:23,304
Speaker 1: And that's what they tried to play on in New

510
00:27:23,384 --> 00:27:26,264
Speaker 1: York Minute. The Washington Post said the girls demand to

511
00:27:26,304 --> 00:27:29,984
Speaker 1: be accepted as both wholesome girls next door and lolita

512
00:27:30,184 --> 00:27:33,784
Speaker 1: like objects worthy of a thousand maximum covers. The effect

513
00:27:33,864 --> 00:27:37,344
Speaker 1: isn't just frenetic, unfunny and dull. It's kind of creepy.

514
00:27:37,944 --> 00:27:40,224
Speaker 1: I love how it says. It's like it's them. They

515
00:27:40,264 --> 00:27:42,144
Speaker 1: want to be considered like that, that's what you want

516
00:27:42,144 --> 00:27:45,544
Speaker 1: of women. They demand and it's like, h No, I

517
00:27:45,544 --> 00:27:47,104
Speaker 1: think they're just trying to like have a career, and

518
00:27:47,144 --> 00:27:49,544
Speaker 1: there's no way to have a career as a woman

519
00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:52,264
Speaker 1: and not be sexualized. So I think they're like getting

520
00:27:52,264 --> 00:27:56,384
Speaker 1: out of the game. I think they're getting, you know, advice.

521
00:27:56,904 --> 00:28:00,224
Speaker 1: Haters will also say that the movie proved they couldn't act.

522
00:28:01,064 --> 00:28:04,424
Speaker 1: Haters would say that I hate haters. Some of the

523
00:28:04,464 --> 00:28:08,904
Speaker 1: reviews say things like unoriginal, stereotypical, just playing horrible, one

524
00:28:08,944 --> 00:28:12,504
Speaker 1: of my most hated films. The thing is, I don't

525
00:28:12,504 --> 00:28:15,104
Speaker 1: think they ever claimed they could act. Like they got

526
00:28:15,144 --> 00:28:19,504
Speaker 1: their break at eight months old, nine months old, when

527
00:28:19,544 --> 00:28:24,504
Speaker 1: their job was to literally not currently be shitting yourself. Yeah. Oh,

528
00:28:24,544 --> 00:28:27,584
Speaker 1: I think they were probably sometimes sitting. Yeah, but like

529
00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:30,544
Speaker 1: the bar that they had to kind of, they never

530
00:28:30,584 --> 00:28:32,664
Speaker 1: claimed to be able to act, Like, I don't know

531
00:28:32,704 --> 00:28:35,704
Speaker 1: when in all of this, when in oh, I'm darting

532
00:28:35,704 --> 00:28:38,744
Speaker 1: off to Rome, Paris and Australia to make my movies. Sorry,

533
00:28:38,864 --> 00:28:41,104
Speaker 1: when are we doing our acting lessons? When are we

534
00:28:41,184 --> 00:28:43,744
Speaker 1: doing a bit of professional development? It can't be done.

535
00:28:44,064 --> 00:28:47,224
Speaker 1: They really learn on the job they did, and they

536
00:28:47,264 --> 00:28:50,824
Speaker 1: always just played themselves. Yeah, and that was okay because

537
00:28:50,824 --> 00:28:53,904
Speaker 1: we loved there. Yeah. Sometimes they were literally just Marry

538
00:28:53,984 --> 00:29:05,904
Speaker 1: Gate Nash, yeah, but with a different last name, Jesse.

539
00:29:06,464 --> 00:29:09,424
Speaker 1: A feud with Spencer Pratt in two thousand and seven.

540
00:29:09,504 --> 00:29:13,664
Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt claim to have made fifty thousand dollars by

541
00:29:13,704 --> 00:29:16,624
Speaker 1: selling a photograph of Mary Kate drinking at a party.

542
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:20,144
Speaker 1: This was important because when he sold it, she was

543
00:29:20,184 --> 00:29:24,824
Speaker 1: like seventeen, so she couldn't legally drink right In the photo,

544
00:29:24,944 --> 00:29:28,664
Speaker 1: she looked either drunk or startled by the camera flash.

545
00:29:28,704 --> 00:29:31,584
Speaker 1: You are probably familiar with the photo, but just look

546
00:29:31,744 --> 00:29:35,424
Speaker 1: to her left. I'm looking at nimmage. She does look

547
00:29:35,624 --> 00:29:38,424
Speaker 1: to be intoxicated, but like she could also be mid blink.

548
00:29:38,864 --> 00:29:42,344
Speaker 1: Beside her or draping his arm around her is Beencer Pratt.

549
00:29:42,384 --> 00:29:46,584
Speaker 1: I believe how did these two crosspaths? Claire Well apparently

550
00:29:46,744 --> 00:29:51,024
Speaker 1: school so they went to. It wasn't like a fancy

551
00:29:51,224 --> 00:29:53,704
Speaker 1: it was like a small private school. And it's a

552
00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:55,424
Speaker 1: bit unclear whether they went to the same school or

553
00:29:55,504 --> 00:29:58,224
Speaker 1: just knew each other through the schools that they went to.

554
00:29:58,984 --> 00:30:01,584
Speaker 1: So on an appearance on The Late Show with David Letterman,

555
00:30:01,864 --> 00:30:04,784
Speaker 1: Mary Kate responded to the photo and she said, he

556
00:30:04,944 --> 00:30:07,584
Speaker 1: used to play on the soccer team for my high

557
00:30:07,624 --> 00:30:11,144
Speaker 1: school and he does not have a good temper understay

558
00:30:11,464 --> 00:30:14,744
Speaker 1: the goodness tell me about it. She said his behavior

559
00:30:14,824 --> 00:30:18,344
Speaker 1: was a mystery to her. Almost immediately he responded in

560
00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:22,384
Speaker 1: an interview, calling her a troll and said she's had

561
00:30:22,424 --> 00:30:24,984
Speaker 1: to go through life as the less cute twin, which

562
00:30:25,104 --> 00:30:32,944
Speaker 1: must be tough. Spencer, Spencer practice good. You. No one

563
00:30:32,984 --> 00:30:36,904
Speaker 1: knows who you are, mate, it's just me. You haven't

564
00:30:36,944 --> 00:30:40,104
Speaker 1: even to Heidi when you later met her. And of

565
00:30:40,144 --> 00:30:43,984
Speaker 1: course Spencer Pratt famous from the Hills. Was he famous

566
00:30:43,984 --> 00:30:45,464
Speaker 1: on the Guna Beach? No, I don't think he was

567
00:30:45,544 --> 00:30:47,864
Speaker 1: in the Guna Beach. He was the Hills and he

568
00:30:47,944 --> 00:30:50,064
Speaker 1: got with Heidi and he was so critical of her

569
00:30:50,264 --> 00:30:53,144
Speaker 1: that she got a new face. And we don't address

570
00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:56,544
Speaker 1: that enough as a culture. But her mother cried about

571
00:30:56,584 --> 00:30:59,224
Speaker 1: it because she said, Spencer major to get a new

572
00:30:59,264 --> 00:31:03,344
Speaker 1: face and I liked your old face. And they're still together. Yeah,

573
00:31:03,904 --> 00:31:07,544
Speaker 1: and so he's still a troll. He's still the worst,

574
00:31:08,424 --> 00:31:11,544
Speaker 1: and he's really into crystals anyway. He has since said,

575
00:31:11,864 --> 00:31:14,664
Speaker 1: I apologize for getting caught up in trash talking, oh,

576
00:31:14,704 --> 00:31:17,384
Speaker 1: because you've never been caught up in that since. But

577
00:31:17,664 --> 00:31:20,784
Speaker 1: she brought up an emotional subject when she mentioned the

578
00:31:20,864 --> 00:31:25,744
Speaker 1: soccer stuff. She literally said, you played on a soccer team,

579
00:31:25,984 --> 00:31:30,064
Speaker 1: don't have a good temper, which is really black and white. True.

