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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm
Speaker 1: Laura Broadnag and today we have a very special host.
Speaker 3: I'm Charlie Beck and I'm back in the studio.
Speaker 1: Hey Elvey, Welcome back, Charlie. Haven't seen you since you
Speaker 1: were here last time. I'm joking because we obviously sitting
Speaker 1: next to each other in the office.
Speaker 3: And just talk. We talk about all this kind of
Speaker 3: stuff just off the pod, so it's exciting.
Speaker 2: To be back talking about it for you guys.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a jam packed show today because Lily
Speaker 1: Allen has been in the news for traumatizing a small
Speaker 1: helpless dog. At least that's what the headlines are saying.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more to the story than that, and
Speaker 1: also hate watching Emily in Paris. Everyone's been doing it.
Speaker 1: But look, we're gonna have to have a different conversation.
Speaker 1: You and I are gonna have a difficult conversation about
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, but for so making news today, something
Speaker 1: we have to talk about that so many people are
Speaker 1: buzzing about, and that is the fact that Oasis, a
Speaker 1: very iconic rock duo that has had many hits and
Speaker 1: many iconic songs, might potentially be getting back together for
Speaker 1: a tour. And why this is big news is that
Speaker 1: Oasis is made up of brothers Noel and Liam Gallagher,
Speaker 1: which you wouldn't really think that two brothers would have
Speaker 1: this much of a public beef scanning decades. But I
Speaker 1: guess this goes to show that you can never really
Speaker 1: hate someone like you can hate your own family. At
Speaker 1: some point, because they were a really popular band that
Speaker 1: are very public falling out and it all culminated in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. They've been having a feud for
Speaker 1: a long time, but it all boiled over when they
Speaker 1: were performing at a festival in Paris at a very
Speaker 1: public fight on stage, and then the next day there
Speaker 1: was a statement on the band's website from Noel Gallagher
Speaker 1: to say he could know no longer work with his
Speaker 1: brother Liam after a series of arguments, and said it
Speaker 1: was with sadness but relief to tell you that he
Speaker 1: had quit Oasis and that he could not go on
Speaker 1: working with Liam for another day longer. They've had a
Speaker 1: very back and forth of words over the last years,
Speaker 1: with people desperate for them to get back together, and
Speaker 1: then this week, on the anniversary of when they had
Speaker 1: dropped one of their albums on August thirtieth and nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four, their debut album, which became the fastest selling
Speaker 1: album in UK history. They've posted identical videos to their
Speaker 1: social media pages hinting for the first time at a reunion,
Speaker 1: and a lot of different outlets are reporting that they're
Speaker 1: potentially going to pay a series of shows at Wembley
Speaker 1: Stadium and if they play these shows, they will break
Speaker 1: the record that Taylor Swift has just set for playing
Speaker 1: there for the most shows. So they haven't said yes yet,
Speaker 1: but they haven't denied it. They've been dropping clues like
Speaker 1: Liam Gallagher posts on x that he doesn't like being
Speaker 1: called a former band and people like that means you're
Speaker 1: coming back, and a lot of people are very excited. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I learned a lot over the past few hours
Speaker 3: reading about Oasis. So I am a little bit younger,
Speaker 3: and of course I know the songs, but I didn't
Speaker 3: know about this decade spanning feud between the two men.
Speaker 3: So I learned that Oasis was actually started by Liam
Speaker 3: and last minute he asked his brother Noel to join
Speaker 3: the band and Rockie Movely wasn't gonna go. Well.
Speaker 1: It worked for quite a while.
Speaker 2: It worked quite a while.
Speaker 3: Theyd it amazing until it didn't. So they released their
Speaker 3: debut album, Definitely Maybe, which you mentioned. It has been
Speaker 3: thirty years since that came out in August nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 3: and that same year, Liam threw a tambourine at his brother.
Speaker 1: Again, We've all been there. People call it the Kardashians
Speaker 1: of being ridiculous for like beating each other up as adults,
Speaker 1: but it goes to show that it can happen to anyone.
Speaker 3: Laura, I didn't know any because it gets better. The
Speaker 3: following year, in May, Liam brought visitors to the studio,
Speaker 3: disrupting Nol, who responded by reportedly hitting his brother over
Speaker 3: the head with a cricket bat. The cricket bat was
Speaker 3: later sold at auction.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure for quite a bit of money, I suspect.
Speaker 3: And then the following year, in nineteen ninety six, Liam
Speaker 3: pulled out of their MTV Unplugged show, citing he had laryngitis.
