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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Welcome to the Quickie. I'm Taylorstrano. Three million

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Speaker 2: more Epstein documents dropped, new names, new emails, and a

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Speaker 2: fresh round of questions for some of the most recognizable

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Speaker 2: people on the planet. We'll detail one of the most

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Speaker 2: significant EPSTEIN updates next, but first Claire Murphy's Got You

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Speaker 2: News headlines for Tuesday, February three.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. This is a warning to Aboriginal and Torres

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Speaker 1: Strait Islander listeners that this report includes the names of

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Speaker 1: Indigenous people who've died. New South Wales police are investigating

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Speaker 1: after it was revealed the suspected triple murderer, Julian Ingram,

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Speaker 1: had been released out on bail for domestic violence related accusations.

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Speaker 1: Court documents revealed yesterday that Ingram was granted bail despite

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Speaker 1: fears he potentially posed a risk to victims and the community.

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Speaker 1: The thirty seven year old allegedly fatally shot his ex

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Speaker 1: partner Sophie Quinn and her friend John Harris, before driving

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Speaker 1: to Sophie's Auntie's house narrator Quinn and also shooting her

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Speaker 1: at her late card Jelligo home on January twenty two.

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Speaker 1: A fourth victim survived the attack. New South Wales police

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Speaker 1: have now declared a critical incident to look into their

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Speaker 1: own actions leading up to the shooting. After releasing mister

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Speaker 1: Ingram on bail charged with common assault, stalking and intimidation

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Speaker 1: relating to two incidents involving Miss Quinn that are alleged

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Speaker 1: to have occurred in November last year. Ingram pleaded not

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Speaker 1: guilty and was granted bao with conditions on November thirty.

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Speaker 1: The officer who granted the bail noted the potential safety

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Speaker 1: concerns if he were to be released from custody. In

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Speaker 1: the documents, he said there is a bail concern that

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Speaker 1: the accused person will endanger the safety of the victims,

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Speaker 1: individuals or the community, but they took into consideration his

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Speaker 1: last incident of violence being back in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and that he had no breaches of bail in the past,

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Speaker 1: so his release was granted. The bail conditions included that

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Speaker 1: Ingram report to the Lake card Jelligo police station every day,

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Speaker 1: with police releasing CCTV footage of him attending the station

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Speaker 1: on the day of the shooting. The probe will look

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Speaker 1: into Ingram's ongoing relationship with the victim and his access

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Speaker 1: to firearms despite not having a license to own any.

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Speaker 1: They'll also investigate the suspects full history of domestic violence.

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Speaker 1: Ingram remains on the run. He's considered potentially armed and dangerous,

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Speaker 1: with anyone who comes across him to call police immediately.

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Speaker 1: National's leader David little Prowd is facing mounting pressure within

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Speaker 1: his party to reunite with the Liberals after surviving an

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Speaker 1: attempt to challenge his leadership. Mister Little Prown, who vowed

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Speaker 1: no one within the Nationals could serve in a shadow

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Speaker 1: cabinet under Opposition leader Susan Lee, is being urged to

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Speaker 1: put the coalition back together. Almost two weeks on from

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Speaker 1: the break up. The pair met yesterday evening ahead of

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Speaker 1: Parliament's official return for the year today for the first

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Speaker 1: formal talks to negotiate a potential reconciliation, which Nationals Deputy

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Speaker 1: leader Kevin Hogan described as civil, cooperative and friendly. However,

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Speaker 1: it looks like the two parties will not be facing

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Speaker 1: their first question time of the year as he united front.

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Speaker 1: Mister little Prowd blamed Miss Lee for the split after

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Speaker 1: time she accepted the resignations of three National senators who

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Speaker 1: breach shadow cabinet solidarity by voting against an agreed position

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Speaker 1: on hate crime laws. Mister Hogan said the key sticking

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Speaker 1: point remained and there wasn't an agreement made whether the

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Speaker 1: three senators who resigned would be reinstated. US President Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is threatening to sue Grammy's host Trevor Noah over

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Speaker 1: a joke made about Jeffrey Epstein in his sixth and

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Speaker 1: final appearance as the award show's host. Noah was talking

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Speaker 1: about the Song of the Year award when he said this, that.

