1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,264 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from mom and Me out. 5 00:00:26,304 --> 00:00:29,264 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm 6 00:00:29,304 --> 00:00:33,064 Speaker 1: Laura Broadnag and today we have a very special host. 7 00:00:33,664 --> 00:00:36,624 Speaker 3: I'm Charlie Beck and I'm back in the studio. 8 00:00:36,864 --> 00:00:39,464 Speaker 1: Hey Elvey, Welcome back, Charlie. Haven't seen you since you 9 00:00:39,504 --> 00:00:42,784 Speaker 1: were here last time. I'm joking because we obviously sitting 10 00:00:42,824 --> 00:00:44,104 Speaker 1: next to each other in the office. 11 00:00:43,864 --> 00:00:45,544 Speaker 3: And just talk. We talk about all this kind of 12 00:00:45,544 --> 00:00:47,984 Speaker 3: stuff just off the pod, so it's exciting. 13 00:00:47,624 --> 00:00:49,584 Speaker 2: To be back talking about it for you guys. 14 00:00:49,784 --> 00:00:51,944 Speaker 1: Well, we have a jam packed show today because Lily 15 00:00:52,024 --> 00:00:55,544 Speaker 1: Allen has been in the news for traumatizing a small 16 00:00:55,544 --> 00:00:57,824 Speaker 1: helpless dog. At least that's what the headlines are saying. 17 00:00:57,864 --> 00:00:59,984 Speaker 1: There's a lot more to the story than that, and 18 00:01:00,184 --> 00:01:03,504 Speaker 1: also hate watching Emily in Paris. Everyone's been doing it. 19 00:01:04,184 --> 00:01:06,784 Speaker 1: But look, we're gonna have to have a different conversation. 20 00:01:06,824 --> 00:01:08,704 Speaker 1: You and I are gonna have a difficult conversation about 21 00:01:08,744 --> 00:01:22,464 Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, but for so making news today, something 22 00:01:22,544 --> 00:01:24,264 Speaker 1: we have to talk about that so many people are 23 00:01:24,304 --> 00:01:26,904 Speaker 1: buzzing about, and that is the fact that Oasis, a 24 00:01:27,024 --> 00:01:30,304 Speaker 1: very iconic rock duo that has had many hits and 25 00:01:30,344 --> 00:01:34,664 Speaker 1: many iconic songs, might potentially be getting back together for 26 00:01:34,704 --> 00:01:36,624 Speaker 1: a tour. And why this is big news is that 27 00:01:36,664 --> 00:01:39,824 Speaker 1: Oasis is made up of brothers Noel and Liam Gallagher, 28 00:01:40,304 --> 00:01:42,584 Speaker 1: which you wouldn't really think that two brothers would have 29 00:01:42,704 --> 00:01:45,784 Speaker 1: this much of a public beef scanning decades. But I 30 00:01:45,784 --> 00:01:47,664 Speaker 1: guess this goes to show that you can never really 31 00:01:47,704 --> 00:01:50,184 Speaker 1: hate someone like you can hate your own family. At 32 00:01:50,184 --> 00:01:53,864 Speaker 1: some point, because they were a really popular band that 33 00:01:53,984 --> 00:01:56,224 Speaker 1: are very public falling out and it all culminated in 34 00:01:56,264 --> 00:01:58,504 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. They've been having a feud for 35 00:01:58,504 --> 00:02:00,944 Speaker 1: a long time, but it all boiled over when they 36 00:02:00,984 --> 00:02:03,864 Speaker 1: were performing at a festival in Paris at a very 37 00:02:03,864 --> 00:02:06,744 Speaker 1: public fight on stage, and then the next day there 38 00:02:06,744 --> 00:02:09,624 Speaker 1: was a statement on the band's website from Noel Gallagher 39 00:02:09,704 --> 00:02:11,304 Speaker 1: to say he could know no longer work with his 40 00:02:11,344 --> 00:02:14,304 Speaker 1: brother Liam after a series of arguments, and said it 41 00:02:14,344 --> 00:02:16,344 Speaker 1: was with sadness but relief to tell you that he 42 00:02:16,384 --> 00:02:18,824 Speaker 1: had quit Oasis and that he could not go on 43 00:02:18,904 --> 00:02:21,544 Speaker 1: working with Liam for another day longer. They've had a 44 00:02:21,624 --> 00:02:24,344 Speaker 1: very back and forth of words over the last years, 45 00:02:24,544 --> 00:02:26,784 Speaker 1: with people desperate for them to get back together, and 46 00:02:26,824 --> 00:02:29,944 Speaker 1: then this week, on the anniversary of when they had 47 00:02:30,024 --> 00:02:33,064 Speaker 1: dropped one of their albums on August thirtieth and nineteen 48 00:02:33,144 --> 00:02:36,304 Speaker 1: ninety four, their debut album, which became the fastest selling 49 00:02:36,464 --> 00:02:41,384 Speaker 1: album in UK history. They've posted identical videos to their 50 00:02:41,384 --> 00:02:45,024 Speaker 1: social media pages hinting for the first time at a reunion, 51 00:02:45,504 --> 00:02:47,544 Speaker 1: and a lot of different outlets are reporting that they're 52 00:02:47,584 --> 00:02:49,944 Speaker 1: potentially going to pay a series of shows at Wembley 53 00:02:49,984 --> 00:02:52,824 Speaker 1: Stadium and if they play these shows, they will break 54 00:02:52,864 --> 00:02:55,104 Speaker 1: the record that Taylor Swift has just