Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy,
Speaker 1: but tired and worn, just some of the feelings when
Speaker 1: baby is born. There's magic, elation, there's chaos and tears,
Speaker 1: but everyone goes through the same hopes and fears. So
Speaker 1: this is a segment we hope helps you feel supported
Speaker 1: and valid. The mum juggles real, the good, bad, the ugly,
Speaker 1: the best and worst day. It's part of the journey
Speaker 1: to seize the Babe. I'm Sarah Davidson, a lawyer turned
Speaker 1: entrepreneur who hung up the suits and heels to co
Speaker 1: found Macha Maiden a Macha Milk Bar, become a TV
Speaker 1: and radio presenter, and of course, host The Sees the
Speaker 1: Ya Podcast. This year, I added motherhood to that list,
Speaker 1: which is the best job I've ever had with our
Speaker 1: beautiful baby Teddy, and this segment was designed to house
Speaker 1: all the conversations we've been having about parenthood. We'll still
Speaker 1: do our regular episodes and just like real life, it's
Speaker 1: a constant balance between our parent identity and everything else.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy this segment as much as
Speaker 1: I have enjoyed creating it. Hello, Lovely neighborhood. This is
Speaker 1: part two of our hotly awaited episode of Seize the
Speaker 1: Bebe on starting solids with the founder of Nourishing Bubs
Speaker 1: and pediatric dietician Olivia Bates. We just covered so much
Speaker 1: detail on so many different topics and elements to this
Speaker 1: very overwhelming area of parenting that I decided to split
Speaker 1: it in two. So the last episode covered when to
Speaker 1: start solids and the methods, sort of the landscape on
Speaker 1: pures versus baby ledweening and all of your questions on
Speaker 1: those areas, and then this episode will cover off some
Speaker 1: of the sleep questions, but mainly it will focus on allergens.
Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to part one, this does follow
Speaker 1: on from that, so please go back and listen to
Speaker 1: that first. And as always, every baby is different and
Speaker 1: every family has different preferences, priorities and needs, so this
Speaker 1: is all more general information and of course it will
Speaker 1: vary for each individual. I hope that you guys enjoy
Speaker 1: and find it as useful as I did, and links
Speaker 1: to everything will be in the show notes. So one
Speaker 1: of the really big questions was how does the introduction
Speaker 1: of solids interact with sleep? And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the like definitely what's happened with Teddy is it
Speaker 1: has helped him sleep better, like longer stretches because he
Speaker 1: was wanting more food and he wasn't getting enough. But
Speaker 1: that's just anecdotal. What is your sort of answer as
Speaker 1: a pediatric dietician.
Speaker 2: Look, it's definitely anecdotal. People definitely like, yeah, the four
Speaker 2: months sleep regression and then you'll introduce solids and everything
Speaker 2: will be great. But literally like, yes, you might have
Speaker 2: introduced solids because they've had this the you know, four
Speaker 2: month sleep regression, and then yes, you might suddenly they
Speaker 2: have a great sleep. But then and people like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep doing that, like that's the answer,
Speaker 2: But it is very anecdotal. There's no like strong evidence
Speaker 2: to say that that is the reason. Like naturally, yes,
Speaker 2: they are hungry because obviously you know overnight it is
Speaker 2: well in the morning you're breaking the fast, Like it
Speaker 2: is a long stretch them to go without food. It
Speaker 2: definitely does help, and it is the reason that I say,
Speaker 2: like we talked about how you do the flip, So
Speaker 2: when you flip and start solids before milk, what will
Speaker 2: naturally happen is you'll naturally like they'll start to you know,
Speaker 2: drop some milk feed, or they'll start taking less and
Speaker 2: less at a feed, they'll be on the breast for
Speaker 2: less time. And what this means that you know, they're
Speaker 2: not getting as much because they're able to you know,
Speaker 2: get more energy, more nutrients from their solid food. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter at what point, like over the
Speaker 2: course of the day that you are losing those feeds.
Speaker 2: The only one I always say to try and hold
Speaker 2: onto is that dinner time, like sorry, before bed milk
Speaker 2: feed because it will ideally help them sleep through. So
Speaker 2: that sometimes that means you might need to move your
Speaker 2: dinner time meal to say like four thirty or five,
Speaker 2: so that by the time that you put them down
Speaker 2: for bed, that they would have like a full milk feed.
