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Speaker 2: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 3: culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick. We

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Speaker 3: have a huge show today. On the show, we are

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Speaker 3: talking about Reese Witherspoon's possible feud with another A list celebrity,

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Speaker 3: plus a viral paparazzi video of an Australian media personality

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Speaker 3: that we definitely should have not seen.

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Speaker 1: But first, but first, the twenty twenty five Grammys are

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Speaker 1: taking place as we're recording.

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Speaker 3: Everyone. Everyone, I know you're going to hear this after

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Speaker 3: its announced, but pray but pray for Doci. We're manifesting

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Speaker 3: Doughchi to win Best New Artists.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen Emily Vernon so stressed. It was actually

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Speaker 1: very hard to pull your way from the red carpet

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Speaker 1: coverage that's happening in the other side of the office.

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Speaker 3: Either way, there will be cheers, So just a warning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's good to know. We'll tune into tomorrow

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Speaker 1: show and we'll see if Emily's taken a personal leave

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Speaker 1: day because she's upset or she's celebrating.

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Speaker 3: It will either be a celebration or my personal therapy session. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and you're guiding me.

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Speaker 1: So. The Grammy's Red Carpet is taking place as a recording,

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Speaker 1: so we don't know the winners yet. A lot of

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Speaker 1: hype this year, but we wanted to go through a

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Speaker 1: few of the most memorable looks from the Red Carpet

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Speaker 1: because at least if the Grammys, it's not so you know,

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Speaker 1: same same me as we've seen some other Red carpets.

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Speaker 1: People are a bit more daring because they've all got

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Speaker 1: their you know, personal brands that they're there to show.

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Speaker 3: A lot of personal branding is happening so much timoth.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's close playing is someone so Emily and I have

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Speaker 1: selected a few memorable looks from the Red Carpet. We

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Speaker 1: haven't shown each other. We've printed them out. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: show each other the pictures and react, just so you

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Speaker 1: guys listening at home know what's happening. You know how

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Speaker 1: traditionally we haven't been great this whole pull up the

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Speaker 1: for yourself. I've struggled in the past having a prop

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Speaker 1: to work with. But we'll see how we go. Emily,

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Speaker 1: do you want to go first? Your memorable look from

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Speaker 1: the Grammy's Red Cap.

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Speaker 3: Well, you say memorable. These are just my favorite looks.

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Speaker 3: I think they were.

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want to say best or worse, because

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Speaker 1: actually there aren't really any. Well, there's one I think

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Speaker 3: My first one is Willow Smith.

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Speaker 1: Gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: She looks so good. She's wearing kind of like a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with her hair back and forth is a banger

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Speaker 3: I remember that performance so clearly, and Fergie was just

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Speaker 3: hate that. Bring it back, Willow, you can do it.

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Speaker 1: Well. She was aloet like her parents had set up

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Speaker 3: And then she came back and then her dad slapped

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Speaker 1: Now she's got to go back to work. It's hard

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Speaker 3: What he dressed as mus Feradu's castle.

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Speaker 1: No, you're just really You and Jaden Smith are on

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Speaker 1: Emily only learned that recently.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. I love the ivanty both of these and these

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Speaker 3: She looks so good. It's giving bridgeton at the top,

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Speaker 3: Okay, she's also it's got like a corset situation, which

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love that too. Again, everyone's very on brands.

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Speaker 1: that an old Hollywood cause plate. Okay, other memorable looks

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Speaker 1: from the Red Carpet, Chapel Roone, Chapel Roone in No One,

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Speaker 1: yell at me, Jean Paul Gautier, Jean gut again not

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Speaker 1: a fashion podcast. I'm a bit stressed out that this

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Speaker 3: Well, we're also saying this is from two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: I know, I guess that's vintage, but it's so a

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a very distinctive look. I've got the

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Speaker 1: Oh really, I love it. This is my favorite look

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Speaker 3: I love her. I thought this was a great look

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Speaker 1: I like that she hasn't gone like overly gimmicky, like

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Speaker 1: She has that kind of silhouett where you'd pick her

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Speaker 1: She looks amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she looks amazing. But ties giving Emily in Paris

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Speaker 1: season four. But apart from that, she looks amazing. These

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Speaker 1: two pop girlies, I'm just gonna hold up Gracy Abray

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Speaker 1: So we've got greasy Abrams in like a veil, very

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Speaker 1: ethereal looking, flowing white gown.