set for playing 55 00:02:55,104 --> 00:02:57,344 Speaker 1: there for the most shows. So they haven't said yes yet, 56 00:02:57,384 --> 00:02:59,864 Speaker 1: but they haven't denied it. They've been dropping clues like 57 00:02:59,944 --> 00:03:02,144 Speaker 1: Liam Gallagher posts on x that he doesn't like being 58 00:03:02,184 --> 00:03:04,504 Speaker 1: called a former band and people like that means you're 59 00:03:04,544 --> 00:03:07,424 Speaker 1: coming back, and a lot of people are very excited. Yeah. 60 00:03:07,464 --> 00:03:10,344 Speaker 3: Well, I learned a lot over the past few hours 61 00:03:10,464 --> 00:03:12,704 Speaker 3: reading about Oasis. So I am a little bit younger, 62 00:03:12,904 --> 00:03:15,344 Speaker 3: and of course I know the songs, but I didn't 63 00:03:15,384 --> 00:03:18,744 Speaker 3: know about this decade spanning feud between the two men. 64 00:03:19,104 --> 00:03:21,504 Speaker 3: So I learned that Oasis was actually started by Liam 65 00:03:22,064 --> 00:03:25,104 Speaker 3: and last minute he asked his brother Noel to join 66 00:03:25,224 --> 00:03:29,024 Speaker 3: the band and Rockie Movely wasn't gonna go. Well. 67 00:03:29,224 --> 00:03:30,264 Speaker 1: It worked for quite a while. 68 00:03:30,384 --> 00:03:31,184 Speaker 2: It worked quite a while. 69 00:03:31,184 --> 00:03:35,104 Speaker 3: Theyd it amazing until it didn't. So they released their 70 00:03:35,424 --> 00:03:37,304 Speaker 3: debut album, Definitely Maybe, which you mentioned. It has been 71 00:03:37,344 --> 00:03:40,304 Speaker 3: thirty years since that came out in August nineteen ninety four, 72 00:03:40,584 --> 00:03:44,424 Speaker 3: and that same year, Liam threw a tambourine at his brother. 73 00:03:44,704 --> 00:03:46,904 Speaker 1: Again, We've all been there. People call it the Kardashians 74 00:03:46,944 --> 00:03:49,344 Speaker 1: of being ridiculous for like beating each other up as adults, 75 00:03:49,384 --> 00:03:51,624 Speaker 1: but it goes to show that it can happen to anyone. 76 00:03:51,424 --> 00:03:53,704 Speaker 3: Laura, I didn't know any because it gets better. The 77 00:03:53,784 --> 00:03:57,704 Speaker 3: following year, in May, Liam brought visitors to the studio, 78 00:03:58,024 --> 00:04:01,504 Speaker 3: disrupting Nol, who responded by reportedly hitting his brother over 79 00:04:01,544 --> 00:04:03,864 Speaker 3: the head with a cricket bat. The cricket bat was 80 00:04:03,944 --> 00:04:04,784 Speaker 3: later sold at auction. 81 00:04:05,144 --> 00:04:07,624 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure for quite a bit of money, I suspect. 82 00:04:07,824 --> 00:04:10,904 Speaker 3: And then the following year, in nineteen ninety six, Liam 83 00:04:10,944 --> 00:04:15,544 Speaker 3: pulled out of their MTV Unplugged show, citing he had laryngitis. 84 00:04:16,024 --> 00:04:18,544 Speaker 3: The band performed without him and Liam, who was supposed 85 00:04:18,584 --> 00:04:21,304 Speaker 3: to be too sick to play, sat in the audience 86 00:04:21,384 --> 00:04:23,784 Speaker 3: drinking his beer and smoking a cigarette. 87 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:26,464 Speaker 1: I mean an iconic move really when you think about it, 88 00:04:26,504 --> 00:04:28,464 Speaker 1: I love it. But this is what fans have been 89 00:04:28,504 --> 00:04:30,344 Speaker 1: asking for for years. This is the first time it 90 00:04:30,384 --> 00:04:32,744 Speaker 1: seems like it is happening. So I guess keep an 91 00:04:32,784 --> 00:04:35,424 Speaker 1: eye on their social media accounts, on their x accounts, 92 00:04:35,424 --> 00:04:37,224 Speaker 1: on the Instagram accounts for the big reveal. 93 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:44,864 Speaker 2: Makes Please Time. 94 00:04:46,304 --> 00:04:47,384 Speaker 1: Makes smar. 95 00:04:49,344 --> 00:04:52,944 Speaker 3: So. UK singer Lily Allen was buried under an Internet 96 00:04:52,984 --> 00:04:56,664 Speaker 3: pylon this week, but she's never finding back. On Thursday, 97 00:04:56,744 --> 00:04:59,144 Speaker 3: Alan was speaking about animal adoption on an episode of 98 00:04:59,184 --> 00:05:02,304 Speaker 3: her miss Me podcast. Alan said she and her family 99 00:05:02,384 --> 00:05:06,744 Speaker 3: were considering adopting a Chiuaha mixed puppy very soon. During 100 00:05:06,744 --> 00:05:09,824 Speaker 3: the conversation, Alan mentioned that she'd previously adopted a puppy 101 00:05:09,824 --> 00:05:13,144 Speaker 3: they named him Mary, during the pandemic Ahaha. She was 102 00:05:13,184 --> 00:05:16,064 Speaker 3: one of those one of those who adopted a puppy. 103 00:05:16,224 --> 00:05:18,224 Speaker 1: I Justine, but some people got a puppy. 104 00:05:18,304 --> 00:05:21,224 Speaker 3: I got one too, had a puppy and Mary was 105 00:05:21,304 --> 00:05:22,664 Speaker 3: rescued from a dog shelter. 106 00:05:23,184 --> 00:05:25,424 Speaker 2: She said, we actually did adopt a dog together. 