1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:13,015 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amoma mea podcast. We all know about 2 00:00:13,055 --> 00:00:16,895 Speaker 1: the three trimesters of pregnancy, but now the internet has 3 00:00:16,975 --> 00:00:23,095 Speaker 1: introduced another one trimester zero. It's doing the rounds online, 4 00:00:23,175 --> 00:00:25,975 Speaker 1: but we want to look past the influences and chat 5 00:00:25,975 --> 00:00:28,975 Speaker 1: with the experts to find out where the marketing ends 6 00:00:29,055 --> 00:00:34,294 Speaker 1: and actual science begins. It's the Quickie for Friday, February twenty. 7 00:00:34,495 --> 00:00:37,934 Speaker 1: I'm Taylor Strano. Claire Murphy is also here with your 8 00:00:37,974 --> 00:00:38,854 Speaker 1: news headlines. 9 00:00:39,254 --> 00:00:42,534 Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. Former Prince Andrew Mountbatten Windsor has been arrested 10 00:00:42,534 --> 00:00:45,294 Speaker 2: at his home in Sandringham as police conduct searches on 11 00:00:45,335 --> 00:00:48,934 Speaker 2: properties in Berkshire and Norfolk. Andrew was taken into custody 12 00:00:48,974 --> 00:00:52,054 Speaker 2: on Thursday February nineteen local time, which also happens to 13 00:00:52,095 --> 00:00:55,495 Speaker 2: be his sixty sixth birthday, on suspicion of misconduct in 14 00:00:55,575 --> 00:00:58,495 Speaker 2: public office in an inquiry stemming from his relationship with 15 00:00:58,575 --> 00:01:01,495 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. It's been reported that no one in the 16 00:01:01,535 --> 00:01:04,375 Speaker 2: royal family or Andrew himself or aware that his arrest 17 00:01:04,535 --> 00:01:07,975 Speaker 2: was coming. The first senior British royal in modern history 18 00:01:08,015 --> 00:01:11,615 Speaker 2: to be detained by police. The current police investigation follows 19 00:01:11,655 --> 00:01:15,575 Speaker 2: documents in recently released Epstein files that suggest Andrew passed 20 00:01:15,615 --> 00:01:18,815 Speaker 2: on official government documents to the late convicted sex offender 21 00:01:19,095 --> 00:01:21,575 Speaker 2: when he was a trade envoy. The former prince has 22 00:01:21,575 --> 00:01:23,575 Speaker 2: not been charged with a crime and has long denied 23 00:01:23,655 --> 00:01:27,295 Speaker 2: any wrongdoing over his Epstein links, but after emails emerged 24 00:01:27,335 --> 00:01:30,775 Speaker 2: last year showing Andrew remained in contact with Epstein longer 25 00:01:30,775 --> 00:01:34,895 Speaker 2: than he previously claimed, and Epstein victim Virginia Geffray's posthumous 26 00:01:34,935 --> 00:01:38,375 Speaker 2: memoir brought new allegations King Charles stripped his brother of 27 00:01:38,375 --> 00:01:40,895 Speaker 2: his princely title and other honors, as well as his 28 00:01:40,975 --> 00:01:44,055 Speaker 2: home at the Royal Lodge in Windsor. Andrew did face 29 00:01:44,095 --> 00:01:47,135 Speaker 2: a civil case brought against him by Jeffrey, who claimed 30 00:01:47,175 --> 00:01:49,815 Speaker 2: Andrew raped her three times when she was a teenager, 31 00:01:49,895 --> 00:01:53,455 Speaker 2: which was eventually settled out of court. ITV News Royal 32 00:01:53,615 --> 00:01:56,455 Speaker 2: editor Chris Ship posted a video of King Charles arriving 33 00:01:56,495 --> 00:01:59,175 Speaker 2: at an event just a few hours after Andrew's arrest. 34 00:01:59,535 --> 00:02:01,975 Speaker 2: Confronted by the press, he refused to be drawn on 35 00:02:02,015 --> 00:02:11,695 Speaker 2: the issue. You how are your brother's harass yourty? 36 00:02:11,855 --> 00:02:14,815 Speaker 1: How are you doing up your brother's arrass? Have you 37 00:02:14,855 --> 00:02:16,454 Speaker 1: spoke this your brother? Your majesty? 38 00:02:17,495 --> 00:02:20,095 Speaker 2: The King released a written statement saying, I have learned 39 00:02:20,095 --> 00:02:23,175 Speaker 2: with the deepest concern the news about Andrew Mountbatten Windsor 40 00:02:23,415 --> 00:02:27,255 Speaker 2: and suspicion of misconduct in public offers. What now follows 41 00:02:27,375 --> 00:02:29,855 Speaker 2: is the full, fair and proper process by which this 42 00:02:29,975 --> 00:02:32,975 Speaker 2: issue is investigated in the appropriate manner and by the 43 00:02:33,015 --> 00:02:34,255 Speaker 2: appropriate authorities. 