580
00:31:30,744 --> 00:31:33,784
Speaker 1: He then said, I respect Mary Kate as a businesswoman

581
00:31:34,344 --> 00:31:36,824
Speaker 1: and said he was secretly jealous of her, and I

582
00:31:36,904 --> 00:31:40,064
Speaker 1: want my face on a lunchbox too. I feel like

583
00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:42,784
Speaker 1: you're trying to have a Joe one wants. You will

584
00:31:42,864 --> 00:31:45,944
Speaker 1: never understand Spencer Pratt how much I wanted Mary Kate's

585
00:31:45,944 --> 00:31:49,904
Speaker 1: face on my lunchbox from the ages of eight yep

586
00:31:50,224 --> 00:31:53,224
Speaker 1: to fifteen. After that, I would have been ashamed, but

587
00:31:53,384 --> 00:31:56,024
Speaker 1: a lot of work jet setting around the world went

588
00:31:56,064 --> 00:31:59,344
Speaker 1: in to me wanting her face on my lunchbox. Mary

589
00:31:59,424 --> 00:32:02,944
Speaker 1: Kate Olsen struggles in two thousand and four, just after

590
00:32:02,984 --> 00:32:05,864
Speaker 1: graduating from high school and while on the promo trail

591
00:32:05,984 --> 00:32:09,304
Speaker 1: for New York Minute, Mary Kate Olsen enter treatment for

592
00:32:09,504 --> 00:32:13,024
Speaker 1: anorexi in a vote. She's never openly spoken about her

593
00:32:13,064 --> 00:32:16,264
Speaker 1: eating disorder, but her family announced that she was seeking

594
00:32:16,304 --> 00:32:19,504
Speaker 1: help for health related issues, and since there have been

595
00:32:19,544 --> 00:32:22,864
Speaker 1: all sorts of family sources that have come out and

596
00:32:22,944 --> 00:32:25,664
Speaker 1: said that it was an eating disorder. Because my memory

597
00:32:25,704 --> 00:32:28,584
Speaker 1: of it was the Hollywood Walk of Fame and I

598
00:32:28,664 --> 00:32:31,144
Speaker 1: have it imprinted in my memory of her wearing this

599
00:32:31,304 --> 00:32:34,224
Speaker 1: lilac kind of purply dress. She has dark hair. She's

600
00:32:34,264 --> 00:32:36,864
Speaker 1: with Ashley Olsen and she's crouching down and she's doing

601
00:32:36,864 --> 00:32:39,624
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Walk of Fame. She looked very different and

602
00:32:39,664 --> 00:32:41,664
Speaker 1: it was a different time because what was the social media,

603
00:32:41,744 --> 00:32:45,424
Speaker 1: but like there was commonary. Those photos were everywhere about

604
00:32:45,464 --> 00:32:48,184
Speaker 1: how she looked like she was suffering from an eating disorder.

605
00:32:48,224 --> 00:32:51,904
Speaker 1: And it was that point where a suspected eating disorder

606
00:32:51,944 --> 00:32:55,664
Speaker 1: was gossip. Yeah, so it was the magazine. Yes, everyone

607
00:32:55,784 --> 00:32:58,664
Speaker 1: was like, they're like feigning concern, but they're actually just

608
00:32:58,744 --> 00:33:01,624
Speaker 1: reproducing the photos over and over and over again. What

609
00:33:01,704 --> 00:33:06,024
Speaker 1: makes it particularly uncomfortable is that there was all sorts

610
00:33:06,064 --> 00:33:09,984
Speaker 1: of common tree about this at the time, and you

611
00:33:10,024 --> 00:33:13,824
Speaker 1: can imagine how hard it must have been to maintain

612
00:33:14,104 --> 00:33:17,744
Speaker 1: a brave face while she was clearly struggling. So on

613
00:33:17,864 --> 00:33:21,024
Speaker 1: the Oprah Winfrey Show in two thousand and four, remember this, Yeah,

614
00:33:21,144 --> 00:33:23,864
Speaker 1: Oprah said, during an interview with the Twins, I know

615
00:33:23,984 --> 00:33:27,864
Speaker 1: a new rumor that's recently surfaced that has really upset you, right,

616
00:33:28,344 --> 00:33:32,544
Speaker 1: you know, the one about eating. Ashley tried to deflect. Yeah,

617
00:33:32,664 --> 00:33:33,744
Speaker 1: you know, people are.

618
00:33:33,584 --> 00:33:36,024
Speaker 5: Going to write what they want to write. We try

619
00:33:36,104 --> 00:33:38,584
Speaker 5: not to read the good or the bad because it

620
00:33:38,704 --> 00:33:41,144
Speaker 5: just kind of comes with the territory. You know, either

621
00:33:41,704 --> 00:33:43,904
Speaker 5: you're too fat, you're too skinny, and people are just

622
00:33:43,944 --> 00:33:45,024
Speaker 5: gonna write what they.

623
00:33:45,304 --> 00:33:46,024
Speaker 3: What size are you?

624
00:33:46,104 --> 00:33:51,824
Speaker 1: By the way, size? Yeah, I was you're girls, you

625
00:33:51,864 --> 00:33:52,784
Speaker 1: know interesting?

626
00:33:53,024 --> 00:33:55,904
Speaker 4: That is so interesting. I'm like obsessed with size and

627
00:33:55,984 --> 00:33:57,944
Speaker 4: you're like, I really don't know.