107 00:05:25,464 --> 00:05:27,584 Speaker 3: Already, but then I ate my passport, so I took 108 00:05:27,624 --> 00:05:30,264 Speaker 3: it back with the home. That's a conversation you have 109 00:05:30,304 --> 00:05:32,704 Speaker 3: over wine, not on a podcast, just saying, but let's 110 00:05:32,744 --> 00:05:33,584 Speaker 3: keep getting into it. 111 00:05:33,904 --> 00:05:35,824 Speaker 2: She said she was a very badly. 112 00:05:35,464 --> 00:05:38,704 Speaker 3: Behaved dog and I really tried very hard with her, 113 00:05:39,024 --> 00:05:41,304 Speaker 3: but it just didn't work out, and the passports was 114 00:05:41,304 --> 00:05:43,544 Speaker 3: the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. 115 00:05:44,144 --> 00:05:44,984 Speaker 2: As you can assume. 116 00:05:45,104 --> 00:05:47,864 Speaker 3: Then the backlash came flooding in. There were death threats, 117 00:05:47,944 --> 00:05:51,504 Speaker 3: there were cruel tauns, there were even comparisons made between 118 00:05:51,544 --> 00:05:52,664 Speaker 3: Alan and Adolf Hitler. 119 00:05:53,424 --> 00:05:54,184 Speaker 2: Adamal writes. 120 00:05:54,264 --> 00:05:58,504 Speaker 3: Charity Peter then published an open letter to Alan. They said, 121 00:05:58,704 --> 00:06:02,304 Speaker 3: dogs are a lifetime commitment, Lily Allen, it's not fair 122 00:06:02,344 --> 00:06:05,464 Speaker 3: to treat them like accessories, to discard when they're inconvenient. 123 00:06:06,544 --> 00:06:09,224 Speaker 3: And then Alan reiterated that Mary was rey home to 124 00:06:09,304 --> 00:06:12,144 Speaker 3: people that she knew within twenty four hours of the 125 00:06:12,184 --> 00:06:14,744 Speaker 3: dog being returned to the shelter. She said, we couldn't 126 00:06:14,784 --> 00:06:17,704 Speaker 3: meet Mary's needs, and her happiness and welfare were central 127 00:06:17,784 --> 00:06:18,984 Speaker 3: to us making that decision. 128 00:06:19,024 --> 00:06:22,544 Speaker 2: As difficult as it was, I've had rescue. 129 00:06:22,184 --> 00:06:24,784 Speaker 3: Dogs pretty consistently throughout my life since I was four 130 00:06:24,864 --> 00:06:25,304 Speaker 3: years old. 131 00:06:25,624 --> 00:06:27,624 Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at asitating a dog's needs. 132 00:06:27,664 --> 00:06:30,224 Speaker 3: I've never been accused of mistreating an animal, and I've 133 00:06:30,224 --> 00:06:33,224 Speaker 3: found this whole week very distressing. So Peter a bit 134 00:06:33,264 --> 00:06:36,784 Speaker 3: it didn't back down. They actually sent a stuffed mechanical 135 00:06:36,824 --> 00:06:39,144 Speaker 3: dog that could want to Alan. 136 00:06:38,944 --> 00:06:41,904 Speaker 2: And her home. I had no idea, Peter. 137 00:06:41,904 --> 00:06:43,784 Speaker 1: Just she probably saw it while she was sifting through 138 00:06:43,824 --> 00:06:46,464 Speaker 1: all the handwritten letters of death threats and violence against 139 00:06:46,464 --> 00:06:49,944 Speaker 1: her kids which she got and found this little dog. Yeah. 140 00:06:50,064 --> 00:06:53,824 Speaker 1: Look a few things happening here. One is that obviously 141 00:06:53,904 --> 00:06:57,824 Speaker 1: joking about not looking after an animal properly is pretty intense. 142 00:06:57,904 --> 00:06:59,584 Speaker 1: And I think also that comes off the back of 143 00:06:59,864 --> 00:07:02,904 Speaker 1: so many people adopting dogs at certain times, like during 144 00:07:03,064 --> 00:07:05,344 Speaker 1: the pandemic when people were at home more Sometimes it 145 00:07:05,384 --> 00:07:07,904 Speaker 1: would get dogs as Christmas presents, or like at times 146 00:07:07,984 --> 00:07:09,584 Speaker 1: during the year when they're home they dumped them before 147 00:07:09,624 --> 00:07:11,904 Speaker 1: they go on holiday. Like that's a really ongoing problem 148 00:07:11,944 --> 00:07:14,384 Speaker 1: in so many countries like the UK and Australia. And 149 00:07:14,424 --> 00:07:17,624 Speaker 1: I think laughing about it with the celebrity might make 150 00:07:17,704 --> 00:07:20,144 Speaker 1: it sound like overly flippant and make other people think 151 00:07:20,144 --> 00:07:21,904 Speaker 1: that it was an okay thing to do. But on 152 00:07:21,944 --> 00:07:24,304 Speaker 1: the other hand, I think like it's also really hard 153 00:07:24,344 --> 00:07:25,704 Speaker 1: because you don't want to be on those people who 154 00:07:25,704 --> 00:07:28,624 Speaker 1: says like, oh, no one can say anything anymore, whereas 155 00:07:28,624 --> 00:07:30,824 Speaker 1: like there are definitely some things you shouldn't say in public. 