44 00:02:34,655 --> 00:02:35,055 Speaker 1: He said. 45 00:02:35,175 --> 00:02:37,735 Speaker 2: In this as I have said before, they have our 46 00:02:37,815 --> 00:02:41,815 Speaker 2: full and wholehearted support and cooperation. Let me state clearly, 47 00:02:41,855 --> 00:02:44,695 Speaker 2: he says, the law must take its course as this 48 00:02:44,775 --> 00:02:47,095 Speaker 2: process continues, it would not be right for me to 49 00:02:47,135 --> 00:02:50,135 Speaker 2: comment further on this matter. Meanwhile, my family and I 50 00:02:50,175 --> 00:02:52,735 Speaker 2: will continue in our duty and service to you all. 51 00:02:53,135 --> 00:02:56,375 Speaker 2: Queen Camilla was also asked while attending a concert in Westminster. 52 00:02:56,615 --> 00:02:58,495 Speaker 2: She waved to the crowd but did not respond to 53 00:02:58,575 --> 00:03:02,535 Speaker 2: questions about Andrew. Virginia Geffray's family released a statement saying, 54 00:03:02,695 --> 00:03:05,735 Speaker 2: at last today our broken hearts have been lifted the 55 00:03:05,735 --> 00:03:08,815 Speaker 2: news that no one is above the law, not even Royalty. 56 00:03:09,175 --> 00:03:12,455 Speaker 2: On behalf of our sister Virginia Roberts Giffrey, we extend 57 00:03:12,455 --> 00:03:15,335 Speaker 2: our gratitude to the UK's Thames Valley Police for their 58 00:03:15,335 --> 00:03:19,095 Speaker 2: investigation and arrest of Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. He was never 59 00:03:19,135 --> 00:03:22,135 Speaker 2: a prince. They said for survivors everywhere. Virginia did this 60 00:03:22,255 --> 00:03:25,415 Speaker 2: for you. Giffrey died by suicide in Australia last year. 61 00:03:26,335 --> 00:03:30,135 Speaker 2: A supermarket giant fighting allegations of manipulating grocery prices as 62 00:03:30,215 --> 00:03:34,135 Speaker 2: part of a nationwide downtown promotion insists it genuinely cares 63 00:03:34,135 --> 00:03:37,815 Speaker 2: about its customers. Coles is fiercely defending claims by the 64 00:03:37,855 --> 00:03:42,335 Speaker 2: Australian Competition and Consumer Commission that it deliberately misled customers 65 00:03:42,415 --> 00:03:45,255 Speaker 2: during the campaign that first launched in twenty ten, but 66 00:03:45,375 --> 00:03:49,175 Speaker 2: has admitted to strong arming suppliers, threatening to strip products 67 00:03:49,175 --> 00:03:52,495 Speaker 2: from shelves if they refused to meet the retailer's pricing demands. 68 00:03:52,855 --> 00:03:57,535 Speaker 2: The watchdog alleges Coal's systematically increased prices on everyday items 69 00:03:57,775 --> 00:04:01,295 Speaker 2: before offering discounts at prices higher to or equal to 70 00:04:01,335 --> 00:04:04,935 Speaker 2: the original shelf price. For example, one Nature's Gift pet 71 00:04:04,935 --> 00:04:07,815 Speaker 2: food item sold for ten months at four dollars. It 72 00:04:07,895 --> 00:04:09,935 Speaker 2: was then bumped up to six dollars for a week 73 00:04:10,135 --> 00:04:12,415 Speaker 2: before it was reduced to the down down price of 74 00:04:12,455 --> 00:04:16,135 Speaker 2: four dollars fifty. Senior category manager for Pets, Paul Carroll 75 00:04:16,214 --> 00:04:19,895 Speaker 2: insisted that the downdown intention was to make products accessible, 76 00:04:20,175 --> 00:04:23,375 Speaker 2: but he conceded that the primary motive was to drive sales. 77 00:04:23,775 --> 00:04:26,815 Speaker 2: Emails between mister Carroll and Nature's Gift also showed he 78 00:04:26,895 --> 00:04:29,775 Speaker 2: threatened to pull the range from shelves over pricing and 79 00:04:29,855 --> 00:04:33,535 Speaker 2: a dispute over rebates. Mister Carroll admitted writing the emails, 80 00:04:33,535 --> 00:04:36,135 Speaker 2: but said his intention was to reduce costs for the 81 00:04:36,175 --> 00:04:40,135 Speaker 2: benefit of customers. Mister Carroll argued he genuinely cared about 82 00:04:40,135 --> 00:04:43,775 Speaker 2: his customers, before ultimately agreeing that it was about driving sales. 