628
00:33:59,064 --> 00:34:00,744
Speaker 1: That's not what they said far out. This is a

629
00:34:00,784 --> 00:34:03,664
Speaker 1: Petri dish of how fucked we all wanted at that time,

630
00:34:04,024 --> 00:34:06,584
Speaker 1: where everyone's weight was like a direct reflection. I was

631
00:34:06,624 --> 00:34:09,864
Speaker 1: probably still exactly like this. Yeah, Mary Kate said, if

632
00:34:09,864 --> 00:34:12,264
Speaker 1: we were with our size, it'd be I don't know,

633
00:34:12,784 --> 00:34:15,904
Speaker 1: a different story. So that was a really awkward clip

634
00:34:15,944 --> 00:34:19,384
Speaker 1: and it's resurfaced on TikTok and people are always saying

635
00:34:19,864 --> 00:34:21,744
Speaker 1: how times have changed, but I agree, I don't really

636
00:34:21,824 --> 00:34:24,504
Speaker 1: know if they have. I just definitely know that I

637
00:34:24,704 --> 00:34:26,824
Speaker 1: took the day off school that day to watch that

638
00:34:26,904 --> 00:34:29,504
Speaker 1: Oprah in Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because I liked watching Oprah.

639
00:34:29,624 --> 00:34:32,864
Speaker 1: I knew who was on because of the television guide obviously, yep. Yeah.

640
00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:34,704
Speaker 1: If I knew Mary Kate now she were on, I

641
00:34:34,744 --> 00:34:37,464
Speaker 1: would have been like, Mum, I got Tommy ache, I

642
00:34:37,504 --> 00:34:43,344
Speaker 1: gotta watch Ready's deady cook. Mary Kate was also rumored

643
00:34:43,504 --> 00:34:46,304
Speaker 1: to be dating Heath Ledger at the time of his death.

644
00:34:46,624 --> 00:34:48,784
Speaker 1: Other sources have said they were just very close friends

645
00:34:48,784 --> 00:34:51,824
Speaker 1: at the time, but we know that his massage therapist

646
00:34:51,864 --> 00:34:55,224
Speaker 1: who found him called her a number of times before

647
00:34:55,264 --> 00:34:59,264
Speaker 1: contacting the police, and Mary Kate Olsen sent a private

648
00:34:59,304 --> 00:35:04,224
Speaker 1: security guard to the seat. She apparently refused to be

649
00:35:04,304 --> 00:35:07,544
Speaker 1: interviewed by police, and there were claims she wouldn't speak

650
00:35:07,664 --> 00:35:12,264
Speaker 1: to federal investigators without a promise of legal immunity. Her

651
00:35:12,304 --> 00:35:15,464
Speaker 1: attorney said, we have provided the government with relevant information,

652
00:35:15,664 --> 00:35:19,064
Speaker 1: including facts in the chronology of events surrounding mister Ledger's

653
00:35:19,144 --> 00:35:21,904
Speaker 1: death and the fact that miss Olsen does not know

654
00:35:21,984 --> 00:35:26,504
Speaker 1: the source of the drugs mister Ledger consumed. So it's interested.

655
00:35:26,544 --> 00:35:29,104
Speaker 1: She's kind of tied up in that story and sometimes

656
00:35:29,144 --> 00:35:32,984
Speaker 1: you forget how Yeah, but no matter what happened around

657
00:35:33,024 --> 00:35:36,384
Speaker 1: those circumstances, that would have been really traumatic. Yeah, and

658
00:35:36,424 --> 00:35:40,344
Speaker 1: she was still pretty young, yeah, yeah, very young privacy.

659
00:35:40,944 --> 00:35:43,984
Speaker 1: Given all of that, it's probably unsurprising that both Mary

660
00:35:44,064 --> 00:35:47,344
Speaker 1: Kate Nashley are very private. They don't have social media,

661
00:35:47,384 --> 00:35:50,624
Speaker 1: and this year during their Fashion Labels show at Paris

662
00:35:50,624 --> 00:35:54,624
Speaker 1: Fashion Week, they emailed guests with a request. They said,

663
00:35:54,624 --> 00:35:57,704
Speaker 1: we kindly ask that you refrain from capturing or sharing

664
00:35:57,904 --> 00:36:02,704
Speaker 1: any content during your experience. In place of phones, guests

665
00:36:02,704 --> 00:36:06,624
Speaker 1: were given Japanese notepads and a pen to take handwritten notes.

666
00:36:06,784 --> 00:36:09,184
Speaker 1: Why Japanese, I don't know. I don't know why that

667
00:36:09,304 --> 00:36:14,104
Speaker 1: detail was included, but it was okay. Some people thought

668
00:36:14,144 --> 00:36:16,624
Speaker 1: it was great, whereas others, like The New York Times

669
00:36:16,744 --> 00:36:20,624
Speaker 1: chief fashion critic Vanessa Friedman, wrote on Twitter, I don't

670
00:36:20,664 --> 00:36:23,464
Speaker 1: feel that taking some pictures interferes with my ability to

671
00:36:23,504 --> 00:36:25,864
Speaker 1: fully consider what I'm seeing. And I think I'm grown

672
00:36:25,984 --> 00:36:28,984
Speaker 1: up enough to decide that for myself. I don't think

673
00:36:28,984 --> 00:36:31,264
Speaker 1: any of us are grown up to decide for ourselves

674
00:36:31,344 --> 00:36:34,664
Speaker 1: how we use our phones. Okay, my society is on

675
00:36:34,784 --> 00:36:39,024
Speaker 1: the dcline. We need to tell us always to put

676
00:36:39,064 --> 00:36:41,104
Speaker 1: our phones away. We need a ban. We need a

677
00:36:41,144 --> 00:36:42,984
Speaker 1: ban on all of us all of the time. I

678
00:36:43,064 --> 00:36:46,304
Speaker 1: will say, isn't the thing about the fashion week? You'd

679
00:36:46,344 --> 00:36:49,584
Speaker 1: take the photos of the clothes and put them on Getty. Yeah,

680
00:36:49,624 --> 00:36:51,664
Speaker 1: and then everyone sees the clothes, and then it's kind

681
00:36:51,704 --> 00:36:54,064
Speaker 1: of like an advertiser. And I think that there were photos,

682
00:36:54,144 --> 00:36:57,544
Speaker 1: just not phones. Oh, okay, we'll just get profets. It's

683
00:36:57,664 --> 00:37:00,584
Speaker 1: very it's our wedding. Don't take a picture of me

684
00:37:00,664 --> 00:37:04,064
Speaker 1: walking down the aisle looking like a hunchback, Yeah, looking ugly,

685
00:37:04,104 --> 00:37:06,184
Speaker 1: and then post it to your two hundred friends before

686
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:10,184
Speaker 1: I've told anyone. Yeah, and some people found it elitist,

687
00:37:10,424 --> 00:37:13,744
Speaker 1: an exclusive, and a bit snobbish. You're a fashion week

688
00:37:13,864 --> 00:37:16,704
Speaker 1: all of those I know. That's exactly what I think.