156 00:07:31,104 --> 00:07:33,584 Speaker 1: But I think like it's becoming to the point now 157 00:07:33,624 --> 00:07:36,064 Speaker 1: where this is why celebrities are so difficult interviews and 158 00:07:36,104 --> 00:07:37,384 Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about anything and no one 159 00:07:37,424 --> 00:07:39,864 Speaker 1: can have a conversation, is that they're so worried that 160 00:07:39,944 --> 00:07:43,224 Speaker 1: every little thing they say is going to get chopped 161 00:07:43,304 --> 00:07:46,384 Speaker 1: up and put into a headline with no context, which 162 00:07:46,504 --> 00:07:47,904 Speaker 1: is what happened to Lily Allen. Yeah. 163 00:07:47,904 --> 00:07:51,104 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, I think it's into thing. I think there's like. 164 00:07:51,104 --> 00:07:53,304 Speaker 3: Two sides of a coin with it, Like as she 165 00:07:53,384 --> 00:07:56,104 Speaker 3: said after Sir Peter Kaye Bowen said you laughing when 166 00:07:56,144 --> 00:07:58,824 Speaker 3: speaking about about any Mary and ruining this por Dood's life, 167 00:07:58,944 --> 00:08:01,144 Speaker 3: and she clapped back and said, people laugh when they 168 00:08:01,144 --> 00:08:02,264 Speaker 3: talk about painful things. 169 00:08:02,544 --> 00:08:03,144 Speaker 2: So I get it. 170 00:08:03,144 --> 00:08:05,624 Speaker 3: But I think she could have thought about what she said, 171 00:08:05,624 --> 00:08:07,864 Speaker 3: probably a little bit more first before. 172 00:08:07,584 --> 00:08:08,064 Speaker 2: She did it. 173 00:08:08,224 --> 00:08:09,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do understand sometimes when you're telling it a 174 00:08:09,944 --> 00:08:12,464 Speaker 1: difficult story, you do laugh. Also, as someone who also 175 00:08:12,584 --> 00:08:15,024 Speaker 1: recently had to get an emergency replaced some passport. It's 176 00:08:15,104 --> 00:08:17,304 Speaker 1: very stressful, So I understand why that would have tipped 177 00:08:17,304 --> 00:08:19,744 Speaker 1: her over the edge. Like obviously in the moment, she 178 00:08:19,784 --> 00:08:22,704 Speaker 1: should have added more information about it, the fact that 179 00:08:22,784 --> 00:08:25,704 Speaker 1: she was re home to people that they knew, and 180 00:08:25,744 --> 00:08:27,344 Speaker 1: like they kind of follow through to make sure that 181 00:08:27,344 --> 00:08:28,744 Speaker 1: she had a good home. They didn't just like leave 182 00:08:28,784 --> 00:08:30,784 Speaker 1: her on the doorstep of the shelter and drive away. 183 00:08:30,984 --> 00:08:33,704 Speaker 1: But you don't have that context. But also, as we 184 00:08:33,704 --> 00:08:36,184 Speaker 1: were chatting about yesterday in our spill meeting we were 185 00:08:36,184 --> 00:08:37,984 Speaker 1: complicit in this too, is that we had sort of 186 00:08:38,024 --> 00:08:40,584 Speaker 1: seen a few of the headlines bubbling around and we're like, oh, 187 00:08:40,584 --> 00:08:42,504 Speaker 1: we won't cover that story today because we're quite busy, 188 00:08:42,584 --> 00:08:44,624 Speaker 1: but because we have other stories we need to cover first. 189 00:08:44,664 --> 00:08:46,144 Speaker 1: But maybe we'll do it tomorrow and we'll do a 190 00:08:46,184 --> 00:08:48,864 Speaker 1: round up of like wild celebrity pet stories like Kim 191 00:08:48,904 --> 00:08:51,944 Speaker 1: Kardashian's pets always going missing when she like decides she 192 00:08:51,944 --> 00:08:54,584 Speaker 1: doesn't like them. Maybe it was Kylie Jennis dogs, which 193 00:08:54,624 --> 00:08:55,424 Speaker 1: one of them fifteen? 194 00:08:55,664 --> 00:08:56,144 Speaker 2: Where are they? 195 00:08:56,464 --> 00:08:58,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all kind of weird things. And then we 196 00:08:58,544 --> 00:09:00,464 Speaker 1: were complicent until in the fact that like we hadn't 197 00:09:00,464 --> 00:09:02,584 Speaker 1: sort of listened to the full interview and seen everything 198 00:09:02,624 --> 00:09:05,624 Speaker 1: she'd said and also seen like what Peter had said, 199 00:09:05,704 --> 00:09:07,504 Speaker 1: and when we looked into it today, you see a 200 00:09:07,504 --> 00:09:10,864 Speaker 1: completely different story. But I think most people are doing that. 201 00:09:10,904 --> 00:09:13,104 Speaker 1: They are seeing as Lily Allen said when she was 202 00:09:13,144 --> 00:09:15,504 Speaker 1: on X and she wrote out the line and she's like, 203 00:09:15,544 --> 00:09:17,704 Speaker 1: this is the line from the podcast that every tabloid 204 00:09:17,704 --> 00:09:20,464 Speaker 1: has pulled out, and this is the actual story. But 205 00:09:20,984 --> 00:09:23,544 Speaker 1: only about twenty percent of people who read the original 206 00:09:23,864 --> 00:09:26,144 Speaker 1: Lily Allen got rid of her dog and laughed about 207 00:09:26,144 --> 00:09:28,984 Speaker 1: its story, which makes her sound like Crola Deville's stepdaughter 208 00:09:29,064 --> 00:09:31,144 Speaker 1: or something like that, Like she was coming across pretty 209 00:09:31,184 --> 00:09:34,424 Speaker 1: intensely bad in the media coverage around this yesterday. Only 210 00:09:34,424 --> 00:09:36,264 Speaker 1: about twenty percent of those people are then going to 211 00:09:36,344 --> 00:09:38,984 Speaker 1: go read her full statement, and so that story just 212 00:09:39,024 --> 00:09:39,824 Speaker 1: doesn't get out there. 