Speaker 3: The band performed without him and Liam, who was supposed
Speaker 3: to be too sick to play, sat in the audience
Speaker 3: drinking his beer and smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 1: I mean an iconic move really when you think about it,
Speaker 1: I love it. But this is what fans have been
Speaker 1: asking for for years. This is the first time it
Speaker 1: seems like it is happening. So I guess keep an
Speaker 1: eye on their social media accounts, on their x accounts,
Speaker 1: on the Instagram accounts for the big reveal.
Speaker 2: Makes Please Time.
Speaker 1: Makes smar.
Speaker 3: So. UK singer Lily Allen was buried under an Internet
Speaker 3: pylon this week, but she's never finding back. On Thursday,
Speaker 3: Alan was speaking about animal adoption on an episode of
Speaker 3: her miss Me podcast. Alan said she and her family
Speaker 3: were considering adopting a Chiuaha mixed puppy very soon. During
Speaker 3: the conversation, Alan mentioned that she'd previously adopted a puppy
Speaker 3: they named him Mary, during the pandemic Ahaha. She was
Speaker 3: one of those one of those who adopted a puppy.
Speaker 1: I Justine, but some people got a puppy.
Speaker 3: I got one too, had a puppy and Mary was
Speaker 3: rescued from a dog shelter.
Speaker 2: She said, we actually did adopt a dog together.
Speaker 3: Already, but then I ate my passport, so I took
Speaker 3: it back with the home. That's a conversation you have
Speaker 3: over wine, not on a podcast, just saying, but let's
Speaker 3: keep getting into it.
Speaker 2: She said she was a very badly.
Speaker 3: Behaved dog and I really tried very hard with her,
Speaker 3: but it just didn't work out, and the passports was
Speaker 3: the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.
Speaker 2: As you can assume.
Speaker 3: Then the backlash came flooding in. There were death threats,
Speaker 3: there were cruel tauns, there were even comparisons made between
Speaker 3: Alan and Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 2: Adamal writes.
Speaker 3: Charity Peter then published an open letter to Alan. They said,
Speaker 3: dogs are a lifetime commitment, Lily Allen, it's not fair
Speaker 3: to treat them like accessories, to discard when they're inconvenient.
Speaker 3: And then Alan reiterated that Mary was rey home to
Speaker 3: people that she knew within twenty four hours of the
Speaker 3: dog being returned to the shelter. She said, we couldn't
Speaker 3: meet Mary's needs, and her happiness and welfare were central
Speaker 3: to us making that decision.
Speaker 2: As difficult as it was, I've had rescue.
Speaker 3: Dogs pretty consistently throughout my life since I was four
Speaker 3: years old.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at asitating a dog's needs.
Speaker 3: I've never been accused of mistreating an animal, and I've
Speaker 3: found this whole week very distressing. So Peter a bit
Speaker 3: it didn't back down. They actually sent a stuffed mechanical
Speaker 3: dog that could want to Alan.
Speaker 2: And her home. I had no idea, Peter.
Speaker 1: Just she probably saw it while she was sifting through
Speaker 1: all the handwritten letters of death threats and violence against
Speaker 1: her kids which she got and found this little dog. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look a few things happening here. One is that obviously
Speaker 1: joking about not looking after an animal properly is pretty intense.
Speaker 1: And I think also that comes off the back of
Speaker 1: so many people adopting dogs at certain times, like during
Speaker 1: the pandemic when people were at home more Sometimes it
Speaker 1: would get dogs as Christmas presents, or like at times
Speaker 1: during the year when they're home they dumped them before
Speaker 1: they go on holiday. Like that's a really ongoing problem
Speaker 1: in so many countries like the UK and Australia. And
Speaker 1: I think laughing about it with the celebrity might make
Speaker 1: it sound like overly flippant and make other people think
Speaker 1: that it was an okay thing to do. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, I think like it's also really hard
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be on those people who
Speaker 1: says like, oh, no one can say anything anymore, whereas
Speaker 1: like there are definitely some things you shouldn't say in public.
Speaker 1: But I think like it's becoming to the point now
Speaker 1: where this is why celebrities are so difficult interviews and
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about anything and no one
Speaker 1: can have a conversation, is that they're so worried that
Speaker 1: every little thing they say is going to get chopped
Speaker 1: up and put into a headline with no context, which
Speaker 1: is what happened to Lily Allen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, I think it's into thing. I think there's like.
Speaker 3: Two sides of a coin with it, Like as she
Speaker 3: said after Sir Peter Kaye Bowen said you laughing when
Speaker 3: speaking about about any Mary and ruining this por Dood's life,
Speaker 3: and she clapped back and said, people laugh when they
Speaker 3: talk about painful things.