689
00:37:16,864 --> 00:37:22,664
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, look around. This is elitist of elite,

690
00:37:23,264 --> 00:37:29,904
Speaker 1: not the people's people. No One. Fashion archivist Kim Russell said,

691
00:37:30,144 --> 00:37:33,304
Speaker 1: I don't have a The Road that's their brand store

692
00:37:33,384 --> 00:37:35,944
Speaker 1: anywhere near me. There's no way I could experience whatever

693
00:37:35,984 --> 00:37:38,544
Speaker 1: it is they do in person. I'd only get that

694
00:37:38,864 --> 00:37:41,304
Speaker 1: through the internet. They know this. It's a move to

695
00:37:41,384 --> 00:37:44,744
Speaker 1: craft a certain demographic and keep it that way. But

696
00:37:44,824 --> 00:37:48,704
Speaker 1: the exclusiveness is surely the point. That's like such a

697
00:37:48,824 --> 00:37:51,304
Speaker 1: vibe to be like no phones and you're like, oh

698
00:37:51,384 --> 00:37:54,424
Speaker 1: my god, what is happening when they are no phones?

699
00:37:55,104 --> 00:38:00,024
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine. They're in a ridiculously unique position where

700
00:38:00,024 --> 00:38:04,264
Speaker 1: they actually don't need social media to sell their clothes, Like,

701
00:38:04,424 --> 00:38:08,984
Speaker 1: isn't that absurd? Confused about how they sell their clothes

702
00:38:08,984 --> 00:38:11,984
Speaker 1: and how everyone knows about the Row? Yeah, I don't

703
00:38:12,024 --> 00:38:15,664
Speaker 1: know how. No, the Row has an Instagram account with

704
00:38:15,704 --> 00:38:19,664
Speaker 1: two point five million followers, but it doesn't really promote

705
00:38:19,704 --> 00:38:22,824
Speaker 1: the clothes. It's just like random stuff I just need

706
00:38:22,864 --> 00:38:25,504
Speaker 1: to see immediately, how much like if I just go

707
00:38:25,544 --> 00:38:27,984
Speaker 1: on to the row. Yeah, you need to get a sense.

708
00:38:28,264 --> 00:38:30,624
Speaker 1: Yeah you need a coat. Yeah, get you in the

709
00:38:31,224 --> 00:38:33,064
Speaker 1: market for a cod Yeah, give me a coat. Okay,

710
00:38:33,144 --> 00:38:36,984
Speaker 1: three thousand, six hundred and fifty US dollars. So that's

711
00:38:37,144 --> 00:38:40,384
Speaker 1: just a cheeky I would say seven thousand Aussie. But

712
00:38:40,464 --> 00:38:42,904
Speaker 1: you don't need a coat because it's summer. So let's

713
00:38:42,944 --> 00:38:46,424
Speaker 1: just go. I think that is a T shirt. Yeah, again,

714
00:38:46,464 --> 00:38:48,144
Speaker 1: they don't do sales. Okay, here we go. Here's a

715
00:38:48,144 --> 00:38:52,144
Speaker 1: great T shirt storn in ston in just plain gray,

716
00:38:52,744 --> 00:38:56,704
Speaker 1: no writing, nothing, nothing. The cut doesn't look particularly creative.

717
00:38:56,984 --> 00:39:01,064
Speaker 1: Do you have three thousand dollars? Okay? How can the

718
00:39:01,144 --> 00:39:03,624
Speaker 1: coke be three thousand dollars? Because what I've done is

719
00:39:03,624 --> 00:39:05,704
Speaker 1: I put it in assie dollars for you. Okay, so

720
00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:08,504
Speaker 1: this is one thousand, seven hundred and fifty usd bugain,

721
00:39:08,904 --> 00:39:11,064
Speaker 1: but yeah, we are going to double it. Oh they

722
00:39:11,104 --> 00:39:13,744
Speaker 1: have a lovely loafer. Oh my goodness, we can't. I

723
00:39:13,744 --> 00:39:16,504
Speaker 1: wonder if they've got a return policy. This is fascinating.

724
00:39:16,624 --> 00:39:20,624
Speaker 1: Do you think that when you pay that much for clothes,

725
00:39:21,344 --> 00:39:24,024
Speaker 1: are they actually better quality? Like when I inevitably shove

726
00:39:24,064 --> 00:39:27,064
Speaker 1: it through my shitty washing machine with my shitty washing powder,

727
00:39:27,344 --> 00:39:29,704
Speaker 1: is it gonna get ruined like everything else? Yeah? Absolutely?

728
00:39:29,784 --> 00:39:33,984
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Look at this, Timothy shaalomey shoe. I

729
00:39:33,984 --> 00:39:35,664
Speaker 1: can't stop looking at this, you know how VeryE says

730
00:39:35,664 --> 00:39:38,544
Speaker 1: Timothy Shalame looks like a medieval shoe. It looks specifically

731
00:39:38,584 --> 00:39:43,984
Speaker 1: like this shoe. Yeah, ah, this is amazing. Like, don't

732
00:39:44,024 --> 00:39:45,704
Speaker 1: you worry if I bought any of these there would

733
00:39:45,704 --> 00:39:48,664
Speaker 1: be holes in it? Yeah? In Mary very quickly. In

734
00:39:48,704 --> 00:39:51,824
Speaker 1: a twenty eleven interview about The Row, when asked about

735
00:39:51,824 --> 00:39:54,744
Speaker 1: why they didn't have social media, Mary Kate said, we

736
00:39:54,864 --> 00:39:57,184
Speaker 1: spent our whole lives trying to not let people have

737
00:39:57,264 --> 00:40:00,384
Speaker 1: that accessibility, so it would go against everything we've done

738
00:40:00,584 --> 00:40:04,504
Speaker 1: in our lives. Elizabeth Olsen also doesn't have Instagram. I

739
00:40:04,584 --> 00:40:06,864
Speaker 1: wonder if they're clothes. Yeah, no, I think that they

740
00:40:06,864 --> 00:40:10,184
Speaker 1: would be, okay, Yeah, And I genuinely think it would

741
00:40:10,224 --> 00:40:13,184
Speaker 1: be very liberating to not have social media. And I

742
00:40:13,184 --> 00:40:15,584
Speaker 1: think it's the heish of cool. I think the coolest

743
00:40:15,584 --> 00:40:19,624
Speaker 1: people in the world don't have it's just Famus Jesse fighting.