213 00:09:40,104 --> 00:09:42,424 Speaker 3: After the break, we have just seen the first taste 214 00:09:42,424 --> 00:09:44,944 Speaker 3: of part two of Emily in Paris season four, and 215 00:09:44,984 --> 00:09:45,664 Speaker 3: we don't. 216 00:09:45,464 --> 00:09:48,224 Speaker 2: Agree Laura and Hi fight it out after the break. 217 00:09:56,024 --> 00:09:58,584 Speaker 1: Well, today I woke up to a very exciting email 218 00:09:58,664 --> 00:10:01,424 Speaker 1: from the Netflix Australia publicity team and it was the 219 00:10:01,464 --> 00:10:06,464 Speaker 1: new trailer for part two of Emily in Paris season four. 220 00:10:06,704 --> 00:10:08,704 Speaker 2: It's Laura Brodnick's Christmas. 221 00:10:08,744 --> 00:10:11,264 Speaker 1: And it usually comes out at Christmas. Obviously we've talked 222 00:10:11,304 --> 00:10:13,304 Speaker 1: about it before. I've moved on with My pain. It's 223 00:10:13,304 --> 00:10:14,704 Speaker 1: coming out at a weird time of year, but we're 224 00:10:14,744 --> 00:10:17,704 Speaker 1: making the best of it. So that's Netflix's new trick 225 00:10:17,824 --> 00:10:20,144 Speaker 1: is to split all of their big shows into two 226 00:10:20,224 --> 00:10:22,184 Speaker 1: different drops. They did it with Bridgerton, they're now doing 227 00:10:22,224 --> 00:10:23,464 Speaker 1: with Emily and Harris so much. 228 00:10:23,504 --> 00:10:26,184 Speaker 2: They're doing it with My Reality they shows. It's so rude. 229 00:10:26,344 --> 00:10:28,784 Speaker 1: Well, in a way, I don't quite mind it, because 230 00:10:28,824 --> 00:10:31,184 Speaker 1: now we're having two exciting hits of Emily and Paris 231 00:10:31,184 --> 00:10:33,784 Speaker 1: coming out. And also we're playing into Netflix's hands here 232 00:10:33,824 --> 00:10:35,584 Speaker 1: because the reason they're doing this is so they get 233 00:10:35,624 --> 00:10:38,544 Speaker 1: two hits of publicity, which is exactly what they got 234 00:10:38,544 --> 00:10:40,184 Speaker 1: from us. Because we talked about the first trailer, now 235 00:10:40,184 --> 00:10:41,984 Speaker 1: we're talking about the second trailer. They're playing us like 236 00:10:42,024 --> 00:10:44,304 Speaker 1: a violin. I have to be okay with it because 237 00:10:44,304 --> 00:10:45,944 Speaker 1: I'm excited Family and Paris coming back. 238 00:10:47,184 --> 00:10:48,064 Speaker 2: It is so gorgeous. 239 00:10:48,104 --> 00:10:50,184 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm in the sound of music any minute. 240 00:10:50,264 --> 00:10:52,064 Speaker 2: Julie Andrews is gonna be running over that. 241 00:10:52,144 --> 00:10:54,264 Speaker 1: Hell that was Austria. This is friends. 242 00:10:54,424 --> 00:10:59,624 Speaker 2: Please don't kill my fantasy. Absolutely, yes, gay shoe. 243 00:11:01,504 --> 00:11:05,584 Speaker 3: If you had someone an American girl Jennevie looking chic. 244 00:11:05,744 --> 00:11:07,584 Speaker 1: Sylvia gave me a bit of a Paris makeover. 245 00:11:08,384 --> 00:11:10,224 Speaker 3: Jenny from the blog of now Genji from that. 246 00:11:11,984 --> 00:11:17,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, don't encourage her. Where are you guys going lunch? 247 00:11:17,544 --> 00:11:23,584 Speaker 2: I will talk you. You're always gonna choose her. She's 248 00:11:23,624 --> 00:11:26,744 Speaker 2: having my baby, I know, but I cannot be the 249 00:11:26,824 --> 00:11:28,744 Speaker 2: person who pulls your away from your family. 250 00:11:30,144 --> 00:11:34,264 Speaker 3: If you're happy, I thought. 251 00:11:33,504 --> 00:11:34,944 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's Genevieve. 252 00:11:35,224 --> 00:11:37,864 Speaker 1: Are we sure we like her? Mate? 253 00:11:39,424 --> 00:11:43,104 Speaker 2: What brings you to Paris? Exploring some business opportunities? GVM 254 00:11:43,184 --> 00:11:45,864 Speaker 2: me is desperate to acquire them. I'd love to get 255 00:11:45,904 --> 00:11:48,544 Speaker 2: a meeting with Arch. Not going to Rome. It's not 256 00:11:48,584 --> 00:11:51,744 Speaker 2: the first time you mix business with pleasure. You're actually 257 00:11:51,864 --> 00:11:52,864 Speaker 2: quite good at it. 258 00:11:53,344 --> 00:11:57,504 Speaker 3: For once, do something spontaneous and reckless and un emily 259 00:11:58,264 --> 00:12:00,584 Speaker 3: just to have an adventure. So this is the same space. 260 00:12:00,584 --> 00:12:02,784 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. I haven't actually watched season four 261 00:12:02,904 --> 00:12:05,224 Speaker 3: just yet. Every week and I go in and say, okay, 262 00:12:05,264 --> 00:12:07,824 Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it, but I'm 263 00:12:07,824 --> 00:12:08,504 Speaker 3: gonna be honest. 