WEBVTT - Seize The Bébé // Starting Solids (Part 2) 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.200 Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy, 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.880 but tired and worn, just some of the feelings when 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.520 baby is born. There's magic, elation, there's chaos and tears, 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.200 but everyone goes through the same hopes and fears. So 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.240 this is a segment we hope helps you feel supported 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.360 and valid. The mum juggles real, the good, bad, the ugly, 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.960 the best and worst day. It's part of the journey 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.479 to seize the Babe. I'm Sarah Davidson, a lawyer turned 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.880 entrepreneur who hung up the suits and heels to co 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.800 found Macha Maiden a Macha Milk Bar, become a TV 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.720 and radio presenter, and of course, host The Sees the 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.680 Ya Podcast. This year, I added motherhood to that list, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.559 which is the best job I've ever had with our 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.760 beautiful baby Teddy, and this segment was designed to house 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.200 all the conversations we've been having about parenthood. We'll still 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.760 do our regular episodes and just like real life, it's 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.479 a constant balance between our parent identity and everything else. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.120 I hope you guys enjoy this segment as much as 0:00:54.160 --> 0:01:02.600 I have enjoyed creating it. Hello, Lovely neighborhood. This is 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.640 part two of our hotly awaited episode of Seize the 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.440 Bebe on starting solids with the founder of Nourishing Bubs 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.160 and pediatric dietician Olivia Bates. We just covered so much 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.280 detail on so many different topics and elements to this 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.600 very overwhelming area of parenting that I decided to split 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.320 it in two. So the last episode covered when to 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.000 start solids and the methods, sort of the landscape on 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.200 pures versus baby ledweening and all of your questions on 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.640 those areas, and then this episode will cover off some 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.080 of the sleep questions, but mainly it will focus on allergens. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.520 If you haven't listened to part one, this does follow 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.160 on from that, so please go back and listen to 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.280 that first. And as always, every baby is different and 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.880 every family has different preferences, priorities and needs, so this 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.280 is all more general information and of course it will 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.760 vary for each individual. I hope that you guys enjoy 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.200 and find it as useful as I did, and links 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.800 to everything will be in the show notes. So one 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.000 of the really big questions was how does the introduction 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.080 of solids interact with sleep? And I think a lot 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.520 of the like definitely what's happened with Teddy is it 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.920 has helped him sleep better, like longer stretches because he 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.600 was wanting more food and he wasn't getting enough. But 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.880 that's just anecdotal. What is your sort of answer as 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.520 a pediatric dietician. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:23.160 Look, it's definitely anecdotal. People definitely like, yeah, the four 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.360 months sleep regression and then you'll introduce solids and everything 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.920 will be great. But literally like, yes, you might have 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.839 introduced solids because they've had this the you know, four 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.000 month sleep regression, and then yes, you might suddenly they 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.519 have a great sleep. But then and people like, oh, 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.920 I'm going to keep doing that, like that's the answer, 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.880 But it is very anecdotal. There's no like strong evidence 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.600 to say that that is the reason. Like naturally, yes, 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.680 they are hungry because obviously you know overnight it is 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:49.960 well in the morning you're breaking the fast, Like it 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.880 is a long stretch them to go without food. It 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.240 definitely does help, and it is the reason that I say, 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.160 like we talked about how you do the flip, So 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.359 when you flip and start solids before milk, what will 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.680 naturally happen is you'll naturally like they'll start to you know, 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.040 drop some milk feed, or they'll start taking less and 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.840 less at a feed, they'll be on the breast for 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.760 less time. And what this means that you know, they're 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.640 not getting as much because they're able to you know, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.840 get more energy, more nutrients from their solid food. And 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.160 it doesn't really matter at what point, like over the 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.480 course of the day that you are losing those feeds. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.000 The only one I always say to try and hold 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.600 onto is that dinner time, like sorry, before bed milk 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.840 feed because it will ideally help them sleep through. So 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.600 that sometimes that means you might need to move your 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.800 dinner time meal to say like four thirty or five, 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:39.760 so that by the time that you put them down 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.960 for bed, that they would have like a full milk feed. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.200 Because also milk like is easier to digest, so it's 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.480 not going to have any interruption on their sleep like 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.440 some naturally, you know, as with adults, like sometimes you 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.120 can have a food that might mess with your tummy 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.400 a little bit and then interrupts with your feed thing, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.280 whereas like a milk feed is usually digested better, so 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.320 they can have a full rest or bottle feed before 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.560 sleep that will usually help them sleep. But it's not 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.680 like a magic yeah, a magic fix, but it definitely 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:09.720 impacts and you know, I do say to people it 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.880 can be really helpful to keep a like a food 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.800 diary and also write any changes to their you know, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.720 stool their sleep because you know there might be an 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.640 interruption and if they, for example, have an intolerance is 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.080 something like maybe they've had something like broccoli or onions 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.760 that are high in pod maps and that has interrupted 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.760 with their tummy a bit. And like as we know, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.440 like if you have a bit of a sort tummy 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.920 or that can interrupt your sleep. So you know, being 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.920 aware of any triggers to that can also be really helpful. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.800 So yeah, definitely plays a part in sleep. But unfortunately, no, 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.680 it's not the magic like to like the sleep progression. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:46.839 I'm sorry to break your heart. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.360 I mean it did break my heart at the time. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.800 It's it's all anecdotal, but you yeah, it's like they 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.400 are hungry, so it's just like you know, finding what works. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.480 But generally we do find you know, still being able 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.760 to have a full milk bottle to get them through 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.480 the night will really help them. But you know, getting 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.760 them enough food over the course of the day as well. 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.480 And you mentioned intolerances, which leads really nicely to the 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.120 big section on allergens. But before we get there, just 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.120 one more question about the sleep thing. Is there like 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.560 a gap that you should leave between their last meal 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.200 and putting them down digestion wise, like because milk is 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.120 so much easier, you know, you can kind of feed 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.680 them and then they can go straight to bed. But 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.240 with a meal, is there like it shouldn't be within 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.160 ten minutes, like they need to have a little crawl around. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.800 Like for me personally, I can't like go straight to 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.599 sleep after I eat dinner, so like is there a time? 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.080 Look, there's no set thing. I mean I would just 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.240 for the reason that you just said, I wouldn't be 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.800 wanting to eat mealt like my meal. And then I 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:46.640 think it's nice to sort of almost have like a 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.039 wind down like routine. And I know that I've heard, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.040 you know, sleep specialists speak about this, and they're probably 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.840 more you know, educated on this to know, but would say, 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.800 you know, usually you might do dinner and then you 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.839 would like bath them, and you know, bath time becomes 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:02.760 like wine down and you know, like and I also think, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.440 just from a mess perspective, you probably want to I know, 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.000 some people do like bath them before dinner, but I would. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.560 Probably know I'd have to after yeah. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.680 Yeah, it's too messy, too messy, and then that like 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.680 that gets them into a lull and so you and 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:17.640 usually you know by the time you go through that, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.599 that's kind of like I'd be ideally aiming for an hour, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.040 like but I think also if you're finding that they're 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.480 not sleeping through, I think it's then moveing dinner earlier, 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.640 so you know, dinner then become might have to be 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.080 two and a half hours before, so that then you 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.600 can do it. I think it's fine to give a 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.680 bottle or a breastfeed before they go down, because they're 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.520 quite used to that. I'd probably leave, you know, a 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.920 minimum of an hour from dinner to bedtime, you know, 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.800 if you can just for exactly the same reason you said, 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.200 I think you know, when you just eat and you 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.120 just want to sort of digest. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.440 A bit, Yeah, perfect, all right, allergens. Now this is 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.279 we haven't sort of weaved this into the rest of 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.960 the introduction to food, but this is probably the most 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.039 stress inducing part of starting a little bove on food. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.200 And I think you explaining what your intro to Allergen's 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.960 pack is kind of explains the best way to do it. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.560 But before we get into that, the first question is 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.120 if a parent is allergic to dairy or nuts or something, 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.480 will the kids be And regardless of that answer, what 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.920 is your advice on if you're allergic then giving it 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:22.680 to your children? 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.720 Great questions. So we definitely know that there's a genetic 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.800 association between parents having analogies and the child developing allergies. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.680 So look, allergies are still very much an area of 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.160 research and a lot's being done for it. Australia, unfortunately, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.360 is the allergy capital of the world, so we are 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.760 you know, our government does spend a lot. That's so weird, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.160 it's so wild. But so we know that, like if 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.920 one parent has an allergy, your child would suddenly become 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.680 a moderate risk. If two parents had allergies, and it 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.840 doesn't necessarily need to be like a food allergy, it 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.040 could be like asthma or x smile like or a 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.400 dust allergy, So any type of allergy will make them 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.000 a precursor for or having allergies. Unfortunately, so they then 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.360 would become increased risks. So two parents with allergies becomes 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.240 a high risk child in saying that it is still 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.080 advised that you go ahead and introduce all of those 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.720 allergens by the time that they're twelve months of age. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.520 You know, you are encouraged because just because you know 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.760 mum has a pen ad allergy doesn't necessarily mean bubbile 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.800 develop a pen ad allergy, but they're definitely at higher 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.920 risk of developing analogy. It might be a milk allergy, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.520 an egg allergy. It's not necessarily what they had, but 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.840 understandably the anxiety is very much much higher for those parents. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.840 I find it is encouraged to try and introduce that 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.959 food to them because it you know, the research is 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:41.840 showing that if you get them exposed to it and 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.240 expose them to it early, it can definitely, you know, 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.920 reduce the risk of them developing the allergy themselves. Obviously, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.840 if they're anaphylactic, precautions definitely need to be taken to 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.400 prevent the parent having an anaphylectic reaction while offering it 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.720 to the child. So you know, if Mum was allergic, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.000 I would be getting Dad to probably offer it and 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.360 you know, just being obviously really careful about it, or 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.840 someone else have like a parent or whatever introducing it 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.280 to avoid you know, any potential anaphalactic reactions, so you know, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.440 precautions unfortunately would have to be made, but you know, 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.360 we do ideally want to get them exposed to that 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.080 food to prevent them also developing those food allergies. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.959 Oh my goodness, would you buy can you buy an 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.040 EpiPen just in case a child is anaphylectic to something 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.840 that you aren't or no one knew that they would be. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.800 I don't know whether you can. It's definitely not standard 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.840 practice to do so, and you're not like people have 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.760 definitely asked me this because you do need to get 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.480 a script for it. Whether they would give you a 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.480 script for it when there's no reason for it, I'm 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.440 not sure that they would. But because anaphylactic reactions, although 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.760 they can definitely happen, they are like there's a much 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.679 lower chance of them. But getting something like a baby 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.640 antihistamine would be, you know, something to have on hand, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.160 and that's a great option, and that's for something you'd 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.880 use for more mild reactions, which are obviously more common, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.000 But having an EpiPen on hand is not standard practic. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.120 Great, thank you. I think that was something a lot 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.800 of parents sort of asked, can you have an EpiPen? 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.440 Should you drive outside the hospital and wait there and 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.040 do it outside the hospital? 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.320 You know, yeah, the hospital one is common. I mean, 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.240 doctors encourage you not to do it, but I understand 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.440 you know that anxiety is there. I always say, look, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.439 if you live near a hospital, or it doesn't even 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.720 need to be a hospital or GP like GPS obviously 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.280 have them on hands like one. There is time if 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.680 you live rurally though, for example, if you lived half 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.600 an hour away from any medical attention, then yeah, maybe 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.680 you would go and sit out, Like I can understand, 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.719 I probably would because half an hour is a long 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.680 time to get to medical treatment. So if I lived, 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.200 you know, rurally or further out, I probably would go 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.920 and do it like that. But aside from that, that's 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.760 definitely not standard practice. It can, you know, cause a 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.440 bit more maybe anxiety than is necessary around it. I think, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:52.880 you know, trying to do it in the comfort of 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.520 your home can also be just just better, just trying 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.439 to keep the whole situation calm. I definitely make sure 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.560 another adult is home, whether or a lot, your partner 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.640 or your mom or someone. Obviously, if a reaction does occur, 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.439 you know, it's scary, and one of you should be 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.880 on the phone trip or zero while phone ones with 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.240 the baby or whatever. So having someone else there also 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.439 with the allergency is really important to like offer them 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.080 in the first half of the day so that you 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.240 can watch for that reaction. We're talking about making sure 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.760 you're not putting them straight down for a sleep. So 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.760 that's really important for just when you are introducing the 