744
00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:26,144
Speaker 1: Apparently the Olsen twins fight, and what dad could they

745
00:40:26,144 --> 00:40:30,064
Speaker 1: fight about? What on earth? It's not like twins unknown

746
00:40:30,104 --> 00:40:34,504
Speaker 1: to fight. In two thousand and eight, reports came out

747
00:40:34,504 --> 00:40:37,584
Speaker 1: that the twins were feuding. This is the thing. I

748
00:40:37,624 --> 00:40:39,504
Speaker 1: see reports come out about twins feuding, and I'm like,

749
00:40:39,504 --> 00:40:43,544
Speaker 1: twins are always feuding, just one constant feud. Yeah, it's

750
00:40:43,544 --> 00:40:45,704
Speaker 1: like they've been fighting. They're in the womb. Even the

751
00:40:45,784 --> 00:40:47,624
Speaker 1: Veronicas they were like, you know, they're feuding. It's like

752
00:40:47,664 --> 00:40:49,544
Speaker 1: really serious. I'm like, yeah, we're in the middle of

753
00:40:49,584 --> 00:40:52,424
Speaker 1: a really serious thing too. We're not gossiping. Yeah, And

754
00:40:52,464 --> 00:40:54,704
Speaker 1: they're like they're not speaking, and it's like, well, no,

755
00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:58,024
Speaker 1: they're not speaking on one medium, and then but they

756
00:40:58,064 --> 00:41:00,544
Speaker 1: are gossiping on another one the other one. They will

757
00:41:00,584 --> 00:41:04,584
Speaker 1: be fine, don't be fine. They'll be fighting from the

758
00:41:04,624 --> 00:41:07,464
Speaker 1: moment that they shared a womb to the moment they

759
00:41:07,504 --> 00:41:11,104
Speaker 1: are on their shared death. But they will also love

760
00:41:11,144 --> 00:41:15,384
Speaker 1: each other unconditionally. A family insider said, Mary Kate and

761
00:41:15,424 --> 00:41:18,544
Speaker 1: Ashley wrestle for control, and even though they love each other,

762
00:41:19,064 --> 00:41:21,824
Speaker 1: money causes them to argue. I feel like we could

763
00:41:21,904 --> 00:41:25,264
Speaker 1: argue about money more. Yeah. Question, if Mary Kate is younger,

764
00:41:25,304 --> 00:41:27,744
Speaker 1: why are we going mary Kate and Ashley. I don't know.

765
00:41:28,144 --> 00:41:30,064
Speaker 1: I've actually thought about this a lot. I think because

766
00:41:30,064 --> 00:41:33,424
Speaker 1: she's more of the actor, so I think in credits

767
00:41:33,584 --> 00:41:35,624
Speaker 1: so I looked at like, even for their movies and stuff,

768
00:41:35,624 --> 00:41:37,664
Speaker 1: it was always Mary Kate first, and I think it's

769
00:41:37,704 --> 00:41:40,344
Speaker 1: because she did more acting wise, got it, got it,

770
00:41:40,424 --> 00:41:43,664
Speaker 1: she carried the load. So apparently Mary Kate felt as

771
00:41:43,704 --> 00:41:49,504
Speaker 1: though Ashley manipulated her into bad business decisions, which is

772
00:41:49,624 --> 00:41:52,344
Speaker 1: so something we would do. Yeah, it's such a tweed booth.

773
00:41:52,504 --> 00:41:55,664
Speaker 1: For example, they cut their parents out of their production company,

774
00:41:56,104 --> 00:41:58,704
Speaker 1: and Mary Kate was mad with her family after they

775
00:41:58,744 --> 00:42:01,184
Speaker 1: put her into rehab, and so she cut them out

776
00:42:01,184 --> 00:42:04,024
Speaker 1: of the business. But a source said that she now

777
00:42:04,104 --> 00:42:07,384
Speaker 1: regrets her decision, and on the other hand, Ashley thinks

778
00:42:07,384 --> 00:42:10,624
Speaker 1: it was the right move. That's what Mary Kate actually

779
00:42:11,264 --> 00:42:13,824
Speaker 1: mainly fight about. That is like the truest thing that

780
00:42:13,864 --> 00:42:16,304
Speaker 1: it's like, if you actually drill down into what you're

781
00:42:16,304 --> 00:42:19,024
Speaker 1: fighting about, it's like you did this thing and it's like, no,

782
00:42:19,104 --> 00:42:20,304
Speaker 1: you did that, And I was like, well, I don't

783
00:42:20,344 --> 00:42:24,184
Speaker 1: think I should have done that. Why didn't you stop me?

784
00:42:24,384 --> 00:42:25,944
Speaker 1: There's like, no, I think you made the right choice.

785
00:42:25,944 --> 00:42:28,664
Speaker 1: Well you're wrong, Yeah, yeah it is. And it's always

786
00:42:28,664 --> 00:42:31,784
Speaker 1: one fight. Yeah, it's just he's having the same fight

787
00:42:31,864 --> 00:42:34,464
Speaker 1: on loop on loop on loop, and then it's like beat,

788
00:42:34,464 --> 00:42:37,144
Speaker 1: beat beat, you're a selfish piece, Like there's something that

789
00:42:37,184 --> 00:42:39,384
Speaker 1: comes down to, like how you're fundamentally flawed as a hue.

790
00:42:39,544 --> 00:42:39,744
Speaker 4: Yes.

791
00:42:40,464 --> 00:42:43,024
Speaker 1: There were also fights over whether to sell their New

792
00:42:43,104 --> 00:42:46,704
Speaker 1: York City condo. Ashley wanted to sell. They argued over

793
00:42:46,744 --> 00:42:49,544
Speaker 1: it extensively, and then when Mary Kate finally gave in

794
00:42:49,584 --> 00:42:51,624
Speaker 1: and agreed to put it up for sale, they argued

795
00:42:51,664 --> 00:42:56,984
Speaker 1: over the price. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, always we had this issue.

796
00:42:57,024 --> 00:43:00,024
Speaker 1: We were renting. I then moved in COVID, I moved

797
00:43:00,024 --> 00:43:03,664
Speaker 1: in with my partner, and you're like, that's annoying. That's

798
00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:05,984
Speaker 1: annoying because now me and Rory have to find a

799
00:43:05,984 --> 00:43:07,784
Speaker 1: place and it's going to be more expensive for us.

800
00:43:07,864 --> 00:43:10,024
Speaker 1: Exactly right. I also think about the fact that when

801
00:43:10,024 --> 00:43:12,184
Speaker 1: we were moving out of that place, you shirked a

802
00:43:12,184 --> 00:43:14,584
Speaker 1: bit of responsibility. You were absolutely you were like I

803
00:43:14,624 --> 00:43:16,704
Speaker 1: knew I could get away with You're like, I've moved out,

804
00:43:16,744 --> 00:43:18,264
Speaker 1: and we're like, we haven't done an end of lease

805
00:43:18,344 --> 00:43:23,104
Speaker 1: clean like half your ship still here. Like I remember

806
00:43:23,544 --> 00:43:26,624
Speaker 1: like last like just before the end of lease cleanness came.

807
00:43:26,904 --> 00:43:28,984
Speaker 1: I was doing kind of a last look and I

808
00:43:29,024 --> 00:43:33,504
Speaker 1: opened the microwave and you had left like pasta in

809
00:43:33,544 --> 00:43:39,784
Speaker 1: the microwave like months, and it was, so, why didn't

810
00:43:39,824 --> 00:43:42,544
Speaker 1: you opened the microwave. I just hadn't used it. I

811
00:43:42,544 --> 00:43:47,544
Speaker 1: didn't use the microwave in six months. That is on you.

812
00:43:48,944 --> 00:43:53,264
Speaker 1: He's just one. I've picked up the bowl and I

813
00:43:53,344 --> 00:43:59,264
Speaker 1: put it in. Done. We are done here, A representative said.