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Speaker 3: Very chic. It's giving Mother Mary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's giving very Chanelle vintage bride look. And then

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Speaker 3: Like I kind of expected.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're both very expected, but I like the fact that,

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Speaker 1: again they both don't look costumey. But anyone else dressed

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Speaker 1: But because she's got this whole sexy, vintage baby vibe

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Speaker 3: I'm ready for them to try something.

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Speaker 1: out there, but it kind of just leads to the

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Speaker 1: question of if you saw a woman who was clearly

431
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Speaker 1: in some sort of distress and also didn't know she

432
00:18:17,824 --> 00:18:20,024
Speaker 1: was being filmed, that your first thought would be to

433
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Speaker 1: film her and then let her drive away with her daughter,

434
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Speaker 1: and then not and then just go and sell the video.

435
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Speaker 3: And post it everywhere. I think it also shows how

436
00:18:27,464 --> 00:18:30,344
Speaker 3: we still don't see mental illness as a real illness. Yeah,

437
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Speaker 3: Like it would have been such a different story if

438
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Speaker 3: she was physically ill. Like imagine if she injured herself

439
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Speaker 3: and was like bleeding out in the park, There's no

440
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Speaker 3: way they they would have actually gone in there and helped.

441
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Speaker 3: And the fact that, I you.

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Speaker 1: Want to hope so, but I don't know, by some

443
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Speaker 1: of the stuff I see in the world, I don't know.

444
00:18:42,664 --> 00:18:45,304
Speaker 3: If like the fact that they thought that her being

445
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Speaker 3: in that state was like an okay because like she

446
00:18:47,904 --> 00:18:51,704
Speaker 3: physically looks okay. Yeah, that's such a big problem.

447
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Speaker 1: The flip side of this too is that as much

448
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Speaker 1: as like the public and we hear on this podcast

449
00:18:56,384 --> 00:18:59,384
Speaker 1: really call out this very intense paparazzi culture both in

450
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Speaker 1: Australia and overseas and some of the horrific moments we

451
00:19:02,744 --> 00:19:04,984
Speaker 1: see public figures caught in, as much as we all

452
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Speaker 1: sort of all call that out, I'd say even more

453
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Speaker 1: than ever before, there's such a market and a currency

454
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Speaker 1: for it. Like I'm sure there were so many people who,

455
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Speaker 1: like we're saying, the video just came into their feeds,

456
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Speaker 1: but also a lot of people would have heard about

457
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Speaker 1: it or they would have seen the little snippets on TikTok,

458
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Speaker 1: and they would have gone and sought out the full

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Speaker 1: story and the full video, and not even in a

460
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Speaker 1: nasty way, but just you know, there's this human kind

461
00:19:26,584 --> 00:19:28,264
Speaker 1: of condition where you sort of see a little bit

462
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Speaker 1: of it, especially for someone you feel like you know

463
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Speaker 1: and you have that parasocial relationship with, and then you

464
00:19:32,944 --> 00:19:35,264
Speaker 1: go and seek out the content, which means the websites

465
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Speaker 1: and the media platforms that are publishing that content are

466
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Speaker 1: then getting all that hits and making all that money.

467
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Speaker 1: So I think it's all well and good for people

468
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Speaker 1: to comment and say this is awful, which is a

469
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Speaker 1: good thing to do and definitely the right.

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Speaker 3: But it's still engangement.

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Speaker 1: But it's still all this engagement in views, and if

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Speaker 1: there's a market for it, it's never going to stop.

473
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Speaker 1: In fact, it's going to get even heightened, I would say,

474
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Speaker 1: because that video has now gone viral and I'm sure

475
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Speaker 1: it's made that company a lot of money. Well, a

476
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Speaker 1: very messy situation, but you know, we're thinking of Kate

477
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Speaker 1: Richie and I think it was very brave of her

478
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Speaker 1: and a really important thing to do to post that statement,

479
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Speaker 1: to share that with the people who follow.