Speaker 2: So I get it.
Speaker 3: But I think she could have thought about what she said,
Speaker 3: probably a little bit more first before.
Speaker 2: She did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do understand sometimes when you're telling it a
Speaker 1: difficult story, you do laugh. Also, as someone who also
Speaker 1: recently had to get an emergency replaced some passport. It's
Speaker 1: very stressful, So I understand why that would have tipped
Speaker 1: her over the edge. Like obviously in the moment, she
Speaker 1: should have added more information about it, the fact that
Speaker 1: she was re home to people that they knew, and
Speaker 1: like they kind of follow through to make sure that
Speaker 1: she had a good home. They didn't just like leave
Speaker 1: her on the doorstep of the shelter and drive away.
Speaker 1: But you don't have that context. But also, as we
Speaker 1: were chatting about yesterday in our spill meeting we were
Speaker 1: complicit in this too, is that we had sort of
Speaker 1: seen a few of the headlines bubbling around and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we won't cover that story today because we're quite busy,
Speaker 1: but because we have other stories we need to cover first.
Speaker 1: But maybe we'll do it tomorrow and we'll do a
Speaker 1: round up of like wild celebrity pet stories like Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian's pets always going missing when she like decides she
Speaker 1: doesn't like them. Maybe it was Kylie Jennis dogs, which
Speaker 1: one of them fifteen?
Speaker 2: Where are they?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all kind of weird things. And then we
Speaker 1: were complicent until in the fact that like we hadn't
Speaker 1: sort of listened to the full interview and seen everything
Speaker 1: she'd said and also seen like what Peter had said,
Speaker 1: and when we looked into it today, you see a
Speaker 1: completely different story. But I think most people are doing that.
Speaker 1: They are seeing as Lily Allen said when she was
Speaker 1: on X and she wrote out the line and she's like,
Speaker 1: this is the line from the podcast that every tabloid
Speaker 1: has pulled out, and this is the actual story. But
Speaker 1: only about twenty percent of people who read the original
Speaker 1: Lily Allen got rid of her dog and laughed about
Speaker 1: its story, which makes her sound like Crola Deville's stepdaughter
Speaker 1: or something like that, Like she was coming across pretty
Speaker 1: intensely bad in the media coverage around this yesterday. Only
Speaker 1: about twenty percent of those people are then going to
Speaker 1: go read her full statement, and so that story just
Speaker 1: doesn't get out there.
Speaker 3: After the break, we have just seen the first taste
Speaker 3: of part two of Emily in Paris season four, and
Speaker 3: we don't.
Speaker 2: Agree Laura and Hi fight it out after the break.
Speaker 1: Well, today I woke up to a very exciting email
Speaker 1: from the Netflix Australia publicity team and it was the
Speaker 1: new trailer for part two of Emily in Paris season four.
Speaker 2: It's Laura Brodnick's Christmas.
Speaker 1: And it usually comes out at Christmas. Obviously we've talked
Speaker 1: about it before. I've moved on with My pain. It's
Speaker 1: coming out at a weird time of year, but we're
Speaker 1: making the best of it. So that's Netflix's new trick
Speaker 1: is to split all of their big shows into two
Speaker 1: different drops. They did it with Bridgerton, they're now doing
Speaker 1: with Emily and Harris so much.
Speaker 2: They're doing it with My Reality they shows. It's so rude.
Speaker 1: Well, in a way, I don't quite mind it, because
Speaker 1: now we're having two exciting hits of Emily and Paris
Speaker 1: coming out. And also we're playing into Netflix's hands here
Speaker 1: because the reason they're doing this is so they get
Speaker 1: two hits of publicity, which is exactly what they got
Speaker 1: from us. Because we talked about the first trailer, now
Speaker 1: we're talking about the second trailer. They're playing us like
Speaker 1: a violin. I have to be okay with it because
Speaker 1: I'm excited Family and Paris coming back.
Speaker 2: It is so gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm in the sound of music any minute.
Speaker 2: Julie Andrews is gonna be running over that.
Speaker 1: Hell that was Austria. This is friends.
Speaker 2: Please don't kill my fantasy. Absolutely, yes, gay shoe.
Speaker 3: If you had someone an American girl Jennevie looking chic.
Speaker 1: Sylvia gave me a bit of a Paris makeover.
Speaker 3: Jenny from the blog of now Genji from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, don't encourage her. Where are you guys going lunch?
Speaker 2: I will talk you. You're always gonna choose her. She's
Speaker 2: having my baby, I know, but I cannot be the
Speaker 2: person who pulls your away from your family.