Speaker 2: Because also milk like is easier to digest, so it's
Speaker 2: not going to have any interruption on their sleep like
Speaker 2: some naturally, you know, as with adults, like sometimes you
Speaker 2: can have a food that might mess with your tummy
Speaker 2: a little bit and then interrupts with your feed thing,
Speaker 2: whereas like a milk feed is usually digested better, so
Speaker 2: they can have a full rest or bottle feed before
Speaker 2: sleep that will usually help them sleep. But it's not
Speaker 2: like a magic yeah, a magic fix, but it definitely
Speaker 2: impacts and you know, I do say to people it
Speaker 2: can be really helpful to keep a like a food
Speaker 2: diary and also write any changes to their you know,
Speaker 2: stool their sleep because you know there might be an
Speaker 2: interruption and if they, for example, have an intolerance is
Speaker 2: something like maybe they've had something like broccoli or onions
Speaker 2: that are high in pod maps and that has interrupted
Speaker 2: with their tummy a bit. And like as we know,
Speaker 2: like if you have a bit of a sort tummy
Speaker 2: or that can interrupt your sleep. So you know, being
Speaker 2: aware of any triggers to that can also be really helpful.
Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely plays a part in sleep. But unfortunately, no,
Speaker 2: it's not the magic like to like the sleep progression.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to break your heart.
Speaker 1: I mean it did break my heart at the time.
Speaker 2: It's it's all anecdotal, but you yeah, it's like they
Speaker 2: are hungry, so it's just like you know, finding what works.
Speaker 2: But generally we do find you know, still being able
Speaker 2: to have a full milk bottle to get them through
Speaker 2: the night will really help them. But you know, getting
Speaker 2: them enough food over the course of the day as well.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned intolerances, which leads really nicely to the
Speaker 1: big section on allergens. But before we get there, just
Speaker 1: one more question about the sleep thing. Is there like
Speaker 1: a gap that you should leave between their last meal
Speaker 1: and putting them down digestion wise, like because milk is
Speaker 1: so much easier, you know, you can kind of feed
Speaker 1: them and then they can go straight to bed. But
Speaker 1: with a meal, is there like it shouldn't be within
Speaker 1: ten minutes, like they need to have a little crawl around.
Speaker 1: Like for me personally, I can't like go straight to
Speaker 1: sleep after I eat dinner, so like is there a time?
Speaker 2: Look, there's no set thing. I mean I would just
Speaker 2: for the reason that you just said, I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: wanting to eat mealt like my meal. And then I
Speaker 2: think it's nice to sort of almost have like a
Speaker 2: wind down like routine. And I know that I've heard,
Speaker 2: you know, sleep specialists speak about this, and they're probably
Speaker 2: more you know, educated on this to know, but would say,
Speaker 2: you know, usually you might do dinner and then you
Speaker 2: would like bath them, and you know, bath time becomes
Speaker 2: like wine down and you know, like and I also think,
Speaker 2: just from a mess perspective, you probably want to I know,
Speaker 2: some people do like bath them before dinner, but I would.
Speaker 1: Probably know I'd have to after yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too messy, too messy, and then that like
Speaker 2: that gets them into a lull and so you and
Speaker 2: usually you know by the time you go through that,
Speaker 2: that's kind of like I'd be ideally aiming for an hour,
Speaker 2: like but I think also if you're finding that they're
Speaker 2: not sleeping through, I think it's then moveing dinner earlier,
Speaker 2: so you know, dinner then become might have to be
Speaker 2: two and a half hours before, so that then you
Speaker 2: can do it. I think it's fine to give a
Speaker 2: bottle or a breastfeed before they go down, because they're
Speaker 2: quite used to that. I'd probably leave, you know, a
Speaker 2: minimum of an hour from dinner to bedtime, you know,
Speaker 2: if you can just for exactly the same reason you said,
Speaker 2: I think you know, when you just eat and you
Speaker 2: just want to sort of digest.
Speaker 1: A bit, Yeah, perfect, all right, allergens. Now this is
Speaker 1: we haven't sort of weaved this into the rest of
Speaker 1: the introduction to food, but this is probably the most
Speaker 1: stress inducing part of starting a little bove on food.
Speaker 1: And I think you explaining what your intro to Allergen's
Speaker 1: pack is kind of explains the best way to do it.
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, the first question is
Speaker 1: if a parent is allergic to dairy or nuts or something,
Speaker 1: will the kids be And regardless of that answer, what
Speaker 1: is your advice on if you're allergic then giving it
Speaker 1: to your children?
Speaker 2: Great questions. So we definitely know that there's a genetic
Speaker 2: association between parents having analogies and the child developing allergies.
Speaker 2: So look, allergies are still very much an area of
Speaker 2: research and a lot's being done for it. Australia, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: is the allergy capital of the world, so we are
Speaker 2: you know, our government does spend a lot. That's so weird,
Speaker 2: it's so wild. But so we know that, like if
Speaker 2: one parent has an allergy, your child would suddenly become
Speaker 2: a moderate risk. If two parents had allergies, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily need to be like a food allergy, it
Speaker 2: could be like asthma or x smile like or a
Speaker 2: dust allergy, So any type of allergy will make them
Speaker 2: a precursor for or having allergies. Unfortunately, so they then
Speaker 2: would become increased risks. So two parents with allergies becomes
Speaker 2: a high risk child in saying that it is still
Speaker 2: advised that you go ahead and introduce all of those
Speaker 2: allergens by the time that they're twelve months of age.