264 00:12:08,944 --> 00:12:10,904 Speaker 2: I can't stand Emily, and. 265 00:12:10,824 --> 00:12:12,144 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people agree with me that 266 00:12:12,504 --> 00:12:14,704 Speaker 3: it's very divided. People either love or they either hate 267 00:12:15,304 --> 00:12:17,784 Speaker 3: love hate watching. I'm definitely in that camp, and I've 268 00:12:17,824 --> 00:12:20,064 Speaker 3: seen all the other seasons, but I think because it 269 00:12:20,104 --> 00:12:21,704 Speaker 3: usually comes out of a Christmas I kind of run 270 00:12:21,744 --> 00:12:21,984 Speaker 3: out of. 271 00:12:21,984 --> 00:12:22,584 Speaker 2: Things to watch. 272 00:12:22,984 --> 00:12:26,304 Speaker 3: I'm full from all the Christmas hamm I've eaten, I've 273 00:12:26,384 --> 00:12:28,104 Speaker 3: drunk too much, and I'm just going to zone out 274 00:12:28,104 --> 00:12:30,064 Speaker 3: and watch it. But right now I'm just like, I 275 00:12:30,184 --> 00:12:32,704 Speaker 3: just can't deal with her face. But I did watch 276 00:12:32,704 --> 00:12:35,504 Speaker 3: the trailer today and now I'm like, Okay, I'm ready 277 00:12:35,504 --> 00:12:37,664 Speaker 3: to watch it, but of course still hate watch it. 278 00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:39,064 Speaker 2: But we don't feel the same way. 279 00:12:39,144 --> 00:12:40,344 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get angry at you. I did 280 00:12:40,424 --> 00:12:41,944 Speaker 1: see you recoil just then as you said it, like 281 00:12:41,984 --> 00:12:43,504 Speaker 1: I was going to launch across the table at you. 282 00:12:43,744 --> 00:12:46,384 Speaker 1: I'm not angry, I'm disappointed. We're on different sides of 283 00:12:46,384 --> 00:12:48,664 Speaker 1: the fence with this. First of all, don't force yourself 284 00:12:48,704 --> 00:12:49,744 Speaker 1: to watch Emily in Paris. 285 00:12:49,904 --> 00:12:52,224 Speaker 2: I like watching it literally so annoying. 286 00:12:52,424 --> 00:12:57,024 Speaker 1: The show is there for pure enjoyment, and escaping. It's enjoyable. Yeah, 287 00:12:57,064 --> 00:12:59,024 Speaker 1: So if it's not giving you that, don't force yourself 288 00:12:59,024 --> 00:13:00,744 Speaker 1: to watch it. This is not something that needs to 289 00:13:00,784 --> 00:13:03,984 Speaker 1: be in your film and TV diet of things you're consuming. 290 00:13:04,064 --> 00:13:04,464 Speaker 2: Do you know what? 291 00:13:04,504 --> 00:13:07,544 Speaker 3: I like it too, and just like that, oh right, 292 00:13:07,864 --> 00:13:10,384 Speaker 3: it annoys me like that. I love the over the 293 00:13:10,424 --> 00:13:14,544 Speaker 3: top fashion, I love Mindy, I love Camille, I love 294 00:13:14,584 --> 00:13:20,464 Speaker 3: the Men obviously, but Emily Cooper just gives me Carrie 295 00:13:20,904 --> 00:13:23,424 Speaker 3: in and just like that, it's a bit too over 296 00:13:23,464 --> 00:13:23,864 Speaker 3: the top. 297 00:13:24,144 --> 00:13:25,144 Speaker 2: You wouldn't say that. 298 00:13:25,224 --> 00:13:25,624 Speaker 3: I don't know. 299 00:13:26,264 --> 00:13:28,624 Speaker 1: Yeah. See, the thing about this is that, first of all, 300 00:13:28,624 --> 00:13:31,384 Speaker 1: I don't understand hate watching at all. I don't hate 301 00:13:31,424 --> 00:13:33,944 Speaker 1: watch anything. If people do and that brings you joy, 302 00:13:33,984 --> 00:13:37,944 Speaker 1: then that's fine. But I can't get on board even 303 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,184 Speaker 1: that though. I can't watch something that I find cringe, 304 00:13:40,384 --> 00:13:42,064 Speaker 1: or that i'm watching to hate, or that I'm watching 305 00:13:42,144 --> 00:13:43,504 Speaker 1: because I know I'm gonna hate this, but I want 306 00:13:43,504 --> 00:13:45,544 Speaker 1: to join in the conversation. Obviously, sometimes for work I 307 00:13:45,584 --> 00:13:47,424 Speaker 1: get forced to watch something, but that's worth time, that's seen. 308 00:13:47,544 --> 00:13:49,224 Speaker 2: That's why you don't watch reality TV one. 309 00:13:49,144 --> 00:13:51,544 Speaker 1: Hundred percent why I don't watch reality Emily in Paris 310 00:13:51,584 --> 00:13:54,184 Speaker 1: is my version. I think of people who watch reality 311 00:13:54,184 --> 00:13:56,784 Speaker 1: TV and have that escapism. I can't deal with adult 312 00:13:56,864 --> 00:13:59,944 Speaker 1: woman and it mostly is that screaming and fighting and 313 00:14:00,424 --> 00:14:03,624 Speaker 1: having all these big dramatic fights. I can't deal with that. 314 00:14:03,664 --> 00:14:06,064 Speaker 1: But what I want to it's not I've been good 315 00:14:06,104 --> 00:14:08,904 Speaker 1: or not. I watch the absolute trash, but my trash 316 00:14:08,944 --> 00:14:10,944 Speaker 1: it