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Speaker 3: Is a Grammy that every artist wants, almost as much

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Speaker 3: as Trump wants Greenland, which makes sense. I mean, because

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Speaker 3: Epstein's Island is gone. He needs a new one to

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Speaker 1: So Trump took to social media, writing that the Grammy

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Speaker 1: Awards are the worst, virtually unwatchable, saying Noah was almost

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Speaker 1: as bad as Jimmy Kimmel and that he had said

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Speaker 1: incorrectly in Capital Letters that he'd spent time on Epstein Island.

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Speaker 1: He wrote again in Capital's wrong saying he'd never been

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Speaker 1: to Epstein Island nor anywhere close, following that up with

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Speaker 1: to sue this poor, pathetic, talentless dope of an MC.

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Speaker 1: He signed off saying get ready, Noah, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have some fun with you. Diversity Council Australia has released

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Speaker 1: early data from its twenty twenty five to twenty six

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Speaker 1: Inclusion at Work Index, finding forty six percent of LGBTQI

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Speaker 1: workers had experienced discrimination and or harassment at work in

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Speaker 1: LGBTQI workers. The survey of three thousand workers across Australia

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four survey. The Council's head of Research, Rose

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Speaker 1: Dealmata Remedios, says the increase is not just about isolated incidents,

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Speaker 1: social gatherings, and almost half saying colleagues had made incorrect

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Speaker 1: Remedios said the message for employers is clear. Inclusive workplaces

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Speaker 1: don't rely on policies alone, saying they require proactive actions

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Speaker 1: that build trust, create a workplace environment where it's safe

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Speaker 1: to speak up and address harmful behavior. Early. After nearly

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Speaker 1: ten months on the sidelines due to injury, Matilda star

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Speaker 1: Mary Fowler has returned to the pitch for her English

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Speaker 1: side Manchester City. Two of her teammates hugged her as

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Speaker 1: as a substitute, the home crowd also giving her a

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Speaker 1: big welcome from the stands. Man City won the game

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Speaker 1: five one over Chelsea, who had Fowler's fellow Matilda Sam

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Speaker 1: Kerr on the bench and Ellie Carpenter in their starting lineup.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire from those photos of former Prince Andrew who

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Speaker 2: mentions of high profile Aussies will explain the millions of

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Speaker 2: freshly released Epstein files. Next Jeffrey Epstein, former Prince Andrew Gallain,

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Speaker 2: Maxwell Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Palmer,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Runn. These are some of the most famous names

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Speaker 2: in the latest tranch of Epstein files three million pages,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty thousand images and two thousand videos

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Speaker 2: this year. Scale makes your head spin. It's a lot,

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Speaker 2: so let's get into it. As a quick refresher. The

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Speaker 2: Epstein files are the paper trail left behind by Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Epstein and the investigations into him. Think flight logs, emails,

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Speaker 2: contact lists, photos, FBI notes, court transcripts, and tips from

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Speaker 2: the public, all pulled together over years by US authorities.

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Speaker 2: They've been sitting mostly out of sight in government systems,

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Speaker 2: and every time a court order or a new law

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Speaker 2: and sometimes messier picture of who he knew, who he

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Speaker 2: met with, and how he moved around the world, Which

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Speaker 2: brings us to the latest emails, pitchers, and new names

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Speaker 2: popping up, confirming something many analysts have concluded already. Epstein's

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Speaker 2: reach knew no bounds, his name being used in the

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Speaker 2: same sentence as some of the world's most powerful people,

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Speaker 2: like Bill Clinton, whose name has been used alongside Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Epstein's on many occasions. Also in this latest document dump,

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Speaker 2: there are more references to and photos of the former

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Speaker 2: Prince Andrew Mountain, Batton windsor invitations that link Epstein to

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Speaker 2: Buckingham Palace and photos of Andrew crouching over an unknown

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Speaker 2: woman at an Epstein gathering that now sits alongside accusations

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Speaker 2: from another woman who claims she spent the night with

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Speaker 2: the former prince at the Royal Lodge back in twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: an evening broken by Epstein. It's the kind of detail

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Speaker 2: that doesn't prove criminal guilt, but does keep raising questions

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Speaker 2: about how close that friendship really was. And it's not

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Speaker 2: just the Royals. There are references to former US President

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Speaker 2: the world, including Australia's former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and

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Speaker 2: Billy businessman politician Clive Palmer. Again, being named isn't the

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Speaker 2: same as being accused of a crime, but it does

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Speaker 2: show how deeply Epstein had embedded himself in elite social

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Speaker 2: and political circles on that of our Australian pollies. Kevin

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Speaker 2: Rud has denied meeting Epstein, while Clive Palmer, who is

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Speaker 2: alleged to have been influenced by a senior advisor to

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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump during his twenty nineteen election campaign,

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Speaker 2: as per revelations from the latest Epstein files also denies

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Speaker 2: any such claims. Oh And also the daughter of former

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Paul Keating, is also involved in this saga.