814
00:43:59,264 --> 00:44:01,184
Speaker 1: At the time we were famous, you'd have called the

815
00:44:01,224 --> 00:44:04,144
Speaker 1: New York Post. Yeah, yes, I'd be the sort of

816
00:44:04,224 --> 00:44:07,624
Speaker 1: comment about the way that it's it's like a hoarder

817
00:44:07,704 --> 00:44:11,464
Speaker 1: was living. You would dob you were dob. If we

818
00:44:11,464 --> 00:44:14,504
Speaker 1: were famous, I would be dobbing using the paparazzi all

819
00:44:14,744 --> 00:44:17,704
Speaker 1: I reckon. Mom would do some leacoln Yeah, I feel

820
00:44:17,704 --> 00:44:19,464
Speaker 1: like you want some gossip. I speak to them for

821
00:44:19,504 --> 00:44:24,304
Speaker 1: five hours an hour every day of both sides, and yeah,

822
00:44:24,464 --> 00:44:27,984
Speaker 1: I have an opinion. Jess A representative said at the time,

823
00:44:28,104 --> 00:44:30,984
Speaker 1: they do have different ideas, but work things out as

824
00:44:31,064 --> 00:44:35,304
Speaker 1: business partners and sisters. That is boring, and I think

825
00:44:35,624 --> 00:44:39,864
Speaker 1: we have a unique insight into what they'd actually fight about. Okay,

826
00:44:39,904 --> 00:44:41,784
Speaker 1: so here are some ideas what I think they fight

827
00:44:41,824 --> 00:44:47,064
Speaker 1: about close New York Minute, New York Minute, News Voulda Watts. Yeah,

828
00:44:47,224 --> 00:44:50,504
Speaker 1: I think mostly New York Minute. And I think it's like,

829
00:44:50,744 --> 00:44:53,744
Speaker 1: you were shit. You made us do it. Yeah, you

830
00:44:53,824 --> 00:44:57,024
Speaker 1: weren't funny. Why didn't you say it was shit at

831
00:44:57,024 --> 00:45:00,664
Speaker 1: the time? Well, I knew was shit. Why did you

832
00:45:00,704 --> 00:45:02,544
Speaker 1: say it was shit? If I knew you knew it

833
00:45:02,544 --> 00:45:04,264
Speaker 1: was shit, then both of us knew it was shit,

834
00:45:04,304 --> 00:45:06,344
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have done it. Well, Eugene was in it.

835
00:45:07,184 --> 00:45:08,944
Speaker 1: I thought the fact that Eugene was in it meant

836
00:45:08,984 --> 00:45:09,304
Speaker 1: it was good.

837
00:45:09,384 --> 00:45:09,584
Speaker 4: Yeah.

838
00:45:09,584 --> 00:45:11,064
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to upset because you know, you

839
00:45:11,064 --> 00:45:13,624
Speaker 1: can be very sensitive. Yeah, when I say our shared

840
00:45:13,664 --> 00:45:16,664
Speaker 1: projects are shit, yeah, well you just know they'd be

841
00:45:16,704 --> 00:45:19,184
Speaker 1: messaging at three am and one would be like, ugh,

842
00:45:19,504 --> 00:45:23,224
Speaker 1: remember you play it? Who remember that? I reckon that.

843
00:45:23,264 --> 00:45:26,384
Speaker 1: Every six months too, someone goes to make another movie

844
00:45:26,464 --> 00:45:28,344
Speaker 1: and the other one has to talk them down. Yeah,

845
00:45:28,384 --> 00:45:31,424
Speaker 1: but they've definitely considered it. Yeah, Like so Little Time

846
00:45:31,824 --> 00:45:35,064
Speaker 1: Part two, Like yeah, yeah, there's places that haven't been

847
00:45:35,744 --> 00:45:38,784
Speaker 1: like I reckon, they could do like Tokyo, like New

848
00:45:38,824 --> 00:45:42,024
Speaker 1: York Minute, but like Bora Bora, Yeah, or like Thailand

849
00:45:42,064 --> 00:45:45,704
Speaker 1: like Peepee Island for example. Great, it's really not them.

850
00:45:46,104 --> 00:45:48,424
Speaker 1: You know how? You have this thing We've talked about

851
00:45:48,464 --> 00:45:51,184
Speaker 1: it on the podcast before, where you find a celebrity

852
00:45:51,184 --> 00:45:53,104
Speaker 1: and decide whether or not they'd travel to Cooda. Yeah,

853
00:45:53,184 --> 00:45:57,544
Speaker 1: Carl Sandalans, Yes, you recently talked to Missy Higgins. Or

854
00:45:57,584 --> 00:45:59,464
Speaker 1: she wouldn't like Cooter. No, No, I don't think she's

855
00:45:59,464 --> 00:46:01,384
Speaker 1: a Cooter type. That's just the way it is, Mary

856
00:46:01,424 --> 00:46:05,384
Speaker 1: Kay Ashley. They would loathe Coudah. They wouldn't. They wouldn't

857
00:46:05,464 --> 00:46:08,744
Speaker 1: step off the foot they I mean, I don't even

858
00:46:08,744 --> 00:46:11,584
Speaker 1: think that Barley's in that. I guess maybe Luatu, but

859
00:46:12,024 --> 00:46:15,784
Speaker 1: not even semi Ac. No, not Cooda. They'd say these

860
00:46:15,864 --> 00:46:21,584
Speaker 1: clothes are to the elements, will ruin This gray T

861
00:46:21,704 --> 00:46:25,504
Speaker 1: shirt worth more than most people's rent. Yeah, Jesse, it's

862
00:46:25,544 --> 00:46:34,344
Speaker 1: time for charges and sentences, my charge. Unsurprisingly New York Minute.

863
00:46:34,784 --> 00:46:38,104
Speaker 1: We should watch that again. No, we actually really should. Well,

864
00:46:38,584 --> 00:46:40,624
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of it in prep. We should

865
00:46:40,624 --> 00:46:43,304
Speaker 1: remake up, but with asked, Okay, So the thing about

866
00:46:43,304 --> 00:46:46,904
Speaker 1: New York minute is that, so Mary kay, where's going

867
00:46:47,264 --> 00:46:51,824
Speaker 1: Okay because I did I know? Because they feel rushed? Okay. Yeah.

868
00:46:51,944 --> 00:46:54,864
Speaker 1: So they live up state, No, they live in Long Island,

869
00:46:55,384 --> 00:46:57,904
Speaker 1: and they both have different reasons why they want to

870
00:46:57,944 --> 00:47:02,024
Speaker 1: go to New York for the day. For Ashley's character Jane,

871
00:47:02,504 --> 00:47:06,584
Speaker 1: it's something to do with Columbia University. For Mary Kate's

872
00:47:06,664 --> 00:47:13,104
Speaker 1: character Roxy, it's something to do with simple plan, the

873
00:47:13,184 --> 00:47:17,744
Speaker 1: actual bad, the actual bound to which I don't know

874
00:47:17,784 --> 00:47:20,424
Speaker 1: that got criticized. They're like coming over from like the

875
00:47:20,464 --> 00:47:24,264
Speaker 1: seventh first band of the time. I'd say they were third.