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.800 allergens because otherwise, you know, if something does happen or 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.200 like you go and give them the food for the 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.560 first time at dinner time and then it's peaking. You know, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.040 often when you're feeding your baby dinner, that's like peak 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.680 hour traffic. So then to try and get to the 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.080 hospital at that time. So it's some of it's just 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.640 really like you know, practical advice definitely for those high 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.080 risk children. You know, like also things like don't go 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.160 and do it on a long weekend, or don't decide 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.000 to go and go camping and try being up by 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.200 a sandwich is like that it's just not a good idea, 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.440 but let's be honest, but ideally in your own look 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.320 in the comfort of your own home with someone else 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:56.920 in the first half of the day is what my 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.600 general you know, the guidelines are. 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.560 Okay, You're allergen kit made this process, which as you 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:08.199 can see, is very shrouded in anxiety for like understandable 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:13.640 reasons for every parent. Your kit made it so easy, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.080 like so easy because the instructions are so clear, the 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.760 form factor is so easy. You can mix it in. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.920 So talk to us about what the kit is, how 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.200 that works, with how many times you're introducing each elogen, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.760 how separated they should be between each allergen, and then 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.840 you know the tree nut maintenance kits. Talk us through 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:31.319 all of it. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.200 Amazing. Okay, So because we have the veggie Start pack 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.640 people were asking, like, I wish you have this like 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:41.200 an allergen form. So like people obviously understandably really scared 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.959 and there is a bit of confusion like what are 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.920 the allergens? So like, as I said, any food can 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.000 be an allergen, but when we talk about the allergens, 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.079 they're responsible for ninety percent of allergies worldwide, so that 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.480 what we call our most common allergens they have to 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.160 be called out on packaging. But I found particularly around 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.440 things like the tree nuts, so like I'd hear of 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.720 GPS in like, oh, just give your baby like ABC 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.360 butter and like that'll expose them, and I'm like, one, 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.520 that's not all the tree nuts too. You don't want 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.800 to like give them all together because if they have 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.120 a reaction, then which one of they had a reaction to, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.160 and then you've got to cut it out and it's 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.520 really hard. Also understandably people were really anxious, so then 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.959 they're just putting it off. Part of the reason there's 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.840 a lot of confusion around it is prior to twenty sixteen, 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.120 they used to say, don't introduce their allergens before the 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.960 chart is won. Now all the research has shown you know, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.440 you need to introduce them early. They think that part 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.040 of the reason we've seen such a spiking allergies, particularly 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.360 in Australia, is because of this advice, which meant that 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.760 you know, people not building up that exposure to it. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.400 So now what the So we created this pack and 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.520 we launched about eighteen months ago where everything is in 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.800 like a powdered form, So with the nuts it's like 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.600 ground nuts because obviously you need to make sure it's 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.720 the correct format for bub You don't want to give 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.000 them a whole nut because it's a choking hazard. So 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.720 like all your different tree nuts like pine nuts, et cetera, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.920 all like a ground format, so then you can just 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.920 like mix it into the pure or if you're doing 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.719 maybe letter winning, like you could get something like a 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.720 piece of avocado and just like roll it in so 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.600 that they are eating it. And it just made it 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.080 really easy because people like, yeah, I just I don't 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:10.480 know what they are, I don't know how to do it. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:11.880 How do I do? Then? How do I buy the 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.600 nuts separately? Like you know, do I need to go 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.800 and buy nine different nut butters? Like that's very expensive 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.040 as well. So it was like just I wanted to 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.280 make it really easy and practical. The guidelines to introduce 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.240 them are so they say they want you to do 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.760 it over three exposures. The reason for this is the 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.360 first exposure is they often won't react because it's what 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.160 we call a sensitization, so it might only be on 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.560 the second exposure, So they recommend doing three exposures. This 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.720 is the Askier guidelines. I know that the Royal Melbourne 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.160 Hospital they actually do a six step exposure, so they 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.600 just they break it up a little bit more. You 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.440 can definitely do that. So the ASCI guidelines though, which 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.920 is what we use on our pack are they recommend 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.920 starting with a quarter of a teaspoon of the allergen, 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.160 