needs to have this escape as and this like 317 00:14:11,104 --> 00:14:14,544 Speaker 1: fancy wonderment of this girl walking around in these beautiful 318 00:14:14,544 --> 00:14:17,184 Speaker 1: clothes in Paris. And I kind of do hate the 319 00:14:17,224 --> 00:14:19,224 Speaker 1: way people completely right up this show. Look, I'm not 320 00:14:19,264 --> 00:14:21,024 Speaker 1: going to throw down and goautline and be like this 321 00:14:21,064 --> 00:14:24,344 Speaker 1: is prestige TV, this is excellent TV. It's not that. 322 00:14:25,064 --> 00:14:28,904 Speaker 1: But it's a very frothy show with I think, really 323 00:14:28,904 --> 00:14:31,664 Speaker 1: good characters and a way of keeping you drawn into 324 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:34,904 Speaker 1: this fantastical world that they've created of a Paris that 325 00:14:34,944 --> 00:14:38,064 Speaker 1: most people don't experience but you sometimes do. And I 326 00:14:38,104 --> 00:14:39,984 Speaker 1: think that's actually a lot harder to do than people think. 327 00:14:40,024 --> 00:14:41,704 Speaker 1: And also, can I just tell you're not gonna like this, 328 00:14:41,784 --> 00:14:44,184 Speaker 1: but I have to say it too. The reason you 329 00:14:44,304 --> 00:14:47,544 Speaker 1: hate Emily Cooper is that you have some Emily Cooper 330 00:14:47,624 --> 00:14:52,184 Speaker 1: in you, and she's really angry, not in a bad way. 331 00:14:52,544 --> 00:14:55,784 Speaker 1: I do too. The thing is that she's almost like 332 00:14:55,824 --> 00:14:58,664 Speaker 1: this character insert like she's a bit of a bland character. 333 00:14:58,944 --> 00:15:02,144 Speaker 1: She's a little bit embarrassing, but she's this moment that 334 00:15:02,184 --> 00:15:05,184 Speaker 1: we all have when we're traveling, or we're with people 335 00:15:05,224 --> 00:15:07,424 Speaker 1: who think that are fancy than us, or we're just 336 00:15:07,584 --> 00:15:09,784 Speaker 1: always say the wrong thing when we quite don't mean 337 00:15:09,824 --> 00:15:12,704 Speaker 1: to and find ourselves in situations. And she is that 338 00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:16,944 Speaker 1: kind of choogy, kind of like sometimes the most embarrassing 339 00:15:16,984 --> 00:15:17,944 Speaker 1: sides of. 340 00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:19,424 Speaker 2: Ourselves, that's just all put into one. 341 00:15:19,864 --> 00:15:21,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that a lot of us don't 342 00:15:21,904 --> 00:15:23,944 Speaker 1: want to think that we're that person. We want to 343 00:15:23,984 --> 00:15:28,224 Speaker 1: think we're the cool, incredible Sylvie or the hilarious sort 344 00:15:28,264 --> 00:15:30,624 Speaker 1: of really sharp and always knows the thing to say mindy, 345 00:15:30,704 --> 00:15:32,864 Speaker 1: Like we want to think we're those characters, or even 346 00:15:32,944 --> 00:15:35,424 Speaker 1: like Camille, I mean, blessed that girl. I'm pretty sure 347 00:15:35,464 --> 00:15:37,544 Speaker 1: Camille that's her name in real life too. Is this 348 00:15:37,624 --> 00:15:39,624 Speaker 1: is her first acting job and they were just, yeah, 349 00:15:39,624 --> 00:15:41,384 Speaker 1: she's just playing herself. I don't think she knows the 350 00:15:41,464 --> 00:15:43,504 Speaker 1: cameras on. She's just walking through the set being like 351 00:15:43,584 --> 00:15:45,224 Speaker 1: this is my real life. I love her for that. 352 00:15:45,584 --> 00:15:46,864 Speaker 1: It's like how no one wants to think that they're 353 00:15:46,904 --> 00:15:48,904 Speaker 1: the carry every time people get angry about something that 354 00:15:48,904 --> 00:15:51,744 Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw doush I carry because yeah, I am a 355 00:15:51,744 --> 00:15:53,304 Speaker 1: lot of the time too. It's a reflection of the 356 00:15:53,304 --> 00:15:55,624 Speaker 1: person you are. Absolutely, But I also think everyone's just 357 00:15:55,624 --> 00:15:57,824 Speaker 1: so quick to write off Emily in Paris as being 358 00:15:57,824 --> 00:16:01,144 Speaker 1: this like embarrassing show when it's not. I'm not saying 359 00:16:01,144 --> 00:16:02,264 Speaker 1: that you're particularly. 360 00:16:02,024 --> 00:16:03,264 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying the show. 361 00:16:03,304 --> 00:16:06,024 Speaker 3: I'm saying her, Like I love Daran Star, I think 362 00:16:06,024 --> 00:16:08,184 Speaker 3: what he's done amazing, I love Paris Escaping. 