876
00:47:24,864 --> 00:47:29,224
Speaker 1: They were, Yeah, I saw Green Day supported by a

877
00:47:29,264 --> 00:47:29,824
Speaker 1: simple plan.

878
00:47:29,984 --> 00:47:30,224
Speaker 4: Wow.

879
00:47:30,504 --> 00:47:33,904
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they go to New York and they've got

880
00:47:33,944 --> 00:47:36,824
Speaker 1: like these kind of goals they want to achieve while

881
00:47:36,824 --> 00:47:39,424
Speaker 1: they're there. Yeah, and it's always like, oh, they have

882
00:47:39,464 --> 00:47:41,424
Speaker 1: to sub in for each other, pretend to be the

883
00:47:41,464 --> 00:47:46,544
Speaker 1: other one, Yadi yadi, right. And Roxy is being chased

884
00:47:46,544 --> 00:47:51,224
Speaker 1: by Eugene Levy, who is a detective. Right, don't you

885
00:47:51,264 --> 00:47:53,224
Speaker 1: reckon want to put a pin? You know how? Like

886
00:47:53,424 --> 00:47:56,864
Speaker 1: there are certain tropes in dramas, so it's like, for example,

887
00:47:56,984 --> 00:47:59,184
Speaker 1: no more, Mum and Dad were killed the Carracks. Let's

888
00:47:59,184 --> 00:48:01,584
Speaker 1: just put a line under that, no more twins swapping.

889
00:48:02,144 --> 00:48:04,024
Speaker 1: I think I think we've done. I think, but then

890
00:48:04,024 --> 00:48:06,464
Speaker 1: where's the fun. I think there are more to twins,

891
00:48:06,784 --> 00:48:09,784
Speaker 1: and I think that we're being stigmatized and pigeonholed by

892
00:48:09,784 --> 00:48:12,664
Speaker 1: being given one storyline. And it's always about being it's

893
00:48:12,984 --> 00:48:16,264
Speaker 1: always about doing a swap seas there are other tricks

894
00:48:16,264 --> 00:48:20,544
Speaker 1: we can make and it's not always just swapping. Okay, well, yeah,

895
00:48:20,704 --> 00:48:23,264
Speaker 1: my charge is New York Minute, which I watched a

896
00:48:23,304 --> 00:48:26,744
Speaker 1: lot of clips of my sentence. I want to READO

897
00:48:27,704 --> 00:48:30,584
Speaker 1: of New York minut. Yes, okay, And I think that

898
00:48:30,704 --> 00:48:32,504
Speaker 1: the way they can make it worth their while because

899
00:48:32,544 --> 00:48:35,344
Speaker 1: I get it from their perspective, they're getting nothing out

900
00:48:35,384 --> 00:48:37,584
Speaker 1: of it. I think they were burnt out. Yeah they

901
00:48:37,624 --> 00:48:41,304
Speaker 1: made it. Yeah, No, definitely. I think that it should

902
00:48:41,424 --> 00:48:45,104
Speaker 1: just be like one big ad for the Row. So

903
00:48:45,424 --> 00:48:48,904
Speaker 1: in the original movie, a big thing was their fashion.

904
00:48:49,264 --> 00:48:54,784
Speaker 1: So Jane Ashley was very like prim and proper, pink suits,

905
00:48:54,944 --> 00:48:59,224
Speaker 1: high heels, yep. Mary Kate Roxy was skater girl. She

906
00:48:59,304 --> 00:49:02,104
Speaker 1: gives a speech pretending to be Jane, and she quotes

907
00:49:02,144 --> 00:49:06,664
Speaker 1: Avri Levine's love It's complicated Love complicated whatever that song

908
00:49:06,784 --> 00:49:11,144
Speaker 1: is anyway, So I think it's another fashion moment for

909
00:49:11,184 --> 00:49:14,584
Speaker 1: the girls. But it's the Rowe but more evolved, and

910
00:49:14,624 --> 00:49:19,224
Speaker 1: it's just basic and they're wearing like medieval shoes, running

911
00:49:19,304 --> 00:49:21,864
Speaker 1: running through New York and their medieval Yeah. And the

912
00:49:21,904 --> 00:49:25,104
Speaker 1: lovely thing is, I don't think Eugene's gonna come back.

913
00:49:27,304 --> 00:49:30,464
Speaker 1: I have done. I've moved on to bigger remember, yes, yeah,

914
00:49:30,504 --> 00:49:34,464
Speaker 1: but you know who will. They's sister Elizabeth. They're gonna

915
00:49:34,504 --> 00:49:37,624
Speaker 1: guilt her because she's really high. They respected. Yeah, And

916
00:49:37,704 --> 00:49:40,624
Speaker 1: I reckon their brother's free trail Yeah yeah, yeah, whatever

917
00:49:40,664 --> 00:49:42,704
Speaker 1: his name, So I reckon. They've got plenty of people

918
00:49:42,744 --> 00:49:48,504
Speaker 1: to make Yeah, New York minute two love love Okay,

919
00:49:48,584 --> 00:49:52,784
Speaker 1: And I just think you need to correct the damage.

920
00:49:52,984 --> 00:49:56,264
Speaker 1: This is linked. So your common about fashion is linked

921
00:49:56,304 --> 00:49:59,904
Speaker 1: to my charge, which is that the Olsome Twins are

922
00:49:59,984 --> 00:50:03,984
Speaker 1: charge I am giving them is that they made us

923
00:50:04,024 --> 00:50:07,464
Speaker 1: all believe that Bojo she worked on all of us,

924
00:50:08,024 --> 00:50:11,104
Speaker 1: and Boho Sheik works on none of us. No, none,

925
00:50:11,384 --> 00:50:14,464
Speaker 1: no no, and bo Cheek was actually like a little

926
00:50:14,464 --> 00:50:16,784
Speaker 1: bit I don't know. They were very like smoking. They

927
00:50:16,784 --> 00:50:19,344
Speaker 1: were like smoking. It was like oversized and like long

928
00:50:19,704 --> 00:50:21,944
Speaker 1: skirts and everything, and they always looked like a very

929
00:50:22,144 --> 00:50:25,664
Speaker 1: cheap but very boho and it's like, now I know

930
00:50:25,824 --> 00:50:28,464
Speaker 1: that that outfit costs you ten thousand dollars, so that's

931
00:50:28,504 --> 00:50:31,144
Speaker 1: why I look poor. Yes, I'm trying to look like

932
00:50:31,224 --> 00:50:36,544
Speaker 1: you and this is all genuinely thrifted. Yeah, and it

933
00:50:36,624 --> 00:50:40,864
Speaker 1: smells like someone else's be okay, because I was trying

934
00:50:40,904 --> 00:50:43,464
Speaker 1: to be you, and it's like they you look at

935
00:50:43,464 --> 00:50:47,264
Speaker 1: them and think that it's this really like undone messy look. No,

936
00:50:47,624 --> 00:50:49,624
Speaker 1: and like you have a dry cleaner, that's why you

937
00:50:49,664 --> 00:50:52,104
Speaker 1: look better. And all of my clothes have literal holes

938
00:50:52,144 --> 00:50:57,544
Speaker 1: in it. My sentence is I would like to be

939
00:50:57,664 --> 00:51:01,064
Speaker 1: mentored by the Olsen Twins personally about what like a

940
00:51:01,144 --> 00:51:04,384
Speaker 1: twin mentor program. But it's just us in the Olsen Twins.