Speaker 2: You know, you are encouraged because just because you know
Speaker 2: mum has a pen ad allergy doesn't necessarily mean bubbile
Speaker 2: develop a pen ad allergy, but they're definitely at higher
Speaker 2: risk of developing analogy. It might be a milk allergy,
Speaker 2: an egg allergy. It's not necessarily what they had, but
Speaker 2: understandably the anxiety is very much much higher for those parents.
Speaker 2: I find it is encouraged to try and introduce that
Speaker 2: food to them because it you know, the research is
Speaker 2: showing that if you get them exposed to it and
Speaker 2: expose them to it early, it can definitely, you know,
Speaker 2: reduce the risk of them developing the allergy themselves. Obviously,
Speaker 2: if they're anaphylactic, precautions definitely need to be taken to
Speaker 2: prevent the parent having an anaphylectic reaction while offering it
Speaker 2: to the child. So you know, if Mum was allergic,
Speaker 2: I would be getting Dad to probably offer it and
Speaker 2: you know, just being obviously really careful about it, or
Speaker 2: someone else have like a parent or whatever introducing it
Speaker 2: to avoid you know, any potential anaphalactic reactions, so you know,
Speaker 2: precautions unfortunately would have to be made, but you know,
Speaker 2: we do ideally want to get them exposed to that
Speaker 2: food to prevent them also developing those food allergies.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, would you buy can you buy an
Speaker 1: EpiPen just in case a child is anaphylectic to something
Speaker 1: that you aren't or no one knew that they would be.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether you can. It's definitely not standard
Speaker 2: practice to do so, and you're not like people have
Speaker 2: definitely asked me this because you do need to get
Speaker 2: a script for it. Whether they would give you a
Speaker 2: script for it when there's no reason for it, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure that they would. But because anaphylactic reactions, although
Speaker 2: they can definitely happen, they are like there's a much
Speaker 2: lower chance of them. But getting something like a baby
Speaker 2: antihistamine would be, you know, something to have on hand,
Speaker 2: and that's a great option, and that's for something you'd
Speaker 2: use for more mild reactions, which are obviously more common,
Speaker 2: But having an EpiPen on hand is not standard practic.
Speaker 1: Great, thank you. I think that was something a lot
Speaker 1: of parents sort of asked, can you have an EpiPen?
Speaker 1: Should you drive outside the hospital and wait there and
Speaker 1: do it outside the hospital?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, the hospital one is common. I mean,
Speaker 2: doctors encourage you not to do it, but I understand
Speaker 2: you know that anxiety is there. I always say, look,
Speaker 2: if you live near a hospital, or it doesn't even
Speaker 2: need to be a hospital or GP like GPS obviously
Speaker 2: have them on hands like one. There is time if
Speaker 2: you live rurally though, for example, if you lived half
Speaker 2: an hour away from any medical attention, then yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: you would go and sit out, Like I can understand,
Speaker 2: I probably would because half an hour is a long
Speaker 2: time to get to medical treatment. So if I lived,
Speaker 2: you know, rurally or further out, I probably would go
Speaker 2: and do it like that. But aside from that, that's
Speaker 2: definitely not standard practice. It can, you know, cause a
Speaker 2: bit more maybe anxiety than is necessary around it. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to do it in the comfort of
Speaker 2: your home can also be just just better, just trying
Speaker 2: to keep the whole situation calm. I definitely make sure
Speaker 2: another adult is home, whether or a lot, your partner
Speaker 2: or your mom or someone. Obviously, if a reaction does occur,
Speaker 2: you know, it's scary, and one of you should be
Speaker 2: on the phone trip or zero while phone ones with
Speaker 2: the baby or whatever. So having someone else there also
Speaker 2: with the allergency is really important to like offer them
Speaker 2: in the first half of the day so that you
Speaker 2: can watch for that reaction. We're talking about making sure
Speaker 2: you're not putting them straight down for a sleep. So
Speaker 2: that's really important for just when you are introducing the
Speaker 2: allergens because otherwise, you know, if something does happen or
Speaker 2: like you go and give them the food for the
Speaker 2: first time at dinner time and then it's peaking. You know,
Speaker 2: often when you're feeding your baby dinner, that's like peak
Speaker 2: hour traffic. So then to try and get to the
Speaker 2: hospital at that time. So it's some of it's just
Speaker 2: really like you know, practical advice definitely for those high
Speaker 2: risk children. You know, like also things like don't go
Speaker 2: and do it on a long weekend, or don't decide
Speaker 2: to go and go camping and try being up by
Speaker 2: a sandwich is like that it's just not a good idea,
Speaker 2: but let's be honest, but ideally in your own look
Speaker 2: in the comfort of your own home with someone else
Speaker 2: in the first half of the day is what my
Speaker 2: general you know, the guidelines are.