363 00:16:08,064 --> 00:16:08,504 Speaker 2: Is all that. 364 00:16:08,584 --> 00:16:11,664 Speaker 3: I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I just think 365 00:16:11,704 --> 00:16:15,144 Speaker 3: Emily is a character is annoying. But also is that 366 00:16:15,224 --> 00:16:17,064 Speaker 3: kind of part of why people are so attracted to 367 00:16:17,144 --> 00:16:19,384 Speaker 3: the show. There's a reason we're all still watching it. 368 00:16:19,384 --> 00:16:21,024 Speaker 1: It's meant to be that fish out of water thing, 369 00:16:21,064 --> 00:16:24,144 Speaker 1: Like if she had seamlessly moved into Paris life and 370 00:16:24,144 --> 00:16:27,224 Speaker 1: everyone loved her and she was screaming when she sees 371 00:16:27,264 --> 00:16:30,464 Speaker 1: the Eiffel Tower still like, it wouldn't be that kind 372 00:16:30,464 --> 00:16:32,944 Speaker 1: of storytelling element. But also, I actually think she's a 373 00:16:33,184 --> 00:16:36,864 Speaker 1: very realistic character. I don't think she's an overly interesting character. 374 00:16:36,904 --> 00:16:38,424 Speaker 1: But I hate when people right off this show is 375 00:16:38,464 --> 00:16:40,904 Speaker 1: like it's so silly, I have no idea what's going on, 376 00:16:41,064 --> 00:16:43,264 Speaker 1: or like all these people are interchangeable. I just watch 377 00:16:43,264 --> 00:16:45,024 Speaker 1: her for the clothes, and I'm like, these people are 378 00:16:45,064 --> 00:16:48,384 Speaker 1: not interchangeable, Like, yeah, I don't agree. Sylvie Philippine lroi 379 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:50,344 Speaker 1: bloo probably didn't say her name right. She would hate 380 00:16:50,344 --> 00:16:52,904 Speaker 1: me and I would love it is such an interesting 381 00:16:53,024 --> 00:16:56,024 Speaker 1: nuance layered character. And I find the fact that people 382 00:16:56,024 --> 00:16:57,824 Speaker 1: are writing the show off as trash when you've got 383 00:16:57,864 --> 00:17:00,064 Speaker 1: a character like that, and you've got an actress like 384 00:17:00,104 --> 00:17:03,784 Speaker 1: that who's giving such an incredible performance and looks so 385 00:17:04,144 --> 00:17:06,824 Speaker 1: sexy and amazing as well as being an incredible actress, 386 00:17:06,864 --> 00:17:08,784 Speaker 1: and she's like I'm in my sixties and she picks 387 00:17:08,824 --> 00:17:10,304 Speaker 1: a lot of her clothes and like, I'm wearing this, 388 00:17:10,384 --> 00:17:13,344 Speaker 1: I'm wearying that, And I just think that's so incredible 389 00:17:13,344 --> 00:17:15,824 Speaker 1: and to write the show off as being stupid when 390 00:17:15,824 --> 00:17:17,784 Speaker 1: you have an actress like that in the show. But 391 00:17:17,864 --> 00:17:19,744 Speaker 1: I think people know from the trailers that there was 392 00:17:19,784 --> 00:17:24,424 Speaker 1: the Alphi Emily Gabrielle love triangle. This season's gone to Gabrielle, 393 00:17:24,424 --> 00:17:27,504 Speaker 1: which is kind of makes me really sad, but maybe 394 00:17:27,504 --> 00:17:29,264 Speaker 1: she just needs to get out of her system. I 395 00:17:29,264 --> 00:17:31,104 Speaker 1: think people are so quick to write off shows like 396 00:17:31,144 --> 00:17:33,744 Speaker 1: this as being dumb, even if sometimes I are a 397 00:17:33,784 --> 00:17:37,344 Speaker 1: little bit dumb, because it's meant for enjoyment for women 398 00:17:37,624 --> 00:17:39,824 Speaker 1: or people who love watching this frothy kind of shows, 399 00:17:39,864 --> 00:17:42,544 Speaker 1: and it's closed and it's fantasy. And if there was 400 00:17:42,544 --> 00:17:44,624 Speaker 1: a show that was not as well done or not 401 00:17:44,664 --> 00:17:46,504 Speaker 1: as engaged in, but there was a woman being murdered 402 00:17:46,544 --> 00:17:49,384 Speaker 1: and raped, we would call that prestige TV, whereas this 403 00:17:49,424 --> 00:17:51,624 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, we're so quick to say it's ridiculous 404 00:17:51,664 --> 00:17:54,344 Speaker 1: and there's no point to it, because it's there to 405 00:17:54,424 --> 00:17:57,464 Speaker 1: make us feel safe and happy and not to make 406 00:17:57,544 --> 00:17:59,544 Speaker 1: us feel traumatized. And I just think we need more 407 00:17:59,584 --> 00:18:03,224 Speaker 1: TV shows that make us feel really safe and happy 408 00:18:03,384 --> 00:18:06,944 Speaker 1: and give you joy instead of shows about women being murdered. 409 00:18:06,984 --> 00:18:09,304 Speaker 1: That's all I'm going to say on the matter. Well, anyway, 410 00:18:09,544 --> 00:18:11,984 Speaker 1: the data have mark in my diary. It's September twelve, 411 00:18:12,104 --> 00:18:14,304 Speaker 1: which is when part two of season four of Emily 412 00:18:14,344 --> 00:18:16,904 Speaker 1: in Paris is coming to Netflix. So get excited. 413 00:18:17,304 --> 00:18:19,544 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to the spiel today and thanks for 414 00:18:19,584 --> 00:18:21,824 Speaker 3: having me back. We'll see you on Mama mea dot 415 00:18:21,824 --> 00:18:24,104 Speaker 3: com dot au and back here in your podcast feed 416 00:18:24,344 --> 00:18:25,584 Speaker 3: at three pm tomorrow. 417 00:18:25,744 --> 00:18:28,024 Speaker 2: Bye bye bye