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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of new skincare because that's expensive too.

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Speaker 1: There is so much happening when you're pregnant.

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Speaker 2: Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 3: guilty a body. Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the

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Speaker 3: daily podcast for your Face. I'm Aaron Dockerty and welcome

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Speaker 3: to the formula. Every week, I sit down with celebs

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Speaker 3: and some of the biggest names in beauty and take

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Speaker 3: a look into their skincare routines. Now, as you guys

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Speaker 3: may know, our You Beauty Facebook group has over eighty

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Speaker 3: thousand people currently and I'm always looking through there to

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Speaker 3: see what areas you guys are looking for help with,

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Speaker 3: and a topic that comes up a lot is pregnancy skin.

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Speaker 3: I see story after story about you guys struggling with hyperpigmentation, melasma, acne,

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Speaker 3: or people who've always had perfectly good skin and suddenly

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Speaker 3: dealing with an excess of oil. And of course some

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Speaker 3: of these changes are expected, but I see a lot

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Speaker 3: of women looking for help but not knowing where to start.

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Speaker 3: And as it turns out, pregnancy skin care is a

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Speaker 3: lot more than just not using retinol. Today, I'm sitting

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Speaker 3: down with Yodeira or Yads Cauchy. She's a dermal therapist, nutritionist,

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Speaker 3: and beauty journalist who specializes in simplifying and demystifying skin

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Speaker 3: health at her Canbra clinic, Yads Couchy skin Health and Nutrition.

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Speaker 3: So today Yads is here to run through the common

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Speaker 3: the pregnancy marketing traps that she wants you to stop

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Speaker 3: buying into. So if you're pregnant or know someone who is,

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Speaker 3: send this to them and strap in because this is

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Speaker 3: your one stop shop for pregnancy skin one oh one.

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Speaker 2: You are such beautiful skill But how.

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Speaker 3: Yads, thank you so much for joining us today. I

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Speaker 3: can't wait to pick your brain about all things pregnancy

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Speaker 3: skin care. But I want to start by talking about

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Speaker 3: your job as a dermal therapist. How do you help

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Speaker 1: As a dermal therapist, I basically combine skin health education

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Speaker 1: But we do it in clinic, we can do it online,

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Speaker 3: And what are some of the most common skin concerns

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Speaker 3: do you see pregnant women coming to your clinic for.

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Speaker 1: Your skin goes wild when you're pregnant, And honestly, it

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Speaker 1: even if you have really normal skin and you've been

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Speaker 3: What a little demon. But I think that's one of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's really important to look after

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Speaker 1: So what I mean by that is like terrosinase inhibiting

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Speaker 1: Changing your skin care? Like listening to your skin. I

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Speaker 1: Brands that don't have a lot of fragrance and that

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Speaker 1: these different actives because again, the sensitivity could also be

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Speaker 1: an issue. But niceicinamide is a really, really great ingredient

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Speaker 3: I think I think it's so confusing because, yeah, as

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Speaker 3: Speaking about salicilic acid, do you have any recommendations in

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Speaker 1: I love this Medicaid press and clear. I think it's

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Speaker 1: called it's like two percent BHA tona. There's also a

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Speaker 1: Cosmetics tona that has sealasilic acid and nice cinnamide in

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Speaker 1: it Clarity. I think it's called I'm not one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent sure in that name, but they're really great products

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Speaker 1: you don't need to use them all over your face either.

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Speaker 1: You can just kind of like target treat the areas

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Speaker 1: of concern. And Laches have an FCLA cleanser as well,

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to say chemical peels, like light, chemical

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Speaker 3: It's a very hyped up ingredient. So that's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: It was so great to talk about things pregnancy, skin care.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I have loved being on.

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Speaker 3: That's all for today's show, and I hope you guys

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