83 00:04:44,215 --> 00:04:48,175 Speaker 2: The Competition Watchdog is seeking significant penalties for alleged breaches 84 00:04:48,215 --> 00:04:51,975 Speaker 2: relating to Woolworth's prices dropped and calls down down promotions 85 00:04:52,015 --> 00:04:56,575 Speaker 2: across fifteen months. The case continues today. US President Donald 86 00:04:56,575 --> 00:04:58,695 Speaker 2: Trump has told the first meeting of his Board of 87 00:04:58,775 --> 00:05:01,815 Speaker 2: Peace that seven billion dollars yu Wares has been contributed 88 00:05:01,855 --> 00:05:05,255 Speaker 2: to a Gaza reconstruction fund. Trump said the United States 89 00:05:05,295 --> 00:05:07,935 Speaker 2: will will also make a contribution of ten billion dollars 90 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:11,415 Speaker 2: to the board. The money, while significant, represents a fraction 91 00:05:11,455 --> 00:05:14,775 Speaker 2: of the estimated seventy billion needed to rebuild the Palestinian 92 00:05:14,855 --> 00:05:18,655 Speaker 2: territory decimated after two years of war. Trump also said 93 00:05:18,735 --> 00:05:22,335 Speaker 2: FIFA will raise seventy five million for soccer related projects 94 00:05:22,335 --> 00:05:24,695 Speaker 2: in Gaza, and that the UN will chip in two 95 00:05:24,695 --> 00:05:28,615 Speaker 2: billion dollars for humanitarian assistance. The funder aims to rebuild 96 00:05:28,615 --> 00:05:32,255 Speaker 2: the enclave once Hammas disarms, but that objective is currently 97 00:05:32,335 --> 00:05:36,375 Speaker 2: far from reality. Hamas, fearful of Israeli reprisals, has been 98 00:05:36,375 --> 00:05:39,375 Speaker 2: reluctant to hand over weaponry as part of Trump's twenty 99 00:05:39,455 --> 00:05:43,415 Speaker 2: point Gaza plan that brought about a fragile ceasefire last October, 100 00:05:43,735 --> 00:05:46,535 Speaker 2: Trump said he hoped use of force to disarm Hamas 101 00:05:46,575 --> 00:05:49,815 Speaker 2: would not become necessary. The Board of Peace includes Israel, 102 00:05:49,855 --> 00:05:53,615 Speaker 2: but not Palestinian representatives, and Trump's suggestion it could eventually 103 00:05:53,655 --> 00:05:57,214 Speaker 2: address challenges beyond Gaza has stirred some anxiety that it 104 00:05:57,255 --> 00:05:59,895 Speaker 2: could undermine the UN's role as the main platform for 105 00:05:59,895 --> 00:06:04,375 Speaker 2: global diplomacy and conflict resolution. OSSI actress Margo Robbie has 106 00:06:04,415 --> 00:06:07,135 Speaker 2: explained how the movie The Mighty Ducks inspired her to 107 00:06:07,175 --> 00:06:10,175 Speaker 2: take up ice hockey. Speaking to the Smart Less podcast, 108 00:06:10,215 --> 00:06:12,854 Speaker 2: she described her obsession with the sport after watching the 109 00:06:12,895 --> 00:06:15,455 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two movie, but how living on the Gold 110 00:06:15,495 --> 00:06:18,415 Speaker 2: Coast meant not a lot of access to ice skating opportunities, 111 00:06:18,535 --> 00:06:21,255 Speaker 2: meaning she took up field hockey instead. It was only 112 00:06:21,295 --> 00:06:23,015 Speaker 2: when she moved to the US as a twenty year 113 00:06:23,055 --> 00:06:25,375 Speaker 2: old that she finally got patted up and onto the rink, 114 00:06:25,575 --> 00:06:28,055 Speaker 2: where she explained that the opposition would often mistake her 115 00:06:28,095 --> 00:06:30,855 Speaker 2: for a very small man and would constantly mock her. 116 00:06:31,175 --> 00:06:33,295 Speaker 2: She said they would be shocked and apologized when she 117 00:06:33,335 --> 00:06:34,855 Speaker 2: took her helmet off at the end of the game 118 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:37,335 Speaker 2: to realize she was a woman. She also spoke about 119 00:06:37,335 --> 00:06:39,615 Speaker 2: the difficulty she faced when landing in the US as 120 00:06:39,655 --> 00:06:42,575 Speaker 2: a young woman, and said other acting ossies came to 121 00:06:42,575 --> 00:06:43,175 Speaker 2: her rescue. 122 00:06:43,215 --> 00:06:45,895 Speaker 3: Five days after I finished on Neighbors, I was quite 123 00:06:45,975 --> 00:06:48,854 Speaker 3: keen to get here. And yeah, there was no uber, 124 00:06:49,055 --> 00:06:50,935 Speaker 3: there was no like it was a different time. 125 00:06:51,015 --> 00:06:53,015 Speaker 1: That was pilots, Well you had to learn how to 126 00:06:53,055 --> 00:06:54,175 Speaker 1: drive on the other side of the road. 127 00:06:54,495 --> 00:06:57,375 Speaker 3: Well not just that wouldn't have been a problem. It 128 00:06:57,535 --> 00:06:59,695 Speaker 3: was getting a car. You can't actually run a car 129 00:06:59,775 --> 00:07:02,214 Speaker 3: to you're twenty one, and I was still twenty and 130 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:04,695 Speaker 3: so I asked the Aussie you know, like out Ozzie Mafia. 