Speaker 1: Okay, You're allergen kit made this process, which as you
Speaker 1: can see, is very shrouded in anxiety for like understandable
Speaker 1: reasons for every parent. Your kit made it so easy,
Speaker 1: like so easy because the instructions are so clear, the
Speaker 1: form factor is so easy. You can mix it in.
Speaker 1: So talk to us about what the kit is, how
Speaker 1: that works, with how many times you're introducing each elogen,
Speaker 1: how separated they should be between each allergen, and then
Speaker 1: you know the tree nut maintenance kits. Talk us through
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Okay, So because we have the veggie Start pack
Speaker 2: people were asking, like, I wish you have this like
Speaker 2: an allergen form. So like people obviously understandably really scared
Speaker 2: and there is a bit of confusion like what are
Speaker 2: the allergens? So like, as I said, any food can
Speaker 2: be an allergen, but when we talk about the allergens,
Speaker 2: they're responsible for ninety percent of allergies worldwide, so that
Speaker 2: what we call our most common allergens they have to
Speaker 2: be called out on packaging. But I found particularly around
Speaker 2: things like the tree nuts, so like I'd hear of
Speaker 2: GPS in like, oh, just give your baby like ABC
Speaker 2: butter and like that'll expose them, and I'm like, one,
Speaker 2: that's not all the tree nuts too. You don't want
Speaker 2: to like give them all together because if they have
Speaker 2: a reaction, then which one of they had a reaction to,
Speaker 2: and then you've got to cut it out and it's
Speaker 2: really hard. Also understandably people were really anxious, so then
Speaker 2: they're just putting it off. Part of the reason there's
Speaker 2: a lot of confusion around it is prior to twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: they used to say, don't introduce their allergens before the
Speaker 2: chart is won. Now all the research has shown you know,
Speaker 2: you need to introduce them early. They think that part
Speaker 2: of the reason we've seen such a spiking allergies, particularly
Speaker 2: in Australia, is because of this advice, which meant that
Speaker 2: you know, people not building up that exposure to it.
Speaker 2: So now what the So we created this pack and
Speaker 2: we launched about eighteen months ago where everything is in
Speaker 2: like a powdered form, So with the nuts it's like
Speaker 2: ground nuts because obviously you need to make sure it's
Speaker 2: the correct format for bub You don't want to give
Speaker 2: them a whole nut because it's a choking hazard. So
Speaker 2: like all your different tree nuts like pine nuts, et cetera,
Speaker 2: all like a ground format, so then you can just
Speaker 2: like mix it into the pure or if you're doing
Speaker 2: maybe letter winning, like you could get something like a
Speaker 2: piece of avocado and just like roll it in so
Speaker 2: that they are eating it. And it just made it
Speaker 2: really easy because people like, yeah, I just I don't
Speaker 2: know what they are, I don't know how to do it.
Speaker 2: How do I do? Then? How do I buy the
Speaker 2: nuts separately? Like you know, do I need to go
Speaker 2: and buy nine different nut butters? Like that's very expensive
Speaker 2: as well. So it was like just I wanted to
Speaker 2: make it really easy and practical. The guidelines to introduce
Speaker 2: them are so they say they want you to do
Speaker 2: it over three exposures. The reason for this is the
Speaker 2: first exposure is they often won't react because it's what
Speaker 2: we call a sensitization, so it might only be on
Speaker 2: the second exposure, So they recommend doing three exposures. This
Speaker 2: is the Askier guidelines. I know that the Royal Melbourne
Speaker 2: Hospital they actually do a six step exposure, so they
Speaker 2: just they break it up a little bit more. You
Speaker 2: can definitely do that. So the ASCI guidelines though, which
Speaker 2: is what we use on our pack are they recommend
Speaker 2: starting with a quarter of a teaspoon of the allergen,
Speaker 2: so you would just get a quarter of a teaspoon
Speaker 2: and whether or not you use our pack or like
Speaker 2: you know, you do it you buy them yourself, or
Speaker 2: you do something like with eggs, for example, you can
Speaker 2: get a hard boiled egg. Now you want to make
Speaker 2: sure you mix the egg yolk and the egg white
Speaker 2: and mash it all together, or use it like our
Speaker 2: egg powder, but you get a quarter of a tea
Speaker 2: spoon and mix it into a previously tolerated pure so
Speaker 2: you know, making sure it's only one new thing that
Speaker 2: they're trying, making sure it's the first half of the day,
Speaker 2: and you start with that quarter of a teaspoon. I
Speaker 2: usually find it easier just to aim for one allergien
Speaker 2: per week. It allows you enough time between six and
Speaker 2: twelve months to get through them all with a few
Speaker 2: weeks for like, you know, if they're sick or you're
Speaker 2: on holidays or whatever, so there's a few weeks buffer.