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Speaker 2: Katherine Keating has described her friendship with Epstein as unfortunate

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Speaker 2: after their email exchanges were made public as part of

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Speaker 2: the latest Docku dump. Plus, we're starting to understand just

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Speaker 2: howard mess Tesla owner Elon Mask was with Epstein, with

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Speaker 2: emails from twenty twelve and twenty thirteen showing him talking

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Speaker 2: about dropping in on Epstein's private island, hosting him at

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Speaker 2: the SpaceX in California, and looping in family members about

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Speaker 2: Epstein's energy products, even as he now insists he barely

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Speaker 2: knew the man and never took him up on those invites. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: another royal family has been touched by this scandal, Noway's

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Speaker 2: Crown Princess Metti Maurit, whose name appears hundreds of times

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Speaker 2: in the new files, with emails showing friendly back and

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Speaker 2: forth with Epstein between twenty eleven and twenty fourteen, and

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Speaker 2: even a four days day at his Florida home, contact

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Speaker 2: she now calls simply embarrassing and poor judgment. As Noway's

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, publicly agrees she should have cut ties much sooner. Now,

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Speaker 2: while these big names dominate the headlines, we must remember

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Speaker 2: what sits underneath all of this. At the heart of

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Speaker 2: the Epstein story are allegations of grooming, sexual abuse, trafficking,

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Speaker 2: and exploitation of girls and young women, the people who

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Speaker 2: lived through the hum while the famous men now being

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Speaker 2: against the edges of his works. Let's zoom in on

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Speaker 2: one aspect of this story, that of former Prince Andrew

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Speaker 2: is now being stripped of his titles, booted from the

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Speaker 2: for himself. So what happens next? Royal commentator Victoria Alberta

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Speaker 2: continues to follow this and other royal stories closely. Victoria

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Speaker 2: not to draw conclusions about any of the images or

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Speaker 2: the claims released with this recent document dump. But what

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Speaker 2: did you make of those photos of Andrew crouched over

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Speaker 2: that unknown woman.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you're absolutely right, first of all to

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Speaker 5: But I think it's.

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Speaker 4: Safe to assume, given Jeffrey Epstein's predilection for younger people,

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Speaker 4: that this is not a good look. But I think, really,

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Speaker 4: when I saw this image, I was deeply uncomfortable. It

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Speaker 4: was bad now seeing the former Prince Andrew with his

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Speaker 5: Maxwell's London townhouse.

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Speaker 4: Andrew has always denied that photograph and said that he

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Speaker 5: We don't know that.

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Speaker 4: That hasn't been concluded either way. But with this photograph,

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Speaker 4: it's quite a different matter seeing the Prince actively participating

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Speaker 4: in lessons salubrious behavior. We don't know where it is.

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Speaker 4: There's been suggestion that this photograph was taken at Epstein's

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Speaker 4: physically touching this young person, crouched over her, bent over her,

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Speaker 4: obviously engaging in something that looks un toward just gave

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Speaker 4: me the hebgb's Honestly, it was horrible.

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Speaker 2: And then there is the other part of this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there are many moving parts to these Epstein files and

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Speaker 2: the things that have been released from them, Victoria. But

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Speaker 2: another part to it is that a second woman has

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Speaker 2: Now she is the second woman, after of course, the

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Speaker 5: Again, we don't know a name.

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Speaker 5: You have to think of the security implications.

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Speaker 5: So lapses in judgment all over.

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Speaker 4: I think you're absolutely right that yes, Andrew has for

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Speaker 5: Otherwise he's absolutely been caught out.

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Speaker 2: What would the implication of that, Bae. Do you think

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Speaker 4: Who's to say how authorities are going to react towards

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Speaker 2: What do you think people want to add out of this?

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Speaker 2: What is the end game? I mean, Andrew's been excommunicated

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Speaker 2: Where do you say this ending.

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Speaker 4: Well, some people might argue this point, but I think

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Speaker 4: Short of frog marching Andrew into a police station and

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Speaker 5: But whether he'll do so well that remains to be seen.

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