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Speaker 3: Her so Rees with a Spoon and Will Ferrell have

481
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Speaker 3: just launched a new movie. It's called You're Quarterly Invited

482
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Speaker 3: To I've watched it. It was funny. I thought it

483
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Speaker 3: could have been funnier, but it's is not a brilliant,

484
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Speaker 3: honest tribute. I'm talking about something completely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you liked it because we have I

486
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Speaker 1: recommended on my Instagram and we recommended her.

487
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Speaker 3: You did, and I felt safe to say my spinion here. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: that's not it. They were promoing the movie and they

489
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Speaker 3: were doing an interview with People magazine. They were interviewing

490
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Speaker 3: each other and they were talking about like cringey moments

491
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Speaker 3: that they've had, and Reese with a Spoon's moment, she

492
00:20:42,704 --> 00:20:45,024
Speaker 3: talked about a friend of hers that she had to

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Speaker 3: give a speech to. Like she was a big actress

494
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Speaker 3: and she was being awarded this really fancy award and

495
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Speaker 3: she had to give a speech.

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Speaker 2: So this friend of mine, who I didn't really know

497
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Speaker 2: that well, but she was a very serious, proper actress,

498
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Speaker 2: and she asked me to give her an award. But

499
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Speaker 2: I had never been to this award ceremony, so I

500
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Speaker 2: thought it was like a roast. So I got up

501
00:21:04,704 --> 00:21:08,944
Speaker 2: and I roasted her, but that was not the tone, No, boy,

502
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Speaker 2: The tone was British elegant, elegant, serious, classy, and I

503
00:21:14,904 --> 00:21:17,504
Speaker 2: was like, remember the time we got laser hair removal?

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Speaker 1: Be kidding, my word, We're not friends anymore. I'm not

505
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Speaker 1: even kidding.

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Speaker 3: This is my worst nightmare because this is something I

507
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Speaker 3: actually would do.

508
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Speaker 1: Well, go to a very formal event and roast someone.

509
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Speaker 1: I actually believe that of you.

510
00:21:39,904 --> 00:21:42,544
Speaker 3: If a friend said to me, hey, I'm a batteries

511
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Speaker 3: and if they try to make it sound very blase,

512
00:21:45,224 --> 00:21:47,664
Speaker 3: not telling me that's actually quite serious, and they're like, hey,

513
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Speaker 3: I'm about to receive this award and they kind of

514
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Speaker 3: want someone who's close to me to present it. Do

515
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Speaker 3: you mind just saying like a few words, kind of

516
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Speaker 3: like a wedding speech kind of situation.

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Speaker 1: This actually has happened to you because we had to

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Speaker 1: do a video series, remember this about We had to

519
00:22:00,304 --> 00:22:02,504
Speaker 1: say what we thought of each other as hosts, and

520
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Speaker 1: I did this whole big spiel because we didn't know

521
00:22:04,344 --> 00:22:05,984
Speaker 1: each other. Was saying, that's whole big speel of like

522
00:22:06,024 --> 00:22:07,944
Speaker 1: how great you were and what close friends we were

523
00:22:08,144 --> 00:22:09,624
Speaker 1: and what we meant to each other. You just said

524
00:22:09,664 --> 00:22:12,344
Speaker 1: one line of like, oh she's yeah annoying or.

525
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Speaker 3: Something like that. I remember this.

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Speaker 1: I just want to put on Instagram. But I was like,

527
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Speaker 1: I saw the video afterwards. I went out, I'm like,

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00:22:19,944 --> 00:22:26,504
Speaker 1: that's two very different times. Oh my god, did joke

529
00:22:26,504 --> 00:22:29,424
Speaker 1: about me and walked away from the camera. I look

530
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Speaker 1: like an idiot?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, and I did.

532
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Speaker 1: Read.

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Speaker 3: So Reese was talking about this as a very like

534
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Speaker 3: kind of offhand comment, and social media went wild with

535
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Speaker 3: it because all everyone could think about was who was

536
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Speaker 3: that actress? She gave quite like a descriptive.

537
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Speaker 1: She gave so much description she wanted people to find it.