Speaker 2: They recommend doing three exposures, so usually it's better just
Speaker 2: to do it over one week, and I find just
Speaker 2: three consecutive days is the easiest, just doing you know,
Speaker 2: starting with your quarter of a teaspoon, then you want
Speaker 2: to increase to half a tea spoon and then go
Speaker 2: to one tea spoon, so you know, because you need
Speaker 2: to watch them for two hours and then by that time,
Speaker 2: you know, if you did it on the same day,
Speaker 2: they'd be getting into the afternoon, so if they did
Speaker 2: have a reaction, stop really practical, So if you do
Speaker 2: like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or whatever works for you. Otherwise
Speaker 2: do like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, just keeping it in the
Speaker 2: same week. Also, you can just tick it and then
Speaker 2: move on to the next one. If you do like
Speaker 2: hazeer ut today and then you're like, oh, we're going
Speaker 2: to do peanut, and then it's like, oh, how many
Speaker 2: did we get to? Like, which is why we also
Speaker 2: like do the thing to tick it off, you do
Speaker 2: the three exposures and usually after the three exposures, we're like, okay,
Speaker 2: provided there's no reaction, we go, Yay, there's no reaction,
Speaker 2: and we can tick that one off. The thing though,
Speaker 2: is you also then need to keep up exposure, so
Speaker 2: you know, and we call this like maintenance. And the
Speaker 2: reason is that if you offer the you know, expose
Speaker 2: them to the allergen, and then you don't give it
Speaker 2: to them for like six months, they can then actually
Speaker 2: you know, still develop an allergy allergy to it. It's
Speaker 2: because there's so much going on, so much grows, so
Speaker 2: many changes that you know, so they say, you know,
Speaker 2: you need to keep it up at the moment. Look,
Speaker 2: there's no heart and fast like until what age, but
Speaker 2: some of the evidence does suggest till five years of age,
Speaker 2: and so they say, if you can ideally offer it
Speaker 2: twice weekly until they're five years of age, and just
Speaker 2: like a teaspoon twice weekly with something like the train outs,
Speaker 2: I found that people, you know, they're like, well, we
Speaker 2: don't eat brazil nuts or something, or we don't regularly
Speaker 2: eat them like you know, you might not like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I eat a lot of nuts in my house, or
Speaker 2: but I know, like not all households do, and so
Speaker 2: they might be like, oh, how do I keep that up?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: You know, So that's why we created the train ut mix.
Speaker 2: It's obviously not suitable if your child has a has
Speaker 2: a reaction unfortunately to any of the train outs. It
Speaker 2: would therefore not be suitable. But otherwise it's just a
Speaker 2: mix of all the train outs they've been blended. It's
Speaker 2: like a meal that you can just stir into their
Speaker 2: food strains, their porridge, bake into muffins. It's just like
Speaker 2: an easy way to keep up that exposure. But otherwise, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can also like blend to whole lot of nuts
Speaker 2: yourself to do that, especially if you don't eat a
Speaker 2: lot of nuts or you don't have like, you know,
Speaker 2: lots of nut butters and things in your house. There's
Speaker 2: no hard and fast rule in terms of like the
Speaker 2: order in which you should introduce them, but there is
Speaker 2: the most research around egg and peanut because they're the
Speaker 2: most common allergens, and they do say to ideally introduce
Speaker 2: egg by the time they're eight months and peanuts by
Speaker 2: the time they're ten months. Other than that, it's just
Speaker 2: recommended to eat in the frequency in which you have
Speaker 2: it in your household. So that might mean you get
Speaker 2: something like you know, you might do wheat early, and
Speaker 2: wheat currently is not in the pack, although we might
Speaker 2: change that. But I just found wheat was quite an
Speaker 2: easy one to do yourself, as like bread or pasta,
Speaker 2: But you know, you do that quite early, whereas I
Speaker 2: usually say, you know, something like shellfish, which is also
Speaker 2: not on the pack for a practicality reason. Also, a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't eat shellfish, so like shellfish is
Speaker 2: one that I usually say leave that to the last.
Speaker 2: Like unless you live in a really boogey household where
Speaker 2: you have like prawns every week, like that might be
Speaker 2: a harder one to keep up that exposure. Obviously it's
Speaker 2: not completely practical with some of those foods to keep
Speaker 2: them up every week, but just like just not leaving
Speaker 2: it like six months or like, you know, we only
Speaker 2: have pawns at Christmas time, so that's the time my
Speaker 2: baby's getting exposed to it. So it's just you know,
Speaker 2: doing what's practical. Also, remember you know, as you start
Speaker 2: to like have foods, you'll realize, you know, like giving
Speaker 2: baby a muffin, well there's probably eggs, milk, and flour
Speaker 2: in that, so they're getting exposed to all three at once.