131 00:07:04,735 --> 00:07:06,135 Speaker 3: I was like, you know, what do I do if 132 00:07:06,175 --> 00:07:07,455 Speaker 3: I need to get a car to get around to 133 00:07:07,495 --> 00:07:09,895 Speaker 3: these auditions, and they're like, Okay, I know a guy 134 00:07:10,535 --> 00:07:13,295 Speaker 3: and so you'd go to this the guy and he 135 00:07:13,295 --> 00:07:15,095 Speaker 3: would rent you a car kind of off the books 136 00:07:15,175 --> 00:07:17,095 Speaker 3: or whatever, and then you drive around to your auditions 137 00:07:17,095 --> 00:07:17,455 Speaker 3: and all that. 138 00:07:17,695 --> 00:07:19,695 Speaker 1: Rossell Burrow's got a little side gig out and see 139 00:07:19,695 --> 00:07:26,135 Speaker 1: me valid, Thanks Claire. Next, does trymester zero actually help 140 00:07:26,415 --> 00:07:34,815 Speaker 1: or just give women more homework? You've probably heard of 141 00:07:34,935 --> 00:07:38,055 Speaker 1: hacks or old wives tales to predict a baby's gender, 142 00:07:38,815 --> 00:07:41,575 Speaker 1: holding a ring on a string over the belly, Craving 143 00:07:41,615 --> 00:07:44,735 Speaker 1: sweets means girls, and salt means boys are on the way, 144 00:07:45,095 --> 00:07:48,415 Speaker 1: or whether you're carrying high or low. None of it 145 00:07:48,455 --> 00:07:51,295 Speaker 1: is scientific, but it's the kind of low stakes fun 146 00:07:51,375 --> 00:07:55,295 Speaker 1: people have always had around pregnancy. But what about hacks 147 00:07:55,295 --> 00:07:59,935 Speaker 1: that start before you even start trying cutting out coffee 148 00:07:59,935 --> 00:08:03,775 Speaker 1: months in advance, throwing out your nonstick frive hands, wearing 149 00:08:03,815 --> 00:08:07,135 Speaker 1: a glucose monitor, and slopping your flat white for bone 150 00:08:07,175 --> 00:08:11,135 Speaker 1: broth because someone on TikTok said it'll quote unquote fix 151 00:08:11,295 --> 00:08:14,935 Speaker 1: your eggs. Welcome friends to the world of the so 152 00:08:15,135 --> 00:08:20,455 Speaker 1: called trimester zero. Mummameer reporter analyse Todd has been looking 153 00:08:20,495 --> 00:08:22,575 Speaker 1: into this pre pregnancy panic. 154 00:08:23,095 --> 00:08:27,455 Speaker 4: Trimester zero is a viral wellness trend and it's about 155 00:08:27,735 --> 00:08:32,975 Speaker 4: preconception and optimizing, getting the soil ready for the seed, 156 00:08:33,054 --> 00:08:38,495 Speaker 4: and it's driven by TTC trying to conceive TikTok creators. 157 00:08:39,695 --> 00:08:43,495 Speaker 1: Okay, so what does optimizing one's body actually look like? 158 00:08:44,135 --> 00:08:47,495 Speaker 4: Well, for women, coining at trimester is focusing on a 159 00:08:47,575 --> 00:08:51,095 Speaker 4: ninety day cycle about getting the egg ready, and it's 160 00:08:51,175 --> 00:08:55,735 Speaker 4: things like cutting out caffeine completely and drinking bone broth 161 00:08:55,935 --> 00:09:00,935 Speaker 4: and liver smoothies for nutrient density, doing stool samples and 162 00:09:01,335 --> 00:09:07,495 Speaker 4: vaginal microbiome swaps, wearing constant glucose which diabetics actually wear 163 00:09:07,735 --> 00:09:10,575 Speaker 4: to measure insulin spikes in your blood. 164 00:09:11,095 --> 00:09:13,055 Speaker 1: And for the want to be fathers out there. 165 00:09:13,735 --> 00:09:17,255 Speaker 4: So that is really about protecting the sperm against heat 166 00:09:17,495 --> 00:09:22,575 Speaker 4: and radiation, So things like swapping for boxes rather than 167 00:09:22,615 --> 00:09:28,655 Speaker 4: a tight brief, avoiding saunas, hot baths, wearing scrotal ice 168 00:09:28,735 --> 00:09:31,975 Speaker 4: packs to cool the boys down, not putting you laptop 169 00:09:32,015 --> 00:09:35,015 Speaker 4: on your lap, and moving your phone from your front 170 00:09:35,215 --> 00:09:39,215 Speaker 4: pocket to your back pocket to avoid the pelvic area. 171 00:09:39,695 --> 00:09:42,135 Speaker 1: As part of a research on this topic, Analyse also 172 00:09:42,215 --> 00:09:46,575 Speaker 1: came across the more let's call it obscure advice for 173 00:09:46,655 --> 00:09:48,575 Speaker 1: that pre pregnancy phase of life. 174 00:09:49,375 --> 00:09:53,895 Speaker 4: People are literally throwing away hundreds of dollars of tupp 175 00:09:53,975 --> 00:10:00,814 Speaker 4: aware so plastic tupperware cosmetics. They are not wearing nail polish, perfumes, 176 00:10:00,855 --> 00:10:07,255 Speaker 4: fragrances or to avoid chemicals, avoiding eye drinks and cold 177 00:10:07,375 --> 00:10:11,575 Speaker 4: food because you want your uterus warm and somehow I 178 00:10:11,575 --> 00:10:14,335 Speaker 4: guess a drink will impact that. And then yeah, just 179 00:10:14,375 --> 00:10:18,295 Speaker 4: spending a heap of money on like potions and pills 180 00:10:18,375 --> 00:10:21,775 Speaker 4: outside the medically recommended folate supplement. 