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Speaker 3: She said, it was like a big British ceremony and

539
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Speaker 3: like this person was like a really close friend of

540
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Speaker 3: hers and but they were really serious. Actor like she

541
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Speaker 3: was very very serious and now they're not friends anymore.

542
00:23:01,424 --> 00:23:04,224
Speaker 3: And then a lot of online salutes. They found a

543
00:23:04,344 --> 00:23:07,864
Speaker 3: transcript from a speech that Reese with a spoon gave

544
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven at a baft kind of award.

545
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Speaker 3: It's like one of those like not the actual baftist,

546
00:23:13,264 --> 00:23:16,824
Speaker 3: but like yeah, one of the lead and the award

547
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Speaker 3: she was presenting was to the Kate Winslet, yes, and

548
00:23:22,024 --> 00:23:25,264
Speaker 3: the transcript, although like Race in the actual interview said

549
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Speaker 3: something about how she was like, oh, we should get

550
00:23:27,704 --> 00:23:30,024
Speaker 3: laser together, that wasn't in the actual transcript. But the

551
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Speaker 3: actual transcript of I should say the alleged transcript because

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Speaker 3: we haven't been proven that this is correct. The alleged

553
00:23:35,784 --> 00:23:38,464
Speaker 3: transcript did talk about them like being mums at the

554
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Speaker 3: same time, and them getting wine together, and like the

555
00:23:42,064 --> 00:23:45,064
Speaker 3: house sitting together. So it was a very funny, like

556
00:23:45,184 --> 00:23:48,264
Speaker 3: endearing transcript. But everyone's like, oh my god, she's talking

557
00:23:48,264 --> 00:23:50,664
Speaker 3: about Katee. They were really close friends and now they're

558
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Speaker 3: not friends anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's funny talking about her in the alleged transcript where

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Speaker 1: she talks about meeting Cage, so Kate Winslet, they were

561
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Speaker 1: living in the same area. Kate Winslet just knocked on

562
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Speaker 1: her door one day. It was like, Hey, our kids

563
00:23:59,784 --> 00:24:01,704
Speaker 1: are the same age. Can they have played aid? Also,

564
00:24:01,824 --> 00:24:04,264
Speaker 1: it's nighttime, I've had no wine, do you have any wine?

565
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Speaker 1: And also I feel like I can like that is

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00:24:06,184 --> 00:24:08,904
Speaker 1: exactly what Kate Winslet would say. She was a woman

567
00:24:08,904 --> 00:24:11,744
Speaker 1: of the people. But it's very interesting that she says,

568
00:24:11,824 --> 00:24:14,464
Speaker 1: like Reese with a Spoon also really hammered home. She's like,

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Speaker 1: we're not friends anymore. She won't speak to me. We

570
00:24:16,784 --> 00:24:19,184
Speaker 1: were really good friends. Now she won't talk to anymore.

571
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Speaker 1: But she really wanted us to know.

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Speaker 3: So all the headlines this weekend were Kate Winsley hat

573
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Speaker 3: over the phone so Reesworthspoon actually went on Instagram on

574
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Speaker 3: her stories and she said, hey, guys, just spake to

575
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Speaker 3: my very dear friend for years, Kate w We laughed

576
00:24:35,264 --> 00:24:38,624
Speaker 3: about this stupidity. Please do not believe the Internet. This

577
00:24:38,704 --> 00:24:42,864
Speaker 3: is completely untrue. Dot dot dot so silly. Well, I

578
00:24:42,944 --> 00:24:44,984
Speaker 3: kind of believe it because I did actually present together

579
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Speaker 3: like years after at the Oscars in twenty sixteen, which

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if that was like because I had

581
00:24:49,824 --> 00:24:51,064
Speaker 3: to think, yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: The thing is you do get paired up with some

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Speaker 1: of the Oscars, but especially if you're a Reese with

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Speaker 1: a Spoon or at Kate Winsley, you can decline to present

585
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Speaker 1: with that person. You've got enough power. It's like you're

586
00:24:58,624 --> 00:25:00,464
Speaker 1: like a young starlet coming in who can't say anything.

587
00:25:00,464 --> 00:25:02,704
Speaker 1: They could have declined to present together if they wanted to.