Speaker 2: So things like that, Like it's not like once you've
Speaker 2: offered it, you don't need to then give it individually.
Speaker 2: You can mix them and that's fine, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: sort of what's practiced. Oh my God, so espashally has
Speaker 2: thirty grams, which gives you enough for those three exposures,
Speaker 2: plus you know, multiple weeks of keeping up that one teaspoon,
Speaker 2: so that it is like you know, also like if
Speaker 2: you've got twins, you can just use the one pack
Speaker 2: like we want it to be, like is in cost
Speaker 2: effective for people as well, because you know, sometimes I know,
Speaker 2: like some of those medical societies, they're like these products
Speaker 2: get like so like overpriced, but we really wanted to
Speaker 2: make it like practical as well.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it is so I can't even explain
Speaker 1: to you, like even listening to this, having been in
Speaker 1: it and still doing it, I still underestimate what a
Speaker 1: full time job keeping your child's palette exposed and doing
Speaker 1: all these things and maintaining the right like it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's like another full time job. And any practical, affordable,
Speaker 1: accessible help that you can get because the momental load
Speaker 1: is already extraordinary, is like you are doing God's work,
Speaker 1: my love, like you are a gift to from the heavens,
Speaker 1: because it's so much like even processing you saying all this,
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here googling. I'd even though I already
Speaker 1: know it It's just blowing my mind how helpful it
Speaker 1: is to have it all packaged. The list is already
Speaker 1: there because it's in the packet. You know what you've done,
Speaker 1: because you know what's open. They've all got cute little
Speaker 1: names like it's all the nuts, it's soy, it's milk
Speaker 1: and egg, it can mix it in the form factor.
Speaker 1: The instructions are on the packet. It is Honestly, I've
Speaker 1: never had so many questions as the first time I
Speaker 1: posted that, because every mum knows they have to do this.
Speaker 1: It's just something you've got to do. It comes with
Speaker 1: being a parent, and it is so scary and so
Speaker 1: much prep and so much hard work. And anyone who
Speaker 1: hasn't heard of it, I'm sure we'll want to know
Speaker 1: when they can get it. So the link to the
Speaker 1: Allergen Kit will definitely be in the show notes.
Speaker 2: It's my baby, Yeah, it is my pride and joy,
Speaker 2: that one. It is. It's something I really wanted to
Speaker 2: for quite a few years and I was like, cow,
Speaker 2: how do I do this? Yeah, it was something that
Speaker 2: and it just partners so well with like our other offering,
Speaker 2: and I think that lead in so it has been
Speaker 2: like really well received. Yeah, I'm about to take it
Speaker 2: to the stage tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I know, Oh my gosh, I'm going tomorrow, in which
Speaker 1: case I definitely need to let you go. I could
Speaker 1: sit here and talk to you and ask you questions forever.
Speaker 1: But is there anything that you get asked most commonly
Speaker 1: that we haven't covered that a parent who was about
Speaker 1: to embark on their journey or was in the journey,
Speaker 1: and you know you would love to sort of impart
Speaker 1: to them. What are some things I've missed or we
Speaker 1: haven't covered?
Speaker 2: I would say, like definitely, Like although like I'm sure
Speaker 2: people listen, be like this is so overwhelming. It is
Speaker 2: just like take every day like one at a time,
Speaker 2: like I think ahead of it. You're like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: like there's so much that and there is a lot
Speaker 2: to think about, but also like enjoy it, like it's fine,
Speaker 2: it's cute. It's like it's interesting to watch them. You know,
Speaker 2: you are in such a unique position to lay these
Speaker 2: foundations but also be gentle on yourself and like, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to be fair and say like, of course,
Speaker 2: I'm like very proud of my brand, but like you know,
Speaker 2: if you have to reach for a pouch or something
Speaker 2: like you know, some people like literally like especially my friends,
Speaker 2: I guess they'll be like, I don't want you to
Speaker 2: see the I offered my child of help, like I'm
Speaker 2: like judging them and I'm not like I'm like I
Speaker 2: get it, Like it's it's hard and like the practical
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, like you've got to do also
Speaker 2: what works for you and like, you know, so be
Speaker 2: gentle with yourself as long as you know the intention
Speaker 2: is there and you know you're trying to like even
Speaker 2: with the way we eat it, like I go like
Speaker 2: eighty twenty rule, like you know, always aim for the best,
Speaker 2: but like there's going to be days or wet things
Speaker 2: out of routine and so definitely be gentle with yourself.
Speaker 2: The only other one I get asked a lot about
Speaker 2: salts so too much.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't even think of that salt.
Speaker 2: So people are always like, oh my god, so like
Speaker 2: I made this meal and I wanted to give some
Speaker 2: to baby, but like I've already salted it. The salt
Speaker 2: thing I think has really been blown so out of proportion.