181 00:10:21,855 --> 00:10:23,694 Speaker 1: Look as trivial as some of these hacks may be. 182 00:10:23,855 --> 00:10:26,255 Speaker 1: The idea of prepping yourself for your best chance at 183 00:10:26,255 --> 00:10:29,455 Speaker 1: conception isn't pulled out of thin air. It does roughly 184 00:10:29,495 --> 00:10:31,934 Speaker 1: take ninety days for an egg to mature and for 185 00:10:32,095 --> 00:10:35,415 Speaker 1: new sperm to be generated, but most doctors will tell 186 00:10:35,455 --> 00:10:39,255 Speaker 1: you trimester zero is a marketing label, not a medical phase, 187 00:10:39,975 --> 00:10:43,735 Speaker 1: and it's important to say not everyone has the luxury 188 00:10:43,775 --> 00:10:46,375 Speaker 1: of a three month build up, not everyone wants to 189 00:10:46,375 --> 00:10:50,095 Speaker 1: plan pregnancy to the day, and not everyone can conceive 190 00:10:50,375 --> 00:10:53,655 Speaker 1: no matter how many habits they change, not to mention 191 00:10:53,695 --> 00:10:56,375 Speaker 1: the huge burden it places on women as opposed to 192 00:10:56,415 --> 00:11:00,415 Speaker 1: their male counterparts in it all. So where's the line 193 00:11:00,415 --> 00:11:05,015 Speaker 1: between sensible prep and overkill? Let's ask cohost of Well 194 00:11:05,095 --> 00:11:10,735 Speaker 1: doctor marry him. Okay, doctor Mariam, you've just had a baby. Congratulations. 195 00:11:11,335 --> 00:11:15,334 Speaker 1: I need to know, though, did you prep in trimester zero? 196 00:11:15,815 --> 00:11:22,295 Speaker 5: Well, bub was a surprise baby, so unfortunately I didn't 197 00:11:22,415 --> 00:11:26,295 Speaker 5: prepare the three month preconception, which I generally counsel all 198 00:11:26,335 --> 00:11:29,735 Speaker 5: my patients as I do with contraception. I missed that lecture. 199 00:11:31,615 --> 00:11:35,375 Speaker 5: But have a beautiful baby, But no, unfortunately I didn't. 200 00:11:35,815 --> 00:11:38,575 Speaker 1: I like to hear that you counsel your patients who 201 00:11:38,575 --> 00:11:41,054 Speaker 1: are trying to conceive to go through a bit of 202 00:11:41,095 --> 00:11:44,814 Speaker 1: a three month pre pregnancy routine. And I want to 203 00:11:44,855 --> 00:11:46,975 Speaker 1: get to some of the practical advice in a moment, 204 00:11:47,015 --> 00:11:50,975 Speaker 1: But first, can I get your expert opinion on some 205 00:11:51,015 --> 00:11:53,495 Speaker 1: of the more obscure prep methods we've come across. 206 00:11:53,855 --> 00:11:54,895 Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go for it. 207 00:11:55,015 --> 00:11:58,335 Speaker 1: Okay. The first one is to throw away all of 208 00:11:58,375 --> 00:12:00,935 Speaker 1: your endocrime disrupting and I put that in quote marks 209 00:12:00,935 --> 00:12:02,855 Speaker 1: because I don't know how factual it is, but all 210 00:12:02,855 --> 00:12:06,855 Speaker 1: of your endocrime disrupting tougher ware cook where go through 211 00:12:06,895 --> 00:12:08,775 Speaker 1: the pantry and throw it all out. Is there any 212 00:12:08,775 --> 00:12:09,454 Speaker 1: truth to that? 213 00:12:10,015 --> 00:12:14,935 Speaker 5: There is some emerging evidence now with endocrime disrupting hormones, 214 00:12:15,935 --> 00:12:19,215 Speaker 5: it's just not solid proof yet. So I wouldn't want 215 00:12:19,295 --> 00:12:23,895 Speaker 5: someone reorganizing their entire kitchen based on limited evidence. So 216 00:12:23,975 --> 00:12:27,095 Speaker 5: what I would say is just make some changes which 217 00:12:27,135 --> 00:12:30,415 Speaker 5: you can kind of implement in your lifestyle. So you know, 218 00:12:30,575 --> 00:12:32,814 Speaker 5: instead of heating things in plastic, let's get rid of 219 00:12:32,855 --> 00:12:36,215 Speaker 5: all our plastic tupperware, replace it with glass containers or 220 00:12:36,215 --> 00:12:39,015 Speaker 5: some stainless steel, those sorts of things. That's fine, that's 221 00:12:39,015 --> 00:12:41,255 Speaker 5: something you can adapt and change into your lifestyle. But 222 00:12:41,375 --> 00:12:45,135 Speaker 5: you know, redoing