588
00:25:03,024 --> 00:25:05,144
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about this is like Reese with Aspoon

589
00:25:05,184 --> 00:25:06,984
Speaker 1: has been in the game for a very long time.

590
00:25:07,144 --> 00:25:09,984
Speaker 1: She's a child actress, very famous all through her teens

591
00:25:10,024 --> 00:25:13,344
Speaker 1: and twent Like she knows when she's doing media, what's

592
00:25:13,344 --> 00:25:15,824
Speaker 1: going to get picked up, what's not. And she very

593
00:25:15,824 --> 00:25:18,864
Speaker 1: purposely chose to tell this story one, I guess because

594
00:25:18,904 --> 00:25:21,144
Speaker 1: she obviously wants a lot of promo for the movie,

595
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Speaker 1: and she's very business minded and she knows how to get.

596
00:25:23,624 --> 00:25:25,784
Speaker 3: She's probably like this, we checked, like, I've got my

597
00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:28,784
Speaker 3: private investigator on her. There's no video of this action.

598
00:25:29,184 --> 00:25:31,344
Speaker 3: They'll never find the transcript.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if it was Kate Winslet and then they

600
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Speaker 1: have since made up or they made up now, maybe

601
00:25:36,864 --> 00:25:38,344
Speaker 1: that was her way of getting back to Kate. She

602
00:25:38,424 --> 00:25:40,264
Speaker 1: was like talking to her, She's like, now you have

603
00:25:40,304 --> 00:25:43,704
Speaker 1: to forgive me because a massive story. But I just

604
00:25:43,704 --> 00:25:45,504
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, rees with a spoon, like she wouldn't

605
00:25:45,504 --> 00:25:48,544
Speaker 1: do anything. She presents as this very like bubbly, funny,

606
00:25:48,584 --> 00:25:51,864
Speaker 1: blonde woman, but that woman is razor sharp, Like she's

607
00:25:51,904 --> 00:25:55,064
Speaker 1: a businesswoman. She's also very good at making scandals disappear.

608
00:25:55,584 --> 00:25:58,144
Speaker 1: She's been involved with cut like's been arrested. She has

609
00:25:58,264 --> 00:26:00,704
Speaker 1: been arrested. No one talks about it.

610
00:26:00,824 --> 00:26:03,744
Speaker 3: How I talk about that, just talk about her Sill speech.

611
00:26:03,824 --> 00:26:06,064
Speaker 1: There was that whole video of her and Ryan Phillippe

612
00:26:06,104 --> 00:26:08,704
Speaker 1: having that massive public fight after she won her oscar.

613
00:26:09,104 --> 00:26:11,504
Speaker 1: There was that whole situation of breakup and like him

614
00:26:11,584 --> 00:26:14,064
Speaker 1: cheating on her, even how they got together was very like,

615
00:26:14,104 --> 00:26:17,064
Speaker 1: could be very scandalous. But she's very good at like saying,

616
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Speaker 1: oh no, look over here, this other cute thing, and

617
00:26:19,464 --> 00:26:21,264
Speaker 1: which you know, that's just very smart of her and

618
00:26:21,304 --> 00:26:23,864
Speaker 1: good branding. But there's obviously a reason she wanted this

619
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Speaker 1: story to pop up now. But maybe she didn't expect it.

620
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Speaker 1: Maybe she thought people would be speculating and guessing, not

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Speaker 1: that they would focus on Yeah. Well, I just couldn't

622
00:26:32,904 --> 00:26:35,304
Speaker 1: say to Reese, you know that statement's all well and good.

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Speaker 1: Post a photo of post a recent photo of the

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00:26:38,544 --> 00:26:40,064
Speaker 1: two of you together, and I'll believe it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. Look,

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Speaker 3: I know I've been harping on about dough Chi, but

627
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Speaker 3: we did actually do an episode on Doughci, So if

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Speaker 3: you want to know why she's so great, we will

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Speaker 3: link an episode to that in our show notes. The

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Speaker 3: Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with sound production by

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Speaker 3: Scott Stronik, and we'll be back in your podcast feed

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Speaker 3: at three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Bye Bye,