Speaker 3: If you're happy, I thought.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's Genevieve.
Speaker 1: Are we sure we like her? Mate?
Speaker 2: What brings you to Paris? Exploring some business opportunities? GVM
Speaker 2: me is desperate to acquire them. I'd love to get
Speaker 2: a meeting with Arch. Not going to Rome. It's not
Speaker 2: the first time you mix business with pleasure. You're actually
Speaker 2: quite good at it.
Speaker 3: For once, do something spontaneous and reckless and un emily
Speaker 3: just to have an adventure. So this is the same space.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. I haven't actually watched season four
Speaker 3: just yet. Every week and I go in and say, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it, but I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be honest.
Speaker 2: I can't stand Emily, and.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people agree with me that
Speaker 3: it's very divided. People either love or they either hate
Speaker 3: love hate watching. I'm definitely in that camp, and I've
Speaker 3: seen all the other seasons, but I think because it
Speaker 3: usually comes out of a Christmas I kind of run
Speaker 3: out of.
Speaker 2: Things to watch.
Speaker 3: I'm full from all the Christmas hamm I've eaten, I've
Speaker 3: drunk too much, and I'm just going to zone out
Speaker 3: and watch it. But right now I'm just like, I
Speaker 3: just can't deal with her face. But I did watch
Speaker 3: the trailer today and now I'm like, Okay, I'm ready
Speaker 3: to watch it, but of course still hate watch it.
Speaker 2: But we don't feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get angry at you. I did
Speaker 1: see you recoil just then as you said it, like
Speaker 1: I was going to launch across the table at you.
Speaker 1: I'm not angry, I'm disappointed. We're on different sides of
Speaker 1: the fence with this. First of all, don't force yourself
Speaker 1: to watch Emily in Paris.
Speaker 2: I like watching it literally so annoying.
Speaker 1: The show is there for pure enjoyment, and escaping. It's enjoyable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if it's not giving you that, don't force yourself
Speaker 1: to watch it. This is not something that needs to
Speaker 1: be in your film and TV diet of things you're consuming.
Speaker 2: Do you know what?
Speaker 3: I like it too, and just like that, oh right,
Speaker 3: it annoys me like that. I love the over the
Speaker 3: top fashion, I love Mindy, I love Camille, I love
Speaker 3: the Men obviously, but Emily Cooper just gives me Carrie
Speaker 3: in and just like that, it's a bit too over
Speaker 3: the top.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't say that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, the thing about this is that, first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't understand hate watching at all. I don't hate
Speaker 1: watch anything. If people do and that brings you joy,
Speaker 1: then that's fine. But I can't get on board even
Speaker 1: that though. I can't watch something that I find cringe,
Speaker 1: or that i'm watching to hate, or that I'm watching
Speaker 1: because I know I'm gonna hate this, but I want
Speaker 1: to join in the conversation. Obviously, sometimes for work I
Speaker 1: get forced to watch something, but that's worth time, that's seen.
Speaker 2: That's why you don't watch reality TV one.
Speaker 1: Hundred percent why I don't watch reality Emily in Paris
Speaker 1: is my version. I think of people who watch reality
Speaker 1: TV and have that escapism. I can't deal with adult
Speaker 1: woman and it mostly is that screaming and fighting and
Speaker 1: having all these big dramatic fights. I can't deal with that.
Speaker 1: But what I want to it's not I've been good
Speaker 1: or not. I watch the absolute trash, but my trash
Speaker 1: it needs to have this escape as and this like
Speaker 1: fancy wonderment of this girl walking around in these beautiful
Speaker 1: clothes in Paris. And I kind of do hate the
Speaker 1: way people completely right up this show. Look, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to throw down and goautline and be like this
Speaker 1: is prestige TV, this is excellent TV. It's not that.
Speaker 1: But it's a very frothy show with I think, really
Speaker 1: good characters and a way of keeping you drawn into
Speaker 1: this fantastical world that they've created of a Paris that
Speaker 1: most people don't experience but you sometimes do. And I
Speaker 1: think that's actually a lot harder to do than people think.
Speaker 1: And also, can I just tell you're not gonna like this,
Speaker 1: but I have to say it too. The reason you
Speaker 1: hate Emily Cooper is that you have some Emily Cooper
Speaker 1: in you, and she's really angry, not in a bad way.
Speaker 1: I do too. The thing is that she's almost like
Speaker 1: this character insert like she's a bit of a bland character.