the entire kitchen, that's going to create 223 00:12:45,135 --> 00:12:47,854 Speaker 5: a lot of stress. It's going to be costly and expensive, 224 00:12:47,935 --> 00:12:50,775 Speaker 5: and evidence isn't completely all there yet. 225 00:12:51,375 --> 00:12:53,895 Speaker 1: This one is gonna maybe alarm a lot of people 226 00:12:53,935 --> 00:12:57,335 Speaker 1: who love to get their monthly manicure done. We've also 227 00:12:57,375 --> 00:12:59,255 Speaker 1: been told that maybe we should do away with nail 228 00:12:59,295 --> 00:13:04,175 Speaker 1: polish or anything that's heavily fragrance or has undisclosed number 229 00:13:04,215 --> 00:13:05,215 Speaker 1: of chemicals in them. 230 00:13:05,775 --> 00:13:09,255 Speaker 5: Again, this one, evidence is limited, So I wouldn't want 231 00:13:09,335 --> 00:13:13,455 Speaker 5: you like avoiding your manicures and pedicures because you're concerned, 232 00:13:13,735 --> 00:13:16,615 Speaker 5: and if you know, having nice snails makes you feel 233 00:13:16,615 --> 00:13:20,054 Speaker 5: good about yourself, go for it. Again, evidence is limited, 234 00:13:20,054 --> 00:13:22,295 Speaker 5: so I wouldn't really kind of put it in the 235 00:13:22,535 --> 00:13:23,775 Speaker 5: musk to do basket. 236 00:13:24,015 --> 00:13:27,735 Speaker 1: Of course, biohacking has to enter the conversation, and maybe 237 00:13:27,775 --> 00:13:30,495 Speaker 1: trimester zero is a good place to start thinking about 238 00:13:30,535 --> 00:13:32,815 Speaker 1: internally what's going on. But some people are going to 239 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:37,535 Speaker 1: extremes of wearing glucose monitors, which are obviously designed for diabetics, 240 00:13:37,575 --> 00:13:40,175 Speaker 1: but they're being worn to ensure that they don't have 241 00:13:40,535 --> 00:13:44,575 Speaker 1: insulin spikes that might inflame their eggs. Is that the 242 00:13:44,655 --> 00:13:46,814 Speaker 1: right terminology or even the right methodology. 243 00:13:47,375 --> 00:13:51,135 Speaker 5: No, Look, I think I love the trying to conceive period. 244 00:13:51,255 --> 00:13:54,175 Speaker 5: I hadn't heard of trimester zero prior to this conversation, 245 00:13:54,295 --> 00:13:57,135 Speaker 5: and I think that's the new commercial term. I really 246 00:13:57,375 --> 00:14:00,255 Speaker 5: hate this pathway that we're taking, and I think it's 247 00:14:00,295 --> 00:14:02,415 Speaker 5: going to be putting a lot of pressure on females. 248 00:14:02,655 --> 00:14:04,615 Speaker 5: They're going to see these things online and feel like 249 00:14:04,655 --> 00:14:07,375 Speaker 5: this is something I need to be doing. Obviously, we 250 00:14:07,495 --> 00:14:10,455 Speaker 5: know infertility rates arising, and a big part of that 251 00:14:10,615 --> 00:14:13,895 Speaker 5: has to do with, you know, females waiting to try 252 00:14:13,935 --> 00:14:16,695 Speaker 5: to conceive later in life. And that's completely fine. But 253 00:14:17,215 --> 00:14:20,775 Speaker 5: there are a lot of evidence based science when it 254 00:14:20,815 --> 00:14:23,375 Speaker 5: comes to trying to conceive and things that we should 255 00:14:23,455 --> 00:14:25,455 Speaker 5: do and things that we shouldn't do. I would put 256 00:14:25,455 --> 00:14:28,655 Speaker 5: this in the shouldn't do basket. Simply just visiting your 257 00:14:28,695 --> 00:14:31,415 Speaker 5: friendly GP is all that you need to do, having 258 00:14:31,455 --> 00:14:34,495 Speaker 5: the trying to conceive conversation, getting on top of chronic 259 00:14:34,495 --> 00:14:37,615 Speaker 5: health conditions and if you do have diabetes, and that's 260 00:14:37,655 --> 00:14:40,735 Speaker 5: a different conversation. But I think this is taking it 261 00:14:40,775 --> 00:14:43,775 Speaker 5: to a complete extreme level that we really don't need 262 00:14:43,855 --> 00:14:44,135 Speaker 5: to do. 263 00:14:44,375 --> 00:14:48,975 Speaker 1: Yeah, folks are heading out to get stool tests and 264 00:14:49,135 --> 00:14:52,495 Speaker 1: vaginal microbiome tests to make sure and I quote here 265 00:14:53,095 --> 00:14:55,615 Speaker 1: the soil is ready for the seed. 266 00:14:57,095 --> 00:15:00,535 Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. No, you don't need to do that. 267 00:15:00,815 --> 00:15:03,695 Speaker 5: You definitely don't need to do that. There's no evidence 268 00:15:03,775 --> 00:15:07,575 Speaker 5: behind it. It's just money. Yeah, this is what I 269 00:15:07,615 --> 00:15:11,495 Speaker 5: mean by it being commercialized. Don't fall for it. See 270 00:15:11,535 --> 00:15:14,255 Speaker 5: your GP. Your GPE will tell you exactly what you 271 00:15:14,335 --> 00:15:15,895 Speaker 5: need to do, what you need to take, and what 272 00:15:15,935 --> 00:15:16,975 Speaker 5: you need to change. 