so you would just get a quarter of a teaspoon 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:54.840 and whether or not you use our pack or like 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.520 you know, you do it you buy them yourself, or 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.800 you do something like with eggs, for example, you can 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.520 get a hard boiled egg. Now you want to make 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.480 sure you mix the egg yolk and the egg white 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.480 and mash it all together, or use it like our 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:06.960 egg powder, but you get a quarter of a tea 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.040 spoon and mix it into a previously tolerated pure so 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:11.920 you know, making sure it's only one new thing that 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.200 they're trying, making sure it's the first half of the day, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.440 and you start with that quarter of a teaspoon. I 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.000 usually find it easier just to aim for one allergien 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.480 per week. It allows you enough time between six and 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.560 twelve months to get through them all with a few 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.600 weeks for like, you know, if they're sick or you're 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.680 on holidays or whatever, so there's a few weeks buffer. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.680 They recommend doing three exposures, so usually it's better just 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.880 to do it over one week, and I find just 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.920 three consecutive days is the easiest, just doing you know, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.880 starting with your quarter of a teaspoon, then you want 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.600 to increase to half a tea spoon and then go 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.200 to one tea spoon, so you know, because you need 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.120 to watch them for two hours and then by that time, 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.800 you know, if you did it on the same day, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.080 they'd be getting into the afternoon, so if they did 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.160 have a reaction, stop really practical, So if you do 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:56.240 like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or whatever works for you. Otherwise 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.320 do like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, just keeping it in the 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.360 same week. Also, you can just tick it and then 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:03.920 move on to the next one. If you do like 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.200 hazeer ut today and then you're like, oh, we're going 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.040 to do peanut, and then it's like, oh, how many 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.520 did we get to? Like, which is why we also 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.080 like do the thing to tick it off, you do 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.080 the three exposures and usually after the three exposures, we're like, okay, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.560 provided there's no reaction, we go, Yay, there's no reaction, 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.560 and we can tick that one off. The thing though, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.120 is you also then need to keep up exposure, so 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.680 you know, and we call this like maintenance. And the 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.120 reason is that if you offer the you know, expose 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:30.800 them to the allergen, and then you don't give it 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.960 to them for like six months, they can then actually 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.880 you know, still develop an allergy allergy to it. It's 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.880 because there's so much going on, so much grows, so 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.600 many changes that you know, so they say, you know, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.480 you need to keep it up at the moment. Look, 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.000 there's no heart and fast like until what age, but 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.280 some of the evidence does suggest till five years of age, 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.560 and so they say, if you can ideally offer it 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.120 twice weekly until they're five years of age, and just 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.720 like a teaspoon twice weekly with something like the train outs, 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.600 I found that people, you know, they're like, well, we 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.760 don't eat brazil nuts or something, or we don't regularly 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.760 eat them like you know, you might not like, I mean, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.159 I eat a lot of nuts in my house, or 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.719 but I know, like not all households do, and so 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.639 they might be like, oh, how do I keep that up? 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:12.879 Like? 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.720 You know, So that's why we created the train ut mix. 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.760 It's obviously not suitable if your child has a has 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.040 a reaction unfortunately to any of the train outs. It 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.679 would therefore not be suitable. But otherwise it's just a 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.800 mix of all the train outs they've been blended. It's 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.479 like a meal that you can just stir into their 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.920 food strains, their porridge, bake into muffins. It's just like 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.400 an easy way to keep up that exposure. But otherwise, yeah, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.000 you can also like blend to whole lot of nuts 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.280 yourself to do that, especially if you don't eat a 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.040 lot of nuts or you don't have like, you know, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.560 lots of nut butters and things in your house. There's 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.119 no hard and fast rule in terms of like the 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.240 order in which you should introduce them, but there is 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.919 the most research around egg and peanut because they're the 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.119 most common allergens, and they do say to ideally introduce 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.199 egg by the time they're eight months and peanuts by 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.760 the time they're ten months. Other than that, it's just 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.919 recommended to eat in the frequency in which you have 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:02.960 it in your household. So that might mean you get 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.840 something like you know, you might do wheat early, and 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.080 wheat currently is not in the pack, although we might 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.000