Speaker 1: She's a little bit embarrassing, but she's this moment that
Speaker 1: we all have when we're traveling, or we're with people
Speaker 1: who think that are fancy than us, or we're just
Speaker 1: always say the wrong thing when we quite don't mean
Speaker 1: to and find ourselves in situations. And she is that
Speaker 1: kind of choogy, kind of like sometimes the most embarrassing
Speaker 1: sides of.
Speaker 2: Ourselves, that's just all put into one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that a lot of us don't
Speaker 1: want to think that we're that person. We want to
Speaker 1: think we're the cool, incredible Sylvie or the hilarious sort
Speaker 1: of really sharp and always knows the thing to say mindy,
Speaker 1: Like we want to think we're those characters, or even
Speaker 1: like Camille, I mean, blessed that girl. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: Camille that's her name in real life too. Is this
Speaker 1: is her first acting job and they were just, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's just playing herself. I don't think she knows the
Speaker 1: cameras on. She's just walking through the set being like
Speaker 1: this is my real life. I love her for that.
Speaker 1: It's like how no one wants to think that they're
Speaker 1: the carry every time people get angry about something that
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw doush I carry because yeah, I am a
Speaker 1: lot of the time too. It's a reflection of the
Speaker 1: person you are. Absolutely, But I also think everyone's just
Speaker 1: so quick to write off Emily in Paris as being
Speaker 1: this like embarrassing show when it's not. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that you're particularly.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying the show.
Speaker 3: I'm saying her, Like I love Daran Star, I think
Speaker 3: what he's done amazing, I love Paris Escaping.
Speaker 2: Is all that.
Speaker 3: I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I just think
Speaker 3: Emily is a character is annoying. But also is that
Speaker 3: kind of part of why people are so attracted to
Speaker 3: the show. There's a reason we're all still watching it.
Speaker 1: It's meant to be that fish out of water thing,
Speaker 1: Like if she had seamlessly moved into Paris life and
Speaker 1: everyone loved her and she was screaming when she sees
Speaker 1: the Eiffel Tower still like, it wouldn't be that kind
Speaker 1: of storytelling element. But also, I actually think she's a
Speaker 1: very realistic character. I don't think she's an overly interesting character.
Speaker 1: But I hate when people right off this show is
Speaker 1: like it's so silly, I have no idea what's going on,
Speaker 1: or like all these people are interchangeable. I just watch
Speaker 1: her for the clothes, and I'm like, these people are
Speaker 1: not interchangeable, Like, yeah, I don't agree. Sylvie Philippine lroi
Speaker 1: bloo probably didn't say her name right. She would hate
Speaker 1: me and I would love it is such an interesting
Speaker 1: nuance layered character. And I find the fact that people
Speaker 1: are writing the show off as trash when you've got
Speaker 1: a character like that, and you've got an actress like
Speaker 1: that who's giving such an incredible performance and looks so
Speaker 1: sexy and amazing as well as being an incredible actress,
Speaker 1: and she's like I'm in my sixties and she picks
Speaker 1: a lot of her clothes and like, I'm wearing this,
Speaker 1: I'm wearying that, And I just think that's so incredible
Speaker 1: and to write the show off as being stupid when
Speaker 1: you have an actress like that in the show. But
Speaker 1: I think people know from the trailers that there was
Speaker 1: the Alphi Emily Gabrielle love triangle. This season's gone to Gabrielle,
Speaker 1: which is kind of makes me really sad, but maybe
Speaker 1: she just needs to get out of her system. I
Speaker 1: think people are so quick to write off shows like
Speaker 1: this as being dumb, even if sometimes I are a
Speaker 1: little bit dumb, because it's meant for enjoyment for women
Speaker 1: or people who love watching this frothy kind of shows,
Speaker 1: and it's closed and it's fantasy. And if there was
Speaker 1: a show that was not as well done or not
Speaker 1: as engaged in, but there was a woman being murdered
Speaker 1: and raped, we would call that prestige TV, whereas this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, we're so quick to say it's ridiculous
Speaker 1: and there's no point to it, because it's there to
Speaker 1: make us feel safe and happy and not to make
Speaker 1: us feel traumatized. And I just think we need more
Speaker 1: TV shows that make us feel really safe and happy
Speaker 1: and give you joy instead of shows about women being murdered.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm going to say on the matter. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: the data have mark in my diary. It's September twelve,
Speaker 1: which is when part two of season four of Emily
Speaker 1: in Paris is coming to Netflix. So get excited.
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to the spiel today and thanks for
Speaker 3: having me back. We'll see you on Mama mea dot
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Speaker 3: at three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Bye bye bye