Speaker 2: Like if you like, obviously if you're preparing food for barb,
Speaker 2: like they don't need salt. Added to it. Their taste
Speaker 2: buds are so you know, neutral, and you can definitely
Speaker 2: keep it. You know, they don't need the excess of
Speaker 2: flavoring that you and I would need. But in saying that,
Speaker 2: like if you prepare a meal and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just want to give them a you know, see
Speaker 2: if they like it, like absolutely fine, Like you know
Speaker 2: you're making past you salt the water.
Speaker 1: Like that, it's okay.
Speaker 2: People literally like they message me and they're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, have I like ruined my jot? Like people
Speaker 2: get so stressed about it, and I think it's been
Speaker 2: really blown so far out. The issue is like processed
Speaker 2: food has a lot of salt added to it. As
Speaker 2: long as you're not giving your baby like packeted food
Speaker 2: every single day, like it's got salt added to it,
Speaker 2: it's fine. Like they actually do need sodium. It's just
Speaker 2: you know, just being conscious of you know, if you
Speaker 2: are offering packeted food, you know how much sodium is
Speaker 2: in it, and you know things like that. But like
Speaker 2: if you're preparing food for scratch and yeah, you put
Speaker 2: a bit of salt in it. Honestly, it's not the
Speaker 2: end of the world. So again, be gentle and like
Speaker 2: the only other thing I'll say is really aside from
Speaker 2: like honey, which we actually didn't mention.
Speaker 1: Of course I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are foods you shouldn't give, like honey is
Speaker 2: probably the only one that you shouldn't give until they're
Speaker 2: twelve months, just because of the risk of botulism. But
Speaker 2: aside from that, pretty much everything else is fine. Like
Speaker 2: it's obviously being careful of the way that you cut
Speaker 2: foods and things like that for a choking perspective, always
Speaker 2: observing your child when they eating. But you know, aside from.
Speaker 1: That, like go nuts, try it all, like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: go nut, go nuts, literally exactly like literally go nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exposed them to as much as possible. You know,
Speaker 2: do what works for you. Don't make it extra complicated.
Speaker 2: Like sometimes you read things that are like you need
Speaker 2: to like sour the oats and do this and do that,
Speaker 2: Like let's just be like life is hard and yeah,
Speaker 2: like I think, don't make your life too complicated, you know. Ultimately,
Speaker 2: I think the goal is by the time your baby
Speaker 2: is one, that they can at least have a very
Speaker 2: version of what you're having. Like that would always be
Speaker 2: my goal. So if you know you guys eat a
Speaker 2: lot of herbs and spices, like, make sure you've started
Speaker 2: to expose that to them, because then you know, when
Speaker 2: you are making a meal for yourself, you can just
Speaker 2: cut a little bit off a bub and offer it
Speaker 2: to them in a varied format like yeah, just be
Speaker 2: kind and gentle and you know, enjoy the process rather
Speaker 2: than don't get yourself too worked up, because I think
Speaker 2: the information can really stress you out unnecessarily.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that is one thing that I said to you, actually,
Speaker 1: is that having nourishing bubs actually did free up the
Speaker 1: brain space that would have prevented me maybe enjoying it
Speaker 1: as much. It made room for the enjoyment because the
Speaker 1: stressy bit was kind of already taken care of. And
Speaker 1: thank you so much for adding that about salt and honey,
Speaker 1: because the really important questions that I hadn't thought of
Speaker 1: the only other one I would add that just came
Speaker 1: up with water. When would you add bub drinking water?
Speaker 2: Yes, so great question. So water you want to start
Speaker 2: offering when they start solids, but only with meals, so
Speaker 2: just like little SIPs of water, And just to basically
Speaker 2: the reason for it is they don't develop their first
Speaker 2: reflex until they're twelve months of age, so they need
Speaker 2: to get in the habit of it. It will also
Speaker 2: help with things like constipation, which can be unfortunately a
Speaker 2: bit of an unwanted side effect of starting solids, just
Speaker 2: because as their digestive system changes, So just giving them
Speaker 2: little SIPs of water as they are having their meals,
Speaker 2: and you just need to make sure it's cooled boiled
Speaker 2: water until the age of twelve months. You don't need
Speaker 2: to like sterilize their cups or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: you just you know, like dishwasher is absolutely fine, but
Speaker 2: yet just cooled boiled tapwater is fine. And idea you
Speaker 2: initially you probably want to give them a cup that
Speaker 2: like doesn't spill so that they get used to holding it,
Speaker 2: But as soon as they are comfortable holding it, get
Speaker 2: the one that does spill, Like if they turn it up,
Speaker 2: it does spill, so that they understand like the harder
Speaker 2: they suck, the faster the water will flow. So that
Speaker 2: means like making sure there's like not a valve on it.