273 00:15:17,135 --> 00:15:20,415 Speaker 1: Okay, so head to your GP, have that preconception chat. 274 00:15:20,495 --> 00:15:23,015 Speaker 1: You've already given us so much advice. I've been speaking 275 00:15:23,055 --> 00:15:25,535 Speaker 1: to a couple of women who have had their children 276 00:15:25,575 --> 00:15:28,615 Speaker 1: sort of in that gen X and baby boomer age bracket, 277 00:15:28,655 --> 00:15:31,415 Speaker 1: and they say that their preconception advice was like you 278 00:15:31,495 --> 00:15:34,095 Speaker 1: maybe take a pre natal vitamin, and that was kind 279 00:15:34,095 --> 00:15:36,855 Speaker 1: of it. So are we just at the stage of overkill? 280 00:15:37,375 --> 00:15:41,455 Speaker 5: That is not the conversation anymore. So my trying to 281 00:15:41,575 --> 00:15:45,655 Speaker 5: conceive a preconception consults are quite long, and you know, 282 00:15:45,855 --> 00:15:48,335 Speaker 5: five years ago I was getting lots of females coming 283 00:15:48,335 --> 00:15:50,415 Speaker 5: in just saying I'm pregnant, and then, you know, we 284 00:15:50,495 --> 00:15:52,935 Speaker 5: haven't had a chance to have that conversation. But the 285 00:15:52,975 --> 00:15:55,335 Speaker 5: great thing about social media is that people are aware 286 00:15:55,415 --> 00:15:57,975 Speaker 5: now that they should be seeing their doctor prior to 287 00:15:58,415 --> 00:16:00,975 Speaker 5: wanting to have a baby, which is fantastic. And I 288 00:16:01,335 --> 00:16:04,575 Speaker 5: use this consult to like optimize their general health, which 289 00:16:04,615 --> 00:16:06,935 Speaker 5: is what you should be doing anyway. I kind of 290 00:16:06,975 --> 00:16:10,935 Speaker 5: structure it on their reproductive history, understanding their menstrual cycle, 291 00:16:11,055 --> 00:16:13,775 Speaker 5: making sure that they don't have any underlying conditions that 292 00:16:13,855 --> 00:16:17,615 Speaker 5: have been missed, like pecause any fireroid problems that might 293 00:16:17,775 --> 00:16:21,055 Speaker 5: affect their ability to conceive, and then just going through 294 00:16:21,095 --> 00:16:24,775 Speaker 5: social history like are you smoking, are you drinking? What's 295 00:16:24,815 --> 00:16:27,615 Speaker 5: your general lifestyle like and then giving advice on that 296 00:16:27,695 --> 00:16:29,655 Speaker 5: as well, because that's a big one as well. Obviously, 297 00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:33,655 Speaker 5: we want to be limiting alcohol season smoking. And then 298 00:16:33,735 --> 00:16:36,335 Speaker 5: in terms of medication, a lot of people on medications 299 00:16:36,375 --> 00:16:39,895 Speaker 5: that might affect the pregnancy and ap turing they're on 300 00:16:39,975 --> 00:16:43,975 Speaker 5: appropriate supplementation. When we say appropriate supplementation, it's not like 301 00:16:44,095 --> 00:16:48,135 Speaker 5: here's ten pregnancy supplements thousand dollars out of your pocket. No, 302 00:16:48,695 --> 00:16:50,575 Speaker 5: the ones that we really want them on are folic 303 00:16:50,655 --> 00:16:54,975 Speaker 5: acid and iodin. Most pregnancy supplements contain those, but some 304 00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:59,095 Speaker 5: females have iron deficiency or vitamin D deficiency and they 305 00:16:59,175 --> 00:17:02,455 Speaker 5: might need supplements if they're not getting those in their diet. 306 00:17:02,815 --> 00:17:04,935 Speaker 5: The other thing is just doing a general blood test 307 00:17:05,575 --> 00:17:09,614 Speaker 5: ensuring that they're immune to things like measles, months rebella varicella, 308 00:17:09,774 --> 00:17:12,415 Speaker 5: which is chicken pox. If they're not, then we've got 309 00:17:12,415 --> 00:17:16,014 Speaker 5: that window to give them the vaccinations and give them immunity. 