941
00:51:04,424 --> 00:51:08,144
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's actually so true about like business,

942
00:51:08,544 --> 00:51:12,544
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe just about like okay, okay, you

943
00:51:12,584 --> 00:51:14,584
Speaker 1: know how there's all those like workshops that are like

944
00:51:14,664 --> 00:51:17,944
Speaker 1: manifestation all of that. Yeah, it's like living your best

945
00:51:17,944 --> 00:51:21,544
Speaker 1: twin life, winning your best twin life. Yeah, but it's

946
00:51:21,584 --> 00:51:23,864
Speaker 1: just us. I just feel like there needs to be

947
00:51:24,304 --> 00:51:28,064
Speaker 1: more of a twins yeah, because we obviously spoke at

948
00:51:28,104 --> 00:51:31,824
Speaker 1: twins first. You'd know that listener. It's like a friends

949
00:51:31,864 --> 00:51:33,584
Speaker 1: pass out about it all the time. Yeah, but I

950
00:51:33,664 --> 00:51:36,984
Speaker 1: say it's creepy, but you know, we really enjoyed it anyway. Yeah,

951
00:51:37,024 --> 00:51:39,984
Speaker 1: we networked with some twins. Yeah, and we don't have

952
00:51:40,104 --> 00:51:44,504
Speaker 1: enough of a twin community. And twins are a bit weird. Yeah,

953
00:51:44,624 --> 00:51:47,584
Speaker 1: and the Awesome Twins are just very twinny, and just

954
00:51:47,664 --> 00:51:50,944
Speaker 1: given how twin nish their lives have been, I think

955
00:51:50,944 --> 00:51:53,504
Speaker 1: they should be advocates for the community. Exactly right. I

956
00:51:53,504 --> 00:51:55,544
Speaker 1: would really like that. I would like to be mentored

957
00:51:55,544 --> 00:51:58,384
Speaker 1: by the Awesome Twins. I'll put that out to the universe. Yeah, Jesse,

958
00:51:58,504 --> 00:52:00,184
Speaker 1: do you have a lazy girl story? I do? Before

959
00:52:00,184 --> 00:52:02,024
Speaker 1: we go, I do have a lazy girl story. This

960
00:52:02,064 --> 00:52:04,264
Speaker 1: is unlike any other lazy girl story I've ever had.

961
00:52:04,344 --> 00:52:08,424
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is from Sarah. And Sarah is an Olympian. Okay.

962
00:52:09,024 --> 00:52:11,744
Speaker 1: And Sarah reached out to us, and she doesn't sound

963
00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:15,544
Speaker 1: very lazy. I know. She said, I am a two

964
00:52:15,784 --> 00:52:19,904
Speaker 1: time Olympian and I identify as a lazy girl. Wow.

965
00:52:19,944 --> 00:52:23,024
Speaker 1: And I basically replied to her, you can go fuck off. Okay, Yeah,

966
00:52:23,184 --> 00:52:26,744
Speaker 1: you obviously do not understand the definition. She said that

967
00:52:26,784 --> 00:52:29,544
Speaker 1: she had to train three times a day, six days

968
00:52:29,584 --> 00:52:32,144
Speaker 1: a week, fifty weeks of the year. Oh my god,

969
00:52:32,744 --> 00:52:35,944
Speaker 1: for well over a decade. This was in rowing, right. Oh,

970
00:52:35,944 --> 00:52:38,624
Speaker 1: but she said that's a legit sport too. It's legit,

971
00:52:38,784 --> 00:52:41,744
Speaker 1: and I think it's no offense, ray gun. But but

972
00:52:41,824 --> 00:52:44,664
Speaker 1: it's not breaking. It's not it's not. And she said

973
00:52:44,664 --> 00:52:46,304
Speaker 1: that when she gets home, she will not check the

974
00:52:46,384 --> 00:52:48,864
Speaker 1: letterbox because I have to go inside and get the

975
00:52:48,944 --> 00:52:52,144
Speaker 1: key and come back out again. And therefore she's a

976
00:52:52,224 --> 00:52:54,384
Speaker 1: lazy girl. And I wanted to bring this to you

977
00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:57,024
Speaker 1: because I want to say, like, are we accepting this

978
00:52:57,104 --> 00:53:01,264
Speaker 1: kind of self identification? Okay, you know what, yes, because

979
00:53:01,304 --> 00:53:03,104
Speaker 1: one thing about lazy girls is that they may be

980
00:53:03,184 --> 00:53:05,864
Speaker 1: thriving in one aspect of their life. What defines a

981
00:53:05,944 --> 00:53:12,744
Speaker 1: lazy girl is laziness in suddenly that is like so lazy,

982
00:53:13,424 --> 00:53:17,104
Speaker 1: you know, like the letter box is like the already

983
00:53:17,184 --> 00:53:19,544
Speaker 1: laziness is a way of life. And I just feel like,

984
00:53:19,664 --> 00:53:22,384
Speaker 1: in terms of her attitude and her approach, like I

985
00:53:22,544 --> 00:53:26,224
Speaker 1: accept and I hope she's on a medal. Here's a thing.

986
00:53:26,944 --> 00:53:32,944
Speaker 1: It's almost like she's done the rowing Olympic career. Yeah,

987
00:53:33,544 --> 00:53:35,424
Speaker 1: so she doesn't have to go to the letter one

988
00:53:36,384 --> 00:53:39,304
Speaker 1: like she's doing that to get an excuse from doing

989
00:53:39,944 --> 00:53:42,504
Speaker 1: the less fine thing of him life. Yeah, exactly right,

990
00:53:42,504 --> 00:53:46,424
Speaker 1: which is very lazy girl making poor decisions. I love it.

991
00:53:46,504 --> 00:53:49,664
Speaker 1: I love it, Sarah, you are one of us. Yes, Jesse,

992
00:53:49,824 --> 00:53:53,264
Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for on Canceled today. Thank

993
00:53:53,264 --> 00:53:55,104
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. We will be back

994
00:53:55,344 --> 00:53:59,384
Speaker 1: next week. The executive producer of Canceled is Kim Bradish,

995
00:53:59,464 --> 00:54:03,184
Speaker 1: with audio production by Leah Porges. We will be back

996
00:54:03,224 --> 00:54:09,584
Speaker 1: next week. Bye bye.