Speaker 2: Things like the b box with a straw is a
Speaker 2: really great product, but you just want to it has
Speaker 2: a valve at the top of it. So, particularly for
Speaker 2: at home, you just want to cut the valve off
Speaker 2: so that, you know, the harder they suck, the faster
Speaker 2: the water flows. So a straw is a really good
Speaker 2: option for them. You don't want them drinking from like
Speaker 2: a you know, like a teeated bottle or anything like that. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: you can get those little open cups that almost look
Speaker 2: like a little espresso cup and just put a little
Speaker 2: bit of water in them and get them into the
Speaker 2: habit of drinking from the side. Obviously, that takes a
Speaker 2: bit of practice initially, you know, they probably are just
Speaker 2: gonna like tip it down what you react to initially,
Speaker 2: but you know, just put in a little bit in
Speaker 2: there so that they can start to like play with
Speaker 2: it and get used to it and start to drink,
Speaker 2: and then ultimately by eighteen months they should be able
Speaker 2: to drink from like an open cup.
Speaker 1: When do you stop boiling it? When you do stop
Speaker 1: boiling it, can you just give them tap water? Should
Speaker 1: it be filtered instead of boiled water? Can you give
Speaker 1: them filtered water or what about bottled water? Like what
Speaker 1: are the different waters?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, really good question. So filtered water is not
Speaker 2: adequate enough because it just gets out like the large particles.
Speaker 2: It's all to do with the particle size. Like, because
Speaker 2: if there was something like Yadia would not be like
Speaker 2: filtered out by a filter. However, with a boiled water,
Speaker 2: tap water would also be fine. So like, particularly if
Speaker 2: you're traveling like you know, like Insydny, you know, or
Speaker 2: in it sorry in Australia, like we're lucky the water
Speaker 2: supply is so good. But obviously if there was any
Speaker 2: issues like from storms and things, and the government had said,
Speaker 2: oh you need to start boiling water, definitely bring it back.
Speaker 2: But after twelve months it's generally considered you know, safe
Speaker 2: to stop the boiling the water. But obviously if you're
Speaker 2: traveling and the water supply was not good, I would
Speaker 2: just be buying bottled water and that's fine. So bottled
Speaker 2: water is fine. Filtered water is not the same. You
Speaker 2: would still need to do it, but otherwise, yeah, after
Speaker 2: twelve months, tapwater actually is still also fine.
Speaker 1: Amazing, Oh my gosh, you you are just such a
Speaker 1: wealth of knowledge. Thank you so much for today, for
Speaker 1: everything you've done for us, for everything you continue to
Speaker 1: do for us. You're extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Oh no, honestly, I'm so inspired. By you. I've followed
Speaker 2: you for so long and that this is actually such
Speaker 2: an honor for me. And I'm just so grateful for
Speaker 2: your support, like every time you're just so kind and yeah,
Speaker 2: it truly meant a lot to me. So thanks.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well you can see how measurable, like measurable,
Speaker 1: the impact has been on our life. And we'll be
Speaker 1: forever grateful to you and for you for that and
Speaker 1: wish you all the best in the US tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, and I'm nervous, like I'm nervous excited
Speaker 2: we have Yeah, it's a whole new ball game, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting. I think, Yeah, we're just going with
Speaker 2: the Allerge impact, but we have to go into a
Speaker 2: slightly different name.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you're exciting again, but no, it's exciting, and
Speaker 1: we've just got so many we're doing a whole lot
Speaker 1: of finger foods and stuff which you'll come out in
Speaker 1: the next two months.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited. So they'll be coming your way, lazy.
Speaker 1: Well, for everyone listening, I will include all of the
Speaker 1: links to Nourishing Bubs and all of Olivia's resources for you,
Speaker 1: because I know you will all desperately need them and
Speaker 1: be wanting them by now and also where we can
Speaker 1: all follow you. But thank you so much and good luck.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you lovely. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that was a lot of information across
Speaker 1: this two PARTA. But for anyone who did want to
Speaker 1: know more about starting solids, I hope that it did
Speaker 1: help clarify some things that it was informative. I knew
Speaker 1: all of this already as I've kind of been through
Speaker 1: this process with Olivia and Teddy. Nourishing Bubs has been
Speaker 1: such a big part. I mean, I've already said that,
Speaker 1: but it's been such a big part of our journey.
Speaker 1: And even still, I found this so interesting and learned
Speaker 1: a lot that I might have missed the first time around.
Speaker 1: So I really do hope that you guys found it useful.
Speaker 1: All the links will be in the show notes. Please
Speaker 1: do share the episode if you found it useful, and
Speaker 1: tag at Nurishing Bubs to let them know what you learned,
Speaker 1: what you found useful if you're going to have a
Speaker 1: try yourself. And in the meantime, I hope you guys
Speaker 1: are all having a wonderful week and seizing your ya