310 00:17:16,254 --> 00:17:18,615 Speaker 5: And then that blood test can pick up other things 311 00:17:18,695 --> 00:17:20,894 Speaker 5: as well, which is fantastic, and it allows us to 312 00:17:20,935 --> 00:17:23,935 Speaker 5: optimize your whole prior to that period. And it's not 313 00:17:24,094 --> 00:17:29,534 Speaker 5: just about the female sperm matters too, right, So whenever 314 00:17:29,574 --> 00:17:32,494 Speaker 5: a female comes in for that conversation, I'm like, do 315 00:17:32,534 --> 00:17:34,455 Speaker 5: you have a male partner? She will say yes or no, 316 00:17:34,534 --> 00:17:37,254 Speaker 5: and if she does. On Mike Bisni here, his sperm 317 00:17:37,455 --> 00:17:39,574 Speaker 5: matters just as much as your egg and I should 318 00:17:39,574 --> 00:17:41,815 Speaker 5: be having this conversation with him as well. And then 319 00:17:41,854 --> 00:17:43,935 Speaker 5: genetic carrier screening. I don't want to miss that one. 320 00:17:43,975 --> 00:17:46,854 Speaker 5: That's a big conversation. I'm not sure if you're aware 321 00:17:46,854 --> 00:17:49,574 Speaker 5: of the Mackenzie mission, but now it's folk build and 322 00:17:49,614 --> 00:17:52,934 Speaker 5: we can counsel on whether or not their carrier and 323 00:17:52,975 --> 00:17:55,215 Speaker 5: if they want to do that genetic carrier screening, which 324 00:17:55,254 --> 00:17:57,535 Speaker 5: is a really important test, and you want to do 325 00:17:57,574 --> 00:18:00,614 Speaker 5: that in the window prior to getting pregnant, because it 326 00:18:00,655 --> 00:18:02,854 Speaker 5: can be quite stressful doing that test when you find 327 00:18:02,854 --> 00:18:03,655 Speaker 5: out you're pregnant. 328 00:18:04,175 --> 00:18:07,094 Speaker 1: The Internet loves a tree and they love to name things, 329 00:18:07,135 --> 00:18:11,814 Speaker 1: hence trimester zero or pre pregnancy panic. It feels like 330 00:18:11,975 --> 00:18:14,694 Speaker 1: this is a lot of extra stuff to add to 331 00:18:14,695 --> 00:18:16,534 Speaker 1: the to do list and it can actually be quite 332 00:18:16,655 --> 00:18:21,335 Speaker 1: disheartening for a lot of women who maybe having travel conceiving. 333 00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:25,094 Speaker 1: So when is the right time if you think that 334 00:18:25,135 --> 00:18:27,854 Speaker 1: you are having trouble conceiving or that might not be 335 00:18:27,895 --> 00:18:29,334 Speaker 1: going the way you want it to When is the 336 00:18:29,415 --> 00:18:31,374 Speaker 1: right time to go and see your GP about it. 337 00:18:31,695 --> 00:18:34,975 Speaker 5: We have defined timelines, so generally, if you're under the 338 00:18:34,975 --> 00:18:37,415 Speaker 5: age of thirty five and you've been trying to conceive 339 00:18:37,895 --> 00:18:41,534 Speaker 5: twelve months not working, come back see your doctor. Over 340 00:18:41,574 --> 00:18:44,174 Speaker 5: the age of thirty five, that's six months. But I 341 00:18:44,254 --> 00:18:46,854 Speaker 5: don't use that at all in my practice, and a 342 00:18:46,854 --> 00:18:49,895 Speaker 5: good GP won't. So if you're worried from one month, 343 00:18:50,054 --> 00:18:52,094 Speaker 5: you come and see me right away. We need to 344 00:18:52,175 --> 00:18:55,054 Speaker 5: kind of hash out that anxiety, try to understand what's happening. 345 00:18:55,094 --> 00:18:58,175 Speaker 5: And a lot of females haven't done that preconception bloods 346 00:18:58,175 --> 00:19:01,454 Speaker 5: will have that counseling done, so then I utilize that chat. 347 00:19:02,054 --> 00:19:04,894 Speaker 5: We have that preconception chat, we do the bloods. I 348 00:19:04,975 --> 00:19:07,655 Speaker 5: give you re assurance, and we check in every now 349 00:19:07,655 --> 00:19:10,014 Speaker 5: and again, and sometimes that's what we need. If you're 350 00:19:10,254 --> 00:19:13,054 Speaker 5: anxious or worried and you feel like the times ticking, 351 00:19:13,294 --> 00:19:15,135 Speaker 5: see your doctor. You don't have to wait for those 352 00:19:15,175 --> 00:19:16,454 Speaker 5: six or twelve months. 353 00:19:17,375 --> 00:19:19,574 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 354 00:19:19,655 --> 00:19:21,654 Speaker 1: us today. If you want to hear more from our 355 00:19:21,695 --> 00:19:24,814 Speaker 1: wonderful doctor Mariam, you can find her and Claire Murphy 356 00:19:24,935 --> 00:19:28,254 Speaker 1: diving deep into every corner of medicine and health over 357 00:19:28,455 --> 00:19:31,414 Speaker 1: on Well. I'll drop a link to that podcast in 358 00:19:31,455 --> 00:19:34,374 Speaker 1: our show notes today. 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