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Speaker 2: I haven't had dry, crusty nose from winter for so

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Speaker 5: Hello and welcome Do You Beauty? The daily podcast for

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Speaker 5: your Faith. I'm Aaron Doherty and welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 5: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of

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Speaker 5: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into

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Speaker 5: their skincare of TEMs and today I'm sitting down with

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Speaker 5: the absolute delight that is Kate Bell. She's one of

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Speaker 5: Austrow's most successful models, with a career spanning over three decades.

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Speaker 5: You know the kind of people who are just a

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Speaker 5: ball of pure sunshine. Kate is one of those people.

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Speaker 5: I met her a while ago at a beauty event

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Speaker 5: and I just loved how refreshing and real she was.

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Speaker 5: Her energy and positivity is infectious. For the past thirty

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Speaker 5: seven years, Kate has worked as a full time professional

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Speaker 5: model based in Sydney, and she was Australia's first gen

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Speaker 5: X model to headline national advertising campaigns, the heavy lifters

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Speaker 5: in the beauty industry such as Mecca Maya and David Jones,

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Speaker 5: and she most recently walked the runway at Copenhagen Fashion

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Speaker 5: Week No Big Deal Here. Kate has talked about the

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Speaker 5: challenges and realities of being a model in her fifties,

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Speaker 5: addressing issues like ageism in the fashion and beauty industry,

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Speaker 5: and openly discussing how the perceptions of aging affect her career. Today,

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Speaker 5: we're going to impact Kate's life as a gen X

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Speaker 5: model and the changes she's noticed in the beauty industry

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Speaker 5: over the years. We're going to talk about the changes

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Speaker 5: she's noticed in her own skin as well as dishing

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Speaker 5: out her essential products for a bright and healthy looking glow,

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Speaker 5: and how she feels her best.

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Speaker 1: You are such beautiful skill, but how.

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Speaker 3: Kate? Thank you so much for coming on New beauty

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Speaker 3: y'are here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Mom and Mea for having me.

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited you're fresh from Copenhagen. I am you

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Speaker 5: got that Copenhagen about you. We can't wait to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 5: I want to start by asking you if you can

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Speaker 5: tell me a little bit about your own personal skin

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest change that I've had is that

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Speaker 2: as you get older, your skin drives up. There is literal,

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Speaker 2: scientific fact when we're born, we're ninety percent water. When

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Speaker 2: I think for me now, it's just hydration. It's all

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Speaker 3: Get me that hydration and put it in my face

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Speaker 2: So my skin journey started, like my mother was so

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Speaker 2: I actually met up socialite through something rather and she

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Speaker 2: but she suggested getting facials. Yeah, and so I started

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Speaker 2: So I stuck with the sorbilin for a long time

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Speaker 3: Here's the wizard.

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Speaker 2: It was this rarely tall old dude that owned a

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Speaker 2: He was a font of information like a lot of

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Speaker 2: older nature paths are. They've just got this well of

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Speaker 5: I'm actually someone who used to use soblin cream all

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Speaker 5: But I want to hear more about the products that

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Speaker 5: But i'd love you to talk me through some of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the changes I've seen in the industry as

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Speaker 5: You've also talked about ages in the industry as well,

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Speaker 2: So I was just in Copenhagen for Copenhagen Fashion Week

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Speaker 3: In what way would he approach?

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Speaker 2: He was treating me like an old lady.

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Speaker 2: He said? Now he is actually a photographer. You've just

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Speaker 5: I think we do like to think. I mean, as

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Speaker 5: we look at the rhetoric around aging, it really isn't dead.

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Speaker 5: Like the word, you know, anti aging isn't dead.

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Speaker 2: Because it's attached to telling women how they should look.

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Speaker 2: And I think women we're creative creatures. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: it's something obviously my mother and mother's mother never did.

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Speaker 2: You're allowed to take care of yourself, You're allowed to

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Speaker 2: take care of your skin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 5: I wanted you to talk a little bit about through

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Speaker 5: Is self care one that encompasses a few different trends

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so self care would mean choosing mostly natural products.

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Speaker 2: But then again, I'm not adverse to something if it works.

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Speaker 3: There, just make it look good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, what is your self cares?

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Speaker 1: You give us the dirty detail.

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Speaker 5: So talk me through some of the skincare products you've

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Speaker 2: Okay, So HARKing back to the hydration thing, hydration, hydration, hydration,

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Speaker 2: I use Lovely Zen Spice because I do love all

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Speaker 3: Is this like a multi use oil?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I reckon. They probably sell it for cooking. I

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Speaker 2: think perhaps it was a Wizard, but it could have

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Speaker 2: been Sophia Laurn because years ago her famous quote was

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Speaker 3: Used olive oil it smells nutty.

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Speaker 2: It does smell nutty, and at first you think, oh,

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Speaker 2: I really stink of black SNAs smeal, but you don't,

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Speaker 2: or maybe I do, and I've got used to it.

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Speaker 3: It smells so good, it sounds great. What else have

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Speaker 2: I love Three Warriors. They started sending me their products

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Speaker 2: when they first were developed. They're a really good product.

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Speaker 3: They work.

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Speaker 2: I just spray it.

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Speaker 3: On when I need specific. Is this a face tan?

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Speaker 2: It is a face tan, but I use it everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So is that a spray? Did you say?

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Speaker 5: So that's called Three Warriors face tan Aquamus. Now do

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Speaker 2: They do with a beautiful met Yeah, beautiful company, beautiful product.

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Speaker 2: Well, your little lips disappear on the way through life, and.

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Speaker 3: What is this? I looked it up because I was like,

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Speaker 3: So it's obviously like a multi use product.

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Speaker 2: So some of these products I don't want to look

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Speaker 3: Do you use that on your lips? Can you use

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Speaker 2: All the little lines across my top lip disappear when

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Speaker 3: It gives you that full gloss as well. I love it.

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Speaker 3: What else have you got here? So this is the raw.

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Speaker 2: it's called Fiji skin, and it does Fiji skin.

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Speaker 5: So that's like a cream that you would is it?

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Speaker 5: Yes, and it smells amazing. Tell me about cleansing your face.

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Speaker 2: So I was put onto the Eno products years ago

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Speaker 2: So they only use water and they're like a very

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Speaker 2: It's really like polish. It's really like polish.

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Speaker 1: Yep, hit, you've made one of the greatest discoveries of

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Speaker 3: Or a miss never again, never never.

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Speaker 5: What is a skincare technique or ingredient that you love

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Speaker 5: and one that you hate? Sometimes we have really spicy opinion,

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Speaker 2: But start with spicy first because I'm that so girl. Yay.

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Speaker 2: The one I hate is twenty somethings bless them. Think

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Speaker 3: But as you said, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do love the whole sunscreen thing. And

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Speaker 3: So that's me as well.

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Speaker 5: day and it just becomes part of your routine, like tea. Yes,

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Speaker 5: that's all for today's show, but if you want more

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Speaker 3: We've checked a link to it in the show notes.

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Speaker 5: The executive producer of today's show is to listen this

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Speaker 5: azz with audio production by Lou Hill and I will

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Speaker 5: see you next Tuesday for another interview talking all things skin.

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Speaker 3: Bye.